@McConaughyHancock Please refute the claims of all those greeks who claimed to have been in conflict with the gods or refute the claims of the greeks who said they were having Zues child were they liars? When a christian says they see god in people they dont actually see god in others they simply think being nice is a godlike quality.
@McConaughyHancock Please tell me youre making some silly joke! The burden of proof falls upon the person making the claim! Please refute the claim that there is an invisible unicorn standing next to everyone.
The burden of proof falls on both parties. Evidence is in each person! Every Christian has their own experience in coming to Christ, do you mean to say that millions world wide are all liars and fakers? I respect your being truthful and open against the existence of GOD, but to openly say that "there is no loving GOD" does that not impose YOUR belief on others? Faith does not require any proof PERIOD.
do I have to shave my head and grow a goatee beard to be an atheist? I mean, I am an atheist, but I don't know if I can join the club without these. Can someone confirm?
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless.
Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
I live in Texas. And knowing Texas as very religious when I saw at my school a bible course and that it said not a religious course. Just looking at it made me laughed so hard.
@21scuderia What Church are you talking about? Because not all Churches feed the poor and help the sick. The most fundamentalist church I went to, knowing that I didn't have money for meals during their all day services, where there were 3 services in 1 day, would not feed me unless I paid them money and resented me because I was a teenager and didn't tithe. Even though, I WORKED in the nursery, helped clean all day sometimes. Not every church helps the sick and feeds the poor.
@659851 lol, this vid is from 2008. Matt sports grey hairs in his beard and pretty much just sorta nods and raises his eyebrows at the camera when the intro music is playing now. But yeah, if YouTube was a way of giving advice to people three years in the past. s'a good comment. #LOL
@7strawman7 Truly? The Quran speaks of itself as being the bible uncorrupted, they worship the same god YOU do you know. The Bhagavad Gandi has many explanations equally plausible about the universe as a whole as the bible. The Vedas has many fables about asian Indian heroes and warriors that are just as plausible as Jesus' miracles.
The fact is, you don't consider them holy, and that makes them not holy to you. You believe the bible is Holy, because you believe the Bible is Holy. Circular BS
@7strawman7 Mmm, false jews, false doctrines, deceiving...you have this amazing little reality you live in where everyone just wants to deny Jesus for some personal insecurity-like reason, and these people just so happen to control the influence of everyone.
The fact is, you're pefectly ok with just saying, "The bible's just true because it is." Well, I'm sorry, but that logic applies to the quran, the Bhagavad Gandi, and the Vedas, or any other 'holy' book.
@7strawman7 You ARE aware the Jews don't think the Messanaic prophecy has been fulfilled yet, right?
After Jesus died, there were numerous cults that grew around the word of mouth teachings of Jesus, some believing he was just a philospher, some believing he was the EXACT opposite of what should be taught, which helped them know what SHOULD be taught, many didn't even believe he was holy. You are aware of this, right?
@7strawman7 Oh? Well we have a problem, because at the time of the jewish prophecies, the jews commanded a lot of power and territory, there wasn't anything stopping them from fulfilling their own prophecies.
I've seen Zeitgeist, and it's a retarded movie of conspiracy theories. The Jews did, however, have plenty of power, Moses led them in vast armies.
@7strawman7 Also, don't you think if the whole world knew about the prophecies, then there'd be a lot of people working to make sure they come true? Especially as vague as they were? How do you know any fulfillment of prophecy wasn't intended to be just that? Just people saying, "We predicted this a long time ago, let's make it happen now."?
@7strawman7 Again, PLEASE give me some evidence of JEsus' miracles. And I'm not saying Jesus WAS a myth, but it's quite possible. Contrary to your assertion, it's quite easy to come up with a fictional Jesus. Philosophers saying similar things were everywhere at the time, as were self proclaimed prophets...one just needs to add one to the other, and BAM, Jesus of Nazareth. And let's add a virgin birth in it(which ALSO isn't specific to Christianity).
@7strawman7 Matthew Mark Luke and John weren't written by eye witnesses, for all we know Jesus may well have BEEN a myth.
Name a single historical peice of evidence outside of the bible that is evidence for Jesus' miracles, or godliness.
You mention he made prophecies that are true today. Like what exactly? And would you accept something he supposedly said that was unfulfilled prophecy as evidence that he wasn't the real deal?
@7strawman7 Firstly, I CAN show rthe validity of my hard drive outside of my computer's veracity, by putting it in other comptuers, and seeing if it confirms, by seeing of it works for others, and applies to others in a consistent manner.
Secondy, yes, I'd like evidence that the bible is useful or true OUTSIDE of the bible. some confirming source that demonstrates how it can be applied in any useful manner. Some sort of evidence that Jesus performed any miracles whatsoever besides 'bible says
@7strawman7 Why do you think you just know better?
I understand the bible, and I don't buy it. Because there's no evidence for its validity. Matt understands the bibe PROBABLY better than YOU.
You have a very strange idea of what constitutes reality. You simply claim anyone who 'truly' understands the bible, unless they're completely unreasonable, will agree with you that god exists, and it's the christian god. That's rediculous. That's asinine, and a no-lose situation you've made yourself
@7strawman7 Has it never occurred to you that someone can understand the bible, and even after understanding it, go, "Wo, this is complete crap."? Because Matt Dillahunty up there in the AE, he was a christian for years, and knows a lot of passages purely from memory. He probably knows more than you about the bible himself. Most atheists in the united states are ex christians who read the bible and realized how full of shit it was. Get over it.
@7strawman7 The Christian Science Monitor website, a heavily christian website, even acknowledges that this is true.
I'm not a materialist. So you're just being superflously silly right now.
I know plenty about what's going on, you may not know this, but I work at a newspaper plant and one of our main papers is called the American Free Press, a whistelblower paper that talks NONSTOP about the illuminati, the jews, and the idea that atheists are secretyl trying to destroy the world.
As rediculous as that sounds, I'd prefer that to self enslavement to a god that hates anyone who does something so small as thinking lustfully about another, or, even just NOT believing in him.
Do you think if a Hindu or a Buddhist read the bible, they'd go, "Oh, well what the hell am I doing? This guy sacrificed himself!" and convert? And besides, studies show atheists know the bible better than christians do.
@BigLundi If I may play devil's advocate for a moment (pun intended):
One could make the argument that while the men who wrote the book were not perfect (for only God is perfect), they did so with the inspiration of God. The point is the message. While God seems to have anger and jealousy issues, these are the things man knows attributed to an unknown (and unknowable) entity who, as 7strawman7 wrote, "[..] gives no leverage for us to define him by our [..] standards".
@7strawman7 It's caled the holy book because christians and jews think it's holy. I garauntee you no Hindu, atheist, buddhist, and every other non bible follower do NOT refer to it as the 'holy' book.
Also, we have reached a point where the conversation CANNOT continue. You think the entire book is 10% true. I don't. That's just where we differ. I COULD point out all the contradictions, and you'll just use the usual apologist explanations, it just won't continue constructively.
@7strawman7 In essence, your argument boils down to, "You have to believe the bible first, and understand it. Then you'll realize God exists, and it's the christian god."
Nope. I can use that argument for everything, even a fresh new religion called Pastafarianism. It's called Reductio Ad absurdum, essentially, if an argument works for EVERYTHING, then it's not a valid argument.
@7strawman7 "Even if it was meant to be a mocking statement, it's true."
It wasn't a mocking statement, I was just paraphtrasing exactly what you said. The fact that you're willing to say God's good REGARDLES of anything he does, means your morals are seriously messed up. Sorry, but the Fall isn't even a proven story, so I can't start with the presumption that a story that might as well just be called a myth is correct when I make my analysis, that's illogical.
@7strawman7 Well if he exhibits human emotions like jealousy, I fail to understand why wee can't judge his other emotions as well.
All you're doing is saying, "God is Holy, even if he does things we see to be horrible, because he's just better than us."
Sorry, Special Pleading doesn't cut it. Not going to convince anyone.
If he decrees slavery, he condones it, he NEVER came out against it, and his last mention of it was condoning it. And he ORDERS murder to be done, and kills children.
@7strawman7 I listen to any evidence for a position.
However, if it is true that God is above any standards we come up with, then he should becompletely perfect...yet he says himself that he is jealous, he orders murder, he orders rape, he condones slavery...Do YOU do these things?
Seriously answer this question about yourself...do YOU condone slavery?
@7strawman7 Why should I not consider God 'like us'? According to you guys, we're made in his image, so he IS 'like us'. You're basically saying, "God knows best, and that's just the end of it." and I'm sorry...but in a logical discussion, or a philsophical one, that kind of unfalsifiability and dogmatic thinking just DOESN'T cut it.
@7strawman7 To wuote you, "Killing motivated by hatred, or jealousy is murder" So yes, you just admitted your God advocates murder, because he advocated murder motivated by his jealousy.
You then go on to say that God, for some strange reason, gets to tell people to do despicable things, because, fuck it, he's God, he gets to say WHATEVER he wants, even if it's entirely screwed up. Why? Cause you don't know why, but HE certainly knows better, cause he's wiser than you...why do you not see it?
@7strawman7 Ahhhh, the animal sacrifices were just METAPHORS, I get it now. So not all of the bible is true, some of it is just poetry, right? not supposed to follow the bible LITERALY, that would be silly, right?
Also, God said himself that he was a jealous God, and that that was the reason he was telling Moses to kill all the nations, because they worshipped eother gods. Ain't that right? So...yeah, God advocates murder, long as he's doing it. :).
Besides, Christ only did the final blood sacrifice, so we don't need to do that anymore. That's the ONLY thing that changed. All the old testament stuff and whatnot are still in play.
@7strawman7 Ahhh, right, so you admit that they were rituals. You say you don't believe in a god that requires rituals, I pointed out that he commands rituals in Leviticus as well as how they must be done(apparently 2 birds being sacrifieced cures leprosy?), and you say, "Well yeah, but that's different." Do you not see how you're back peddling here?
What exactly are God's standards? you said don't kill, yet God's broken that standard, you said don't steal, yet god ORDERS people to break that
@7strawman7 In fact, one of the prescribed rituals was that every time a woman birthed a child, in order to redeem themselves, they must sacrifice a chicken, which must then be eaten by a priest in 'the most holy place in a temple'.
@7strawman7 Actually, now you're showing that you're ignorant of the Old Testament. Allah follows the God of the Old Testament PERFECTLY. God DID have us redeemed by ceremony and sacrifice, AND by religion. And YOUR God actually DOES require one to be a Christian in order to be redeemed, so...you just contradicted yourself.
@7strawman7 You appear to be very ignorant of Islam. They believe in the same god of the bible. He worshipped Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, whichever you want to call him. Sorry, but he did.
@7strawman7 Besides, the God of the bible had a screwed up moral code anyhow, so really I wouldn't wanna be following his even if he DID exist. I mean killing babies, advocating slavery, the beating of one's slaves, and condemning any who didn't believe in him to an eternal torture in heaven while inviting anyone else who is in heaven to laugh at them in some sort of twisted form of vindication...I just can't see why anyone would consider such a god moral.
@7strawman7 Oh? What if I were to give instances where murder, stealing, and sex for pleasure are all perfectly ok? Or don't you think I can?
See, once you start saying that those who want to get rid of the biblical theocracy are just worshipping Luicifer, you make a laughable, unfalsifiable statement, "Oh, you're just worshipping Lucifer."
@7strawman7 And as soon as you justify holy wars, as long as it's people who are all for YOUR god, as soon as you justify wars done on the behalf of YOUR god, you're done. Sorry, but you just admitted that you're wrong.
@7strawman7 So I take it if anyone disagrees with any part of this 'moral standard' of yours, they're just insane, right? Couldn't be that they have rational reasons to disagree, right?
@7strawman7 Oh? And Moses' extermination of several nations at the orders of his god weren't instigated by...his belief in his god? >.> And Mohammed's holy war against every non muslim wasn't a result of his belief in...his god? And the Crusades weren't a direct result of the church enforcing a war in accordance to belief in...their gods? Lol. You seem to be ignorant of history.
@7strawman7 No, it's exactly not. I don't hate god, nor am I rebelling against him, as I don't believe in him. Is this that hard of a concept for you? The fact of the matter is that there is no rational reason to believe in God, no evidential support for whatever you consider God to exist. Also, kudos on being a Boondocks watcher.
The fact is, atheists don't require evidence for their position, because the evidence is supposed to support the AFFIRMATIVE, not the NEGATIVE.
@7strawman7 But...as an atheist, I fall under the realm of atheism, do I not?
Atheism doesn't advocate anything, atheISTS advocate things, individually. Atheism is merely the nonbelief in god. There is nothing that logically follows from that, as one can, quite literally, believe ANYTHING else past that. Including an affterlife, reincarnation, spirits, karma, what have you.
@7strawman7 The conscience...isn't a warning system. In fact, atheists(don't know why you being up Darwin, he has nothing to do with atheism) hold themselves accountable more than you theists do. To you, the one that judfges your actions isn't yourself, but some other higher being that just seems to 'know better. To us, we are the cause of our actions, so only we can be held accountable for them. And those that can hold us accountable are those that we affect with our actions.
@7strawman7 I don't hate God, so that's irrelevant, and I don't tell myself that chaos is the only true creator. And you're also wrong in your nonsequitor, because that's what it is, a nonsequitor.
The bloody history of the human race isn't thanks to God haters anyhow...it's thanks to god worshippers, who wanted, above all costs, other people to worship their gods, and follow their orders.
@7strawman7 "Survival of the fittest" - IF by 'fittest' you mean 'those most susceptible to change' then yes. If you mean 'strongest' then no. "Self-fulfillment" not at the expense of others, "Freedom from accountability", just the opposite actually. "Not being exposed for what they try to hide in the dark" ...what? No. "Self" ...Again, depends what you mean. "Money" Repeating yourself now? It's no again. "Freedom from natural moral standard" What natural moral standard? "Anarchy" No "Chaos" No.
@7strawman7 I'm an atheist, let's take a look at your list and see what I advocate. "Love of money" nope. "Materialistm" Nope. "Selfishness" Nope. "Self righteousness" Nope. "Love of self" Nope. "Chaos as the only true god." Nope. "Opinion being equal to objective reality" HELL no. "Pure lust as opposed to pure reason." No. "Self-pleasure" Not at the expense of others no. "Self convienience" Same as the last. "Self-enslavement" Nope. "Self-gain" same as pleasure
@7strawman7 LOL...Your username fits, you should keep it. Because I get the feeling you've kicked the shit out many a strawman in your day.
Wow, I don't even know where to start. This list of ideals and views you claim atheists advocate is so grossly generic its not even funny! Do you realize 99.9% of the items on this list can just as easily apply to any Christian or theist. This steaming pile of slop is an egregious and embarrassing example of a complete lack of critical thought!!
I PRAYED FOR JESUS TO HELP ME FIND MY KEYS AND THERE THEY WERE!!!...right where I left them... I think secularism has become far too associated with atheism, What all the religious zealots seem to think now is that secularism is exclusive to atheist views when it is in fact exactly opposite. Like Matt was saying, it's not that we want atheism to have preference, it's that we don't want anyone to have preference. That is the definition of a fair society.
lofl dude i wished you lived in my country-talking against the church on tv means that youre committing suicide-trying to form an anti-church organisation, (let alone political agenda) means ull most likely end up having to leave the country. i think your 'beliefs' are quite safe in the usa, quit whining
@ivaflimkien Oh wow, things are bad in your country?
Hold on, gonna go call up my senator to let him know the US should make no social progress in any way until your country catches up. After all, it's SOOO good here now, be better not improve it in any way because that might be considered "complaining."
Stupid statement is stupid, and you get called out on it.
Sorry your country isn't better, that's not a reason NOT to improve ours.
@ialsoagree first of all, i dont see your atheist country which dictates religious opinion as free at all, on the contrary, your ambassador to my country was fired for being 'too catholic'-so no youre not socially superior, just superior in anticlericalism. and yes whining how 'religious' your country is (as if theres anything wrong with that)when it cant be any more irreligious is being a whiner, period.
@ivaflimkien Do you mean, our atheist country with 10% atheists and 70% theists? Once again, stupid statement is stupid.
Secondly, your statement about an ambassador being fired for his religious beliefs is wrong. It's against the law to fire someone over their religion in the US. He may, however, have been fired for other reasons, or removed as ambassador to your country due to his religion.
It can't be any more irreligious? Atheists are among most persecuted minorities in the US.
Way to talk about shit you've never personally experienced and know absolutely nothing about.
The US isn't even among the top 25 countries for accepting evolution, primarily because of religious belief. And we're an anti-clerical, irreligious country?
@ialsoagree if 80% are either atheists or theists, what are the other 20%? About ambassador Kmiec- Obama wrote him a long letter admonishing him for his Catholic beliefs and he was going to be withdrawn from Malta. Kmiec resigned in the face of religious persecution. Yeah the US is irreligious-every law which goes against catholic teaching is law, the church is ignored (at least the US doesnt lick the assholes of the Muslims like they do in Europe for all their 'Secularism')
@ivaflimkien The other 20% are deist, pantheist, spiritual, etc.
About Kmiec, he RESIGNED, he was not fired. I'm sorry reality doesn't fit with your preconceptions, but making shit it doesn't make it so. He was criticized by the Inspector General of the State Department (not Obama) for not being more focused on his duties and in response chose to resign.
The US has laws against inclusion of ANY religious education in public schools, not just catholic. That's because the US has separation...
Religion gains a lot of benefits from that separation, such as the inability for the government to tax religious organizations. So, there are also laws that prevent the taxing of catholic churches. What's your point?
The US has never elected an atheist President, and it's basically unheard of for a candidate for any Federal office to not claim some kind of religious belief. Is that because we're so "irreligious" and ignore the church?
Further still, even if everything you said were true, which it is not, you still haven't provided one good reason why atheists should have their free speech stifled.
Because your country isn't as open as ours?
Honestly, I feel sorry that that is the case for you, but when you come on YouTube to tell Americans to stop exercising their rights just because you don't have them you sound like a complete moron.
Sanity is what they advocate. I like Atheists, Wiccans Agnostics. They happen to be saner than fundie types. Sh*t there comes a time to live and let live. I myself experienced great persecution from Fundies growing up. Stupid ignorant gnats. But I overcame those twats. Of course when I looked around the world I realized there are normal people who aren't fundie sh*t for brain types. So f*ck them. No Cretins better come to my door.
There is a huge group of us who are anarchocaptilist who are athiest who opose governemnt schools and advocate home schooling. Many of us are Free Staters.
My atheistic beliefs are simple, I don't believe in any god/gods. Anything like evolution is not an atheistic belief but scientific belief/fact. anyway I just made a video posing a question to christians on the subject of the bible, I am not bashing your beliefs in fact i am asking a question on one of your beliefs. check it out and give me an answer if you can. its less than a minute long.
"So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."
If you sit on the fence in terms of God you are against him, to be secular is to be against God. Everything is for God, though if you claim to not be, so shall you no longer be for God but who else is there besides God? No one you want to be with.
@imapisces23 I dont think thats quite true god;s judgement is based on more than that. I wouldnt say that is completely bogus but everyone is on the fence in some way. Remember the pharisees who said thank you god i am not like that sinner. Was he on the fence no, but he sinned constantly. So no one is perfect overnight.
@imapisces23 I dont think thats quite true god;s judgement is based on more than that. I wouldnt say that is completely bogus but everyone is on the fence in some way. Remember the pharisees who said thank you god i am not like that sinner. Was he on the fence no, but he sinned constantly. So no one is perfect overnight. because even good christians are on the fence in some way. But I do understand about being focused and commited to god and having faith.
Ok, You had me at Hello...I LOVE THAT FRICKIN SONG!! Seriously though I'm a Christian and I totally agree with you. Beliefs are a "personal choice" and should be taught at home. The real test of faith for a kid is their Parent's or Caretaker not being hypocrites and present moral foundations that anyone can respect and look up to. Seperation of Church & State in EVERY way, that way there is no confusion and all beliefs are either respected or ignored.
@Petey0707 Thank you my friend; I wish they did too. Hang in there, there are more Christians that think this way as well whether they want to admit it or not.
I am really starting to doubt if its even possible to have religion and a rational world.The case might be you cannot have one thrive with the other looming over.Rationality and religion dont seem to mix in fact it seems they are the exact opposite.
Satan HATES God & wants as many people as he can get to turn against God so he can destroy their souls .Satan knows he's going to lose his war with God & he's really worried about that - don't fall victim to Satan, rebuke Satan & all evil outloud~!!! Seek Christ, through Him seek your redemption before God - pray and repent; confess your sins to God through Christ and beg God's forgiveness for your sins to obtain your salvation~! Fight Satan with Christ~! Prepare your soul as the end is upon us!
@GreyLabyrinthine Spelling is for the weak willed? Mmmm... Some people need to learn proper grammar also: "that's what's (what it's/what it is) *all* about." Ha.
This guy is also retarded, so how could he even know what he believes?
@Guyll21 English isn't my first language. You, on the other hand, are ahmehricunn. There are expectations. (We can have this conversation in my mother tongue, though, if you like?)
"This guy is also retarded, so how could he even know what he believes?"
What's that 'also' doing in that sentence? And again: This guy knows what he _doesn't_ believe.
This is by far one of the weakest arguments I have read,its very simple,I want you to think about any god you don't believe in,now think about why you don't believe in that god,and congratulations,you are now atheist towards that god which makes you nothing more than a hypocrite.
@Azoic101 I believe in THE God, not all the trappings that mankind has apllied to a supreme being. I can't be a hypocrite when I don't believe in all the trash that athiests have obviously been exposed to. It's easy not to believe in something when it is misrepresented.
@Guyll21 What exactly is "THE God"? Don't kid yourself into thinking that your idea of God is unique, when you're just piggy-backing off an idea that was around thousands of years before you were born.
@reasonformirrors Did i claim my knowledge as unique? No. Oh yeah, and you are not "piggy-backing" off someone else? I guess there were no athiests before you came along huh? Strange.... Don't assume that YOUR idea is superior when you also have no prove whatsoever. Think before you type.
@Guyll21 Answer the question: what is "THE God"? "All the trappings that mankind has applied to a supreme being" implies that you got right what a lot of people got wrong. What is it? I'll be more specific: even using the term "God", you're piggy-backing off the thousands of mythical god characters created throughout history, and once you tell me what you believe, I'll point out which myths you're specifically copying. Disbelief is a normal cognitive function. There's no "piggy-backing."
@reasonformirrors God is no myth. Trying to tie God to "similar mythical characters" is totally useless to someone who believes in God. I'm not "copying" anything. I have my own personal opinions when it comes my believe of God. Trust me, my opinions are at the wrong end of what a lot of believers claim. Who cares if you don't believe? It's no sweat off my back. Hey you said the word "piggy-backing", not me.
@Guyll21 They say that because you CAN'T prove it. Yet here we atheists are, having proof AGAINST your Bible, all the facts point to it being utter bullshit, and we have facts that all point to your god, or any god not existing. Yet there YOU are telling us to open our eyes when you don't have a -single- iota...none ONE shred of proof to back up YOUR claims. But we do. You know how pathetic that is?
@TheFreebornFanatic Where's the proof genius? Where's the facts that God doesn't exist? What's pathetic is believing your claims are anymore valid than a believers just because you disagree. You are free to disagree us, as I with you, but you can't just state that you have concrete proof, either way, regarding this subject. There are IDEAS that point to both non-existence and existence, are some more valid than others? Yes, but it is a personal decision to which you believe.
@Guyll21 "Where's the facts that God doesn't exist?"
You are talking what I said OUT of context. I never stated that there is one thing that rules God completely out. What I -said- was that we have facts that go AGAINST your God. Against your Bible. Facts that completely go against what the Bible and God says. Evilution for one, or the FACT that the so called flood never happened. The fact, that the Big Bang really isn't so much of a theory any more. I could list more.
@Guyll21 "What's pathetic is believing your claims are anymore valid than a believers just because you disagree."
What's pathetic is believing your claims are more valid over SCIENCE, and that just because you "believe" makes God real. I'm not making claims, I'm stating facts. WE hold the cards, not you.
"you can't just state that you have concrete proof"
Yes, I can. We know that there was no flood, and that the universe is continuing to grow because of something that happened. (The Big Bang)
@Guyll21 We know for a FACT that evolution is true, it's been -recorded.- We know for a FACT that your God is a tyrannical fucktard. Read your book and you'd find out.
"There are IDEAS"
There is a difference between ideas and facts, my friend. Yeah. Some of your IDEAS may point to the existence of God, but they are just -ideas-. Not facts.
Where's teh proof, genius? Where's the facts that say God does exist? Give them to me. You'd be the first.
@TheFreebornFanatic Yes, and now we know you are completely misinformed on a myriad of subjects. First off, evolution is a theory and so is the big bang, i.e. unsubstantiated. You know a lot "FACTS" that other people, even atheists and scientists, recognize as theories. And there is PROOF that the Earth was once flooded. Your "FACTS" are not superior to my believes because they are not facts. Show me evidence God doesn't exist then I'll give proofing otherwise to you a shot.
@Guyll21 "First off, evolution is a theory" No, it is not. It's been recorded and PROVEN to have happened. Sorry. "so is the big bang" More or less. But it's getting into the realm of facts, and pretty soon it will be one. "And there is PROOF that the Earth was once flooded." No there isn't. "Your "FACTS" are not superior to my believes because they are not facts" Yes they are because they are facts. "Show me evidence God doesn't exist" No one can show that he doesn't or does exist.
@TheFreebornFanatic Oh, oh, okay...because you said evolution is a fact I guess it is then. pffft.. The big bang theory is "more or less" (in other words, A THEORY) fact? By saying that you are agreeing it's a theory. There is lots of evidence of the Earth being flood moron. Your facts have just been debunked. You just contradicted yourself. Earlier you said there is proof that points to God's nonexistence but now you say nobody can prove it either way....? WTF?
In other words, it's going to put all you people to shame when we know 100% for sure that's what happened. You must not realize just how much evidence we have to support the Big Bang. It's gone past the theory stage. It is now the top leading explanation we have to how we came into existence.
"There is lots of evidence of the Earth being flood moron."
@TheFreebornFanatic Mmmm, funny, I've never heard of "The Fact of Evolution". "In other words"... Now you sound like someone trying to prove God exists, strange.
There is evidence of the Earth being flooded. How have the bones of sea creatures been found a 1,000 miles inland? How is sea salt present in inland deserts? Put the FACTS together for yourself and see the truth. MORON.
@Guyll21 "I've never heard of "The Fact of Evolution""
You must not watch Nova, or educational channels, read the newspaper, or things online. You are showing quite the ignorant stupidity like all other people who don't believe in evolution do.
"Now you sound like someone trying to prove God exists"
YOU are the one doing that, not me.
"There is evidence of the Earth being flooded."
What part of, "There is no evidence" doesn't your pathetic little brain understand?
@TheFreebornFanatic So you're saying experts on the subject evolution don't call it a theory? Mmm. You didn't even get my meaning did you? Ignorant. There is evidence as stated.
@Guyll21 "Put the FACTS together for yourself and see the truth."
I'm not the one who believes in an invisible flying dead zombie Jew to which there is NO evidence for AT ALL, and that some guy built a little boat, putting every single living creature on it to survive a world wide flood that he knew was going to occur. (And no, there isn't any evidence for Noah's Ark, either.)
I'm not the one who believes in the utterly fucking RIDICULOUS that are fairy tales.
@TheFreebornFanatic Sorry you can't comprehend beyond your own physical being. I would hate to lead such a miserable unenlightened life such as you must be.
@TheFreebornFanatic Are you serious? No one's lived long enough to even see evolution take place. According to scientists there would have to be documented records going back some 15,000 years to trace an evolutionary pattern. I can't believe you're preaching evolution but know absolutely nothing about it.
@Guyll21 You haven't stumped me. I'd just rather not talk to someone who spews absolute fucking nonsense out of his mouth every time he opens it. My "true colors" as you called them. Lol. I like how you Christians make up your own little facts and things to suit your needs. It amuses me.
@Guyll21 why would he have to prove god doesn't exist. If you make the claim he does exist, then you should have to prove it. There is a monster under my bed, prove me wrong. See how stupid that sounds?
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kadirddemir 2 months ago
@kadirddemir What failed country you take English class in?
sickofgod69 3 weeks ago
@McConaughyHancock Please refute the claims of all those greeks who claimed to have been in conflict with the gods or refute the claims of the greeks who said they were having Zues child were they liars? When a christian says they see god in people they dont actually see god in others they simply think being nice is a godlike quality.
Oldcartoons571 3 months ago
@McConaughyHancock Please tell me youre making some silly joke! The burden of proof falls upon the person making the claim! Please refute the claim that there is an invisible unicorn standing next to everyone.
Oldcartoons571 3 months ago
The burden of proof falls on both parties. Evidence is in each person! Every Christian has their own experience in coming to Christ, do you mean to say that millions world wide are all liars and fakers? I respect your being truthful and open against the existence of GOD, but to openly say that "there is no loving GOD" does that not impose YOUR belief on others? Faith does not require any proof PERIOD.
McConaughyHancock 3 months ago
do I have to shave my head and grow a goatee beard to be an atheist? I mean, I am an atheist, but I don't know if I can join the club without these. Can someone confirm?
paulbevan1987 3 months ago
@paulbevan1987 I surely hope this is not a requirement, since I am a 33 year old mom and the goatee could be too much for the PTA meetings.
Moreba 3 months ago
Mogley52 is mentally challenged. We should treat this person as one with a disability - namely mental religiotardation.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
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MrLittletomdj 4 months ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 4 months ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 4 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 4 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 4 months ago
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
Mogley52 4 months ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
Mogley52 4 months ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 4 months ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 4 months ago
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@helvet666 Did you really think someone with the name "strawman" would be a proficient debater?
HubbellKent 4 months ago
I live in Texas. And knowing Texas as very religious when I saw at my school a bible course and that it said not a religious course. Just looking at it made me laughed so hard.
SNAKESOAP117 4 months ago
That theirs no hope!!!! Prove to me there's no God?
flatop59 5 months ago
@7strawman7 haha you suck at arguing your point
helvet666 5 months ago
@helvet666 Did you really think someone with the name "strawman" would be a proficient debater?
HubbellKent 4 months ago
Athiesm is a non-prophet organization
LOGIC42369 5 months ago 12
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ImmortalUniverse 5 months ago
@LOGIC42369 abortion is collecting money
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21scuderia 3 months ago
@21scuderia better than scamming money at the church, defunding planned parenthood, wars and fake scientist experiments
LOGIC42369 3 months ago
@LOGIC42369 scamming money? feeding the poor and helping the sick is a scam?
nice person you are
21scuderia 3 months ago
@21scuderia What Church are you talking about? Because not all Churches feed the poor and help the sick. The most fundamentalist church I went to, knowing that I didn't have money for meals during their all day services, where there were 3 services in 1 day, would not feed me unless I paid them money and resented me because I was a teenager and didn't tithe. Even though, I WORKED in the nursery, helped clean all day sometimes. Not every church helps the sick and feeds the poor.
breemystic 2 months ago
@21scuderia and scuderias a bamf car
LOGIC42369 3 months ago
@LOGIC42369 old fart using ancient words how gay are you to read comic books?
car costs more than your house bum
21scuderia 3 months ago
hear hear
indycolts4 6 months ago
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youneekk 6 months ago
The little dance at the beginning ... It's got to go man !!
659851 7 months ago
@659851 lol, this vid is from 2008. Matt sports grey hairs in his beard and pretty much just sorta nods and raises his eyebrows at the camera when the intro music is playing now. But yeah, if YouTube was a way of giving advice to people three years in the past. s'a good comment. #LOL
UnitedKingdomify 7 months ago
"no it doesn't apply to any other "holy book" because no other book is Holy. "
Why am I not surprised 7strawman7 closed their account?
moopism 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Truly? The Quran speaks of itself as being the bible uncorrupted, they worship the same god YOU do you know. The Bhagavad Gandi has many explanations equally plausible about the universe as a whole as the bible. The Vedas has many fables about asian Indian heroes and warriors that are just as plausible as Jesus' miracles.
The fact is, you don't consider them holy, and that makes them not holy to you. You believe the bible is Holy, because you believe the Bible is Holy. Circular BS
BigLundi 7 months ago 8
@7strawman7 Mmm, false jews, false doctrines, deceiving...you have this amazing little reality you live in where everyone just wants to deny Jesus for some personal insecurity-like reason, and these people just so happen to control the influence of everyone.
The fact is, you're pefectly ok with just saying, "The bible's just true because it is." Well, I'm sorry, but that logic applies to the quran, the Bhagavad Gandi, and the Vedas, or any other 'holy' book.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 You ARE aware the Jews don't think the Messanaic prophecy has been fulfilled yet, right?
After Jesus died, there were numerous cults that grew around the word of mouth teachings of Jesus, some believing he was just a philospher, some believing he was the EXACT opposite of what should be taught, which helped them know what SHOULD be taught, many didn't even believe he was holy. You are aware of this, right?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Oh? Well we have a problem, because at the time of the jewish prophecies, the jews commanded a lot of power and territory, there wasn't anything stopping them from fulfilling their own prophecies.
I've seen Zeitgeist, and it's a retarded movie of conspiracy theories. The Jews did, however, have plenty of power, Moses led them in vast armies.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Also, don't you think if the whole world knew about the prophecies, then there'd be a lot of people working to make sure they come true? Especially as vague as they were? How do you know any fulfillment of prophecy wasn't intended to be just that? Just people saying, "We predicted this a long time ago, let's make it happen now."?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Again, PLEASE give me some evidence of JEsus' miracles. And I'm not saying Jesus WAS a myth, but it's quite possible. Contrary to your assertion, it's quite easy to come up with a fictional Jesus. Philosophers saying similar things were everywhere at the time, as were self proclaimed prophets...one just needs to add one to the other, and BAM, Jesus of Nazareth. And let's add a virgin birth in it(which ALSO isn't specific to Christianity).
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 So Jesus is just a metaphor? Is that what you're saying?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Matthew Mark Luke and John weren't written by eye witnesses, for all we know Jesus may well have BEEN a myth.
Name a single historical peice of evidence outside of the bible that is evidence for Jesus' miracles, or godliness.
You mention he made prophecies that are true today. Like what exactly? And would you accept something he supposedly said that was unfulfilled prophecy as evidence that he wasn't the real deal?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Firstly, I CAN show rthe validity of my hard drive outside of my computer's veracity, by putting it in other comptuers, and seeing if it confirms, by seeing of it works for others, and applies to others in a consistent manner.
Secondy, yes, I'd like evidence that the bible is useful or true OUTSIDE of the bible. some confirming source that demonstrates how it can be applied in any useful manner. Some sort of evidence that Jesus performed any miracles whatsoever besides 'bible says
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Can you give me any evidence OUTSIDE of the bible for the validity of christianity?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Why do you think you just know better?
I understand the bible, and I don't buy it. Because there's no evidence for its validity. Matt understands the bibe PROBABLY better than YOU.
You have a very strange idea of what constitutes reality. You simply claim anyone who 'truly' understands the bible, unless they're completely unreasonable, will agree with you that god exists, and it's the christian god. That's rediculous. That's asinine, and a no-lose situation you've made yourself
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Has it never occurred to you that someone can understand the bible, and even after understanding it, go, "Wo, this is complete crap."? Because Matt Dillahunty up there in the AE, he was a christian for years, and knows a lot of passages purely from memory. He probably knows more than you about the bible himself. Most atheists in the united states are ex christians who read the bible and realized how full of shit it was. Get over it.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 The Christian Science Monitor website, a heavily christian website, even acknowledges that this is true.
I'm not a materialist. So you're just being superflously silly right now.
I know plenty about what's going on, you may not know this, but I work at a newspaper plant and one of our main papers is called the American Free Press, a whistelblower paper that talks NONSTOP about the illuminati, the jews, and the idea that atheists are secretyl trying to destroy the world.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Self ensla vement of the mind?
As rediculous as that sounds, I'd prefer that to self enslavement to a god that hates anyone who does something so small as thinking lustfully about another, or, even just NOT believing in him.
Do you think if a Hindu or a Buddhist read the bible, they'd go, "Oh, well what the hell am I doing? This guy sacrificed himself!" and convert? And besides, studies show atheists know the bible better than christians do.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@BigLundi If I may play devil's advocate for a moment (pun intended):
One could make the argument that while the men who wrote the book were not perfect (for only God is perfect), they did so with the inspiration of God. The point is the message. While God seems to have anger and jealousy issues, these are the things man knows attributed to an unknown (and unknowable) entity who, as 7strawman7 wrote, "[..] gives no leverage for us to define him by our [..] standards".
GraphitePen 7 months ago
@7strawman7 It's caled the holy book because christians and jews think it's holy. I garauntee you no Hindu, atheist, buddhist, and every other non bible follower do NOT refer to it as the 'holy' book.
Also, we have reached a point where the conversation CANNOT continue. You think the entire book is 10% true. I don't. That's just where we differ. I COULD point out all the contradictions, and you'll just use the usual apologist explanations, it just won't continue constructively.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 In essence, your argument boils down to, "You have to believe the bible first, and understand it. Then you'll realize God exists, and it's the christian god."
Nope. I can use that argument for everything, even a fresh new religion called Pastafarianism. It's called Reductio Ad absurdum, essentially, if an argument works for EVERYTHING, then it's not a valid argument.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 "Even if it was meant to be a mocking statement, it's true."
It wasn't a mocking statement, I was just paraphtrasing exactly what you said. The fact that you're willing to say God's good REGARDLES of anything he does, means your morals are seriously messed up. Sorry, but the Fall isn't even a proven story, so I can't start with the presumption that a story that might as well just be called a myth is correct when I make my analysis, that's illogical.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Well if he exhibits human emotions like jealousy, I fail to understand why wee can't judge his other emotions as well.
All you're doing is saying, "God is Holy, even if he does things we see to be horrible, because he's just better than us."
Sorry, Special Pleading doesn't cut it. Not going to convince anyone.
If he decrees slavery, he condones it, he NEVER came out against it, and his last mention of it was condoning it. And he ORDERS murder to be done, and kills children.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 I listen to any evidence for a position.
However, if it is true that God is above any standards we come up with, then he should becompletely perfect...yet he says himself that he is jealous, he orders murder, he orders rape, he condones slavery...Do YOU do these things?
Seriously answer this question about yourself...do YOU condone slavery?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Why should I not consider God 'like us'? According to you guys, we're made in his image, so he IS 'like us'. You're basically saying, "God knows best, and that's just the end of it." and I'm sorry...but in a logical discussion, or a philsophical one, that kind of unfalsifiability and dogmatic thinking just DOESN'T cut it.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 To wuote you, "Killing motivated by hatred, or jealousy is murder" So yes, you just admitted your God advocates murder, because he advocated murder motivated by his jealousy.
You then go on to say that God, for some strange reason, gets to tell people to do despicable things, because, fuck it, he's God, he gets to say WHATEVER he wants, even if it's entirely screwed up. Why? Cause you don't know why, but HE certainly knows better, cause he's wiser than you...why do you not see it?
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Ahhhh, the animal sacrifices were just METAPHORS, I get it now. So not all of the bible is true, some of it is just poetry, right? not supposed to follow the bible LITERALY, that would be silly, right?
Also, God said himself that he was a jealous God, and that that was the reason he was telling Moses to kill all the nations, because they worshipped eother gods. Ain't that right? So...yeah, God advocates murder, long as he's doing it. :).
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 ...Murder isn't killing?
Besides, Christ only did the final blood sacrifice, so we don't need to do that anymore. That's the ONLY thing that changed. All the old testament stuff and whatnot are still in play.
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Ahhh, right, so you admit that they were rituals. You say you don't believe in a god that requires rituals, I pointed out that he commands rituals in Leviticus as well as how they must be done(apparently 2 birds being sacrifieced cures leprosy?), and you say, "Well yeah, but that's different." Do you not see how you're back peddling here?
What exactly are God's standards? you said don't kill, yet God's broken that standard, you said don't steal, yet god ORDERS people to break that
BigLundi 7 months ago
@7strawman7 Well, the Old Testament God of the Bible refers to the necessity of rituals. In fact, that's most of Leviticus.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Are you a follower of the God of the bible?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 In fact, one of the prescribed rituals was that every time a woman birthed a child, in order to redeem themselves, they must sacrifice a chicken, which must then be eaten by a priest in 'the most holy place in a temple'.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Actually, now you're showing that you're ignorant of the Old Testament. Allah follows the God of the Old Testament PERFECTLY. God DID have us redeemed by ceremony and sacrifice, AND by religion. And YOUR God actually DOES require one to be a Christian in order to be redeemed, so...you just contradicted yourself.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Oh really? So is your god omnipotent? And omniscient?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 You appear to be very ignorant of Islam. They believe in the same god of the bible. He worshipped Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, whichever you want to call him. Sorry, but he did.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 What IS biblical truth?
And what IS Lucifer, if you know what Lucifer is?
Because I do, I'm just curious if you do. Because...he's not the devil. :)
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Besides, the God of the bible had a screwed up moral code anyhow, so really I wouldn't wanna be following his even if he DID exist. I mean killing babies, advocating slavery, the beating of one's slaves, and condemning any who didn't believe in him to an eternal torture in heaven while inviting anyone else who is in heaven to laugh at them in some sort of twisted form of vindication...I just can't see why anyone would consider such a god moral.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Oh? What if I were to give instances where murder, stealing, and sex for pleasure are all perfectly ok? Or don't you think I can?
See, once you start saying that those who want to get rid of the biblical theocracy are just worshipping Luicifer, you make a laughable, unfalsifiable statement, "Oh, you're just worshipping Lucifer."
Do you even KNOW who Lucifer IS?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Oh yeah, and Mohammed worshipped the same god of the bible. :)
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 And as soon as you justify holy wars, as long as it's people who are all for YOUR god, as soon as you justify wars done on the behalf of YOUR god, you're done. Sorry, but you just admitted that you're wrong.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 So I take it if anyone disagrees with any part of this 'moral standard' of yours, they're just insane, right? Couldn't be that they have rational reasons to disagree, right?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 Oh? And Moses' extermination of several nations at the orders of his god weren't instigated by...his belief in his god? >.> And Mohammed's holy war against every non muslim wasn't a result of his belief in...his god? And the Crusades weren't a direct result of the church enforcing a war in accordance to belief in...their gods? Lol. You seem to be ignorant of history.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 No, it's exactly not. I don't hate god, nor am I rebelling against him, as I don't believe in him. Is this that hard of a concept for you? The fact of the matter is that there is no rational reason to believe in God, no evidential support for whatever you consider God to exist. Also, kudos on being a Boondocks watcher.
The fact is, atheists don't require evidence for their position, because the evidence is supposed to support the AFFIRMATIVE, not the NEGATIVE.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 But...as an atheist, I fall under the realm of atheism, do I not?
Atheism doesn't advocate anything, atheISTS advocate things, individually. Atheism is merely the nonbelief in god. There is nothing that logically follows from that, as one can, quite literally, believe ANYTHING else past that. Including an affterlife, reincarnation, spirits, karma, what have you.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 In short, your idea that atheists want to take away accountability of our actions is exactly the opposite of what is true. So lol.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 The conscience...isn't a warning system. In fact, atheists(don't know why you being up Darwin, he has nothing to do with atheism) hold themselves accountable more than you theists do. To you, the one that judfges your actions isn't yourself, but some other higher being that just seems to 'know better. To us, we are the cause of our actions, so only we can be held accountable for them. And those that can hold us accountable are those that we affect with our actions.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 I don't hate God, so that's irrelevant, and I don't tell myself that chaos is the only true creator. And you're also wrong in your nonsequitor, because that's what it is, a nonsequitor.
The bloody history of the human race isn't thanks to God haters anyhow...it's thanks to god worshippers, who wanted, above all costs, other people to worship their gods, and follow their orders.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 So...to cnclude, your list is almost completely incorrect. : /
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 "Survival of the fittest" - IF by 'fittest' you mean 'those most susceptible to change' then yes. If you mean 'strongest' then no. "Self-fulfillment" not at the expense of others, "Freedom from accountability", just the opposite actually. "Not being exposed for what they try to hide in the dark" ...what? No. "Self" ...Again, depends what you mean. "Money" Repeating yourself now? It's no again. "Freedom from natural moral standard" What natural moral standard? "Anarchy" No "Chaos" No.
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 I'm an atheist, let's take a look at your list and see what I advocate. "Love of money" nope. "Materialistm" Nope. "Selfishness" Nope. "Self righteousness" Nope. "Love of self" Nope. "Chaos as the only true god." Nope. "Opinion being equal to objective reality" HELL no. "Pure lust as opposed to pure reason." No. "Self-pleasure" Not at the expense of others no. "Self convienience" Same as the last. "Self-enslavement" Nope. "Self-gain" same as pleasure
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 The brighter the light of truth huh? And what is the 'truth' to you?
BigLundi 8 months ago
@7strawman7 LOL...Your username fits, you should keep it. Because I get the feeling you've kicked the shit out many a strawman in your day.
Wow, I don't even know where to start. This list of ideals and views you claim atheists advocate is so grossly generic its not even funny! Do you realize 99.9% of the items on this list can just as easily apply to any Christian or theist. This steaming pile of slop is an egregious and embarrassing example of a complete lack of critical thought!!
nosajj12345 8 months ago
I love the blank paper analogy
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DreamsofMajesty 9 months ago
"I don't want to win in a world where there is no god that loves me"
"Though! you do"
CamillaCalamity 9 months ago
I PRAYED FOR JESUS TO HELP ME FIND MY KEYS AND THERE THEY WERE!!!...right where I left them... I think secularism has become far too associated with atheism, What all the religious zealots seem to think now is that secularism is exclusive to atheist views when it is in fact exactly opposite. Like Matt was saying, it's not that we want atheism to have preference, it's that we don't want anyone to have preference. That is the definition of a fair society.
Deanbass77 9 months ago
lofl dude i wished you lived in my country-talking against the church on tv means that youre committing suicide-trying to form an anti-church organisation, (let alone political agenda) means ull most likely end up having to leave the country. i think your 'beliefs' are quite safe in the usa, quit whining
ivaflimkien 10 months ago
@ivaflimkien Oh wow, things are bad in your country?
Hold on, gonna go call up my senator to let him know the US should make no social progress in any way until your country catches up. After all, it's SOOO good here now, be better not improve it in any way because that might be considered "complaining."
Stupid statement is stupid, and you get called out on it.
Sorry your country isn't better, that's not a reason NOT to improve ours.
ialsoagree 8 months ago
@ialsoagree first of all, i dont see your atheist country which dictates religious opinion as free at all, on the contrary, your ambassador to my country was fired for being 'too catholic'-so no youre not socially superior, just superior in anticlericalism. and yes whining how 'religious' your country is (as if theres anything wrong with that)when it cant be any more irreligious is being a whiner, period.
ivaflimkien 8 months ago
@ivaflimkien Do you mean, our atheist country with 10% atheists and 70% theists? Once again, stupid statement is stupid.
Secondly, your statement about an ambassador being fired for his religious beliefs is wrong. It's against the law to fire someone over their religion in the US. He may, however, have been fired for other reasons, or removed as ambassador to your country due to his religion.
It can't be any more irreligious? Atheists are among most persecuted minorities in the US.
ialsoagree 8 months ago
Way to talk about shit you've never personally experienced and know absolutely nothing about.
The US isn't even among the top 25 countries for accepting evolution, primarily because of religious belief. And we're an anti-clerical, irreligious country?
Your ignorance is so blatant it is astounding.
ialsoagree 8 months ago
@ialsoagree if 80% are either atheists or theists, what are the other 20%? About ambassador Kmiec- Obama wrote him a long letter admonishing him for his Catholic beliefs and he was going to be withdrawn from Malta. Kmiec resigned in the face of religious persecution. Yeah the US is irreligious-every law which goes against catholic teaching is law, the church is ignored (at least the US doesnt lick the assholes of the Muslims like they do in Europe for all their 'Secularism')
ivaflimkien 8 months ago
@ivaflimkien The other 20% are deist, pantheist, spiritual, etc.
About Kmiec, he RESIGNED, he was not fired. I'm sorry reality doesn't fit with your preconceptions, but making shit it doesn't make it so. He was criticized by the Inspector General of the State Department (not Obama) for not being more focused on his duties and in response chose to resign.
The US has laws against inclusion of ANY religious education in public schools, not just catholic. That's because the US has separation...
ialsoagree 8 months ago
...of church and state.
Religion gains a lot of benefits from that separation, such as the inability for the government to tax religious organizations. So, there are also laws that prevent the taxing of catholic churches. What's your point?
The US has never elected an atheist President, and it's basically unheard of for a candidate for any Federal office to not claim some kind of religious belief. Is that because we're so "irreligious" and ignore the church?
You're making yourself look stupid
ialsoagree 8 months ago
Further still, even if everything you said were true, which it is not, you still haven't provided one good reason why atheists should have their free speech stifled.
Because your country isn't as open as ours?
Honestly, I feel sorry that that is the case for you, but when you come on YouTube to tell Americans to stop exercising their rights just because you don't have them you sound like a complete moron.
ialsoagree 8 months ago
Sanity is what they advocate. I like Atheists, Wiccans Agnostics. They happen to be saner than fundie types. Sh*t there comes a time to live and let live. I myself experienced great persecution from Fundies growing up. Stupid ignorant gnats. But I overcame those twats. Of course when I looked around the world I realized there are normal people who aren't fundie sh*t for brain types. So f*ck them. No Cretins better come to my door.
abby495 10 months ago
love the tears for fears
patrickbateman2012 10 months ago
There is a huge group of us who are anarchocaptilist who are athiest who opose governemnt schools and advocate home schooling. Many of us are Free Staters.
LuckyShitZu 11 months ago
i wonder how familiar these fellas are with alex jones and
infowars.com ...
as a matter of fact, i bet big dilly would love a N.W.O.
PacmanBonez 11 months ago
My atheistic beliefs are simple, I don't believe in any god/gods. Anything like evolution is not an atheistic belief but scientific belief/fact. anyway I just made a video posing a question to christians on the subject of the bible, I am not bashing your beliefs in fact i am asking a question on one of your beliefs. check it out and give me an answer if you can. its less than a minute long.
DyingWillRain 1 year ago
I wish I could be that articulate. Too many times it ends up in a fight for me.
sol3a1 1 year ago 10
"So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."
If you sit on the fence in terms of God you are against him, to be secular is to be against God. Everything is for God, though if you claim to not be, so shall you no longer be for God but who else is there besides God? No one you want to be with.
imapisces23 1 year ago
@imapisces23 I dont think thats quite true god;s judgement is based on more than that. I wouldnt say that is completely bogus but everyone is on the fence in some way. Remember the pharisees who said thank you god i am not like that sinner. Was he on the fence no, but he sinned constantly. So no one is perfect overnight.
cmp2nite2 1 year ago
@imapisces23 I dont think thats quite true god;s judgement is based on more than that. I wouldnt say that is completely bogus but everyone is on the fence in some way. Remember the pharisees who said thank you god i am not like that sinner. Was he on the fence no, but he sinned constantly. So no one is perfect overnight. because even good christians are on the fence in some way. But I do understand about being focused and commited to god and having faith.
cmp2nite2 1 year ago
Ok, You had me at Hello...I LOVE THAT FRICKIN SONG!! Seriously though I'm a Christian and I totally agree with you. Beliefs are a "personal choice" and should be taught at home. The real test of faith for a kid is their Parent's or Caretaker not being hypocrites and present moral foundations that anyone can respect and look up to. Seperation of Church & State in EVERY way, that way there is no confusion and all beliefs are either respected or ignored.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago 2
@atlasshrugged2u I wish more people thought like you despite their personal beliefs, props friend.
Petey0707 1 year ago
@Petey0707 Thank you my friend; I wish they did too. Hang in there, there are more Christians that think this way as well whether they want to admit it or not.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
These are atheist bobble heads that are getting their thoughts moving. They are not real persons, they are only atheist.
GetRealHoustonOdessa 1 year ago
@GetRealHoustonOdessa And this my freinds, is how religion divides the human race, so that they can label us as they wish...
TheBalrukt 1 year ago
Those opening songs really need to go. They really look like idiots sitting there like that....
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GERENDAZEE 1 year ago
This guy doesn't know what he believes. Athiesm is for the weak willed, that's apparent.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 ... as is spelling "atheist" correctly, that's apparent.
Sorry. Cheap shot.
Your first sentence is in need of rearrangement. It's supposed so say "This guy knows what he doesn't believe"; that's what's *all* about.
GreyLabyrinthine 1 year ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Spelling is for the weak willed? Mmmm... Some people need to learn proper grammar also: "that's what's (what it's/what it is) *all* about." Ha.
This guy is also retarded, so how could he even know what he believes?
Guyll21 1 year ago
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@Guyll21 English isn't my first language. You, on the other hand, are ahmehricunn. There are expectations. (We can have this conversation in my mother tongue, though, if you like?)
"This guy is also retarded, so how could he even know what he believes?"
What's that 'also' doing in that sentence? And again: This guy knows what he _doesn't_ believe.
GreyLabyrinthine 1 year ago
@Guyll21
This is by far one of the weakest arguments I have read,its very simple,I want you to think about any god you don't believe in,now think about why you don't believe in that god,and congratulations,you are now atheist towards that god which makes you nothing more than a hypocrite.
Azoic101 1 year ago
@Azoic101 I believe in THE God, not all the trappings that mankind has apllied to a supreme being. I can't be a hypocrite when I don't believe in all the trash that athiests have obviously been exposed to. It's easy not to believe in something when it is misrepresented.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 What exactly is "THE God"? Don't kid yourself into thinking that your idea of God is unique, when you're just piggy-backing off an idea that was around thousands of years before you were born.
reasonformirrors 1 year ago
@reasonformirrors Did i claim my knowledge as unique? No. Oh yeah, and you are not "piggy-backing" off someone else? I guess there were no athiests before you came along huh? Strange.... Don't assume that YOUR idea is superior when you also have no prove whatsoever. Think before you type.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 Answer the question: what is "THE God"? "All the trappings that mankind has applied to a supreme being" implies that you got right what a lot of people got wrong. What is it? I'll be more specific: even using the term "God", you're piggy-backing off the thousands of mythical god characters created throughout history, and once you tell me what you believe, I'll point out which myths you're specifically copying. Disbelief is a normal cognitive function. There's no "piggy-backing."
reasonformirrors 1 year ago
@reasonformirrors God is no myth. Trying to tie God to "similar mythical characters" is totally useless to someone who believes in God. I'm not "copying" anything. I have my own personal opinions when it comes my believe of God. Trust me, my opinions are at the wrong end of what a lot of believers claim. Who cares if you don't believe? It's no sweat off my back. Hey you said the word "piggy-backing", not me.
Guyll21 1 year ago
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@Guyll21 So, what exactly do you believe, and why do you believe it?
reasonformirrors 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "God is no myth."
Yes, he is. Like ALL the OTHERS.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Well, as all atheists say to me when I say God does exist, "Prove it." Unfortunately, all you can do is speculate.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 They say that because you CAN'T prove it. Yet here we atheists are, having proof AGAINST your Bible, all the facts point to it being utter bullshit, and we have facts that all point to your god, or any god not existing. Yet there YOU are telling us to open our eyes when you don't have a -single- iota...none ONE shred of proof to back up YOUR claims. But we do. You know how pathetic that is?
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Where's the proof genius? Where's the facts that God doesn't exist? What's pathetic is believing your claims are anymore valid than a believers just because you disagree. You are free to disagree us, as I with you, but you can't just state that you have concrete proof, either way, regarding this subject. There are IDEAS that point to both non-existence and existence, are some more valid than others? Yes, but it is a personal decision to which you believe.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "Where's the facts that God doesn't exist?"
You are talking what I said OUT of context. I never stated that there is one thing that rules God completely out. What I -said- was that we have facts that go AGAINST your God. Against your Bible. Facts that completely go against what the Bible and God says. Evilution for one, or the FACT that the so called flood never happened. The fact, that the Big Bang really isn't so much of a theory any more. I could list more.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "What's pathetic is believing your claims are anymore valid than a believers just because you disagree."
What's pathetic is believing your claims are more valid over SCIENCE, and that just because you "believe" makes God real. I'm not making claims, I'm stating facts. WE hold the cards, not you.
"you can't just state that you have concrete proof"
Yes, I can. We know that there was no flood, and that the universe is continuing to grow because of something that happened. (The Big Bang)
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@Guyll21 We know for a FACT that evolution is true, it's been -recorded.- We know for a FACT that your God is a tyrannical fucktard. Read your book and you'd find out.
"There are IDEAS"
There is a difference between ideas and facts, my friend. Yeah. Some of your IDEAS may point to the existence of God, but they are just -ideas-. Not facts.
Where's teh proof, genius? Where's the facts that say God does exist? Give them to me. You'd be the first.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Yes, and now we know you are completely misinformed on a myriad of subjects. First off, evolution is a theory and so is the big bang, i.e. unsubstantiated. You know a lot "FACTS" that other people, even atheists and scientists, recognize as theories. And there is PROOF that the Earth was once flooded. Your "FACTS" are not superior to my believes because they are not facts. Show me evidence God doesn't exist then I'll give proofing otherwise to you a shot.
Guyll21 1 year ago
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Oh, oh, okay...because you said evolution is a fact I guess it is then. pffft.. The big bang theory is "more or less" (in other words, A THEORY) fact? By saying that you are agreeing it's a theory. There is lots of evidence of the Earth being flood moron. Your facts have just been debunked. You just contradicted yourself. Earlier you said there is proof that points to God's nonexistence but now you say nobody can prove it either way....? WTF?
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "because you said evolution is a fact "
And I'm right. It is a fact.
"The big bang theory is "more or less""
In other words, it's going to put all you people to shame when we know 100% for sure that's what happened. You must not realize just how much evidence we have to support the Big Bang. It's gone past the theory stage. It is now the top leading explanation we have to how we came into existence.
"There is lots of evidence of the Earth being flood moron."
No there isn't, MORON
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Mmmm, funny, I've never heard of "The Fact of Evolution". "In other words"... Now you sound like someone trying to prove God exists, strange.
There is evidence of the Earth being flooded. How have the bones of sea creatures been found a 1,000 miles inland? How is sea salt present in inland deserts? Put the FACTS together for yourself and see the truth. MORON.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "I've never heard of "The Fact of Evolution""
You must not watch Nova, or educational channels, read the newspaper, or things online. You are showing quite the ignorant stupidity like all other people who don't believe in evolution do.
"Now you sound like someone trying to prove God exists"
YOU are the one doing that, not me.
"There is evidence of the Earth being flooded."
What part of, "There is no evidence" doesn't your pathetic little brain understand?
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic So you're saying experts on the subject evolution don't call it a theory? Mmm. You didn't even get my meaning did you? Ignorant. There is evidence as stated.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "There is evidence as stated."
No, there isn't.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Alright kiddo, whatever you say.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 Not a kid.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Could've fooled me. All evidence points to the contrary.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 Lol, now you're using MY lines. Nice. Well all evidence points to you being just like every fucktarded believer out there.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "How have the bones of sea creatures been found a 1,000 miles inland?"
That isn't evidence of a flood. Nice try.
"How is sea salt present in inland deserts?"
That isn't evidence of a flood. Nice try.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
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@Guyll21 "Put the FACTS together for yourself and see the truth."
I'm not the one who believes in an invisible flying dead zombie Jew to which there is NO evidence for AT ALL, and that some guy built a little boat, putting every single living creature on it to survive a world wide flood that he knew was going to occur. (And no, there isn't any evidence for Noah's Ark, either.)
I'm not the one who believes in the utterly fucking RIDICULOUS that are fairy tales.
MORON.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Sorry you can't comprehend beyond your own physical being. I would hate to lead such a miserable unenlightened life such as you must be.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 Sorry you can't comprehend reality. I would hate to lead such a miserable unenlightened life such as you must be.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic "I know you are but what am I". What a genius.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 That is in no way the same thing. Who's the kid now? Looks like you won that title.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "First off, evolution is a theory"
What part of "evolution has been RECORDED and PROVEN to happen" don't you fucking get? MORON.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Are you serious? No one's lived long enough to even see evolution take place. According to scientists there would have to be documented records going back some 15,000 years to trace an evolutionary pattern. I can't believe you're preaching evolution but know absolutely nothing about it.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 "No one's lived long enough to even see evolution take place."
You don't know the first thing about evolution, or what kinds of evolution there are. Shut up.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@TheFreebornFanatic Oh so now your ture colors show. "If you stump me, j-j-j-ust SHUT UP!" Grow up man.
Guyll21 1 year ago
@Guyll21 You haven't stumped me. I'd just rather not talk to someone who spews absolute fucking nonsense out of his mouth every time he opens it. My "true colors" as you called them. Lol. I like how you Christians make up your own little facts and things to suit your needs. It amuses me.
TheFreebornFanatic 1 year ago
@Guyll21 why would he have to prove god doesn't exist. If you make the claim he does exist, then you should have to prove it. There is a monster under my bed, prove me wrong. See how stupid that sounds?
Wh1teNinja69 1 year ago