4 year old boy asking help about math subtraction to 911 officer

[MyDino2010]

Hahahaha, this is so cute! When im an officer, I hope a kid asks me for a problem just like this kid..

[nunya43]

he sounds older then 4

[MegaUnfunny]

oh bless the operator, he doesn't just hang up he actually helps the kid haha

[errorspending]

that's a complete non-sequitur. I just got to the fundamental point of my arguments in my last post, and your going to completely switch gears?? lame

I agree that it is questionable if parenting is getting better in recent times. I concede that point.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending you were comparing children to alzheimers patients. thats unfair, and it implies that the alzheimers patients will improve their faculties

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms It's not unfair. It's either a valid comparison or it isn't. Let's say there was a person with brain damage from an accident who was slowly recovering and gaining full reasoning skills again. Would you yell at them or spank them?

[Eeemansocks98]

" I don't know , one? " , THE CUTEST THING EVER.

[Eeemansocks98]

@transformersfan9876 dude , what girl's name is Johnny ?? its a boy , OBVIOUSLY

[RobNYYankees]

@transformersfan9876 - How many girls do you know named Johnny? It's obviously a little boy on the phone.

[agbff4life]

awww

[okpapereat]

Lol whats 5 take away 5 emmm did he say 5 :) lol that was funny

[errorspending]

poor kid. mom's yelling at him for doing what she told him to do. He's 4!! give him a break!

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending well to be fair, innocent though he may have been, he could have been endangering lives , and the gripe session he likely got afterwards might encourage him to not do that again

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms sorry that is the worst response you could have given. You're right it might encourage him not to do it again, out of FEAR OF HIS MOTHER. That is the whole problem with the world. Parents use bullying instead of rational talking. If that woman's mother had dementia and was calling the police about silly things, do you think it would be right for her to yell at her impaired mother?!! Yet, everyone says you have to yell at children or spank them to get them

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending you dont think its good for a child to be afraid of his parents? how do you deal with a child who thinks it is okay to talk back to their parents, ever? you think rational talking is going to solve that problem?

also, the irony in you lauding rational talking, then moving immediately to a group of people incapable of processing it...

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms No I think it's absolutely horrible. Quote on quote "talking back" is what kids do because they recognize that their parents are bullying them and the kids are trying to take a stand for their perspective. Parents should be encouraging any and all feedback from their children. "Talking back" between two friends or two lovers is simply known as a conversation. It should not be different for children.

[errorspending]

I know that it will be hard for you to accept this because most people like to imagine that their parents did a good job, but the fact is, they did not know what they were doing (the very fact that you think "talking back" is a bad thing is a dead giveaway for bad parenting. Don't feel bad though - I was also told not to talk back, like every other person). Though parenting has gotten better over the centuries, it is still lagging terribly.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending ok, i'll bite.  how is talking back to your superiors a good thing? especially the two superiors responsible for turning you into a functioning member of society and not becoming some deviant?

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms Children are the last great minority that will one day be treated as equals, instead of pets to be bossed around, shown off, fed and played with. ccps.info- good info about how to solve problems with kids without enforcing your will with top-down authority.

[errorspending]

Can you tell me what you mean by superior because it's kind of vague. What is superior about them.? And if it's a rule that people that are better at certain things get to boss around people that are less skilled, then can you tell me how you've applied that in your life? Do you boss around other adults who are worse at tennis? Worse at public speaking? Worse at driving? Please clarify...

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending superiors: parents(at least till you move out), your boss at work, etc.

you talk back to your boss when he tells you to do something, normally you get some form of reprimand.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending not to mention if we hadn't actually heard the mother people would be railing on her for 'abandoning her child' or some stupid crap like that.

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms - to stop doing something because they don't respond to reasoning? Nonsense....if you would yell all people with alzheimers then I guess I understand your position. But if you would not yell at old people who don't have great reasoning skills then you absolutely cannot yell at children. Yelling is abuse...do some research on anger management.

[ringmaster316ms]

what would you suggest this woman have done? my vote is simple. sit him down, then find a way to communicate that what he did could have gotten someone killed, and that 911 wasn't for math problems. if the incident repeated itself, then break out the spankings, as rationalizing obviously would have failed at that point.

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms Can you imagine a wife saying to her husband "Don't you dare talk back to me!" And that it was a good thing to say this in any circumstance?? It's a total lack of respect for the person on the receiving end to tell them to not talk back. you are in essence saying, your thoughts and feelings do not matter to me one bit, all I care about is that I get my way. That my friend, is not love.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending wife/husband =/= mother/child. for one thing, husband and wife are supposed to be a team. if theyre not, things are liable to be more difficult than normal. parenting for instance. imagine how fucked up things will be if say, mom says the teenager can be out till 11:30, but dad wants them back in at 9.

Now, as for mother/child. No, the child's thoughts and feelings shouldnt matter.  Not in this case. Stop the kid from endagering his fellow humans at all cost.

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms Do you honestly think that if the mom calmly said to her child that she thought other people could get hurt by him making that phone call, and explained that it could cost the family money in fines etc...and really spent time making sure the kid understood why he shouldn't do what he was doing, that it would be less effective than screaming? Does screaming usually help in your personal relationships with friends or lovers?

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending that all depends on the child. like i said, try the rationalizing first. her animated reaction, especially after realizing her son had just called 911 for help with math is understandable, but for all we know, once the phone was hung up, she could have explained what was wrong with what he was doing. but he can't be calling 911 for non emergency issues, and if method 1 fails for teaching him that, try something else. i think given what we heard, that she would

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending have been able to explain things to him, he seems intelligent enough.

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms Exactly..that's why she should not have started screaming. The kid is obviously developed enough to have a conversation, but instead she jumped straight to screaming. But if you could respond to my other arguments, that would be great. to your answers so far - 1) A boss is not like a parent. Deciding to work for a company is a voluntary exchange that either party can leave - you agree to do what they say in exchange for money. Children are not given a choice of parents

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending okay, presumably she came in, and saw him on the phone. he's obviously been told before not to be playing on the phone. i also noticed that yeah, while she did start screaming, she calmed down as the clip continued

[errorspending]

Do you think you were just a naturally disobedient child that had all kinds of bad desires that needed to be squelched by your parents? Or, do you think you just didn't really respect your parents wishes, so if there was no incentive to comply, except in order to avoid a spanking?

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending i think children generally test their limits with their parents. for example, my store example. i ran off a couple times, and after they had to find me i could tell they werent happy, and yeah, i got an earful. lesson learned, don't run off in the store. i wouldnt have understood the danger i put myself in when i left their sight if they had told me about it, but the desire to not get griped at sufficed until later when i came to understand.

[errorspending]

i have to give you credit. That was a very nice way to dodge the question. :P So, I'm inferring from your response that they did not sit you down and have a civil conversation with you about this, warning you of the (low percentage) dangers of kidnappings. And you claim to have been too young to understand. Yet somehow, magically, you were fully able to understand the repercussions of your actions, when it came to a much more real threat! - spankings from your parents.Do you see the paradox

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending closest i got to one of those was my dad telling me in a rather animated tone that somebody could have picked me up and run off with me after they finally hunted me down. for all i knew, he could have been talking about some demon or a monster out of the superhero shows i used to watch. scared the fuck out of me, and instead of running off on my own, would try to get one of them to go with me, but if not, i was stuck there. maybe not the best way to go, but the general

[errorspending]

being upset with a child after the fact for running off is completely irrational. If you think the child is too young to understand a conversation about the dangers of running off, HOW IN GODS NAME WOULD THE CHILD KNOW TO THINK OF THAT BEFORE HAND????

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending not necessarily upset with me, but consider i had run off to god knows where, and for all they knew, I HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED. that's not anger, that's fear.

[errorspending]

all I know is that if my child disappeared and I found them, I would be overwhelmed with joy and relief and I would shower them with love. There's no way in hell I would tell them about how much stress they caused me and how close to being kidnapped they were. Afterwords, I would sit down with the kid and talk about why I was so happy to see them and explain what I thought may have happened, and explain why it's beneficial to the kid to not disappear like that...not why it's beneficial to me.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending and you would hope to god that they were wired to care

[errorspending]

Imagine if your own child disappeared and then you found him/her. How would you react?

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending more or less the same way my father did. unlike you, i dont see a problem with how he handled himself

[ringmaster316ms]

goal was accomplished

[errorspending]

I'm not arguing that parent's scare tactics don't work sometimes. I'm just saying it's morally abhorrent to bully and scare children into doing what you want them to do.

[errorspending]

and that there are other ways you can achieve the same goals, much more peacefully, while at the same time increasing the love between parent and child instead of driving a stake in it.

[ringmaster316ms]

i guess to a point i did understand the danger, but my imagination blew it so far out of proportion that i was afraid of something that wasnt actually there. i might have preferred the fear of an asswhipping.

[errorspending]

So I don't think superiors is a good category for parents. Your boss may be your superior in a business sense, but he can not really tell you what to do. If he told you you had to stop seeing your girlfriend, you can easily say no, leave the company and do whatever you like. children do not have this option, so parents are more akin to tyrants, not superiors.

[errorspending]

I didn't want for you to label what categories of people are superiors, I wanted you to describe what about them makes them superior to children.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending their position of authority over the child, thats what. your job as a parent is to mold your child into a contributing member of society. for that, you need to have control, and when the kid is allowed to question your orders, you lose some of that control.

[errorspending]

* so that*

[errorspending]

no, your job as a parent is to educate, provide for, and above all be curious about your child's thoughts a feelings...not mold. You mold a pet dog. You feed them, you train them to obey and do tricks and play with them. Children are not pets. They are individuals that need to have their feelings considered in all situations possible except for emergencies involving the child's immediate safetey, like pulling them back from a busy street.

[errorspending]

sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my question :/

[errorspending]

I fully understand that in our society currently that wife/husband =/= mother/child..that's what I'm trying to change. Simply stating it like a fact does not prove anything. Where's your evidence that a child's thoughts a feelings don't matter in non-emergency situations? And this was obviously not an emergency situation or problem because the officer did not hang up on the kid, so please stop talking about saving lives. 

[errorspending]

@ringmaster316ms And my whole point about old people that aren't rational was that it is a parallel to young kids, because most people say that you have to use violence or verbal commands with children because they are too young to understand reason. So, if kids are actually too young to understand, then they are functionally the same as impaired old people or mentally handicapped adults. Would spank a mentally handicapped person? Yell at them?

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending you're assuming that any one method is the way to go. sometimes rationalizing works, sometimes it doesnt.  i know that if i had ever thought as a child that i would never get a spanking no matter what i did, i would have been much harder to control. and no, children should never be equal to their parents in terms of who makes the decisions.

[errorspending]

I totally agree that, with your mindset now, you would have been much harder to control, but that's only because as a child, you did not respect your parents wishes. When you respect someone and love them, they do not need to threaten you to do things. I am happy to help my partner with chores around the house etc, because I deeply respect him and he respects me. Children desperately want to be loved and do right, and it is only because parents resort to force, that they start to disobey.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending i had my own ideas about what i wanted to do. i didnt want to stay with my mom when she went to the store, i wanted to jerk around in the toy aisle. or sometimes i wanted to explore. if i thought dad wouldnt have busted my ass when i got home, i would have snuck off the first chance i got, pretty much every time. things werent like they are these days, but still, someone could have kidnapped my ass when i did that sort of thing. so no, my thoughts and feelings didnt

[errorspending]

so then the question is, did your parents ever sit you down and explain to you why it was really important for you to not run off and explore? AND if they did do this, why did you not respect their judgment?

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending bottom line, i dont believe the parenting situation is getting better like you do. why? before columbine, when was the last time something had ever happened like that? where some kid(s) went apeshit? well maybe the menendez brothers.

[errorspending]

if you think that children are not too young to understand reason, then you have no argument as to why dealing with them is different than dealing with rational adults, who I assume you do not yell at or spank.

[ringmaster316ms]

@errorspending which as i have shown, wouldnt be hard, and we could try rationalizing first.

[DracoTommy]

i think 15-8=1 =))))))))))))))))))))))))

[horse460]

u r a dumbass u fucking no help

[franzalosifa]

yeah you are right.