On the same lines on making assumptions, I am not consiracy theorist, I just have a brain But, its like saying someone that doesn't believe 1+1=3 is a conspiracy theorist. Do you take the red pill or blue pill?
I've seen all the footage, read all the reports and all the independent studies.
The world trade centre complex was a biomechanical holographonic direct data projection from the moon and an orbiting syzygy of three solid titanium photonic hyper-actualization satellites .
You guys are fucking pathetic. This sort of nonsense is like professional wrestling. At some point, you need to grow up and face the fact that it's not real. It's ok if watching Loose Change for the 1st time raises questions, but after you think about it, it should be clear how implausible it is that the government orchestrated a conspiracy of this magnitude involving thousands upon thousands of people and have kept it a secret for 10 years. Sorry. The moon landing wasn't a hoax either.
@muzicmaker2001 That frame shows the plane coming from further away than the frames from the side. The plane descended first, then went almost horizontal. What is strange about that? You know what? If it gives you excitement or gives you something to do, keep spreading the word. It's a conspiracy. When someone has a mindset like you, nothing will ever be good enough. It's like the people who now claim that Obama's long-form birth certificate is photoshopped. There's always a conspiracy.
@muzicmaker2001 Yea, all credible physicists are fucking pathetic. Let me guess...they're part of the "sheeple?" It's a conspiracy of epic proportions, pulled off flawlessly by our government and kept a secret for 10 years and going. Not one of the thousands of co-conspirators has bothered to speak up about this for 10 years. It may be the biggest deal in history, but nobody cares to come forward. Thank god we have plenty of college dropouts to discover the truth and set the record straight.
@muzicmaker2001 Haha yea the US government just silences whistleblowers all the time, don't they? No one died when they testified about Watergate. No one died because of the Valerie Plame leak. Hell, even Julian Assange hasn't been silenced. If our gov't was really that depraved, don't you think genius boy Alex Jones would've been silenced? Dylan Avery? You don't think ONE of the many people would say something and go down in history? Get a grip.
@muzicmaker2001 Evidence? You actually watch the clips on this video and think that what you're seeing is not the same in each one? You honestly think that these clips are edited to put a plane in there?
@navid500 This No Plane theory is boloney, but there is no doubt that the long form was altered, for example, there are a bunch of letter B's with the exact same pixelation, which is impossible, its like a fingerprint. I didn't believe it until I downloaded it and blew it up to like 1600%. Seriously, go check it out
@navid500 Have you, honestly, watched the whole series on this ? I am bewildered that you can make those ignorant comments after watching this ? Don't you have a brain ? are you blind ? or are you willingly ignorant. WOW. YOu must under stand the big picture, the machine, the top down-need-to-know system that orchestrates this. Not everyone was privy, but on a need to know baises, and most just followed orders and had no idea. LIke you, most blindly follow what the TV says on all matters. CATTLE
@Mozartmostly You think a handful of people pulled off the largest conspiracy in history...one that involved 4 "hijacked" planes and "demolishing" 3 WTC buildings in Manhattan? You're right. I'm the idiot. Let me guess...we didn't land on the moon either, did we?
@Mozartmostly You're right. Our government can't keep it a secret when we fire some US attorneys or wiretap a phone or waterboard a few people, but they've managed to keep the biggest conspiracy in history silent for 10 years. Not one person has decided to reveal the biggest secret in history.
On the other hand a person who believes that everyone is out to get them ie the government and everyone is conspiring against them is pretty much the signs of schizophrenia ! your government isnt attacking you thousands of witnesses werent paid off to lie about it all the hundreds midia personel were not in on it its just your head thats not right either that or your easily led and have a good imagination ! watch out for the reptilian NWO there coming to get ya !!!!!!!
right, its not the government, its the terrorists. remember the homeland security color code alerts? we interrupt this program to tell you we are now in yellow alert. no, wait its green. no, defintely red!!! red!! there's a terrorist behind you right now. what a bunch of bs. only the morons in this country and shills believe this crap. even other countries know the truth.
Are u for real you actually belive this ? for the government to be involved in this it would be at the very least a couple of hundred people involved and for a government to do this to their own without remorse the people involved would have to be psychopaths the normal functioning brain dissallows these kinds of actions it is possible for one or two of these people to be able to do this but not all of them so its pretty much impossible but an interesting fantasy none the less.
Dont get me wrong as crazy as these conspiracy theories are they do take away some of the glory for the terrorists who obviously put alot of effort into organising something like this and thats always good .
Ps. Whats your theory on the 7/7 terror attacks in london was that the british government that organised that ? maybe there was no trains that day ??????? NO TRAIN THEORY look ive just gave you another idea for a video !!!!!!
yes, who would doubt that 19 hijackers getting intel from some cave in afghanistan hijacked 4 planes and crashed them all on he same day with absolutely no intercept from the most advanced military in the world? i can clearly see your point now. lol
I love conspiracy theories especially ones as stupid as this ! Terrorists will always be trying to attack the west it's just the way it is sometimes there successful And it's quite disturbing that a nation can be quick to blame there own president r you's thick as shit next you'll be telling us the queen killed Diana and it wasn't her driver that was drunk and simply crashed ! Some of the conspiracy theories the Americans come up with are so stupid they scare me ! Bring back George bush !!!
Now personally I do believe that no planes were involved and I agree with what you put on the table.But anywho I have a personal opinion to ask you muzicmaker2001.
Which would have been smarter? Attack the buildings at day or night? I appreciate your opinion :)
I still believe there was another plane that crashed into the 2nd tower. Yes, these videos are clearly edited and messed with. Anyone could have gotten real videos of the crash, removed the real plane and put in another plane coming at another angle or altitude, creating this conspiracy. But there still could have been and probably was another plane since many eye witnesses including civilians, police, firefighters and more saw this happen directly at the scene.
another plane? wtf are you talking about? so, someone got these video and edited them with a different. angle and attitude just for fun? you do these clips are the ones shown by the media? no planes hit the towers. i know it's hard to do, but deal with it.
@seeknthetruth Orly nao? What about all the people that were on thoes two flights who all happened to DIE on 9/11 when two towers suddenly blew up? I guess they were covered up by the press too?
you are asking questions that can not be answered. try focusing on what we do know. obviously, in the clip above, these are not the same planes and you have no evidence supporting your editing theory.
@seeknthetruth Yea, the question cant be answered because the two flights that went missing with all the people on them were flown into the WTC buildings. This conspiracy of having no planes just makes everything much more harder and complicated than it needs to be. I never said ALL of them were edited, merely a few of them to create the illusion that they all must be wrong. The easiest solution to all this fighting: The planes existed. Now, we can get on with our lives, because I am. Goodbye.
i don't think anyone is stopping their lives on this. it is just a matter of using logic and common sense. this is not that complicated. fragile aluminum planes can not freely penetrate a steel wall. supposedly, an aluminum plane didn't penetrate concrete (pentagon). its that simple. once you learn the truth, you will be able to see the big picture. but, good luck to you anyway.
@seeknthetruth The only way it is unproven is if you submit to Magic Plane theory.
Why submit to the "science" of someone else, a person with no known credentials, instead of questioning why this person is motivated to make these videos?
Yet people with actual credentials, who are willing to put their real names down are considered accomplices to a hoax that would require hundreds of thousands of people to submit to.
for me , this is not a theory. it's a video showing discrepancies in the flight path of the same plane. that's it. there is no need to over-analyze it or request another opinion. i can trust my own eyes.
I'm talking about the perspective of each camera angle radically changing the perceived motion of the craft due to changes in Lens Size, Aperture, elevation....and you retort with eyeglasses?
Thankfully someone saved me the effort watch?v=k4Jahg9fxM4
@seeknthetruth No, I'm telling you that the videos do not provide (in the case of the different trajectory section in this video) a valid critique because they are specifically shot from different positions which cause an optical illusion of sorts that artificially change the flight path of the jet.
Unless on that day you watched the plane live crash with multiple trajectories, your only evidence as to the flight path are the videos.
but, I'm telling you that you're full of bs. you can clearly see that these are different flight paths so take your optical illusion bs somewhere else.
@seeknthetruth No, you can't see. In fact what you see are examples of Perspective Distortion.
If you honestly believe every single example here is an illusion, then you are admitting that what you see isn't real anyway. So you're defying what your "eyes" tell you.
I sometimes wonder though if not ALL the media is completely controlled. I could see how a lot of them actually believe in what they are doing and do not realize the horrible lies they help drill into people. I think too that the reason this kind of info is finally starting to come out is all due to people wanting to know more and more. I will admit, the No Plane Theory is by far the creepiest of all the points to make about 9/11!
Why is there a low freq boom right as the plane hits at 1:14? It has to be the noise of the plane crashing into the building because the explosion of fuel hasn't occurred yet. Secondly how does this sound travel so quickly to the camera? only explanation i could see is the audio track is off
@accordingleaf Maybe shes upset that her country is being ATTACKED MUCH? HELLO? Okay so your saying if you saw this LIVE with your OWN EYES you would be like. "Oh snap... another plane.... well okay fine with me."
About the 'whoops' on 3:51, you can clearly see in the clip right after that, that the plane stops descending as quickly as it does a few seconds before impact, showing that the extrapolation in 3:51 is not justified.
How do you explain DNA samples from people who were on flight 175 found on ground zero?
u can't be serious? a plane dissapears and u actually think dna samples were found? are you also one of the dumb asses that believes that the passport found was from one of the hijackers? frame 3:55? noone can be this stupid..wait, most of america
what a waste of my time. ur video just shows a guy giving his opinion. that was the boat load of what u call evidence..nice. try physics 101 for starters..good luck moron.
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Been watching these videos giving your theory a shot becasue these theories are interesting although completely wrong. No planes would have been to hard to keep a secret. You have to rely on no individual seeing anything in the biggest city in the world and then no individual who knew beforehand leaking info. Your own video shows different shots from different stations of the same impact.
There are plenty of people that saw "something." But, why would the media expose this/the leak when they were part of the cover-up? Thus, the internet...
As I sed be4 I respect your opinion but again the fact that you and others believe every1 was a part of this cover-up is crazy to me. I'm not saying the possibility isnt there but you could also hit the lotto 100 times. There would be millions of people that would have to keep this unda wraps. At least invent something creative like the rason for our bad economy is becuz they paid off every1 involved, but even then some1 would talk eventually. The networks r pro gov but thea wer planes I think.
@LsOLightsOuT yeah i was thinking the same thing when I saw that frame .. only those 2 people u see there know the truth (IF THEY WERE LOOKING IN FACT THAT MOMENT TO THE TOWERS)
What vid? This one on this page? Of course I watched it. I just didn't understand your question enough to answer it. I wanted you to repeat it with a little more clarity. It appears either English isn't your first language or you have problems constructing sentences for whatever reason. Please don't take any of this to be an insult. It's just I'm really not sure what your question is.
My English ain't 1st language. I ment how on one angle same "plane" is going diving until on other angel is going straigh and on third is going up? How is that possible?
But at 3:50 one tower over laps the other and in the next shot at 3:56 there is a clear gap between the towers. Different perspective/angle fact, not argument.
I agree that the two views are different lateral angles, but this is not the issue. For the plane to appear to at a lower angle vs. way above the Towers in two shots, the horizontal angle viewpoint has to change significantly. It does not change at all.
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That is my view. Different altitudes and distance. Close and high will give the same shot as far and higher. You seem to be presuming that all the shots are at the same distance.
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Yes, its much more likely that every news crew in the greater Manhattan area was in on the conspiracy - and NWO agents were running from person to person gathering any privat videos that might be out there.
And after all this, why do the no planers not show their faces in public?
So you think the planes would have bounced off the towers? And don't give me that crap about your qualificaions, unless you plan to produce scans of your diplomas, you are nothing more than a teenager with a computer.
Last guy I spoke with claimed to work for black water. And if you were a demolition guy, you would know pull it is not a demolition term.
"So you think the planes would have bounced off the towers?"
There should be IMMEDIATE damage to the planes, which are basically aluminum hollow tubes. So, first, the nose, which is one of weakest parts of a plane, should've compressed at impact. And, where's the debris from the plane falling to the ground? Where's the debris from the massive hole created in the Towers? See anything here? Nope...
There was immediate damage to the planes, the sides of the WTC were largely aluminum siding. There was debri on the ground, search around and you can find pictures. Most of the planes stayed in the towers, they are rather large after all.
Did you see the big hole in the side of the towers that just happens to be the size of a jet?
How many thousands of people working in the towers felt the impact?
How many more witnessed the Jets strike the tower? Did anyone see a missle? Hologram?
"In the late 1960's, Alcoa was approached to help design a new alloy for the World Trade Center. Alcoa created a unique aluminum "skin" and novel cladding system for the architects. T, a signature lightweight alloy developed by Alcoa for the World Trade Center, is credited with giving many tall buildings around the world their shiny, graceful appearance. Aluminum was used extensively in the construction, including the covering of the trademark Gothic forks around the base of the buildings."
Yes, and the idea was a plane lost in the fog, not a deliberate strike at full speed. Rather it was something akin to the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building.
And also remember that Mr. Frank Demartini predicted that, "The building probably could SUSTAIN MULTIPLE impacts of jet airliners." So, we are talking about two (or more)massive 707s slamming into the Towers without a collapse.
707 were the largest planes built until Boeing built the 747. A 707 is a less than a few feet smaller than a 767 in wingspan and in length. You re a run of the mill imbecile.
the flight was not a full load, flights take on as much as they need for the journey for the obvious reason of saving money, plus the journey was only a few states methinks. Do you think they thought a plane would be flying very slowly and have no fuel on it?
No, all the flights were from the East Coast to the West Coast. NOt something that is hard to researcn - but what the hell, twoofers dont like research do they?
And yes, the design anticipated something akin to the B25 strike.
Ok, so you seem to have studied this stuff, what one unrefutable proof do you have that the conspiracy of the government> What one item, if shown to be lie, takes down the hole shit story,
Lets here your best argument. And if you claim not planes hit the WTC then you already lost,
I love how the logic gets twisted that the video shows a plane impact, but that is ignored and the part of a witness being startled is proof there was no plane. Then what did the witnesses see? Holograms?
Its hard to imagine that anyone smart enough to use a computer would be stupid enough to believe the plane shown live on national TV was fake.
Tell me, how was it seen by people on the ground, THOUSANDS of people on the ground if it was a video hoax? You have no idea how stupid this theory is do you?
You destroy and credibility the movement might have, it is absolutely incredible that anyone could fall for this no plane theory shit.
Take out an add in NY Times and ask witnesses to come forward. You can start by interviewing the NYFD, NYPD, the move on to the port authority, then the media, the TV chopper pilots, and then start to interview the people on the ground. To deny witnesses is to deny the towers fell. Perhaps you think others are as stupid as you are, some how I doubt most are.
Since you are obviously insane, perhaps you best take your medication now.
You say thousands of people saw the planes, but have no proof? Speaking of the media. After the first plane impact, many reporters were covering the story from underneath the Towers. Can you post live coverage (or just a video) from this location showing the plane approaching/impacting from any reporter? This should be easy to find, right? After all, if thousands of people saw the planes, you would think that reporters saw them and recorded them also. Good luck...
Sure I have proof. Video evidence and photos are proof you moron. Again, you do not get to demand one type of evidence and ignore the rest. YOU have to explain ALL the evidence that contradicts your theory.
Prove the towers did not fall. Prove the passengers did not exists, since this is what the video claims. Prove you are not a brain in a jar.
I have seen videos and photos of King Kong. He must be real? I'm not demanding anything. Just using logic. On the biggest story of my lifetime, you would think (maybe you wouldn't??) that just ONE reporter would get a shot of Flight 175 just as tons of people just walking around did by chance. Did every reporter somehow forget to bring their camera or just go on strike? It's time to start using your head.
Don't bother with this shill. He's obviously not interested in the truth. His only purpose is to gather information on youtube to write his book, "Debunking for Dummies."
And all you are interested is clueless 911 conspiracys. Things like the Towers were not hit by planes, the towers did not fall, the hundreds of people on the planes did not die because there relatives were not waiting for them at LAX (yes, that is part of your conspiracy right?)
Who said the towers did not fall? Please direct me to where i said this or anyone else?
Classic fallacy argument )
I ask you.... 3 planes were heading to LAX airport. Where is the footage of the their relatives at this airport. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THAT AN AIRDISASTER HAS TAKEN PLACE, HERE WITH 3 PLANES, AND NOT ONE PERSON TURNS UP AT THE DESTINATION AIRPORT.
Since its highly likely that the passengers relatives were WATCHING the telecases, and were also aware that planes were being forced to land at the nearest airport, I doubt any would go to the airport.
And the reporter even says that a few did show, so the NO ONE argument is the fallacy.
However, if you claim the dead are not dead, or somehow never even existed, feel free to demonstrate this with tangible evidence.
You asked a stupid question and support lunatic notions. Its like asking for proof the towers fell. Show me the affidavits or witness testimony from thousands of people that the towers fell.
I ask the question for the following simple reason. Many people did not report seeing a large jet. Many people reported seeing a missile , a small plane, or nothing at all. You having being watching September clues and you will have seen these. ALso in Sept Clues you will note that all the initial witnesses who claim to have seen a plane are connected with the MSM. I am asking you again. Where are the witness testimonies of people who withnessed this event.People saw different things.
September clues is useless, making the argument you did (the people are not dead) is just ludicrous. There are passenger manifests, the families have gathered in memorial, look at how many showed up at Shanksville.
Are there ANY photos of a missle? No.
Do you typically go for any bullsh*t conspiracy or is this a recent illness?
September clues consists entirely of the video footage of the event as represented on Tv.
Again, you miss the point. THis series never speculates as to what happened to the passengers. JUst that TV footage was doctored to make it seem like planes hit.
Where in Septemer clues does it say that no passengers died? I suggest you utube CEECEE LYLES for a possible answer.
Once again, people who insult instead of argue prove they have no answer. Like the bully on the playground.Lets hear you.
"THis series never speculates as to what happened to the passengers. JUst that TV footage was doctored to make it seem like planes hit. "
You now allege the footage was doctored - in case you missed logic in school, that is speculation.
You play the same card as Holocaust deniers and moon landing conspiracits, you play the "i'm just searching for the truth" - if you did so, you would not parade out a single clip of one report about passenger familys at LAX,
The maker of Sept clues, Mr Simonshack, points out to the viewer the elements of TV fakery involved .
He does not make claims about what happened to passengers. Once again you try to put words into my/his mouth. Well done on that.
He does say that no large jet planes hit the twin towers. The official bureau of aviation statistics has no records of the alleged planes involved flying.
anyone reading this will see who is giving direct answers and who is huffing and puffing.
The plane does not pass through, there are limitations to digital and optical videos - you can take the video of any fast moving object filmed under similar circumstances and you will see the same phenomema.
Direct questions - direct answer time.
1) Did planes strike the towers?
2) If not, how do you explain that all media outlets showed the same event, that all video and photographic evidence supports this event?
I asked you specific questions, you have not answer them.
I'll repeat them for you. These are dircted to you.
1) What the hell is the official bureau of aviation statistics?
2) Did planes strike the towers?
3) If not, how do you explain that all media outlets showed the same event, that all video and photographic evidence supports this event? Specific answers, not generalities or the like.
4) If planes did not strike the towers. How do you explain the witnesses?
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Oh, and by the way, how is it even possible that if these were fake videos, then how could they all possibly have been aired on national, live television at the exact same time? I know you hate Bush, and I do too, but it honestly doesn't make sense why you have to create this sickening lies just to try and blame him for it
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How is ANY of this information relevant? The cameras are at diffrent angles, diffrent positions, are suspended at diffrent heights, and capture completely diffrent images of the crash. What actual evidence do you have to prove a single one of your bull shit videos? If you want to actually learn the truth of 9/11, then just watch any of the "debunking 9/11" videos available online. I find it so amusing to watch you show off your insecurity and need for attention by making all this worthless crap!
What? The videos are evidence. Here's more. Find one shot of Flight 175 (even approaching) from ANY reporter that was underneath the Towers after the first plane strike. There should be hundreds of clips, but, there is none. Better yet, find any live coverage from this location just before the second plane strike. Nada. Many reporters were there on scene, but no video clips and no live footage?? Yeah, right. Use your head and wake up.
Forget the videos. Angles and prespectives never can prove a thing. Just think of it this way: Airplane strikes-10,000 gallons of jet fuel ignite-gigantic inferno begins blazing-steel support trusses are softened and begin caving in (THEY DO NOT MELT)-floors begin bowing and curving inward-supports bow into their breaking points and snap-floors fall freely downward-support structures on lower floors are overwhelmed by the weight of the collapsing floors and cave in. It's that simple!
Curve ball. I don't believe there were planes. Subtract a 767 impact and jet fuel. And, you didn't bother to comment about the lack of even one video clip of Flight 175 from a reporter on scene after the first plane strike? Remember, there were ton of media from many countries reporting from underneath the Towers. A little odd, you think?
I don't know why (stupid) people after watching the videos showed by the mainstream media and some "amateur videos" still believe that airplanes hit the world trade center.
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As for me, I am done with this futile effort to bring sound logic and facts to the debate.
It sickens me to think there are so many people like yourself with this utterly irrational and insane view of the world.
The thing I hate the most however is that people may watch your unfounded and manipulative videos and through their own stupidity be swayed to your ridiculous point of view. People like you are a disease and if my posts have stopped one person from this insanity then it was worth it.
This is the normal reaction from debunkers when they are "caught" with no logical explanation. The moving bridge(wrong bridge)? The lack of even one video clip from the many reporters underneath the Towers (LIVE COVERAGE?)? The gash(not pixelation)? You have not explained any of these events. This is not "my view" of the world. Unfortunately, this is the truth and the videos expose that. I hope that the videos open up the minds of anyone watching them and push them to research the subject more.
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I have answered every one of your questions and watched every one of your videos and yet you still pound on the same moot points. Meanwhile you have given no motive for the cover-up or how and why the media covered it up in the first place. If this was a court room the judge would have laughed and sent you packing within minutes.
1) Terrorists hijack airplanes in a suicide mission to avenge the placement of "infidel" troops in holy lands as well as the US involvement with Israel.
2) The liberal media broadcasts fake video and doctors hundreds more to cover up a massive attack planned by the hated conservative Bush administration for absolutely no reason in the biggest conspiracy ever contrived and have been able to keep it secret for over 7 years.
1) and 3) No idea. How would I possibly know this?
2) There were only a few "live" shots shown on 911. These were given to the new stations before 911. The other shots were given to the news stations after 911 by "ordinary" people.
4)My credentials come from the University of common sense and logic. Logic 101: Since this was the biggest story that reporters will cover in their lifetimes, it was in their best interest to capture as many shots of Flight 175 as possible.
1) and 3) You are making a conspiracy claim with no motive. The burden of proof is on you to prove that 9/11 didn't happen the way it seemed while I watched it live on TV that morning.
2) So every major media outlet, CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, and CBS all participated in covering up 9/11?
4) There are different live shots from all 5 news networks. Also, 9/11 wasn't the biggest story ever until after the 2nd plane hit and we knew it was terrorism. Before the 2nd plane is was just a tragic accident.
1) and 3) I focus on the evidence, not the motive(unknown)
2)yes
4) Post the 5 different live news shots or email me directly. No excuses. There are NO shots from ANY reporter from ANY network from underneath the Towers after the first strike. This happen to be where most of the media was gathered. Logically, there should be hundreds.
The planes was TOTALLY REAL. And the FRAUD of 9/11 aswell
Inigo37 2 months ago
@TheMacowacko
On the same lines on making assumptions, I am not consiracy theorist, I just have a brain But, its like saying someone that doesn't believe 1+1=3 is a conspiracy theorist. Do you take the red pill or blue pill?
muzicmaker2001 2 months ago
@TheMacowacko
You just signed up two days ago for 911 shill duty or this just another sock puppet account? Either way, welcome to the matrix
muzicmaker2001 2 months ago
Hurricane Katrine was an inside job!!!!!
navid500 6 months ago
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NO BUILDINGS THEORY....
I've seen all the footage, read all the reports and all the independent studies.
The world trade centre complex was a biomechanical holographonic direct data projection from the moon and an orbiting syzygy of three solid titanium photonic hyper-actualization satellites .
There were no buildings.
This is fact people!
rockyonemambo 6 months ago
You guys are fucking pathetic. This sort of nonsense is like professional wrestling. At some point, you need to grow up and face the fact that it's not real. It's ok if watching Loose Change for the 1st time raises questions, but after you think about it, it should be clear how implausible it is that the government orchestrated a conspiracy of this magnitude involving thousands upon thousands of people and have kept it a secret for 10 years. Sorry. The moon landing wasn't a hoax either.
navid500 7 months ago
@navid500
Yep, the flight paths are all the same especially the high to low comparison at frame 3:35. I know what I'm dealing with now. Thanks for coming.
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 That frame shows the plane coming from further away than the frames from the side. The plane descended first, then went almost horizontal. What is strange about that? You know what? If it gives you excitement or gives you something to do, keep spreading the word. It's a conspiracy. When someone has a mindset like you, nothing will ever be good enough. It's like the people who now claim that Obama's long-form birth certificate is photoshopped. There's always a conspiracy.
navid500 7 months ago
@navid500
"You guys are fucking pathetic."
Aright..LOL. Good luck defending 911 and believing everything you are told.
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Yea, all credible physicists are fucking pathetic. Let me guess...they're part of the "sheeple?" It's a conspiracy of epic proportions, pulled off flawlessly by our government and kept a secret for 10 years and going. Not one of the thousands of co-conspirators has bothered to speak up about this for 10 years. It may be the biggest deal in history, but nobody cares to come forward. Thank god we have plenty of college dropouts to discover the truth and set the record straight.
navid500 7 months ago
@navid500
Are these experts credible also? They must a different kind of credible? There are not college drop-outs either...
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muzicmaker2001 7 months ago 2
@navid500
"Not one of the thousands of co-conspirators has bothered to speak up about this for 10 years"
Usually in a conspiracy, the pattern is you speak, you die. Its very simple.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Haha yea the US government just silences whistleblowers all the time, don't they? No one died when they testified about Watergate. No one died because of the Valerie Plame leak. Hell, even Julian Assange hasn't been silenced. If our gov't was really that depraved, don't you think genius boy Alex Jones would've been silenced? Dylan Avery? You don't think ONE of the many people would say something and go down in history? Get a grip.
navid500 6 months ago
@navid500
Yeah. I tend to focus on the evidence, not why didn't someone do this or do that. I'm not a mind reader.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Evidence? You actually watch the clips on this video and think that what you're seeing is not the same in each one? You honestly think that these clips are edited to put a plane in there?
navid500 6 months ago
@navid500
The planes don't even look real. The clips were edited as was the audio in this clip...wake up
watch?v=X5i07-kHgww
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago 2
@navid500 This No Plane theory is boloney, but there is no doubt that the long form was altered, for example, there are a bunch of letter B's with the exact same pixelation, which is impossible, its like a fingerprint. I didn't believe it until I downloaded it and blew it up to like 1600%. Seriously, go check it out
Stillwater900 6 months ago
@navid500 Have you, honestly, watched the whole series on this ? I am bewildered that you can make those ignorant comments after watching this ? Don't you have a brain ? are you blind ? or are you willingly ignorant. WOW. YOu must under stand the big picture, the machine, the top down-need-to-know system that orchestrates this. Not everyone was privy, but on a need to know baises, and most just followed orders and had no idea. LIke you, most blindly follow what the TV says on all matters. CATTLE
Mozartmostly 6 months ago 2
@Mozartmostly You think a handful of people pulled off the largest conspiracy in history...one that involved 4 "hijacked" planes and "demolishing" 3 WTC buildings in Manhattan? You're right. I'm the idiot. Let me guess...we didn't land on the moon either, did we?
navid500 6 months ago
@Mozartmostly You're right. Our government can't keep it a secret when we fire some US attorneys or wiretap a phone or waterboard a few people, but they've managed to keep the biggest conspiracy in history silent for 10 years. Not one person has decided to reveal the biggest secret in history.
navid500 6 months ago
Is it just me or at 1 min. does it look like somethings flying off after the explosion?
CivilandSimple 9 months ago
@seeknthetruth
On the other hand a person who believes that everyone is out to get them ie the government and everyone is conspiring against them is pretty much the signs of schizophrenia ! your government isnt attacking you thousands of witnesses werent paid off to lie about it all the hundreds midia personel were not in on it its just your head thats not right either that or your easily led and have a good imagination ! watch out for the reptilian NWO there coming to get ya !!!!!!!
jones666jones 1 year ago
@jones666jones
right, its not the government, its the terrorists. remember the homeland security color code alerts? we interrupt this program to tell you we are now in yellow alert. no, wait its green. no, defintely red!!! red!! there's a terrorist behind you right now. what a bunch of bs. only the morons in this country and shills believe this crap. even other countries know the truth.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth
Are u for real you actually belive this ? for the government to be involved in this it would be at the very least a couple of hundred people involved and for a government to do this to their own without remorse the people involved would have to be psychopaths the normal functioning brain dissallows these kinds of actions it is possible for one or two of these people to be able to do this but not all of them so its pretty much impossible but an interesting fantasy none the less.
jones666jones 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth
Dont get me wrong as crazy as these conspiracy theories are they do take away some of the glory for the terrorists who obviously put alot of effort into organising something like this and thats always good .
Ps. Whats your theory on the 7/7 terror attacks in london was that the british government that organised that ? maybe there was no trains that day ??????? NO TRAIN THEORY look ive just gave you another idea for a video !!!!!!
jones6661091 1 year ago
@jones6661091
yes, who would doubt that 19 hijackers getting intel from some cave in afghanistan hijacked 4 planes and crashed them all on he same day with absolutely no intercept from the most advanced military in the world? i can clearly see your point now. lol
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
I love conspiracy theories especially ones as stupid as this ! Terrorists will always be trying to attack the west it's just the way it is sometimes there successful And it's quite disturbing that a nation can be quick to blame there own president r you's thick as shit next you'll be telling us the queen killed Diana and it wasn't her driver that was drunk and simply crashed ! Some of the conspiracy theories the Americans come up with are so stupid they scare me ! Bring back George bush !!!
jones666jones 1 year ago
@jones666jones
ya know what i love? morons.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago 2
surely someone with far more computer skills than me could overlay all these images to a single 3D mock up showing the irregularities.
NOmeansnoFAN 1 year ago
Now personally I do believe that no planes were involved and I agree with what you put on the table.But anywho I have a personal opinion to ask you muzicmaker2001.
Which would have been smarter? Attack the buildings at day or night? I appreciate your opinion :)
GHthing 1 year ago
missile with clusters
kyleterence 1 year ago
@koncorde
I think that's what he meant by over analyzing this, right? LOL.
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
at 1:28 at the reexit you can see how the nose of the plane or something looking similar is seperated somehow
95predator 1 year ago
I still believe there was another plane that crashed into the 2nd tower. Yes, these videos are clearly edited and messed with. Anyone could have gotten real videos of the crash, removed the real plane and put in another plane coming at another angle or altitude, creating this conspiracy. But there still could have been and probably was another plane since many eye witnesses including civilians, police, firefighters and more saw this happen directly at the scene.
JohnIsUber247 1 year ago
@JohnIsUber247
another plane? wtf are you talking about? so, someone got these video and edited them with a different. angle and attitude just for fun? you do these clips are the ones shown by the media? no planes hit the towers. i know it's hard to do, but deal with it.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth Orly nao? What about all the people that were on thoes two flights who all happened to DIE on 9/11 when two towers suddenly blew up? I guess they were covered up by the press too?
JohnIsUber247 1 year ago
@JohnIsUber247
you are asking questions that can not be answered. try focusing on what we do know. obviously, in the clip above, these are not the same planes and you have no evidence supporting your editing theory.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth Yea, the question cant be answered because the two flights that went missing with all the people on them were flown into the WTC buildings. This conspiracy of having no planes just makes everything much more harder and complicated than it needs to be. I never said ALL of them were edited, merely a few of them to create the illusion that they all must be wrong. The easiest solution to all this fighting: The planes existed. Now, we can get on with our lives, because I am. Goodbye.
JohnIsUber247 1 year ago
@JohnIsUber247
i don't think anyone is stopping their lives on this. it is just a matter of using logic and common sense. this is not that complicated. fragile aluminum planes can not freely penetrate a steel wall. supposedly, an aluminum plane didn't penetrate concrete (pentagon). its that simple. once you learn the truth, you will be able to see the big picture. but, good luck to you anyway.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth The aluminium plane did penetrate the Pentagon...so it's entirely reasonable for it to penetrate a mostly hollow WTC.
This was proved not once, but twice.
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
Proven only in ur head. wake up
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth The only way it is unproven is if you submit to Magic Plane theory.
Why submit to the "science" of someone else, a person with no known credentials, instead of questioning why this person is motivated to make these videos?
Yet people with actual credentials, who are willing to put their real names down are considered accomplices to a hoax that would require hundreds of thousands of people to submit to.
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
for me , this is not a theory. it's a video showing discrepancies in the flight path of the same plane. that's it. there is no need to over-analyze it or request another opinion. i can trust my own eyes.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth Google Perspective distortion.
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
google Lenscrafters...
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth Um, relevance?
I'm talking about the perspective of each camera angle radically changing the perceived motion of the craft due to changes in Lens Size, Aperture, elevation....and you retort with eyeglasses?
Thankfully someone saved me the effort watch?v=k4Jahg9fxM4
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
are you actually trying to convince that my own eyes are lying? please take this somewhere else
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth No, I'm telling you that the videos do not provide (in the case of the different trajectory section in this video) a valid critique because they are specifically shot from different positions which cause an optical illusion of sorts that artificially change the flight path of the jet.
Unless on that day you watched the plane live crash with multiple trajectories, your only evidence as to the flight path are the videos.
I am explaining why there would be discrepancies.
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
but, I'm telling you that you're full of bs. you can clearly see that these are different flight paths so take your optical illusion bs somewhere else.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
@seeknthetruth No, you can't see. In fact what you see are examples of Perspective Distortion.
If you honestly believe every single example here is an illusion, then you are admitting that what you see isn't real anyway. So you're defying what your "eyes" tell you.
koncorde 1 year ago
@koncorde
yes, I get it now. everything is an illusion. for example, everytime you make a post, i just see bs. it is very clear now.
seeknthetruth 1 year ago
I sometimes wonder though if not ALL the media is completely controlled. I could see how a lot of them actually believe in what they are doing and do not realize the horrible lies they help drill into people. I think too that the reason this kind of info is finally starting to come out is all due to people wanting to know more and more. I will admit, the No Plane Theory is by far the creepiest of all the points to make about 9/11!
EnkiSvohden 1 year ago
Why is there a low freq boom right as the plane hits at 1:14? It has to be the noise of the plane crashing into the building because the explosion of fuel hasn't occurred yet. Secondly how does this sound travel so quickly to the camera? only explanation i could see is the audio track is off
MadWorld05 1 year ago
The woman at 0:42 sounds like she was inside the actual building when it happened. Overreacting? or staged?
accordingleaf 2 years ago
@accordingleaf Maybe shes upset that her country is being ATTACKED MUCH? HELLO? Okay so your saying if you saw this LIVE with your OWN EYES you would be like. "Oh snap... another plane.... well okay fine with me."
JohnIsUber247 1 year ago
@JohnIsUber247
Sorry. I've just never seen someone react that way in the news during accidents or anything.
accordingleaf 1 year ago
About the 'whoops' on 3:51, you can clearly see in the clip right after that, that the plane stops descending as quickly as it does a few seconds before impact, showing that the extrapolation in 3:51 is not justified.
How do you explain DNA samples from people who were on flight 175 found on ground zero?
jnoort 2 years ago
u can't be serious? a plane dissapears and u actually think dna samples were found? are you also one of the dumb asses that believes that the passport found was from one of the hijackers? frame 3:55? noone can be this stupid..wait, most of america
seeknthetruth 2 years ago 5
@seeknthetruth
Yes, I think DNA samples from a few flight 175 victims were found... Not many, but some, yes. Is that 'stupid'?
jnoort 2 years ago
@seeknthetruth
watch?v=3FCsqayKrSM
But your comments illustrate Conspiracy theorists logic even more.
1. Find an anomaly
2. Be to stupid to understand or explain it
3. Asking questions, not looking for answers
4. Proposing a new theory that contradicts everything a large body of corroborating evidence would suggest
5. Ignore evidence contradicting their own theory.
Way to go!
jnoort 2 years ago
what a waste of my time. ur video just shows a guy giving his opinion. that was the boat load of what u call evidence..nice. try physics 101 for starters..good luck moron.
seeknthetruth 2 years ago 2
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Your comments illustrate Conspiracy theorists logic even more... Always thinking they know better than the educated ppl.
jnoort 2 years ago
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Been watching these videos giving your theory a shot becasue these theories are interesting although completely wrong. No planes would have been to hard to keep a secret. You have to rely on no individual seeing anything in the biggest city in the world and then no individual who knew beforehand leaking info. Your own video shows different shots from different stations of the same impact.
MrYahoost 2 years ago
There are plenty of people that saw "something." But, why would the media expose this/the leak when they were part of the cover-up? Thus, the internet...
People that saw something:
watch?v=r5o_-KItOZU
Something (not a plane):
watch?v=gKvTep2cdF8
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
As I sed be4 I respect your opinion but again the fact that you and others believe every1 was a part of this cover-up is crazy to me. I'm not saying the possibility isnt there but you could also hit the lotto 100 times. There would be millions of people that would have to keep this unda wraps. At least invent something creative like the rason for our bad economy is becuz they paid off every1 involved, but even then some1 would talk eventually. The networks r pro gov but thea wer planes I think.
MrYahoost 2 years ago
notice at 1:11 the camera guy doesnt notice the plane?
DEFINETLY NO PLANE
LsOLightsOuT 2 years ago 52
@LsOLightsOuT yeah i was thinking the same thing when I saw that frame .. only those 2 people u see there know the truth (IF THEY WERE LOOKING IN FACT THAT MOMENT TO THE TOWERS)
McRoomster2009 6 months ago
Fuck despunkers
matti1080 2 years ago
muzicmaker2001 i love people like you that create more than 20 evidence of something. Dont Stop Dude! I Will watch it all
N1DE0N 2 years ago 2
So many shitty comments about diffrent angle. Diffrent angle doesn't change plans movement.
Mesina2 2 years ago
No it doesn't change the planes movement but it does change the viewers perception of the planes movement.
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
But one one angle plane gone diving until on other one went straight. How is that possible?!
Mesina2 2 years ago 8
What?
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
Didn't you watch this vid?
Mesina2 2 years ago
What vid? This one on this page? Of course I watched it. I just didn't understand your question enough to answer it. I wanted you to repeat it with a little more clarity. It appears either English isn't your first language or you have problems constructing sentences for whatever reason. Please don't take any of this to be an insult. It's just I'm really not sure what your question is.
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
My English ain't 1st language. I ment how on one angle same "plane" is going diving until on other angel is going straigh and on third is going up? How is that possible?
P.S.
It was retorical question.
Mesina2 2 years ago
It's not possible. Distance and/or altitude will not change the flight path of the same plane.
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
I'm telling that.
Mesina2 2 years ago
do you really believe there wasnt a plane?
dodgedart74 2 years ago
Another barrel scrape for proof. Different viewing perspectives. You really should be able to see that.
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
The amount of the roof shown (North Tower) between the two shots shown starting at frame 3:41disproves the perspective/angle arguement.
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
But at 3:50 one tower over laps the other and in the next shot at 3:56 there is a clear gap between the towers. Different perspective/angle fact, not argument.
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
I agree that the two views are different lateral angles, but this is not the issue. For the plane to appear to at a lower angle vs. way above the Towers in two shots, the horizontal angle viewpoint has to change significantly. It does not change at all.
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
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That is my view. Different altitudes and distance. Close and high will give the same shot as far and higher. You seem to be presuming that all the shots are at the same distance.
sillybuttons44 2 years ago
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Yes, its much more likely that every news crew in the greater Manhattan area was in on the conspiracy - and NWO agents were running from person to person gathering any privat videos that might be out there.
And after all this, why do the no planers not show their faces in public?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
I don't get it.
CO0002 2 years ago
Epic FAIL at 4:10
100% proof of fake planes.
ImyManz99 2 years ago 29
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Who the fuck is going to shoot it down? Do you think they had stingers on top of the towers?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
the nasa culd a called snipers on top of tower and be like "pew pew"
CO0002 2 years ago
0:36 holy FUCK!
piper5by5 3 years ago
Lenscrafters has a sale right now.
seeknthetruth 3 years ago 8
So you think the planes would have bounced off the towers? And don't give me that crap about your qualificaions, unless you plan to produce scans of your diplomas, you are nothing more than a teenager with a computer.
Last guy I spoke with claimed to work for black water. And if you were a demolition guy, you would know pull it is not a demolition term.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
"So you think the planes would have bounced off the towers?"
There should be IMMEDIATE damage to the planes, which are basically aluminum hollow tubes. So, first, the nose, which is one of weakest parts of a plane, should've compressed at impact. And, where's the debris from the plane falling to the ground? Where's the debris from the massive hole created in the Towers? See anything here? Nope...
watch?v=2ETZDA2HmyQ
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
There was immediate damage to the planes, the sides of the WTC were largely aluminum siding. There was debri on the ground, search around and you can find pictures. Most of the planes stayed in the towers, they are rather large after all.
Did you see the big hole in the side of the towers that just happens to be the size of a jet?
How many thousands of people working in the towers felt the impact?
How many more witnessed the Jets strike the tower? Did anyone see a missle? Hologram?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
"In the late 1960's, Alcoa was approached to help design a new alloy for the World Trade Center. Alcoa created a unique aluminum "skin" and novel cladding system for the architects. T, a signature lightweight alloy developed by Alcoa for the World Trade Center, is credited with giving many tall buildings around the world their shiny, graceful appearance. Aluminum was used extensively in the construction, including the covering of the trademark Gothic forks around the base of the buildings."
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Directly from the WTC Construction Manager:
watch?v=64W8bzXfGCA
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
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He BELIEVES it could withstand mutiple hits, he did not say it was DESIGNED to do so. The first in just his belief.
It was designed for a Boeing 707, unfortunetly, the planes that hit are larger than a 707.
Don't you just hate it when facts get in your way?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Because a news anchor calls the part an engine does not make it a complete engine. Ok?
Or do you think they planted the wrong engine as part of the conspiracy?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
"Don't you just hate it when facts get in your way? "
The facts:
"The Building was DESIGNED to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it."-Frank A. Demartini, WTC Construction Manager
A 707's max takeoff weight=336,000 pounds. 767's =395,000 pounds.
707's fuel capacity= 23,000 gallons. 767s=23,980 gals.
707's length=153 feet. 767's=159 feet.
707's wingspan=146 feet, 767's=156 feet.
A 707's cruise speed=607 mph, 767's=530 mph.
Accept the facts.....
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Yes, and the idea was a plane lost in the fog, not a deliberate strike at full speed. Rather it was something akin to the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
And also remember that Mr. Frank Demartini predicted that, "The building probably could SUSTAIN MULTIPLE impacts of jet airliners." So, we are talking about two (or more)massive 707s slamming into the Towers without a collapse.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Facts get in the way? I love how these paid debunkers make up their own "facts" as they go along. Nice bust. Ha ha.
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
What the hell does paid debunkers mean? Do you think people get paid to make you look foolish?
Anytime any place you want to go one on one in debate let me know.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Debate you? No thanx. I have better things to do then to listen to your lies, I mean facts.
seeknthetruth 3 years ago 6
So you do not seek the truth, you just hide behind your hatred.
Cool - another truther shown to be a coward.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
707 were the largest planes built until Boeing built the 747. A 707 is a less than a few feet smaller than a 767 in wingspan and in length. You re a run of the mill imbecile.
ssike0 3 years ago 2
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The towers were designed to withstand the impact of a plane lost in the fog, flying slow, and low on fuel.
Not the deliberate strike at high speed by a large jet with a full fuel load - no one had for seen this when the towers were built.
It was a scenario like the B25 strike at the empire state building.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
"I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jet airliners (707s)." -WTC Construction Manager Frank Demartini
watch?v=64W8bzXfGCA
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
the flight was not a full load, flights take on as much as they need for the journey for the obvious reason of saving money, plus the journey was only a few states methinks. Do you think they thought a plane would be flying very slowly and have no fuel on it?
keflar5 2 years ago
No, all the flights were from the East Coast to the West Coast. NOt something that is hard to researcn - but what the hell, twoofers dont like research do they?
And yes, the design anticipated something akin to the B25 strike.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
"There was immediate damage to the planes"
Can you post a video where this is shown? specifically the nose?
"There was debri on the ground"
There was an engine found almost 3 blocks from the Towers. Most of the planes stayed in the Towers? ok..
watch?v=c7Jo8vpeekU
"Did you see the big hole in the side of the towers that just happens to be the size of a jet?"
Interesting....
watch?v=yjQmxS-DpyM
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
the sides of the towers are aluminum sided steel beams genius.
ssike0 3 years ago 2
Ok, so you seem to have studied this stuff, what one unrefutable proof do you have that the conspiracy of the government> What one item, if shown to be lie, takes down the hole shit story,
Lets here your best argument. And if you claim not planes hit the WTC then you already lost,
Denierbud11 3 years ago
So every media was in on the conspiracy? Can you list the players? FEMA, NIST, FAA, CIA,FBI, NYPD, NYFD, Spec ops?
And not one person has come forward? Not one traitor to the group?
LOL
Denierbud11 3 years ago
I love how the logic gets twisted that the video shows a plane impact, but that is ignored and the part of a witness being startled is proof there was no plane. Then what did the witnesses see? Holograms?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
It should be noted the noble truthers do not seek the truth.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
skyracher....do you have a REAL VIDEO showing an airplane crashin' in the WTC??
Let me tell you this, MOST of the fucking "TRUTHERS"
(alex jones,dylan avery ,steven jones,etc etc.) know that there were NOT airplanes involved on 9/11/2001
They don't say it because that will END their modus vivendi...people would stop givin' "DONATIONS".
merged 3 years ago
Excellent collection of contradiction.
Usually the video footage of a murder would be the number one piece of evidence.
But in this case, involving mass murder, each piece of video evidence simply cancels out another. It would be thrown out of a court in one second.
skyarcher 3 years ago 3
Its hard to imagine that anyone smart enough to use a computer would be stupid enough to believe the plane shown live on national TV was fake.
Tell me, how was it seen by people on the ground, THOUSANDS of people on the ground if it was a video hoax? You have no idea how stupid this theory is do you?
You destroy and credibility the movement might have, it is absolutely incredible that anyone could fall for this no plane theory shit.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
You say 'thousands' of people witnessed the largest mass murder on US soil in living memory.
Please point me to the witness testimonies of these thousands of people? I would like to read them..
Lets hear you )
skyarcher 3 years ago
Take out an add in NY Times and ask witnesses to come forward. You can start by interviewing the NYFD, NYPD, the move on to the port authority, then the media, the TV chopper pilots, and then start to interview the people on the ground. To deny witnesses is to deny the towers fell. Perhaps you think others are as stupid as you are, some how I doubt most are.
Since you are obviously insane, perhaps you best take your medication now.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
You say thousands of people saw the planes, but have no proof? Speaking of the media. After the first plane impact, many reporters were covering the story from underneath the Towers. Can you post live coverage (or just a video) from this location showing the plane approaching/impacting from any reporter? This should be easy to find, right? After all, if thousands of people saw the planes, you would think that reporters saw them and recorded them also. Good luck...
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Sure I have proof. Video evidence and photos are proof you moron. Again, you do not get to demand one type of evidence and ignore the rest. YOU have to explain ALL the evidence that contradicts your theory.
Prove the towers did not fall. Prove the passengers did not exists, since this is what the video claims. Prove you are not a brain in a jar.
LOL
What an idiot, how old are you?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
"Video evidence and photos are proof you moron"
I have seen videos and photos of King Kong. He must be real? I'm not demanding anything. Just using logic. On the biggest story of my lifetime, you would think (maybe you wouldn't??) that just ONE reporter would get a shot of Flight 175 just as tons of people just walking around did by chance. Did every reporter somehow forget to bring their camera or just go on strike? It's time to start using your head.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Don't bother with this shill. He's obviously not interested in the truth. His only purpose is to gather information on youtube to write his book, "Debunking for Dummies."
seeknthetruth 3 years ago
And all you are interested is clueless 911 conspiracys. Things like the Towers were not hit by planes, the towers did not fall, the hundreds of people on the planes did not die because there relatives were not waiting for them at LAX (yes, that is part of your conspiracy right?)
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Who said the towers did not fall? Please direct me to where i said this or anyone else?
Classic fallacy argument )
I ask you.... 3 planes were heading to LAX airport. Where is the footage of the their relatives at this airport. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THAT AN AIRDISASTER HAS TAKEN PLACE, HERE WITH 3 PLANES, AND NOT ONE PERSON TURNS UP AT THE DESTINATION AIRPORT.
You can come back with insults. Please do.
Some people get this some dont.
Do u watch a lot of TV?
Do you believe it all?
skyarcher 3 years ago
Since its highly likely that the passengers relatives were WATCHING the telecases, and were also aware that planes were being forced to land at the nearest airport, I doubt any would go to the airport.
And the reporter even says that a few did show, so the NO ONE argument is the fallacy.
However, if you claim the dead are not dead, or somehow never even existed, feel free to demonstrate this with tangible evidence.
I do not watch TV.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
I asked you a simple question. You attack me.
Do you watch a lot of TV?
skyarcher 3 years ago
You asked a stupid question and support lunatic notions. Its like asking for proof the towers fell. Show me the affidavits or witness testimony from thousands of people that the towers fell.
What next, should I prove the Earths is not flat?
LOL
Denierbud11 3 years ago
I ask the question for the following simple reason. Many people did not report seeing a large jet. Many people reported seeing a missile , a small plane, or nothing at all. You having being watching September clues and you will have seen these. ALso in Sept Clues you will note that all the initial witnesses who claim to have seen a plane are connected with the MSM. I am asking you again. Where are the witness testimonies of people who withnessed this event.People saw different things.
skyarcher 3 years ago
September clues is useless, making the argument you did (the people are not dead) is just ludicrous. There are passenger manifests, the families have gathered in memorial, look at how many showed up at Shanksville.
Are there ANY photos of a missle? No.
Do you typically go for any bullsh*t conspiracy or is this a recent illness?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
September clues consists entirely of the video footage of the event as represented on Tv.
Again, you miss the point. THis series never speculates as to what happened to the passengers. JUst that TV footage was doctored to make it seem like planes hit.
Where in Septemer clues does it say that no passengers died? I suggest you utube CEECEE LYLES for a possible answer.
Once again, people who insult instead of argue prove they have no answer. Like the bully on the playground.Lets hear you.
skyarcher 3 years ago
Skyarcher
You claim
"THis series never speculates as to what happened to the passengers. JUst that TV footage was doctored to make it seem like planes hit. "
You now allege the footage was doctored - in case you missed logic in school, that is speculation.
You play the same card as Holocaust deniers and moon landing conspiracits, you play the "i'm just searching for the truth" - if you did so, you would not parade out a single clip of one report about passenger familys at LAX,
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Your video claims that the passengers did not exist and/or the flights were fake.
Do you support this supposition? If not, why do you not denounce it as unsuported speculation?
Direct answer, can you give a direct answer?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
The maker of Sept clues, Mr Simonshack, points out to the viewer the elements of TV fakery involved .
He does not make claims about what happened to passengers. Once again you try to put words into my/his mouth. Well done on that.
He does say that no large jet planes hit the twin towers. The official bureau of aviation statistics has no records of the alleged planes involved flying.
anyone reading this will see who is giving direct answers and who is huffing and puffing.
skyarcher 3 years ago
1) There are no elements of tv vakery and you have not demonstrated that there is such.
2) He makes allegations and leads the uneducated to draw conclusions that are patently false.
3) The airlines fly regular routs, there are flight manifests and every concievable bit of evidence to support they exist.
4) What the hell is the official bureau of aviation statistics?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
You are from the fox news school of arguing.
1. Shout. dont listen to reply and dont reply.
2. insult. Do you know how many times I have heard the one about medication?
3. When asked for something specific which you then cannot come up with, shout, insult again, and change topic quickly.
Finally, like here, ignore all evidence and shout out loud again.
Some get this some dont. I will not think for you make your own mind up.
Keep up the insults and circular arguments.
skyarcher 3 years ago
That the footage was doctored is not speculation it is fact.
1. plane hits building and passes through without deforming in any way. fake.cnn
2. plane hits building comes out other side intact. fake.fox
3. this utube video shows in a very simple and direct way that TV different clips of this one event differ and simply disqualify eachother. fake.
You talk about logic. I respectfully suggest you dont talk about logic but look up what it means to be brainwashed.
skyarcher 3 years ago
All three statements are false.
The plane does not pass through, there are limitations to digital and optical videos - you can take the video of any fast moving object filmed under similar circumstances and you will see the same phenomema.
Direct questions - direct answer time.
1) Did planes strike the towers?
2) If not, how do you explain that all media outlets showed the same event, that all video and photographic evidence supports this event?
3) How do you explain witnesses?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
see previous answer.
skyarcher 3 years ago
I asked you specific questions, you have not answer them.
I'll repeat them for you. These are dircted to you.
1) What the hell is the official bureau of aviation statistics?
2) Did planes strike the towers?
3) If not, how do you explain that all media outlets showed the same event, that all video and photographic evidence supports this event? Specific answers, not generalities or the like.
4) If planes did not strike the towers. How do you explain the witnesses?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
I should also add:
5) If planes did not strike the towers, what did?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
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They're different angles moron!
MarioParty4evur 3 years ago
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Oh, and by the way, how is it even possible that if these were fake videos, then how could they all possibly have been aired on national, live television at the exact same time? I know you hate Bush, and I do too, but it honestly doesn't make sense why you have to create this sickening lies just to try and blame him for it
mjbmdct58 3 years ago
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How is ANY of this information relevant? The cameras are at diffrent angles, diffrent positions, are suspended at diffrent heights, and capture completely diffrent images of the crash. What actual evidence do you have to prove a single one of your bull shit videos? If you want to actually learn the truth of 9/11, then just watch any of the "debunking 9/11" videos available online. I find it so amusing to watch you show off your insecurity and need for attention by making all this worthless crap!
mjbmdct58 3 years ago
What? The videos are evidence. Here's more. Find one shot of Flight 175 (even approaching) from ANY reporter that was underneath the Towers after the first plane strike. There should be hundreds of clips, but, there is none. Better yet, find any live coverage from this location just before the second plane strike. Nada. Many reporters were there on scene, but no video clips and no live footage?? Yeah, right. Use your head and wake up.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Forget the videos. Angles and prespectives never can prove a thing. Just think of it this way: Airplane strikes-10,000 gallons of jet fuel ignite-gigantic inferno begins blazing-steel support trusses are softened and begin caving in (THEY DO NOT MELT)-floors begin bowing and curving inward-supports bow into their breaking points and snap-floors fall freely downward-support structures on lower floors are overwhelmed by the weight of the collapsing floors and cave in. It's that simple!
mjbmdct58 3 years ago
Curve ball. I don't believe there were planes. Subtract a 767 impact and jet fuel. And, you didn't bother to comment about the lack of even one video clip of Flight 175 from a reporter on scene after the first plane strike? Remember, there were ton of media from many countries reporting from underneath the Towers. A little odd, you think?
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
they couldn't be underneath the towers;the police wouldn't allow it.
MarioParty4evur 3 years ago
Ok. No reporter shots of Flight 175 from here:
watch?v=aBOd1XB943o
It would be easy enough. Just point the camera in the direction of the plane. Got anything yet?
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Dude how bout you find coverage of under the towers after the first plane hit.
endandout 3 years ago
That's my point. There is no live coverage after the first plane strike, but there were reporters underneath the Towers covering the story.
watch?v=wvOVR5GLD3c
Knowing that, there is not one shot of Flight 175 from any reporter from this location.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
I don't know why (stupid) people after watching the videos showed by the mainstream media and some "amateur videos" still believe that airplanes hit the world trade center.
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As for me, I am done with this futile effort to bring sound logic and facts to the debate.
It sickens me to think there are so many people like yourself with this utterly irrational and insane view of the world.
The thing I hate the most however is that people may watch your unfounded and manipulative videos and through their own stupidity be swayed to your ridiculous point of view. People like you are a disease and if my posts have stopped one person from this insanity then it was worth it.
dcwilson26 3 years ago
This is the normal reaction from debunkers when they are "caught" with no logical explanation. The moving bridge(wrong bridge)? The lack of even one video clip from the many reporters underneath the Towers (LIVE COVERAGE?)? The gash(not pixelation)? You have not explained any of these events. This is not "my view" of the world. Unfortunately, this is the truth and the videos expose that. I hope that the videos open up the minds of anyone watching them and push them to research the subject more.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
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If you want a good read, go to debunking911*c0m
dcwilson26 3 years ago
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I have answered every one of your questions and watched every one of your videos and yet you still pound on the same moot points. Meanwhile you have given no motive for the cover-up or how and why the media covered it up in the first place. If this was a court room the judge would have laughed and sent you packing within minutes.
dcwilson26 3 years ago
Since you like to throw around "common sense".
What is more likely?
1) Terrorists hijack airplanes in a suicide mission to avenge the placement of "infidel" troops in holy lands as well as the US involvement with Israel.
2) The liberal media broadcasts fake video and doctors hundreds more to cover up a massive attack planned by the hated conservative Bush administration for absolutely no reason in the biggest conspiracy ever contrived and have been able to keep it secret for over 7 years.
dcwilson26 3 years ago 2
Now it is time for YOU to answer some of MY questions.
1) Who is covering this up?
2) How was the live news coverage as well as the hundreds of home videos manipulated?
3) If there were no planes involved, what happened to all the people who boarded flights 11, 175, 77 and 93?
4) What credentials in structural engineering, physics, explosives and/or demolition do you posses and from what university?
dcwilson26 3 years ago
1) and 3) No idea. How would I possibly know this?
2) There were only a few "live" shots shown on 911. These were given to the new stations before 911. The other shots were given to the news stations after 911 by "ordinary" people.
4)My credentials come from the University of common sense and logic. Logic 101: Since this was the biggest story that reporters will cover in their lifetimes, it was in their best interest to capture as many shots of Flight 175 as possible.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
1) and 3) You are making a conspiracy claim with no motive. The burden of proof is on you to prove that 9/11 didn't happen the way it seemed while I watched it live on TV that morning.
2) So every major media outlet, CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, and CBS all participated in covering up 9/11?
4) There are different live shots from all 5 news networks. Also, 9/11 wasn't the biggest story ever until after the 2nd plane hit and we knew it was terrorism. Before the 2nd plane is was just a tragic accident.
dcwilson26 3 years ago
1) and 3) I focus on the evidence, not the motive(unknown)
2)yes
4) Post the 5 different live news shots or email me directly. No excuses. There are NO shots from ANY reporter from ANY network from underneath the Towers after the first strike. This happen to be where most of the media was gathered. Logically, there should be hundreds.
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago