Let me ask the Atheists this question, if you don't believe in God then why are you celebrating Christmas? It's the most religious holiday ever and its meant for religious reasons
Wow! I thought I was clear that I wasn't looking for a debate. I'm willing to bet here that nothing I say to defend the Bible, which you challenged me to read, which I have done for the past 25 years, will make a shred of difference regarding your opinion. Why can't you just receive a comment without looking for a fight. I was complimenting you for being decent in your argument & you throw it back at me.
This is what I mean by never having met a kind atheist. I could go into all the explanations, but I don't think you're actually interested, so I guess I'm sorry I said anything in the first place.
Well, you made comments that I felt compelled to address. It's fine if you don't want to debate, but don't give me an invitation by claiming religion was spread by the sword without God's blessing. Throughout the OT God regularly commands the Hebrews to kill non-believers. I've heard all the apologetics and there is nothing anyone can say that would adequately defend the atrocities found in the Bible. Murder, infanticide, rape, slavery etc is never excusable, no matter the reasons.
@DiscoveringReligion Maybe if you cite specific passages, I can understand better what it is you're talking about. I do know this: There were a people that used to sacrifice their children to a god which they would heat up & then place their children in the arms of. God called for the demise of such people. Are you suggesting that was a bad call to punish those who were murdering children? You must also be pro-life I suppose if you are against infanticide. Just wondering . . .
By the way, the fact I challenge your beliefs is not being rude, it is only the WAY in which I challenge your beliefs that can be considered rude. I have treated you with respect and I have not mocked or denigrated your beliefs. What I say about Biblical atrocities is completely true and can be verified in the Bible itself. Therefore, your claim of never having met a kind atheist is a false if all you do is confuse legitimate questions about your faith as rudeness.
@DiscoveringReligion I have NO problem discussing my beliefs or being challenged as you put it. I don't judge someone's dimeanor based on their questions as being rude. It's the way they relay those questions, I agree. Believe me when I say, I have ONLY ever talked to ANGRY atheists from the get go of the conversation, not even into the conversation. Several calmed down enough to have a civil conversation, but what is with the ragefest? Why can't we simply agree to disagree?
Exactly what from my previous comments allows you to infer that I am, as you say, in a "ragefest"? All I said was, "You claim Christianity was spread by the sword without God's blessing, but how do you know?... God regularly kills his enemies, read the Bible." The fact you use words like "ONLY ever", indicates to me that you're a tad hypersensitive. I haven't said anything inflammatory or denigrating, I merely questioned how you know what you claim to know, that's all.
@DiscoveringReligion You said me claiming to have never met a kind atheist was false. I was referring to the ones that I met when saying "ragefest", not you.
You asked about my stance on abortion and I don't really want to get into a drawn out debate on this subject, but I'll tell you this: There's a difference between a blastocyst, a developing ball of cells, and fully formed baby. Such a distinction is medically/scientifically proven. However, if you claim such a distinction cannot be made, then you must be consistent in your opposition and protest the use of antibiotics, chemotherapy, and any other substance that kills human cells.
@DiscoveringReligion A ball of cells is not what can be found when a woman discovers she's pregnant. By the time she is able to find out, there is a heartbeat & steadily growing form. The cells that antibiotics may kill do not have a heartbeat of their own, nor are they a completely different person with their own DNA.
In a secular society we evaluate actions based whether or not it promotes personal autonomy or produces a detriment to society. A developing fetus does not have autonomy, it is growing inside the woman and it is apart of her body. Therefore, if to continue with the pregnancy is against her will she must not be force to do so. Even though we might disagree with her decision, we have no right to tell someone else what to do with their own body. Morality isn't about passing judgement.
@DiscoveringReligion Well aren't you passing judgement on me by telling me that I'm wrong? So just curious, if abortion is perfectly moral, then why don't they go to the lengths of giving the fetus anesthesia before twisting & pulling it's arms & legs off or before crushing it's skull?
@DiscoveringReligion If you've ever watched an abortion, you would know full well that the fetus not only attempts to pull away from the instruments but also is in trauma during the procedure before it dies.
@DiscoveringReligion We may not agree on religion, but I feel confident in saying anyone worth their salt in abortion education would know well not to argue that it is not a person & not in pain. Just this week, I read an article citing an abortion doctor who confimed that the images that pro-lifers hold as evidence, are in fact 100% accurate.
@DiscoveringReligion You have to consider also that we as a society tell people what to do with their bodies everyday (i.e. drugs - both legal & illegal, helmet laws, seatbelt aws, suicide . . .) There's many, many laws that inhibit us from doing exactly what we want to do with our bodies. The matter deserves more attention than to simply say, "it's not my body, it's not my business." As a woman, I am equal in value, but superior to no one, and that includes an unborn baby.
There are many verses in the Bible where God allows and even commands his Chosen People to raid, loot, plunder, rape, murder, and enslave non-believers. Some select verses include: Genesis 7:21-23; Exodus 12:20-21 and 29-30; Numbers 31:7-18 and 26-35; Leviticus 25:39-46; Isaiah 13:15-18; Isaiah 14:21; Hosea 9:11-16; Psalm 137:9; 2 Chronicles 15:12-13; and many, many more. Watch Episodes 19 and 20 of my series for an in-depth examination of these passages.
@DiscoveringReligion Thank you for providing specifics. I will look at all of these passages in context to see what they say & what was going on. Anyone can look at a set of passages of any book in the world & make an inference without reading them in the context they were drawn from.
Yes, read the entire passage. In each of these cases God himself punishes sinners (Gen. 7), God specifically commands his followers to loot, rape, and murder others (Numbers 31 and Isaiah 13), or the Bible conveys the desire to inflict incalculable harm on God's enemies (Psalm 137). In all of these cases it is important to note that innocent children are being punished for the sins of others -- they are merely seen as collateral damage. This is evil incarnate, not love and justice.
@DiscoveringReligion Ok, so I read everyone of the passages you cited & with the exception of maybe 2 passages, I saw nothing I disagreed with. There were 2 that I will have to look into further before understanding fully what exactly was going on, but I definitely saw nothing citing God commanding anyone to be raped. There is somuch to be considered when reading these passages & simply not enough room here to dive into. So I'll be brief, since you said you've already heard all the arguments.
@DiscoveringReligion Everything in the Bible should be read carefully, intentionally, & objectively. Everything is there for a reason & all ties together (from Old Testament to New Testament, though we are not under the Old Testament according to the Gospels which state the new covenant, or agreement, that Jesus came to put in place by where we are no longer required to atone for our own sins, realizing that we can't, but can be forgiven because of His choice to die in our place once & for all).
@DiscoveringReligion I think the whole study of the Bible should start with this question: How did we get here? Once you get to the bottom of this question, you are able to search the rest of it from a different point-of-view. Even science's own laws of probability contradict themselves in macro-evolution. I know this is a tangent, but it's worth mentioning considering if we determine that there is in fact a God, and He did in fact create the world, then what was His purpose?
@DiscoveringReligion If we can determine His purpose, we can study these other things within that context. If I know His purpose, I'm going to approach His Words differently than if I have no knowledge of Him at all. The cruelties that happen in the Bible are brought on by sin, & specifically sinful people. They have a choice. Choices have repercussions & consequences. As a parent, my choices affect my children, whether I like it or not. It is not God's fault how I choose to live my life.
@DiscoveringReligion Though I saw nothing that stated anyone being commanded to rape anyone. And I did see that people sold themselves as slaves, then were ordered by God to be treated as family. There was some history behind some of these passages that I found & they didn't support a cruel relationship towards "slaves". People chose this occupation if you wanna call it that for different reasons, mostly to pay off debt. It's not like the slavery we saw in our country's early history.
@SpankyWeezer May I just add, that I'm not saying there was never an instance of a slave being mistreated. It just wasn't at the request of God to do so.
@DiscoveringReligion In closing, I think you can find the answers you're looking for within the pages of Scripture. I don't know everything otherwise I'd be God & I certainly am not qualified to be that. There is a reason that it has stood the test of time & that hundreds of prophecies written over hundreds of years of time came to pass & were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus.
@DiscoveringReligion The only thing I think you & I will agree upon is this: we simply disagree. No ill feelings on my part. If I could, I'd shake your hand, & thank you for the dialogue. :)
As a Born-again Evangelical Christian, we obviously don't see eye to eye on our core beliefs. I do agree with some of what was presented here as far as history goes. I too think it's a shame that early Christians used the sword as a tool of conversion. Clearly, they did so without the blessing of God.
I won't get into a debate, but simply wanted to say thank you for being civil in sharing your atheistic viewpoint. I have NEVER met a kind atheist & I have met many. For the most part, they have all been raging, name-calling, sarcastically-fueled, & downright cruel in discussing their views. So at the very least, thank you for being able to discuss your views in a manner worthy of conversation. :)
I believe in civil discourse, but I've experienced the same behavior in the way of name-calling, attacks on my character, and the spewing of obscenities from Christians as well.
You claim Christianity was spread by the sword without God's blessing, but how do you know? God slaughters his enemies countless times throughout the Bible. The fact pagan groups were conquered was evidence for the Christians that they were doing God's work. God regularly kills his enemies, read the Bible.
I had not noticed the fact that you had made a commentary edit about the scientific error in your modelling , so my apologies.
However my statement still holds true that when you are trying to push back ignorance we must be mindful of not replacing one misunderstanding with another no matter how well intentioned.
It's a statistical fact that a large number of adults (even highly educated college graduates) persist in the belief that in Summer we are closer to the sun and in Winter farther.
When in fact this is actually opposite (from our perspective in the Northern Hemisphere) since we are closer in Winter (by a meager average of about 7 million miles, which doesn't mean much in the vaccuum of space, it makes the lights trip about 30 seconds longer...pffft).
For those people in the Southern Hemisphere they actually do have Summer when we are closer but its merely incidental not causative.
Serious flaw with your video dude. You are giving the ignorant theists the impression that Earth tilts back and forth when in reality its always tilted in precisely the same way (an angular measure of about 23 degrees) the difference being which side is more directly facing the sun during our orbit. The Earth NEVER is completely "vertical" as you depicted, this is going to cause the same sort of ignorance as the common misconception that the seasons are based on planets distance to the sun.
See what happens when you support schools and education, LOL you find the truth! I knew something was a rye a long time ago. You see for thousands of years you could not dispute the church even Cosmologist had to be careful of what they found out to be truths, or they might find themselves dead or exiled, and both have been done. The problem is people of faith have the same mentality as the church and they don't like the feeling of being duped for so long. Pride and Intelligence challenged.
Great video! I have always celebrated Xmas since I was a child to be a holiday of being loving and caring, that's the only thing. And being an atheist shouldn't stop you from having fun during this time of the year!
Non-believers, be happy knowing that our "ancestors" are not fooling anyone now. The reason for Xmas is to celebrate the Savior's birth. All the minutiae that atheists use to attack it is a moot point. So we will celebrate the spirituallity and you can elucidate til the cows come home. Enjoy your solstice, Merry Christmas and peace be with you.
I'm an atheist, but I enjoy the holiday season as much as anyone. I don't go to church, but I give gifts to the people I love. I don't pray to god, but I celebrate the joy and happiness that comes with being with family and friends, some whom I only see during this season because they don't live in my city. I love watching the excitement of children when opening their gifts. I love that people can make an extra effort to be charitable and kind during this season. So I love the holidays.
Meh, it's not like Christianity/Catholicism isn't already corrupt. I blame the Constantine & Julius. But fine, if this is backed up by facts I don't see why it can't be true. However, I'll just ask you if you are implying that we're all ignorant.
ALSO, whoever said (other than Fundamentalists) that non-Christians and atheists couldn't celebrate Christmas? Christmas is also about families being together, not just the birth of Jesus. Stop trying to makes us look like idiots with tyrannic tendencies. You can say that my religion is a 'fraud' (which I find very insulting) and how atheists should laugh at us (which makes it look like atheists are pricks) but don't you dare staple every single one of us as ignorant because this video became...
So, this video is called Christmas Card from and Atheist right? Basically 100% of this video was about paganism, which is any religion outside the Abrahamic ones. So I don't know how atheism comes into this for you. Secondly the feast of Saturnalia is celebrated between the 17th and the 23rd of December. The pagan feast helped influence the church to fix the date of Christmas, not rip off the feast all together. Not only that, but Christmas hasn't always been on the 25th December.
You said, "Christmas is also about families being together, not just the birth of Jesus." Exactly! But Christians have hijacked it. I know many non-Christians that do not celebrate X-mas and feel left out b/c it's promoted as purely a Christian holiday. This video was for THEM, not you. I am simply showing others that it's OK to celebrate this day, b/c in the end it's all just pointless fun. I've never been called a false prophet before, what was my prophecy again? LOL, FAIL.
By the way, post your comments in response to my comment and then to your previous comment, otherwise I will delete your posts. I cannot stand it when people do this. Watch this video if you do not understand what I mean: watch?v=i9V7xMdgIQk
I call people false prophets all the time. I think it's just hilarious as an insult...you false prophet. If this video wasn't for me, you wouldn't have said "for all of you Christians watching this" at the end. Also, nobody said (ofther than the Fundamentalists) that you guys couldn't celebrate Christmas. The only thing Christians 'hijacked' is the date, and even then it isn't even within the time period of Saturnalia OR the Winter Solistice.
Besides, Christmas hasn't always been celebrated on the 25th December. It was only until Constantine came that he changed it to the 25th to align with other pagan celebrations. So we didn't steal anything.
The "false prophet" insult is even funnier to the people you use it against, because it makes absolutely no sense within the context you are trying to use it. A better word would be "infidel", but even that would not offend me. You can't offend me with something I fundamentally reject. Christians were not my target audience, but I did address them in the video. So what? I never said Christians claim it's a private holiday, but people of other beliefs still feel excluded. Get it?
No one knew when to celebrate Christ's birth. There was never an official date until the Church declared it to be Dec 25th. Constantine never "changed" the date. Tell me, what official date was Christmas celebrated BEFORE they "changed it"? Furthermore, Christ was believe to be born in the summer, but the Church picked Dec 25th, out of 364 other possible days of the year, so they could FORCE all the pagans observing the solstice to celebrate Jesus' birth by default. = Stolen
You said, "The only thing Christians 'hijacked' is the date, and even then it isn't even within the time period of Saturnalia OR the Winter Solistice." LOL What? In 46 BCE Julius Caesar established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice of Europe in the Julian calendar. Then 400 years later the date was hijacked by Roman Christians. Do you display evergreen plants, light candles, give gifts, hang stocking, etc, etc, etc??? EVERYTHING about Christmas was stolen from the pagans. Derp!
"It is cosmic symbolism...which inspired the Church leadership in Rome to elect the winter solstice, December 25, as the birthday of Christ, and the summer solstice as that of John the Baptist, supplemented by the equinoxes as their respective dates of conception. While they were aware that pagans called this day the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus, this did not concern them and it did not play any role in their choice of date for Christmas" - S.E. Hijmans
Fine, you're a 'minion of the AntiChrist'. Happy now?
And why would they feel left out? If other non-Abrahamic people celebrate it then why can't they? They're just leaving themselves out of it for no reason.
I'm a minion of what? I told you I reject the fiction of Christian mythology. You might as well call me a minion of Bugs Bunny, it would have just as much meaning for me. The "cosmic symbolism" hypothesis is less plausible because it's not based on fact. Pagans were celebrating Dec 25th many hundreds of years before Christ's birth, which was during the SUMMER. Gift giving, evergreens, & the date itself have pagan origins. The festival surrounding Christmas is non-Christian.
Jeez, I'm trying to make this place more lighthearted. Stop shooting it down, watch Friends and see where I got if from :/
And if this is the case, then I might as well agree with you. The religion has gotten messed up over the years. For me, insults to the religion itself isn't really skin off my back anymore. I just get really riled up when people mock my faith and beliefs.
Incorrect. Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. Easter is to celebrate the resurrection of Christ. Santa, decorations, easter egg hunting, was just traditions adopted later on. The origin of Christmas is the birth of Christ. Stop trying to dilute the meaning of Christmas with this garbage.
I'm afraid every historian would disagree with you. Don't take my word for it. Go look it up, read a history book, do ANYTHING other than just sitting there spouting nonsense without having any facts to back it up. By the way, you have a great last name.
Burn baby Burn, it's just eternal.. You know, there is probably only such much room on the "Spaceship of Heaven" ... said metaphorically of course, and it probably needs a lot of fuel, like nuclear fusion of organic matter, so believe what your want to. As far as astronomy, if you are just figuring that out now, go buy a coloring book and start over. You want some proof. search Bethlehem Star. If you're going to read text, download a Dale Carnegie Class and practice a little.
I find it much more "pathetic" being a mindless robot that engages in pointless traditions when there is no logic to them. I celebrate Christmas because it is fun, not because I want to honor a star baby that was horribly tortured in order to redeem the original sin of eating a magical piece of fruit. I am conscious of the tradition in which I am engaging, I care about the reasons I do things, and those that don't justify their actions are mindless sheep following other non-thinkers.
@DiscoveringReligion We're not on the same page and I'm afraid we wont be able to reach a mutual understanding. I just for the life of me don't understand why so many Atheists are so fascinated by religion and I firmly believe that those who are indulging most in debates against religious people are those who used to believe this dumb shit to begin with. The war on Christmas is silly and we don't need atheists to feed the fire
Why wouldn't ANYONE be fascinated with this subject? The question of existence applies to EVERYONE, no matter their religious affiliation or lack there of. It's pretty shallow to assume only the religious are allowed to engage in such debate. And what "dumb shit" are you referring to? I used to be a Christian, but I stopped believing in that "dumb shit" around the same time I figured out Santa Claus didn't exist. This video is not a war on Christmas, it's just a simple history lesson.
The Amazing Atheist talked about this point too. There's a good amount of reason to have a seasonal celebration, and I think that non-believers should be willing and allowed to participate. The season has become part of our culture, and has really lost most of it's religious meaning.
Of course, I am pissed off when someone jams Merry Christmas down the throat of someone with the utter GALL to say "Happy Holidays."
I'm an atheist and I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE christmas. Jesus was actually born sometime in march I think. At least the person we believe to be jesus was. And the earths tilt dosn't change but when it revolves around the sun, a different side of the earth is leaning towards the sun which causes the seasons.
JESUS IS LORD!!!! AND ALIVE!!!!! EVERYTIME I PRAY TO HIM, HE ANSWERS!!!! HE IS THE SON OF GOD!!!! THE BIBLE SAIDS IN HOSEA 4:6 "My PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE"
1) Whether this was a Pagan time (December 25), I know not. Whether it was when Jesus was actually born, I know not. But; I personally celebrate Chistmas after Christ. i. e. Christ-mas. And that is what I do know!
2) Christ did not teach Christianity. Nor did he teach Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, Yule Logs or such. However, no matter how unimportant it is to many, he did teach Truth.
Why is it chosen, by some, to avoid this, using sarcasm and false knowledge?
Excellent video! But, was this video made by the same people who made Zeitgeist? They make the same mistakes. Sun/Son only works in English, which I'm sure wasn't spoken in the 1st-3rd century Mediterranean region. Also, to be a bit nit-picky, the Earth's axis maintains the same orientation throughout its orbit of the Sun. The graphic in the video makes it look like the axis rocks back and forth throughout the year.
I'm glad you enjoyed my video, but I did not make Zeitgiest. If you closely watch my video I never state that because Jesus is the "Son" of God this means he is the "Sun". The Bible refers to Jesus as the "Sun of Righteousness", which is a reference to the Roman sun god, Sol Invictus. Also, in my video I only show the relation of the Earth's equator to the sun. I didnt mean to suggest the Earth actually tilts back and forth on its axis. The Earth always maintains a 23 degree tilt.
... As the Earth's equator enters the same plane as the centre of the Sun ...
...and then it begins to once again tilt forward ...
There is no way that the equator's plane could line up with the centre of the Sun with the constant tilt of the earth. It is never this way in relation to the sun. So why show a diagram as such and say it as well?
Finally, joe3eagles, someone commented on that! lol
@DiscoveringReligion hey sorry man, if you can tell in my comment i was defending you to someone saying that the axis doesnt wobble. im not sure how i made the mistake of posting my comment on yours, but now i cant even find the comment i was trying to answer. youre doing a great job, keep it up
@DiscoveringReligion don't know if you'll read this but check out a you tube channel "reborndead" and watch his "truth about religion" videos. I think you'll like them and it's relevant to joe3eagles question here.
@DiscoveringReligion 1 im gunna answer this one for the guy who made this. its not showing that the earth's axis changes. i would ask you, to pick up a globe, one that shows the axs, and put a ball on the floor to represent the sun. as the earth rotates around the sun, the axis stays still. so during the summer months, the earth is leaning toward the sun at an angle. however, this axis does not turn to face the sun. it stays still as the earth rotates. so by the time winter is here, the earth is
@DiscoveringReligion 2 on the other side of the sun. because the earth's tilt does not rotate to face the sun, it is now pointing away from the sun. in spring and fall the axis apears to be straight from the point of view show in the video, but it isnt. it is mearly tilting away from the point of view, showing none of the tilt from side to side. this makes it appear to be a straight line, but only from the perspective this illustration shows. hope that little bit of grade school science helps ;)
The 23.5 degree orientation of the axis's tilt does not change. Only the orientation of the axis toward the sun. In the northern hemisphere summer, the north pole of the axis is oriented toward the sun. In the southern hemisphere summer the south pole of the axis in oriented toward the sun. It takes a half-revolution around the sun for this to occur.
@DiscoveringReligion : Sorry, didn't mean to cause an uproar over such a trivial issue. :)
@joe3eagles Well to be more accurate, the 23.5 degree orientation of the earth's axis doesn't change NOTICEABLY. At least within the usual human timescales.
Yes, it's hypocritical. I have no problem with celebrating Christmas if you're respectul of Christians' beliefs. But if you mock CHRIST, why are you celebrating CHRISTmas? This bunk about it being Saturnalia 500 years ago is laughable and so transparent, like teenagers trying to justify the short-sighted stuff they do by rationalization, etc.
Be true to your convictions and don't celebrate CHRISTmas.
"CHRISTmas", as you call it, wasnt invent until over 300 years after Jesus was said to have existed. Look it up! Furthermore, the Winter Solstice was celebrated thousands of years before anyone ever uttered the name Jesus Christ. Atheists don't celebrate Christmas, we celebrate the Winter Solstice by displaying everngree trees, wreaths, and exchanging presents. These activities have nothing to do with your Savior, but rather, have their roots in Pagan traditions.
Evergreens and gift giving having nothing to do with the birth of your star child savior. We are all inadvertently celebrating the solstice, whether we know it or not. However, being an atheist, I do not display any imagery that is associated with Christ -- no nativity, no midnight mass, none of it. Therefore, when I decorate an evergreen and give presents to my friends/family, I am performing a pagan ritual that began hundreds, if not thousands, of years BC. Educate yourself, fool.
Yeah and you worshiping something in the sky is much more credible? Now I could say that is bullshit too but unlike you I don't like insulting others because I get butthurt and have no comeback.
The Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, entered time and history through the Incarnation.
"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).
Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Mark 1:1, Romans 1:4), is a gift of love from the Father for the salvation of the world (John 3:16-17), the one who died for all of mankind (2 Corinthians 5:15), our "Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:21).
Good vid. Let the kids enjoy it. Just call it solstice or midwinter if you are bothered with the current associations, that pretty much worked for millennia already :)
Sadly for christians, christmas was a germanic holiday to celebrate surviving the harsh winter by decorating trees and having feasts. Christians simply adopted this holiday so that the tribes that were conquered by them, wouldn't try to murder them all in an act of rebellion.
@Imnon1 It lowers the resistance amongst the members of the tribes since the introduction of christianity didn't totally change their culture. And when there isn't much difference except the worship of a different god, people didn't experience it all as a real take-over, therefore they felt less like rebelling against their new leaders. It's a political trade-off, they get to keep a few from their traditions and you get to enforce a few new laws.
If this man want's to celebrate Christmas, regardless of him being an atheist..It's his right. There is no written law that states a non-christian cannot celebrate Christmas. Great vid!
Great video. As a neopagan, I actually always find it funny (and odd) how some people love to try and ‘lord over’ the whole winter season. Everyone has their holiday to one extent or another, let them celebrate and have fun. To me, its just the Winter Solstice, the metaphorical ‘rebirth of the Sun.’ Again, as always, great video!
@proceo12 Because the world is under the will of evil, and everything that comes from satan, darkness, the world accept it, but the things that comes from Jesus it rejects and deny it, included Jesus himself... I see no one persecuting the satanism, spiritualism, and everything that comes from the darkness, isn't that? Any religion is a false, cuz religion is a attempt of man to serve God by his own precepts.
@proceo12 That's the main excuse of every atheist... So many signs of a world immersed in darkness, drugs, kills, rage, diseases, violence, wars, racism, avarice, and mainly, hate for the name of Jesus and the existence of God... What to do if the only way to approach to Him is by faith, but if you want visual proofs, just look around you...
@GedoMazou I look around and I see Christianity trying to dominate my life. I don't hate Jesus, I have no reason to even recognize him. Violence is not the crime of the unbeliever, it's mostly a crime of faith. Almost every major religion, including Christianity, has been the source of a war and/or genocide.
@GedoMazou My family and friends and my friends friends constantly bombard me with scripture in the hopes I will convert. For some reason people just can't leave and atheist alone.
@GedoMazou This is far from proving anything, and your statements have so many fallacies I'm not sure where to begin.
Hasty generalization, poisoning of the well, attacking strawmen, appeal to emotion, appeal to consequence, special pleading.
As you have broadly generalized me as I am atheist, I will reply: I have no quarrel with your god, just with ignorant followers. Lying and stealing is against your commandments, so you might want to educate yourself in history to avoid nr 7&8
His point is pretty weak unless your ignorant. It's OK to celebrate Christmas because people who had different religious/spiritual beliefs than Christians did it before. I think it makes no sense.
I am atheist and anti-religious. If you're truly an atheist you should realize that all religions and spiritualities are the same. They are there to explain things we cannot. We cannot explain those things! Why believe in any of them? I still hate Christmas and everything it stands for.
Satan has countless ways to cheat us, trying to make us discredit in God or creating false religions, with its false doctrines, like the christmas, a pagan celebration mixed to the true cult, to the name of Jesus. They say that Jesus was birth december 25, no one can prove it, and it doesn't even matter, the point is that He rise of death and everyone that believe in it is gonna be save...
"The War on Xmas" is something that is solely run by the Christian right and Faux News. They are the ones banging the drums of war year after year, and even the most minute display from non-Christians are being drummed up to epic proportions my these people.
you guys (christians) believe in talking snakes. a person i know was put into a mental hospital because he thought he saw talking snakes....if we're going to put him into a mental hospital, then i say we put all christians in mental hospitals.
It is an appeal to emotion, but on this subject I have to agree. I have no interest in the christmas myths (of whatever kind) I just like the traditional festivities.
Just to nitpick, Constantine won a cataclysmic civil war that nearly destroyed the Empire, and he picked the religion he felt would best reunify the various peoples of Rome. Otherwise it's pretty accurate. :)
Beautifully done & well presented. As an atheistic pantheist, I would love to see a return to giving praise & thanks to the natural world which surrounds us & all of it's wondrous processes. I'll definitely be sharing this video with my loved ones this Holiday season as I am sure they could use the enlightenment. Peace. :-)
Just a little FYI. The tilt of the earth doesn't actually shift. The shift is apparent in relation to our revolution around the sun. The tilt stays at 23.5º and as we revolve around the sun that constant angle changes in relation to the sun, but the pitch of the earth doesn't change. If it even shifted by less than 1º it would be catastrophic to life on earth because of the effect it would have on Weather Patterns. Trust me I am a Weather Forecaster.
@DiscoveringReligion you lost me at "war on Christmas" and I stopped viewing at 210 (my bad) I then proceeded to watch the whole thing. As usual, great work! I took of my idiotic comment. You are right and my comment very inappropriate(I tough I was shutting off Christmas Grudge)Silly me...
@nononsenseinrational to tack onto what Discovering Religion, Jesus was not even "born" in decemeber, look it up. a small bit of research will show you when he was "born"
@BetaMaleTim When was he born? did he have a birth certificate?.I think he was created just like is dad, from somebody with vivid imagination. Maybe the man did exist but his story got embellish so much that it's hard to discern from fiction... Also, i should have watch the whole video before leaving my comment. (my bad)
Also that would' n be the only they borrowed. Every religion takes from a previous one,they just ad stuff has they go and plagiarism does not seems bother them in the little.
FUCK ATHEISTS!
MattiasAyd 1 day ago
@MattiasAyd
I know, the truth hurts. But it's nice of you to put your theistic morality on display. Proof that I am better than you.
DiscoveringReligion 14 hours ago
Let me ask the Atheists this question, if you don't believe in God then why are you celebrating Christmas? It's the most religious holiday ever and its meant for religious reasons
DCfreak87 2 weeks ago
@DCfreak87
I made a 15 minute video answering that very question, and guess what? You're commenting on it!
DiscoveringReligion 14 hours ago
How many amazing and wonderful cultures did religion destroy. A terrible and sad loss. Amazing video, thank you!
Strictlypointless 4 weeks ago in playlist View Point
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
MsGoldenGirl5 4 weeks ago in playlist View Point
Wow! I thought I was clear that I wasn't looking for a debate. I'm willing to bet here that nothing I say to defend the Bible, which you challenged me to read, which I have done for the past 25 years, will make a shred of difference regarding your opinion. Why can't you just receive a comment without looking for a fight. I was complimenting you for being decent in your argument & you throw it back at me.
SpankyWeezer 4 weeks ago
This is what I mean by never having met a kind atheist. I could go into all the explanations, but I don't think you're actually interested, so I guess I'm sorry I said anything in the first place.
SpankyWeezer 4 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
Well, you made comments that I felt compelled to address. It's fine if you don't want to debate, but don't give me an invitation by claiming religion was spread by the sword without God's blessing. Throughout the OT God regularly commands the Hebrews to kill non-believers. I've heard all the apologetics and there is nothing anyone can say that would adequately defend the atrocities found in the Bible. Murder, infanticide, rape, slavery etc is never excusable, no matter the reasons.
DiscoveringReligion 4 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Maybe if you cite specific passages, I can understand better what it is you're talking about. I do know this: There were a people that used to sacrifice their children to a god which they would heat up & then place their children in the arms of. God called for the demise of such people. Are you suggesting that was a bad call to punish those who were murdering children? You must also be pro-life I suppose if you are against infanticide. Just wondering . . .
SpankyWeezer 3 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
By the way, the fact I challenge your beliefs is not being rude, it is only the WAY in which I challenge your beliefs that can be considered rude. I have treated you with respect and I have not mocked or denigrated your beliefs. What I say about Biblical atrocities is completely true and can be verified in the Bible itself. Therefore, your claim of never having met a kind atheist is a false if all you do is confuse legitimate questions about your faith as rudeness.
DiscoveringReligion 4 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion I have NO problem discussing my beliefs or being challenged as you put it. I don't judge someone's dimeanor based on their questions as being rude. It's the way they relay those questions, I agree. Believe me when I say, I have ONLY ever talked to ANGRY atheists from the get go of the conversation, not even into the conversation. Several calmed down enough to have a civil conversation, but what is with the ragefest? Why can't we simply agree to disagree?
SpankyWeezer 3 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
Exactly what from my previous comments allows you to infer that I am, as you say, in a "ragefest"? All I said was, "You claim Christianity was spread by the sword without God's blessing, but how do you know?... God regularly kills his enemies, read the Bible." The fact you use words like "ONLY ever", indicates to me that you're a tad hypersensitive. I haven't said anything inflammatory or denigrating, I merely questioned how you know what you claim to know, that's all.
DiscoveringReligion 3 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion You said me claiming to have never met a kind atheist was false. I was referring to the ones that I met when saying "ragefest", not you.
SpankyWeezer 3 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
You asked about my stance on abortion and I don't really want to get into a drawn out debate on this subject, but I'll tell you this: There's a difference between a blastocyst, a developing ball of cells, and fully formed baby. Such a distinction is medically/scientifically proven. However, if you claim such a distinction cannot be made, then you must be consistent in your opposition and protest the use of antibiotics, chemotherapy, and any other substance that kills human cells.
DiscoveringReligion 3 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion A ball of cells is not what can be found when a woman discovers she's pregnant. By the time she is able to find out, there is a heartbeat & steadily growing form. The cells that antibiotics may kill do not have a heartbeat of their own, nor are they a completely different person with their own DNA.
SpankyWeezer 3 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
In a secular society we evaluate actions based whether or not it promotes personal autonomy or produces a detriment to society. A developing fetus does not have autonomy, it is growing inside the woman and it is apart of her body. Therefore, if to continue with the pregnancy is against her will she must not be force to do so. Even though we might disagree with her decision, we have no right to tell someone else what to do with their own body. Morality isn't about passing judgement.
DiscoveringReligion 3 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Well aren't you passing judgement on me by telling me that I'm wrong? So just curious, if abortion is perfectly moral, then why don't they go to the lengths of giving the fetus anesthesia before twisting & pulling it's arms & legs off or before crushing it's skull?
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion If you've ever watched an abortion, you would know full well that the fetus not only attempts to pull away from the instruments but also is in trauma during the procedure before it dies.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion We may not agree on religion, but I feel confident in saying anyone worth their salt in abortion education would know well not to argue that it is not a person & not in pain. Just this week, I read an article citing an abortion doctor who confimed that the images that pro-lifers hold as evidence, are in fact 100% accurate.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion You have to consider also that we as a society tell people what to do with their bodies everyday (i.e. drugs - both legal & illegal, helmet laws, seatbelt aws, suicide . . .) There's many, many laws that inhibit us from doing exactly what we want to do with our bodies. The matter deserves more attention than to simply say, "it's not my body, it's not my business." As a woman, I am equal in value, but superior to no one, and that includes an unborn baby.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
There are many verses in the Bible where God allows and even commands his Chosen People to raid, loot, plunder, rape, murder, and enslave non-believers. Some select verses include: Genesis 7:21-23; Exodus 12:20-21 and 29-30; Numbers 31:7-18 and 26-35; Leviticus 25:39-46; Isaiah 13:15-18; Isaiah 14:21; Hosea 9:11-16; Psalm 137:9; 2 Chronicles 15:12-13; and many, many more. Watch Episodes 19 and 20 of my series for an in-depth examination of these passages.
DiscoveringReligion 3 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Thank you for providing specifics. I will look at all of these passages in context to see what they say & what was going on. Anyone can look at a set of passages of any book in the world & make an inference without reading them in the context they were drawn from.
SpankyWeezer 3 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer
Yes, read the entire passage. In each of these cases God himself punishes sinners (Gen. 7), God specifically commands his followers to loot, rape, and murder others (Numbers 31 and Isaiah 13), or the Bible conveys the desire to inflict incalculable harm on God's enemies (Psalm 137). In all of these cases it is important to note that innocent children are being punished for the sins of others -- they are merely seen as collateral damage. This is evil incarnate, not love and justice.
DiscoveringReligion 3 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Ok, so I read everyone of the passages you cited & with the exception of maybe 2 passages, I saw nothing I disagreed with. There were 2 that I will have to look into further before understanding fully what exactly was going on, but I definitely saw nothing citing God commanding anyone to be raped. There is somuch to be considered when reading these passages & simply not enough room here to dive into. So I'll be brief, since you said you've already heard all the arguments.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Everything in the Bible should be read carefully, intentionally, & objectively. Everything is there for a reason & all ties together (from Old Testament to New Testament, though we are not under the Old Testament according to the Gospels which state the new covenant, or agreement, that Jesus came to put in place by where we are no longer required to atone for our own sins, realizing that we can't, but can be forgiven because of His choice to die in our place once & for all).
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion I think the whole study of the Bible should start with this question: How did we get here? Once you get to the bottom of this question, you are able to search the rest of it from a different point-of-view. Even science's own laws of probability contradict themselves in macro-evolution. I know this is a tangent, but it's worth mentioning considering if we determine that there is in fact a God, and He did in fact create the world, then what was His purpose?
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion If we can determine His purpose, we can study these other things within that context. If I know His purpose, I'm going to approach His Words differently than if I have no knowledge of Him at all. The cruelties that happen in the Bible are brought on by sin, & specifically sinful people. They have a choice. Choices have repercussions & consequences. As a parent, my choices affect my children, whether I like it or not. It is not God's fault how I choose to live my life.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion Though I saw nothing that stated anyone being commanded to rape anyone. And I did see that people sold themselves as slaves, then were ordered by God to be treated as family. There was some history behind some of these passages that I found & they didn't support a cruel relationship towards "slaves". People chose this occupation if you wanna call it that for different reasons, mostly to pay off debt. It's not like the slavery we saw in our country's early history.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@SpankyWeezer May I just add, that I'm not saying there was never an instance of a slave being mistreated. It just wasn't at the request of God to do so.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion In closing, I think you can find the answers you're looking for within the pages of Scripture. I don't know everything otherwise I'd be God & I certainly am not qualified to be that. There is a reason that it has stood the test of time & that hundreds of prophecies written over hundreds of years of time came to pass & were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus.
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
@DiscoveringReligion The only thing I think you & I will agree upon is this: we simply disagree. No ill feelings on my part. If I could, I'd shake your hand, & thank you for the dialogue. :)
SpankyWeezer 2 weeks ago
As a Born-again Evangelical Christian, we obviously don't see eye to eye on our core beliefs. I do agree with some of what was presented here as far as history goes. I too think it's a shame that early Christians used the sword as a tool of conversion. Clearly, they did so without the blessing of God.
SpankyWeezer 1 month ago
I won't get into a debate, but simply wanted to say thank you for being civil in sharing your atheistic viewpoint. I have NEVER met a kind atheist & I have met many. For the most part, they have all been raging, name-calling, sarcastically-fueled, & downright cruel in discussing their views. So at the very least, thank you for being able to discuss your views in a manner worthy of conversation. :)
SpankyWeezer 1 month ago
@SpankyWeezer
I believe in civil discourse, but I've experienced the same behavior in the way of name-calling, attacks on my character, and the spewing of obscenities from Christians as well.
You claim Christianity was spread by the sword without God's blessing, but how do you know? God slaughters his enemies countless times throughout the Bible. The fact pagan groups were conquered was evidence for the Christians that they were doing God's work. God regularly kills his enemies, read the Bible.
DiscoveringReligion 1 month ago
I had not noticed the fact that you had made a commentary edit about the scientific error in your modelling , so my apologies.
However my statement still holds true that when you are trying to push back ignorance we must be mindful of not replacing one misunderstanding with another no matter how well intentioned.
It's a statistical fact that a large number of adults (even highly educated college graduates) persist in the belief that in Summer we are closer to the sun and in Winter farther.
OkamsRazer 2 months ago
When in fact this is actually opposite (from our perspective in the Northern Hemisphere) since we are closer in Winter (by a meager average of about 7 million miles, which doesn't mean much in the vaccuum of space, it makes the lights trip about 30 seconds longer...pffft).
For those people in the Southern Hemisphere they actually do have Summer when we are closer but its merely incidental not causative.
OkamsRazer 2 months ago
Serious flaw with your video dude. You are giving the ignorant theists the impression that Earth tilts back and forth when in reality its always tilted in precisely the same way (an angular measure of about 23 degrees) the difference being which side is more directly facing the sun during our orbit. The Earth NEVER is completely "vertical" as you depicted, this is going to cause the same sort of ignorance as the common misconception that the seasons are based on planets distance to the sun.
OkamsRazer 2 months ago
See what happens when you support schools and education, LOL you find the truth! I knew something was a rye a long time ago. You see for thousands of years you could not dispute the church even Cosmologist had to be careful of what they found out to be truths, or they might find themselves dead or exiled, and both have been done. The problem is people of faith have the same mentality as the church and they don't like the feeling of being duped for so long. Pride and Intelligence challenged.
James1toknow 2 months ago
Great video! I have always celebrated Xmas since I was a child to be a holiday of being loving and caring, that's the only thing. And being an atheist shouldn't stop you from having fun during this time of the year!
Fashion4life 2 months ago
Non-believers, be happy knowing that our "ancestors" are not fooling anyone now. The reason for Xmas is to celebrate the Savior's birth. All the minutiae that atheists use to attack it is a moot point. So we will celebrate the spirituallity and you can elucidate til the cows come home. Enjoy your solstice, Merry Christmas and peace be with you.
Redskin1040 2 months ago
I agree a million%! Thank u!
julzabro 2 months ago
I'm an atheist, but I enjoy the holiday season as much as anyone. I don't go to church, but I give gifts to the people I love. I don't pray to god, but I celebrate the joy and happiness that comes with being with family and friends, some whom I only see during this season because they don't live in my city. I love watching the excitement of children when opening their gifts. I love that people can make an extra effort to be charitable and kind during this season. So I love the holidays.
8698gil 2 months ago
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AngieCummingTV 2 months ago
I decided to watch this again. Since its almost the holidays.
wilsonseto1 2 months ago
Crap, now I'm starting to agree with you.
Meh, it's not like Christianity/Catholicism isn't already corrupt. I blame the Constantine & Julius. But fine, if this is backed up by facts I don't see why it can't be true. However, I'll just ask you if you are implying that we're all ignorant.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
...a bitchy rant with false facts towards the end. So congratulations of posing lies, you false prophet.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
ALSO, whoever said (other than Fundamentalists) that non-Christians and atheists couldn't celebrate Christmas? Christmas is also about families being together, not just the birth of Jesus. Stop trying to makes us look like idiots with tyrannic tendencies. You can say that my religion is a 'fraud' (which I find very insulting) and how atheists should laugh at us (which makes it look like atheists are pricks) but don't you dare staple every single one of us as ignorant because this video became...
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
So, this video is called Christmas Card from and Atheist right? Basically 100% of this video was about paganism, which is any religion outside the Abrahamic ones. So I don't know how atheism comes into this for you. Secondly the feast of Saturnalia is celebrated between the 17th and the 23rd of December. The pagan feast helped influence the church to fix the date of Christmas, not rip off the feast all together. Not only that, but Christmas hasn't always been on the 25th December.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@SonicTurbo97
You said, "Christmas is also about families being together, not just the birth of Jesus." Exactly! But Christians have hijacked it. I know many non-Christians that do not celebrate X-mas and feel left out b/c it's promoted as purely a Christian holiday. This video was for THEM, not you. I am simply showing others that it's OK to celebrate this day, b/c in the end it's all just pointless fun. I've never been called a false prophet before, what was my prophecy again? LOL, FAIL.
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
By the way, post your comments in response to my comment and then to your previous comment, otherwise I will delete your posts. I cannot stand it when people do this. Watch this video if you do not understand what I mean: watch?v=i9V7xMdgIQk
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
I call people false prophets all the time. I think it's just hilarious as an insult...you false prophet. If this video wasn't for me, you wouldn't have said "for all of you Christians watching this" at the end. Also, nobody said (ofther than the Fundamentalists) that you guys couldn't celebrate Christmas. The only thing Christians 'hijacked' is the date, and even then it isn't even within the time period of Saturnalia OR the Winter Solistice.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@SonicTurbo97
Besides, Christmas hasn't always been celebrated on the 25th December. It was only until Constantine came that he changed it to the 25th to align with other pagan celebrations. So we didn't steal anything.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@SonicTurbo97
The "false prophet" insult is even funnier to the people you use it against, because it makes absolutely no sense within the context you are trying to use it. A better word would be "infidel", but even that would not offend me. You can't offend me with something I fundamentally reject. Christians were not my target audience, but I did address them in the video. So what? I never said Christians claim it's a private holiday, but people of other beliefs still feel excluded. Get it?
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
No one knew when to celebrate Christ's birth. There was never an official date until the Church declared it to be Dec 25th. Constantine never "changed" the date. Tell me, what official date was Christmas celebrated BEFORE they "changed it"? Furthermore, Christ was believe to be born in the summer, but the Church picked Dec 25th, out of 364 other possible days of the year, so they could FORCE all the pagans observing the solstice to celebrate Jesus' birth by default. = Stolen
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DR
You said, "The only thing Christians 'hijacked' is the date, and even then it isn't even within the time period of Saturnalia OR the Winter Solistice." LOL What? In 46 BCE Julius Caesar established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice of Europe in the Julian calendar. Then 400 years later the date was hijacked by Roman Christians. Do you display evergreen plants, light candles, give gifts, hang stocking, etc, etc, etc??? EVERYTHING about Christmas was stolen from the pagans. Derp!
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
"It is cosmic symbolism...which inspired the Church leadership in Rome to elect the winter solstice, December 25, as the birthday of Christ, and the summer solstice as that of John the Baptist, supplemented by the equinoxes as their respective dates of conception. While they were aware that pagans called this day the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus, this did not concern them and it did not play any role in their choice of date for Christmas" - S.E. Hijmans
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@SonicTurbo97
Tell me why this isn't any less possible than what you're implying.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
Fine, you're a 'minion of the AntiChrist'. Happy now?
And why would they feel left out? If other non-Abrahamic people celebrate it then why can't they? They're just leaving themselves out of it for no reason.
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@SonicTurbo97
I'm a minion of what? I told you I reject the fiction of Christian mythology. You might as well call me a minion of Bugs Bunny, it would have just as much meaning for me. The "cosmic symbolism" hypothesis is less plausible because it's not based on fact. Pagans were celebrating Dec 25th many hundreds of years before Christ's birth, which was during the SUMMER. Gift giving, evergreens, & the date itself have pagan origins. The festival surrounding Christmas is non-Christian.
DiscoveringReligion 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion
Jeez, I'm trying to make this place more lighthearted. Stop shooting it down, watch Friends and see where I got if from :/
And if this is the case, then I might as well agree with you. The religion has gotten messed up over the years. For me, insults to the religion itself isn't really skin off my back anymore. I just get really riled up when people mock my faith and beliefs.
Nice we had this debate :)
SonicTurbo97 2 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion, Ummm Christmas i.e. Christ. We celebrate the birth of Christ. Which any historian will tell you actually happened.
JerryAsshaire 3 months ago
@JerryAsshaire
Troll.
DiscoveringReligion 3 months ago
Incorrect. Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ. Easter is to celebrate the resurrection of Christ. Santa, decorations, easter egg hunting, was just traditions adopted later on. The origin of Christmas is the birth of Christ. Stop trying to dilute the meaning of Christmas with this garbage.
JerryAsshaire 3 months ago
@JerryAsshaire
I'm afraid every historian would disagree with you. Don't take my word for it. Go look it up, read a history book, do ANYTHING other than just sitting there spouting nonsense without having any facts to back it up. By the way, you have a great last name.
DiscoveringReligion 3 months ago
If only Constantine knew what he was unleashing to the world, even hundreds of years after he died...
wojciechkolacinski 4 months ago
This was amazing. I'll be sending this out over Facebook and G+ this year.
martini1179 4 months ago
Burn baby Burn, it's just eternal.. You know, there is probably only such much room on the "Spaceship of Heaven" ... said metaphorically of course, and it probably needs a lot of fuel, like nuclear fusion of organic matter, so believe what your want to. As far as astronomy, if you are just figuring that out now, go buy a coloring book and start over. You want some proof. search Bethlehem Star. If you're going to read text, download a Dale Carnegie Class and practice a little.
mclimbaugh 4 months ago
I asked if you had ever seen Zeitgeist. I think I saw a couple scenes from that . Nice!
swampfox27 4 months ago
Fiiiirst, FIIIIIIRST!... Who cares when and where christmas started. Celebrate it if you want but don't justify it. That's just pathetic
Hreinn91 4 months ago
@Hreinn91
I find it much more "pathetic" being a mindless robot that engages in pointless traditions when there is no logic to them. I celebrate Christmas because it is fun, not because I want to honor a star baby that was horribly tortured in order to redeem the original sin of eating a magical piece of fruit. I am conscious of the tradition in which I am engaging, I care about the reasons I do things, and those that don't justify their actions are mindless sheep following other non-thinkers.
DiscoveringReligion 4 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion We're not on the same page and I'm afraid we wont be able to reach a mutual understanding. I just for the life of me don't understand why so many Atheists are so fascinated by religion and I firmly believe that those who are indulging most in debates against religious people are those who used to believe this dumb shit to begin with. The war on Christmas is silly and we don't need atheists to feed the fire
Hreinn91 4 months ago
@Hreinn91
Why wouldn't ANYONE be fascinated with this subject? The question of existence applies to EVERYONE, no matter their religious affiliation or lack there of. It's pretty shallow to assume only the religious are allowed to engage in such debate. And what "dumb shit" are you referring to? I used to be a Christian, but I stopped believing in that "dumb shit" around the same time I figured out Santa Claus didn't exist. This video is not a war on Christmas, it's just a simple history lesson.
DiscoveringReligion 4 months ago
The Amazing Atheist talked about this point too. There's a good amount of reason to have a seasonal celebration, and I think that non-believers should be willing and allowed to participate. The season has become part of our culture, and has really lost most of it's religious meaning.
Of course, I am pissed off when someone jams Merry Christmas down the throat of someone with the utter GALL to say "Happy Holidays."
StealthMarmot 4 months ago
Christmas was hijacked by the christians. It was a pagan holiday.
Lady0Pamela 5 months ago
wow christians are all really a bunch of closed minded retards
kilroywuzhere1 8 months ago
I'm an atheist and I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE christmas. Jesus was actually born sometime in march I think. At least the person we believe to be jesus was. And the earths tilt dosn't change but when it revolves around the sun, a different side of the earth is leaning towards the sun which causes the seasons.
pianoman8778 8 months ago
I'm an atheist and I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE christmas.
pianoman8778 8 months ago
Hahaha the Merry Nothing santa hat on Richard Dawkins had me rolling.
centraldrummer 8 months ago
I don´t even celebrate Xmas...I visit my family peepz but I don´t feel anything special about that day.
NKA23 9 months ago
Well said/done ★★★★★
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
I still love God. I wish you knew...
AlyssaIsAlive 1 year ago
JESUS IS LORD!!!! AND ALIVE!!!!! EVERYTIME I PRAY TO HIM, HE ANSWERS!!!! HE IS THE SON OF GOD!!!! THE BIBLE SAIDS IN HOSEA 4:6 "My PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE"
Alisteph06 1 year ago
@Alisteph06
Man, if Jesus answers your prayers, you are schizophrenic.
NKA23 9 months ago 2
@Alisteph06 It is time to seek medical help.
Lady0Pamela 4 months ago
I found Jesus. He was dead on a cross.
brokenscimitar 1 year ago
love your videos dude.
justinoakley999 1 year ago
Two important points: If I may?
1) Whether this was a Pagan time (December 25), I know not. Whether it was when Jesus was actually born, I know not. But; I personally celebrate Chistmas after Christ. i. e. Christ-mas. And that is what I do know!
2) Christ did not teach Christianity. Nor did he teach Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, Yule Logs or such. However, no matter how unimportant it is to many, he did teach Truth.
Why is it chosen, by some, to avoid this, using sarcasm and false knowledge?
2gointruth 1 year ago
you make baby jesus cry lol jk, nice vid, thanks for posting
gbleines 1 year ago
Great vid!
bandoli66 1 year ago
Excellent video! But, was this video made by the same people who made Zeitgeist? They make the same mistakes. Sun/Son only works in English, which I'm sure wasn't spoken in the 1st-3rd century Mediterranean region. Also, to be a bit nit-picky, the Earth's axis maintains the same orientation throughout its orbit of the Sun. The graphic in the video makes it look like the axis rocks back and forth throughout the year.
joe3eagles 1 year ago
@joe3eagles
I'm glad you enjoyed my video, but I did not make Zeitgiest. If you closely watch my video I never state that because Jesus is the "Son" of God this means he is the "Sun". The Bible refers to Jesus as the "Sun of Righteousness", which is a reference to the Roman sun god, Sol Invictus. Also, in my video I only show the relation of the Earth's equator to the sun. I didnt mean to suggest the Earth actually tilts back and forth on its axis. The Earth always maintains a 23 degree tilt.
DiscoveringReligion 1 year ago 2
@DiscoveringReligion
... As the Earth's equator enters the same plane as the centre of the Sun ...
...and then it begins to once again tilt forward ...
There is no way that the equator's plane could line up with the centre of the Sun with the constant tilt of the earth. It is never this way in relation to the sun. So why show a diagram as such and say it as well?
Finally, joe3eagles, someone commented on that! lol
mattfarthing5150 1 year ago
@mattfarthing5150
Because it was too difficult for me to animate. Hence, I put a note in the video and a link to a more accurate explanation.
DiscoveringReligion 1 year ago
@DiscoveringReligion hey sorry man, if you can tell in my comment i was defending you to someone saying that the axis doesnt wobble. im not sure how i made the mistake of posting my comment on yours, but now i cant even find the comment i was trying to answer. youre doing a great job, keep it up
aarontheman9196 6 months ago
@aarontheman9196
Ah thanks man. :) Haha. Well I thought you had directed the comment at me, but then later I went back and deleted it.
DiscoveringReligion 6 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion don't know if you'll read this but check out a you tube channel "reborndead" and watch his "truth about religion" videos. I think you'll like them and it's relevant to joe3eagles question here.
timrice666 8 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion 1 im gunna answer this one for the guy who made this. its not showing that the earth's axis changes. i would ask you, to pick up a globe, one that shows the axs, and put a ball on the floor to represent the sun. as the earth rotates around the sun, the axis stays still. so during the summer months, the earth is leaning toward the sun at an angle. however, this axis does not turn to face the sun. it stays still as the earth rotates. so by the time winter is here, the earth is
aarontheman9196 6 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion 2 on the other side of the sun. because the earth's tilt does not rotate to face the sun, it is now pointing away from the sun. in spring and fall the axis apears to be straight from the point of view show in the video, but it isnt. it is mearly tilting away from the point of view, showing none of the tilt from side to side. this makes it appear to be a straight line, but only from the perspective this illustration shows. hope that little bit of grade school science helps ;)
aarontheman9196 6 months ago
@joe3eagles I think u'll find the axis does change, hence the seasons.
Excessum117 10 months ago
The 23.5 degree orientation of the axis's tilt does not change. Only the orientation of the axis toward the sun. In the northern hemisphere summer, the north pole of the axis is oriented toward the sun. In the southern hemisphere summer the south pole of the axis in oriented toward the sun. It takes a half-revolution around the sun for this to occur.
@DiscoveringReligion : Sorry, didn't mean to cause an uproar over such a trivial issue. :)
joe3eagles 10 months ago
@joe3eagles Well to be more accurate, the 23.5 degree orientation of the earth's axis doesn't change NOTICEABLY. At least within the usual human timescales.
joe3eagles 10 months ago
@joe3eagles
wOOt?
23.5 degree orientation....that´s amazing.
23.5=23.(2+3).....Damn it, they´re EVERYWHERE....;-)
NKA23 9 months ago
@joe3eagles
also the "tilting doesn't stop 22e to 25e" it just goes slower.
weswes666 10 months ago
... We're gonna' need a bigger card...
QuikVidGuy 1 year ago
Yes, it's hypocritical. I have no problem with celebrating Christmas if you're respectul of Christians' beliefs. But if you mock CHRIST, why are you celebrating CHRISTmas? This bunk about it being Saturnalia 500 years ago is laughable and so transparent, like teenagers trying to justify the short-sighted stuff they do by rationalization, etc.
Be true to your convictions and don't celebrate CHRISTmas.
Sweet92Sue 1 year ago
@Sweet92Sue
"CHRISTmas", as you call it, wasnt invent until over 300 years after Jesus was said to have existed. Look it up! Furthermore, the Winter Solstice was celebrated thousands of years before anyone ever uttered the name Jesus Christ. Atheists don't celebrate Christmas, we celebrate the Winter Solstice by displaying everngree trees, wreaths, and exchanging presents. These activities have nothing to do with your Savior, but rather, have their roots in Pagan traditions.
DiscoveringReligion 1 year ago 12
@DiscoveringReligion Atheist celebrate the winter solstice? thats the biggest piece of bullshit I've heard in a long time.
Imnon1 1 year ago
@Imnon1
Evergreens and gift giving having nothing to do with the birth of your star child savior. We are all inadvertently celebrating the solstice, whether we know it or not. However, being an atheist, I do not display any imagery that is associated with Christ -- no nativity, no midnight mass, none of it. Therefore, when I decorate an evergreen and give presents to my friends/family, I am performing a pagan ritual that began hundreds, if not thousands, of years BC. Educate yourself, fool.
DiscoveringReligion 1 year ago 4
@DiscoveringReligion, Just Curious, have you seen the first part of Zeitgeist and did you get same info from that movie and put it in this episode.
yxrcbszg 3 months ago
@Imnon1
Yeah and you worshiping something in the sky is much more credible? Now I could say that is bullshit too but unlike you I don't like insulting others because I get butthurt and have no comeback.
ThePrinceOfMoose 1 year ago
@ThePrinceOfMoose I never said I was christian, or religious at all. Don't judge people unless you actually know shit about them.
Imnon1 1 year ago
@DiscoveringReligion people also celebrated it at the stonehenge! yes. well said.
HUNAdamus94 11 months ago
@DiscoveringReligion in dutch, it's called ''kerstmis'', it has no reference to jesus whatsoever.
MrWaddefak 5 months ago in playlist Meer video's van DiscoveringReligion
Great as always!
guitarfreak8900 1 year ago
The Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, entered time and history through the Incarnation.
"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).
Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Mark 1:1, Romans 1:4), is a gift of love from the Father for the salvation of the world (John 3:16-17), the one who died for all of mankind (2 Corinthians 5:15), our "Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:21).
valu777 1 year ago
Good vid. Let the kids enjoy it. Just call it solstice or midwinter if you are bothered with the current associations, that pretty much worked for millennia already :)
edudzzaj 1 year ago
Sadly for christians, christmas was a germanic holiday to celebrate surviving the harsh winter by decorating trees and having feasts. Christians simply adopted this holiday so that the tribes that were conquered by them, wouldn't try to murder them all in an act of rebellion.
88gertjan88 1 year ago
@88gertjan88 how does adopting the holiday stop the tribes froms trying to murder them?
Imnon1 1 year ago
@Imnon1 It lowers the resistance amongst the members of the tribes since the introduction of christianity didn't totally change their culture. And when there isn't much difference except the worship of a different god, people didn't experience it all as a real take-over, therefore they felt less like rebelling against their new leaders. It's a political trade-off, they get to keep a few from their traditions and you get to enforce a few new laws.
88gertjan88 1 year ago
Io, Saturnalia!
tipoomaster 1 year ago
If this man want's to celebrate Christmas, regardless of him being an atheist..It's his right. There is no written law that states a non-christian cannot celebrate Christmas. Great vid!
gumdokim 1 year ago
Thanks
Head2ToeTheatrical 1 year ago
Great video. As a neopagan, I actually always find it funny (and odd) how some people love to try and ‘lord over’ the whole winter season. Everyone has their holiday to one extent or another, let them celebrate and have fun. To me, its just the Winter Solstice, the metaphorical ‘rebirth of the Sun.’ Again, as always, great video!
GestaltChimera 1 year ago
Even among the self-called christians, if they not follow the true orders of Jesus, it's just another religion...
GedoMazou 1 year ago
@proceo12 Because the world is under the will of evil, and everything that comes from satan, darkness, the world accept it, but the things that comes from Jesus it rejects and deny it, included Jesus himself... I see no one persecuting the satanism, spiritualism, and everything that comes from the darkness, isn't that? Any religion is a false, cuz religion is a attempt of man to serve God by his own precepts.
GedoMazou 1 year ago
@proceo12 That's the main excuse of every atheist... So many signs of a world immersed in darkness, drugs, kills, rage, diseases, violence, wars, racism, avarice, and mainly, hate for the name of Jesus and the existence of God... What to do if the only way to approach to Him is by faith, but if you want visual proofs, just look around you...
GedoMazou 1 year ago
@GedoMazou I look around and I see Christianity trying to dominate my life. I don't hate Jesus, I have no reason to even recognize him. Violence is not the crime of the unbeliever, it's mostly a crime of faith. Almost every major religion, including Christianity, has been the source of a war and/or genocide.
PauliePockett 1 year ago
@PauliePockett How is it trying to dominate you?
GedoMazou 1 year ago
@GedoMazou My family and friends and my friends friends constantly bombard me with scripture in the hopes I will convert. For some reason people just can't leave and atheist alone.
PauliePockett 1 year ago
@GedoMazou This is far from proving anything, and your statements have so many fallacies I'm not sure where to begin.
Hasty generalization, poisoning of the well, attacking strawmen, appeal to emotion, appeal to consequence, special pleading.
As you have broadly generalized me as I am atheist, I will reply: I have no quarrel with your god, just with ignorant followers. Lying and stealing is against your commandments, so you might want to educate yourself in history to avoid nr 7&8
God Jul :)
edudzzaj 1 year ago
His point is pretty weak unless your ignorant. It's OK to celebrate Christmas because people who had different religious/spiritual beliefs than Christians did it before. I think it makes no sense.
I am atheist and anti-religious. If you're truly an atheist you should realize that all religions and spiritualities are the same. They are there to explain things we cannot. We cannot explain those things! Why believe in any of them? I still hate Christmas and everything it stands for.
dnaisinmybody 1 year ago
Tell the children that Santa is god. Then when they are 5 or 6 and they find out there is no Santa, they will understand that there is no god either.
bimmjim 1 year ago
Beautiful.
ItaliaEmo 1 year ago
love this video
jpc08109 1 year ago
What's the difference between this video and your Origin and Symbolism of Christian Holy Days video?
ptfern 1 year ago
Satan has countless ways to cheat us, trying to make us discredit in God or creating false religions, with its false doctrines, like the christmas, a pagan celebration mixed to the true cult, to the name of Jesus. They say that Jesus was birth december 25, no one can prove it, and it doesn't even matter, the point is that He rise of death and everyone that believe in it is gonna be save...
GedoMazou 1 year ago
Jesus Never Existed
yuo252 1 year ago
@yuo252 How did you discovered that? Can you even prove it?
GedoMazou 1 year ago
I won't remember jesus at christmas, I will simply have a good time with my family, hopefully.
daemonowner 1 year ago
And as we say in Denmark: Glædelig Jul og godt Nytår
Litteral translation: Happy Yule and a good new year.
AGrandt 1 year ago
"The War on Xmas" is something that is solely run by the Christian right and Faux News. They are the ones banging the drums of war year after year, and even the most minute display from non-Christians are being drummed up to epic proportions my these people.
AGrandt 1 year ago
you guys (christians) believe in talking snakes. a person i know was put into a mental hospital because he thought he saw talking snakes....if we're going to put him into a mental hospital, then i say we put all christians in mental hospitals.
ctdrums1 1 year ago
christmas is my favourite pagean religon
lordnuck33 1 year ago
It is an appeal to emotion, but on this subject I have to agree. I have no interest in the christmas myths (of whatever kind) I just like the traditional festivities.
Sahrinzs 1 year ago
Just to nitpick, Constantine won a cataclysmic civil war that nearly destroyed the Empire, and he picked the religion he felt would best reunify the various peoples of Rome. Otherwise it's pretty accurate. :)
Telpy 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this! Very informative. Made me feel much better about these holidays.
ChampagneCandles 1 year ago
A very good Video.
You portrayed this far better than I ever could have done.
Far to many times have I had to explain to others on why I celebrate Christmas, even though I'm an Atheist.
Now I have a reference video to point them towards, which will hopefully make them understand.
Thank you.
BenitoraSan 1 year ago 2
Beautifully done & well presented. As an atheistic pantheist, I would love to see a return to giving praise & thanks to the natural world which surrounds us & all of it's wondrous processes. I'll definitely be sharing this video with my loved ones this Holiday season as I am sure they could use the enlightenment. Peace. :-)
hollyspry 1 year ago
Thanks for the post great vid!
5032sac 1 year ago
very informative! great video as always
ryanneglect 1 year ago
Just a little FYI. The tilt of the earth doesn't actually shift. The shift is apparent in relation to our revolution around the sun. The tilt stays at 23.5º and as we revolve around the sun that constant angle changes in relation to the sun, but the pitch of the earth doesn't change. If it even shifted by less than 1º it would be catastrophic to life on earth because of the effect it would have on Weather Patterns. Trust me I am a Weather Forecaster.
tenaciousbt1 1 year ago
@tenaciousbt1 I'm glad you said it, because I was just watching that part and thought the same thing!
downturn66 1 year ago
Amazing video. Great effort all together
ABONESR 1 year ago
Christmas is cool and all.. but I still like Halloween better.
RottenNinja 1 year ago
i celebrate everything, as long as i don't have to go to work! besides there's no harm in celebrating and having fun for fucks sake
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
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nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
@nononsenseinrational
Ummm, did you WATCH this video? Christmas and everything about it did not "come out of Christianity." Christmas is entirely of pagan origin.
DiscoveringReligion 1 year ago 30
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nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
@DiscoveringReligion you lost me at "war on Christmas" and I stopped viewing at 210 (my bad) I then proceeded to watch the whole thing. As usual, great work! I took of my idiotic comment. You are right and my comment very inappropriate(I tough I was shutting off Christmas Grudge)Silly me...
nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
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@DiscoveringReligion 'All hail the power of Jesus' Name,
Let angels prostrate fall,
Bring forth the Royal Diadem
And crown Him Lord of all.'
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'What a friend we have in Jesus,
All our sins and griefs to bear;
What a privilege to carry
Everything to God in prayer.'
valu777 1 year ago
@DiscoveringReligion
Nononono....Christmas is the celebration of Jesus´ birth.
We got a divine source of information so everything we say is right.
OUR GOD IS FRAKKING SCARIER THAN YOUR SCIENCE!
;-)
NKA23 9 months ago
@nononsenseinrational to tack onto what Discovering Religion, Jesus was not even "born" in decemeber, look it up. a small bit of research will show you when he was "born"
BetaMaleTim 1 year ago
@BetaMaleTim When was he born? did he have a birth certificate?.I think he was created just like is dad, from somebody with vivid imagination. Maybe the man did exist but his story got embellish so much that it's hard to discern from fiction... Also, i should have watch the whole video before leaving my comment. (my bad)
Also that would' n be the only they borrowed. Every religion takes from a previous one,they just ad stuff has they go and plagiarism does not seems bother them in the little.