what base are you guys using? and what kind/type of scope? a good friend of mine shot the 155 scenars with a velocity of 2750, using his Rem700 20" barrel with a NF5-25x56mm and he didn't have enough elevation to make it out to 1 mile. Any suggestions?
@koolmike79 Elevation adjustment is what first came to my mind too, but one of the guys said in the video "I'll aim 3 mils high", so I guess his scope did run out of adjustment
Maybe, I'm not sure because the owner haven't replied to my questions. But I know of a guy here in Las Vegas and he is using a Premier scope that he shot a 1 mile with the same 6.5CM set up like I have and he only adjusted 20.3 MILS converted to MOA is at 73 MOA compared to mine (falcon menace ML16 4-14x42mm scope) which took me 143 MOA to get to 1 mile. Probably because the way the scope was set up? MOA vs MILS, cheap scope (mine) vs High End ???
@koolmike79 Possibly, I'm about to get a (mid-range?) scope for my 308, I've decided on a Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50, it's everything I want, tactical knobs, mildot reticle, good zoom, but, downside, only 44 MOA of adjustment, even though it's a 30mm tube. I want this rifle to shoot up to 1000 yards, so with a 20 MOA base, I may just have to hold high at 100 yards, and then be able to dial it in from 200-1000 yards, we'll have to see.. a lot of experimenting to do!
you should be good to go with that that scope with a 20MOA base and with 44MOA scope gets you 64MOA and with a .308 168-175gr with 2600-2800FPS you will only need 36-45MOA of elevation. You also have 4-8 mildots internally so that will add another 15 MOA or so.
@koolmike79 Thanks, I'm pleased to hear that, as the Leupold Long Range scopes with M1/M3 turrets were well out of my price range! That's also the bullet weight range I've been thinking of, mine has a 1:12 barrel, so I'm looking at SMK HPBT 168gr, they seem to have a good reputation for long range shooting, I'll try those first
I have have two shooting buddies that have same twists, one 20" barrel and one 22" barrel and they are both using 175 SMK's with very good results. "Match Kings" enough said :D good luck bro, and post some videos...
@P1LGY Keep in mind that a scope with 44MOA adjustment, *if* the receiver and base are manufactured perfectly, you will have exactly half of that up and half down. Sometimes the machining tolerance error is in your favor, and sometimes not. So, it is more likely that you will only have 20MOA available in the scope. Choose your base and reticle accordingly.
@scottys1 Good point, I have the CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar 308, which has those 19mm dovetails machined into the receiver, which has proved a little bit more difficult finding a 20 moa rail for it. CZ do a weaver rail, but it didn't have many slots, so I've ordered a picatinny rail from US Optics for it. I'm hoping I can still get a 100 yard zero with it, we'll have to see when it arrives! I have the mildot reticle so if I can't zero at 100, I can just create a 100yard zero on one of the mildots
@koolmike79 The 5.5-22 and F1 models have 100MOA total travel, with means that if you are lucky, you will have 50MOA. We both use 20MOA bases. These guns are not set up to shoot at a mile, the cartridge choices are all wrong to start with....
I'm surprised by the creedmoor. not that it hit the target, but that it shot that tight at that range. I built a 6.5x47 Lapua (basically the same thing) and I figured it was limited to 1500 max, but never expected 1760
for those 155's you might beable to get them more accurate using something like alliant 2000mr...i am seeing a solid 3000fps out of my 26" and still no pressure signs, and not at max load either
This is a 22" barrel, the comfortable working load is 2940fps, but I like to take it easy on the brass, so I settled at a little under 2900. Add 4" to the barrel, and you'd get nearly 100fps more....
BC wise i feel the 175gr BT LR or the hornady 178 BTHP match would be more of a fair comparison. The .308 is going to lose supersonic relatively fast either way but the 175gr would help retain a little more energy. 175 gr BC (.264 G7), 155gr Scenar (.238G7)
@scottys1 Yeah not to take anything away from the shooting still great shooting. Definitely beyond the practical range for either cartridge. If you or your friend ever work up a high BC load with the .308 i would like to see the results. Not trying to implement a this vs that thing, just would like to see it. Great video. Hows the shot recovery time after shooting? Do you see your impacts through the scope?
Yeah, we were spotting each other through our scopes. If you listen, you can hear me rack the bolt and then call the impact a couple times if I recall correctly....
@scottys1 Yeah not to take anything away from the shooting still great shooting. Definitely beyond the practical range for either cartridge. If you or your friend ever work up a high BC load with the .308 i would like to see the results. Not trying to implement a this vs that thing, just would like to see it. Great video. Hows the shot recovery time after shooting? Do you see your impacts through the scope? Or see the vapor trail through the scope?
You guys are crazy. Those rifles aren't meant to shoot that far! LOL I thought I was doing something shooting a 6.5 Grendel at 1000 yards. You are some of the best I've seen on YT. What was the spin drift like at that range on the .308?
Haha, that's the general idea. No idea on spin drift, it is pretty much impossible in non-linear conditions like that to observe and account for general air movement and hence back-calculate spin drift.
I was on the fence about getting and F1 until I saw this video!
DallasfuckingTT 3 months ago
what base are you guys using? and what kind/type of scope? a good friend of mine shot the 155 scenars with a velocity of 2750, using his Rem700 20" barrel with a NF5-25x56mm and he didn't have enough elevation to make it out to 1 mile. Any suggestions?
koolmike79 4 months ago
@koolmike79 Elevation adjustment is what first came to my mind too, but one of the guys said in the video "I'll aim 3 mils high", so I guess his scope did run out of adjustment
P1LGY 4 months ago
@P1LGY
Maybe, I'm not sure because the owner haven't replied to my questions. But I know of a guy here in Las Vegas and he is using a Premier scope that he shot a 1 mile with the same 6.5CM set up like I have and he only adjusted 20.3 MILS converted to MOA is at 73 MOA compared to mine (falcon menace ML16 4-14x42mm scope) which took me 143 MOA to get to 1 mile. Probably because the way the scope was set up? MOA vs MILS, cheap scope (mine) vs High End ???
koolmike79 4 months ago
@koolmike79 Possibly, I'm about to get a (mid-range?) scope for my 308, I've decided on a Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50, it's everything I want, tactical knobs, mildot reticle, good zoom, but, downside, only 44 MOA of adjustment, even though it's a 30mm tube. I want this rifle to shoot up to 1000 yards, so with a 20 MOA base, I may just have to hold high at 100 yards, and then be able to dial it in from 200-1000 yards, we'll have to see.. a lot of experimenting to do!
P1LGY 4 months ago
@P1LGY
you should be good to go with that that scope with a 20MOA base and with 44MOA scope gets you 64MOA and with a .308 168-175gr with 2600-2800FPS you will only need 36-45MOA of elevation. You also have 4-8 mildots internally so that will add another 15 MOA or so.
koolmike79 4 months ago
@koolmike79 Thanks, I'm pleased to hear that, as the Leupold Long Range scopes with M1/M3 turrets were well out of my price range! That's also the bullet weight range I've been thinking of, mine has a 1:12 barrel, so I'm looking at SMK HPBT 168gr, they seem to have a good reputation for long range shooting, I'll try those first
P1LGY 3 months ago
@P1LGY
I have have two shooting buddies that have same twists, one 20" barrel and one 22" barrel and they are both using 175 SMK's with very good results. "Match Kings" enough said :D good luck bro, and post some videos...
koolmike79 3 months ago
@P1LGY Keep in mind that a scope with 44MOA adjustment, *if* the receiver and base are manufactured perfectly, you will have exactly half of that up and half down. Sometimes the machining tolerance error is in your favor, and sometimes not. So, it is more likely that you will only have 20MOA available in the scope. Choose your base and reticle accordingly.
scottys1 3 months ago
@scottys1 Good point, I have the CZ 550 Varmint Kevlar 308, which has those 19mm dovetails machined into the receiver, which has proved a little bit more difficult finding a 20 moa rail for it. CZ do a weaver rail, but it didn't have many slots, so I've ordered a picatinny rail from US Optics for it. I'm hoping I can still get a 100 yard zero with it, we'll have to see when it arrives! I have the mildot reticle so if I can't zero at 100, I can just create a 100yard zero on one of the mildots
P1LGY 3 months ago
@koolmike79 The 5.5-22 and F1 models have 100MOA total travel, with means that if you are lucky, you will have 50MOA. We both use 20MOA bases. These guns are not set up to shoot at a mile, the cartridge choices are all wrong to start with....
scottys1 3 months ago
This gets me excited for my incoming creedmoor build. I want to try it with the factory amax 140s
DallasfuckingTT 5 months ago
i like the 155 lapua. but whats the load you are using powder/primer?
MrROTTENJUGGALO 5 months ago
Lapua cases, FL resized, Varget, and Fed 210.
scottys1 5 months ago
I'm surprised by the creedmoor. not that it hit the target, but that it shot that tight at that range. I built a 6.5x47 Lapua (basically the same thing) and I figured it was limited to 1500 max, but never expected 1760
weaponeer 8 months ago
awesome!!
Harruff750 9 months ago
Nice... I really like watching the long range shooting vid's.... That's a talent... IMHO.... Cheers.
ohoh00007 9 months ago
for those 155's you might beable to get them more accurate using something like alliant 2000mr...i am seeing a solid 3000fps out of my 26" and still no pressure signs, and not at max load either
squid0013 9 months ago
This is a 22" barrel, the comfortable working load is 2940fps, but I like to take it easy on the brass, so I settled at a little under 2900. Add 4" to the barrel, and you'd get nearly 100fps more....
scottys1 5 months ago
Good work! I wish I had the room to shoot at that distance
blackriflear15 10 months ago
Glad to see the target cam again!
OnTaRgEt16 10 months ago
Great shooting Chuck and Scotty! I'm looking forward to getting back out shooting once I'm healed up from the wreck of the General.
JFComfort 10 months ago
@JFComfort
Get well amigo, that didn't look good.
scottys1 10 months ago
BC wise i feel the 175gr BT LR or the hornady 178 BTHP match would be more of a fair comparison. The .308 is going to lose supersonic relatively fast either way but the 175gr would help retain a little more energy. 175 gr BC (.264 G7), 155gr Scenar (.238G7)
ShadowAce56 10 months ago
@ShadowAce56
Yeah, these are our working loads, they have won plenty of matches out to 1000yds. Notice that both of us are shooting light bullets.
scottys1 10 months ago
@scottys1 Yeah not to take anything away from the shooting still great shooting. Definitely beyond the practical range for either cartridge. If you or your friend ever work up a high BC load with the .308 i would like to see the results. Not trying to implement a this vs that thing, just would like to see it. Great video. Hows the shot recovery time after shooting? Do you see your impacts through the scope?
ShadowAce56 10 months ago
@ShadowAce56
Yeah, we were spotting each other through our scopes. If you listen, you can hear me rack the bolt and then call the impact a couple times if I recall correctly....
scottys1 10 months ago
@scottys1 Yeah not to take anything away from the shooting still great shooting. Definitely beyond the practical range for either cartridge. If you or your friend ever work up a high BC load with the .308 i would like to see the results. Not trying to implement a this vs that thing, just would like to see it. Great video. Hows the shot recovery time after shooting? Do you see your impacts through the scope? Or see the vapor trail through the scope?
ShadowAce56 10 months ago
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jmtyndall 10 months ago
Great stuff! Even the misses are close considering the 1 mile distance.
tnoutdoors9 10 months ago
You guys are crazy. Those rifles aren't meant to shoot that far! LOL I thought I was doing something shooting a 6.5 Grendel at 1000 yards. You are some of the best I've seen on YT. What was the spin drift like at that range on the .308?
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision
Haha, that's the general idea. No idea on spin drift, it is pretty much impossible in non-linear conditions like that to observe and account for general air movement and hence back-calculate spin drift.
scottys1 10 months ago
what software and cameras are you using?
chillerboy134a 10 months ago
@chillerboy134a
Sony TRV250 20x zoom cams
Adobe Premier Pro
scottys1 10 months ago
very nice guys great video the same comparison with other rifles if your able to would be nice
ausmade 10 months ago
@ausmade
We'd love to do another one with .300's, .338's and .50's at some point. Won't be for some time, though.
scottys1 10 months ago 2
This video is like bacon wrapped filet mignon!
HypeBeGone 10 months ago
awesome stuff dude.
Afterburner8004 10 months ago
a+ work
wombatbull 10 months ago
Nice shot!
pmalveda02 10 months ago
great video
weaponeer 10 months ago
YES! a new video! and it dioesnt dissapoint!
mxf7010g8k 10 months ago