Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
what know what i dont get. people that love noise music and experimental music saying that most of the commenters that dont like this stuff only listen to completely mainstream music. this video has about 6,500 views i dont think anyone that is listening to lady gaga is searching up "bad john zorn and lou reed video" (and for the record i dont have any opinion on this) i dont think people that listen to katy perry even know who john zorn is. the people that write on these are fans of zorn.
Are you kidding me? Zorn is pratically a pop star. As is Mike patton, or Lou Reed. All of them are famous outside the improv / noise / experimental scene
@Lawnwake lou reed is famous, mike patton in his own right is famous but zorn is known by avant garde music fans and jazzers. im not sure how he is practically a pop star or your being saracastic
You probably shouldn't care, but when you are more disgusted with an artist's personal behaviour than moved/excited by his music, then it's a good sign that the artist is not one of your faves.
In the end, does the music grab you? It does you, it doesn't me. That's the main thing. I did like 'Songs for Drella' very much, but that's the only Lou Reed album I can't do without.
Cage probably had to be a bit combative; think of the number of times he must have been accused of being a charlatan. I have the live album of the 1958 NYC concert and some of it is spoiled by some really nasty heckling from idiot preppies in the audience doing things like ironically shouting "Bravo! Bravo!"
I was going to concede the point, but having thought about it I think that Reed's failings as a human being very much have to do with his art. Most of his songs, at least the early ones, are about people behaving very, very badly. And think of a record like "Live: Take No Prisoners", which is notoriously about the foul mood he was in that night. Even MMM is as much a bad-tempered f***-you to his record company as a genuine artistic statement. Lou is a Romantic that way. Just as Cage wasn't.
I know that an artist's failings as a human being don't or shouldn't have anything to do with his or her art, but in Lou Reed's case I'm prepared to make an exception.
I don't quite know what you mean by Cage's "seriousness/anguish" - Cage became a Buddhist early on and it made him one of the happiest composers ever. But there's something about Reed that really makes me want to slap him. John Cale tells a story about how he (Cale) was running late for Sterling Morrison's funeral and was annoyed that he was going to miss the speech that he assumed Lou Reed was going to make. Then when he got there, he realised that Reed hadn't bothered to show up at all.
I don't own a copy of MMM and it's been a while. It's true that I have no prejudice against noise, but my ear prefers noise that's being created in a hands-on way (e.g. Hendrix or Sonny Sharrock noise). It's true that Cage was a hands-off noisemaker, but his noise (e.g. Williams Mix) is pleasing to me in a way that Reed's isn't. I admit to a deep and visceral dislike of Reed and his stuff. I think he's a fake, and it prevents me from liking his music. And sadly, this doesn't bother me.
"Beethoven didn't play every instrument in the 5th Symphony"
True, but he was no slouch on the piano.
"facilitating a musical evironment so that noise can be created is just as valid as composing a score"
Again true, but it depends on the noise. Personally I think that MMM is an hour and a bit of messy art-wank, and that Reed should stick to writing good sad songs. But that's just my opinion.
I don't follow your argument at all re the Cage/Cale/Satie thing - can you explain? I know Cage got Cale as one of the players in Vexations, it's not that. I just don't understand what it's got to do with Lou Reed.
But Zorn is also a hellaciously good sax player, and has composed some beautiful music too (e.g. Beuysblock on Songs from the Hermetic Theater). I think Lou Reed is an okay songwriter. As you said yourself, to make MMM Reed set up a couple of guitars and then let them feed back by themselves. That's what Derek Bailey used to call "avantgarderie".
If you like Lou Reed - well, enjoy. I have heard bits of MMM and I think it sucks, but that's my personal opinion. One of the things I don't like about it is that it's not guitar playing. He just set up mics in a room and recorded them feeding back, as far as I know.
What the hell is John Zorn doing on the same stage as Lou Reed? That's like John Coltrane sharing a stage with Gilbert O'Sullivan. I have never seen a musician so completely out of his depth as Lou Reed in this video. He hasn't a clue what he's doing.
it was funny reading rolling stone recently with lou reed in an article saying that " i played this concert in new york with Mike patton and john zorn and it was incredible" and then someone calls it a horrible concert. It goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
ya, it is 3 of the most talented musicians on the planet, doesn't mean they aren't just stroking each other off though. Nice vid though thanks for posting. I almost flew up for this how is it that everyone else can get permission to video but they'll never approve me?
For recording? I did contact his management company before the show at the Norva and was told he seldom allowed filming. They offered no alternatives, shame it was a great show. Glad he wasn't being avant garde.....
Ignorant fucks who say that this is not music and who think that Lou Reed is Candy Says should not breathe. Lou Reed is also Black Angel Death Song. And here, he's playing with the most talented american singer and perhaps the greatest alive composer and the wildest saxophonist John Zorn. Thanks for this AWESOME video. Lou Reed said in Rolling Stone that he wants to release this show.
Music isnt all verse - chorus - verse - chorus. Some of us like something a little deeper, that gives the listener something to think about. Get up with it. This footage is great...
Lou Busted out the old Klien Guitar from 93..wicked sOund from the old bEast!
streethassled 4 months ago
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Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
Swyrl 1 year ago
Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
Swyrl 1 year ago
Patton doesn't listen to the others here. The Reed - Zorn - Ribot trio is far better, according to what I could find on youtube. Gonna look for their CD now, only without Patton :)
Swyrl 1 year ago
Haha it sounded like a bunch dying animals! I couldn't get passed the first 15 seconds, it was unbearable lol
martyismartyr 1 year ago
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Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah
Roma, Roma-ma
GaGa, ooh la la
Want your bad romance
Danman917 2 years ago
Lou wanted to experiment but the result was far from the music he produced in the past.
nanalcojones 2 years ago
what know what i dont get. people that love noise music and experimental music saying that most of the commenters that dont like this stuff only listen to completely mainstream music. this video has about 6,500 views i dont think anyone that is listening to lady gaga is searching up "bad john zorn and lou reed video" (and for the record i dont have any opinion on this) i dont think people that listen to katy perry even know who john zorn is. the people that write on these are fans of zorn.
boogster123321 2 years ago 2
@boogster123321
Are you kidding me? Zorn is pratically a pop star. As is Mike patton, or Lou Reed. All of them are famous outside the improv / noise / experimental scene
Lawnwake 1 year ago
@Lawnwake lou reed is famous, mike patton in his own right is famous but zorn is known by avant garde music fans and jazzers. im not sure how he is practically a pop star or your being saracastic
boogster123321 1 year ago
ok everyone put their toys down NOW! Thats it. no more Playing! And you with the mic... Shut the F UP!
jimmyjustus 2 years ago
Lou's doing what he has always liked doing since the early VU days: making noise!
Serg1974 2 years ago
Maybe he does have a different motivation behind his music. I don't know what motivates Reed to do the things he does.
lexo30 3 years ago
You probably shouldn't care, but when you are more disgusted with an artist's personal behaviour than moved/excited by his music, then it's a good sign that the artist is not one of your faves.
In the end, does the music grab you? It does you, it doesn't me. That's the main thing. I did like 'Songs for Drella' very much, but that's the only Lou Reed album I can't do without.
lexo30 3 years ago
Cage probably had to be a bit combative; think of the number of times he must have been accused of being a charlatan. I have the live album of the 1958 NYC concert and some of it is spoiled by some really nasty heckling from idiot preppies in the audience doing things like ironically shouting "Bravo! Bravo!"
lexo30 3 years ago
I was going to concede the point, but having thought about it I think that Reed's failings as a human being very much have to do with his art. Most of his songs, at least the early ones, are about people behaving very, very badly. And think of a record like "Live: Take No Prisoners", which is notoriously about the foul mood he was in that night. Even MMM is as much a bad-tempered f***-you to his record company as a genuine artistic statement. Lou is a Romantic that way. Just as Cage wasn't.
lexo30 3 years ago
I know that an artist's failings as a human being don't or shouldn't have anything to do with his or her art, but in Lou Reed's case I'm prepared to make an exception.
lexo30 3 years ago
I don't quite know what you mean by Cage's "seriousness/anguish" - Cage became a Buddhist early on and it made him one of the happiest composers ever. But there's something about Reed that really makes me want to slap him. John Cale tells a story about how he (Cale) was running late for Sterling Morrison's funeral and was annoyed that he was going to miss the speech that he assumed Lou Reed was going to make. Then when he got there, he realised that Reed hadn't bothered to show up at all.
lexo30 3 years ago
I don't own a copy of MMM and it's been a while. It's true that I have no prejudice against noise, but my ear prefers noise that's being created in a hands-on way (e.g. Hendrix or Sonny Sharrock noise). It's true that Cage was a hands-off noisemaker, but his noise (e.g. Williams Mix) is pleasing to me in a way that Reed's isn't. I admit to a deep and visceral dislike of Reed and his stuff. I think he's a fake, and it prevents me from liking his music. And sadly, this doesn't bother me.
lexo30 3 years ago
"Beethoven didn't play every instrument in the 5th Symphony"
True, but he was no slouch on the piano.
"facilitating a musical evironment so that noise can be created is just as valid as composing a score"
Again true, but it depends on the noise. Personally I think that MMM is an hour and a bit of messy art-wank, and that Reed should stick to writing good sad songs. But that's just my opinion.
lexo30 3 years ago
I don't follow your argument at all re the Cage/Cale/Satie thing - can you explain? I know Cage got Cale as one of the players in Vexations, it's not that. I just don't understand what it's got to do with Lou Reed.
lexo30 3 years ago
Arto Lindsay is a fine singer - ever listen to Heiner Goebbels' "The Man in the Elevator"? :)
lexo30 3 years ago
But Zorn is also a hellaciously good sax player, and has composed some beautiful music too (e.g. Beuysblock on Songs from the Hermetic Theater). I think Lou Reed is an okay songwriter. As you said yourself, to make MMM Reed set up a couple of guitars and then let them feed back by themselves. That's what Derek Bailey used to call "avantgarderie".
lexo30 3 years ago
If you like Lou Reed - well, enjoy. I have heard bits of MMM and I think it sucks, but that's my personal opinion. One of the things I don't like about it is that it's not guitar playing. He just set up mics in a room and recorded them feeding back, as far as I know.
lexo30 3 years ago
I wish I was there.:) Thanks for posting that atomicshark! T%o each their own eh?
augie1111 3 years ago
Its avant garde , man.
godstomper 3 years ago
What the hell is John Zorn doing on the same stage as Lou Reed? That's like John Coltrane sharing a stage with Gilbert O'Sullivan. I have never seen a musician so completely out of his depth as Lou Reed in this video. He hasn't a clue what he's doing.
lexo30 3 years ago
it was funny reading rolling stone recently with lou reed in an article saying that " i played this concert in new york with Mike patton and john zorn and it was incredible" and then someone calls it a horrible concert. It goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
boogster123321 3 years ago 2
ya, it is 3 of the most talented musicians on the planet, doesn't mean they aren't just stroking each other off though. Nice vid though thanks for posting. I almost flew up for this how is it that everyone else can get permission to video but they'll never approve me?
mitch26 3 years ago
It helps if you contact the tour manager first.
jmeckle1 3 years ago
For recording? I did contact his management company before the show at the Norva and was told he seldom allowed filming. They offered no alternatives, shame it was a great show. Glad he wasn't being avant garde.....
mitch26 3 years ago
Im sorry this gave me a headache
newtbagdouche 3 years ago
Ignorant fucks who say that this is not music and who think that Lou Reed is Candy Says should not breathe. Lou Reed is also Black Angel Death Song. And here, he's playing with the most talented american singer and perhaps the greatest alive composer and the wildest saxophonist John Zorn. Thanks for this AWESOME video. Lou Reed said in Rolling Stone that he wants to release this show.
SonicYouthah 3 years ago 2
urgh!
Nuditeaf 3 years ago
a lot of john zorn is free improv and/or jazz. There is art in noise! get into it!
you brain must be rotten from all the pop you've listened to
TerribleFLY 3 years ago 4
If you paid $75 for this show, not knowing who john zorn is, and felt "ripped off", you didn't deserve to be there. Go listen to Berlin.
calvinrocks 3 years ago 4
I never imagined that I could hear something more annoying than Yoko Ono trying to sing.
HumGuitar 3 years ago
I think sometimes Lou intentionally tries to piss off his fans. This would fall into that category.
HumGuitar 3 years ago
Is this his follow up to 'Metal Machine Music', or is this a fundraiser for people with Tourrettes Syndrome?
HumGuitar 3 years ago
i am a big zorn fan, but this is just noise...
saemj 3 years ago
That is Mike Patton isn't it? Ah. Wonderful. Although I'd prefer Yamatsuka Eye, now that boy can scream.
SomeMightEvenDie 3 years ago
worst? reed & zorn is fantastic!
thomasloyens 3 years ago 2
Lou Reed + John Zorn = Brilliant!
@ Fuzzboyab: besides being a songwriter with a gift for lyrics, Lou is also a remarkable guitar player.
Here you have him doing that, what's wrong with that.
He played a similar sort of show with John and Laurie Anderson at the Stone, the recording of that show is on sale via Tzadik.
if improvisation music isn't what you want, why the hell are you going to see John Zorn!?
Lou please please please come over to Europe with John!
DrBenway83 3 years ago 3
Zorn & Reed are playing in Milano/Italy on September 24. On stage:
John Zorn sax, Laurie Anderson vocal, Lou Reed vocal, Marc Ribot guitar, Carol Emanuel harp, Greg Cohen bass, Kenny Wollesen drums, Lisa Bielawa vocal, Martha Cluver vocal, Abby Fischer vocal, Kathryn Mulvihill vocal, Kirsten Sollek vocal
HolgerregloH 3 years ago
That's fantastic. I didn't know Lou Reed was involved with John Zorn.
That "barking guy on the mic" comment is pretty funny. Nobody knows who Mike Patton is anymore?
pjustusxi 3 years ago 3
the stuff played by zorn and his mates is the logical continuity of what j.c. played 40 years ago at the village vanguard....
try the john coltrane live in japan in 66 or 67 : not so far from what you saw with lou reed !
berthy75 3 years ago 5
That's amazing. Only Lou Reed can do that, what a GOD.
Jellyonyourshoulder 3 years ago 3
hey guys,welcome in the real world !
what you saw is called IMPROVISATION (now repeat that word)
and it does EXIST ! although you can't see that on MTV...
lou reed is attracted in such noisy adventures,so what ? is he condemned to sing "transformer" all his life ?
by the way,the barking guy is mike patton from faith no more,who also travelled from rock to impro-music...
why do you accept abstraction in paintings and not in music ?
berthy75 3 years ago 2
Music isnt all verse - chorus - verse - chorus. Some of us like something a little deeper, that gives the listener something to think about. Get up with it. This footage is great...
PappaWas1975 3 years ago 10