Pokémon Battle Revolution - Togekiss of Death

[9YoshiBlue]

His Togekiss's name is Lucky. AWESOME> THATS MY TOGEPI's NAME IN SOUL SILVER

[willace11]

Personally, perhaps you should consider the platinum and HGSS move tutors for togekiss.

Good though flamethrower is, heatwave hits both foes at base 100 power as opposed to flamethrower's single hit base 95.

[Flamingames]

Yeyeye

[EvanVonErich]

why didn't you ice beam togekiss? :/

[Overhazard]

@EvanVonErich When?

[zacharydavidtrahan]

@Overhazard whats ur freind code



[spartamixfan]

@Overhazard Tough luck with that, but an awesome battle! :) If you have either pokemon black/white I'll be happy to battle you. If it's a flat rule battle. :P

[StaraptorAlpha]

wow it was really cool of you to keep going even though you only had mantine!

:)

[killerarcher45]

Lol i like you videos sooooooooo much! xD just be playing when i get the game i wanna try to beat you but it never happends hehehe JUST WIN ALL THE BATTLES!!!

[VideoKingist]

2:00 Prediction Fail

[kjnjkmjk1]

Actually, Garchomp is now OU, and Salamance got boosted to Uber.

[TDICaitlincookegroup]

this was uploaded on 9/11....=(

[TDICaitlincookegroup]

I just noticed something- Abomasnow is pretty bulky, truefully!

The huge drawback is its 7 weaknesses and 4x to fire....

[ScizorTheOverlord]

lol, when i saw PETAL the Roserade, i thought u were battling XSonictheH!! xD

[hellotheresirdude]

I always feel bad for nidoking, he used to be such a force before the entire world started learning EQ

[Supersonicmadness]

hey overhazerd is this a new pass cus i aint seen you whith this pass befor, it must rental since all your rental passes i have seen

p.s:im your biggest fan

p.s.s:i know people are gonig to be gay about wat i said that im overhazerds biggest fan if you are then get a life.

[Overhazard]

What? I only use one Rental Pass, which is the Natalie Pass. All of the others are Pokémon copied from my Diamond version.

[Marmilotic21]

And the other poke I used was Grumpig (unseen)

[PieToPollur]

Were did you get the item?

[Overhazard]

Which item?

[Marmilotic21]

I think he means the quick powder.

[Overhazard]

They come with some of the wild Dittos.

[PieToPollur]

the quick powder

[moocowbaasheep]

Jeez, that guy could've been a bit more creative then using a Garchomp w/EQ, purlease.

[BigKlingy]

Umm... there's no chance any physical Garchomp won't use EQ. Its its only good physical ground STAB. Would you use a physical Normal type without Return?

I get annoyed when people consider something non creative when its pretty much required.

[Overhazard]

I use Double Hit on my Ambipom instead of Return.

[BigKlingy]

I forgot about that. Double Hit is arguably better than Return on Ambipom. I used a bad example.

What I'm trying to say is that, while some types, like Normal, have other STAB options, the only usable physical Ground move is Earthquake, so it makes sense for any physical Garchomp to have it.

Now, if someone was calling physical Garchomp itself not creative, I'd understand.

[Overhazard]

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I just tossed out an exception to the rule. There's usually one. I'll bet there's some circumventive use for a Garchomp who'd use Dig instead of Earthquake. The next team I have will have a Pokémon who uses Dive instead of Aqua Tail or Waterfall, for instance.

Special Garchomp would be interesting to see and definitely a wrench thrown into people's expectations.

[BigKlingy]

There's actually Special Garchomp in Platinum's Battle Factory. It's actually pretty good. Of course, the surprise factor dosen't really work against the AI...

In the Uber environment, Special Garchomp would be best off with a Choice Scarf, revenge KOing things that expect a physical one.

And I'm looking foward to seeing a Dive-abusing Pokemon.

[tyranizard164]

i have a special garchomp, and even as special its actually very strong, it needs a life orb still though, as its special is considerably worse than its physical attack

[Marmilotic21]

I wanted to make this a special Garchomp, but I couldn't think of moves to give it. (Only Dragon Pulse)

[Overhazard]

How about Earth Power?

[Marmilotic21]

Is that a platinum move tutor? (Earth Power)

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll update that, actually.

[tyranizard164]

dragon pulse, fire blast, earth power, hidden power, surf, draco meteor,

[kookooburu]

@Marmilotic21 dragon pulse, flamethrower earth power, and surf

[TDICaitlincookegroup]

That was U?

I like your team marco!

[dannyXX1]

@Marmilotic21 dragon pulse,flamethrower,earth power

[moocowbaasheep]

It isn't 'required' it's just what most people do. I meant using a special one, that would surely catch me by surprise.

[PieToPollur]

What does the item that ditto have do?

[Overhazard]

The Quick Powder doubles Ditto's Speed. It ensures that Ditto pretty much goes first and gets to Transforming.

[ARodYankFan]

Tough loss. It was great to see Mantine but now I see why Abomasnow's not too bad on this set thanks to Mantine.

[clashcid]

Well, I finally got to see Moby perform and I must say I was very impressed. A fantastic combination of defense and offense.

[TheOneAmani]

..how wonderful. now I gotta take Garchomp off my team. ah well, maybe I can get a Lavitar from some where.

[ARodYankFan]

You don't have to. We're not forcing anyone to get rid of Garchomp from their teams. A lot of us just think that it's a cheap Pokemon to use against trainers that use UU Pokemon only. You have 5 others so don't be shy to use them.

[LordKira]

By your logic, rayquaza should also be OU as he can even slow can can be OHKO'd by some moves in OU. Yet he is not. Salamence is much...MUCH inferior to Garchomp in general as a pokemon. While the DD will le thim outspeed SDChomp, it won't outspeed the scarfChomp.

[LordKira]

Also, speed isn't everything but an important factor to consider when the pokemons are strong enough to be considered. it's the fact that Garchomp is naturally faster than Salamence and other 100's (currently there are only 10 OU pokemons that are naturally faster than him.

[LordKira]

ninjask can't kill him, aerodactly can't kill him (esp if garchomp has Yache), Jolteon can't kill him, Weavile has porven to not be able to kill YacheChomp, Zam can't, Azelf and Starmie can't either, Gengar and infernape can't, Latias can but if Garchomp has Haban she won't be able to.

[LordKira]

Garchomp does have checks in OU but so does almost all UBERS.  Still it is the very fact that nothing can switch into all garchomp variants and kill it before he can (a counter not a check) that makes him an UBER or too broken in OU. Also, Salamence does not, again, have the SR "resistance" but quite weak to it.

[PieToPollur]

Good job can you make a vid with your baby team again?

[GamerBanana]

Togekiss with Flamethrower, I wasn't expecting that.

I really hate battling Garchomp and Togekiss...

[Jermalie0]

lmao i was not cheap >_> i used two underused pokemon, how is that cheap :O

[HamsterPants522]

You're cheap because you don't use 3 UU pokemon. :P

[silvernblaze]

Is PBR compatible with HG/SS?

[Overhazard]

Yes, it will be. It communicates with a DS Pokémon game in the same way as another DS Pokémon game.

[ThePurpleParrot37]

I love Octillery. Nice to see someone putting it to god use.

[Marmilotic21]

Mine has a Razor Claw and Focus Energy for extra crits.

[Jermalie0]

i played this guy :P i beat his whole team with two pokes :O it was a fun match, gg

[Marmilotic21]

that's because you were cheap with the same strategy.

[TrickFury]

did you use darkrai and darkrai or something? lol

[Marmilotic21]

Yeah, but I had forgotten to update my team when I had battled GeneralSecura.

[Jermalie0]

i used milotic n lapras ftw

[flygon666]

Garchomp shouldn't be uber anyway, if Salamence can be OU then so can Chomp.

The only real things chomp has over Salamence is better typing and bulkier.

but the unpredictable posed by Salamence mkes it a much bigger OU threat.

[Dsmbr03]

No, it has slightly more speed, plus the other two things you said.

[flygon666]

which is another reason why it should be OU, it'd make a good check to Salamence.

[AngeloBlaze]

Garchomp gets Swords Dance as well which coming off 130 base attack and 102 speed can be ridiculously devastating to most teams.

If Chomp gets up a Swords Dance it can pretty much 2HKO anything in the game, and with a Yache Berry even those things that are faster than it can't OHKO it with an Ice attack for the most part.

I think Chomp being an uber is definitely debatable, but those are some reasons as to why it is.

[flygon666]

it's speed doesn't really matter considering how a lot of stuff outspeed it in OU these days, what with things like Gengar and Starmie being scarfed.

And Latias stops Chomp cold, and latias is really common. The fact it 2HKO's most things doesn't matter when you think about that most teams are offensive anyway.

If Sala is OU then Chomp should be too, it's far easier to play around than Mence is.

[LordKira]

I would not say so. There's a reason as why he is considered as the "best" revenge killer even in UBER. He outspeeds many important pokemons while hitting hard...VERY hard and is actually better than Nite in terms of defense as well (more HP and under standard it has sand veil and its good typing). Salamence is powerful but not as threatening as Chomp. Salamence is slower (that 2 base speed is a huge difference as it will always outspeed mence) and SR is a VERY good check to Mence.

[Numbuh214]

People, people... aren't you forgetting that sometimes its ability gives it a 1 in 5 chance of any given move missing when it normally would have hit? Ice Beam only has a 64% chance to 2HKO a Garchomp in Sandstorm. That's broken in my book.

[flygon666]

Yes, but OU is a much more fast paced metagame than Ubers is. And if he is an awesome revenge killer that doesn't mean he's too broken to be OU.

He'll only outspeed Sala if he's scarfed, since sala will DD on the switch and lol. And his 102 base speed is actually pretty slow in a metagame where things like Gengar and Starmie are scarfed.

Chomp is simply not as good as it used to be as it is easily outsped if it's SD, and can't sweep if it's scarfed.

[ARodYankFan]

What's very sad is that my Torchic has the ability to knock any predictable Garchomp out there. I smell an attack coming, I use Counter and if it's Sashed, I have Quick Attack. Smogon doesn't think about UU Pokemon taking it out. They only think of the OU/Uber environment...

[flygon666]

Stealth rock says LOL!!!! to your torchic strategy, as does Hail/Sandstorm. Not to mention leftovers etc. and that people will probably see your strategy coming, since F.E.A.R sets are so obvious and predictable.

and no they don't, they can't account for every fucking pokemon imaginable, that'd be almost impossible, time consuming and overall pretty pointless.

[destoryofdoom]

Great match Over!

[TrickFury]

yay thank you overhazard...i love your vids sooo much :) And you posted 2 on my bday :) you've made my day 5 stars

[randomyoshi]

Too bad you lost this battle. If Abomasnow lasted a turn longer, then it would've been the end for your opponent's Garchomp.

[Masz52]

So why is Garchomp Uber anyway? I've yet to have trouble against one, honestly.

[GeneralSecura]

Because it is considered too hard to counter in OU. Mamoswine and Weavile can counter it pretty well with Ice Shard, but if Garchomp has a Yache Berry it'll always survive and kill Mamoswine/Weavile.

[Marmilotic21]

Mine has a Focus Sash.

[BigKlingy]

Will Mismagius become the new Scisor?

It'll certainly shoot up in usage, that's for sure.

[TheIgDemon]

Good battle. It was too bad you lost. Personally, I love Garchomp to pieces, but I would never use it against someone else unless it was an Uber battle.

[BigKlingy]

Remember that every standard moveset was once original. And they have at least 5 movesets for most things with decent movepools, some of which are very interesting (Curse Bastiodon and Para-Fusion-Flinch Regirock, for example)

I really like the analysis they do, (see the 'articles' section) but I absolutly despise their community. (most think winning is ALL that matters, are generally quite arrogant and censor any forum posts that sound remotly "Noobish" [how are those people going to learn]

[AngeloBlaze]

I 100% agree with you. People are too ready and willing to bash anything to do with Smogon, but as a resource its one of the best out there. In fact there's not another website I'd so readily send people to if they were just getting into competitive pokemon because it is some helpful in telling you what is right and wrong when it comes to competitive movesets.

People also seem to think tiers are terrible things, but all they try to do is to make the game as fair and balanced as possible.

[kjnjkmjk1]

@AngeloBlaze .............................S­ometimes they make the worst mistakes, though.

Ex: Typhlosion and Porygon2 were ranked NU. Typhlosion has enough Sp.Atk to get itself into the UU tier, while Porygon2 has a really diverse movepool and has really good Sp.Atk, too, allowing it to be in OU.

Wow, long lecture.

[AngeloBlaze]

@kjnjkmjk1 They do make mistakes, I agree.

But the tiers are based around there always being Stealth Rock around, meaning most Fire types are put into NU just because they take an automatic 25%. Typhlosion should be UU otherwise but it doesn't have the widest special movepool either.

As for Porygon-2 it shouldn't be anywhere near OU though. HP and Defenses are not high enough for it to take hits from most OU pokemon, and it's slow and its special attack isn't particularly high either.

[december2560]

Awesome

[hoopsandyoyofan26]

so I am not the only one with flamethrower on a togekiss

[Marmilotic21]

Wow! You get to see a lot of Mantine action.

[atreecko]

Does you Togekiss carry the move Follow Me?

[Marmilotic21]

No it doesn't.

[Marmilotic21]

No...why?

[Breludicolo]

i don't think he ev's... charge beam would have easily killed Mantine, unless he some weird defensive ev investment. It may be a special wall, but it's certainly no blissey.

That wasn't very fair on his part, using garchomp.

[BigKlingy]

Garchomp is nowhere near the same as Dragonite. Garchomp is all about offence, while Dragonite is slower and more bulky. (and somewhat capabe of, barely, surviving and Ice Beam)

Garchomp also gets Swords Dance. Dragonite gets Dragon Dance, but Salamence is generally better at using it, so you don'r see it much.

I'm not arguing why one's Uber and one isn't, I just whant you to see the differences between them.

[BigKlingy]

You don't EV Train?

You don't know what you're missing.

[Marmilotic21]

Yeah I do. I just don't to see how un-eving has an affect on wi-fi.

[BigKlingy]

Mantine does have 140 base Special Defence (the same as Kyogre's) And Charge Beam only has 55 base power. It'd definatly be a 2HKO, but I'm not sure about a OHKO.

[ShadowyPaint]

It's too bad you lost. Your pass is really cool. I think that Ditto is alot more useful than what people give it credit for. Especially doubles.

[BigKlingy]

I have to commend you, it takes a lot of courage to call Garchomp Uber on Youtube. Many members seem to utterly despise anything remotly connected to Smogon.

Speaking of Garchomp... Dragon Rush? Seriously? Garchomp gets Dragon Claw and Outrage.

[Marmilotic21]

I should teach it Dragon Claw. I'll update that soon.

[Numbuh214]

The Togepi in HeartGold and SoulSilver learns Extrasensory; won't that be fun for Togekiss? :|

[TheNinterror]

Togekiss already get's Air slash, which is Togekiss's general Special STAB while still having a high Flinch rate to abuse, so Extrasensory seems pointless in comparison.

[GeneralSecura]

Air Slash is better than Extrasensory because Togekiss gets STAB on it.

[sneakybob101]

cool

[TheBlabnamme]

yay!

u havent uploaded in a while*well i dont rember*