marvin hagler vs willie monroe

[atkinjyio]

would hagler have beat monzon i think not think hagker v duran

[srilankansilkyshark]

A "good mover" such as Hopkins may have beaten Hags, but if this had happened it would have been a close points decision. However, I'm quite confident that Hags would have outpointed the Great Monzon! Hags style would have allowed him to dodge Monzon's left jab (one of Mon's chief weapons) & Hags hand speed was sperior to Monzon. Hags chin was just as good as Monzon's if not better. Hags only had trouble with boxers who moved very well & counterpunched, & Mons wasn't one of these.

[srilankansilkyshark]

Charley Burley, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, & Bernard Hopkins I believe were the five best Middleweights in History, PERIOD!!!

[srilankansilkyshark]

Hagler was one of the best ever! Hags had speed, power, switch hitting ability & the best chin in 160 lb history. But he was only human - Monroe beat Hags when Monroe was in prime (before he got stopped by David Love in 4 rounds). When Monroe beat Hags, Willie had only lost 3 times previously, all on points. Monroe beat Hags coz his style was all wrong for Marvin. Monroe could move very well on his feet & could box. This was a similar style to what Leonard employed many yrs later to beat Hags!

[AcipE98]

WOW, Just look at the way he moves , one of the few that can attack and defend in the middle of the ring without having to hold after every combination. Boy his boxing skills were GREAT!

[Dactuck]

Man, he got hit by a vicious right hand, the 'Spectrum' Sign, and then the canvas. Marvelous, right at the start of greatness.

[Cadillackin]

Hagler didn't just beat his opponents, he beat the SH*T out of 'em!

[JohnRagoon]

@youbummer FYI Not only was Marvin Hagler Black... he had a bald head as well!

[niveks34]

wat about that Asian commentary tho? BuLL sh**#

[VeniceTrojan]

you should clarify that this is the hagler monroe 2 cuz I was trying to find how what haglers flaws were to lose a decision to someone like monroe. leonard is understandable but this guy wasn't on haglers level

[BruceinFalkirk]

@VeniceTrojan

I've read that Hagler was sick in the first fight. Monroe was ahead in the second fight before being stopped and this is the 3rd fight.

It maybe that Monroe's style was awkward for Hagler but he solved it during their 3 fights.

[halleck3]

Hard to imagine anybody beating Hagler. Speed, power, and a granite chin....

[Tfuchure]

Willie Monroe was not white, seriously what are you guys smoking??

[tastethejace]

2nd greatest middleweight of all time, next to Sugar Ray Robinson

[dan32113]

most historian"s rate Harry Greb the best Middleweight ever.

[ballisticbliss]

MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER!

[ironman36]

Hagler was the greatest

[robborab]

suprised boxing fans put zage in same breath as hagler, he dosent even come close to hagler he was a handbagger. hagler was the greatest middleweight i aan remember.

[xcalumt91x]

but wouldnt rematch bhop who in my opinion won, wouldnt rematch kessler either

[xcalumt91x]

hagler said after the match, he was disgusted that people thought lenoard won, he said you cant win a fight by doing slapping flurries, however sugar made it look great lol although i hate his running which cant be compared to alis dancing, hagler asked him for a rematch before the scorecards came up just when they shook hands and leneord said no, so hagler quit boxing he even moved to italy because he wass that pissed off with the fight, calzaghes a joke only rematched a guy he koed in round 4

[xcalumt91x]

Sugar Ray Leonard never wanted a rematch with hagler because hagler got robbed on the first in my opinion same goes for bhop and calzaghe b hop wanted a rematch joe didnt

[Cowardzaghe]

Didn't know about Sugar Ray Leonard not wanting the rematch, I thought Hagler just decided to retire after the fight. Hard to say about the Hagler fight, trouble was that Hagler started the fight very slowly, giving a lot of opening rounds to Leonard, but he was the aggressor for most of the fight. Hopkins clearly beat Calzaghe, even his dad knew it saying he needed a KO which is the same as a miracle for Calslappy. Calzaghe only ever fought bums or old men, and only ever rematched Mario Veit!

[lggriffin]

A couple of things about Hagler that people outside of the New England fight game didn't know. He wasn't 5'91/2" as listed, probably 5'71/2" to 5'8" tops, which would've made it hard for him to move up to lt. HVY, as you suggested earlier. And he was actually 5 years older than his listed age. He beat Leonard, but wasn't a prime Hagler, he was out of his prime. More later...

[lggriffin]

Correction: Hagler was 4 years older than his listed age.

[Cowardzaghe]

Marvin Hagler born 23rd May 1954

[lggriffin]

Yes,that's his listed age. I fought as an amateur in Massachusetts and subsequently trained fighters.All the trainers from MA knew each other, and one of the Lowell,MA, trainers, who was close to the Petronelli's,told me right after the Leonard fight,that Hagler was actually 4 years older than his listed(1954) age,that he was actually almost 37 for that fight. It made sense, I followed his career and I don't believe that he was only 18 YOA(5 days away from his 19th) for his first pro fight.!

[Cowardzaghe]

I can't say I agree with your assumption that Hagler is 4 years older, if he was lying about his age, rumours would be rife on the internet but everybody seems to accept the notion that he was born in 1954.

[lggriffin]

Good point, but Hagler retired 12 yrs ago and there was no internet back then! Who cares about it now?I'm guessing that if there was an internet then, that it would've spread thru boxing cyberspace just like it did thru the New England boxing circles! To me, the Hagler that fought Leonard was nowhere near as sharp as the Hagler that fought opponents prior to Minter, and then a number of foes that followed. He was yrs out of his prime. Still great, but looked more like 36 going on 37!

[lggriffin]

Not that youll be convincedor that you have to be, but I have been around New England boxing since I was a young teenager. I followed Hagler early on. Saw him on a live Boston broadcast against Ray Seales in 1974. Watched him from ringside(2nd row) at the Boston Garden against Mike Colbert, Kevin Finnegan (twice), and Ray Seales(1st rd ko). I met him personally @ the garden during Ali vs. Holmes(Closed Circuit)I am now 50, and I know that Marvin Hagler is more than 5 years older than me!

[Cowardzaghe]

Roberto Duran started his career at 118lbs! Hearns was originally a welterweight! The best natural middleweight names I can see on Hagler's resume were people like Finnegan, Sibson, Attufermo, Obelmeijas, Hamso, and Thomas Mugabi, so hardly world beaters!

Hagler was a great fighter, but it was dissapointing to never see him fight McCallum, move to LHW or even rematch Sugar Ray Leonard it would have added so much more to his legacy!

[lggriffin]

Oh, I get your point then. Guess i just saw the part about Sibson being a glass jawed bum, and then references made about Mwale knocking him out. Just wanted to make the point that Mwale was no bum , he was actually a tough guy whose record indicates that he wasn't afraid to get in with anyone. And I agree with you, that Hagler was a great fighter!

[Cowardzaghe]

I take your point also about Sibson being a youngster etc, but still, to be blown away by Mwale inside a single round puts some question marks about his punch resistance compared to say Finnegan who was only ever stopped on his feet bleeding.

I must admit though, with today's sanctioning bodies and joke mandatory contenders it is likely that Sibson would of been a world champion, probably a long standing one holding the WBO or WBA which has a ranking bias towards European Fighters/Promoters!

[lggriffin]

Guess it doesn't mean as much to me. Finnegan could've been ko'ed, he just never got caught cold, or right.  A 22 yr. old Jack Dempsey got ko'ed in the first against Jim Flynn only 2 yrs. before winning the title himself. Dempsey was said to have an iron jaw, and to be tough as nails. I had 38 (hvywt)amateur bouts. Won a Golden Glove title, and was never ko'ed. Doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. I was always warmed up, kept my chin down, and apparently never got caught just right.

[comedicstuff]

If McCallum really wanted to fight Hagler, he should've moved up to 160 while Hagler was champ and beaten a couple of the top middleweights in order to force demand for the fight. Some Julian Jackson fans say that Hagler never fought him too. I say he should've moved up to Hagler's division instead of staying safely down at 154.

[xcalumt91x]

dan32113 calzaghes workrate ur actin like hes half good, lets get it straight hes a fit fighter whos prime im not really sure when you would say it was was it when he fought eubank at the end of the latters career or kessler who until he fought calzaghe wasnt rated among the top 200 super middleweights against robin reid who never really amounted to anything and some people think he beat joe or was it jones and bernard who were both arguably shadows of themselves,

[Cowardzaghe]

lol!! I will repeat again that TONY SIBSON was a GLASS JAWED JOUNEYMAN BUM fighter, more like a CLUB FIGHTER!

Just ask "legendary" lol names such as Lottie Mwale WHO DESTROYED HIM IN A SINGLE ROUND (ko not tko) before he even fought Hagler, also aask Frank Tate, Don Lee and Dennis Andries!!

They will all tell you that TONY SIBSON WAS A GLASS JAWED BUM!!

[lggriffin]

Lottie Mwale was a LT. HVY that won his first 21 fights in a row scoring 17 ko's.16 of those opponents had winning records,which is incredible because most champions only face fighters w/losing records on the way up!His first loss was to a prime Saad Muhammed!His only other losses were to notables such as;Mustafa Muhammed,Leslie Stewart,Lindell Holmes,Virgel Hill,and Michael Chilambe.All top ranked,world class fighters! Mwale finished his career with a 64.15% ko ratio against winning opposition!

[lggriffin]

He was a tough, hard hitting world class fighter, himself, who caught a cold 20, year old Tony Sibson in the first round! It doesn't make Sibson a "GLASS JAWED BUM", as you say. I'm guessing that his 64.15% ko ratio, against good, solid fighters, is an indication that he could've probably knocked out anyone he hit!!!

[Cowardzaghe]

Granted, I am exaggerating a bit. The reason I said this is because of an argument with (Calzaghe hugger) dan32113 who said that Sibson was better than any of Bernard Hopkins's opponents which is a load of shit, people like Keith Holmes who has never been stopped! He should ask Richie Woodhall or Rob McKracken if they think Sibson is better than Holmes! lol

I simply questioned Hagler's limited opponents who were actually natural middleweights, I rate Finnegan better than Sibson.

[Cowardzaghe]

dan32113 Tony Sibson?? loool!!

These Calzaghe huggers utter such garbage on youtube these days!

[Cowardzaghe]

Comparing a defensive masterclass of Hopkins to people like John (China Chin) Mugabi!! looool!!!

Try telling that to Terry Norris!! lol

[dan32113]

i"m making the point, that a banger like Mugabi couldn"t hold off Marvin, Hopkins wouldn"t he"d be ran out the ring. Theres no way Bernard is as strong as Sibbo & Hagler dealt with him, christ Hopkins couldn"t handle Calzaghe"s workrate, he was exausted late, claiming bogus low blows! what a fraud.

[Cowardzaghe]

What are u talking about??? Bernard Hopkins is STILL fighting at 45 YEARS OLD and Marvin Hagler retired at 32 YEARS OLD!!

Sibson was a GLASS JAWED 5'8 JOURNEYMAN!! You call that STRONG!!! looool!! Hopkins would BULL a little PUSSY like that across the ring like a RAGDOLL just like he did to that LIMP_WRISTED Brittle Boned COWARD Joseph Cowardzaghe!!

lool!! Even a MID-40's version of Bernard Hopkins was too much for the Coward Calzaghe to handle, too scared to fight anybody in their PRIME!

[dan32113]

ha ha Tony Sibson was a journeyman! Hagler rates it his best performance, only two people ever hurt Hagler, according to him, Mugabi, & a left hook from a Leicester fighter called Tony Sibson, some journeyman! lol a little pussy? would you say that to his face! fuck off as you are youtube"s biggest dick. I won"t comment again to a stupid cunt like you! its embarrassing!

[Cowardzaghe]

loool!! Tony Sibson was a GLASS JAWED JOURNEYMAN, Hagler's best wins are against Natural Welters, in fact Roberto Duran started his career at a colossal 118lbs!!

I can't even see one single world class middleweight on Hagler's record. He would of got more respect if he fought McCallum at least he was a natural junior middleweight!

Did you ever see Hagler winning a Light Haeavyweight Title that even Sugar Ray Robinson failed to do?

The history books show that Hopkins DID!

[comedicstuff]

If there were 3 or 4 light heavyweight belts back when Sugar Ray Robinson was fighting, he'd have won a light heavyweight world title too!

[dan32113]

Stanley Ketchell would ko Hagler, he knocked Jack Johnson off his feet, also Harry Greb too good for slap head!

[theredferal]

Hagler would have turned Ketchel into Ketchup.. he would have abused him..

[dan32113]

it does rhyme, but Stanley was a banger! also Harry Greb is regarded by boxing historians as number 1 middle ever! Hagler is a great though! Hopkins not even top 15 middles...

[theredferal]

Hopkins not top 15?? name 15 middleweights right now who should rank above him.. he had 21 title defenses for cryin out loud..

[dan32113]

Tony Zale, Stanley Ketchel, Mickey "toy bulldog" Walker, Harry Greb, Marvin Hagler, Ray Robinson, Dick Tiger. also how would Bernard make 21 defences fighting Joey Giardello, George Benton, Emile Griffith, Rubin Carter. Carmen Basilio, Gene Fullmer. also Bob Fitzsimmons was crushing middleweight puncher. & the great Sam Langford one of the hardest punchers pound 4 pound ever!

[theredferal]

he would have done fine, he's a great fighter.. a couple of those guys coulda beat him, hagler, robinson, roy jones did beat him... but there is no way 15 middles are clear cut better than hopkins

[dan32113]

part of the point i"m making is that none of the middleweights mentioned made 21 defences as the competion was too good. the belt was changing hands alot because of the stiff competion.

[comedicstuff]

Hopkins would've beaten a bunch of these guys too.

[comedicstuff]

You'd have to remove the names of all the white fighters cause Hopkins would never lose to a white boy!

[dan32113]

ps another 3 above Hopkins, Carlos Monzon, Rodrigo Valdez & Nino Benvenuti

[Cowardzaghe]

It's common knowledge that Hopkins is arguably in the class of, if not better than Monzon, Ketchel and Hagler. Thats why he is well placed on the Ring Magazine Top 80 Fighters of the Last 80 Years and likewise ESPN's 50 Greatest Fighters Of All Time.

The Coward Calzaghe is currently placed at 12,000,567th position!! lol

[dan32113]

crap. Hagler would walk through Hopkins, like he did Mugabi. Sibson is better than most of what Hopkins fought & Hagler smashed him. Harry Geb is considered the best Middle by most boxing historians! you Sir are a world class pratt!

[Cowardzaghe]

Hopkins vs Hagler would be a great stylistic matchup, nobody on this earth has ever been able to walk through Hopkins, and Hagler although an excellant switch-hitter does not have anything close to the stylistic defensive arsenal that Hopkins has, so its impossible to say that Hagler would walk through Hopkins, Hopkins's height 6"1 would also prove a massive disadvantage for 5"9 Hagler. This is why most EXPERTS are divided on who is the greater fighter between Hopkins and Hagler.

Mugabi! lol

[theredferal]

Monzon ducked Hagler for years... one of the most chicken champions ever...

[dan32113]

stop talking porky pies, world class amatuer Nino Benvenuti Olympic Gold, & World champ pro Middleweight said Monzon was as strong as a lion, he wasn"t scared of Hagler! You think Hopkins is good, behave Man, stop taking drugs... is it crystal meth.

[dan32113]

no Boxer is chicken. to quote a great saying, "Those willing to die in the ring and those who die a thousand deaths before they even step in a ring." No Boxer is a wannabe there all brave souls, & deserve respect!

[theredferal]

tell that to hector camacho... lmao..

[Cowardzaghe]

Calzaghe's a chicken.

Total coward.

[comedicstuff]

Hopkins would've beaten Valdez & Benvenuti similarly to how he beat Trinidad, Tarver & Pavlik.

And on a good night, Hopkins would put some hot sauce on those ribs like he did De La Hoya.

[NOTAdemocracy]

You mean Willie Monroe and Bennie Briscoe. These were the Haglers first 2 losses

[imotep09]

No, Marvin Hagler decisioned Bennie Briscoe. he was robbed against The worm and also Bobbie watts which he avenged. he also had a draw with Sugar Ray Seals.

[NOTAdemocracy]

You are correct! Apologies. I was relying on my brain's memory which is not a effective retrieval system;-)

[sergelapelle]

Hagler's first 2 losses came over ten rounds against Monroe and Scypion, both of whom he knocked out in the second round in rematches.

[Canamana42]

The second would be Watts, not Sycpion.....but He did get revenge in both.

Oh, btw, he kicked wilfreds arse...lol

[imotep09]

Hagler fought Scypion one time and knocked him out. Look that up, it's absolutely true. scypion came later in Haglers career after he was much more established

[frisbyrb5]

i reckon hagler would take robinson.

[ballisticbliss]

Hagler is a highly skilled figher with a granite jaw. That's a tough combo to beat. The only guy that had a chance to beat him "solidly" by decision would have been Sugar Ray Robinson who was just as skilled , faster and a better puncher

[07091102]

A stunning knockout.

Monroe was a skilled fighter of the time. he made good use of the straight right, the classic weapon against the southpaw. Trained by Eddie Futch and a stablemate of Joe Frazier I believe.

Marvin Hagler a superb fighter, boxer. The best middleweight of the past 30 years. I would rate him above Monzon, who whilst very good was a little more one dimensional, not as exciting to watch and fought a lesser standard of opponent than Hagler did during his championship reign.

[judaschongo]

rate above Monzon? Hagler struggled vs Duran a lightweight! what do you think Monzon would of done to him?

[07091102]

I don't think Hagler struggled v Duran. Duran was a great fighter who put up a good fight+ had already won world titles at 3 different weights. He later became a Champion at 160lbs after Haglers retirement. Carlos Monzon fought many men who were much smaller than him: Benevuti, Napoles+Griffith who were also ageing. I thought Hagler was better to watch + fought better quality of opponents Hearns, Duran, Mugabe. He also demolished some good contenders eg Obel, Scypion,Minter, Sibson. Hamsho etc

[judaschongo]

Hagler had a tendency to cut and swell; just look at the Duran & Hearns fights; he was even cut vs an old Briscoe.

[07091102]

I would have to disagree.

Hagler made 12 defences. Duran was the only defence in which he went the distance. The Hearns fight was a war, Thomas Hearns was one of THE hardest punchers in the history of the sport. He won world titles at every weight by KO from welterweight up to+ including light heavyweight. Do forgive Hagler if he was cut after taking some of those huge punches. The fact that he took those punches + came back to win by KO is testament to his strength (also see Mugabe fight)

[sopos63]

@07091102 couldn't agree more - hags had one helluva thick skull, heavy hands and the stamina of a race horse - dude was one scary scary champ. much respect

[imotep09]

Could not have been better said

[imotep09]

Moonzon struggled against a small and older Emile griffith. But that does not make him a bad fighter. Styles make fights as true boxing fans know.

[Ertz7917]

Which one was this? Marvin Fought him three times? Is This the 2nd or 3rd fight?

[86pimp3]

Yeah the Watts fight was a robbery but the first Monroe fight was a loss for Hagler.

[ThreadStealer]

The loss to Boogaloo Watts was bullshit. I gave Watts three rounds.

[SonnyAMan]

Hagler's loss to Watts in their first meeting was a close fight. It really could have gone either way.

Willie Monroe handled Hagler in their first fight. It was NOT controversial.

[PorkFrog]

"the first one was a famous Philadelphia decision for Monroe that pissed Hagler off."

a) Hagler always fought pissed off

b) I wish someone would put up those decisions Hagler lost, so if I can see if they had the kind of merit the Sugar Ray decision had

[Saxbyd]

not sure Hagler had "balance problems". I think you see clashing, odd angles, and a lot of trailing shots with Hagler because he's a lefty and he was fighting orthodox boxers

[superdaws]

Anyone out there got Hagler v Scypion? Hagler's peak performance in my opinion.

[JPDerro099]

Willie is not white lets get that straight. I work with the man every weekend. He`s not white.

[ItalianQue]

I met Willie the Worm, Bennie Briscoe and Bobby Watts at a Banquet back in the late 80's. The Worm still looked like he could go a few more rounds...and NO...he's not white yall....lol...

[emildon1]

I did'nt see their fights but from what I read Monroe legitimately beat Hagler the first time. Hagler's other loss to Bobby "Boogaloo" Watts n his draw with Sugar Ray Seales were robberies which he would avenge brutally. Hagler may not have had outstanding foot speed but in his prime there was'nt a fighter out there who could beat him which is why Leonard waited until Hagler eroded enough b4 jumping in with him n it was still a disputed win. He also had the good sense not to fight him again!

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 if willie monroe beat him and duran could take him the distance ! i am sure a prime leonard could of beat him !!! hagler had trouble with boxers

[emildon1]

@sweetassugar69

Anyone can be upset given the right circumstances or the oponent proving much more than expected. Hagler was not fed with light oposition when he turned pro. His skills were honed and primed in the slaughterhouse boxing scene which was Philadelphia. He defeated the best that area had 2 offer which also included, muderous sluggers, brawlers, awkward boxers, cuties, lefties, and wait a minute! really really good boxers. That he came out of there with only 2 losses says alot

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 not in leonards as a boxer and yes he did lose to a mover in willie monroe and also in 1983 struggeld because he was forced to become the agressor which is not really haglers style he is more a counterpuncher ! as for light opposition loenard defeated ranzany, price, muniz and middleweight contender marcos geraldo who boxed hagler also and they interviewed him before hagler -leonard and he favoured leonard qoute leonard will win because he has more abilty he is more refined

[emildon1]

Of the fighters you mentioned 2 (Muniz & Ranzany) were past their primes (especially Muniz). Price & Geraldo had china chins although, Geraldo could fight if he got out of the 1st rd. Hagler's toughest opposition actually came before he ever won a title. He virtually cleaned out the division before he got there with no help from the networks or a big money brain trust. He got there thru blood , sweat, and a big pair of cojones in facing and beating everything that was thrown at him!

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 the fighters you actually mentioned were good fighters but nothing special ! geraldo took hagler the disatnce the fight before he beat minter and leonard boxed geraldo a year before hagler ! not one of the boxers before hagler was champion were world champions yes solid fighters but nothing special ! hagelr lost to monroe so whats your excuse for that ! good but not as special as leonard !!!

[emildon1]

You seem 2 be missing the point here. The bottom line is that Hagler's march to the title was populated with a much better caliber of fighters than Leonard's and with both in their respective primes Ray would have been kayoed

(especially over the 15 round route). This is no knock on Ray who despite his reatively short carreer deserves his place in boxing's hall of fame with what he accomplished in that time. Now with all things being relative this is just subjective so, lets agree 2 disagree!

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 no you seem to be missing the point ! leonard was a natural welterweight who was the best of his era and beat the top fighers in his own weight class and when the time was right and he actually grew into a middle weight beat hagler fair and square ! could you really imagine hagler moving up and beating michael spinks lol hagler never beat an all time great till he faced a roberto duran in 1983 who was lighweight and 3 years after he faced a leonard and that was points also !!!!

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 styles make fights and if willie the worm monroe could test hagler and duran take the distance in 1983 when hagler was actaully considered in his prime ! to me this sounds like you have never boxed to really understand how much difference there is to a welterweight and a middleweight in the ring ! lets see if hagler would have fancied facing spinks ! same weight difference here !!!

[FlaviusConstantius]

Blimey sweetums, you're on damn near every video I find, overemoting any time your poster boy's legacy is threatened. Speaks volumes that your evidence for SRL beating Hagler is Duran who Hagler near shut out (despite the weird scoring) and Monroe who he KO'd twice in rematches. Ray would have made the fight in 82 if he thought he could win. He didn't and only did once Hagler was slipping noticeably and coming off 2 brutal wars. Even then he needed a dodgy decision and ran from the rematch!

[sweetassugar69]

@FlaviusConstantius hello flava flav you back again you are making more comebacks than the great sugar man lol you mean the fight after only 1 fight in 5 years to come back and beat the marvellous one ! you mean the fight when sugar exposed haglers vunerabilty to boxers and speed ! you mean the ring rust and weight disadvantge to the champion ! you mean hagler running off to italy and sulking with the decision even though it was a correct decision ! hold on a minute it sounds like you !!!

[FlaviusConstantius]

More like exposing his vulnerability to a 24' ring, popcorn flurries and a Bozo the Clown scorecard. Hagler was also rusty (hadn't fought in over a year, and Leonard did have a couple of tune up fights behind closed doors). But rust can be shaken off. Hagler had age and mileage (almost 2x as many fights as SRL, and many more wars), which can't be. That you have to fluff up Leonard for nicking a hugely disputed split decision over a faded great is damning him with feint praise.

[sweetassugar69]

@FlaviusConstantius excuses excuses thats all you seem to write BTW those popcorn flurries would put you flat on your back lol

[FlaviusConstantius]

@sweetassugar69 Whereas all you do is shill for Leonard, over and over and over. BTW those popcorn flurries couldn't even budge all-time weak chin Terry Norris!

[emildon1]

I concur with Flavius on your persistence in a very flawed point of view ( your own). 4 the record I did box which is irrelevant 2 this discussion but, it seems ur the one who's without a clue here. MMH''s prime was actually pre 1984. By 83 he was begining 2 show wear n tear n still ruled the div. Geraldo gave SRL fits n RD beat him the first time so there goes that. MMH was an average size middlewght who utterly ruled at 160 lbs. SRL did not even think of fighting MMH until he saw him age.

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 1st and foremost you seem like a normal person i can have a discussion with ! 2nd leonard was a welterweight so if you boxed you should know its a totally different weight 3rd you should know what one fight in 5 years will do to you 4th hagler lost to monroe and drew with vito and narrowly beat duran before 1984 ! 4th geraldo was actually asked prior to hagler leonard who would win !! he picked leonard he said he has more finesse more refined a better boxer and said on points

[sweetassugar69]

@emildon1 BTW the geraldo qoute is in the four kings book and also just to add thomas hearns picked leonard also ! he was a middle weight even as a amateur and leonard was a actually a light welter weight ! lets see hagler move up and fight spinks which it the same weight difference as welter and middle

[86pimp3]

He's not white search for him on yahoo.

[fuckuwankers]

White? awesome afro for a white guy........HuH?

[OneRoomSchoolHouse]

Willie the Worm is exposing Hagler's stance and balance problems. This was their third fight, the first one was a famous Philadelphia decision for Monroe that pissed Hagler off. They tried to change Hagler and have him come out orthodox stance after this so he could get a title shot.

[ImpromptuinC]

Hagler was the best fighter ever in his prime (1980-1985). He had everything: punch, chin, boxing skills, intelligence, courage, hand speed and accuracy, patience, everything.

[Bonesteoca]

He wasn't the best FIGHTER in his prime, probably the best middleweight. However, he lacked one thing: footspeed.

[joeygonzo]

PROBABLY the best middleweight in his prime?

Hags' footspeed wasn't that bad. Tell that to Sibson, Mugabi and Roldan. 3 monsters Hags boxed till they were ripe for the kill.

[squeakymonkfish]

Does it matter whether Willie Monroe was white or not? LOL!!

[86pimp3]

Willie Monroe wasn't white he was just really light skinned.

[kolst8406]

who'd have guessed a boxer named willie monroe would be white? and what a knockout. willie resembled zab judah there.

[mowglieboy1]

Come on now, Hagler was not the greatest ever P4P. He was top 15, and arguably the best MW ever, but not the best fighter ever. Greb ranks as the #1 MW, he has to, he has pretty much the greatest resume in the hitory of boxing. Next comes Hagler and Monzon in either order. Robinson was best as a WW, but was still a top 5 MW.

[AntonioSantiago]

I always read it was robbery....I dont know thats what I've read.

[oldonetwo]

Agreed. I've actually got Marvin locked at #3. I got Monzon at 1, Robinson at 2, though arguments can be made for having them switched around. Top 15 p4p all time may even be generous. Great fighter though, for sure, and one of my personal favorites.

[ckobo84]

Hagler lost to this guy you know? And who the heck is Willie Monroe in the annals of history?

[hhhhdmt]

One of the greatest middleweights of all time

[jackieboi2000]

Hagler ranks with Monzon as the greatest middleweight in history and the the top 10 lb 4 lb,but not the lb 4 lb greatest fighter ever

[funkpill]

DAAAYYYUMM!!!

[TheFlyingMan]

thank you so much for this video!

[marvinmonroe1982]

great knockout from the greatest middleweight of all times

[fleetusa]

Agree! With all possible respect to Carlos Monzon & of course, the great Sugar Ray Robinson - Marvelous Marvin Hagler was clearly not only the best middleweight of alltime - but also the greatest lb 4 lb fighter in the history of boxing. You can write that down in your day-books, people. CASE CLOSED!!!

[PhillyPhan69]

CASE OPEN....I'll take Hopkins any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Although I would love to have seen a Hopkins-Hagler match...My two fav's!

[JoeyPencils]

Hopkins is great but he ain't beaten Marvin at his prime...