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  • Lou Busted out the old Klien Guitar from 93..wicked sOund from the old bEast!

  • Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)

  • Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)

  • Haha it sounded like a bunch dying animals! I couldn't get passed the first 15 seconds, it was unbearable lol

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    Want your bad romance

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    Roma, Roma-ma

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    Want your bad romance

  • Lou wanted to experiment but the result was far from the music he produced in the past.

  • what know what i dont get. people that love noise music and experimental music saying that most of the commenters that dont like this stuff only listen to completely mainstream music. this video has about 6,500 views i dont think anyone that is listening to lady gaga is searching up "bad john zorn and lou reed video" (and for the record i dont have any opinion on this) i dont think people that listen to katy perry even know who john zorn is. the people that write on these are fans of zorn.

  • @boogster123321

    Are you kidding me? Zorn is pratically a pop star. As is Mike patton, or Lou Reed. All of them are famous outside the improv / noise / experimental scene

  • @Lawnwake lou reed is famous, mike patton in his own right is famous but zorn is known by avant garde music fans and jazzers. im not sure how he is practically a pop star or your being saracastic

  • ok everyone put their toys down NOW! Thats it. no more Playing! And you with the mic... Shut the F UP!

  • Lou's doing what he has always liked doing since the early VU days: making noise!

  • Great!

  • I wish I was there.:) Thanks for posting that atomicshark! T%o each their own eh?

  • Its avant garde , man.

  • What the hell is John Zorn doing on the same stage as Lou Reed? That's like John Coltrane sharing a stage with Gilbert O'Sullivan. I have never seen a musician so completely out of his depth as Lou Reed in this video. He hasn't a clue what he's doing.

  • I think he does fine plus have you heard Metal Machine Music? It's beautiful . . . he doesn't dip this far into the avant-garde very often but when he does Lou Reed does fine . . .

  • If you like Lou Reed - well, enjoy. I have heard bits of MMM and I think it sucks, but that's my personal opinion. One of the things I don't like about it is that it's not guitar playing. He just set up mics in a room and recorded them feeding back, as far as I know.

  • it wasn't mics . . . he tuned some guitars in crazy ways then he set two of them up by really big amps so that when they fed back the vibrations from the amps would also make the strings vibrate . . . a fantastic idea . . . Zorn didn't play in Cobra and yet we all call him a genius for that . . . people dwell too much on who's "making" the music I mean MMM is beautiful music, the only way it could be made was that way so that way is exceptable if it makes such a beatiful piece . . .

  • There is a contact mic player on one of the gamepieces also and no one complains about his presence and says that he is not a real musician . . . it's pretty much the same as rigging up two guitars to play incidental music . . . The point is not that I like Lou Reed in fact I am a very fair weather fan of his the point here is that when you act as if certain people are unfit to play with Zorn you undermind his whole musical philosophy "All music is equal." He played with Arto Lindsay I mean cmon

  • Arto Lindsay is a fine singer - ever listen to Heiner Goebbels' "The Man in the Elevator"? :)

  • Arto did nothing but scream and babble in his No Wave days though . . .

  • What you're saying could be applied to John Cage having John Cale involved in his production of Satie's Vexations, that simply because John Cale was later going to be in The Velvet Underground that would mean his classical training was somehow null and void . . . now doesn't that sound silly now that I put it that way? I mean it's certainly close to the same thing if not the same thing. Reed and Zorn have had interests before they were in the public eye they do what they want, they're an artist.

  • But Zorn is also a hellaciously good sax player, and has composed some beautiful music too (e.g. Beuysblock on Songs from the Hermetic Theater). I think Lou Reed is an okay songwriter. As you said yourself, to make MMM Reed set up a couple of guitars and then let them feed back by themselves. That's what Derek Bailey used to call "avantgarderie".

  • Who cares what Derek Bailey says, he was a fine improv guitarist but he has no say in what is good music to you or me . . .

  • I don't follow your argument at all re the Cage/Cale/Satie thing - can you explain? I know Cage got Cale as one of the players in Vexations, it's not that. I just don't understand what it's got to do with Lou Reed.

  • My argument with Cage/Cale was just that simply because Cale is more low-brow than Cage does not make him any less worthing of working with Cage same with Reed and Zorn . . .

  • I admit my logic with the Cage/Cale thing was a little skewed . . . I was reaching haha still it's sort of comparable and still the same principal remains . . . my point is if you don't like Lou's avant garde side then that's fine but don't say he's not worthy to play with Zorn . . . Zorn's spent plenty of his own time playing sax solos that went nowhere . . . those sax solos were awesome though . . .

  • as for MMM you may not believe this but sometimes there is musical genius in just setting up the environment for beautiful musical accidents . . . I mean who gives a shit if he actually played the guitars . . . Beethoven didn't play every instrument in the 5th Symphony . . . facilitating a musical evironment so that noise can be created is just as valid as composing a score . . .

  • "Beethoven didn't play every instrument in the 5th Symphony"

    True, but he was no slouch on the piano.

    "facilitating a musical evironment so that noise can be created is just as valid as composing a score"

    Again true, but it depends on the noise. Personally I think that MMM is an hour and a bit of messy art-wank, and that Reed should stick to writing good sad songs. But that's just my opinion.

  • Again I was sort of reaching with the Beethoven thing but you know what I mean . . .

    How long has it been since you listened to MMM? You should try hearing it again 'cause I just don't understand how someone without the prejudice against noise cannot enjoy it. I find it utterly beautiful.

  • I don't own a copy of MMM and it's been a while. It's true that I have no prejudice against noise, but my ear prefers noise that's being created in a hands-on way (e.g. Hendrix or Sonny Sharrock noise). It's true that Cage was a hands-off noisemaker, but his noise (e.g. Williams Mix) is pleasing to me in a way that Reed's isn't. I admit to a deep and visceral dislike of Reed and his stuff. I think he's a fake, and it prevents me from liking his music. And sadly, this doesn't bother me.

  • Well, I think Reed is a fake on purpose. Like for instance his noise is a bit tongue and cheek and he doesn't take him self-seriously but he is totally commited to his project. I don't see what any of that has to do with how MMM sounds though. I prefer the tongue in cheekness to Cage's seriousness/anguish actually though I still love and respect Cage as an artist and though I'm not too familiar with much Cage yet I will probably prefer him, still that's beside the point. "Live and let live".

  • I don't quite know what you mean by Cage's "seriousness/anguish" - Cage became a Buddhist early on and it made him one of the happiest composers ever. But there's something about Reed that really makes me want to slap him.  John Cale tells a story about how he (Cale) was running late for Sterling Morrison's funeral and was annoyed that he was going to miss the speech that he assumed Lou Reed was going to make. Then when he got there, he realised that Reed hadn't bothered to show up at all.

  • I don't know anything about Cage's demeanor but what I was refering to is the frustration that he's exibhited on occassion because he was so controversial. There's a 1966 movie called, I think, "Sound" with Cage and Roland Kirk where Cage is reading from his notes and while the notes are inspiring it does ammount in it's most basic form to whining. I'm only saying that Lou Reed takes such experiments less seriously and I enjoy boths sides of the avant-garde, the serious and the tongue in cheek.

  • Cage probably had to be a bit combative; think of the number of times he must have been accused of being a charlatan. I have the live album of the 1958 NYC concert and some of it is spoiled by some really nasty heckling from idiot preppies in the audience doing things like ironically shouting "Bravo! Bravo!"

  • I guess part of what you said about Lou is true but I didn't say it didn't influence his art I just don't think it should be the focus for the listener or at the very least you shouldn't care.

  • You probably shouldn't care, but when you are more disgusted with an artist's personal behaviour than moved/excited by his music, then it's a good sign that the artist is not one of your faves.

    In the end, does the music grab you? It does you, it doesn't me. That's the main thing. I did like 'Songs for Drella' very much, but that's the only Lou Reed album I can't do without.

  • I had forgotten Cage's quote on the Water Walk video "laughter is preferable to tears" so my comment about his anguish was a little off but still he has a different motivation behind his music than Lou Reed.

  • Maybe he does have a different motivation behind his music. I don't know what motivates Reed to do the things he does.

  • I know that an artist's failings as a human being don't or shouldn't have anything to do with his or her art, but in Lou Reed's case I'm prepared to make an exception.

  • I'm sorry but Lou Reed's failings as a human being DON'T have to do with his art. Plenty of artists are jerks and with all due respect that's stupid that you let yourself do that.

  • I was going to concede the point, but having thought about it I think that Reed's failings as a human being very much have to do with his art. Most of his songs, at least the early ones, are about people behaving very, very badly. And think of a record like "Live: Take No Prisoners", which is notoriously about the foul mood he was in that night. Even MMM is as much a bad-tempered f***-you to his record company as a genuine artistic statement. Lou is a Romantic that way. Just as Cage wasn't.

  • artists*

  • it was funny reading rolling stone recently with lou reed in an article saying that " i played this concert in new york with Mike patton and john zorn and it was incredible" and then someone calls it a horrible concert. It goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  • ya, it is 3 of the most talented musicians on the planet, doesn't mean they aren't just stroking each other off though. Nice vid though thanks for posting. I almost flew up for this how is it that everyone else can get permission to video but they'll never approve me?

  • It helps if you contact the tour manager first.

  • For recording? I did contact his management company before the show at the Norva and was told he seldom allowed filming. They offered no alternatives, shame it was a great show. Glad he wasn't being avant garde.....

  • Im sorry this gave me a headache

  • Ignorant fucks who say that this is not music and who think that Lou Reed is Candy Says should not breathe. Lou Reed is also Black Angel Death Song. And here, he's playing with the most talented american singer and perhaps the greatest alive composer and the wildest saxophonist John Zorn. Thanks for this AWESOME video. Lou Reed said in Rolling Stone that he wants to release this show.

  • urgh!

  • a lot of john zorn is free improv and/or jazz. There is art in noise! get into it!

    you brain must be rotten from all the pop you've listened to

  • If you paid $75 for this show, not knowing who john zorn is, and felt "ripped off", you didn't deserve to be there. Go listen to Berlin.

  • Is this his follow up to 'Metal Machine Music', or is this a fundraiser for people with Tourrettes Syndrome?

  • i am a big zorn fan, but this is just noise...

  • That is Mike Patton isn't it? Ah. Wonderful. Although I'd prefer Yamatsuka Eye, now that boy can scream.

  • worst? reed & zorn is fantastic!

  • Lou Reed + John Zorn = Brilliant!

    @ Fuzzboyab: besides being a songwriter with a gift for lyrics, Lou is also a remarkable guitar player.

    Here you have him doing that, what's wrong with that.

    He played a similar sort of show with John and Laurie Anderson at the Stone, the recording of that show is on sale via Tzadik.

    if improvisation music isn't what you want, why the hell are you going to see John Zorn!?

    Lou please please please come over to Europe with John!

  • Zorn & Reed are playing in Milano/Italy on September 24. On stage:

    John Zorn sax, Laurie Anderson vocal, Lou Reed vocal, Marc Ribot guitar, Carol Emanuel harp, Greg Cohen bass, Kenny Wollesen drums, Lisa Bielawa vocal, Martha Cluver vocal, Abby Fischer vocal, Kathryn Mulvihill vocal, Kirsten Sollek vocal

  • That's fantastic. I didn't know Lou Reed was involved with John Zorn.

    That "barking guy on the mic" comment is pretty funny. Nobody knows who Mike Patton is anymore?

  • the stuff played by zorn and his mates is the logical continuity of what j.c. played 40 years ago at the village vanguard....

    try the john coltrane live in japan in 66 or 67 : not so far from what you saw with lou reed !

  • This was a unique show; compelling and interesting. My group of 7 people loved it. Lou played amazing, Zorn is amazing & Patton is known for his impressive vocal talents. REED is a masterful artist; I applaud his prolific career & adventurous side which is into experimentation. I found this show to be extremely interesting. To say it was a bad show is inaccurate and 1 guy's opinion. I saw some of the videos he finds intriguing & thought they were awful.

  • That's amazing. Only Lou Reed can do that, what a GOD.

  • hey guys,welcome in the real world !

    what you saw is called IMPROVISATION (now repeat that word)

    and it does EXIST ! although you can't see that on MTV...

    lou reed is attracted in such noisy adventures,so what ? is he condemned to sing "transformer" all his life ?

    by the way,the barking guy is mike patton from faith no more,who also travelled from rock to impro-music...

    why do you accept abstraction in paintings and not in music ?

  • Listen to the boxed set of Coltrane at the Village Vanguard thats IMPROVISATION!!!! I don't think Lou should sing "Transformer" I've listened to just about every album he's released since and continue to play the crap out of many of them! But when something feels like complete bullshit it usuallly is!

  • I think sometimes Lou intentionally tries to piss off his fans. This would fall into that category.

  • Music isnt all verse - chorus - verse - chorus. Some of us like something a little deeper, that gives the listener something to think about. Get up with it. This footage is great...

  • Hey did you see the freaking Highline show! There was plenty of jamming and loose versions

    of songs. Including a great version of ECTASY.

    This show gave something to think about, I wasted 75 dollars watching Lou reed sit while a man barked into a microphone! If thats deep than I'll stick with being considered shallow!

  • I never imagined that I could hear something more annoying than Yoko Ono trying to sing.

  • As someone who recently saw the show at the Highline and the Berlin Movie this is just a case of the emperor having no clothes!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I went to this show and this video is an accurate account of the musical masturbation that went on. Was this some kind of of joke.

    Whats with the barking guy on the mike. Somebody should point out to Lou Reed that for someone whose reputation was built on great writing that when you do show say some

    f**king words! Either he knew the ultra hip I gotta go to this club crowd would buy this bullshit as an artistic explorationor he just didnt care!. No Great art was happening Here.

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