Who gives a shit if you have a health issue on your property why can't they just leave us alone and let us live the way we want. Now if there was a meth lab are something like that I could see that but when some dude lives out in the Forrest and has a messy yard I really don't understand why this matters.
It's called CRIMINAL TRESPASS for a reason and what he was stating is very true... The cop's was an accessory to the crime with great threat of bodily harm...
Both should lose their jobs and face the CRIMINAL CHARGES !!
@2xtream: Since Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease, after due notice, this may not have been trespassing.
@DavidForthoffer We have the constitution for a reason, a person cant enter wonder around looking for actionable violations.. Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized...
@danbeb: If he had grabbed her and thrown her off, the deputy would have arrested him for battery. Indiana's Castle Law (Indiana Code 35-41-3-2) does not allow the use of force in this situation. Indeed, the owners only recourse in this situation is to press trespassing charges or sue for the tort of trespassing.
The Inspection was legal, His case was thrown out by the judge, forcefully removing on the basis of trespassing, would not have been applicable nor legal in this situation.
This is HORRENDOUS - Is this for real? How can these people have no idea that they are trespassing and breaking the law? This guy should eviscerate them in court.
bottom line if someone is on your property without your permision you have every right to do whats nessacary to get them to leave. NO warrent means NO permission unless the property owner allows it which he did not!!! I think the first step he should have taken should have been a call to the local police, the sheriff doesn't understand the law.
This guy was all confused. He can claim an illegal search as per the 4th amendment ONLY if he gets in trouble for whatever he was doing in his yard. Here if he indeed did something wrong, the guy can move to suppress illegally obtained evidence. Secondly, the guy claimed tresspass, which is a completely different area of law. He can sue in tort for criminal tresspass but only if he sustained any sort of damage or injury. he can't just sue someone for damages, or tresspass, if there no damages.
@MsNohely69 So you're saying tresspassing is only illegal if something is damaged? I disagree. There is a difference between criminal destruction of private property and criminal tresspass.
@iamtheshaner lol. TRESSPASS IS ILLEGAL. you cant SUE IN TORT AND GET M O N E Y unless you sustained some kind of damage from it. sorry it doesnt work that way. im a law student by the way
where did i say exactly that its not illegal? tresspass is a wrong that you are suffering from someone. they have no right to be on your property.. the cop should have kicked her off. however unless the person is scaring you, threatening criminal activity, damaging your property, etc, you cannot sue her in court. the guy said he is gona sue the lady. he suffered no damages. NO CLAIM. he can maybe report the cop for not getting the lady out of there
im all for saying F*ck the police and goverment ..but doesnt she have probable cause .....seeing as the stuff was in plane view to be seen as a hazard of the city ..
@Antdogg566 It was just dirt, but yes and no. You need a warrant approved by a judge, and sense all that it was (from what we could see and what he said) the judge would probably just tell the guy to clean the shit up.
You could have, legally, detained her for tresspassing because you gave a clearly spoken warning twice. The deputy it getting fined for obstruction of justice
And did she say that her permission was based on her "BYLAWS" NO NO NO, just cause her department has its own set of protocalls means nothing to the realy law
Government officals are Above The Law, i learned this the hard way long ago. Nice to know you have read the laws, yet this isn't the America you grew up in. What a shame what it has come to.
I wish the phone hadn't died. That woman is just one of the many that have no respect for the constitution, people rights, or the rule of law. She disgusts me.
Good for this Hoosier for standing up to them. However, I love how the Sheriff, who swore an oath to defend and protect the Constitution allows this to happen. I guess this is what happens when you swear to something you don't even bother to read.
For once, I would like to hear what happened after the recording. Its one thing to record what happens, but what good is it if you still lose in court or if nothing is ever done?
I didnt allow police to search my vehicle, because I did NOTHING wrong...Instead of getting out of his car so I could beat his ass, some little shit called 911 and told them I pulled a gun on him. I had no gun in the car, and was furious because the other guy had almost caused a serious accident. So i denied the search, after an hour or so they gave up. But guess what, if they had gotten to the point where they just did the search I would have said "eh, fuck it" because I had nothing to hide!
If he had gone into the house and come out with a riffle and told her to get off the his property what would happen? If he fired a warning shot in the air for her to leave what would happen? If she was shot for trespassing what would happen? just curious is all.
And from what I was also informed, the ACLU is looking to push this case to the U.S. Supreme court if required. (not that it matters, as Indiana doesnt respect the Constitution or its rulings, which in my opinion makes Indiana a police state.)
Past this, nothing more need Be said, as the ACLU doesnt bother even hearing about it unless they think they got a very strong case, buch less puching on to towards the U.S. supreme court. And so I feel sorry for those living in Indiana.
Which makes it A felony. This being said, Indiana has a long history of violating Constitutional law, and supreme courts rulings, especially the 4th, 5th and 6th. and even in recent state rulings, Indiana has admitted to the supreme court rulings, but denied to honor them stating that it doesn't meet Indiana's policy because it is passe.
As for a citizens arrest, again, a government official without a "warrant for probable cause" is grounds 4 effecting a citizens arrest, and upheld in Indiana. According 2 an Indiana attorney who reviewed the case," Indiana code 35-33-1-4 & 35-43-2: provides he had the right to arrest on several grounds, 1.) being she had no court order to do so, 2.) was previously trespassed, 3.)was not law enforcement utilizing probable cause to stop a crime that was witnessed, 4.)and was disturbing the peace.
@blueside1999: Yes, Indiana Code 35-43-2-2 does contradict Indiana Code 16-20-1-23, since "health inspector" is not included in the list of exceptions. That means that the health inspectors actions (if she did give due notice) is neither inherently legal nor inherently illegal.
Since the land owner did sue and lose, I suspect the courts sided with Indiana Code 16-20-1-23.
And so the other case is being held up on the grounds of 4th amendment violation, and that he cannot be found to have been the cause of the ecoli. (There is no notiation if a buried dog was ever found.)
Anyways, according to Indiana, she was in fact found "guilty of trespass, as suspicion that his yard was a source for ecoli, doesnt meet requirements to curtail the law even though she found a simpathetic peace officer willing to turn a blind eye, in light of already being tresspassed" ( neighbor reported he had buried a dog in his yard, that it was contaminating the watertable, which had been discovered to have traces of ecoli- prior to, and continues to do so with no vector actually found.)
I do not enforce laws for the state of Indiana, nor did I attend law school there. this being said, I think it only proper to look into recent supreme court rulings, as most people in interpreting law often do not take into account case law when gleaning their information from Internet webpages.
the burden of proof is upon the accuser and police can search anything at any time, that does not make it legal in a court of law if you do not consent, and make it known before the search starts, re-stating you do not consent to the search during and after only adds to your case in a court of law and your lawyer can easily get the case dismissed. any evidence obtained during an illegal search gets thrown out of court and barred from use in other charges as it was illegally obtained.
DavidForthoffer and RetSquid are using this page to troll. don't bother responding or acknowledging either one of these pretend officer/lawyers.
they are just trying to program you into believing their story
probable cause, digging and moving dirt around is not probable cause, that is landscaping and there is nothing illegal about it, even if you are installing drain tile.
@Pafoofnik1 when people respond to something i posted over a year ago and i respond back to them citing specific info that contradicts those two peoples case i get a response from DavidForthoffer and RetSquid trying to cite indiana code in violation.
2 seconds of scrolling up and down the list of post or clicking on their name to check out their previous posts, like i just did you and saw the link between you and davidforthoffer, good day troll, and do not respond back, auto delete.
Probable cause gives them acess to anything. State and city workers are free to go where they please, it's part of the social contract you enter into. I feel like there is more to this, but from what I saw here I have a feeling you did something you shouldn't have and they sent this woman out to check it out. At the point you become hostile with them you grant them probable cause. I've seen cops search vehicles after the driver became hostile and it was deemed legal.
@CitrusLizard: State and city workers are NOT free to go where they please. The only "social contract" we have is the law, as interpreted by the courts, and THAT gives us 4th Amendment rights as well as rights against trespassers.
However, the health inspector here did not search anyplace protected by the 4th Amendment, and Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease, after due notice. We don't know if she gave due notice.
@DavidForthoffer The social contract is a wester politcal philosophy that states that we enter into an agreement with the government where we give up certain abilities for the safety and order government is supposed to bring. If he was doing something to cause a health worker to come out, he was violating the idea of the social contract. The fourth ammendment was established to prevent unreasonable searches ans seizure, not keep people off your lawn because you want to.
@CitrusLizard Probable cause needs to be established before entering anyone's property or detaining anyone. You can NOT get probable cause for standing up for your rights.
@CitrusLizard Apparently you have never studied the law. A simple business law class like what I took when I was in college will teach you there is no contract unless it is signed by both parties. Since I have never signed any "so called" "social contract", I am not subject to it nor is anybody else that has not signed such a contract.
@dustjunky2000 Absolutely correct dust! The sheriff is the only elected law enforcement official in the country and is only accountable to the people that elected him. He is supposed to be our line in the sand against an out of control government and in fact can tell any other government agent, federal or local to get the hell out of his county and can arrest that agent if he refuses to obey that sheriff.
@MrExNavy This was cited in the Sheriff Mack vs. The United States when he fought the Clinton administration over the Brady bill and he won. The supreme court ruled if favor of the sheriff stating that "The federal government cannot dictate to or regulate any state." People should read some of the books that Sheriff Mack has published regarding the responsibilities of any sheriff in the country.
There was a reason the deputy did not enter the property, it was clearly posted no tresspassing, which marks the extent of your 4th amendment. You could have placed her under citizen's arrest for tresspassing, and demanded her removal. Any evidence IF he was guilty would be inadmissible.
@blueside1999: The problem with citizens arrest is that if you are mistaken, YOU can go to jail for battery or false confinement.
"No Trespassing" signs do NOT mark the extent of 4th Amendment rights. Here, she did not violate his 4th Amendment rights.
Since Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease after due notice, and we don't know whether she gave due notice, we don't know whether she trespassed.
@DavidForthoffer What is it with morons like you? It doesn't matter if there is a state code or not. If that code violates our US Constitutional rights, it is unconstitutional regardless of whether that is the state code. The wants or desires of the many do not give the many the right to violate the rights of ANY individual and our Constitution expressly forbids this. We live in a republic, not a democracy. Read our Constitution before making stupid statements like this.
@MrExNavy: I certainly agree that it doesn't matter if there is a state code or not, if that code violates our U.S. Constitutional rights.
However, the point in THIS video is that she did NOT violate the man's constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment protects only "persons, houses, papers, and effects". She did not search any of those. She did not violate his Constitutional rights. THEREFORE state law DOES apply.
The guy was contaminating local water with his sewage. He went to prison and the woman and the deputy made sweet, hot, monkey love with flavored lubricants.
Well i dont know about the police but in her case if she can not prove she had probable cause to search his property she is A going to lose her job and B going to be changed with trespassing. If she does probable cause nothing will happen
@CDCraig99 The problem is that under our Constitution, no agent or otherwise can go onto our property looking for probable cause. It HAS to established and documented beforehand and then a search warrant issued prior to them having the authority to enter ANYONE's private property.
Are you still proud to be a American, this Babylonian anti-Christ government sends the illusion of just thinking you are free, so you can send your children over seas, to fight and die, for WHAT? FREEDOM wake up people they (the Babylonians) stole our country. Your rights consist of what they say you have, and your constitution is toilet paper and see if the courts lend a hand. LOL!
When he say's "If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't mind us searching:, is the same as saying "If you're innocent, then you don't mind us breaking the law".
The property owner was in the right. Unless the government offical had a court order allowing her onto the property, the property owner had every right to envoke his 4th Addmendment. Property owner had private property signs posted and he was there telling them not to enter. Unless there was evidence of a crime that could be seen from the roadway, they had no right to be on the man's property. However, if this was a building code violation, then the women was in the right.
@ahmedic1 if there was a building code violation (or any other violation,) she never mentioned it in this video. and he asked her several times why she was there and what she wanted.
There was no violation of the 4th Amendment, the courts have ruled that it is not an unreasonable search or seizure for the police to look around outside your home if you have not taken any procedures to make it private, like a solid fence or wall.
Look at United States v. Dunn, 480 U.S. 294 (1987)
@RetSquid Don't quit your day job. That ruling does not give the police free rein to walk on your property anytime they want. the case involved observed suspected criminal activity. not as simple as a fence
@BlackDeath2626 what is criminal about digging a hole or moving dirt around?
guy could have been installing drain tile or digging a pond, which i have seen many people do, doesn't make it a crime unless known evidence or a body is thrown in.
@ahmedic1: You misunderstand the difference between rights against trespassers and 4th Amendment rights. They are largely separate. You have 4th Amendment rights sleeping overnight in your tent while trespassing on private property. You have rights against trespassers onto your cornfield, even though federal agents can enter, seize contraband there, and use it in court against you.
@DavidForthoffer What is it with morons like you? It doesn't matter if there is a state code or not. If that code violates our US Constitutional rights, it is unconstitutional regardless of whether that is the state code. The wants or desires of the many do not give the many the right to violate the rights of ANY individual and our Constitution expressly forbids this. We live in a republic, not a democracy. Read our Constitution before making stupid statements like this.
this is a tough one, kind of a gray area imo. I worked in insurance for a few years, and inspections can take place of someone's property, especially if there is something shady going on. i know this isn't an insurance issue, but he is obviously doing some weird shit. they didn't ask to enter the home, just the property. yeah it is bullshit that a simple phone call on a neighbor can start something like this, but i wouldn't want to live next to someone who might be burying corpses.
@MASTERNCS Exactly, it makes very little sense why a government official would insist on trespassing, or why a LEO would allow it. The property owner needn't explain anything. Probable cause of a crime or GTFO.
@AtomicBuffalo in this age of digital media where the coin now has 3 sides to every story this guy needs to at least explain WTF happened prior to the visit yet he fails. What's even more sad to see is all the idiots agreeing in his favor with the thumbs up button.
@MASTERNCS Whats sad is all these "Idiots" you speak of paid attention when he clearly said "So what if i'am moving dirt on my property....so obviously he was moving dirt and someone assumed he was burying trash or something....EITHER WAY...This is bullshit that a law officer acts like he does not know what the fuck to do! And this is self explanatory...Does not matter the details...they have no right to be there! That's THE point Why ya gotta call people "Idiots"? ..."Come on"!
@StinkyonmyWinky Well there you go, this is what is wrong with a lot of people today. We "assume" and like yourself you are assuming that the PD and god only knows where the lady is from are out there to waste time and money i "assume". Nations have gone to war on assumptions my friends. Lets try to think with logic and facts and not assumptions.
@SoftSailz If they tried to get into the house then yeah you're right. But what i watched the officer and woman stayed on the driveway. They are perfectly legal to do so. Also if you were to have used your force, in any way, thats 3rd degree assault, and if you caused any injury well then you just bumped that up to 2nd degree assault.
@Adesico87 Apparently you didn't watch the video. The sheriff stayed in the driveway but the woman came onto his property UNCONSTITUTIONALLY to look for evidence when she has no right to do so and the sheriff that swore an oath to the people that elected him, let her get away with violating this man's Constitutional rights. He needs to be fired at the least.
@MrExNavy Did they fail to mention in your class that buisness law is an entirely different subject from political theory? The fact that Americans don't know what the social contract is, explains why this guy thinks the city worker is trespassing. She is not conducting a criminal investigation she is ensuring that the work he is doing in his back yard does not violate the statutes of city. Also the cop was not elected.
@CitrusLizard, I don't know Indiana Law. However, In most States, if a property is registered as a Business with the County and or State, than you may be correct. Health Inspectors DO have the Authority to enter IN or UPON a Property to Inspect for Safety and or Health Violations Without a Warrant. The Authority given to them by The State allows them to Proceed. If that is the case in this Video, Then She did every thing Right, and the guy with the camera was 100% wrong.
@CitrusLizard, Sometimes, people register their property as a "Business" to get tax breaks from The Federal and State Government, and or avoid paying certain Home Owner Property Taxes.
this man is a patriot.
5150pallid 2 hours ago
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He should have shot that CUNT...And have the legal right to get away with it.
truthsayer14217 4 hours ago
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truthsayer14217 4 hours ago
What happened in court!!!!!!!!!!!! omg I've been waiting for almost a year to see the developments on this.
griesrt 5 hours ago
Please let us know what happened in court!!! PLEASE. were dying of curiosity! :)
lardar21 5 hours ago
hahah bam... that is bad ass
88roro11 5 hours ago
shoot the fucking cops for trespassing
205solduc 6 hours ago
she was warned kill the cunt... dead!!!
205solduc 6 hours ago
This is Fck up. Sue her ass off. She have no right to doing this. I hope you won't... If she doing this in my property, she will be in hell......
deghet102 8 hours ago
Who gives a shit if you have a health issue on your property why can't they just leave us alone and let us live the way we want. Now if there was a meth lab are something like that I could see that but when some dude lives out in the Forrest and has a messy yard I really don't understand why this matters.
Hogasofa 10 hours ago
@Hogasofa: It wasn't about a messy yard. It was about having a sewer pipe empty out onto bare ground, spreading disease.
DavidForthoffer 10 hours ago
Did they condemn the property ?
Contrafidelis 11 hours ago
did u sue take them to court what happen cuz that is so wrong
spongemyballz 13 hours ago
Grab her by the hair... and throw her off
wskdigital 15 hours ago
they took.. my stapler..
goaliedan30 17 hours ago
That STUPID PIG should learn the law... She is headed to your house next week !!!
2xtream 18 hours ago
It's called CRIMINAL TRESPASS for a reason and what he was stating is very true... The cop's was an accessory to the crime with great threat of bodily harm...
Both should lose their jobs and face the CRIMINAL CHARGES !!
2xtream 18 hours ago
@2xtream: Since Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease, after due notice, this may not have been trespassing.
DavidForthoffer 10 hours ago
@DavidForthoffer We have the constitution for a reason, a person cant enter wonder around looking for actionable violations.. Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized...
2xtream 7 hours ago
You are legally allowed to forcefully remove her from your property. You should have grabbed her and thrown her off.
danbeb 19 hours ago
@danbeb: If he had grabbed her and thrown her off, the deputy would have arrested him for battery. Indiana's Castle Law (Indiana Code 35-41-3-2) does not allow the use of force in this situation. Indeed, the owners only recourse in this situation is to press trespassing charges or sue for the tort of trespassing.
DavidForthoffer 10 hours ago
"If you have nothing to hide..." LOL
Kennedale01 19 hours ago
The Inspection was legal, His case was thrown out by the judge, forcefully removing on the basis of trespassing, would not have been applicable nor legal in this situation.
MrElguapo1040 21 hours ago
Lol, I think this is by my house in michigan city
SOCOMSPEED 22 hours ago
Corporate Whores, that is what they are. Sue the crap out of them.
MrLibHater 1 day ago
This is HORRENDOUS - Is this for real? How can these people have no idea that they are trespassing and breaking the law? This guy should eviscerate them in court.
StacksOfWax1 1 day ago
bottom line if someone is on your property without your permision you have every right to do whats nessacary to get them to leave. NO warrent means NO permission unless the property owner allows it which he did not!!! I think the first step he should have taken should have been a call to the local police, the sheriff doesn't understand the law.
TomCat686 1 day ago
This guy was all confused. He can claim an illegal search as per the 4th amendment ONLY if he gets in trouble for whatever he was doing in his yard. Here if he indeed did something wrong, the guy can move to suppress illegally obtained evidence. Secondly, the guy claimed tresspass, which is a completely different area of law. He can sue in tort for criminal tresspass but only if he sustained any sort of damage or injury. he can't just sue someone for damages, or tresspass, if there no damages.
MsNohely69 1 day ago
@MsNohely69 So you're saying tresspassing is only illegal if something is damaged? I disagree. There is a difference between criminal destruction of private property and criminal tresspass.
iamtheshaner 1 day ago
@iamtheshaner lol. TRESSPASS IS ILLEGAL. you cant SUE IN TORT AND GET M O N E Y unless you sustained some kind of damage from it. sorry it doesnt work that way. im a law student by the way
MsNohely69 1 day ago
where did i say exactly that its not illegal? tresspass is a wrong that you are suffering from someone. they have no right to be on your property.. the cop should have kicked her off. however unless the person is scaring you, threatening criminal activity, damaging your property, etc, you cannot sue her in court. the guy said he is gona sue the lady. he suffered no damages. NO CLAIM. he can maybe report the cop for not getting the lady out of there
MsNohely69 1 day ago
What a stupid bitch, I would have physically removed her from my property.
ihaterabbits696 1 day ago 5
Buy a gun with that court money! >:D
StraightUpGamsta 1 day ago
im all for saying F*ck the police and goverment ..but doesnt she have probable cause .....seeing as the stuff was in plane view to be seen as a hazard of the city ..
Antdogg566 2 days ago
@Antdogg566 It was just dirt, but yes and no. You need a warrant approved by a judge, and sense all that it was (from what we could see and what he said) the judge would probably just tell the guy to clean the shit up.
MrFerndel 1 day ago
Hahaha the cops face when he brings up the warrant if priceless.
MrFerndel 2 days ago
@MrFerndel is*
MrFerndel 2 days ago
what happend in court?
brandon2011dre 2 days ago 11
so what happen in court?
brandon2011dre 2 days ago
make a citzens arrest
Tb2x 2 days ago
you should build a big ass fuckin fence.. keep those fuckers out
Tb2x 2 days ago
you should've introduced her to your puppies....:o)
BobbyO11717 2 days ago
Hes a walking lawbook rofl
JakeManeSoFly 2 days ago
this guy is the shit haha
JakeManeSoFly 2 days ago
lol, fail pig. he knows it too
gottaletitburn 2 days ago
is somebody growing weed...
azansherif93 2 days ago
wow! sooo how much money did you get lol
Bootzkck 2 days ago
did u get those motherfuckers or not?
rruggs6592 2 days ago
i love that man
famousbasterd 2 days ago
You could have, legally, detained her for tresspassing because you gave a clearly spoken warning twice. The deputy it getting fined for obstruction of justice
SuperMitchbro 2 days ago
And did she say that her permission was based on her "BYLAWS" NO NO NO, just cause her department has its own set of protocalls means nothing to the realy law
signal44 2 days ago
Government officals are Above The Law, i learned this the hard way long ago. Nice to know you have read the laws, yet this isn't the America you grew up in. What a shame what it has come to.
KRU78 2 days ago
What was the outcome? Sheriff clearly ignorant of the law.
kristosvt 2 days ago
Lol this case got thrown out in court.
RiseToGrace19 2 days ago
I wish the phone hadn't died. That woman is just one of the many that have no respect for the constitution, people rights, or the rule of law. She disgusts me.
billybobcarrierobin 2 days ago
In Texas you could have shot her dead then sued her agency
vigorousAtheist 3 days ago 17
lol you would shoot her in front of a cop lol id think thats the smartest of things to do
starcraft247365 2 days ago
@vigorousAtheist that is the law in america
205solduc 6 hours ago
did the courts throw this out?
MrBlacksight 3 days ago
Pepper spray that bitch
camdencomputertech 3 days ago
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Shoot her.
Gummysnake1976 3 days ago
Good for this Hoosier for standing up to them. However, I love how the Sheriff, who swore an oath to defend and protect the Constitution allows this to happen. I guess this is what happens when you swear to something you don't even bother to read.
WKUHilltopper 3 days ago
LOVE WHEN COPS SAY "IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE" lol
DYKEPALS 3 days ago
I would just call the police and a lawyer! simple. If the cop present is not doing anything, then call the real police! simples!
ellisd82 3 days ago
sooo what happened then?
MrjesusloverNot 3 days ago
@MrjesusloverNot I too would like to know the outcome.
ellisd82 3 days ago
FUCK THIS COUNTRY
SlaveMaster62 3 days ago
Wow. I understand you want to exercise your rights and all but... just seems a little childish.
tycer18 3 days ago
@DavidForthoffer Thanks for the comment, that makes sense.
PeterPutz82 3 days ago
For once, I would like to hear what happened after the recording. Its one thing to record what happens, but what good is it if you still lose in court or if nothing is ever done?
metaljacket1983123 3 days ago
I didnt allow police to search my vehicle, because I did NOTHING wrong...Instead of getting out of his car so I could beat his ass, some little shit called 911 and told them I pulled a gun on him. I had no gun in the car, and was furious because the other guy had almost caused a serious accident. So i denied the search, after an hour or so they gave up. But guess what, if they had gotten to the point where they just did the search I would have said "eh, fuck it" because I had nothing to hide!
Punisher7121 3 days ago
@Punisher7121 So you didn't allow them to search for an hour, but if they "tried" you would've let them? That makes no fucking sense.
TheElvenDremor 2 days ago
If he had gone into the house and come out with a riffle and told her to get off the his property what would happen? If he fired a warning shot in the air for her to leave what would happen? If she was shot for trespassing what would happen? just curious is all.
OOKH1 3 days ago
@OOKH1: Indiana's Castle Law, Indiana Code 35-41-3-2, does not allow use of deadly force in this situation.
DavidForthoffer 3 days ago
Well, what happened? the outcome?
ginaven1 3 days ago
@blueside1999 "from what you were informed?" what does that mean? can you cite a source for anything you've posted?
chieftp 3 days ago
And from what I was also informed, the ACLU is looking to push this case to the U.S. Supreme court if required. (not that it matters, as Indiana doesnt respect the Constitution or its rulings, which in my opinion makes Indiana a police state.)
Past this, nothing more need Be said, as the ACLU doesnt bother even hearing about it unless they think they got a very strong case, buch less puching on to towards the U.S. supreme court. And so I feel sorry for those living in Indiana.
blueside1999 3 days ago
Which makes it A felony. This being said, Indiana has a long history of violating Constitutional law, and supreme courts rulings, especially the 4th, 5th and 6th. and even in recent state rulings, Indiana has admitted to the supreme court rulings, but denied to honor them stating that it doesn't meet Indiana's policy because it is passe.
blueside1999 3 days ago
As for a citizens arrest, again, a government official without a "warrant for probable cause" is grounds 4 effecting a citizens arrest, and upheld in Indiana. According 2 an Indiana attorney who reviewed the case," Indiana code 35-33-1-4 & 35-43-2: provides he had the right to arrest on several grounds, 1.) being she had no court order to do so, 2.) was previously trespassed, 3.)was not law enforcement utilizing probable cause to stop a crime that was witnessed, 4.)and was disturbing the peace.
blueside1999 3 days ago
@blueside1999: Yes, Indiana Code 35-43-2-2 does contradict Indiana Code 16-20-1-23, since "health inspector" is not included in the list of exceptions. That means that the health inspectors actions (if she did give due notice) is neither inherently legal nor inherently illegal.
Since the land owner did sue and lose, I suspect the courts sided with Indiana Code 16-20-1-23.
DavidForthoffer 3 days ago
The deputy has been administratively punished, and may face future criminal charges.
blueside1999 3 days ago
And so the other case is being held up on the grounds of 4th amendment violation, and that he cannot be found to have been the cause of the ecoli. (There is no notiation if a buried dog was ever found.)
blueside1999 3 days ago
Anyways, according to Indiana, she was in fact found "guilty of trespass, as suspicion that his yard was a source for ecoli, doesnt meet requirements to curtail the law even though she found a simpathetic peace officer willing to turn a blind eye, in light of already being tresspassed" ( neighbor reported he had buried a dog in his yard, that it was contaminating the watertable, which had been discovered to have traces of ecoli- prior to, and continues to do so with no vector actually found.)
blueside1999 3 days ago
@DavidForthoffer,
I do not enforce laws for the state of Indiana, nor did I attend law school there. this being said, I think it only proper to look into recent supreme court rulings, as most people in interpreting law often do not take into account case law when gleaning their information from Internet webpages.
blueside1999 3 days ago
Way to stand up for whats right
XMadXstudios 3 days ago
I HAD THIS HAPPEN TO ME BY STARK COUNTRY I WOULD HAD WENT TO THE HOUSE AND SHOT HER FOR TRESPASS THEN CALMED 2nd ADDMENDMENT RIGHT
conquor82 4 days ago
yoo he go hard
shaeyster 4 days ago
he should be in fear of his life. there is an armed thug helping in a criminal trespass
stonedimaculate1983 4 days ago 17
i hope that deputy gets hes ass charged
stonedimaculate1983 4 days ago
search flex your rights- probable cause on you tube.
ShadowPBPBC 4 days ago
the burden of proof is upon the accuser and police can search anything at any time, that does not make it legal in a court of law if you do not consent, and make it known before the search starts, re-stating you do not consent to the search during and after only adds to your case in a court of law and your lawyer can easily get the case dismissed. any evidence obtained during an illegal search gets thrown out of court and barred from use in other charges as it was illegally obtained.
ShadowPBPBC 4 days ago
DavidForthoffer and RetSquid are using this page to troll. don't bother responding or acknowledging either one of these pretend officer/lawyers.
they are just trying to program you into believing their story
probable cause, digging and moving dirt around is not probable cause, that is landscaping and there is nothing illegal about it, even if you are installing drain tile.
ShadowPBPBC 4 days ago
@ShadowPBPBC: Are you an expert at what constitutes a troll?
Or do you just disagree with what these two have to say, but can't come up with a better defense than to attack them personally?
Pafoofnik1 3 days ago
@Pafoofnik1 when people respond to something i posted over a year ago and i respond back to them citing specific info that contradicts those two peoples case i get a response from DavidForthoffer and RetSquid trying to cite indiana code in violation.
2 seconds of scrolling up and down the list of post or clicking on their name to check out their previous posts, like i just did you and saw the link between you and davidforthoffer, good day troll, and do not respond back, auto delete.
ShadowPBPBC 1 day ago
@ShadowPBPBC: Whatever.
It was just a question. I had no idea the answer would elude you so.
Pafoofnik1 1 day ago
IT IS TRUE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A WARANT
scor9977 4 days ago
Yeah, so what the fuck happened?
MotoAtheist 4 days ago
So what happened? Seriously, what's the conclussion.. it intrigues me.
Dyils 4 days ago
Probable cause gives them acess to anything. State and city workers are free to go where they please, it's part of the social contract you enter into. I feel like there is more to this, but from what I saw here I have a feeling you did something you shouldn't have and they sent this woman out to check it out. At the point you become hostile with them you grant them probable cause. I've seen cops search vehicles after the driver became hostile and it was deemed legal.
CitrusLizard 4 days ago
@CitrusLizard: State and city workers are NOT free to go where they please. The only "social contract" we have is the law, as interpreted by the courts, and THAT gives us 4th Amendment rights as well as rights against trespassers.
However, the health inspector here did not search anyplace protected by the 4th Amendment, and Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease, after due notice. We don't know if she gave due notice.
DavidForthoffer 4 days ago
@DavidForthoffer The social contract is a wester politcal philosophy that states that we enter into an agreement with the government where we give up certain abilities for the safety and order government is supposed to bring. If he was doing something to cause a health worker to come out, he was violating the idea of the social contract. The fourth ammendment was established to prevent unreasonable searches ans seizure, not keep people off your lawn because you want to.
CitrusLizard 4 days ago
@CitrusLizard: Thanks for clarifying that the "social contract" you were talking about does not have the force of law.
DavidForthoffer 3 days ago
@CitrusLizard Probable cause needs to be established before entering anyone's property or detaining anyone. You can NOT get probable cause for standing up for your rights.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
@CitrusLizard Apparently you have never studied the law. A simple business law class like what I took when I was in college will teach you there is no contract unless it is signed by both parties. Since I have never signed any "so called" "social contract", I am not subject to it nor is anybody else that has not signed such a contract.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
Does anyone know the outcome of this??
kirgeez 4 days ago
Homeowner is right. Deputy should be fired then tarred and feathered for not upholding his sworn oath to protect peoples' constitutional rights.
dustjunky2000 4 days ago
@dustjunky2000 Absolutely correct dust! The sheriff is the only elected law enforcement official in the country and is only accountable to the people that elected him. He is supposed to be our line in the sand against an out of control government and in fact can tell any other government agent, federal or local to get the hell out of his county and can arrest that agent if he refuses to obey that sheriff.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
@MrExNavy This was cited in the Sheriff Mack vs. The United States when he fought the Clinton administration over the Brady bill and he won. The supreme court ruled if favor of the sheriff stating that "The federal government cannot dictate to or regulate any state." People should read some of the books that Sheriff Mack has published regarding the responsibilities of any sheriff in the country.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
There was a reason the deputy did not enter the property, it was clearly posted no tresspassing, which marks the extent of your 4th amendment. You could have placed her under citizen's arrest for tresspassing, and demanded her removal. Any evidence IF he was guilty would be inadmissible.
blueside1999 4 days ago
@blueside1999: The problem with citizens arrest is that if you are mistaken, YOU can go to jail for battery or false confinement.
"No Trespassing" signs do NOT mark the extent of 4th Amendment rights. Here, she did not violate his 4th Amendment rights.
Since Indiana Code 16-20-1-23 allows health inspectors to enter private property to investigate disease after due notice, and we don't know whether she gave due notice, we don't know whether she trespassed.
DavidForthoffer 4 days ago
@DavidForthoffer What is it with morons like you? It doesn't matter if there is a state code or not. If that code violates our US Constitutional rights, it is unconstitutional regardless of whether that is the state code. The wants or desires of the many do not give the many the right to violate the rights of ANY individual and our Constitution expressly forbids this. We live in a republic, not a democracy. Read our Constitution before making stupid statements like this.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
@MrExNavy: I certainly agree that it doesn't matter if there is a state code or not, if that code violates our U.S. Constitutional rights.
However, the point in THIS video is that she did NOT violate the man's constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment protects only "persons, houses, papers, and effects". She did not search any of those. She did not violate his Constitutional rights. THEREFORE state law DOES apply.
DavidForthoffer 2 days ago
The guy was contaminating local water with his sewage. He went to prison and the woman and the deputy made sweet, hot, monkey love with flavored lubricants.
castletriglav 4 days ago
WHAT HAPPENED??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
aformonzo 4 days ago
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gotmituns 4 days ago
You could have shot her! The peace maker always seems to work everything out! I am serious!!! Get a 12 gauge and some bean bags = problem solved!
Now what would the cops do? Hmmm well I really don't know... But I would have given everyone some bean bags!
blowupuate13 4 days ago
LAND OF THE FREE , MY ASS !
ronmac97 4 days ago
OK SO IF YOU WAS IN YOUR HOUSE AND TOLD SOMEONE NOT TO COME ON YOUR LAND , DO THAT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SHOT A WARNING SHOT IN THE AIR ?
ronmac97 4 days ago
Well i dont know about the police but in her case if she can not prove she had probable cause to search his property she is A going to lose her job and B going to be changed with trespassing. If she does probable cause nothing will happen
CDCraig99 4 days ago
@CDCraig99 The problem is that under our Constitution, no agent or otherwise can go onto our property looking for probable cause. It HAS to established and documented beforehand and then a search warrant issued prior to them having the authority to enter ANYONE's private property.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
Are you still proud to be a American, this Babylonian anti-Christ government sends the illusion of just thinking you are free, so you can send your children over seas, to fight and die, for WHAT? FREEDOM wake up people they (the Babylonians) stole our country. Your rights consist of what they say you have, and your constitution is toilet paper and see if the courts lend a hand. LOL!
aem1020able 4 days ago
HE NEED A BIG ASS DOG THAT WOULD BIT HER ASS THEN SHE WOULD THINK TWICE!!!
senyahel 4 days ago
@senyahel she's a government employee. I'm not sure if she even thought ONCE! LOL
chieftp 4 days ago
When he say's "If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't mind us searching:, is the same as saying "If you're innocent, then you don't mind us breaking the law".
Krankster666 4 days ago
Kill 'em. Sort it out later.
dragonfly
TheGalaxydiner 5 days ago
I love this, "if you have nothing to hide, then you should let me search your property". Seriously, is he looking for jews under his floorboards?
leokov 5 days ago
Did anything happen with this? People are stupid to think this is okay for the government to do to people.
ExitRomeo 5 days ago
What kind of gov't official identification card only puts a first name and a last initial? This sounds awfully fishy on her behalf.
1987bamf 5 days ago
The property owner was in the right. Unless the government offical had a court order allowing her onto the property, the property owner had every right to envoke his 4th Addmendment. Property owner had private property signs posted and he was there telling them not to enter. Unless there was evidence of a crime that could be seen from the roadway, they had no right to be on the man's property. However, if this was a building code violation, then the women was in the right.
ahmedic1 5 days ago 8
@ahmedic1 if there was a building code violation (or any other violation,) she never mentioned it in this video. and he asked her several times why she was there and what she wanted.
chieftp 5 days ago
@ahmedic1
There was no violation of the 4th Amendment, the courts have ruled that it is not an unreasonable search or seizure for the police to look around outside your home if you have not taken any procedures to make it private, like a solid fence or wall.
Look at United States v. Dunn, 480 U.S. 294 (1987)
RetSquid 5 days ago
@RetSquid .....or a "no trespassing" sign, or being there in person telling them not to enter your property, or....
chieftp 4 days ago
@chieftp
She was there investigating the health hazard he posed. He was dumping raw sewage that was going into the locla water supply.
RetSquid 4 days ago
@RetSquid she never mentioned any health hazard or raw sewage dumping. cite a source for your information.
chieftp 4 days ago
@chieftp
It was from a source I no longer have at my fingertips, if you can Google his name you can find the report on it. BTW, she is the Health Inspector.
RetSquid 4 days ago
@RetSquid Don't quit your day job. That ruling does not give the police free rein to walk on your property anytime they want. the case involved observed suspected criminal activity. not as simple as a fence
BlackDeath2626 4 days ago
@BlackDeath2626 what is criminal about digging a hole or moving dirt around?
guy could have been installing drain tile or digging a pond, which i have seen many people do, doesn't make it a crime unless known evidence or a body is thrown in.
ShadowPBPBC 4 days ago
@ShadowPBPBC
He was digging a trench to route the raw sewage he was dumping...
RetSquid 4 days ago
@ShadowPBPBC Nothing at all.......Doubt she had any legal right to simply walk onto someone's property
BlackDeath2626 4 days ago
@BlackDeath262
I don't HAVE a 'day job', I'm retired. BTW, it does let the police on your property, as long as they don't enter the curtilage.
RetSquid 4 days ago
@RetSquid Right.. you said without a fence they can come on the property. That is not correct
BlackDeath2626 4 days ago
@ahmedic1: You misunderstand the difference between rights against trespassers and 4th Amendment rights. They are largely separate. You have 4th Amendment rights sleeping overnight in your tent while trespassing on private property. You have rights against trespassers onto your cornfield, even though federal agents can enter, seize contraband there, and use it in court against you.
This video shows no evidence of any crime.
DavidForthoffer 4 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@DavidForthoffer What is it with morons like you? It doesn't matter if there is a state code or not. If that code violates our US Constitutional rights, it is unconstitutional regardless of whether that is the state code. The wants or desires of the many do not give the many the right to violate the rights of ANY individual and our Constitution expressly forbids this. We live in a republic, not a democracy. Read our Constitution before making stupid statements like this.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
@ahmedic1 Actually she wouldn't have the right to do it then either. She was an agent for health services, not a building code inspector.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
Yes, What happened? What was the final outcome?
ahmedic1 5 days ago 2
Must of shot him
QQTrick1QQ 5 days ago
lol yup that how most of the cops are in are town
gigasoly 5 days ago
I hope this officer has been fired..or at least educated....could be his house
jikkyjack 5 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
suck it
TheStevo03 5 days ago
why couldnt this happen to me
mmaBuff16 5 days ago
Who is this cunt and why is she there? what was this guy accused of doing wrong?
xpumpman 5 days ago
should've slapped the bitch
randomUser1200 5 days ago
this is a tough one, kind of a gray area imo. I worked in insurance for a few years, and inspections can take place of someone's property, especially if there is something shady going on. i know this isn't an insurance issue, but he is obviously doing some weird shit. they didn't ask to enter the home, just the property. yeah it is bullshit that a simple phone call on a neighbor can start something like this, but i wouldn't want to live next to someone who might be burying corpses.
marcryptic 6 days ago
@marcryptic Oh it's just a simple littler thing called our CONSTITUTION and DUE PROCESS.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
unlawful search. too bad a lot of the police barely know the law.
nx2overide 6 days ago
WHAT HAPPEN ?????
kalendfz6r600 6 days ago
its because shes a gypsy.
dougman066 6 days ago
@BaBoykal818ee why don't you NOT run your mouth until you read my other post explaining I made a mistake and meant to say "non Curtliage." Thank you.
Adesico87 6 days ago
this video makes very little sense. perhaps you should explain to the viewers what the nature of the visit was it would make a whole lot a sense.
MASTERNCS 6 days ago
@MASTERNCS Exactly, it makes very little sense why a government official would insist on trespassing, or why a LEO would allow it. The property owner needn't explain anything. Probable cause of a crime or GTFO.
AtomicBuffalo 6 days ago
@AtomicBuffalo in this age of digital media where the coin now has 3 sides to every story this guy needs to at least explain WTF happened prior to the visit yet he fails. What's even more sad to see is all the idiots agreeing in his favor with the thumbs up button.
MASTERNCS 6 days ago
@MASTERNCS Whats sad is all these "Idiots" you speak of paid attention when he clearly said "So what if i'am moving dirt on my property....so obviously he was moving dirt and someone assumed he was burying trash or something....EITHER WAY...This is bullshit that a law officer acts like he does not know what the fuck to do! And this is self explanatory...Does not matter the details...they have no right to be there! That's THE point Why ya gotta call people "Idiots"? ..."Come on"!
StinkyonmyWinky 5 days ago
@StinkyonmyWinky Well there you go, this is what is wrong with a lot of people today. We "assume" and like yourself you are assuming that the PD and god only knows where the lady is from are out there to waste time and money i "assume". Nations have gone to war on assumptions my friends. Lets try to think with logic and facts and not assumptions.
MASTERNCS 5 days ago
SOOOO what happened ?
justice3769 6 days ago 14
@SoftSailz If they tried to get into the house then yeah you're right. But what i watched the officer and woman stayed on the driveway. They are perfectly legal to do so. Also if you were to have used your force, in any way, thats 3rd degree assault, and if you caused any injury well then you just bumped that up to 2nd degree assault.
Adesico87 6 days ago
@Adesico87 Apparently you didn't watch the video. The sheriff stayed in the driveway but the woman came onto his property UNCONSTITUTIONALLY to look for evidence when she has no right to do so and the sheriff that swore an oath to the people that elected him, let her get away with violating this man's Constitutional rights. He needs to be fired at the least.
MrExNavy 2 days ago
@MrExNavy Did they fail to mention in your class that buisness law is an entirely different subject from political theory? The fact that Americans don't know what the social contract is, explains why this guy thinks the city worker is trespassing. She is not conducting a criminal investigation she is ensuring that the work he is doing in his back yard does not violate the statutes of city. Also the cop was not elected.
CitrusLizard 2 days ago
@CitrusLizard, I don't know Indiana Law. However, In most States, if a property is registered as a Business with the County and or State, than you may be correct. Health Inspectors DO have the Authority to enter IN or UPON a Property to Inspect for Safety and or Health Violations Without a Warrant. The Authority given to them by The State allows them to Proceed. If that is the case in this Video, Then She did every thing Right, and the guy with the camera was 100% wrong.
commonman80 2 days ago
@CitrusLizard, Sometimes, people register their property as a "Business" to get tax breaks from The Federal and State Government, and or avoid paying certain Home Owner Property Taxes.
commonman80 2 days ago
i would have physically restrained her off my property if it was me
SoftSailz 6 days ago