NPO Saturn 'Article 117S' - Su-35-1&PAK-FA Prototype Engine

[Jaszczur123]

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[parlimage]

You guy's... Only comparing specs.... You only forgot the most crucial part of flying.... THE PILOT'S.... Voila!

[Offtop2006]

PAK-FA:

/watch?v=mp0yd6no7B4

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[mariodivine]

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[TeslaGenius]

She is SUPERsonic !

Of course I talk about girl -TV speaker l!!

If Russian planes become like Russian girls nothing will come even close to them in quality !

GO 117S Pak Fa needs you !

[Spetsnazovets]

PEOPLE!!! Stop arguing. Here are facts i learned from USAF pilots during 2 different airshows: F15A/B/C/D/E are not as manuverable as Su27. F-16 and MiG-29 have qualities that put them on par with each other. F-18A/B/C/D are inferior manuverability-wise to both MiG and Su and that has been confirmed to me by USAF pilots.

I don't pretend to know avionics but unlike US, russians dont tell everyone of the upgrades, they just do them.

As for PAK-FA - its only a project. Don't hold your breath.

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[TeslaGenius]

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[trisky1234]

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[TeslaGenius]

@trisky1234

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[Globox822]

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[alvesrocha]

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[James60657]

I think the Russian design will be similar to the f-22. They will attempt to match the performance as states at the Paris air show 2008. I wounder if they will stick with 3d or 2d thrust vectoring. Russia liked our idea since the way the US does 2d thrust vectoring makes it more difficult for heat-seekers to hit. At the same time you give up a little agility but have a tighter turn radius. Seriously, who will do a "helicopter" in combat and bleed off all that energy? Can we please be nice?

[twinoceans]

Nah, it has been stated that Russian 5th generation fighter will be comparable with the f-35, which is a compromise between cost and compability. Though as much as I love and support the PAK FA, I don't have much expectation in it due to its severely lack of funding in comparison to the US counterparts, even with Indian money. Lack of funding always means certain tech researches and incorperations have to drop out, thus compromising the performances.

[rakeshroy87]

going by tonnage the pak fa will lie between f-35 and heavier f-22.

giving less money for research will develop a inferior aircraft,please do not suffer from such prejudices,didn't the americans put in more funding for f-15 eagles ,still the flankers with lesser funding outperformed them on every front.

first the americans would have spent money to discover stealth,then to optimize design then radar absorbent materials etc.

russians already know the basic lines on which to proceed:less money

[twinoceans]

no. su-27 is not superior on every front. Each has its own advantages over the others. It's you who need to cut the prejudice. And where did you get the idea that su-27 program get less funding? Please, stop making up crap to make your point more convincing. Soviet Union focused most of its resources into the flanker program, viewing as its top priority. The americans already had a legacy of stealth to start with, dating back all the way from SR-71, f-117, tacit blue, b-2, while Russia has none.

[rakeshroy87]

first point,legacy of producing fighters doesnt guarantee superior aircraft.if your arguement had to be true then in WW2 soveits didnt have any expirience to design modern warplanes,their warplanes resembled gliders but look how they defended against germans' B-109,also who would have expected soveit T-34 to turn out to be best tank of WW2 with production legacy nowhere near hitler's germany

as for ur flanker query if a person beats another on 9 out of 10 fronts he can be called clear winner

[stealthyf23]

Irrelevant! WW2 is not the 21st century. Technologies back there were simple enough to catch up in a very short time, unlike now, where technologies, due to its complexity, take a long time to achieve. It's always easier and takes less time to copy a wheelcart then to do the same with a NASCAR car.

[rakeshroy87]

first i'am not talking about A.D,its WW2,the aircraft that americans boast of,pride of USAF B-2 spirit is a copied german WW2 design which they recovered from german camps

next,when USSR broke up it was already ahead of US ,so the time russia lost to regroup actually neutralized soveit lead rather than giving US any advantage.

mig29 is superior to its counterpart f-16

flankers are superior to f-15,f-18 anyday

and guess what,in all probability pak fa should be superior to f-22.

[stealthyf23]

I never talked about A.D. I was talking about WW2. As for the post about b-2: completely ignorant! the flying wing design were first introduced by germans, but the b-2 was a totally different level of tech, like a wheel cart in comparison to a nascar car. Yes, the nascar car use the same "wheel innovation" for moving but to say the nascar car is a copy of the wheelcart is completely ignorant. As for USSR ahead of US at the end of Cold War: please open a freakin' book! Uneducated fanbois rants.

[stealthyf23]

We've talked for a while now, and you have yet to provide anything logical accept wishful thinkings of a little kid. If you can't reply with logic and educated facts, then please stop embarrassing yourself by posting your ignorance and wasting my time.

[twinoceans]

Thirdly, since the fall of USSR, Russia has been lagging in its military programs, resulting in more money to do research now as it tries to bring about the PAK FA since it doesn't have starters like the americans with their ATF program, which results in the f-22 (many tech employed in f-22 were already researched in other programs thus ATF program don't have to spend money for those tech).

[rakeshroy87]

well agreed russia lost some 9 to 10 years to regroup but now its emerging,and boy look at the effect,it gave NATO an ultumatum to withdraw from russian seas within 21 days or get attacked.next,since russian tech goes 5 years behind and considering US flew f-22 first in 97',had pak fa flown in 2002 it would have been equivalent ,but it now flies in 2009 ,guess it has to be far superior to f-22

but at the moment lets keep it at par with f-22,atleast f-35 should be a sitting duck in against pakfa

[stealthyf23]

First of all, it's emerging. No one argue with that, but it has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Secondly, just because it flow in a later date, it will be superior? You have no proof that it will be on par with f-22. All the logical evidence that I pointed out only points toward that it will not. I'm sorry, there's no logic whatsoever in this post, the only thing I get is smelling fanbois rants.

[edwong3]

It is not out of the ordinary for either Russia, or the US to leapfrog over the other in different technologies over the years. But it is more common for Russian weapon systems to outclass their Western/US counterparts either contemporarily, or introduced afterwards. Think S-300 vs Patriot, SU-27 vs F-15. This is a trend, so it is plausible to believe that the PAK-FA can in fact outclass the F-22 when it's finally in service. You have no points to prove anything, and no I am not a "fan boy".

[stealthyf23]

su-27 is better than f-15? says who? you? And it's a trend, eh? Says who? You again?

[edwong3]

"su-27 is better than f-15? says who? you? And it's a trend, eh? Says who? You again?"

How about the USAF? Why go through the trouble and expense of developing the F-22 if it weren't true? Duhhh!!! The time will come when Russia has a more capable plane than the Raptor, and then the West will try to beat that, and then Russia again, etc.. It's the way it's always been. What planet did you grow on?

[stealthyf23]

uh, no. The design objective of ATF (which spawned f-22) is to overwhelm any current threat or future threat. Parity or slight advantage is considered unacceptable if you are aiming for total dominance of the sky. They also needed an aircraft that can penetrate Russian air defense on first day of war.

[edwong3]

The ATF program doesn't have a crystal ball to say that they can design weapon systems to counter "future threats". So again, I reiterate that both the United States, and Russia have exchanged technological leadership over one another in different sectors, including military hardware throughout the years. This is a realistic way to to effectively use critical thinking about the topic; rather than make blanket statements about the West having some insurmountable technological advantage over all.

[stealthyf23]

I've never said that the ATF would succeed. I'm only stating that your logic, by using the fact of the f-22's birth to prove that su-27 is better than f-15, was childish, stupid, and ignorant. And did I ever said that US acceeds Russia in every facet of life? Absolutely no. I'm only making an educated guess basing on technological availibility, industrial basing, funding of the current time in the issue of the PAK-FA alone, which I already said to rakeshroy below.

[edwong3]

I wasn't going to answer you but I came across this video again. Your "educated guess", and my logic has no relevance on this matter! There are numerous sources that do back up my assertion about the advantages of the late generation SU-27 over the F-15 no matter what variant. Rather than jump to conclusions read publications like Jane's Military Magazine. They tell the TRUE story based on the evaluations of EXPERTS, and not "educated guesses". I think I've expressed myself very maturely.

[stealthyf23]

as for relevancy, it's your logic that has no relevance. Assume that su-27 is better for the sake of argument, that cannot be used to lead to a conclusion about f-22 against PAK FA. This completely takes out factor of economic strength, Aerospace industry strength, off-the-shelf-tech, etc. as I have indicated earlier. You have yet to counter any of these points, which I do not feel the need to write again, since you can read it in my response to rakeshroy.

[edwong3]

(Cont) So your assertion that my logic was "childish", "stupid", and "ignorant" is the typical response I see on YouTube from people who cannot accept they're wrong! I do have to give you credit that you didn't use profane language. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered at all to answer your post. Back to the topic, the introduction of the SU-27 and the MiG-29 fueled the funding behind ATF ($20 Billion, and still counting!) as the West lost it's edge when these jets were put into service.

[stealthyf23]

Accept that I'm wrong. And what have you done to prove that I'm wrong or even just countering my argument in a logical way. I said that US wants total dominance of the air, even against future threat. That was the idea behind ATF. Russia built improved variants of Su-27 or Mig-29, US could have done the same, built improved variants of f-15, f-16, etc. They didn't. Slightly better is unacceptable. If you don't believe me, you can go to my channel and look for yf-23 ATF video.

[stealthyf23]

As for su-27 being better in some aspects than f-15? Never disagreed. However, it's a extremely oversimplification, overlooked, lack of information (i'm replacing "ignorant" with these words, as I respect your manner not reducing to mindless bashing) to say that su-27 is better, since the same can be said for f-15 being better than su-27 in other aspects.

[stealthyf23]

I'm growing on planet earth, where history, the complexity of weapon technology, political, economical situations, industrial bases play a part in my thinking process, not just some childish oversimplification that devoid of intellect.

[ukrainesuperpower87]

"su-27 is better than f-15? says who"

yes of course

su-25 was designed to beat eagle in every way

[sirhalyavshik]

uh... you've made a little mistake - su 25 is frogfoot

maybe you mean su 27 afterall?

[ukrainesuperpower87]

my mistake. i mean su-27 of course!

[IronManu77]

I totally agree with you. And I have mentioned to other comments repeatedly that the location of the battle matters. We are not going to see any country attacking the US by ground or air forces, however, USA has 99.99% chance of doing so, and if it were to trespass on Russian territory or Russian interests, then the US forces will lose the battle in a few days. Location, location, location....that is the formula for winning. [Crocodile cannot beat you on land, but in water, it is unbeatable]

[twinoceans]

Forthly, The advantages of US over Russia even during the cold war like stealth, composite materials, avionics, speed in spacific and in the aerospace industry as a whole only makes my point more valid. Less money means you will have to compromise its abilites due to less research and less resources, as well as less expansive materials (composite materials , or complex sensors and electronic suits for example).

[SovietWarrior]

Stealth is bullshit, and I don't think Russia has a true place for the concept in it's military. Face it, even mighty USSR (12% of GDP for military) didn't develop ANY Stealth experimental plane WHATSOEVER. The reasons might hide in the hardware application doctrine, tactics, or the need to mass-produce an optimally efficient fighter in a SINGLE factory complex.

You just CAN'T massproduce a very complex jet without having a vulnerabe industrial base.

High-level stealth is only for show-off.

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