i think this the wrong idea .Beaters control the game so to think your putting so called weaker players on an important decison is wrong . What this does is hurts team in the long run. On my team some girls get more tired faster than the men and now there to tired to run and your going to forced them to play ? There are to many great girls players in this league to think that you need extra help . Plus now maybe a guy can't be on the team because you have to carry more females than males
At our university (Northern Colorado), most coed intramural sports require an equal number of gender and players or else the team plays shorthanded. In some sports like indoor soccer they go so far as to count goals from girls twice. I don't see a huge issue with the gender rule as long as it doesn't go that far. Plus our starting seeker is female even though it doesn't count for the ratio. That always annoyed me.
What if someone is at an all male or all female school?
I think it should be up the teams to decide who plays, why force genders requirements, whats next race requirements? I think its better to keep it open and letting anyone who wants to play play. Not force a rule about it. I understand the intent but this just seems the complete wrong way to go about it.
I understand the need for equality, but I think they should be allowed however many girls/boys they want on their team. What if they're from a single gender school? Or no one of a certain gender at a specific school has no interest? I think anyone and everyone who wants to play should be allowed to play.
There is a difference between correlation and causation. If a girl play beaters it's not necessarily due to pigeon-holing sexism. Frankly, I'm appalled at this forced equality. I believe in earning your spot on the squad. Yes, diversity is a good thing, but not just for the sake of having it. If a girl is better than a guy, sure, she should be playing however anything else is just wrong. If there is a guy who is better, he shouldn't have to sit based upon his gender. That is discrimination.
It's been said before, but forced equality is not equality. If her issue is that these girls are put in Beater positions, then ask those girls how they landed in them. What if the girls were put in those position because they were best at it? If it is a case of discrimination, then the Quidditch community should come together on a standard for tryouts. Instead of trying out for the team and then getting placed in a spot, how about trying out for specific positions like they do in the book.
I have to agree that equality is something people fight for and deserve however the way this is implemented and announced seems too forced. A Coed sport such as this also needs to understand that, yes, each gender needs to be equally welcomed, however this does not balance anything, say even one team, has NO females in their school/area, that even cares to participate? What then?
I want o play especially seeker I have some agility that i just need to train I am not that fast but I can sprint HARD when I need to for the sake of my team in soccer. I really want to play honestly only I am still in highschool so :(
It really shouldn't matter :S if a girl is good enough to play and wants to then that is enough, but if there aren't enough girls interested to play it shouldn't restrict the rest of the team from playing.... after all quidditch requirements are more diverse than other sports :)
The reason most girls are beaters, at least in my experience, is that they are more interested in playing beater than chaser, not that they are forced to play beater because they are girls.
I am really surprised by the animosity towards this rule that some people have expressed here. Regardless, I fully support this decision. "Affirmative action" is put in place as a way to ensure that people are not neglected because of their gender/race etc. There's a false perception that affirmative action = less skill. NO. It means adding people to a team that wouldn't otherwise have a chance to play because of misconceptions about their skills/experiences.
at 7:05 so they're saying that they're fighting against sexism and the example they give is young boys, that still freak out over "cooties", not wanting to buy a book because It was written by a woman?
It seems to me like most teams only have two or three players of the opposite sex, so why not have and all male league and an all female league. Those teams that have equal amounts of both shouldn't have any problem spitting either. Problem solved if you ask me.
It's not that my team is segregating women because of some preconceived notion that they are inferior, it's that women in my area don't want to play quidditch. We only have three females on my team and have been actively recruiting for over two months.
K folks, I'm going to tell you the same story I tell everyone whenever any discrimination issue is at hand.
Lets say you have a soar throat. You know of 2 doctors in the area. Doc 1 is a soar throat specialist, while doc 2 is not. Which doctor would you go to? Doctor one. Duh.
Now lets say you find out doctor 1 is a female doctor. She is still more qualified, so you should still see her. Makes sense right? But what if doc 1 is a male and doc 2 is female?
@musicguy1064 It would be if you avoided doc 2 because she's female. If you thought the male doctor sounded more competent b/c he's male, then yes, that's sexism. It would be a question as to WHY you went to doc 1.
In either case, this is a false analogy. Why would you pick a male over female Quidditich player if they were both skilled and females were underrepresented on the team? Homogeneity isn't a virtue, and diversity benefits everyone.
this is a co-ed sport, and in all co-ed sports you have to have guys and girls playing. If you don't have enough of either one, get more. For all girl schools or all guy schools the change is irrelevant because you already had to have 2 of another gender.
I really admire the IQA's initiative on this matter- this is definitely an important step for the long term, especially since I know the sport is growing increasingly popular even as we speak. It'll be very interesting to see the development of a decidedly co-ed sport, especially since there are so many other sports where women's leagues have to face unequal treatment (in terms of funding, popular interest, etc, etc).
Ironically, the reason that we wouldn't be able to conform to this rule is that we do not have enough male players on the team. We have 2 male chasers, and the other positions are filled with female players.
The IQA also doesn't exclude transgendered players. The rule is written "three players of a different gender than the other players" on purpose - if a team had three transgendered players the remaining players could be any number of men and women! "Gender" is what the person identifies as. If you were born a male but identify as a female, you're a female for the purposes of the gender ratio. If you identify as neither, that's what we go by.
The IQA doesn't exclude single-gender clauses. There has always been a clause in the rulebook stating that teams from single-gender schools can be allowed to play at the discretion of the tournament director.
@KikiAelita if we didn't mandate equality it wouldn't happen. My bet is that the trend would be increasingly toward seeing all or mostly all male teams.
Another issue with this is sub-ing in and out. With stricter gender rules, it will really be necessary for girls to sub girls and guys to sub guys. When you don't have enough of one or the other the same people have to play regardless of how worn out they get. I love that quidditch is co-ed, but this really is too close to affirmative action for my tastes.
Maybe some teams are a bit more focused, but on our team everyone plays whatever position they are needed in, whether it's their best or not.
I also agree that this could exclude single-gender colleges or colleges where finding a specific gender ratio is difficult. I really haven't noticed a problem with males/females being excluded, at least on my team. They've also been very accepting of my gender identity being different from what I was labeled as at birth-while I appreciate the IQA taking equality seriously, I think this measure, despite its intentions, would serve to exclude as opposed to include players.
@Nerdfighterlife I have to agree. First, as an adviser and referee, I would have to have clarification from the IQA about how to enforce the gender ratio. It seems like it could easily be used to marginalize the gender queer and transgendered community.
Second, my team is so small that we can't afford to bench someone to meet a ratio. We just wouldn't be able to play. Yes, recruitment is an option, but it's not a guaranteed fix.
What about people who don't consider themselves to be belonging to a specific gender/do not view themselves as the gender they were labeled as at birth? Will they be forced to register themselves with whatever gender label they were given? It may seem inclusive to have male/female gender restrictions on teams but it really is discriminatory against transgendered/genderqueer people.
Well, I do like the idea of equality. And I love that the board has taken such thought over an important issue such as this. However, I know as part of Villanova's campus that we have very few females interested in playing on the team, let alone with great ability. This is nothing against them - some of us just aren't great at sports. But such a rule overrides the effort some males (or females, effectively) put forth into joining the team, by giving garunteed spots based on gender, not skill.
Let's assume that a team has a 50/50 gender ratio on its roster. Even if it only puts women as beaters and men everywhere else, it's because those men earned those spots because they're better players. I don't know any captain who consciously assumes women only want and can play beater. Affirmative action does more harm than good; teams won't be at their best.
Now you're inhibiting all-women's colleges or teams that simply couldn't attract a balanced gender roster.
I agree. If you're not allowing a player to play because of gender that's one thing. But if it's simply a matter of the better players, and ones that show up, etc then gender shouldn't be an issue. We're equals, no need to mandate equality.
On our team females dominate the male numbers the majority of the time, and the men are numbered 2 to 3. We usually play with one male keeper, and one chaser with two female chasers and two female beaters. Heck, we only have 2 or 3 males who consistently show up to practice.
If (fe)males want to compete they should be able to play the game reasonably as well as the (wo)men of the team, or vice versa. Also, a gender rule can just as equally discriminate against a team. By forcing the inclusion of of a player of a particular gender, that player may or may not be at the same level as the player he/she is replacing. Forcing teams to play with a player who isn't up to par isn't making things equal, it's hindering that team. [/rant]
i think this the wrong idea .Beaters control the game so to think your putting so called weaker players on an important decison is wrong . What this does is hurts team in the long run. On my team some girls get more tired faster than the men and now there to tired to run and your going to forced them to play ? There are to many great girls players in this league to think that you need extra help . Plus now maybe a guy can't be on the team because you have to carry more females than males
ralphpal 20 hours ago
What am I supposed to do if I want to start an an official team at an all male school?
ShieldTwelve 2 days ago
At our university (Northern Colorado), most coed intramural sports require an equal number of gender and players or else the team plays shorthanded. In some sports like indoor soccer they go so far as to count goals from girls twice. I don't see a huge issue with the gender rule as long as it doesn't go that far. Plus our starting seeker is female even though it doesn't count for the ratio. That always annoyed me.
humansRpepul2 2 weeks ago
A players gender shouldn't be based on gender but instead should be based on athletic ability.
StaticOnUrFrequency 3 weeks ago
What if someone is at an all male or all female school?
I think it should be up the teams to decide who plays, why force genders requirements, whats next race requirements? I think its better to keep it open and letting anyone who wants to play play. Not force a rule about it. I understand the intent but this just seems the complete wrong way to go about it.
LokiIsleFilms 1 month ago 2
I understand the need for equality, but I think they should be allowed however many girls/boys they want on their team. What if they're from a single gender school? Or no one of a certain gender at a specific school has no interest? I think anyone and everyone who wants to play should be allowed to play.
panicandfoblvr 2 months ago
There is a difference between correlation and causation. If a girl play beaters it's not necessarily due to pigeon-holing sexism. Frankly, I'm appalled at this forced equality. I believe in earning your spot on the squad. Yes, diversity is a good thing, but not just for the sake of having it. If a girl is better than a guy, sure, she should be playing however anything else is just wrong. If there is a guy who is better, he shouldn't have to sit based upon his gender. That is discrimination.
tylerdgoss 2 months ago
Quidditch is real?
....
What.
crazywelshkid 3 months ago 3
It's been said before, but forced equality is not equality. If her issue is that these girls are put in Beater positions, then ask those girls how they landed in them. What if the girls were put in those position because they were best at it? If it is a case of discrimination, then the Quidditch community should come together on a standard for tryouts. Instead of trying out for the team and then getting placed in a spot, how about trying out for specific positions like they do in the book.
guyguy1800 3 months ago
I have to agree that equality is something people fight for and deserve however the way this is implemented and announced seems too forced. A Coed sport such as this also needs to understand that, yes, each gender needs to be equally welcomed, however this does not balance anything, say even one team, has NO females in their school/area, that even cares to participate? What then?
SwordMasamune 3 months ago
I want o play especially seeker I have some agility that i just need to train I am not that fast but I can sprint HARD when I need to for the sake of my team in soccer. I really want to play honestly only I am still in highschool so :(
FillyloversHeart124 3 months ago
It really shouldn't matter :S if a girl is good enough to play and wants to then that is enough, but if there aren't enough girls interested to play it shouldn't restrict the rest of the team from playing.... after all quidditch requirements are more diverse than other sports :)
bladepanthera 3 months ago
Two Words: Hollyhead Harpies
ThirtyThousandSheep 3 months ago 7
I commend the gender rules.... as an aside, why are you pink?
CinnamonOrange 3 months ago
Quidditch should always have female and male athletes on teams. Anything else is shameful.
ScottySideBurn 4 months ago
why don't you dress normally?
lispectorando 4 months ago
@lispectorando How is that not normal?
soccerlover103 4 months ago
The reason most girls are beaters, at least in my experience, is that they are more interested in playing beater than chaser, not that they are forced to play beater because they are girls.
leahh617 4 months ago
I am really surprised by the animosity towards this rule that some people have expressed here. Regardless, I fully support this decision. "Affirmative action" is put in place as a way to ensure that people are not neglected because of their gender/race etc. There's a false perception that affirmative action = less skill. NO. It means adding people to a team that wouldn't otherwise have a chance to play because of misconceptions about their skills/experiences.
orpheuscorp 4 months ago
at 7:05 so they're saying that they're fighting against sexism and the example they give is young boys, that still freak out over "cooties", not wanting to buy a book because It was written by a woman?
NEUHOUSER1 4 months ago in playlist More videos from IQAQuidditch
Well done everyone. Well done. Another reason I LOVE quidditch!!!!
lionmml 4 months ago
WHOOP!!!!!!
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It seems to me like most teams only have two or three players of the opposite sex, so why not have and all male league and an all female league. Those teams that have equal amounts of both shouldn't have any problem spitting either. Problem solved if you ask me.
EqualToBacon 4 months ago in playlist Videos from IQAQuidditch
It's not that my team is segregating women because of some preconceived notion that they are inferior, it's that women in my area don't want to play quidditch. We only have three females on my team and have been actively recruiting for over two months.
EqualToBacon 4 months ago in playlist Videos from IQAQuidditch
this. is. FANTASTIC!
fluffyheadedmonster 6 months ago
Quidditch fat head in the back
NROBable 6 months ago
K folks, I'm going to tell you the same story I tell everyone whenever any discrimination issue is at hand.
Lets say you have a soar throat. You know of 2 doctors in the area. Doc 1 is a soar throat specialist, while doc 2 is not. Which doctor would you go to? Doctor one. Duh.
Now lets say you find out doctor 1 is a female doctor. She is still more qualified, so you should still see her. Makes sense right? But what if doc 1 is a male and doc 2 is female?
It shouldn't be sexist to go to doc 1.
musicguy1064 6 months ago
@musicguy1064 It would be if you avoided doc 2 because she's female. If you thought the male doctor sounded more competent b/c he's male, then yes, that's sexism. It would be a question as to WHY you went to doc 1.
In either case, this is a false analogy. Why would you pick a male over female Quidditich player if they were both skilled and females were underrepresented on the team? Homogeneity isn't a virtue, and diversity benefits everyone.
orpheuscorp 4 months ago
this is a co-ed sport, and in all co-ed sports you have to have guys and girls playing. If you don't have enough of either one, get more. For all girl schools or all guy schools the change is irrelevant because you already had to have 2 of another gender.
phillycheese1919 6 months ago
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EqualToBacon 4 months ago in playlist Videos from IQAQuidditch
I really admire the IQA's initiative on this matter- this is definitely an important step for the long term, especially since I know the sport is growing increasingly popular even as we speak. It'll be very interesting to see the development of a decidedly co-ed sport, especially since there are so many other sports where women's leagues have to face unequal treatment (in terms of funding, popular interest, etc, etc).
myroutine 6 months ago
Ironically, the reason that we wouldn't be able to conform to this rule is that we do not have enough male players on the team. We have 2 male chasers, and the other positions are filled with female players.
crabekah 6 months ago
I WANT TO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
legoowlful 6 months ago
The IQA also doesn't exclude transgendered players. The rule is written "three players of a different gender than the other players" on purpose - if a team had three transgendered players the remaining players could be any number of men and women! "Gender" is what the person identifies as. If you were born a male but identify as a female, you're a female for the purposes of the gender ratio. If you identify as neither, that's what we go by.
aliciaradford 6 months ago
The IQA doesn't exclude single-gender clauses. There has always been a clause in the rulebook stating that teams from single-gender schools can be allowed to play at the discretion of the tournament director.
@KikiAelita if we didn't mandate equality it wouldn't happen. My bet is that the trend would be increasingly toward seeing all or mostly all male teams.
aliciaradford 6 months ago
Another issue with this is sub-ing in and out. With stricter gender rules, it will really be necessary for girls to sub girls and guys to sub guys. When you don't have enough of one or the other the same people have to play regardless of how worn out they get. I love that quidditch is co-ed, but this really is too close to affirmative action for my tastes.
Maybe some teams are a bit more focused, but on our team everyone plays whatever position they are needed in, whether it's their best or not.
wangocopperboom 6 months ago 2
I also agree that this could exclude single-gender colleges or colleges where finding a specific gender ratio is difficult. I really haven't noticed a problem with males/females being excluded, at least on my team. They've also been very accepting of my gender identity being different from what I was labeled as at birth-while I appreciate the IQA taking equality seriously, I think this measure, despite its intentions, would serve to exclude as opposed to include players.
Nerdfighterlife 6 months ago 5
@Nerdfighterlife I have to agree. First, as an adviser and referee, I would have to have clarification from the IQA about how to enforce the gender ratio. It seems like it could easily be used to marginalize the gender queer and transgendered community.
Second, my team is so small that we can't afford to bench someone to meet a ratio. We just wouldn't be able to play. Yes, recruitment is an option, but it's not a guaranteed fix.
SarahDavisSings 6 months ago
What about people who don't consider themselves to be belonging to a specific gender/do not view themselves as the gender they were labeled as at birth? Will they be forced to register themselves with whatever gender label they were given? It may seem inclusive to have male/female gender restrictions on teams but it really is discriminatory against transgendered/genderqueer people.
Nerdfighterlife 6 months ago 4
Well, I do like the idea of equality. And I love that the board has taken such thought over an important issue such as this. However, I know as part of Villanova's campus that we have very few females interested in playing on the team, let alone with great ability. This is nothing against them - some of us just aren't great at sports. But such a rule overrides the effort some males (or females, effectively) put forth into joining the team, by giving garunteed spots based on gender, not skill.
AnimeNerd7452 6 months ago 26
I think it's a really good idea and it makes things a lot more fair. Kudos to The Board :)
Cearuilian 6 months ago
Good intention, bad idea.
Let's assume that a team has a 50/50 gender ratio on its roster. Even if it only puts women as beaters and men everywhere else, it's because those men earned those spots because they're better players. I don't know any captain who consciously assumes women only want and can play beater. Affirmative action does more harm than good; teams won't be at their best.
Now you're inhibiting all-women's colleges or teams that simply couldn't attract a balanced gender roster.
ebonicana1 6 months ago 7
@ebonicana1 Very good point about the all female/male colleges.
wangocopperboom 6 months ago
I agree. If you're not allowing a player to play because of gender that's one thing. But if it's simply a matter of the better players, and ones that show up, etc then gender shouldn't be an issue. We're equals, no need to mandate equality.
KikiAelita 6 months ago 7
Forced equality =/= equality.
On our team females dominate the male numbers the majority of the time, and the men are numbered 2 to 3. We usually play with one male keeper, and one chaser with two female chasers and two female beaters. Heck, we only have 2 or 3 males who consistently show up to practice.
mrb692 6 months ago 34
@mrb692
[mildly sexist rant incoming]
If (fe)males want to compete they should be able to play the game reasonably as well as the (wo)men of the team, or vice versa. Also, a gender rule can just as equally discriminate against a team. By forcing the inclusion of of a player of a particular gender, that player may or may not be at the same level as the player he/she is replacing. Forcing teams to play with a player who isn't up to par isn't making things equal, it's hindering that team. [/rant]
mrb692 6 months ago 5