Listen up Calvinist. Rev 22: 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Jesus DIED for everyone, yet he, being all knowing, KNEW before he even created Man, that it would Rebel, and that only some would COME to christ, so technically you could say God "picks" his Saved, but I dont really like to see it like this, i just like to say God already knows if your going to BE one,.
The context always determines the word "all" and what it refers to. Thanks for proving my point. If you believe that there are many whom Jesus attempted to save and failed...you have a false gospel and need to repent.
Just because Jesus preaches to people and all don't get saved doesn't mean Jesus failed. You Calvinists are amazing, always ready to condemn anything in the name of your god called "sovereignty." Yes, you sacrifice every attribute of God on the altar of sovereignty, as if every thing must take a back seat to that, including God's mercy, his love, and his justice. You are blind, and you are blind because you want to continue in your traditions of Calvinism that make the word of God ineffectual.
He's the savior of the whole world? Does the whole world find salvation in Christ their savior? Guess what ALL that believe in Christ shall be saved but who will believe....simple answer....the elect
Yes, he is the saviour of the whole world: "who is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe" You see, I have direct evidence for my position. You have no verses that say "he is not the saviour of all men or the saviour of some men" The evidence is with my belief, not yours.
Actually it's very clear that he gave his life for his sheep. The unbeliever who dies unrepentant obviously was never his sheep because his sheep hear his voice. No man can come to me unless the Father draws him. That is that no man has the ability to come to Christ without the drawing of the Father. Again it's quite simple. Christ say
Sir The shepard gave his life for his sheep and his sheep hear his voice. If an unbeliever dies unrepentant then he was never his sheep. He gave a ransom for many KingJames. How would you define many in that statement?
It is not how "I" would define many but how God defines it himself. In Romans 5:19, "many" were made sinners (and we know all were made sinners), and many shall be made righteous (all it says here). They will be made righteous is they believe.
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Rom. 5:19
You cannot deny "all" were made sinners but it says "many."
Of course I'm NOT a universalist. All shall be made righteous IF they receive him. "to as many as RECEIVED him to them gave he power to become the sons of God."
John 10:27. Jesus died for his sheep...the pharisees there ARE not his sheep (v 26), he didn't die for them.
IF "all" always means "ALL", then Romans 8:32..Gives us ALL things (does this include HELL, and condemnation, and riches, etc...of course not..'all' is defined by the context.)...You hate the True Jesus, it is obvious. You hate a God that is sovereign and chooses his people.
I never said "all" always means "all of everything" You don't even know who "his people" is. You probably haven never studied that phrase in scripture but JUST ASSUME it means the elect. It doesn't. Look at how "his people" is used in Luke 1:68-80. You will see it's the Jewish people that are "his people" So now are you going to say he redeemed only the Jewish people because it said he redeemed his people? No, not all Israel is saved, so it has to mean more than one group.
NO, Matthew 11:28 JESUS IS calling ALL THAT LABOR and are Heavy laden. IT IS ONLY THOSE THAT LABOR and are brought to feel the weight of sin that he is calling..Just like Jesus said HE DID NOT come for the righteous (self righteous) but for SINNERS..Jesus came to save those that are LOST..it is true...He came for HIs people, YOu have Jesus failing...wanting to save all, and failing at it..your jesus is a false idol.
No, your false Jesus came to "seek and save a few of the lost". Your Jesus could care less about most of the rest that are lost. He's sovereign you know.
Somewhere further down it was said that we "redefine words" such as "all", when in fact no redefinition is necessary because one of the primary definitions of "pas" in the Greek is "all collectively" or "some of all sorts"
And how Ironic its the people that reject Jesus' teachings on election and predestination are at John 6:66 !!! They have excepted the mark of the God of this world. A God that is not soverign. A God that wants to save but cant. I MEAN COME ON SKALA GRACE REALLY DOESNT SAVE ANYBODY! WE ALL GOT GRACE. YOU KNOW SKALA YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING! YOUR SALVATION DOESNT ANCHOR ON GRACE IT ANCHORS AND IS FINISHED IN MY WORK. LOL
If Jesus took the sins of every person that ever lived on himself then shouldn't every person be saved? Oh, I get it. Jesus took the sins of all people on himself for the mere opportunity for all of those people to be saved., rtght? It is really their decision that saves them, in addition to Jesus, right? LOL You Arminians and Catholics speak heresy. The Bible is full of Calvinist doctrine. You would rather believe lies than the truth. We know who your master is! Repent, and leave the harlot!
Why didn't the early church need John Calvin? Does God really support people clinging to man-made doctrines? God took on a human body and died for the world, yet not everyone is receiving it. If someone got you a gift, and you never opened it, could you really say that they never really got it for you to start with? It had your name on it, but you never opened it. Was it really their fault that you didn't open it, or was it your own choice?
If you were already given to the Lord, then according to Romans 8, you had the Spirit of God inside you. Are you going to claim that you had God's Spirit inside you in eternity past???? I didn't think so. "...if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" You were none of his until you had the Spirit of Christ. Bye,bye, election from eternity past.
Hello: I imagine that you have some unChristian friends or family. I imagine also that you pray for their salvation. When you pray for them, what do you ask of God?
That they would humble themselves under the mighty hand of God, and that they would believe in Jesus Christ with all their heart. I pray that they would believe the word of God.
God's sovereignty does not necessitate complete determinism. INDEED!! The arguement is sound enough.....the terms "elect", "foreknowledge", and "sanctification" don't need any more explaining after understanding what "through" and "IN HIM" means.
God already KNOWS the consequences of human choices and, as Walls and Dongell put it, "The gospel call to deny oneself and to take up one's cross and follow Jesus directly challenges every human instinct for self-preservation..."
Steve, I don't know what to say man...it is frustrating to see so many professing christians who want to twist the Bile and the truth written in the KJV...I have been trying to stay away from the issue but it pulls me back now and then....I am more trying to focus on my own Bible study and hopefully bless people who don't even know the scriptures at all....before they join with a false philosophy instead of the bible truth...
If God knows the future, there is only ONE POSSIBLE FUTURE, otherwise, it is not knowledge.
If God does not know the future, then he doesnt know everything.
if there is only one possible future, then you dont really have any choices or ability to change that, if you did, then God never really knew what was going to happen.
how can you get around this, either everything is already set, or God is not all knowing.
You philosophical Calvinists make me laugh. All of you have your trumped up conclusions that you think makes your right. All it makes you is a two-bit philosopher who rejects the possibility that God knows things about logic that you don't. You're religion is a cult, and it's a sham, and it's one of Satan's favorite tools of deception.
Well, if you're not a Calvinist, you sure sounded like one. I'd rather talk about the Bible minus any traditions of man than silly suppositions. My apologies for assuming you were Calvinist. Don't let them suck you in.
It is a good point though... and one of the reasons I am not a chirstian, the calvinist god defies all notions of love and mercy, and the arminian god defies logic. We're not left with much, at least in protestant christianity. Maybe the Catholics have a better answer... who knows :)
NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! not the cult of the dead woman. constantine in 235 a.d. melded his sun worship w/ real Christianity and here we have catholicism. there is a Christian body that isnt protestant. what did you mean when you said arminian god defies logic?
This you should remember. Not everyone is a Calvinist that believes in the predestination of the elect.
I reject Calvin's Soteriology, his Christology, (which in my mind is the worst offense,) and even his best writings, are tainted by his wrangling of Scripture, to fit his theology.
As for election, Calvin was not the first to believe in election. If you don't count Jesus Himself, as well as Peter, Paul and John, remember Luther, who Calvin distorted.
According to John 1, I received Christ first, and then he gave me the power to believe on him:"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God..." He that believeth in me, THOUGH HE WERE DEAD, yet shall he live. John 11. Dead men can believe. You better try something else.
What do you say that Christ is talking about here? I am not being sarcastic. I would like to know how you interpret this.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
If He is speaking of the whole world, then maybe everybody is saved? (Now I'm being sarcastic.)
If He's speaking of the Apostles, maybe Judas was saved? (Very sarcastic.)
Read my article "John Chapter 6: A Response to a Brother in Christ" in the Calvinist section on my other site. It should answer many of these questions. Read the other 13 articles when you can. Don't forget I'm writing on Romans 9 as we speak. It will be coming out soon.
I just said that Calvin was wrong about double predestination.
I have quoted from Scripture as to the fact that God predestines the saved. Why must you assume I believe the Lord predestined the lost. I can't believe that, because His Word says that He wills that none should perish.
You have judged me incorrectly. You might want to look at the fact that both Arminians and Calvinists are wrong.
Scripture points to predestination of the elect. Because I stand in this, you say God is unjust.
I knew you would say that about double predestination, but many Calvinists believe God chose most men to go to hell while some don't. Those that don't like yourself are really being inconsistent within your own false belief, for if God wills everything, he wills that also. It's that simple.
God righteously condemns men for unbelief. The question shouldn't be how He does it justly, because we were all lost in sin, death, darkness and unbelief. We were all born of Adam.
But, through the Word, Christ gives us a new birth, which is no metaphor, but real. We deserved hell, and would have rejected Him like Saul, but He, through no effort of our own, gives us faith, and reveals Himself, through His Word.
We all rejected Him, yet He choose us anyway. We were in His plans before the fall.
You are wrong, WordServant. Your Calvinistic god condemns men before they ever exercised belief or unbelief. He condemned them in eternity past, and it wasn't based on what they would do in the future according to Calvinism. He condemned them because he wanted to of his own will. That means men are condemned because God chose to condemn them, not because of unbelief if your Calvinist. Now you have men going to hell for two reasons: for not being elect and for unbelief. That is heresy.
While the thought that God predestines people to hell is unscriptural, the thought that we make a choice to believe is equally unscriptural. No where in scripture is this found. By reason, Calvin believed in double predestination. Reason also makes people believe that they made a decision for Christ.
BUT:
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Without the gift of faith, we would reject Christ, like the lost.
Romans 9:[19] Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
[20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
This, in no way supports the idea that God predestines people to hell, but without a doubt, shows that He raises up, and continues to use, and harden, the already hard of heart. This is not predestination to hell.
You are right in focusing on the "whoever" in John 3:16. God predestines the elect, but not the damned.
It is a great mystery, but scripture talks about our faith, as a gift, not a decision. Calvin couldn't understand how God could predestine the elect, without predestining the damned, so he said that John 3:16 didn't apply to the world.
People who believe in free will, also reject the Gospel of John, which is impossible to read, and not see election.
You are right. Calvin was in error because he trusted in logic rather than the Word of God.
Logic tells us that if God pre-destined the saints, He must have also predestined the lost. But the Word is clear, that He fore knew the saved. Fore knew means that we are His first thought in creation, before the damned.
He allowed them to be born, out of the sinful seed of Adam, and us, out of that same seed of death, but, we who were predestined, who were no better, were made alive by the Word.
Why does He hold those He chose not to be able to believe specifically and eternally responsible for their unbelief? Doesn't that make Him a liar? It has Him saying He condemns them for one reason (unbelief) when their inability to believe was settled by Him (reprobatively or just "passing them over" makes no difference) in eternity past?
He can't say He condemns them for unbelief and be telling the truth...but the Bible says exactly that. Which is it?
That's not true, that Christ shed his blood for every man. That is heresy! If Christ died for everyone then everyone would be saved since God would not bring judgment on ANYONE who Christ suffered and died for. Your doctrine is that Christ died for all people but that He really saved no one until people make a good decision decide to accept Christ. You say that Christ died for THE POSSIBILITY for all people to be saved. Calvinists say that Christ died for His sheep, and He knew every one.
No truly "historical Calvinist" staying in the boundaries of Scripture would deny a need to proclaim the gospel to all men...they simply affirm the truth that not all men respond because not all men are drawn to faith by Christ. (John 6:44)
KJVMan, who misrepresent the historical "Calvinist" in the use of your first verse. You commit the dangerous error of taking a verse out of its context. Matt. 11:28 must be viewed in light of Matt. 11:20-30. Jesus condemns the cities for their unbelief; then He speaks of the Father hiding "these things (belief, faith, etc.) from the wise & intelligent; then He declares that no one knows the Father "to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." Then he makes a public call.
Your website is very very cool, brother. I like it. I'm not with you on the KJV only thing, though. There's a great John Ankerberg series on this issue...have you seen/heard it? I LOVE the KJV (it was my first) but I really dig the NKJV also. I wouldn't spit on The Message if it were on fire (which it is, of hell. God bless, brother.
Where does the Bible say you have to believe in Unconditional Election? Where, for that matter, does it teach it? I'm sick of the Calvin Cult. I think they like to puff themselves up with labels (like "Reformed")to show they're wearing their big-boy pants (Spurgeon admitted this to some extent). Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart...there goes the T and I of TULIP right there.
"Today, if ye hear his voice, harden not your heart" That's good stuff pennylane. I was going to use that soon in another video and used it in a article. If today is the day of salvation for anyone (or even the elect), then that has to mean that free will determines when one gets saved, because it could happen today for anyone. So simple isn't it? Too simple for the eggheaded of heart.
I have no problem with that particular text. In fact it just reassures me of the election of God. You (KJVM) meant it for evil, God meant it for good. Once again let's look at the CALL, because that's what it is. "Today, IF YE HEAR HIS VOICE, do not harden your heart." Can any one who hear harden their heart? Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"Can they do otherwise? Also Romans 8:29-30 "and whom He called, these He also justified;"...Is everyone justified?
Yes, but even if the ones who 'hear His voice' are supposedly the elect how is it possible to harden the heart? Against Irresistible Grace? No way. Didn;t God give Cain a clear choice in Genesis 4:7? and Jeroboam in 1 Kings 11:38? What about giving 'Jezebel' space to repent in Rev 2:21? You're not dealing with snotty Dr. Robert Morey's 'emotionalists' here. We fear God and exalt His sovereignty AND defend His system of allowing man to choose as He commands OVER and OVER.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
ALSO: Why does He blind the eyes of ''moral corpses'?
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The first 'all' means ALL but the second means 'the elect'? Away with these fantasies!
Calvinism is the most horrible of all cults denying the most important essential of all, the Love of God 1 Cor 13:13, 1 john 4:8, teaching a god who enacts all evil in world and punishes people for doing what they were predetermined to do by God before the foundation of the world with no reference to what the people would do, since the Calvinist god never reacts to what any man does. Truly Mormons and Jehovah's witness will enter the Kingdom of god before a Calvinist does.
We don't deny the Love of God, if anything the doctrines of Grace teach that, the Love of God in that yet we were sinners Christ redeems and atones for the sins of his people, out of every nation, tribe and tongue, not only jews, any other conclusion will only lead to Universal Salvation and that's no where taught in the bible.
I want you, Mr, McCalip, to answer WHO is Jesus talking to? John was an apostle to what kind of people? Jews or Gentiles?? Maybe that'll help you understand why he wrote John 3:16 and the passages right after.
Sure, Mr. Sanctum, I'll answer you. Jesus is talking directly to Nicodemus, a Jew. Jesus is talking to Nicodemus about "whosoever" and "the world" and that includes Jews and Gentiles, elect, non elect, and even you Calvinists.
Lol, Mr. Sanctum, that's pretty funny. But I agree, he's talking to a Jew. And in a Jewish mind when Messiah came it was going to be to restore Israel's Kingdom and Judge the world (Non-Jews). To a Jew when spoken of the world it refers to people from every nation, tribe and tongue. You did not answer the second part so I'll answer it for you. John was an apostle to the Jews that's why in all of his writings he's consistent when he says world meaning, not only jews...continues...
but people from every nation, tribe and tongue. But does that mean that every individual from every nation, tribe and tongue will be saved?? No, we know that not every son of abraham according to the flesh will be saved unless he's born again (born from above) which why the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus right before took place and the verses after John 3:16 talks about not condemning the world because that's what jews expect of Messiah.
Now if only the sons of the promise in Israel will be saved by being born again, then also only those who are born again from every nation, tribe and tongue will be saved. But if only those born from above will be saved and Jesus tells us that it's up to the spirit and we don't know where it comes from or where it's going, just like the wind. We don't control the wind. That's very consistent with predestination and election. ONLY THOSE BORN FROM ABOVE ARE SAVED AND THAT'S NOT UP TO US. GRACE
If you went to the greek you'll see that whosoever does not imply anyone can come without being drawn by the Father or on their own because there's no God seeker according to Paul and whosoever in the original which is the inspired writing says (the one who believes). I'm also a spanish speaking person and in my spanish bible it says that, the one who believes, but people are blinded by the out of context "world".
By the way no sarcasm or offense intended when addressing you by Mr, I'm 23 years old so I show respect to those older than me that's how i was raised.
Yes Jesus did pay for sins of people in Hell right now.
2 PETER 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord WHO BOUGHT THEM—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
notice the people in Hell whom Christ BOUGHT.
Limited atonement denied !
The Unconditional Damnation theology of calvinism is a cult.
Good answer calvinismisacult. Nice name too. Calvinists can't answer 2 Peter 2:1 if they tried. All their replies to this are futile. Yes, you are absolutely correct. One Calvinist tried to say the "them" referred to the word "people" used early in the verse. They will even ignore grammar when they have to. The antecedent of them is false prophets and teachers who were BOUGHT and redeemed by the Lord.
Calvinism is a cult mainly because it teaches a false gospel of Christ dying, not for our sins and sinners, but for some sins and some sinners. My videos addressed this as you know. Your cult teaches that only a very limited number of "elect" have the truth and they are the only ones that CAN be saved. It is no different than Jehovah's Witnesses, or Church of Christ, or any other cult who say unless you are in our group, you're lost. Truth is believed only by the elected cultists.
"Your cult teaches that only a very limited number of "elect" have the truth and they are the only ones that CAN be saved."
Then I guess Jesus WAS a Calvinist because He is the one who said "Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt7:14
God is NOT a failure. He will save who He intends to save. All men are not only offered the water of life but also commanded to lay down their weapons of sinful rebellion and repent.
"The Unconditional Damnation theology of calvinism is a cult."
First off, there is NO doctrine by that name in Reformed theology. No man is ever damned for no reason. They go to hell because they are sinners. All deserve hell. Show me one person but Christ who did NOT deserve to go to hell and I will denounce Calvinism publicly on You Tube. If Christ paid for the sins of ANY man who is burning in hell, God is a loan shark.
Did God send His Son to die for those He foreknew would reject Him?
I'm not a goat. I find that offensive. I didn't name call you. And I give God the glory for my Salvation. He gave me that freedom when He drew me to Christ. I didn't have that freedom to come to Him on my own. That's being set free.
The whole world or all men is meant for all races not all individuals or just jews. that is how most remonstrant folks misrepresent the scriptures. Only the elect will respond to that verse all ye that have heavy labor come to me! The gospel is a general invite that only the selected people will respond to because God ordained it before the foundations of the earth. Don't let your human emotions make you false teacher but if this is how you view scripture than my the Lord have mercy on your soul
Can you show me "effectual call" and "general call" in scripture? Why don't you speak as the oracles of God? That's okay. I already know your excuses.
So are you saying at about 3:48 here that He came to save everyone and failed, but only succeeded for a select few? John 6:44. Tired of the blatant delight in ignorance! He didn't come to save the goats, but only His SHEEP. Goats don't hear the truth. He wouldn't have likened them to blind and dull of hearing! Blind and deaf isn't voluntary anymore than hearing. You don't choose to hear the fire siren passing your house.
Jesus didn't die for "goats"? How self righteous you are. He died for sinners, and that includes you, you goat. Your cute little analogies don't impress me a whit.
Go read my article about the Passover and find out why Jesus is called "our Passover." That blood was put over EVERY Israelite's door (and you know that not all Israel is Israel and that every Israelite was not saved or elect). In fact, most were not. Go ye and learn what the passover meant. No election there. And don't give me this stuff about only the Israelites could have the blood applied to them. Strangers were allowed in those homes in Egypt.
"And don't give me this stuff about only the Israelites could have the blood applied to them. Strangers were allowed in those homes in Egypt."
You see it's statements like this that raise doubts about your claim that you once held to reformed theology. Incredible. Well, since you refuse to admit defeat in our trinity discussion, I guess i'll have to school you on Calvinism.
Do you care to explain how your reply means anything? Did only the elect Israelites put blood over their doors during the Passover? Yes or No? Don't forget Jesus is our Passover.
How could Jesus die for every sin of every man? Because unbelief is a sin, according to your logic, every man should be in Heaven.
Unless, Jesus only died for most sins, making forgiveness conditional upon faith and excluding the forgiveness of unbelief. In that case, option #2 is your choice.
whoops had the sound off when I clicked on to this video. WOW! Steve never sounded so good. I don't mean to sound rude, I honestly can't take any more of this guys heresy.
Just as I told spgdmin, I wrote an article on my other site at kingjamesman about John 6:44 called "John Chapter 6: A Response to a Brother in Christ". There is a reason Jesus said "no man can come unto me, except the Father which hath sent him me draw him" Of course, you assume it means they don't have the ability. Jesus said nothing of the sort in that same chapter. I can't cover it here, so read my writings before spouting off like I haven't dealt with this already. I give a sound answer.
Steve, I say this in love but you are very confused. You attack the biblical concept of particular redemption or limited atonement and decry the teaching that Jesus died for the elect alone. You claim it is a small number.
Yet what does the other side teach? That the sacrifice of Christ made it POSSIBLE for the world but did GUARANTEE the salvation of anyone. It is possible, according to this, that NO ONE would accept the free gift.
Also you believe you must speak in tongues to be saved.
Calvinism teaches a narrow bridge that does reach across the chasm. Yours is a broad bridge that fails to reach the other side. Not much of a choice. Your salvation is useless unless a fallen sinner first chooses God which they cannot do.
Jesus WAS inviting all. If they had come they would be saved. I preach to ALL. But only those the Spirit draws WILL come.
So Jesus purposely created others that couldn't come to him at all and he is telling those same people to come to him. Your Jesus needs to see someone about his condition. I don't say that in jest. And you say I am confused?
"So Jesus purposely created others that couldn't come to him at all and he is telling those same people to come to him. Your Jesus needs to see someone about his condition. I don't say that in jest. And you say I am confused?"
Yes Steve,the Bible calls them "Vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:22 and Jude tells us solemnly in verse 4 they were "ordained for this condemnation." But the potter has that right.
Jesus the man offered the water to all and IF they come they'll be saved.
Spgdmin, get your facts straight before you falsely accuse someone. You said I believe that "you must speak in tongues to be saved." I have never said that nor do I believe that at all. Talk about being confused. If you would bother to read my other site at kingjamesman you would learn that I don't teach that. A retraction and an apology would be nice since you say you "say this in love."
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (Jn 6:37).
"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (Jn 6:39).
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day" (Jn 6:44).
I couldn't help but notice that you skippped Jn 6 entirely. You must hate this chapter!
spgdmin, I thought we had enough of each other. Will your false accusations never cease? I skipped John chapter 6? Are you kidding? In case you haven't bothered to look, which obviously you haven't, I have written over 140 articles on my other website at kingjamesman. I wrote one about John chapter 6 and the very verses you are accusing me of ignoring. It is called "John Chapter 6-A Response to a Brother in Christ." Specifically,I answered John 6:44 with an answer that will stump you.
I was speaking of this particular video. Isn't this what we're supposed to be talking about on this page? This particular video?
I'm sure you have an "answer" to each one of the verses in Jn 6. Just because you have an "answer" it doesn't mean the "answer" you have is true or biblical.
My experience w/you, is you will string several disconnected verses together and then modify/reinterpret a very clear verse in order to "fit" the picture you create. You then allege your case is "biblical."
28. "Come to me all that labor" He now kindly invites to himself those whom he acknowledges to be fit for becoming his disciples. Though he is ready to reveal the Father to all, yet the greater part are careless about coming to him, because they are not affected by a conviction of their necessities.
I will be responding to this abominable video. This is just more evidence that you were NEVER a calvinist and are a liar. Talk about diffing your grave.
Correct. I don't read the bible. I Study it. The reason why I hold to the 5 points of calvinism is from an exhaustive study of the scriptures. Believe me, I would by more popular of a preacher if I held to your view of scripture. You are simply giving adhominem attacks with NO scriptual support.
I wasn't attacking you! I was making a comment re: video for James.
I pretty much don't know what Calvinism is about, other than what James is saying. And if what he is saying is correct, then I can't see how anyone could have such beliefs.
Anyway, I'm glad you're studying your Bible! If you keep at it, you can't be too far wrong.
Oh, that is if you're studying the King James Bible.
"I pretty much don't know what Calvinism is about..." Gee, ya think? You may be totally surprised to learn that much like yourself, Steve "pretty much" doesn't "know what Calvinism is about."
Steve trying to teach people who know even less about Calvinism than himself, sort of puts me in mind of that whole "blind leading the blind" kind of thing. Know what I mean?
BTW, you do know he isn't "King James" right? His name is Steve Macalip [I may have spelled the last name incorrectly].
Hey offline111. I've missed you ever since you blocked me from your vlog. I guess my questions were a little tough for you. Also, you realize that this enemy of the cross deny's the trinity. If you follow his teaching you make yourself 2x a child of hell.
offline 111 doesn't miss you Mark. You Calvinists are always mislabeling people including myself. Scott denies the Trinity as well. He believes like me. He believes in Jesus Christ, not a group of three people called God.
I volunteer to moderate! I have the equipment so that we could do it from the comfort of our own homes. All you would need is to have Skype downloaded. Since you both obviously have mic's, there's really nothing else that would need to be done. I moderated one between gnrhead and Turretinfan. Gnrhead said I did great and was objective (even though he's RC and I'm Protestant). Just let me know.
There's no debate on Limited Atonement. It is unequivocally DENIED by scripture. There is no, zero, nada support for it from anyone except Calvin and his ilk. Fine-sounding arguments do not a doctrine make. At least you guys should go to four points..even if it doesn't spell a word.
Sorry. But my conscience is captive to the word of God. That is why I believe in Limited Atonement. Here is a question for you. What was the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice? To potentially pay or actually pay for sins?
Hey, it's Christmas time, I'll give you a verse...Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Even THAT doesn't speak of His death. He died for ALL, even if all are not saved. Was His preaching wasted, too? God's prophets? All a waste?
John 10 - I am the good shepherd (11)...the good shepherd lays his life down for the sheep (11, 15)...I lay my life down on my own initiative (death, 17-18)...you do not believe because you are not my sheep (26). The shepherd died for the sheep and specified a particular group of people that were not His sheep.
Also, Rev. 5:9-10 - you were slain, and purchased with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Part of one chapter and two verse from another to start with.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Now, you quote this Scripture rightly, to show that Jesus died for all, but you rob the Father of His sacrificial giving of His Son, when you deny the distinct persons in the Trinity.
Jesus says that you can be forgiven for blaspheming Him or the Father, but not the Holy Ghost.
Your problem is that you trust human reason over Scripture.
...If any man thirst, (thirsts for Jesus, for truth, the living water, for righteousness) let him come unto me, and drink.
EverydayRevival 1 year ago
Listen up Calvinist. Rev 22: 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
phillip78 2 years ago
you don't understand calvinism at all.
i didn't either. you are very mistaken.
xunwinx 2 years ago
you ARE misconstruing calvinism,....
Jesus DIED for everyone, yet he, being all knowing, KNEW before he even created Man, that it would Rebel, and that only some would COME to christ, so technically you could say God "picks" his Saved, but I dont really like to see it like this, i just like to say God already knows if your going to BE one,.
BallPythonsRule 2 years ago
people are born in Gods image
stray away and must repent and forsake sinning
not augustine/calvinism's Idea people are born
in the image of Satan
it just excuses their living in rebellion against God.
according to calvinism people always keep sinning
and Jesus' church is unholy and sinful
its antichrist
openairpreacher 2 years ago
are you a universalist?
macanvard 2 years ago
My basic problem with calvinistic thought is that they think they can ignore Jesus
command to preach the Gospel to the
lost. I remember Him saying something about finding those so doing!?! Hmm.
thelordsfieldhand 2 years ago
The context always determines the word "all" and what it refers to. Thanks for proving my point. If you believe that there are many whom Jesus attempted to save and failed...you have a false gospel and need to repent.
nestosolo 2 years ago
Just because Jesus preaches to people and all don't get saved doesn't mean Jesus failed. You Calvinists are amazing, always ready to condemn anything in the name of your god called "sovereignty." Yes, you sacrifice every attribute of God on the altar of sovereignty, as if every thing must take a back seat to that, including God's mercy, his love, and his justice. You are blind, and you are blind because you want to continue in your traditions of Calvinism that make the word of God ineffectual.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
He's the savior of the whole world? Does the whole world find salvation in Christ their savior? Guess what ALL that believe in Christ shall be saved but who will believe....simple answer....the elect
truegrit5755 2 years ago
Yes, he is the saviour of the whole world: "who is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe" You see, I have direct evidence for my position. You have no verses that say "he is not the saviour of all men or the saviour of some men" The evidence is with my belief, not yours.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
Actually it's very clear that he gave his life for his sheep. The unbeliever who dies unrepentant obviously was never his sheep because his sheep hear his voice. No man can come to me unless the Father draws him. That is that no man has the ability to come to Christ without the drawing of the Father. Again it's quite simple. Christ say
truegrit5755 2 years ago
Sir The shepard gave his life for his sheep and his sheep hear his voice. If an unbeliever dies unrepentant then he was never his sheep. He gave a ransom for many KingJames. How would you define many in that statement?
truegrit5755 2 years ago
It is not how "I" would define many but how God defines it himself. In Romans 5:19, "many" were made sinners (and we know all were made sinners), and many shall be made righteous (all it says here). They will be made righteous is they believe.
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Rom. 5:19
You cannot deny "all" were made sinners but it says "many."
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
So you are saying many means all? and you believe many will be made righteous? So you're a universalist?
truegrit5755 2 years ago
Of course I'm NOT a universalist. All shall be made righteous IF they receive him. "to as many as RECEIVED him to them gave he power to become the sons of God."
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
Matthew 1:21...HIS PEOPLE
Romans 9:13 jacob i loved, Esau i hated
Ps 5:5..God hates all workers of iniquity
John 10:27. Jesus died for his sheep...the pharisees there ARE not his sheep (v 26), he didn't die for them.
IF "all" always means "ALL", then Romans 8:32..Gives us ALL things (does this include HELL, and condemnation, and riches, etc...of course not..'all' is defined by the context.)...You hate the True Jesus, it is obvious. You hate a God that is sovereign and chooses his people.
nestosolo 3 years ago
I never said "all" always means "all of everything" You don't even know who "his people" is. You probably haven never studied that phrase in scripture but JUST ASSUME it means the elect. It doesn't. Look at how "his people" is used in Luke 1:68-80. You will see it's the Jewish people that are "his people" So now are you going to say he redeemed only the Jewish people because it said he redeemed his people? No, not all Israel is saved, so it has to mean more than one group.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
NO, Matthew 11:28 JESUS IS calling ALL THAT LABOR and are Heavy laden. IT IS ONLY THOSE THAT LABOR and are brought to feel the weight of sin that he is calling..Just like Jesus said HE DID NOT come for the righteous (self righteous) but for SINNERS..Jesus came to save those that are LOST..it is true...He came for HIs people, YOu have Jesus failing...wanting to save all, and failing at it..your jesus is a false idol.
nestosolo 3 years ago
No, your false Jesus came to "seek and save a few of the lost". Your Jesus could care less about most of the rest that are lost. He's sovereign you know.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Um Jesus's dealing with the crowd in John Chapter 6 was pretty Calvinistic!
He drove away thousands telling them that the reason they did not believe in Him is because they were not given to Him by the Father.
skalapunk 3 years ago
When did I say "all" always means "all"?? Your straw man argument and putting words in my mouth doesn't fly skalapunk.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Somewhere further down it was said that we "redefine words" such as "all", when in fact no redefinition is necessary because one of the primary definitions of "pas" in the Greek is "all collectively" or "some of all sorts"
That's all I meant.
skalapunk 3 years ago
"That's ALL I meant" you said. Are you sure your "all" doesn't mean "some of all sorts"? to be consistent?
That's some of all sorts of what you meant.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Lol, now you got it brother!
skalapunk 3 years ago
LOL skala! that is classic. And extrememly true, the crowds loved him until he taught on predestination and election.
dwaynesweatman1988 3 years ago
And how Ironic its the people that reject Jesus' teachings on election and predestination are at John 6:66 !!! They have excepted the mark of the God of this world. A God that is not soverign. A God that wants to save but cant. I MEAN COME ON SKALA GRACE REALLY DOESNT SAVE ANYBODY! WE ALL GOT GRACE. YOU KNOW SKALA YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING! YOUR SALVATION DOESNT ANCHOR ON GRACE IT ANCHORS AND IS FINISHED IN MY WORK. LOL
dwaynesweatman1988 3 years ago
If Jesus took the sins of every person that ever lived on himself then shouldn't every person be saved? Oh, I get it. Jesus took the sins of all people on himself for the mere opportunity for all of those people to be saved., rtght? It is really their decision that saves them, in addition to Jesus, right? LOL You Arminians and Catholics speak heresy. The Bible is full of Calvinist doctrine. You would rather believe lies than the truth. We know who your master is! Repent, and leave the harlot!
NewDirection4us 3 years ago
Why didn't the early church need John Calvin? Does God really support people clinging to man-made doctrines? God took on a human body and died for the world, yet not everyone is receiving it. If someone got you a gift, and you never opened it, could you really say that they never really got it for you to start with? It had your name on it, but you never opened it. Was it really their fault that you didn't open it, or was it your own choice?
alonian0445 2 years ago
Calvinism is the 'bracket' theology, everytime they see 'all' they add the word [elect] (with the exception of Rom.3:23)
edwardpf123 3 years ago
If you were already given to the Lord, then according to Romans 8, you had the Spirit of God inside you. Are you going to claim that you had God's Spirit inside you in eternity past???? I didn't think so. "...if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" You were none of his until you had the Spirit of Christ. Bye,bye, election from eternity past.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Hello: I imagine that you have some unChristian friends or family. I imagine also that you pray for their salvation. When you pray for them, what do you ask of God?
SyeTenB 3 years ago
That they would humble themselves under the mighty hand of God, and that they would believe in Jesus Christ with all their heart. I pray that they would believe the word of God.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I understand what you want of the people, but what do you ask of God?
SyeTenB 3 years ago
Please read Matthew 11:27 1st and tell me how you re write the "to whom the Son will reveal him"
youratm 3 years ago
No need to "rewrite it" like others who do.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
God's sovereignty does not necessitate complete determinism. INDEED!! The arguement is sound enough.....the terms "elect", "foreknowledge", and "sanctification" don't need any more explaining after understanding what "through" and "IN HIM" means.
God already KNOWS the consequences of human choices and, as Walls and Dongell put it, "The gospel call to deny oneself and to take up one's cross and follow Jesus directly challenges every human instinct for self-preservation..."
blackiebori 3 years ago
Steve, I don't know what to say man...it is frustrating to see so many professing christians who want to twist the Bile and the truth written in the KJV...I have been trying to stay away from the issue but it pulls me back now and then....I am more trying to focus on my own Bible study and hopefully bless people who don't even know the scriptures at all....before they join with a false philosophy instead of the bible truth...
seaneire 3 years ago
You are not telling the truth.
youratm 3 years ago
how did you ever get around this?
God knows everything that is, and will be.
If God knows the future, there is only ONE POSSIBLE FUTURE, otherwise, it is not knowledge.
If God does not know the future, then he doesnt know everything.
if there is only one possible future, then you dont really have any choices or ability to change that, if you did, then God never really knew what was going to happen.
how can you get around this, either everything is already set, or God is not all knowing.
sniktawleahcim 3 years ago
You philosophical Calvinists make me laugh. All of you have your trumped up conclusions that you think makes your right. All it makes you is a two-bit philosopher who rejects the possibility that God knows things about logic that you don't. You're religion is a cult, and it's a sham, and it's one of Satan's favorite tools of deception.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
you just made me laugh.
first of all im not a calvanist.
second of all your post does is insult me, and does not, in anyway, show how my statement was wrong.
and third of all, you manage to call me a 2 bit philosopher, as if you were superior, but in no way did you debunk the points i made.
i posted in order to find out how the points i made could be countered, but instead i got insulted by someone, who cannot counter them.
thank you.
sniktawleahcim 3 years ago
Well, if you're not a Calvinist, you sure sounded like one. I'd rather talk about the Bible minus any traditions of man than silly suppositions. My apologies for assuming you were Calvinist. Don't let them suck you in.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
The reason I'm not a Calvanist is because of the bible, and the fact that if Calvanism were true, Satan would indeed be a better being than God.
The post I made was a Calvanist point that i have been struggling with, and am trying to find counterpoints to.
I would understand why you thought i was a calvanist.
sniktawleahcim 3 years ago
It is a good point though... and one of the reasons I am not a chirstian, the calvinist god defies all notions of love and mercy, and the arminian god defies logic. We're not left with much, at least in protestant christianity. Maybe the Catholics have a better answer... who knows :)
danytibi 3 years ago
NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! not the cult of the dead woman. constantine in 235 a.d. melded his sun worship w/ real Christianity and here we have catholicism. there is a Christian body that isnt protestant. what did you mean when you said arminian god defies logic?
filoIII 3 years ago
Well, maybe you've gone to sleep.
This you should remember. Not everyone is a Calvinist that believes in the predestination of the elect.
I reject Calvin's Soteriology, his Christology, (which in my mind is the worst offense,) and even his best writings, are tainted by his wrangling of Scripture, to fit his theology.
As for election, Calvin was not the first to believe in election. If you don't count Jesus Himself, as well as Peter, Paul and John, remember Luther, who Calvin distorted.
WordServant 3 years ago
Did you give yourself to Christ?
I did not. I was dead in my sin, and had to wait for the new birth, from the living Word of God. My Father gave me to the Son.
John 10:
27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, WHICH GAVE THEM ME, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[30] I and my Father are one.
WordServant 3 years ago
According to John 1, I received Christ first, and then he gave me the power to believe on him:"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God..." He that believeth in me, THOUGH HE WERE DEAD, yet shall he live. John 11. Dead men can believe. You better try something else.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I reject Calvin's theology in many parts.
You might be trusting reason, therefore, you can't answer my question.
I also have this to ask; Was Paul searching for Jesus on the road to Damascus?
Scripture is clear. You shouldn't hate everyone that trusts in the fact that their faith is a gift.
John 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
(44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
WordServant 3 years ago
What do you say that Christ is talking about here? I am not being sarcastic. I would like to know how you interpret this.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
If He is speaking of the whole world, then maybe everybody is saved? (Now I'm being sarcastic.)
If He's speaking of the Apostles, maybe Judas was saved? (Very sarcastic.)
He is speaking of the elect.
WordServant 3 years ago
Read my article "John Chapter 6: A Response to a Brother in Christ" in the Calvinist section on my other site. It should answer many of these questions. Read the other 13 articles when you can. Don't forget I'm writing on Romans 9 as we speak. It will be coming out soon.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I just said that Calvin was wrong about double predestination.
I have quoted from Scripture as to the fact that God predestines the saved. Why must you assume I believe the Lord predestined the lost. I can't believe that, because His Word says that He wills that none should perish.
You have judged me incorrectly. You might want to look at the fact that both Arminians and Calvinists are wrong.
Scripture points to predestination of the elect. Because I stand in this, you say God is unjust.
WordServant 3 years ago
I knew you would say that about double predestination, but many Calvinists believe God chose most men to go to hell while some don't. Those that don't like yourself are really being inconsistent within your own false belief, for if God wills everything, he wills that also. It's that simple.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
God righteously condemns men for unbelief. The question shouldn't be how He does it justly, because we were all lost in sin, death, darkness and unbelief. We were all born of Adam.
But, through the Word, Christ gives us a new birth, which is no metaphor, but real. We deserved hell, and would have rejected Him like Saul, but He, through no effort of our own, gives us faith, and reveals Himself, through His Word.
We all rejected Him, yet He choose us anyway. We were in His plans before the fall.
WordServant 3 years ago
You are wrong, WordServant. Your Calvinistic god condemns men before they ever exercised belief or unbelief. He condemned them in eternity past, and it wasn't based on what they would do in the future according to Calvinism. He condemned them because he wanted to of his own will. That means men are condemned because God chose to condemn them, not because of unbelief if your Calvinist. Now you have men going to hell for two reasons: for not being elect and for unbelief. That is heresy.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
if calvanism is true.
and some people go to hell,
then God is a terrible being.
this is very easy to deduct with logic,
and if you message me, i will tell you why (the posting feature on youtube bugs me.
sniktawleahcim 3 years ago
While the thought that God predestines people to hell is unscriptural, the thought that we make a choice to believe is equally unscriptural. No where in scripture is this found. By reason, Calvin believed in double predestination. Reason also makes people believe that they made a decision for Christ.
BUT:
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Without the gift of faith, we would reject Christ, like the lost.
WordServant 3 years ago
Romans 9:[19] Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
[20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
This, in no way supports the idea that God predestines people to hell, but without a doubt, shows that He raises up, and continues to use, and harden, the already hard of heart. This is not predestination to hell.
Why He chooses the elect is the mystery.
WordServant 3 years ago
John.6
[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
And again;
[65] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
This is clear proof, among hundreds of other scriptures that God pre-destines us to heaven.
Calvin was wrong, because he fell into the "logical" conclusion that the Lord must therefore predestine people to hell as well.
SEE NEXT.
WordServant 3 years ago
You are right in focusing on the "whoever" in John 3:16. God predestines the elect, but not the damned.
It is a great mystery, but scripture talks about our faith, as a gift, not a decision. Calvin couldn't understand how God could predestine the elect, without predestining the damned, so he said that John 3:16 didn't apply to the world.
People who believe in free will, also reject the Gospel of John, which is impossible to read, and not see election.
The elect are predestined, not the damned
WordServant 3 years ago
"God predestines the elect, but not the damned."
Calvin said he predestines both.
justagalactichobo 3 years ago
You are right. Calvin was in error because he trusted in logic rather than the Word of God.
Logic tells us that if God pre-destined the saints, He must have also predestined the lost. But the Word is clear, that He fore knew the saved. Fore knew means that we are His first thought in creation, before the damned.
He allowed them to be born, out of the sinful seed of Adam, and us, out of that same seed of death, but, we who were predestined, who were no better, were made alive by the Word.
WordServant 3 years ago
Why does He hold those He chose not to be able to believe specifically and eternally responsible for their unbelief? Doesn't that make Him a liar? It has Him saying He condemns them for one reason (unbelief) when their inability to believe was settled by Him (reprobatively or just "passing them over" makes no difference) in eternity past?
He can't say He condemns them for unbelief and be telling the truth...but the Bible says exactly that. Which is it?
Full disclosure: I'm very anti-Calvinism.
justagalactichobo 3 years ago
That's not true, that Christ shed his blood for every man. That is heresy! If Christ died for everyone then everyone would be saved since God would not bring judgment on ANYONE who Christ suffered and died for. Your doctrine is that Christ died for all people but that He really saved no one until people make a good decision decide to accept Christ. You say that Christ died for THE POSSIBILITY for all people to be saved. Calvinists say that Christ died for His sheep, and He knew every one.
NewDirection4us 3 years ago
No truly "historical Calvinist" staying in the boundaries of Scripture would deny a need to proclaim the gospel to all men...they simply affirm the truth that not all men respond because not all men are drawn to faith by Christ. (John 6:44)
nyoeye2002 3 years ago
KJVMan, who misrepresent the historical "Calvinist" in the use of your first verse. You commit the dangerous error of taking a verse out of its context. Matt. 11:28 must be viewed in light of Matt. 11:20-30. Jesus condemns the cities for their unbelief; then He speaks of the Father hiding "these things (belief, faith, etc.) from the wise & intelligent; then He declares that no one knows the Father "to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." Then he makes a public call.
nyoeye2002 3 years ago
Your website is very very cool, brother. I like it. I'm not with you on the KJV only thing, though. There's a great John Ankerberg series on this issue...have you seen/heard it? I LOVE the KJV (it was my first) but I really dig the NKJV also. I wouldn't spit on The Message if it were on fire (which it is, of hell. God bless, brother.
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
So I guess you deny the trinity.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Absolutely not! I can't see Jesus saying 'When I go, I will send me from me and I will testify of me.' I think the Trinity is very biblical.
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
Where does the Bible say you have to believe in Unconditional Election? Where, for that matter, does it teach it? I'm sick of the Calvin Cult. I think they like to puff themselves up with labels (like "Reformed")to show they're wearing their big-boy pants (Spurgeon admitted this to some extent). Today if you hear His voice, harden not your heart...there goes the T and I of TULIP right there.
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
"Today, if ye hear his voice, harden not your heart" That's good stuff pennylane. I was going to use that soon in another video and used it in a article. If today is the day of salvation for anyone (or even the elect), then that has to mean that free will determines when one gets saved, because it could happen today for anyone. So simple isn't it? Too simple for the eggheaded of heart.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I have no problem with that particular text. In fact it just reassures me of the election of God. You (KJVM) meant it for evil, God meant it for good. Once again let's look at the CALL, because that's what it is. "Today, IF YE HEAR HIS VOICE, do not harden your heart." Can any one who hear harden their heart? Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"Can they do otherwise? Also Romans 8:29-30 "and whom He called, these He also justified;"...Is everyone justified?
Sanctum85 3 years ago
Yes, but even if the ones who 'hear His voice' are supposedly the elect how is it possible to harden the heart? Against Irresistible Grace? No way. Didn;t God give Cain a clear choice in Genesis 4:7? and Jeroboam in 1 Kings 11:38? What about giving 'Jezebel' space to repent in Rev 2:21? You're not dealing with snotty Dr. Robert Morey's 'emotionalists' here. We fear God and exalt His sovereignty AND defend His system of allowing man to choose as He commands OVER and OVER.
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
ALSO: Why does He blind the eyes of ''moral corpses'?
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The first 'all' means ALL but the second means 'the elect'? Away with these fantasies!
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
Calvinism is the most horrible of all cults denying the most important essential of all, the Love of God 1 Cor 13:13, 1 john 4:8, teaching a god who enacts all evil in world and punishes people for doing what they were predetermined to do by God before the foundation of the world with no reference to what the people would do, since the Calvinist god never reacts to what any man does. Truly Mormons and Jehovah's witness will enter the Kingdom of god before a Calvinist does.
calvinismisacult 3 years ago
We don't deny the Love of God, if anything the doctrines of Grace teach that, the Love of God in that yet we were sinners Christ redeems and atones for the sins of his people, out of every nation, tribe and tongue, not only jews, any other conclusion will only lead to Universal Salvation and that's no where taught in the bible.
Sanctum85 3 years ago
I want you, Mr, McCalip, to answer WHO is Jesus talking to? John was an apostle to what kind of people? Jews or Gentiles?? Maybe that'll help you understand why he wrote John 3:16 and the passages right after.
Sanctum85 3 years ago
Sure, Mr. Sanctum, I'll answer you. Jesus is talking directly to Nicodemus, a Jew. Jesus is talking to Nicodemus about "whosoever" and "the world" and that includes Jews and Gentiles, elect, non elect, and even you Calvinists.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Lol, Mr. Sanctum, that's pretty funny. But I agree, he's talking to a Jew. And in a Jewish mind when Messiah came it was going to be to restore Israel's Kingdom and Judge the world (Non-Jews). To a Jew when spoken of the world it refers to people from every nation, tribe and tongue. You did not answer the second part so I'll answer it for you. John was an apostle to the Jews that's why in all of his writings he's consistent when he says world meaning, not only jews...continues...
Sanctum85 3 years ago
but people from every nation, tribe and tongue. But does that mean that every individual from every nation, tribe and tongue will be saved?? No, we know that not every son of abraham according to the flesh will be saved unless he's born again (born from above) which why the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus right before took place and the verses after John 3:16 talks about not condemning the world because that's what jews expect of Messiah.
Sanctum85 3 years ago
Now if only the sons of the promise in Israel will be saved by being born again, then also only those who are born again from every nation, tribe and tongue will be saved. But if only those born from above will be saved and Jesus tells us that it's up to the spirit and we don't know where it comes from or where it's going, just like the wind. We don't control the wind. That's very consistent with predestination and election. ONLY THOSE BORN FROM ABOVE ARE SAVED AND THAT'S NOT UP TO US. GRACE
Sanctum85 3 years ago
If you went to the greek you'll see that whosoever does not imply anyone can come without being drawn by the Father or on their own because there's no God seeker according to Paul and whosoever in the original which is the inspired writing says (the one who believes). I'm also a spanish speaking person and in my spanish bible it says that, the one who believes, but people are blinded by the out of context "world".
Sanctum85 3 years ago
By the way no sarcasm or offense intended when addressing you by Mr, I'm 23 years old so I show respect to those older than me that's how i was raised.
Sanctum85 3 years ago
Yes Jesus did pay for sins of people in Hell right now.
2 PETER 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord WHO BOUGHT THEM—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
notice the people in Hell whom Christ BOUGHT.
Limited atonement denied !
The Unconditional Damnation theology of calvinism is a cult.
calvinismisacult 3 years ago
Good answer calvinismisacult. Nice name too. Calvinists can't answer 2 Peter 2:1 if they tried. All their replies to this are futile. Yes, you are absolutely correct. One Calvinist tried to say the "them" referred to the word "people" used early in the verse. They will even ignore grammar when they have to. The antecedent of them is false prophets and teachers who were BOUGHT and redeemed by the Lord.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Then I guess Jesus died in vain because it did not accomplish what it set out to do and that was pay for sins.(Matt 1:21)
Also, let me again ask you for the twentieth time, what essential do calvinists deny that makes them a cult.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Calvinism is a cult mainly because it teaches a false gospel of Christ dying, not for our sins and sinners, but for some sins and some sinners. My videos addressed this as you know. Your cult teaches that only a very limited number of "elect" have the truth and they are the only ones that CAN be saved. It is no different than Jehovah's Witnesses, or Church of Christ, or any other cult who say unless you are in our group, you're lost. Truth is believed only by the elected cultists.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
"Your cult teaches that only a very limited number of "elect" have the truth and they are the only ones that CAN be saved."
Then I guess Jesus WAS a Calvinist because He is the one who said "Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt7:14
God is NOT a failure. He will save who He intends to save. All men are not only offered the water of life but also commanded to lay down their weapons of sinful rebellion and repent.
Blogrich55 3 years ago
"The Unconditional Damnation theology of calvinism is a cult."
First off, there is NO doctrine by that name in Reformed theology. No man is ever damned for no reason. They go to hell because they are sinners. All deserve hell. Show me one person but Christ who did NOT deserve to go to hell and I will denounce Calvinism publicly on You Tube. If Christ paid for the sins of ANY man who is burning in hell, God is a loan shark.
Did God send His Son to die for those He foreknew would reject Him?
Blogrich55 3 years ago
I'm not a goat. I find that offensive. I didn't name call you. And I give God the glory for my Salvation. He gave me that freedom when He drew me to Christ. I didn't have that freedom to come to Him on my own. That's being set free.
strumsaway 3 years ago
The whole world or all men is meant for all races not all individuals or just jews. that is how most remonstrant folks misrepresent the scriptures. Only the elect will respond to that verse all ye that have heavy labor come to me! The gospel is a general invite that only the selected people will respond to because God ordained it before the foundations of the earth. Don't let your human emotions make you false teacher but if this is how you view scripture than my the Lord have mercy on your soul
aquin520 3 years ago
Can you show me "effectual call" and "general call" in scripture? Why don't you speak as the oracles of God? That's okay. I already know your excuses.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
So are you saying at about 3:48 here that He came to save everyone and failed, but only succeeded for a select few? John 6:44. Tired of the blatant delight in ignorance! He didn't come to save the goats, but only His SHEEP. Goats don't hear the truth. He wouldn't have likened them to blind and dull of hearing! Blind and deaf isn't voluntary anymore than hearing. You don't choose to hear the fire siren passing your house.
strumsaway 3 years ago
Jesus didn't die for "goats"? How self righteous you are. He died for sinners, and that includes you, you goat. Your cute little analogies don't impress me a whit.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
The people in hell right now, did Jesus pay for their sins as well? Yes or No?
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Yes.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Then what was Jesus' intent in dying on the cross?
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Go read my article about the Passover and find out why Jesus is called "our Passover." That blood was put over EVERY Israelite's door (and you know that not all Israel is Israel and that every Israelite was not saved or elect). In fact, most were not. Go ye and learn what the passover meant. No election there. And don't give me this stuff about only the Israelites could have the blood applied to them. Strangers were allowed in those homes in Egypt.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
"And don't give me this stuff about only the Israelites could have the blood applied to them. Strangers were allowed in those homes in Egypt."
You see it's statements like this that raise doubts about your claim that you once held to reformed theology. Incredible. Well, since you refuse to admit defeat in our trinity discussion, I guess i'll have to school you on Calvinism.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Do you care to explain how your reply means anything? Did only the elect Israelites put blood over their doors during the Passover? Yes or No? Don't forget Jesus is our Passover.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I will be responding in video format.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
Did a Sabellian just call Calvinism heretical?
thenegrochristian 3 years ago
l o l
TruthInAnswers 3 years ago
No, a Christian did.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Either, Jesus died for:
1) All sins of some men. (Elect)
2) Most sins of all men.
Either, salvation is from:
1) God's Sovereign Will
2) Man's Choice
There's just no way to get around these 2 "Either/Or" statements.
kamaujackson811 3 years ago
That's like saying you're either Catholic or Protestant. I don't fall for you false choice scenario. Try it on someone else.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
No...
How could Jesus die for every sin of every man? Because unbelief is a sin, according to your logic, every man should be in Heaven.
Unless, Jesus only died for most sins, making forgiveness conditional upon faith and excluding the forgiveness of unbelief. In that case, option #2 is your choice.
kamaujackson811 3 years ago 2
"How generous is that of Jesus, huh, just to offer drink only to the elect. What a Savior."
Glorthac 3 years ago
whoops had the sound off when I clicked on to this video. WOW! Steve never sounded so good. I don't mean to sound rude, I honestly can't take any more of this guys heresy.
southernyankee07 3 years ago 2
Then go play with Mark or something. No one's got a gun to your head to watch my videos.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
"Come to me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
The question is, WHO COMES TO HIM???
"All that the FATHER GIVETH ME SHALL COME TO ME and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
John 6:37
Do all come to him? If not, how do we come to him?
"NO MAN CAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT the FATHER which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:44
NewInChrist 3 years ago
DRAW
Strong's 1670. helkuo (hel-koo'-o)
Draw- helko hel'-ko; probably akin to haireomai; TO DRAG (literally or figuratively) -- draw. Compare helisso.
The Father literally/figuratively DRAGS us into HIS kingdom!
NewInChrist 3 years ago
Just as I told spgdmin, I wrote an article on my other site at kingjamesman about John 6:44 called "John Chapter 6: A Response to a Brother in Christ". There is a reason Jesus said "no man can come unto me, except the Father which hath sent him me draw him" Of course, you assume it means they don't have the ability. Jesus said nothing of the sort in that same chapter. I can't cover it here, so read my writings before spouting off like I haven't dealt with this already. I give a sound answer.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Steve, I say this in love but you are very confused. You attack the biblical concept of particular redemption or limited atonement and decry the teaching that Jesus died for the elect alone. You claim it is a small number.
Yet what does the other side teach? That the sacrifice of Christ made it POSSIBLE for the world but did GUARANTEE the salvation of anyone. It is possible, according to this, that NO ONE would accept the free gift.
Also you believe you must speak in tongues to be saved.
Blogrich55 3 years ago
Calvinism teaches a narrow bridge that does reach across the chasm. Yours is a broad bridge that fails to reach the other side. Not much of a choice. Your salvation is useless unless a fallen sinner first chooses God which they cannot do.
Jesus WAS inviting all. If they had come they would be saved. I preach to ALL. But only those the Spirit draws WILL come.
Blogrich55 3 years ago
So Jesus purposely created others that couldn't come to him at all and he is telling those same people to come to him. Your Jesus needs to see someone about his condition. I don't say that in jest. And you say I am confused?
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
"So Jesus purposely created others that couldn't come to him at all and he is telling those same people to come to him. Your Jesus needs to see someone about his condition. I don't say that in jest. And you say I am confused?"
Yes Steve,the Bible calls them "Vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:22 and Jude tells us solemnly in verse 4 they were "ordained for this condemnation." But the potter has that right.
Jesus the man offered the water to all and IF they come they'll be saved.
Blogrich55 3 years ago
Spgdmin, get your facts straight before you falsely accuse someone. You said I believe that "you must speak in tongues to be saved." I have never said that nor do I believe that at all. Talk about being confused. If you would bother to read my other site at kingjamesman you would learn that I don't teach that. A retraction and an apology would be nice since you say you "say this in love."
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Steve! I don't think you're a blind man at all! I bet you know perfectly well what you're talking about!
Ammyai 3 years ago
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (Jn 6:37).
"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (Jn 6:39).
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day" (Jn 6:44).
I couldn't help but notice that you skippped Jn 6 entirely. You must hate this chapter!
spgdmin 3 years ago
spgdmin, I thought we had enough of each other. Will your false accusations never cease? I skipped John chapter 6? Are you kidding? In case you haven't bothered to look, which obviously you haven't, I have written over 140 articles on my other website at kingjamesman. I wrote one about John chapter 6 and the very verses you are accusing me of ignoring. It is called "John Chapter 6-A Response to a Brother in Christ." Specifically,I answered John 6:44 with an answer that will stump you.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I was speaking of this particular video. Isn't this what we're supposed to be talking about on this page? This particular video?
I'm sure you have an "answer" to each one of the verses in Jn 6. Just because you have an "answer" it doesn't mean the "answer" you have is true or biblical.
My experience w/you, is you will string several disconnected verses together and then modify/reinterpret a very clear verse in order to "fit" the picture you create. You then allege your case is "biblical."
spgdmin 3 years ago
My experience with you is ended.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
response matt 11:28
28. "Come to me all that labor" He now kindly invites to himself those whom he acknowledges to be fit for becoming his disciples. Though he is ready to reveal the Father to all, yet the greater part are careless about coming to him, because they are not affected by a conviction of their necessities.
ocpud2999 3 years ago
I will be responding to this abominable video. This is just more evidence that you were NEVER a calvinist and are a liar. Talk about diffing your grave.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
My pick is that the calvinists have a somehow malfunctioning brain.
It's that, or they never read the Bible.
Ammyai 3 years ago
Correct. I don't read the bible. I Study it. The reason why I hold to the 5 points of calvinism is from an exhaustive study of the scriptures. Believe me, I would by more popular of a preacher if I held to your view of scripture. You are simply giving adhominem attacks with NO scriptual support.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago 2
I wasn't attacking you! I was making a comment re: video for James.
I pretty much don't know what Calvinism is about, other than what James is saying. And if what he is saying is correct, then I can't see how anyone could have such beliefs.
Anyway, I'm glad you're studying your Bible! If you keep at it, you can't be too far wrong.
Oh, that is if you're studying the King James Bible.
Ammyai 3 years ago
"I pretty much don't know what Calvinism is about..." Gee, ya think? You may be totally surprised to learn that much like yourself, Steve "pretty much" doesn't "know what Calvinism is about."
Steve trying to teach people who know even less about Calvinism than himself, sort of puts me in mind of that whole "blind leading the blind" kind of thing. Know what I mean?
BTW, you do know he isn't "King James" right? His name is Steve Macalip [I may have spelled the last name incorrectly].
spgdmin 3 years ago
I know what you mean about the blind leading the blind... not a good thing at all... unless the first blind knows the way really well.
I knew he wasn't King James... guess I should have looked up his name before writing... but sometimes I just write real quick.
So Steve is not King James, but I think he would have made a good King James!
Ammyai 3 years ago
Amen Brother. Calvinism is a table without legs. The Lord is righteous.
offline111 3 years ago
Hey offline111. I've missed you ever since you blocked me from your vlog. I guess my questions were a little tough for you. Also, you realize that this enemy of the cross deny's the trinity. If you follow his teaching you make yourself 2x a child of hell.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
offline 111 doesn't miss you Mark. You Calvinists are always mislabeling people including myself. Scott denies the Trinity as well. He believes like me. He believes in Jesus Christ, not a group of three people called God.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
That is why like you, are on your way to eternal perdition. I challenge you to a public debate (not youtube) on Limited Atonement.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
I volunteer to moderate! I have the equipment so that we could do it from the comfort of our own homes. All you would need is to have Skype downloaded. Since you both obviously have mic's, there's really nothing else that would need to be done. I moderated one between gnrhead and Turretinfan. Gnrhead said I did great and was objective (even though he's RC and I'm Protestant). Just let me know.
LaneCh 3 years ago
There's no debate on Limited Atonement. It is unequivocally DENIED by scripture. There is no, zero, nada support for it from anyone except Calvin and his ilk. Fine-sounding arguments do not a doctrine make. At least you guys should go to four points..even if it doesn't spell a word.
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
Sorry. But my conscience is captive to the word of God. That is why I believe in Limited Atonement. Here is a question for you. What was the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice? To potentially pay or actually pay for sins?
Oct31st1517 3 years ago
He died for the lost also. That's the Bible, not human reason. One verse to the contrary? Even one?
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
Hey, it's Christmas time, I'll give you a verse...Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Even THAT doesn't speak of His death. He died for ALL, even if all are not saved. Was His preaching wasted, too? God's prophets? All a waste?
pennylaneproductions 3 years ago
John 10 - I am the good shepherd (11)...the good shepherd lays his life down for the sheep (11, 15)...I lay my life down on my own initiative (death, 17-18)...you do not believe because you are not my sheep (26). The shepherd died for the sheep and specified a particular group of people that were not His sheep.
Also, Rev. 5:9-10 - you were slain, and purchased with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Part of one chapter and two verse from another to start with.
nyoeye2002 3 years ago
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Now, you quote this Scripture rightly, to show that Jesus died for all, but you rob the Father of His sacrificial giving of His Son, when you deny the distinct persons in the Trinity.
Jesus says that you can be forgiven for blaspheming Him or the Father, but not the Holy Ghost.
Your problem is that you trust human reason over Scripture.
WordServant 3 years ago
Alvinists...LOL!!!
theheat151 3 years ago
amen brother!
AlphaCentauri00 3 years ago