India, Nepal and Pakistan -- Millions of men, women and children are used as forced and bonded labor in these countries. Most are dalit or from a low caste, or are from indigenous or minority groups. Laws against the caste system and against bonded labor exist but are not enforced.
Indonesia -- Forced labor and exploitation of migrant workers.
"India, Nepal and Pakistan " India & Nepal are not Islamic States.
Here we go again with a quote from YOU:-
"Laws against the caste system and against bonded labor exist but are not enforced."
Let's be honest, real slavery, i.e. working those of a different race to death was not only practiced by Christian countries upto 19th century but endorsed by their laws.
@MaximusArurealius ""India, Nepal and Pakistan " India & Nepal are not Islamic States." They aren't Christian. " But Brazil is and so is the U.S.A. but yet again you cannot grasp the simplest of points that none of them have slavery as part of their policy. Do you honestly think that the electorate would vote in a party whose manifesto included a policy of slavery?
Current incidences of large-scale slavery and near-slavery:
Sudan: There is considerable evidence slavery is still practiced large scale in Sudan -- an estimated 14,000 people have been abducted since 1983. the existence of slavery is denied by the Sudanese government.
Niger: Anti-Slavery International reported in mid-2003 slavery is rampant in Niger. This occurs even though slavery is prohibited by the constitution. Many are born into slavery and will remain slaves all of their life.
@MaximusArurealius "the existence of slavery is denied by the Sudanese government." That's because it is against their law. And here s the funniest bit and i quote from YOU.
"This occurs even though slavery is prohibited by the constitution. "
You haven't even bothered to read or understand the stuff you are copying and pasting because you have made exactly the same point that i have been trying to get you to understand. HAR HAR HAR HAR.
We have also documented in Faith Under Fire in Sudan, and in the Sudan: The Hidden Holocaust film the ongoing Islamic slavery in Sudan. Anti-slavery organisations have documented the prevalence of slavery in Mauritania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries.
@MaximusArurealius "The Hidden Holocaust film the ongoing Islamic slavery in Sudan. "
This is the trouble with living in the Bible Belt. You don't get to find out what is happening in the big wide world beyond your own door step. The troubles in Sudan are tribal (like so many other African countries) & this polarises into the religions of Islam. Attrocities are committed by both sides but nowhere in Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy.
@pecker "This is the trouble with living in the Bible Belt. You don't get to find out what is happening in the big wide world beyond your own door step." OH WAH WAH WAH you liberals always pull this strawman shit. "Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy" That wasn't the issue ya shithead. Go back and read and stop the strawmen, goal post movement, and red herrings. You really are afraid of that test aren't you? I can just see you squirming over it. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
@MaximusArurealius ""Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy" That wasn't the issue ya shithead. "
But it IS the issue yet you are too dim to grasp it. Slavery exists in Sudan (i'll take your word for that) & definitately exists in the USA and Western Europe.
Therefefore Slavery exists in Christian countries (as well as non Christian). Therefore Christianity STILL condones slavery. Now please tell me why you disagree with that statement & you may get the point.
@MaximusArurealius "Finally you admit the issue. And as it finally comes out, you're a liar. " No it's all their in the Bible and Sexual Slavery is rife in the highly Christian U.S.A.
"Indeed, the existence of large pools of political prisoners who worked essentially as slave labour is one of the ugliest revelations of life in the communist countries."
@MaximusArurealius "Indeed, the existence of large pools of political prisoners who worked essentially as slave labour is one of the ugliest revelations of life in the communist countries." As was the slave labour employed by the Christian Nazi regime in WW2. Tell me. Where are the slaves in communist countries working and on what projects? It's no good spouting slogans you lifted from a christian propoganda site.
And this is exactly the point i am trying to get through your thick skull.
All these countries have drugs too and murder and rape but none of these are written as permisible in their law books. btw Brazil is as christian a country you could wish for. Another own goal.
Those who reject Christianity will in time embrace all of the vices outlawed by Christianity. So we are seeing in this apostate age a resurgence of legalised child killing through abortion, the killing of the aged and infirmed through euthanasia, the legalisation of adultery and polygamy, the legalisation of perversion and prostitution, and a massive resurgence in slavery.
@MaximusArurealius "A Return to Paganism" Do you actually know what Paganism is as it not Atheism. Check out the demographics of the world's beliefs & tell me that Paganism is growing significantly.
Abortion & Euthenasia are not the businness of nosey Christians. Keep the fuck out of other peoples' business. Are you telling me that an entopic pregnancy should be left to murder a mother? Euthenasia allows dignity in death. You know absolutely nothing until you have been there.
@MaximusArurealius "That's made up bullshit. Tell me what is dignified about it? "
Imagine a man dying of throat cancer. If left unchecked he will die a horrible death by the tumor either bursting or choking him. This could happen any time and the chances are he will die alone and in terrible stress (even if just for a minute). With Euthenasia he could pass peacefully away with dignity while surounded by friends & loved ones. How could you be so cruel to poke your nose in?
@pecker "Are you telling me that an entopic pregnancy should be left to murder a mother?" Damn, do you know anything? You need to go back to school. It's not considered to be abortion you idiot.
Yet it involves the abortion of a fetus that in theory may have a chance to live at the expense of the mother.
Nobody advocates abortions on demand, it is a serious issue requiring much thought. If a young girl is expecting due to rape then she should have the right to abort. Fundies poke their noses in at pre birth but don't give a damn after. No child should be born to die. Keep out, Nothing to do with you.
@pecker, "Yet it involves the abortion of a fetus that in theory may have a chance to live at the expense of the mother" It's the removal of a diseased organ that does not involve a direct attack on the infant. It is not considered an abortion. It has to be performed because both will die if not. It is saving a life not not murdering one for the other. There is no direct attack on the personage of the child.
@MaximusArurealius When first diagnosed, an ectopic pregnancy early in the pregnancy, due to seering pains the fetus (located in a part other than the uterus, usually the fallopian tube) is often alive. The fetus can be removed at an early stage to prevent the mother's life from being under threat. This is an abortion of an often live fetus. How does a creotard deny that this necessary act is an abortion? Deny it's an abortion of course. Then again, that's the creotard way.
@pecker, "How does a creotard deny that this necessary act is an abortion?" You're pro-abortion. That means you're a baby murderer. You approve of an innocent child's being ripped apart, poisoned and burned with a saline solution, having it twisted about in an unnatural way to suck its brains out, but you're going to bitch that Christian moral theology allows for a procedure where NONE of that happens and one life is saved. You're nothing more than a fucking hypocrite.
Christian moral theology does not allow for either the mother nor the baby to be physically attacked. The mother has a diseased organ. It is removed. Incidentally the baby is inside of it. It is removed alive. At no time is it ripped apart and murdered. If there is something that can be done for the baby then Christian morals demand that it be done unless it is an extraordinary effort.
@MaximusArurealius "Christian moral theology does not allow for either the mother nor the baby to be physically attacked."
Oh i don't know. Try reading your Bible and learn about god sanctioning banging babies heads against rocks etc or god murdering innocent children in the so called "flood".
@MaximusArurealius "You're pro-abortion." No i am anti abortion unless there are extenuating circumstances & btw cut out all the ripping apart bullshit because an abortion can occur when the fetus is a mere bunch of cells with no nervous system, no & no brain development. Funny how you defend preserving just a bunch of cells but i bet people like you don't give a stuff about any child after birth. Do you worry as much about the innocent Afghan children killed by U.S. troops?
@pecker "If a young girl is expecting due to rape then she should have the right to abort" Wrong. Afterwards they report that they feel as though they've been raped twice. They never get over it. You need to talk to some girls who have had abortions.
@pecker "Do you actually know what Paganism is as it not Atheism" Yeah, I know that, but it's not a lot different. Every pagan I ever knew was an atheist first. They are like twin brothers of the same mother. "Abortion & Euthenasia are not the businness of nosey Christians" Protecting the innocent is the business of any human being. You never told me what is dignified about suicide or mercy killing.
The abolition of slavery was a fruit of Christianity. However, those who believe that the days of slavery are over are mistaken. As Christians have retreated from social and political arenas, and as nations, which had once been considered Christian, now move into what they term: “The post-Christian era,” we are seeing a resurgence of all those evils.
@MaximusArurealius "The abolition of slavery was a fruit of Christianity."
So you mean after 2K years of promoting slavery they actually acquired a conscience?
"“The post-Christian era,” we are seeing a resurgence of all those evils. "
Yet the great slaving nations in history were the British, Amereicans, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans etc all far mor devoutly Christian than they are today.
Try to underestand what you are reading before you copy and paste.
JL, pecker boy isn't going to take the test. REMEMBER I told you in the beginning that he was a coward and wouldn't accept the challenge. YOU bet me he would. You lose. I will pm you with my address to send the $100 you owe me. HAR HAR HAR HAR Notice he ran away and will never do it. I told you so. I so love saying "I told you so."
Pecker boy, thanks for making me $100 richer. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
@MaximusArurealius "REMEMBER I told you in the beginning that he was a coward and wouldn't accept the challenge. "
But i do. It's just that you are scared shitless of somebody discussing the results.
"Pecker boy, thanks for making me $100 richer."
Yes just think of all those additions you can make to your doll's house or jelly tots you can buy. Or maybe you could even buy a book, perhaps one on science. That would be a novelty.
@pecker "But i do. It's just that you are scared shitless of somebody discussing the results" WELL how you gonna prove that until you take the test. HAR HAR HAR HAR
Keep the laughter coming dunce boy, keep the laughter coming.
@pecker, "Don't worry. I laugh at every excuse and failure of yours to enter an open debate on this thread" Dummass, you're laughing? Here we are IN an open debate and you're laughing. HAR HAR HAR HAR you idiot. AND don't tell me about excuses when YOU have the test and all you have to do is answer the questions to raise your score. You're just a coward so shut up and go away.
@MaximusArurealius "Dummass, you're laughing? Here we are IN an open debate and you're laughing."
I make the arguments and all you have in your tank is HARs. Hardly a debate is it? In fact it's all a bit one way. Still always look on the bright side of life, as you are $100 to the good (allegedly).
UPDATED WARNING. I NEVER took the test of Maximumarse because he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers. I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement.
Weeks ago i asked Maximumarse ONE question with an opportunity to answer it right here on this video for all to see. He/she/it has failed miserably to address this question, unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate
I have taken the test. It is a simple dumbed down test to test one's understanding of evolution. It is not a test on creation. Anyone with even a basic knowledge of the theory of evolution can take the test and receive a decent score. Pilgrimpater is scared that he may be found out for the loser that he is, he has refused to accept the challenge. His constant obfuscation and attempts at damage control by reverting back to our answers expose him.
@jlroberts9914 "I have taken the test. It is a simple dumbed down test to test one's understanding of evolution. "
Yet you have clearly demonstrated on this thread that you don't have the faintest idea of even the basics of evolution. So, you have just demonstrated exactly why the test is of absolutely no value beyond maybe a bit of amusement.
I REPEAT, let's discuss each question one at a time. What are you so scared of? Oh yeah, of course. I will expose the test as useless.
The moron who calls himself pilgrim has received a ZERO for his test score. He was unable to answer a single question. NOT ONE. Now all you're going to hear from him is whining, bitching, and bellyaching. He's a fraud and knows nothing about evolution. PERIOD
He couldn't even answer #5 the give-away question everyone gets right. "When did the first fish crawl out of the ocean and become a tomato plant?" You have got to be a dunce not to get that one. HAR HAR HAR
UPDATED WARNING. I NEVER took the test of Maximumarse because he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers. I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement.
Weeks ago i asked Maximumarse ONE question with an opportunity to answer it right here on this video for all to see. He/she/it has failed miserably to address this question, unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate
@pilgrimpecker HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR When you agreed to take the test I made it plain to you that if you don't answer the questions you fail. You didn't answer them and after several warnings I awarded you a failing grade of ZERO. That's the way it works in any testing situation. Have you even been to college?
Unless he takes the test and submits his answers to me in a pm his score REMAINS ZERO
@pecker "I have never taken a test in fixing cars but i can fix many things on a car" And who is going to pay you to work on their car? ANSWER: nobody. Fixing the mirror or changing a tire doesn't make you an auto mechanic. Or mean that you even know what a piston rod is. AND cooking? are you a cook? Where? MacDonald's? hahahahaha
"Anyhow glad to see that you have honoured our initial agreement to discuss one at a time." hahaha good try asshole, but no banana! FAIL
@MaximusArurealius "And who is going to pay you to work on their car? " People have but yes of course it doesn't make me a mechanic and of course there are many jobs i would not take on (espicialy modern cars).
Seriously, you know nothing of the basics of evolution so you are in no position to mark scores but you are in a position to exchange views so why don't you? Tell me. If you think you have the answers can you reference them back to any evolutionary scientific papers?
@pecker "Tell me. If you think you have the answers can you reference them back to any evolutionary scientific papers?" HEY DUMMASS, none of the answers are so difficult as to need referencing. ARE YOU THAT STUPID? ALL you're doing right now is proving I am right about you and that you know jack shit about evolution.
@pilgrimpecker "I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement" That isn't the way it works and it's too late for YOU to be dictating the rules of the test. It's MY TEST and MY RULES.
IS this the way you dealt with test failure in school? Crying and bawling and attempting negotiations? NO WONDER you're a stupid brainwashed evotard.
TEST SCORE = 0 (and remains that until you complete the test)
@pilgrimpecker, What a mealy-mouthed sniveling coward you are. I can't believe you showed your face back in here again. AND GET THIS "unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate" OH bullshit. A test is NOT an open debate. AND then "he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers" APPARENTLY you don't feel that you know the material well enough to defend your answers. What's funny is they are very simple questions and need very little verbiage to answer them.
And don't worry dummass. If you EVER can muster the courage to accomplish the test your answers WILL be posted here. Then you can discuss them. You're the first one (out of at least 20 people) who has cried and moaned all over Hell's Half Acre, obfuscating and dodging and trying to squirm out of taking my simple evolution pop quiz. HAVE YOU BEEN TO COLLEGE? Are you still in high school? I have never in my life seen such disgusting behavior before.
@MaximusArurealius "And don't worry dummass. If you EVER can muster the courage to accomplish the test your answers WILL be posted here. Then you can discuss them."
Hooray, a step in the right direction but first let's have your answer to the question that i sent you many weeks ago.
If you don't know the answer then just say so. It won't kill you to admit you don't know.
JL, guess what? pilgrim said he'd take my test but when I sent it to him he cried and bawled and made all sorts of excuses as to why he can't just answer the questions and return it. I think it scared him. He really doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He's been dumbed down and brainwashed in the public school pig trough. He's basically just a coward. You should just ignore his bullshit from here on out. He couldn't answer the first question and is the first person to receive a zero.
@MaximusArurealius What was his answer to "the two requirements(as laid down by evolutionists) to prove evolution true?" I think everyone should see that one.
@jlroberts9914 He didn't answer anything. He's too afraid. He knows that he will be exposed as a fraud, but guess what? He is anyway since he can't answer.
@jlroberts9914 He's hiding out now. We probably won't hear from him again. He's afraid of my test. If he ever get's the balls he's going to be the first person to miss #5. hahahahaha
@MaximusArurealius "He's hiding out now. We probably won't hear from him again."
Nope you won't get rid of me tard. I won't let you get away with your unashamed cowardice. I might not wastre my time respionding everyday but i will let you get away with nothing.
@pecker "Nope you won't get rid of me tard" hahahaha reverse psychology works every time with dummies like you. hahahaha "cowardice?" hahahaha HAR HAR HAR I challenged you with a test and now you fucking around and weasling out of it. How does that make ME the coward?
@MaximusArurealius "I challenged you with a test and now you fucking around and weasling out of it. How does that make ME the coward?"
You're the coward because you now realise you don't have control of your meaningless test. Honestly Laws of Thermodynamics vs Evolution. You kidding? Do you know these Laws? You obviously know nothing of evo so how can you associate the two? Can you cite references to your answers?
Fancy giving me the names of the other 15 and their scores?
@pilgrimpater That is a non-answer because you do not know the answer. If you are intimidated then don't say Max is squirming, we see right through that horse shit.
@jlroberts9914 "If you are intimidated then don't say Max is squirming,"
LOL, do i look as if i am squirming dealing with you two bozos?
Nah, he is scared shitless of discussing each of his so call evolution questions and even more scared of answering anything that i propose to him/she/it.
@MaximusArurealius "JL, guess what? pilgrim said he'd take my test but when I sent it to him he cried and bawled and made all sorts of excuses as to why he can't just answer the questions and return it. "
Oh dear my lying little tard friend. Don't forget that i have previous experience of dealing with creotards and as a result i have screen prints of all our pm exchanges.
@pilgrimpater From what I see here you are making more excuses and your failure to arise to the challenge leaves you a big fat 0.
Damage control by exclaiming your experience with creotards only exposes you for the coward that you are, it is no affect upon a believer in creation.
@jlroberts9914 "From what I see here you are making more excuses and your failure to arise to the challenge leaves you a big fat 0."
Nope, my original offer is still on. Tell you what. Since Maximumarse is so scared of discussing each point then why don't you give it your best shot?
@MaximusArurealius JL guess what. I didn't agree to take the test. I agreed to take the test one question at a time via the comments of this video but Maximarese has chickened out of that one because he loses control of the predermined outcome.
Don't believe me? I have copies of all the conversations between us.
And this is the same clown that cannot answer ONE simple question that i posed weeks ago.
Aren't you embarassed by having such a clown on your side?
@bilgepater 1) The test has been taken by at least 15 people. You are the one who should be embarrassed, you are exposing your cowardice. Attempting reverse psychology (refer to #2) in this open forum will be seen for what it is to every passerby.
2) If this question that you are referring to is the same ole fossil sequence question, we have both answered it repeatedly. Just because you do not like our answers and quotes does nothing.
@jlroberts9914 1) "The test has been taken by at least 15 people. ". So what? I refuse to take a test on evolution when the person marking it has absolutely no knowledge of evolution. However, from day ONE, i have openly agreed to debate each one in turn but unfortunatley for you cowards that would mean you couldn't massage the score. Shame.
2) Oh yes some crap about birds fleeing the flood which i exposed as utter bolloocks. Was that it?
@pecker "I refuse to take a test on evolution when the person marking it has absolutely no knowledge of evolution" We're not here to find out my knowledge but yours. I know more than any evotard I have ever talked to. I have even pwned PhDs who just got embarrassed and ran away. It's the dummies like you who think they know something that are the problem. The educate ones know that I am right.
@MaximusArurealius "We're not here to find out my knowledge but yours."
But that knowledge can't be ascertained when the person who is marking doesn't have a clue about the subject of the test. I'd be better off with a chimpanzee doing the scoring.
"I have even pwned PhDs who just got embarrassed and ran away." Absolute confirmation of what a joke you are. Haven't you considered that every time they pwned you that they may have got fed up with HAR HAR as the only response?
@pecker "Oh yes some crap about birds fleeing the flood which i exposed as utter bolloocks. Was that it?" I never mentioned the flood. And that wouldn't be on an evolution test ya moron. So far you haven't exposed anything. That's the problem.
In fact you have not mentioned anything regards that question which you were set oh so long ago. As i said, if you don't know then just say so but don't ignore it.
Btw what flood? I have no knowledge of any flood. When did it occur and how extensive was it?
@pecker "However, from day ONE, i have openly agreed to debate each one in turn but unfortunatley for you cowards that would mean you couldn't massage the score. Shame." HAR HAR HAR More crying and bawling and rationalizing. You can openly debate AFTER THE TEST not before moron. I think all you're doing is biding your time and trying to google the answers. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR btw nobody has EVER claimed that I massaged the score. Now cry and whine some more ya coward.
OK I reply here, one question at a time via the comments with my answer. You give me what you think is the answer & we take it from there. I can't be fairer than that but i think it would make you look less of a snivelling coward if we started with the question that was set for you so long ago. So what's your answer? Sort that out then we can start your questions one at a time. At this stage you reek of hypocricy.
@pecker, HERE'S WHAT I SAID "If we're going to continue discussing this with you, you're going to need to prove you know something about evolution. I have a simple 15 question Pop Quiz for you. Are you ready to take it? If so I will send it in a PM. As soon as I send it the test begins." I don't send my test to someone who doesn't agree to take it. You did. I sent it. Do you have proof that I agreed to a change in the rules? No you don't so quit whining like a little baby and do it dummass.
@MaximusArurealius "Are you ready to take it?" Yes one at a time right here on this thread. You & your fellow clown have demonstrated that you don't even know the basics of evolution & in absolutely no position to ascertain whether an answer is correct or not. You are in no position to mark it. However, you are in a position to ask and then discuss it. So what is stopping you? And you STILL haven't answered my ONE question. I 'm smelling something redolent of BS here.
@pecker "in absolutely no position to ascertain whether an answer is correct or not. You are in no position to mark it" OH REALLY? I see you're still crying and bawling. haha ha You can always point that out. You act like there's no chance to do that. "I 'm smelling something redolent of BS here" No you're not, you're just dodging the whole thing because you don't want to be exposed. wah wah wah
It's all a moot point anyway. Your TEST SCORE IS ZERO until you follow the rules.
Yes OH REALLY. I have amply demonstrated on this thread that you know absolutely bugger all about evolution. In most cases you can't even reach the 1st level of apologies before resorting to rather childish HAR HAR.
"our TEST SCORE IS ZERO until you follow the rules. "
@pecker "I have amply demonstrated on this thread that you know absolutely bugger all about evolution" I must have missed that part. So far all you have proven is that YOU don't know anything about evolution and that you're a coward.
Not really. If you've nothing in the first place then how can you miss part of nothing?
"So far all you have proven is that YOU don't know anything about evolution "
Yet i ask you one simple question (the answer is easy) that you continue to run away from. Trust me, you know diddly squat about evolution. Like all creotards you think you know but your version is a world away from the reality of what evolution really states.
@pecker said, "I won't be able to sleep tonight." This was in reply to the fact that his TEST SCORE is ZERO that's quite an embarrassing admission pecker. Try not to worry too much about it. We'll get you through it after you take the test.
@pecker, "because he loses control of the predermined outcome" HAR HAR HAR you're scared aren't you? hahahahaha that's funny. You big pussy. hahahahahhaa What's to lose. AS OF YESTERDAY TEST SCORE = 0
You have nothing to lose and you might win. Who knows. btw if it is a predetermined outcome you will certainly be the winner now won't you? But as of yesterday TEST SCORE = ZERO
"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it." *H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin 31 (1980), p. 138.
@pilgrimpater WOW! Another appeal to the now obviously dishonest "ad majorum" "ad populum" and an appeal to it's too old. Darwin's originally dishonest theory is accepted by a few idiots even though it is well due the for the it's old argument.
I also notice you did not make any counter argument against Lipson's statement at all. Afraid you may demonstrate your ignorance even further?
@jlroberts9914 If you can possibly tell me why Lipson should think creation as "the only acceptable explanation" then i would be more than happy to expose the flaws in such a statement.
As usual you fail to grasp any point. I have never said that the majority view is necessarily correct but the onus is on minority view to overturn the majority with some actual evidence just like Darwin etc did to the centuries old myth of creationism. Until then you are appealing to "ad minorum"
@pilgrimpater "just like Darwin etc did to the centuries old myth" HA HA
This is 2012, we have enough scientific data from this and the last century to expose Darwin for the perverted racist that he was and he was an unlearned man who turned his back on his faith. He is a no one in this century but you can continue to worship his ignorance for the rest of your life. You are free to do so.
@jlroberts9914 "expose Darwin for the perverted racist "
A baseless ad hom. It was Darwin who fell out with the deeply Christian Fitzroy over slavery which the latter endorsed and Darwin abhorred. Slavery flourished for centuries under a Christian/Creationist society before it was abolished by society maturing. Even IF Darwin was a racist, it woulodn't detract in any way from his great scientific works.
Nobody worships Darwin. He was just a scientist who helped banish mythology.
@pecker, "Slavery flourished for centuries under a Christian/Creationist society before it was abolished by society maturing" You don't know anymore about history than you do about evolution which so far is ZERO. 1. You're too stupid to understand U.S. history is NOT world history. Christianity banished slavery in many countries before the U.S. did.
@MaximusArurealius "1. You're too stupid to understand U.S. history is NOT world history. " So the slavers didn't have churches on the plantations? Are you sure you know your own history? Just look at the remnants as exhibited by the KKK & IKA who are staunchly anti non white & staunchly Baptist.
"Christianity banished slavery in many countries before the U.S. did" Nothing to do with Christianity. It was society. We had 1900 years of Christian rule supporting slavery.
@pecker "Nothing to do with Christianity. It was society" HAR HAR HAR HAR
Society was Christian you dummy.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
"Baptist." HAR HAR HAR you call that Christianity? The only difference between an atheist and a Baptist is, an athiest hates the God he doesn't believe in while the Baptist hates the God he does believe in.
So why did it take 2000 years of Christian society and Christian slavers to relaise that what they were doing was probably wrong? Obviously the bible is not clear a document but wait, it is. It actually supports slavery.
"an athiest hates the God he doesn't believe in" Wrong. An Atheist hates god(s)/godesses(s) no more or no less than he does fairies.
Baptists hate god? Yet another retarded comment from MaximumArse.
@pecker, 2. It was Christianity that abolished slavery in the U.S. not some dumb atheist movement. CHRISTIANITY is the ONLY ideology that banished slavery EVER. Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world. Atheism has never come out against slavery.
@MaximusArurealius "2. It was Christianity that abolished slavery in the U.S. not some dumb atheist movement. " It was society not Christians or are you saying that Christians in the North & South have a different Christianity?
"CHRISTIANITY is the ONLY ideology that banished slavery EVER." You've never read the bible then.
"Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world." So, name the nations who have slavery as part of their doctrine.
@MaximusArurealius "HAR HAR HAR nations don't have doctrine you nitwit."
You really will have to stop overdosing on those "stupid" pills. OK if you don't like the word "doctrine" then please back up your previous ridiculous assertion that some nations have a constitution that supports slavery. Don't play with words, just tell vindicate your claim that some nations have slavery as part of their consitution.
@MaximusArurealius This is what you wrote. "Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world. "
OK if you don't like the words doctrine & constitution let's have your examples of "slavery in the non-Christian and atheist world". Give me examples where it is policy to allow slavery in the non-christian & atheist world. Don't give me examples of slavery that goes against the policy because you must then include Christian countries. Squirming again loser.
@pecker, SOOoooo you lied about my having said anything about nations with constitutions supporting slavery and so NOW you're moving the goal posts and attempting to set things in your favor again. According to YOU there is NO SLAVERY in the world. HAR HAR HAR HAR
@MaximusArurealius "SOOoooo you lied about my having said anything about nations with constitutions supporting slavery "
Then the bozo goes on to give me a list of countries where he claims slavery is rife. As usual far too dim to grasp the point. Slavery IS rife but so are drugs yet both are against the law. Sexual slavery is rife in the U.S. & the U.K. despite being against the law and correct me if i'm wrong but aren't these, especially the U.S., christian countries?
@pecker "Slavery IS rife but so are drugs yet both are against the law" We're talking about slavery, not drugs you ninny. Still trying to get out of taking the test aren't you? TEST SCORE == ZERO
WE are indeed but i have to use analogies to penetrate that extremely thick skull of your. I won't give up on you. I'm determined to get you to start thinking for yourself rather than being spoon fed baseless propoganda.
Btw how is your homework coming along? Late again. As i said, if you don't know then just say so. I am more than willing to help you out with answer.
@pecker, "I'm determined to get you to start thinking for yourself rather than being spoon fed baseless propoganda" HAR HAR HAR HAR sorry dummass but you're the one who believes in that ridiculous, silly-assed hypothesis called evolution. HAR HAR HAR HAR
No i didn't. You are the one who claimed that Atheists and Moslems were involved in Slavery. You implied that Christians were not yet they clearly are. It seems slavery transcends all belief systems. So back to square one. Please justify your statement and i will give you examples of slavery in Christian countries.
@MaximusArse Further to your baseless assumption then how come every Atheist i know & on YT abhors slavery? How come Darwin abhored slavery but his devout Christian companion, Captain Fitzroy, supported the practice? How come plantation owners were deeply Christian (using the lame excuse that blacks bore the Mark of Cain)? How come the deeply Christian KKK was born out of frustration at the abolition of slavery? No getting away from it, Christians are as guilty as anyone.
@pecker, "Christians are as guilty as anyone" Again you're a liar. 1. I don't know of any Christians who own slaves or approve of it. 2. No place is slavery permitted in Christian moral theology.
@MaximusArurealius "1. I don't know of any Christians who own slaves or approve of it."
So those operate the sex slave trade (and drugs) are not Christians? You are one naive fool.
"2. No place is slavery permitted in Christian moral theology."
Well apart from the Bible. No place is slavery permitted by Atheism nor Islam nor Communism. Which brings me back to my original point. So you got there in the end but by going the long route have made yourself look an utter fool.
@pecker "No place is slavery permitted by Atheism nor Islam nor Communism" FROM WIKI: In Islamic law the topic of slavery is covered at great length.[1] The Qur'an (the holy book) and the hadith (the sayings of Muhammad) see slavery as an exceptional condition that can be entered into under certain limited circumstances.[2] Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim.
@MaximusArurealius Yes you are probably right (bloody hell after all this time he gets something right). The Quran as well as the Bible condones slavery. After all both books are based on the same god. However, i still want to know in which Islamic countries, slavery is part of official policy. As for Atheism, it says nothing about slavery. Atheism is merely a single point on a single issue.
@pilgrimpater "However, i still want to know in which Islamic countries, slavery is part of official policy" Red Herring, Google it. "As for Atheism, it says nothing about slavery" No but what it did to the people under its communistic rule was and is far worse than anything ever before it.
No red herring. Why are East European Christians running the Sex slave trade in my country? Do you think it's because the sex trade is legal in my country? Now stop running away from yet another question. Please tell me in which Islamic countries slavery is a legal policy. Again, if you don't know just say so.
"No but what it did to the people under its communistic rule "
Orly Taitz: She described her life in a communist nation: Markets were bare, people had no desire to work and the government forced young children into slave labor. Parents were not allowed to homeschool their children. They were forced to enroll them in government schools. From the age of 6, all children were required to become young communists.
"It was constant brainwashing." She continued, "There was no choice, and people resented that. They were scared to speak up." "You had to be an atheist," Taitz said. "No one could go and pray. You weren't allowed to mention any religion. A lot of priests, ministers and rabbis were sent to Siberia, so people were scared. They didn't celebrate any religious holidays; they just didn't exist."
@MaximusArurealius "(state enforced atheism") That's indoctrination and not slavery. Communist workers get salaries, their own homes and leisure time all without being beaten. In fact just like any non communist worker.
The "indoctrination" is far less harmful than that imposed by Christians over the centuries upon indigenous peoples upon the pain of death.
I am so grateful to live in a time and a place whereby i don't have to cow to such indoctrinations.
@pecker, "That's indoctrination and not slavery. Communist workers get salaries, their own homes and leisure time all without being beaten. In fact just like any non communist worker." Is that all you know about atheistic communism (redundancy)? I am sitting here in amazement at your ignorance of the terrors of communism. They murdered more people than all the tyrants in history combined.
@pilgrimpater "The "indoctrination" is far less harmful than that imposed by Christians over the centuries upon indigenous peoples upon the pain of death." You have GOT to be shitting me. You have NO idea of what you're talking about. Communism is the ultimate evil. I am just stunned that you know so little. You need to read some history. Religious people who did harm did it against their religion. The communists on the other hand did it in compliance with theirs.
@MaximusArurealius I'm not here to defend Communism but you are judging communism by the actions of one madman, Stalin. So tell me what part of Das Kapital was he complying (your word) to?
Re Christianity, the Tasmanian Indigenous people totally wiped out (exterminated) by Christian Colonial rulers. Native American children forced to renounce their lanaguage, heritage & religion by English & Christianity. Crusaders slaughtering civilians etc. Harmless? Hell no & all for JC.
@pecker "I'm not here to defend Communism but you are judging communism by the actions of one madman, Stalin" YES you are. ONE madman? Let's list a few, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. etc. They can't do their madman stuff if they don't have plenty of help. BTW communism IS atheism. I didn't say atheism is communism.
@pecker "Crusaders slaughtering civilians etc. Harmless?" You're full of shit. The Crusades are not over. They were doing the same shit then as they are now. The Crusaders should have killed every last one of those bastards.They didn't so WE WILL. AND we will have to in order to survive their tyranny. So shove the Crusades up your ass.
@MaximusArurealius "8. He uses the term "Bible belt" as a scientific argument" He doesn't. He merely points it out as a concentration of gross stupidity.
"10. ALL TIME FAVORITE He called PE "rapid evolution" hahahahahahhaaaa"
@MaximusArurealius Re PE. So if you take a car journey through town to work, sometimes you move slowly when traffic is heavy due to a catastrophic accident and other times you make progress, gradually picking up speed as the roads become clearer. According to your flawed logic, your car journey is impossible. For crying out loud can somebody get me a child of 8 to debate with, as this is becoming tedious.
@pilgrimpater "So if you take a car journey through town to work, sometimes you move slowly when traffic is heavy due to a catastrophic accident and other times you make progress, gradually picking up speed as the roads become clearer. According to your flawed logic, your car journey is impossible." HAR HAR HAR FALSE ANALOGY YA DUMMASS You're right, you do need a child of 8 to debate with. HAR HAR HAR HAR
@MaximusArurealius So why does the car analogy not help you? Tell me rather than just have a hissy fit. Do you not understand the concept of car journeys (you do have electric where you live?)? I was trying my best to give you a "cat sat on the mat"explanation to get the point through but alas to no avail.
@MaximusArurealius "1. He thinks artist drawings are evidence for evolution" He doesn't
"2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't
"3. He doesn't grasp that home schooling exists because of public school failure" It exists because it's a continuation of the brain washing process against the eal world.
4 "4. He thinks frauds such as peer review, carbon dating are real" They are real.
"5. He believes evolution and PE both occur" PE is part of evo
@pecker "It exists because it's a continuation of the brain washing process against the eal world." I can't find anyone who knows what the "eal" world is. Is it your imaginary world where you believe that dumbing down doesn't exist? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
@MaximusArurealius "eal". You can't even pass a simple test. A child of 8 could have worked out that i meant "real" in the context of that sentence. Perhaps you have access to a child of 8 to help you through this.
@pecker ""2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't" THANK YOU for admitting that evolution means things have to get bigger.
@MaximusArurealius """2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't" "THANK YOU for admitting that evolution means things have to get bigger."
Are you really this thick or are you just pretending?
There is no hard and fast rule. Sometimes speciation causes an increase in size, sometimes a reduction and others no change.
What is so difficult to grasp here? This is classic Home Scholling symptons.
@pilgrimpater "There is no hard and fast rule" HAR HAR HAR HAR "This is classic Home Scholling [SIC] symptons." HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
btw dumshit, it's a known fact that the public schools have been dumbed down in order to make little robotized, indoctrinated, knee-jerk platitude spouting puppets out of non-thinkers such as yourself. Home schoolers (notice the spelling) have outstripped public school drones hands down on college entrance exams across the board.
@MaximusArurealius "btw dumshit, it's a known fact that the public schools have been dumbed down in order to make little robotized, indoctrinated, knee-jerk platitude spouting puppets out of non-thinkers such as yourself."
That's exactly the Goebels type propoganda that you recieve from Home Schooling.
That's what has been drummed into your tiny mind since birt and you know no better (it's not really your fault). You are a clone. Get out in the real world and seek the truth.
@pilgrimpater This is why we refer to you as an idiot >>"you can't even get right what i am saying so how the hell are you ever going to understand it?" We do not refer to you or your opinions in the real world that is your error, not ours, as if you are capable of knowledge and we are not. Believing in yourself does not change science.
@jlroberts9914 "Believing in yourself does not change science."
Strange statement. I do believe in myself in that i do definately exist unlike many of the characters from your ancient book.
However, i do tend to trust the professionals especially when they are subject to rigorous peer review. I will take these people everytime over those who want to propogate some bronze age mythology. For crying out loud man this is the 21st century. Do yourself a favour & open that mind.
@jlroberts9914 "Believing in yourself does not change science." AND according to G.K. Chesterton, those who believe in themselves the most are in insane asylums.
@MaximusArurealius No i really believe in myself. I definately exist. I have evidence that i exist but on the other side of the coin that's why i don't believe in any god, messiah, creation story etc i.e. due to lack of evidence.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
The history of science would appear totally different were the book
collection of Alexandria intact today.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
Programs of near-slavery:
United Arab Emirates -- Child trafficking
India, Nepal and Pakistan -- Millions of men, women and children are used as forced and bonded labor in these countries. Most are dalit or from a low caste, or are from indigenous or minority groups. Laws against the caste system and against bonded labor exist but are not enforced.
Indonesia -- Forced labor and exploitation of migrant workers.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "United Arab Emirates -- Child trafficking"
Happens in Western Europe & U.S. Your point is?
"India, Nepal and Pakistan " India & Nepal are not Islamic States.
Here we go again with a quote from YOU:-
"Laws against the caste system and against bonded labor exist but are not enforced."
Let's be honest, real slavery, i.e. working those of a different race to death was not only practiced by Christian countries upto 19th century but endorsed by their laws.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "India, Nepal and Pakistan " India & Nepal are not Islamic States." They aren't Christian.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius ""India, Nepal and Pakistan " India & Nepal are not Islamic States." They aren't Christian. " But Brazil is and so is the U.S.A. but yet again you cannot grasp the simplest of points that none of them have slavery as part of their policy. Do you honestly think that the electorate would vote in a party whose manifesto included a policy of slavery?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
Current incidences of large-scale slavery and near-slavery:
Sudan: There is considerable evidence slavery is still practiced large scale in Sudan -- an estimated 14,000 people have been abducted since 1983. the existence of slavery is denied by the Sudanese government.
Niger: Anti-Slavery International reported in mid-2003 slavery is rampant in Niger. This occurs even though slavery is prohibited by the constitution. Many are born into slavery and will remain slaves all of their life.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "the existence of slavery is denied by the Sudanese government." That's because it is against their law. And here s the funniest bit and i quote from YOU.
"This occurs even though slavery is prohibited by the constitution. "
You haven't even bothered to read or understand the stuff you are copying and pasting because you have made exactly the same point that i have been trying to get you to understand. HAR HAR HAR HAR.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
Islamic Slavery
We have also documented in Faith Under Fire in Sudan, and in the Sudan: The Hidden Holocaust film the ongoing Islamic slavery in Sudan. Anti-slavery organisations have documented the prevalence of slavery in Mauritania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "The Hidden Holocaust film the ongoing Islamic slavery in Sudan. "
This is the trouble with living in the Bible Belt. You don't get to find out what is happening in the big wide world beyond your own door step. The troubles in Sudan are tribal (like so many other African countries) & this polarises into the religions of Islam. Attrocities are committed by both sides but nowhere in Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "This is the trouble with living in the Bible Belt. You don't get to find out what is happening in the big wide world beyond your own door step." OH WAH WAH WAH you liberals always pull this strawman shit. "Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy" That wasn't the issue ya shithead. Go back and read and stop the strawmen, goal post movement, and red herrings. You really are afraid of that test aren't you? I can just see you squirming over it. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius ""Sudanse Law does it state that slavery is a policy" That wasn't the issue ya shithead. "
But it IS the issue yet you are too dim to grasp it. Slavery exists in Sudan (i'll take your word for that) & definitately exists in the USA and Western Europe.
Therefefore Slavery exists in Christian countries (as well as non Christian). Therefore Christianity STILL condones slavery. Now please tell me why you disagree with that statement & you may get the point.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "Therefore Christianity STILL condones slavery" Finally you admit the issue. And as it finally comes out, you're a liar.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "Finally you admit the issue. And as it finally comes out, you're a liar. " No it's all their in the Bible and Sexual Slavery is rife in the highly Christian U.S.A.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
"Indeed, the existence of large pools of political prisoners who worked essentially as slave labour is one of the ugliest revelations of life in the communist countries."
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "Indeed, the existence of large pools of political prisoners who worked essentially as slave labour is one of the ugliest revelations of life in the communist countries." As was the slave labour employed by the Christian Nazi regime in WW2. Tell me. Where are the slaves in communist countries working and on what projects? It's no good spouting slogans you lifted from a christian propoganda site.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
Slavery is legal under Islamic law.
It is said that these countries have slavery:
Brazil
Cote d'Ivoire
Mali
Mauritania
Niger
Sudan
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "It is said that these countries have slavery:"
And this is exactly the point i am trying to get through your thick skull.
All these countries have drugs too and murder and rape but none of these are written as permisible in their law books. btw Brazil is as christian a country you could wish for. Another own goal.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
A Return to Paganism
Those who reject Christianity will in time embrace all of the vices outlawed by Christianity. So we are seeing in this apostate age a resurgence of legalised child killing through abortion, the killing of the aged and infirmed through euthanasia, the legalisation of adultery and polygamy, the legalisation of perversion and prostitution, and a massive resurgence in slavery.
All these evils are the fruits of ATHEISM
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "A Return to Paganism" Do you actually know what Paganism is as it not Atheism. Check out the demographics of the world's beliefs & tell me that Paganism is growing significantly.
Abortion & Euthenasia are not the businness of nosey Christians. Keep the fuck out of other peoples' business. Are you telling me that an entopic pregnancy should be left to murder a mother? Euthenasia allows dignity in death. You know absolutely nothing until you have been there.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Euthenasia allows dignity in death." That's made up bullshit. Tell me what is dignified about it?
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "That's made up bullshit. Tell me what is dignified about it? "
Imagine a man dying of throat cancer. If left unchecked he will die a horrible death by the tumor either bursting or choking him. This could happen any time and the chances are he will die alone and in terrible stress (even if just for a minute). With Euthenasia he could pass peacefully away with dignity while surounded by friends & loved ones. How could you be so cruel to poke your nose in?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Are you telling me that an entopic pregnancy should be left to murder a mother?" Damn, do you know anything? You need to go back to school. It's not considered to be abortion you idiot.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "It's not considered to be abortion you idiot. "
Yet it involves the abortion of a fetus that in theory may have a chance to live at the expense of the mother.
Nobody advocates abortions on demand, it is a serious issue requiring much thought. If a young girl is expecting due to rape then she should have the right to abort. Fundies poke their noses in at pre birth but don't give a damn after. No child should be born to die. Keep out, Nothing to do with you.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "Yet it involves the abortion of a fetus that in theory may have a chance to live at the expense of the mother" It's the removal of a diseased organ that does not involve a direct attack on the infant. It is not considered an abortion. It has to be performed because both will die if not. It is saving a life not not murdering one for the other. There is no direct attack on the personage of the child.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius When first diagnosed, an ectopic pregnancy early in the pregnancy, due to seering pains the fetus (located in a part other than the uterus, usually the fallopian tube) is often alive. The fetus can be removed at an early stage to prevent the mother's life from being under threat. This is an abortion of an often live fetus. How does a creotard deny that this necessary act is an abortion? Deny it's an abortion of course. Then again, that's the creotard way.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "How does a creotard deny that this necessary act is an abortion?" You're pro-abortion. That means you're a baby murderer. You approve of an innocent child's being ripped apart, poisoned and burned with a saline solution, having it twisted about in an unnatural way to suck its brains out, but you're going to bitch that Christian moral theology allows for a procedure where NONE of that happens and one life is saved. You're nothing more than a fucking hypocrite.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
Christian moral theology does not allow for either the mother nor the baby to be physically attacked. The mother has a diseased organ. It is removed. Incidentally the baby is inside of it. It is removed alive. At no time is it ripped apart and murdered. If there is something that can be done for the baby then Christian morals demand that it be done unless it is an extraordinary effort.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "Christian moral theology does not allow for either the mother nor the baby to be physically attacked."
Oh i don't know. Try reading your Bible and learn about god sanctioning banging babies heads against rocks etc or god murdering innocent children in the so called "flood".
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "You're pro-abortion." No i am anti abortion unless there are extenuating circumstances & btw cut out all the ripping apart bullshit because an abortion can occur when the fetus is a mere bunch of cells with no nervous system, no & no brain development. Funny how you defend preserving just a bunch of cells but i bet people like you don't give a stuff about any child after birth. Do you worry as much about the innocent Afghan children killed by U.S. troops?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "If a young girl is expecting due to rape then she should have the right to abort" Wrong. Afterwards they report that they feel as though they've been raped twice. They never get over it. You need to talk to some girls who have had abortions.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pecker "Do you actually know what Paganism is as it not Atheism" Yeah, I know that, but it's not a lot different. Every pagan I ever knew was an atheist first. They are like twin brothers of the same mother. "Abortion & Euthenasia are not the businness of nosey Christians" Protecting the innocent is the business of any human being. You never told me what is dignified about suicide or mercy killing.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
Freedom is a Fruit of Christianity
The abolition of slavery was a fruit of Christianity. However, those who believe that the days of slavery are over are mistaken. As Christians have retreated from social and political arenas, and as nations, which had once been considered Christian, now move into what they term: “The post-Christian era,” we are seeing a resurgence of all those evils.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "The abolition of slavery was a fruit of Christianity."
So you mean after 2K years of promoting slavery they actually acquired a conscience?
"“The post-Christian era,” we are seeing a resurgence of all those evils. "
Yet the great slaving nations in history were the British, Amereicans, Portuguese, Spanish, Germans etc all far mor devoutly Christian than they are today.
Try to underestand what you are reading before you copy and paste.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
JL, pecker boy isn't going to take the test. REMEMBER I told you in the beginning that he was a coward and wouldn't accept the challenge. YOU bet me he would. You lose. I will pm you with my address to send the $100 you owe me. HAR HAR HAR HAR Notice he ran away and will never do it. I told you so. I so love saying "I told you so."
Pecker boy, thanks for making me $100 richer. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "REMEMBER I told you in the beginning that he was a coward and wouldn't accept the challenge. "
But i do. It's just that you are scared shitless of somebody discussing the results.
"Pecker boy, thanks for making me $100 richer."
Yes just think of all those additions you can make to your doll's house or jelly tots you can buy. Or maybe you could even buy a book, perhaps one on science. That would be a novelty.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "But i do. It's just that you are scared shitless of somebody discussing the results" WELL how you gonna prove that until you take the test. HAR HAR HAR HAR
Keep the laughter coming dunce boy, keep the laughter coming.
SELF-PWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "Keep the laughter coming dunce boy, keep the laughter coming."
Don't worry. I laugh at every excuse and failure of yours to enter an open debate on this thread.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "Don't worry. I laugh at every excuse and failure of yours to enter an open debate on this thread" Dummass, you're laughing? Here we are IN an open debate and you're laughing. HAR HAR HAR HAR you idiot. AND don't tell me about excuses when YOU have the test and all you have to do is answer the questions to raise your score. You're just a coward so shut up and go away.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "Dummass, you're laughing? Here we are IN an open debate and you're laughing."
I make the arguments and all you have in your tank is HARs. Hardly a debate is it? In fact it's all a bit one way. Still always look on the bright side of life, as you are $100 to the good (allegedly).
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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ATTENTION.
UPDATED WARNING. I NEVER took the test of Maximumarse because he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers. I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement.
Weeks ago i asked Maximumarse ONE question with an opportunity to answer it right here on this video for all to see. He/she/it has failed miserably to address this question, unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater Attention! Ultimatum.
I have taken the test. It is a simple dumbed down test to test one's understanding of evolution. It is not a test on creation. Anyone with even a basic knowledge of the theory of evolution can take the test and receive a decent score. Pilgrimpater is scared that he may be found out for the loser that he is, he has refused to accept the challenge. His constant obfuscation and attempts at damage control by reverting back to our answers expose him.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
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@jlroberts9914 "I have taken the test. It is a simple dumbed down test to test one's understanding of evolution. "
Yet you have clearly demonstrated on this thread that you don't have the faintest idea of even the basics of evolution. So, you have just demonstrated exactly why the test is of absolutely no value beyond maybe a bit of amusement.
I REPEAT, let's discuss each question one at a time. What are you so scared of? Oh yeah, of course. I will expose the test as useless.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
ATTENTION FOLKS PUBLIC NOTICE
The moron who calls himself pilgrim has received a ZERO for his test score. He was unable to answer a single question. NOT ONE. Now all you're going to hear from him is whining, bitching, and bellyaching. He's a fraud and knows nothing about evolution. PERIOD
He couldn't even answer #5 the give-away question everyone gets right. "When did the first fish crawl out of the ocean and become a tomato plant?" You have got to be a dunce not to get that one. HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius ATTENTION.
UPDATED WARNING. I NEVER took the test of Maximumarse because he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers. I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement.
Weeks ago i asked Maximumarse ONE question with an opportunity to answer it right here on this video for all to see. He/she/it has failed miserably to address this question, unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpecker HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR When you agreed to take the test I made it plain to you that if you don't answer the questions you fail. You didn't answer them and after several warnings I awarded you a failing grade of ZERO. That's the way it works in any testing situation. Have you even been to college?
Unless he takes the test and submits his answers to me in a pm his score REMAINS ZERO
EPIC FAIL WITH NO CREDIBILITY
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "That's the way it works in any testing situation. "
I have never taken a test in fixing cars but i can fix many things on a car. I've never taken a test on cooking but i can cook.
Do you honestly think i give a stuff about your predermined score?
Is there no end to your stupidity?
Anyhow glad to see that you have honoured our initial agreement to discuss one at a time.
And when will you answer that ONE question you have been ignoring for so many weeks?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "I have never taken a test in fixing cars but i can fix many things on a car" And who is going to pay you to work on their car? ANSWER: nobody. Fixing the mirror or changing a tire doesn't make you an auto mechanic. Or mean that you even know what a piston rod is. AND cooking? are you a cook? Where? MacDonald's? hahahahaha
"Anyhow glad to see that you have honoured our initial agreement to discuss one at a time." hahaha good try asshole, but no banana! FAIL
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "And who is going to pay you to work on their car? " People have but yes of course it doesn't make me a mechanic and of course there are many jobs i would not take on (espicialy modern cars).
Seriously, you know nothing of the basics of evolution so you are in no position to mark scores but you are in a position to exchange views so why don't you? Tell me. If you think you have the answers can you reference them back to any evolutionary scientific papers?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Tell me. If you think you have the answers can you reference them back to any evolutionary scientific papers?" HEY DUMMASS, none of the answers are so difficult as to need referencing. ARE YOU THAT STUPID? ALL you're doing right now is proving I am right about you and that you know jack shit about evolution.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pilgrimpecker "I DO want to take the test BUT in an open forum right here where ALL can see & make their judgement" That isn't the way it works and it's too late for YOU to be dictating the rules of the test. It's MY TEST and MY RULES.
IS this the way you dealt with test failure in school? Crying and bawling and attempting negotiations? NO WONDER you're a stupid brainwashed evotard.
TEST SCORE = 0 (and remains that until you complete the test)
PWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pilgrimpecker, What a mealy-mouthed sniveling coward you are. I can't believe you showed your face back in here again. AND GET THIS "unlike myself who relishes his questions in open debate" OH bullshit. A test is NOT an open debate. AND then "he is not qulaified to judge the validity of the answers" APPARENTLY you don't feel that you know the material well enough to defend your answers. What's funny is they are very simple questions and need very little verbiage to answer them.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "What a mealy-mouthed sniveling coward you are. "
I've never been afarid of stupidity and ignorance. I feel it my duty to confront it.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
And don't worry dummass. If you EVER can muster the courage to accomplish the test your answers WILL be posted here. Then you can discuss them. You're the first one (out of at least 20 people) who has cried and moaned all over Hell's Half Acre, obfuscating and dodging and trying to squirm out of taking my simple evolution pop quiz. HAVE YOU BEEN TO COLLEGE? Are you still in high school? I have never in my life seen such disgusting behavior before.
TEST SCORE = 0
PWNED YOU LOSE
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "And don't worry dummass. If you EVER can muster the courage to accomplish the test your answers WILL be posted here. Then you can discuss them."
Hooray, a step in the right direction but first let's have your answer to the question that i sent you many weeks ago.
If you don't know the answer then just say so. It won't kill you to admit you don't know.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
JL, guess what? pilgrim said he'd take my test but when I sent it to him he cried and bawled and made all sorts of excuses as to why he can't just answer the questions and return it. I think it scared him. He really doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He's been dumbed down and brainwashed in the public school pig trough. He's basically just a coward. You should just ignore his bullshit from here on out. He couldn't answer the first question and is the first person to receive a zero.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius What was his answer to "the two requirements(as laid down by evolutionists) to prove evolution true?" I think everyone should see that one.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 He didn't answer anything. He's too afraid. He knows that he will be exposed as a fraud, but guess what? He is anyway since he can't answer.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 He's hiding out now. We probably won't hear from him again. He's afraid of my test. If he ever get's the balls he's going to be the first person to miss #5. hahahahaha
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "He's hiding out now. We probably won't hear from him again."
Nope you won't get rid of me tard. I won't let you get away with your unashamed cowardice. I might not wastre my time respionding everyday but i will let you get away with nothing.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Nope you won't get rid of me tard" hahahaha reverse psychology works every time with dummies like you. hahahaha "cowardice?" hahahaha HAR HAR HAR I challenged you with a test and now you fucking around and weasling out of it. How does that make ME the coward?
FAIL AGAIN
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "I challenged you with a test and now you fucking around and weasling out of it. How does that make ME the coward?"
You're the coward because you now realise you don't have control of your meaningless test. Honestly Laws of Thermodynamics vs Evolution. You kidding? Do you know these Laws? You obviously know nothing of evo so how can you associate the two? Can you cite references to your answers?
Fancy giving me the names of the other 15 and their scores?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@jlroberts9914 "What was his answer to "the two requirements(as laid down by evolutionists) to prove evolution true?" "
Yes everyone should indeed see that one because Maximumarse won't be able to show you that one because i did not answer that question.
I'm afarid you've drop him/her/it in the shit here. I wonder how he/she/it will squirm out of that one.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater That is a non-answer because you do not know the answer. If you are intimidated then don't say Max is squirming, we see right through that horse shit.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
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@jlroberts9914 "If you are intimidated then don't say Max is squirming,"
LOL, do i look as if i am squirming dealing with you two bozos?
Nah, he is scared shitless of discussing each of his so call evolution questions and even more scared of answering anything that i propose to him/she/it.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "JL, guess what? pilgrim said he'd take my test but when I sent it to him he cried and bawled and made all sorts of excuses as to why he can't just answer the questions and return it. "
Oh dear my lying little tard friend. Don't forget that i have previous experience of dealing with creotards and as a result i have screen prints of all our pm exchanges.
Be careful as to the lies you tell.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater From what I see here you are making more excuses and your failure to arise to the challenge leaves you a big fat 0.
Damage control by exclaiming your experience with creotards only exposes you for the coward that you are, it is no affect upon a believer in creation.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
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@jlroberts9914 "From what I see here you are making more excuses and your failure to arise to the challenge leaves you a big fat 0."
Nope, my original offer is still on. Tell you what. Since Maximumarse is so scared of discussing each point then why don't you give it your best shot?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius JL guess what. I didn't agree to take the test. I agreed to take the test one question at a time via the comments of this video but Maximarese has chickened out of that one because he loses control of the predermined outcome.
Don't believe me? I have copies of all the conversations between us.
And this is the same clown that cannot answer ONE simple question that i posed weeks ago.
Aren't you embarassed by having such a clown on your side?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@bilgepater 1) The test has been taken by at least 15 people. You are the one who should be embarrassed, you are exposing your cowardice. Attempting reverse psychology (refer to #2) in this open forum will be seen for what it is to every passerby.
2) If this question that you are referring to is the same ole fossil sequence question, we have both answered it repeatedly. Just because you do not like our answers and quotes does nothing.
3) The test is about evolution not creation.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 1) "The test has been taken by at least 15 people. ". So what? I refuse to take a test on evolution when the person marking it has absolutely no knowledge of evolution. However, from day ONE, i have openly agreed to debate each one in turn but unfortunatley for you cowards that would mean you couldn't massage the score. Shame.
2) Oh yes some crap about birds fleeing the flood which i exposed as utter bolloocks. Was that it?
3) Not all questions are about evolution.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "I refuse to take a test on evolution when the person marking it has absolutely no knowledge of evolution" We're not here to find out my knowledge but yours. I know more than any evotard I have ever talked to. I have even pwned PhDs who just got embarrassed and ran away. It's the dummies like you who think they know something that are the problem. The educate ones know that I am right.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "We're not here to find out my knowledge but yours."
But that knowledge can't be ascertained when the person who is marking doesn't have a clue about the subject of the test. I'd be better off with a chimpanzee doing the scoring.
"I have even pwned PhDs who just got embarrassed and ran away." Absolute confirmation of what a joke you are. Haven't you considered that every time they pwned you that they may have got fed up with HAR HAR as the only response?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Oh yes some crap about birds fleeing the flood which i exposed as utter bolloocks. Was that it?" I never mentioned the flood. And that wouldn't be on an evolution test ya moron. So far you haven't exposed anything. That's the problem.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "I never mentioned the flood."
In fact you have not mentioned anything regards that question which you were set oh so long ago. As i said, if you don't know then just say so but don't ignore it.
Btw what flood? I have no knowledge of any flood. When did it occur and how extensive was it?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "However, from day ONE, i have openly agreed to debate each one in turn but unfortunatley for you cowards that would mean you couldn't massage the score. Shame." HAR HAR HAR More crying and bawling and rationalizing. You can openly debate AFTER THE TEST not before moron. I think all you're doing is biding your time and trying to google the answers. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR btw nobody has EVER claimed that I massaged the score. Now cry and whine some more ya coward.
FAIL
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "You can openly debate AFTER THE TEST "
OK I reply here, one question at a time via the comments with my answer. You give me what you think is the answer & we take it from there. I can't be fairer than that but i think it would make you look less of a snivelling coward if we started with the question that was set for you so long ago. So what's your answer? Sort that out then we can start your questions one at a time. At this stage you reek of hypocricy.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, HERE'S WHAT I SAID "If we're going to continue discussing this with you, you're going to need to prove you know something about evolution. I have a simple 15 question Pop Quiz for you. Are you ready to take it? If so I will send it in a PM. As soon as I send it the test begins." I don't send my test to someone who doesn't agree to take it. You did. I sent it. Do you have proof that I agreed to a change in the rules? No you don't so quit whining like a little baby and do it dummass.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "Are you ready to take it?" Yes one at a time right here on this thread. You & your fellow clown have demonstrated that you don't even know the basics of evolution & in absolutely no position to ascertain whether an answer is correct or not. You are in no position to mark it. However, you are in a position to ask and then discuss it. So what is stopping you? And you STILL haven't answered my ONE question. I 'm smelling something redolent of BS here.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "in absolutely no position to ascertain whether an answer is correct or not. You are in no position to mark it" OH REALLY? I see you're still crying and bawling. haha ha You can always point that out. You act like there's no chance to do that. "I 'm smelling something redolent of BS here" No you're not, you're just dodging the whole thing because you don't want to be exposed. wah wah wah
It's all a moot point anyway. Your TEST SCORE IS ZERO until you follow the rules.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "OH REALLY? "
Yes OH REALLY. I have amply demonstrated on this thread that you know absolutely bugger all about evolution. In most cases you can't even reach the 1st level of apologies before resorting to rather childish HAR HAR.
"our TEST SCORE IS ZERO until you follow the rules. "
I won't be able to sleep tonight.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "I have amply demonstrated on this thread that you know absolutely bugger all about evolution" I must have missed that part. So far all you have proven is that YOU don't know anything about evolution and that you're a coward.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "I must have missed that part."
Not really. If you've nothing in the first place then how can you miss part of nothing?
"So far all you have proven is that YOU don't know anything about evolution "
Yet i ask you one simple question (the answer is easy) that you continue to run away from. Trust me, you know diddly squat about evolution. Like all creotards you think you know but your version is a world away from the reality of what evolution really states.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker said, "I won't be able to sleep tonight." This was in reply to the fact that his TEST SCORE is ZERO that's quite an embarrassing admission pecker. Try not to worry too much about it. We'll get you through it after you take the test.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pecker, "because he loses control of the predermined outcome" HAR HAR HAR you're scared aren't you? hahahahaha that's funny. You big pussy. hahahahahhaa What's to lose. AS OF YESTERDAY TEST SCORE = 0
You have nothing to lose and you might win. Who knows. btw if it is a predetermined outcome you will certainly be the winner now won't you? But as of yesterday TEST SCORE = ZERO
FAIL
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "TEST SCORE = ZERO"
Test not taken. Zero score is impossible.
Test taken by Maximumarse of ONE question by PP.
Cannot even begin to muster an answer. Now THAT is zero and fail.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Test not taken. Zero score is impossible" OH REALLY? HAHAHA you haven't been to college have you? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
PWNED my sides are splitting and I am falling out of my chair. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it." *H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin 31 (1980), p. 138.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 ""A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin 31 (1980), p. 138."
Wow another minority view and as recent as 1980.
What a compelling argument, not.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater WOW! Another appeal to the now obviously dishonest "ad majorum" "ad populum" and an appeal to it's too old. Darwin's originally dishonest theory is accepted by a few idiots even though it is well due the for the it's old argument.
I also notice you did not make any counter argument against Lipson's statement at all. Afraid you may demonstrate your ignorance even further?
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 If you can possibly tell me why Lipson should think creation as "the only acceptable explanation" then i would be more than happy to expose the flaws in such a statement.
As usual you fail to grasp any point. I have never said that the majority view is necessarily correct but the onus is on minority view to overturn the majority with some actual evidence just like Darwin etc did to the centuries old myth of creationism. Until then you are appealing to "ad minorum"
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater "just like Darwin etc did to the centuries old myth" HA HA
This is 2012, we have enough scientific data from this and the last century to expose Darwin for the perverted racist that he was and he was an unlearned man who turned his back on his faith. He is a no one in this century but you can continue to worship his ignorance for the rest of your life. You are free to do so.
jlroberts9914 1 month ago
@jlroberts9914 "expose Darwin for the perverted racist "
A baseless ad hom. It was Darwin who fell out with the deeply Christian Fitzroy over slavery which the latter endorsed and Darwin abhorred. Slavery flourished for centuries under a Christian/Creationist society before it was abolished by society maturing. Even IF Darwin was a racist, it woulodn't detract in any way from his great scientific works.
Nobody worships Darwin. He was just a scientist who helped banish mythology.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "Slavery flourished for centuries under a Christian/Creationist society before it was abolished by society maturing" You don't know anymore about history than you do about evolution which so far is ZERO. 1. You're too stupid to understand U.S. history is NOT world history. Christianity banished slavery in many countries before the U.S. did.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "1. You're too stupid to understand U.S. history is NOT world history. " So the slavers didn't have churches on the plantations? Are you sure you know your own history? Just look at the remnants as exhibited by the KKK & IKA who are staunchly anti non white & staunchly Baptist.
"Christianity banished slavery in many countries before the U.S. did" Nothing to do with Christianity. It was society. We had 1900 years of Christian rule supporting slavery.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Nothing to do with Christianity. It was society" HAR HAR HAR HAR
Society was Christian you dummy.
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
"Baptist." HAR HAR HAR you call that Christianity? The only difference between an atheist and a Baptist is, an athiest hates the God he doesn't believe in while the Baptist hates the God he does believe in.
FAIL
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "Society was Christian you dummy."
So why did it take 2000 years of Christian society and Christian slavers to relaise that what they were doing was probably wrong? Obviously the bible is not clear a document but wait, it is. It actually supports slavery.
"an athiest hates the God he doesn't believe in" Wrong. An Atheist hates god(s)/godesses(s) no more or no less than he does fairies.
Baptists hate god? Yet another retarded comment from MaximumArse.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, 2. It was Christianity that abolished slavery in the U.S. not some dumb atheist movement. CHRISTIANITY is the ONLY ideology that banished slavery EVER. Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world. Atheism has never come out against slavery.
SCHOOLED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "2. It was Christianity that abolished slavery in the U.S. not some dumb atheist movement. " It was society not Christians or are you saying that Christians in the North & South have a different Christianity?
"CHRISTIANITY is the ONLY ideology that banished slavery EVER." You've never read the bible then.
"Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world." So, name the nations who have slavery as part of their doctrine.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "So, name the nations who have slavery as part of their doctrine"
HAR HAR HAR nations don't have doctrine you nitwit. That's religion.
Are you sure you know anything?
PWNED AGAIN
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "HAR HAR HAR nations don't have doctrine you nitwit."
You really will have to stop overdosing on those "stupid" pills. OK if you don't like the word "doctrine" then please back up your previous ridiculous assertion that some nations have a constitution that supports slavery. Don't play with words, just tell vindicate your claim that some nations have slavery as part of their consitution.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, please quote me saying "some nations have a constitution that supports slavery." Go find it or I'm calling your a liar.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius This is what you wrote. "Even today slavery prospers in the the non-Christian and atheist world. "
OK if you don't like the words doctrine & constitution let's have your examples of "slavery in the non-Christian and atheist world". Give me examples where it is policy to allow slavery in the non-christian & atheist world. Don't give me examples of slavery that goes against the policy because you must then include Christian countries. Squirming again loser.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, SOOoooo you lied about my having said anything about nations with constitutions supporting slavery and so NOW you're moving the goal posts and attempting to set things in your favor again. According to YOU there is NO SLAVERY in the world. HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "SOOoooo you lied about my having said anything about nations with constitutions supporting slavery "
Then the bozo goes on to give me a list of countries where he claims slavery is rife. As usual far too dim to grasp the point. Slavery IS rife but so are drugs yet both are against the law. Sexual slavery is rife in the U.S. & the U.K. despite being against the law and correct me if i'm wrong but aren't these, especially the U.S., christian countries?
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "Slavery IS rife but so are drugs yet both are against the law" We're talking about slavery, not drugs you ninny. Still trying to get out of taking the test aren't you? TEST SCORE == ZERO
FAILURE
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "We're talking about slavery, not drugs you ninny."
WE are indeed but i have to use analogies to penetrate that extremely thick skull of your. I won't give up on you. I'm determined to get you to start thinking for yourself rather than being spoon fed baseless propoganda.
Btw how is your homework coming along? Late again. As i said, if you don't know then just say so. I am more than willing to help you out with answer.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "I'm determined to get you to start thinking for yourself rather than being spoon fed baseless propoganda" HAR HAR HAR HAR sorry dummass but you're the one who believes in that ridiculous, silly-assed hypothesis called evolution. HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "silly-assed hypothesis called evolution. "
You mean the volution that the scientific community fully supports. I think you will find you are out on a limb on that one sunshine.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater ""SOOoooo you lied about my having said anything about nations with constitutions supporting slavery "" You still lied.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "You still lied. "
No i didn't. You are the one who claimed that Atheists and Moslems were involved in Slavery. You implied that Christians were not yet they clearly are. It seems slavery transcends all belief systems. So back to square one. Please justify your statement and i will give you examples of slavery in Christian countries.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@MaximusArse Further to your baseless assumption then how come every Atheist i know & on YT abhors slavery? How come Darwin abhored slavery but his devout Christian companion, Captain Fitzroy, supported the practice? How come plantation owners were deeply Christian (using the lame excuse that blacks bore the Mark of Cain)? How come the deeply Christian KKK was born out of frustration at the abolition of slavery? No getting away from it, Christians are as guilty as anyone.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker, "Christians are as guilty as anyone" Again you're a liar. 1. I don't know of any Christians who own slaves or approve of it. 2. No place is slavery permitted in Christian moral theology.
PWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "1. I don't know of any Christians who own slaves or approve of it."
So those operate the sex slave trade (and drugs) are not Christians? You are one naive fool.
"2. No place is slavery permitted in Christian moral theology."
Well apart from the Bible. No place is slavery permitted by Atheism nor Islam nor Communism. Which brings me back to my original point. So you got there in the end but by going the long route have made yourself look an utter fool.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pecker "No place is slavery permitted by Atheism nor Islam nor Communism" FROM WIKI: In Islamic law the topic of slavery is covered at great length.[1] The Qur'an (the holy book) and the hadith (the sayings of Muhammad) see slavery as an exceptional condition that can be entered into under certain limited circumstances.[2] Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim.
PWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius Yes you are probably right (bloody hell after all this time he gets something right). The Quran as well as the Bible condones slavery. After all both books are based on the same god. However, i still want to know in which Islamic countries, slavery is part of official policy. As for Atheism, it says nothing about slavery. Atheism is merely a single point on a single issue.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater "However, i still want to know in which Islamic countries, slavery is part of official policy" Red Herring, Google it. "As for Atheism, it says nothing about slavery" No but what it did to the people under its communistic rule was and is far worse than anything ever before it.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "Red Herring, Google it."
No red herring. Why are East European Christians running the Sex slave trade in my country? Do you think it's because the sex trade is legal in my country? Now stop running away from yet another question. Please tell me in which Islamic countries slavery is a legal policy. Again, if you don't know just say so.
"No but what it did to the people under its communistic rule "
a) Pure baseless speculation
b) Atheists are not communists
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@pecker "No red herring." Yes, red herring. You're only putting up a smoke screen because you dont' have the balls to take my test.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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Orly Taitz: She described her life in a communist nation: Markets were bare, people had no desire to work and the government forced young children into slave labor. Parents were not allowed to homeschool their children. They were forced to enroll them in government schools. From the age of 6, all children were required to become young communists.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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"It was constant brainwashing." She continued, "There was no choice, and people resented that. They were scared to speak up." "You had to be an atheist," Taitz said. "No one could go and pray. You weren't allowed to mention any religion. A lot of priests, ministers and rabbis were sent to Siberia, so people were scared. They didn't celebrate any religious holidays; they just didn't exist."
NOW LIE SOME MORE FOR COMMUNISM
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pecker, now tell me what is NOT slavery under communism (state enforced atheism)?
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "(state enforced atheism") That's indoctrination and not slavery. Communist workers get salaries, their own homes and leisure time all without being beaten. In fact just like any non communist worker.
The "indoctrination" is far less harmful than that imposed by Christians over the centuries upon indigenous peoples upon the pain of death.
I am so grateful to live in a time and a place whereby i don't have to cow to such indoctrinations.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@pecker, "That's indoctrination and not slavery. Communist workers get salaries, their own homes and leisure time all without being beaten. In fact just like any non communist worker." Is that all you know about atheistic communism (redundancy)? I am sitting here in amazement at your ignorance of the terrors of communism. They murdered more people than all the tyrants in history combined.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater "The "indoctrination" is far less harmful than that imposed by Christians over the centuries upon indigenous peoples upon the pain of death." You have GOT to be shitting me. You have NO idea of what you're talking about. Communism is the ultimate evil. I am just stunned that you know so little. You need to read some history. Religious people who did harm did it against their religion. The communists on the other hand did it in compliance with theirs.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius I'm not here to defend Communism but you are judging communism by the actions of one madman, Stalin. So tell me what part of Das Kapital was he complying (your word) to?
Re Christianity, the Tasmanian Indigenous people totally wiped out (exterminated) by Christian Colonial rulers. Native American children forced to renounce their lanaguage, heritage & religion by English & Christianity. Crusaders slaughtering civilians etc. Harmless? Hell no & all for JC.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@pecker "I'm not here to defend Communism but you are judging communism by the actions of one madman, Stalin" YES you are. ONE madman? Let's list a few, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. etc. They can't do their madman stuff if they don't have plenty of help. BTW communism IS atheism. I didn't say atheism is communism.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
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@pecker "Crusaders slaughtering civilians etc. Harmless?" You're full of shit. The Crusades are not over. They were doing the same shit then as they are now. The Crusaders should have killed every last one of those bastards.They didn't so WE WILL. AND we will have to in order to survive their tyranny. So shove the Crusades up your ass.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
ATTENTION JLRoberts. I just pwned him for two pages. HAR HAR HAR HAR
Here are some choice highlights.
1. He thinks artist drawings are evidence for evolution
2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller
3. He doesn't grasp that home schooling exists because of public school failure
4. He thinks frauds such as peer review, carbon dating are real
5. He believes evolution and PE both occur
6. He thinks birds are dinosaurs
7. He believes ad populum opinion is a scientific tool
cont.
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago 2
8. He uses the term "Bible belt" as a scientific argument
9. He thinks yelling "quote mine" automatically destroys his opponents arguments
10. ALL TIME FAVORITE He called PE "rapid evolution" hahahahahahhaaaa
I OWN HIM! HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
@MaximusArurealius "8. He uses the term "Bible belt" as a scientific argument" He doesn't. He merely points it out as a concentration of gross stupidity.
"10. ALL TIME FAVORITE He called PE "rapid evolution" hahahahahahhaaaa"
Because that's how Gould describes PE.
"I OWN HIM! HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR"
When was that? I must have blinked.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pilgrimpater "10. ALL TIME FAVORITE He called PE "rapid evolution" hahahahahahhaaaa" Because that's how Gould describes PE.
"I OWN HIM! When was that? I must have blinked."
You went to take a shit and your mind went blank.
Back to "rapid evolution" HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR ROFL ROFL that just goes to show you have damn stupid your are. hahahahahahahahhahaaa
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
@MaximusArurealius Re PE. So if you take a car journey through town to work, sometimes you move slowly when traffic is heavy due to a catastrophic accident and other times you make progress, gradually picking up speed as the roads become clearer. According to your flawed logic, your car journey is impossible. For crying out loud can somebody get me a child of 8 to debate with, as this is becoming tedious.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pilgrimpater "So if you take a car journey through town to work, sometimes you move slowly when traffic is heavy due to a catastrophic accident and other times you make progress, gradually picking up speed as the roads become clearer. According to your flawed logic, your car journey is impossible." HAR HAR HAR FALSE ANALOGY YA DUMMASS You're right, you do need a child of 8 to debate with. HAR HAR HAR HAR
IDIOT POWNED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius So why does the car analogy not help you? Tell me rather than just have a hissy fit. Do you not understand the concept of car journeys (you do have electric where you live?)? I was trying my best to give you a "cat sat on the mat"explanation to get the point through but alas to no avail.
Try again.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "1. He thinks artist drawings are evidence for evolution" He doesn't
"2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't
"3. He doesn't grasp that home schooling exists because of public school failure" It exists because it's a continuation of the brain washing process against the eal world.
4 "4. He thinks frauds such as peer review, carbon dating are real" They are real.
"5. He believes evolution and PE both occur" PE is part of evo
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pecker "4. He thinks frauds such as peer review, carbon dating are real" They are real."
THANK YOU FOR PROVING ME CORRECT
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
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@MaximusArurealius
""4. He thinks frauds such as peer review, carbon dating are real" "
And i explained to you why it is a valid dating method. Surely you should respond to that point rathere than childishly repeat the original slogan.
Btw, what dating methods are available to creationism? Ooops, i forgot. There are none.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pecker ""1. He thinks artist drawings are evidence for evolution" He doesn't" Yeah you do. RE: Nebraska Man and Whale evolution. hahahahahaha
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
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@MaximusArurealius """1. He thinks artist drawings are evidence for evolution" He doesn't" "
NO i don't. I explained why yet again, you are so stuck you repeat your original baseless claim.
Fyi, it wasn't evolutionists who drew Nebraska Man but a journalist in a French Magazine.
So many idiots, so little time.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pecker "It exists because it's a continuation of the brain washing process against the eal world." I can't find anyone who knows what the "eal" world is. Is it your imaginary world where you believe that dumbing down doesn't exist? HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
@MaximusArurealius "eal". You can't even pass a simple test. A child of 8 could have worked out that i meant "real" in the context of that sentence. Perhaps you have access to a child of 8 to help you through this.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pilgrimpater ""eal". You can't even pass a simple test." hahahahahhaa I'm not the illiterate asshole who can't type or spell. HAR HAR HAR HAR
YOU LOSE ASSHOLE
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pecker ""2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't" THANK YOU for admitting that evolution means things have to get bigger.
MaximusArurealius 2 months ago
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@MaximusArurealius """2. He thinks evolution means things are getting smaller" He doesn't" "THANK YOU for admitting that evolution means things have to get bigger."
Are you really this thick or are you just pretending?
There is no hard and fast rule. Sometimes speciation causes an increase in size, sometimes a reduction and others no change.
What is so difficult to grasp here? This is classic Home Scholling symptons.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pilgrimpater "There is no hard and fast rule" HAR HAR HAR HAR "This is classic Home Scholling [SIC] symptons." HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
btw dumshit, it's a known fact that the public schools have been dumbed down in order to make little robotized, indoctrinated, knee-jerk platitude spouting puppets out of non-thinkers such as yourself. Home schoolers (notice the spelling) have outstripped public school drones hands down on college entrance exams across the board.
SCHOOLED
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius "btw dumshit, it's a known fact that the public schools have been dumbed down in order to make little robotized, indoctrinated, knee-jerk platitude spouting puppets out of non-thinkers such as yourself."
That's exactly the Goebels type propoganda that you recieve from Home Schooling.
That's what has been drummed into your tiny mind since birt and you know no better (it's not really your fault). You are a clone. Get out in the real world and seek the truth.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
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@MaximusArurealius "6. He thinks birds are dinosaurs" He doesn't
"7. He believes ad populum opinion is a scientific tool" He doesn't.
7 statements and quite a few lies. Hell man you can't even get right what i am saying so how the hell are you ever going to understand it?
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@pilgrimpater This is why we refer to you as an idiot >>"you can't even get right what i am saying so how the hell are you ever going to understand it?" We do not refer to you or your opinions in the real world that is your error, not ours, as if you are capable of knowledge and we are not. Believing in yourself does not change science.
jlroberts9914 2 months ago
@jlroberts9914 "Believing in yourself does not change science."
Strange statement. I do believe in myself in that i do definately exist unlike many of the characters from your ancient book.
However, i do tend to trust the professionals especially when they are subject to rigorous peer review. I will take these people everytime over those who want to propogate some bronze age mythology. For crying out loud man this is the 21st century. Do yourself a favour & open that mind.
pilgrimpater 2 months ago
@jlroberts9914 "Believing in yourself does not change science." AND according to G.K. Chesterton, those who believe in themselves the most are in insane asylums.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@MaximusArurealius No i really believe in myself. I definately exist. I have evidence that i exist but on the other side of the coin that's why i don't believe in any god, messiah, creation story etc i.e. due to lack of evidence.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
@adlepater "No i really believe in myself. I definately exist." I don't see any evidence that you exist. It's all in your own fantasy.
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@adlepater "i don't believe in any god, messiah, creation story etc i.e. due to lack of evidence" What kind of evidence would suit you?
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago
@pilgrimpater "No i really believe in myself. I definately exist." I don't think so. You completely failed the test with TEST SCORE = 0
YOU ARE COMPLETELY EXPOSED AS A FRAUD
MaximusArurealius 1 month ago