@FalseFlag369 - Yes, there was operation paperclip to smuggle Nazi intel agents to the west....they had a LOT of important data and concepts after all their experiments on mind control, torture, etc...it was a way for the Nazi's to keep their ideals alive...may not win the battle...or the war...but win the effort..(?). As for splintering the CIA....that was pinned on JFK, but he just wanted to re-Org and have CIA accountable, as intel is important (and JFK was in the ONI for a time after PT 109)
(more)...so, JFK installed Bobby as his interface with the CIA...RFK went to Langley most days on his way into DC from his McLean Virginia home. He took DIRECT control of future efforts to overthrow Castro. McCone was a weak replacement for Dulles (intentionally) and McCone felt there were 2 shooters in Dallas. It was probably a combination of "older" CIA rogues (Dulles & GHW Bush included), Mafia & Cuban exiles who took out JFK. Good details in "Brothers" by Talbot.
@FalseFlag369 - We're on the same wavelength. Ike was a very good man & the best thing for us at that time. Nixon was a dark evil empire agent hiding in the shadows. He was DEEPLY connected with the Mafia & big oil, as was Hoover & Dulles. When the Kennedys got into the "core" workings of the Executive Branch, a LOT of crap became evident. The CIA was the tail wagging the dog - doing whatever "it" wanted without oversight by the Prez! It wasn't JFK who screwed up the Bay of Pigs, it was the CIA.
@FalseFlag369 - The thing about the bullets is that ZERO bullets that were fired at JFK or Connally were actually presented into evidence....NONE. The "magic bullet" was an OBVIOUS plant for coverup & to match it to the patsy's Carcano rifle...it was a sample fired from that rifle PRIOR to the event, as just one of the important details of that rogue black op....although, it really wasn't as "rogue" as we might think. Nearly everyone around JFK wanted him OUT, so he was "difficult to protect".
@Tomaji69 - I used that phrase "JFK had become difficult to protect" because that was a buzz phrase going around some of the Intel quarters for months prior to the execution by firing squad. My father mentioned that a couple of times BEFORE the event and he worked at the Army Intelligence school in Baltimore. I was 14 when all this went down and I intuitively felt it was LBJ right away and I KNEW Oswald was gonna get silenced BEFORE it happened.
@Tomaji69 - I say "Execution by firing squad" because under military procedures (and the Prez is ALSO in the military, don't forget), if your commander is not carrying out "the mission", then the next in command has the DUTY to ask him to step down...and if he refuses, then it is the duty of those below him to consult and, if necessary, to execute him by firing squad if he refuses to step down. That's the law in the military trenches anyway. The military "mission" was Eisenhower's - Vietnam.
@FalseFlag369 - The attendant who took JFK out of the coffin at Bethesda said there weren't any brains, so they were always "missing" (as in blown out). The missing evidence you refer to is just one of a long list...yeah, a bullet hit the curb..and one hit the windshield, and one hit Connally and THREE hit JFK and the first one missed altogether...wow, Oswald must have been using a machine gun!! The cleaning of the limo (the crime scene) is obvious coverup evidence! Should be untouched today!!
@FalseFlag369 - Onassis was ruthless...beat his wives and he hated the Kennedys, especially Bobby. Read "Nemisis" by Evans....amazing stuff. Onassis was banging Lee Randziwill (Jackie's SISTER) and then he's banging Jackie. Lee invited him, at Jackie's request, to the Kennedy family dinner after the JFK funeral on 11/25/63 in the White House. Bobby was REAL surprised to see him there!!
@FalseFlag369 - There was a (head shot) bullet picked up by a "suit" just past the curb in the infield area, right where a bullet from the picket fence could end up after slowing down when passing through JFK's brain. This was captured on film by a newsman. Also, the missing films shot by bystanders...one from the infield area and one from right in front of the picket fence shooter by a visiting Canadian. He reappeared just a few years ago to tell his tale of a "suit" taking it away from him.
@FalseFlag369 - I will read that....I also recommend to read "Brothers" (Talbot); "Legacy of Secrecy" (Waldron/Hartman); "Nemisis" (about Onassis) by Evans; and "Conspiracy" (Smith)....there is a TON of evidence (and missing evidence) of conspiracy...has anyone compiled a recent collection of such? Mack Wallace's fingerprints on the boxes, for example (and the FBI denying it was a match, when is was!!)....and the justice dept. NOT investigating JFK's murder when the HSCA asked them to!!
We see from the WC Report here, that the route straight through Dealey Plaza on Main Street was easy. You see, BOTH Elm & Main traffic was stopped ANYWAY for the motorcade, so this is just a "story" to justify sending JFK into the death gauntlet that was set up for the firing squad. Here it is: "The Elm Street approach to the Stemmons Freeway is necessary in order to avoid the traffic hazards which would otherwise exist if right turns were permitted from both Main and Elm into the freeway...."
One thing kind of ironic is that JFK and Jackie were traveling together to Texas for a couple of reasons. One was that she DIDN'T go in 1960 because she was pregnant with JFK Jr. and the saddest reason was that they were both trying to move closer emotionally after all the cheating and such...Jackie had been banging Onassis (maybe out of revenge for Jack's cheating). They were perhaps moving to a sweeter place of love in their marriage, who knows?
@FalseFlag369 - No, you're right, so stick by your guns (no pun intended). It was easy to install curb ramps so the motorcade just stays on Main St.and goes straight onto Stemmens Freeway, but that wouldn't put JFK where the firing squad planners wanted him. One of those planners, btw, was George H.W. Bush. Connally invited JFK to come to Texas (LBJ's best buddy) to bring Lyndon and raise a ton of donation money for the campaign. LBJ had Connally push JFK to come to Texas.
@FalseFlag369 - yeah, there was a Mauser up there. There is a YouTube where you can see 8 or so cops examining the rifle real close out in the street as a group - then they report the I.D. of that rifle to the press as a Mauser. Then, 1 1/2 days later, they CHANGE it to a Man. Carcano....kind of an OBVIOUS coverup, eh? Obviously, in order to frame Oswald, it had to be his rifle.
@FalseFlag369 The number of powerful people who wanted "A change in the Executive Branch" was amazing and alarming...nearly everyone around him...LBJ, CIA, FBI, Joint Chiefs, Bankers, Oil Executives, Military Industrial Complex, Onassis, Mafia, Cubans, Nixon...and others! Trying to find the actual shooters is pointless. IMO, it was a well planned black op with Oswald as the patsy (by ordering him into deep cover to report on this weird "cell" in New Orleans).
@FalseFlag369 - 1. Demmorensheldt was Oswald's INTEL handler...he & Ruth Payne got him the job. Could a "Lone Nut" know ahead of time? 2. Staying on Main Street required curb ramps just past the overpass to get over to the Stemmons Freeway ramp entrance, but that's an easy thing to arrange, rather than having those (restricted) hairpin turns like you say. 3. "Officially", the claim is that JFK called down the rear bumper agents (I think that's bogus). Picket fence gets him anyway!
ALERT!! - Get THIS...I just researched and found Clint Hill (SS agent who jumped on the limo) saying "I heard a shot and saw JFK reach for his throat, so I started heading for the limo and, before I could get there, TWO more shots were fired, one hitting the President in the head" (paraphrasing, but this is what he said in a YouTube video!!). This means there were only 4.72 seconds for THREE shots to be fired, which is 100% impossible for ONE "lone nut" - thus, MORE THAN ONE SHOOTER!. PERIOD.
@singeroftheages - I let your comment post here just to make sure you (and all viewers) understand that I said in the description just below the video box "Approximation of what it might have sounded like". I took actual streets sounds from a video of a city shooting "battle" that happened in a south american country that I found on the internet, because these are ACTUAL rifles firing off in a city setting, with buildings around. I NOW think the last two shots were bang-bang.
One tough thing to imagine is that the bullet hits JFK's head BETWEEN frames & NOT the frame where we say "he's hit now" (red splatter). The Z-film is 1/18 of a second (18 frames/sec). BUT the bullet travels WAY faster!! What we see is a whipping forward of a skull "flap" from the REAR blowout of the head. The bullet blew out the back of the head & WHIPPED this flap, thus the forward splatter and red "flap" we see. If his film was 1000 frames/sec, we would see the back of the skull blow out.
I think the Umbrella Man and Dark Complected Man were signalling the driver and agent sitting next to him to slow down so the shooters can get a head shot. I also think the shooters were always trying for a head shot while the car was moving. They just couldn't do it while the car was moving so fast. I agree with @dreadnaught2 that the radios were not being used.
LOL, everyone knows that you need to open an umbrella to signal a team of assassins that a motorcade that includes a 20 foot long limo is coming. That has got to be a new low in logic, even for you.
@dreadnaught2 - You are quite the "thinker". This is Ops Planning 101....the umbrella is the point man with dual-signal....1=The mission is ON if it is UP....2=fire when subject is at this point (the "vortex" of the crossfire). This way, radios are not used to verify mission status. They all knew the motorcade was coming. I believe the umbrella was equipped with a silent pistol in the handle...lower caliber, entry wound. JFK was trying to cough up the bullet.
holy shit, you may be right man. i just recently found out by the "umbrella man". at first i thought the he was the shooter, but then i saw ur video and IT ALL makes sense. he was the one who signaled the shooters at that point. im really not sure about the seven shooters lol, but u have a GREAT point. thanks for the video.
@MegaGibby96 - The umbrella man may have been one of the shooters as well as the "GO" signal. JFK is first hit when he's the closest to the umbrella man (it's also the midpoint for the crossfire). If you focus on the umbrella in the Z-film, you'll notice the umbrella "tracks" JFK by turning clockwise as he passes by. Not normal if simply holding an umbrella as a bystander & I don't believe the fake "umbrella man" with the umbrella magically appearing at the HSCA years later.
To clarify, I don't think there were 7 shooters, just up to maybe 7 shots overall, from several locations. If the umbrella was equipped with a pistol in the handle, it probably would have been a silencer variety, one shot only, with a periscope site (thus the raising/lowering of the umbrella to line up the eye to the site). Those cloak & dagger devices were used for "walk-by" killings on the sidewalk, if necessary. Poison tips, etc. to insure the kill.
Don't know if you're familiar with a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton. Pretty long and technical but goes over the conspiracy from the medical evidence and that the wounds were altered after the body arrived in Washington to show shots from behind instead of the front. Real interesting read. Covers what the Dallas Parkland doctors stated about the wounds and then how the Washington douche bags described completely different wounds or causes.
@snag66 - Those Drs. also testified in the WC report that the back of JFK's head was blown out. The WC's "solution" was to simply IGNORE this testimony. Did you know that TWO of the WC members REFUSED to sign off on the final report unless they could add a disclaimer that they did not agree with the MBT..? They were told "OK", so they wrote their disclaimers, which were LEFT OUT of the final report (of course).
@snag66 - Yes, Lifton's book is good & there's a LOT more conspiracy evidence since then. Barr McClelland's book (Blood, Money and Power - how LBJ killed JFK) PROVED that Mac Wallace's fingerprints were on the 6th floor boxes also (he was LBJ's henchman handled by Ed Clark, the most powerful Texas attorney & LBJ's political sidekick). LBJ rewarded Clark with an Ambassadorship. LBJ rewarded his Texas buddies with HUGE Vietnam contracts. LBJ was under investigation & this saved his ass.
@autoad - All I have to show is that it was a conspiracy & coverup, NOT to actually "solve" the crime. That's kinda tough to do when Hoover is involved & has all the evidence on his desk, writes his story about Oswald & LBJ creates the WC to bypass Texas or Senate or House investigations (which were going to happen). Listen to Hoover's phone calls with LBJ. The SS agents who said there were many bullets flying into the limo from various locations, etc. (lots of conspiratorial evidence)
@autoad - Yeah, the "recording" information was a mess, but it doesn't matter if you just keep it simple... The last two shots were bang-bang, too close together for one shooter. SS agents said MANY shots were fired into the limo from various positions. The Dr's said the back of JFK's head was blown out. There is NO way the MBT holds up! - AND two WC members wrote COUNTER statements to the MBT for the report, but that was OMITTED!!! Even their OWN members words were covered up!!
@autoad - The HSCA said it was a conspiracy, based on a LOT of things, not just that recording. Funny how "non-conspiracy" freaks hold onto lies because they are so afraid of uncovering the truth. IMO, JFK & the "Kennedy movement" was removed from office. Yes, it's my opinion, based on all my research. They were giving the gov't back to the people...ending the FED, withdrawing from Vietnam, world peace. They would've been in there for 24 years & the world would look way different today.
@autoad - The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. And if I told you I could shoot DOWN on you from above with a high powered rifle & hit you 6" below your collar in the back & the bullet makes a hairpin turn, travels up your windpipe, then turns 90 degrees, out your throat leaving only a 1/4" hole, then rips through Connally, breaks ribs & blows out a 2" hole in his chest, then breaks bones in his wrist, then into his thigh & it looks nearly brand new with no blood on it, you'd believe me?
@autoad - OK, now you're lying. I have shown a LOT of supporting evidence of a conspiracy & coverup. Read through these comments & write them down on paper & you'll see them if your eyes are open. You seem to think I have to "solve" the case, when I'm just uncovering that it was a conspiracy & a coverup. Obviously it was. That's why Garrison jumped in - he is a hero. And the HSCA agreed. I think Oswald was an undercover intel agent just doing his job & duped as patsy by rogue planners.
@autoad - You don't know what Hunt disclosed? Obviously no research at all (search YouTube, it's there). Remember, conspiracy folks don't have to "solve the case", but just show that it's a conspiracy and/or a coverup. We've done that many times over. Therefore, the REAL story hasn't been solved & probably won't due to the level of the planning and coverup. The picket fence rifle & head shot bullet may be over the mantle in a hunting lodge somewhere in Texas and says "History Maker".
@autoad - Not gonna let you turn this around on ME to prove who did what. All I have to show is ONE thing to indicate it was more than one shooter, or that there were lies forming a coverup. Why is this all I have to show? Because I'm not trying to "solve" the case - I'm just showing it was a conspiracy & a coverup & I've done both of these MANY times over with MANY items of evidence & contradictions & eyewitness accounts. If you believe the W.C. lies, you'd believe anything.
@autoad - The HSCA is a "pro-conspiracy" group. They concluded it WAS a conspiracy...so, put that in your pipe & smoke it. You obviously haven't done ANY research. You don't know about E.H. Hunt's disclosures. You don't know that the Dr's all testified in the W.C. report that the back of the head was blown out (but that was ignored). You don't acknowledge the Mauser rifle ALSO found in the TSBD. Mostly you just seem to believe the W.C. report...it just doesn't hold water. Period.
@autoad - I challenge you to read back over all my posts. I've shown NUMEROUS contradictions to the W.C. & many very sound facts that show there were more than 3 bullets & higher motives & other players. You know very well a nearly pristine bullet could NOT have done all that is claimed. You KNOW that a bullet traveling DOWN into the back 6 inches BELOW the neck line could NOT have done what is claimed. E. H. Hunt's disclosure. Mac Wallace fingerprints (it's real), Oswald WAS intel, etc.
@autoad - I could not say it better myself. EXACTLY why those who question this bullshit coverup MUST keep the faith that justice (now mostly just in the form of the truth & names getting exposed), will happen. I hope you'll read a LOT more than the W.C. report (you seem to accept those "findings" without question). If you ARE as smart as you think you are, then try the OTHER perspective: that it IS a coverup. Look at ALL the research & DISCREPENCIES & missing/altered evidence, etc.
@autoad - No, 19% believing it was a "lone nut" do so because they swallowed the coverup and/or it's much easier. It's not an easy thing to see how certain splinter CIA and other power groups can kill JFK and change the course of where the world is going politically and totally get away with it. Well not with me...I'm not letting them get away with it. Since it DID seem to work, that motivated them further to take out MLK & then RFK...maybe others. No, this isn't paranoid.
The W.C. didn't even view the Zapruder film! Can you imagine you're supposed to investigate a murder & didn't WATCH the crime happen? Also, they didn't look at any autopsy photos, just sketches drawn conveniently WRONG. The back entry wound was 6" BELOW the collar at a DOWNWARD angle. - Now, stand at the mirror & take a look (maybe hold a yardstick at the correct angle) & you'll see it would NEVER do what they claim it did. Connally was hit with a direct shot that missed JFK, plain and simple.
@Tomaji69 You didn't take into account the 4 degree downward slope on Elm Street. You didn't take into account the physical evidence of the inward direction of the fibers on the back of JFK's jacket and shirt where the bullet entered and the outward direction of the fibers on his shirt collar and tie where the bullet exited.
I'd still like to read your answers to the 5 questions I asked the other day.
@autoad - No, you lose!...Did you WORK for the W.C.? The "adjusted" slope of the back hit still puts that bullet path downward into JFK's right lung - in fact, the W.C. report screwed up and SAYS that JFK's upper lung was ripped by the bullet, which proves the bullet was WAY lower than the neck. Just like the Dr's testimony saying the BACK of JFK's head was blown out, the W.C. simply IGNORES it so they can coverup the truth - which is WHY the W.C. was created in the first place!
@autoad - As for your 5 questions to hide that you haven't done your research - I'd like to answer a lot of questions, but it's tough with a plot this clever & a cover up at that level. So, presume a coverup and look for their screw ups and PRESTO - it's obvious. The limo getting restored. The impossible MBT. The Dr's all saying the BACK of the head was blown out & the W.C. ignoring that. The BACK bullet (shot #3) into the lung. The 1/4" neck ENTRY wound (and Hoover LYING about it).
@autoad - The W.C. is Exhibit A in the coverup "case". There are many motives that members of the gov't, joint chiefs, bankers, oil men, mafia, Brown & Root, etc. wanted a "change in the executive branch". Certainly LBJ, to save his ass - he was going DOWN big time. CIA, NSC, Joint Chiefs, Hoover - all justified it as JFK is a "loose cannon". He was, after all, smoking pot & doing acid with Mary Meyers & his "world peace" view was too "communist" for all those hawks who surrounded him.
@autoad - You know what....I want YOU to tell all of us the list of books you've read to do your research to CONCLUDE that it was just Oswald....come on, what books have you read?? My list is over 100 books and lots and lots of videos, talk groups and thousands of hours thinking it through. Almost NOTHING "fits" the scenario of a lone nut just wandering into town....think about it. Put some pieces together and THINK. Did you hear the LBJ/Hoover phone talks? - & lots more..dig...dig!
@autoad - You're funny! The W.C. was hired ONLY to CONCLUDE "It was Oswald, because Hoover said so" - and you pray to that book every night before you go to bed, rather than doing research. 89% say it was NOT a "lone nut". Why? Because there's a TON of evidence if you look deeper - not some loner who wandered into town with his six shooter & rifle in hand. The Kennedys were killed because they were giving the country back to the citizens and working for world peace. No profits in that.
@dreadnaught2 - The autopsy LIED about the back of JFK's head to fit the (coverup) "story". If you return the rear skull "flaps" back into place & clean up the area, you could create that picture where you see a small hole where the bullet EXITED as it blew the skull plates out with the (slower moving) brains behind it. On impact, brain matter flicked FORWARD & UP as these "skull flaps" flipped quickly outward (like flicking your wrist to splash water on somebody).
@Tomaji69 ...sorry but the Zapruder film shows the direction of brain matter spraying in a forward and up motion as consistent with an exiting bullet. Your splash water anology has no place in the SCIENCE of balistics.
@dreadnaught2 - There are reasons the brain matter sprays up & forward, but there was DEFINITELY a shot from the FRONT that blew through his head, driving it violently back & to the left, lifting his torso up & almost OVER the back of the seat (watch that). We all learned when we were kids that if you hit something, it goes goes in the direction you hit it, not the other way. A head shot from the rear would blow Jackie's face off & blow out JFK's face! - It's just SO OBVIOUS.
@dreadnaught2 - WRONG! The Parkland Doctors ALL testified that the BACK of JFK's head was blown out. That means it's 100% FACT (and exposes the autopsy lies). The W.C. printed what they said, but then (of course) IGNORED it so they could blame the patsy. You're a sucker to believe that report - only 19% believe the "lone nut" LIE. Too much trouble to say "Someone shot from the front" - then, they'd have to actually investigate to figure it all out and WHY the autopsy was fixed.
@Tomaji69 ...your statement...."The Parkland Doctors ALL testified that the BACK of JFK's head was blown out." is not true and if you believe it you have ignored their actual statements.
@autoad OK, let's add up the bullets. The first one missed (the girl stops running). The throat hit from the front. JFK's back hit right after he lunges forward, knocking JFK out & he starts to slump toward Jackie. The windshield is hit. The head shot. Connally is hit with a shot. The bystander is apparently hit from a curb fragment from another miss. This is 6 or 7 shots if you let go of the LIE that all the shots came (unbelievably) from ONE point.
@Tomaji69 - Also, if the head shot came from behind (the biggest lie of all), then it would have blown OUT the FRONT of JFK's head (his face) & would have undoubtedly blown Jackie's head apart also, since she was right in the line of fire. High powered bullets like that don't bounce around the brain, they just blow them out, we all know that. Also, he wouldn't have been driven BACK & almost over the top of the back of the seat! A REAL new autopsy would uncover the whole evil plot.
@dreadnaught2 - I'm certain it was a conspiracy & coverup, so I don't believe the W.C. report. It's purpose was to mislead the public & here you are doing exactly that. Look at all the many OTHER sources & then you'll see all the amazing conflicts to the W.C. & the "autopsies" and, most importantly, the many MOTIVES to get rid of the Kennedys. You see, they were about giving our government back to the people & world peace & would be "in power" for many decades. No profit in that.
@fsnfnd - This IS the Zapruder film but now I wish I'd used the "stable" version perhaps. The reason it jumps from the two cops to the motorcade is Zapruder shot a "test strip" first to be sure the camera was working, then he shot the motorcade. Those two lead cops were out there as the "scouts" prior to the motorcade advancing....standard stuff.
@autoad - This is a stupid claim of "not a shred of evidence". Listen up, there is a TON of evidence of multiple shooters, conspiracy and coverup...a TON of evidence. If you read what I say, this is MY approximation of the shots. The FIRST shot (even according to the WC) missed everything (where the little girl stops running) - so, yes, JFK is still waving. Then a volley of shots at the umbrella (sounds like ONE to most witnesses). Then 2 almost simultaneously for the head shot.
something that I never heard about JFK is how much love Jackeline had for him, in no momemt she try to sava herself from those shoots, any normal person will ruan away, or cover herself in some way. But she embrace him . So much love.
@mukundananda - Instinctively, JFK is trying to get down for cover, but Jackie is holding him up to inquire about what's wrong (see how she gets in his face asking "what's wrong honey", or something?) - if only she would have helped him get down into her lap toward the floor, he might have lived. But with a bullet in his back and another in his throat. I think the bullet in his back traveled down into his thorax and may have punctured his heart, who knows? A new autopsy??
At :31, you can clearly see a railroad man's helmet in the bushes before the camera pans to the picket fence..can't really detect a rifle but why would someone be standing in the bushes anyway? If you look at the Altgens photo (the colorized), you can clearly see someone wearing the same type of helmet. Also, in the badgeman photo too. I'm guessing they are spotters for the shooters.
@6021diesel - He's not actually IN the bushes, he's between Zapruder and those bushes. He's just a dude watching it all from there. Mac Wallace had been up on the 6th floor moving boxes (100% proof from FINGERPRINT ID)...he was LBJ's henchman and was handled by Ed Clark, LBJ's lawyer in Austin. Obviously JFK's head was hit from the FRONT - any moron simply watching the Z film in real time can tell. It almost drives him up and over the back of the seat!! I bet his neck was broken..?)
@Tomaji69 Ok..I'll give you that. All I was saying was that there seems to be alot of RR workers all around the Plaza and watching or as I like to say "Spotting"..Plus, I'm saying that LHO wasn't the only one shooting..Whether it was Wallace as you say, LHO was I think apart of the plot and maybe took a shot from a window, but he wasn't the only one and he was clearly set up to take the fall for the whole plot.
@6021diesel - If Oswald was part of the plot (and we know he was an intel agent), then he would NOT have said "I'm a patsy"...he would have taken the fall & said "I did it" or would have said nothing at all until he was told what to say. He was just a "marksman" status (the LOWEST grade) & not qualified to be the primary shooter. If he was a "lone nut", he would have fired when JFK was 100 feet below him, BEFORE the turn. My Grandmother could hit him between the eyes from there!
@Tomaji69 I agree with everything you're saying however, I think when LHO said that he was a "patsy", then he was a marked man..He knew too much and about the plotters and had to be eliminated. We already know LHO had CIA ties and was being handled by David Atlee Phillips and George DeMorenschildt..In my opinion, LHO was apart of the "plot"and may have infiltrated it and was being set up from the get go because of his Russian and Cuban ties. He was the perfect scapegoat.
The only area that i have not seen, to be investigated is the follow up car in the front that the chif ewas in, a sniper in the boot for the first shot ? My opinion, it was done before, have a look at the film, the car is sitting under the overpass as the JFK SS-100-X pick's up speed, why is it there and where are the 2 police Bikes at the start of the Z Film. ? RIP JFK, also let's not forget the JFK's Dad made Million's wwith the Mafia in the Hay day.?
@7071t6 - The CIA used Mafia people a lot for certain operations & this was true here also, because if the "Oswald did it" failed, they would pin it on the Mafia. The plan was to sacrifice ONE intel operative (Oswald) as the patsy. ONE volley of simultaneous fire from several shooters (then, there'd be ONE casing found upstairs!). But shooters don't fire at EXACTLY the same time - JFK hit in throat, lunges forward & hit in back as another misses. Thus, the picket fence "safety" shot.
@Tomaji69 - I think now that Connally was shot by a MISS from the rear just after the picket fence head shot - thus, the two nearly simultaneous shots witnesses testify about. Notice the position of his body when JFK is hit in the head? A miss of JFK's head from the rear could have hit Connally at that point. This all happens in 6 seconds remember, but we have replay and stop-frame and slow-motion to look at.
@o0soda0o - Yeah, they all flinch, especially Connally - I think he was hit from the rear by a MISS just after the picket fence head shot. Notice that Connally is positioned just right at that time - where a bullet missing JFK's head could hit him under his right armpit, blow through his right lung and out his nipple area, then into his right wrist and deflect out and into his thigh. Many fragments were removed during his surgery, so there was no "pristine" bullet.
@cruisersism - Please post your source for the quote by LBJ "I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"...obviously, this sounds like someone made it up, or it's what Madeline Duncan Brown (one of LBJ's mistresses) said that LBJ said to her...(?). thanks
To start learning about the audio evidence look at ECHO CORRELATION ANALYSIS by Don Thomas, it has MANY errors but he got one thing right, there was a 5th shot the HSCA didn't count. Then you have to correct the HSCA's other errors. How could all these people get so much wrong? Every one of these "scientists" tries to make the faked US Gov't evidence work with valid info. Don Thomas believes in the SBT so he tries to make 5 shots work with SBT, that is idiotic. See my video TWILIGHT ZONE instead
@SCGATOR2001 - SBT is so absurd. A silly STORY to pin it on Oswald - who was an undercover agent waiting in the break room while the bust went down after all his hard work - he is actually a hero who was used as the patsy - very clever plan by Hoover, Dulles and associates! Did you know 2 or 3 members of the WC quit the commission due to the absurdity of the SBT...?! Yes, they went public on it too. Throat shot was an entrance wound - 100% known by expert eyewitness DOCTORS at Parkland.
@SCGATOR2001 - there were 6-7 shots IMO. The audio experts at the House investigation said that was probably the case, but that there were FOR SURE 4 shots. The plan was for all to be fired at the point when subject gets to the umbrella man (the signal of "mission on"). The early shot that missed everything was maybe a misfire of someone getting into final position. Where Hoover and WC kind of blew it, is that they COULD have said there was NO early shot, thus no need for the SBT.
Hoover was EVIL and blackmailed the Kennedy's to put LBJ on the ticket in 1960. Then, Hoover plotted to get rid of JFK. Bobby had been sending Life magazine the story on LBJ murders and corruption and it was to be the Life COVER STORY the week of Nov. 25th, 1963....yep, they HAD to kill JFK before it was too late. There was a Congressional hearing on LBJ the day JFK was shot. It was a MUST KILL for the dark evil ones! LBJ was a monster. Texas turned Republican immediately after Dallas.
You did get LBJ and Hoover right though. They were the only two scumbags who could have hidden BANG-BANG from the public which obviously proves conspiracy.
They had to alter the body
They had to alter the Z film
They had to change witness' testimony
They had to pressure witnesses to SHUT UP, some didn't listen and paid with their life
They had to have cooperation from WC Gerald Ford, he was well rewarded
Life magazine altered the frame sequences in their printing. The film was NEVER shown to the Warren Commission or the public, until Garrison showed it in court...even then, the public at large never saw it. WHY?...because it's OBVIOUS that the head shot came from the FRONT, that's why!! It had to be covered up. Any evidence that Hoover got, he controlled, but the loose ends were a problem.
Ed Clark (LBJ's lawyer/partner in crime), had LBJ create the WC to keep Texas from investigating the crime (see Blood, Money and Power - How LBJ killed JFK)...this book gives us a HUGE piece of evidence by matching the unknown fingerprint in the sniper's nest with Mack Wallace, who was LBJ's henchman who killed a bunch of people for the LBJ machine in Texas! He was part of the Sol Estes crimes, etc.....do the research. Ford was the FBI MOLE. Dulles was the CIA mole - on the WC.
@Tomaji69 You are right on about Ford, Dulles, LBJ and Hoover. To solve this crime all you have to do is LISTEN to the witnesses, they tell you what happened.
Here's what's important today. Jamie Gorelick was the mole on the 9/11 Commission just like Ford was on the Warren Commission. She steered the committee away from the truth. IF they could fool the Press about JFK, 9/11 was easy to fool the press again.
The truth about 9/11 is just as simple as the truth in the JFK "mystery".
Yes, trust witnesses and NOT Spector or other lawyers in D.C. working some cover-up scheme (led by Hoover and Dulles. Nixon was one of their "Players"....he was deep into the Mafia for example...back in the late 40's Jack Ruby worked as an "assistant" to Nixon (true!). Also, Nixon's first action as President was to pardon Hoffa...!! And he was all about continuing the war, even though elected on a promise to end it. Another monster, as we all saw. They killed Bobby - it was Nixon's turn.
Look at the witnesses AND look at what's MISSING...if you investigate a CONSPIRACY, it's the flip of "normal" process. Missing and cleaned evidence: the limo being cleaned when it NEVER should have been; the missing Mauser rifle (Roger Craig witness); the missing bullets (one picked up in the infield that was probably the head shot); the missing "tramps"; the missing Oswald interrogation tapes (you KNOW they taped those!); everything was sent to HOOVER, so he just put it on his desk and....
@Tomaji69 They killed Bobby K because if the Warren Comm had been examined truthfully, they would have hung Hoover and LBJ before they died naturally. The truth is too big to let out of the bag, it's much easier to lie. Sure many wanted the Kennedy's out of the way but only LBJ and Hoover had control of the investigations. Killing both Kennedys was EASY, the cover up was the hard part. There was a massive hole in the back of JFK's head, that EXACTLY matches the last 2 shots 0.7 seconds apart.
@SCGATOR2001 - The first of those last two shots hit Connally (missing JFK's head as he slumped to his left), then the JFK head shot from the front as Jackie held him and the car was almost at a stop!, then Connally dives to the floor and the driver takes off once he sees the mission is complete! It's clear that Connally falls backwards toward Nellie the instant he is hit with the DIRECT shot that missed JFK's head from behind. The limo was IMMEDIATELY restored, rather than kept for evidence.
@SCGATOR2001 - Here's a "magic bullet theory".....fire a shot in Dallas and have it pass through JFK's head, then it turns magically and passes through MLK in Memphis 5 years later, then it goes west and passes through RFK's head a couple months later, then it flies east, stopping in mid air for over three decades, then it flies into the twin towers making them collapse like NO steel buildings have ever done in the history of the world, then it destroys building 7! Wow, how did it do all that?
@SCGATOR2001 - You're right, and there's lots of proof of all this....we need to pull it all together, as many pieces came to light in only the last few years.
One thing nobody seems to bring up that is OBVIOUS (maybe that's why??) is that if JFK was hit in the head from behind, then it would have blown out the FRONT of his face somewhere (probably hitting Jackie, since her head was right in line with the TSBD. That shot would have blown out JFK's left eye, nose and cheek area. Obviously NOT.
@SCGATOR2001 - Yes, a BANG-BANG is NOT from ONE shooter. Any THOUGHT of a conspiracy would lead to.....THEM....!!!!!! So, job ONE was to make sure the "story" was ONE SHOOTER, no matter how ridiculous! Hitler once said, "The bigger the lie, the more people believe it". Look at 911....buildings perfectly intact from the ground up collapse from weight they've been supporting for years! Steel buildings NEVER do that!! That's why THOUSANDS of engineers want an investigation!
@SCGATOR2001 - Ford was the FBI "mole" on the WC....and, yes, he viewed this as expedient toward higher office. The Z film didn't need altering, it was hidden from view forever...it was the American HERO Jim Garrison, who entered it into evidence...and, even THEN, it was not in the public view for some time. The WC did NOT view it...can you imagine? Just watch it REAL TIME & it's OBVIOUS JFK was hit from the FRONT, throwing his body backward, up & over the top of the seat & out over the trunk.
@Tomaji69 A sizeable number of Witnesses heard BANG-BANG, two shots very close together. The first of those two hit JFK in head, obviously fired from in front and the second hit Connally in the back, bending him violently over. SEARCH for ZAPRUDER STABLILIZED and watch Kennedy shot in the head but this time watch Connally bent over by the force of the bullet that hit him in the back.
Starting with BANG-BANG, you can solve this murder. The shot sequence described here is INCORRECT.
@SCGATOR2001 - What I have here is a "bang bang", just may not be the bang-bang you are thinking of. This is academic really because my version AND yours is clear to come from TWO rifles. Connally said he turned his head to the right to look for JFK and then got hit just as he started turning his head back to his left. He also said that when JFK got head shot, he dove to the floor. I see him in anguish falling backward toward Nellie after getting hit, so that's why I laid that shot sound there.
@SCGATOR2001 - I think now that Connally WAS hit just after the head shot, from a direct "miss" from behind meant to hit JFK, but his head jerked back quickly out of the way, or whatever. The thing is that nobody has to come up with the EXACT sequence of timing of bullets to KNOW there were many bullets. Why else clean up the limo instead keeping it INTACT (even today!!). The bullet picked up in the infield was the head shot (from the knoll) IMO...missing evidence (of course).
I used to think that but after listening to Connally's interviews I think it was just a coincidence that he lost consciousness at the same time as the JFK head shot. But who knows. I think as many as 11 shots were fired, Three 2-man teams at 3rd floor Dal-Tex building, TSBD (one on the roof), and the grassy knoll. Everybody got off 2 shots except the head shot guy who saw his work was done after only one.
@LiquorWreckedEmGood - Yeah, the shooters were not very good - they MISSED...!! That's why the safety shot from the picket fence was necessary. Too many people said there were 3 shots for there to be 11, but there was the first one that missed...then 2-4 simultaneously at the umbrella...then because they missed, there were 2 simultaneous at the head shot timing....we DON'T have to get all the shots correct! - It's just OBVIOUSLY a conspiracy and still no justice!!
@SCGATOR2001 Just curious, what compensation did Arlen Specter receive, as you state, he was "rewarded.... ", what part did he play in this conspiracy?? and what did he receive? Money, position in the congress, what?? Real answer now, please don't delete my comment unless you have some realistic answer! thanks, just one person trying to understand your comments...
@91fatboy51 I allowed your post, but your question is for SCGATOR2001, so I'll let them field it. I personally think that Specter was TOLD that the lone-nut & three bullet story was THE STORY & it was his JOB to make that happen. If JFK and Connally were hit by DIFFERENT bullets, then they were too close together to be from ONE lone nut, thus the "MBT"...one bullet did the work of 3. His story: first shot missed (#1), then the magic bullet (#2) and then the head shot (#3).
Z326, that works out to be about 0.7 seconds after Z313. Watch a COMPUTER STABILIZED Z film, then it becomes OBVIOUS that Connally was slammed forward and was bent over by the bullet to his back.
If you don't believe me, look up Roy Kellerman's Warren Commission testimony. He says the last shots were a FLURRY/ BANG-BANG.
I'll give you another hint, the OTHER WAY TO MEASURE THE SHOT SPACING ALSO shows the last shots were 0.7 sec apart. Watch my video TWILIGHT ZONE if you can't figure it out
This is my estimate of how it went down, don't get too technical because you can't tell everything from the Z film, it had no sound. We all know there was the first shot that missed (the running girl stops running at that sound)...then the flurry at the umbrella man, where JFK is shot in the throat, lunges forward causing a shot down from TSBD to miss the top of his head and lodge into his back and another rear shot missed his head, hitting the metal above the windshield, another hit the curb.
@Tomaji69 You do know that the Z film AND the acoustical evidence MATCH EXACTLY, don't you? Actually you don't because in your earlier replies to me YOU showed you were GUESSING, you were NOT using evidence that clearly shows exactly what happened.
If you're speaking of the "radio dispatch" (open motorcycle mic) thing, it's pretty unclear in several respects. Mostly, it's a bunch of noise and you can't distinguish any "reports" really. Acoustical experts testified there were "peaks" they thought were shots...that led to the acoustical tests later as part of the House hearings on assassinations. Also, those dispatch recordings and Z film are analog & don't run on "exact" timing...but I'm open...where's a link to that recording?
@Tomaji69 Look at the stabilized Z film, Connally immediately after the head shot is slammed forward THEN HE IS PULLED OVER INTO Nellie's lap. She could not and did not slam John Connally forward starting at Z325, it was THE FORCE OF THE BULLET that bent John Connally over. Listen to the witnesses, not the Warren Comm, not Bugliosi. Some are lying, some are idiots, You can sort them out. I just know LISTEN TO THE WITNESSES and you can know the truth!
@SCGATOR2001 - I see BOTH Connally's DIVING to the floor a split second after the head shot. He had just fallen backward into Nellie's lap from the direct shot that ripped through him - MAN, that must have HURT....!! Ripped a baseball size exit hole just below his right nipple! Same thing should have happened to JFK's face if he had been shot from behind. Obviously the head shot was from the fence. I believe the eyewitnesses and NOT the suits covering it up. Maybe we can summarize all this...?
@SCGATOR2001 - have the last two shots as bang-bang. My problem is just WHERE did the throat shot come from? I think it was either from an umbrella gun (was used as the signal if up AND maybe also as a silent gun, perhaps shooting poison small caliber bullet..? Those existed back then in the CIA. Also, it looks amazing like Jack Ruby standing next to the umbrella man - weird. G.H.W. Bush was there, near the TSDB, mafia guys as spectators. Ruby worked for Nixon in the late 40's in D.C.
@Tomaji69 Patience. Don't jump ahead too fast, take it one at a time, start with BANG-BANG (JFK head shot followed 0.7 seconds later by the shot to Connally's back, Z313 then Z325) Explain ALL the wounds to those two men that those two shots COULD POSSIBLY have caused. This exercise is a lot harder than you would at first think!
@SCGATOR2001 - Connally was shot as his head turns back to the left, which is at approx. Z296 - you're waiting WAY too late to think Connally was hit AFTER the head shot...he's already lying down in Nellie's lap by then....way after he turned his head. He starts falling toward Nellie after he's hit in frame 296 (that's WHY he is falling toward Nellie - he's HIT..!! The bang-bang thing is still correct, just wrong order of guys hit. I show shots at the approx timings according to Connally.
@Tomaji69 Connally is going STRAIGHT FORWARD at Z326 when he is hit. Connally does not start going to the left until after Z326. Connally said the shot to his back bent him over, he is NOT bent over until after Z326.
If you look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE at 8:50 you'll see Connally blasted forward AFTER JFK is shot in the head, it is apparent, it is OBVIOUS. Connally was NOT falling toward Nellie until AFTER the rapid movement forward starting 0.7 seconds after JFK is shot in the head.
@SCGATOR2001 no "TWILIGHT ZONE" found on your account...please post a link to it or the correct name or whatever is going on. Interested in seeing what you're referring to. Thanks for the intelligent analysis discussion.
@SCGATOR2001 - Depends on what "bent over" means...technically, he NEVER "bends over", but his belly probably convulses when he was hit by the near-fatal blow that smashes through his right lung and ribs, wrist and thigh...quite and impact. He grimaces and falls backward after having turned to look for JFK, so that's why I THINK that's where he got hit. Either way, was from multiple rifles. There were 4 or 5 shooters IMO. Dal Tex, TSBD, Umbrella, Picket Fence
You missed one of the BIGGEST CLUES a witness gives you. Connally insisted he turned to look over his right shoulder and then as he was turning back to look over his left shoulder he was struck in the back and "the force of the bullet BENT ME OVER."
Look at the film, watch Connally turn almost all the way around to look at JFK, do you think he had a serious back wound when he did this? That is just plain ridiculous.
Instead listen to him, he was bent over AFTER JFK was shot in the head.Z326
I have Connally being shot just before the head shot, look and listen again. He said he had looked all the way to his right, then was turning back around to his left when he was hit. That is 100% accurate as an EXPERT witness....I would know best when I was shot, so Connally is 100% correct and that shows in the film...when he's hit, it drives him down into Nellie's lap and then the head shot to JFK from the fence as the "safety shot", as Connally then dives to the floor. See notes in video.
I don't have Connally getting hit until just before the head shot...watch & listen again. The flurry of shots at the umbrella man do not hit Connally yet. Connally turned from Democrat to Republican after Dallas, as did the other big money politicians in Texas...so this state (i live in Austin) is controlled by right wing assholes. Ed Clark controlled the Texas political scene. You must read Blood, Money and Power - How LBJ killed JFK. The way it's written is not good, but important....!!
@FalseFlag369 - Yes, there was operation paperclip to smuggle Nazi intel agents to the west....they had a LOT of important data and concepts after all their experiments on mind control, torture, etc...it was a way for the Nazi's to keep their ideals alive...may not win the battle...or the war...but win the effort..(?). As for splintering the CIA....that was pinned on JFK, but he just wanted to re-Org and have CIA accountable, as intel is important (and JFK was in the ONI for a time after PT 109)
Tomaji69 3 days ago
(more)...so, JFK installed Bobby as his interface with the CIA...RFK went to Langley most days on his way into DC from his McLean Virginia home. He took DIRECT control of future efforts to overthrow Castro. McCone was a weak replacement for Dulles (intentionally) and McCone felt there were 2 shooters in Dallas. It was probably a combination of "older" CIA rogues (Dulles & GHW Bush included), Mafia & Cuban exiles who took out JFK. Good details in "Brothers" by Talbot.
Tomaji69 3 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - We're on the same wavelength. Ike was a very good man & the best thing for us at that time. Nixon was a dark evil empire agent hiding in the shadows. He was DEEPLY connected with the Mafia & big oil, as was Hoover & Dulles. When the Kennedys got into the "core" workings of the Executive Branch, a LOT of crap became evident. The CIA was the tail wagging the dog - doing whatever "it" wanted without oversight by the Prez! It wasn't JFK who screwed up the Bay of Pigs, it was the CIA.
Tomaji69 3 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - The thing about the bullets is that ZERO bullets that were fired at JFK or Connally were actually presented into evidence....NONE. The "magic bullet" was an OBVIOUS plant for coverup & to match it to the patsy's Carcano rifle...it was a sample fired from that rifle PRIOR to the event, as just one of the important details of that rogue black op....although, it really wasn't as "rogue" as we might think. Nearly everyone around JFK wanted him OUT, so he was "difficult to protect".
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@Tomaji69 - I used that phrase "JFK had become difficult to protect" because that was a buzz phrase going around some of the Intel quarters for months prior to the execution by firing squad. My father mentioned that a couple of times BEFORE the event and he worked at the Army Intelligence school in Baltimore. I was 14 when all this went down and I intuitively felt it was LBJ right away and I KNEW Oswald was gonna get silenced BEFORE it happened.
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@Tomaji69 - I say "Execution by firing squad" because under military procedures (and the Prez is ALSO in the military, don't forget), if your commander is not carrying out "the mission", then the next in command has the DUTY to ask him to step down...and if he refuses, then it is the duty of those below him to consult and, if necessary, to execute him by firing squad if he refuses to step down. That's the law in the military trenches anyway. The military "mission" was Eisenhower's - Vietnam.
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - The attendant who took JFK out of the coffin at Bethesda said there weren't any brains, so they were always "missing" (as in blown out). The missing evidence you refer to is just one of a long list...yeah, a bullet hit the curb..and one hit the windshield, and one hit Connally and THREE hit JFK and the first one missed altogether...wow, Oswald must have been using a machine gun!! The cleaning of the limo (the crime scene) is obvious coverup evidence! Should be untouched today!!
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - Onassis was ruthless...beat his wives and he hated the Kennedys, especially Bobby. Read "Nemisis" by Evans....amazing stuff. Onassis was banging Lee Randziwill (Jackie's SISTER) and then he's banging Jackie. Lee invited him, at Jackie's request, to the Kennedy family dinner after the JFK funeral on 11/25/63 in the White House. Bobby was REAL surprised to see him there!!
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - There was a (head shot) bullet picked up by a "suit" just past the curb in the infield area, right where a bullet from the picket fence could end up after slowing down when passing through JFK's brain. This was captured on film by a newsman. Also, the missing films shot by bystanders...one from the infield area and one from right in front of the picket fence shooter by a visiting Canadian. He reappeared just a few years ago to tell his tale of a "suit" taking it away from him.
Tomaji69 4 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - I will read that....I also recommend to read "Brothers" (Talbot); "Legacy of Secrecy" (Waldron/Hartman); "Nemisis" (about Onassis) by Evans; and "Conspiracy" (Smith)....there is a TON of evidence (and missing evidence) of conspiracy...has anyone compiled a recent collection of such? Mack Wallace's fingerprints on the boxes, for example (and the FBI denying it was a match, when is was!!)....and the justice dept. NOT investigating JFK's murder when the HSCA asked them to!!
Tomaji69 4 days ago
We see from the WC Report here, that the route straight through Dealey Plaza on Main Street was easy. You see, BOTH Elm & Main traffic was stopped ANYWAY for the motorcade, so this is just a "story" to justify sending JFK into the death gauntlet that was set up for the firing squad. Here it is: "The Elm Street approach to the Stemmons Freeway is necessary in order to avoid the traffic hazards which would otherwise exist if right turns were permitted from both Main and Elm into the freeway...."
Tomaji69 5 days ago
One thing kind of ironic is that JFK and Jackie were traveling together to Texas for a couple of reasons. One was that she DIDN'T go in 1960 because she was pregnant with JFK Jr. and the saddest reason was that they were both trying to move closer emotionally after all the cheating and such...Jackie had been banging Onassis (maybe out of revenge for Jack's cheating). They were perhaps moving to a sweeter place of love in their marriage, who knows?
Tomaji69 5 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - No, you're right, so stick by your guns (no pun intended). It was easy to install curb ramps so the motorcade just stays on Main St.and goes straight onto Stemmens Freeway, but that wouldn't put JFK where the firing squad planners wanted him. One of those planners, btw, was George H.W. Bush. Connally invited JFK to come to Texas (LBJ's best buddy) to bring Lyndon and raise a ton of donation money for the campaign. LBJ had Connally push JFK to come to Texas.
Tomaji69 5 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - yeah, there was a Mauser up there. There is a YouTube where you can see 8 or so cops examining the rifle real close out in the street as a group - then they report the I.D. of that rifle to the press as a Mauser. Then, 1 1/2 days later, they CHANGE it to a Man. Carcano....kind of an OBVIOUS coverup, eh? Obviously, in order to frame Oswald, it had to be his rifle.
Tomaji69 6 days ago
@FalseFlag369 The number of powerful people who wanted "A change in the Executive Branch" was amazing and alarming...nearly everyone around him...LBJ, CIA, FBI, Joint Chiefs, Bankers, Oil Executives, Military Industrial Complex, Onassis, Mafia, Cubans, Nixon...and others! Trying to find the actual shooters is pointless. IMO, it was a well planned black op with Oswald as the patsy (by ordering him into deep cover to report on this weird "cell" in New Orleans).
Tomaji69 6 days ago
@FalseFlag369 - 1. Demmorensheldt was Oswald's INTEL handler...he & Ruth Payne got him the job. Could a "Lone Nut" know ahead of time? 2. Staying on Main Street required curb ramps just past the overpass to get over to the Stemmons Freeway ramp entrance, but that's an easy thing to arrange, rather than having those (restricted) hairpin turns like you say. 3. "Officially", the claim is that JFK called down the rear bumper agents (I think that's bogus). Picket fence gets him anyway!
Tomaji69 1 week ago
ALERT!! - Get THIS...I just researched and found Clint Hill (SS agent who jumped on the limo) saying "I heard a shot and saw JFK reach for his throat, so I started heading for the limo and, before I could get there, TWO more shots were fired, one hitting the President in the head" (paraphrasing, but this is what he said in a YouTube video!!). This means there were only 4.72 seconds for THREE shots to be fired, which is 100% impossible for ONE "lone nut" - thus, MORE THAN ONE SHOOTER!. PERIOD.
Tomaji69 3 weeks ago
This is fake, the crowd is always repeating the same noise.
singeroftheages 4 weeks ago
@singeroftheages - I let your comment post here just to make sure you (and all viewers) understand that I said in the description just below the video box "Approximation of what it might have sounded like". I took actual streets sounds from a video of a city shooting "battle" that happened in a south american country that I found on the internet, because these are ACTUAL rifles firing off in a city setting, with buildings around. I NOW think the last two shots were bang-bang.
Tomaji69 4 weeks ago
One tough thing to imagine is that the bullet hits JFK's head BETWEEN frames & NOT the frame where we say "he's hit now" (red splatter). The Z-film is 1/18 of a second (18 frames/sec). BUT the bullet travels WAY faster!! What we see is a whipping forward of a skull "flap" from the REAR blowout of the head. The bullet blew out the back of the head & WHIPPED this flap, thus the forward splatter and red "flap" we see. If his film was 1000 frames/sec, we would see the back of the skull blow out.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69
I think the Umbrella Man and Dark Complected Man were signalling the driver and agent sitting next to him to slow down so the shooters can get a head shot. I also think the shooters were always trying for a head shot while the car was moving. They just couldn't do it while the car was moving so fast. I agree with @dreadnaught2 that the radios were not being used.
saspurs1965 1 month ago
LOL, everyone knows that you need to open an umbrella to signal a team of assassins that a motorcade that includes a 20 foot long limo is coming. That has got to be a new low in logic, even for you.
dreadnaught2 1 month ago
@dreadnaught2 - You are quite the "thinker". This is Ops Planning 101....the umbrella is the point man with dual-signal....1=The mission is ON if it is UP....2=fire when subject is at this point (the "vortex" of the crossfire). This way, radios are not used to verify mission status. They all knew the motorcade was coming. I believe the umbrella was equipped with a silent pistol in the handle...lower caliber, entry wound. JFK was trying to cough up the bullet.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
holy shit, you may be right man. i just recently found out by the "umbrella man". at first i thought the he was the shooter, but then i saw ur video and IT ALL makes sense. he was the one who signaled the shooters at that point. im really not sure about the seven shooters lol, but u have a GREAT point. thanks for the video.
MegaGibby96 1 month ago
@MegaGibby96 - The umbrella man may have been one of the shooters as well as the "GO" signal. JFK is first hit when he's the closest to the umbrella man (it's also the midpoint for the crossfire). If you focus on the umbrella in the Z-film, you'll notice the umbrella "tracks" JFK by turning clockwise as he passes by. Not normal if simply holding an umbrella as a bystander & I don't believe the fake "umbrella man" with the umbrella magically appearing at the HSCA years later.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
To clarify, I don't think there were 7 shooters, just up to maybe 7 shots overall, from several locations. If the umbrella was equipped with a pistol in the handle, it probably would have been a silencer variety, one shot only, with a periscope site (thus the raising/lowering of the umbrella to line up the eye to the site). Those cloak & dagger devices were used for "walk-by" killings on the sidewalk, if necessary. Poison tips, etc. to insure the kill.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 ohh ok. the umbrella man is really a strange guy. oh and sorry i thought u said there were seven gunmen lol. and thaks for the info
MegaGibby96 1 month ago
Don't know if you're familiar with a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton. Pretty long and technical but goes over the conspiracy from the medical evidence and that the wounds were altered after the body arrived in Washington to show shots from behind instead of the front. Real interesting read. Covers what the Dallas Parkland doctors stated about the wounds and then how the Washington douche bags described completely different wounds or causes.
snag66 1 month ago
@snag66 - Those Drs. also testified in the WC report that the back of JFK's head was blown out. The WC's "solution" was to simply IGNORE this testimony. Did you know that TWO of the WC members REFUSED to sign off on the final report unless they could add a disclaimer that they did not agree with the MBT..? They were told "OK", so they wrote their disclaimers, which were LEFT OUT of the final report (of course).
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@snag66 - Yes, Lifton's book is good & there's a LOT more conspiracy evidence since then. Barr McClelland's book (Blood, Money and Power - how LBJ killed JFK) PROVED that Mac Wallace's fingerprints were on the 6th floor boxes also (he was LBJ's henchman handled by Ed Clark, the most powerful Texas attorney & LBJ's political sidekick). LBJ rewarded Clark with an Ambassadorship. LBJ rewarded his Texas buddies with HUGE Vietnam contracts. LBJ was under investigation & this saved his ass.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - All I have to show is that it was a conspiracy & coverup, NOT to actually "solve" the crime. That's kinda tough to do when Hoover is involved & has all the evidence on his desk, writes his story about Oswald & LBJ creates the WC to bypass Texas or Senate or House investigations (which were going to happen). Listen to Hoover's phone calls with LBJ. The SS agents who said there were many bullets flying into the limo from various locations, etc. (lots of conspiratorial evidence)
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - Yeah, the "recording" information was a mess, but it doesn't matter if you just keep it simple... The last two shots were bang-bang, too close together for one shooter. SS agents said MANY shots were fired into the limo from various positions. The Dr's said the back of JFK's head was blown out. There is NO way the MBT holds up! - AND two WC members wrote COUNTER statements to the MBT for the report, but that was OMITTED!!! Even their OWN members words were covered up!!
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - The HSCA said it was a conspiracy, based on a LOT of things, not just that recording. Funny how "non-conspiracy" freaks hold onto lies because they are so afraid of uncovering the truth. IMO, JFK & the "Kennedy movement" was removed from office. Yes, it's my opinion, based on all my research. They were giving the gov't back to the people...ending the FED, withdrawing from Vietnam, world peace. They would've been in there for 24 years & the world would look way different today.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. And if I told you I could shoot DOWN on you from above with a high powered rifle & hit you 6" below your collar in the back & the bullet makes a hairpin turn, travels up your windpipe, then turns 90 degrees, out your throat leaving only a 1/4" hole, then rips through Connally, breaks ribs & blows out a 2" hole in his chest, then breaks bones in his wrist, then into his thigh & it looks nearly brand new with no blood on it, you'd believe me?
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - OK, now you're lying. I have shown a LOT of supporting evidence of a conspiracy & coverup. Read through these comments & write them down on paper & you'll see them if your eyes are open. You seem to think I have to "solve" the case, when I'm just uncovering that it was a conspiracy & a coverup. Obviously it was. That's why Garrison jumped in - he is a hero. And the HSCA agreed. I think Oswald was an undercover intel agent just doing his job & duped as patsy by rogue planners.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - You don't know what Hunt disclosed? Obviously no research at all (search YouTube, it's there). Remember, conspiracy folks don't have to "solve the case", but just show that it's a conspiracy and/or a coverup. We've done that many times over. Therefore, the REAL story hasn't been solved & probably won't due to the level of the planning and coverup. The picket fence rifle & head shot bullet may be over the mantle in a hunting lodge somewhere in Texas and says "History Maker".
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - Not gonna let you turn this around on ME to prove who did what. All I have to show is ONE thing to indicate it was more than one shooter, or that there were lies forming a coverup. Why is this all I have to show? Because I'm not trying to "solve" the case - I'm just showing it was a conspiracy & a coverup & I've done both of these MANY times over with MANY items of evidence & contradictions & eyewitness accounts. If you believe the W.C. lies, you'd believe anything.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - The HSCA is a "pro-conspiracy" group. They concluded it WAS a conspiracy...so, put that in your pipe & smoke it. You obviously haven't done ANY research. You don't know about E.H. Hunt's disclosures. You don't know that the Dr's all testified in the W.C. report that the back of the head was blown out (but that was ignored). You don't acknowledge the Mauser rifle ALSO found in the TSBD. Mostly you just seem to believe the W.C. report...it just doesn't hold water. Period.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - I challenge you to read back over all my posts. I've shown NUMEROUS contradictions to the W.C. & many very sound facts that show there were more than 3 bullets & higher motives & other players. You know very well a nearly pristine bullet could NOT have done all that is claimed. You KNOW that a bullet traveling DOWN into the back 6 inches BELOW the neck line could NOT have done what is claimed. E. H. Hunt's disclosure. Mac Wallace fingerprints (it's real), Oswald WAS intel, etc.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - I could not say it better myself. EXACTLY why those who question this bullshit coverup MUST keep the faith that justice (now mostly just in the form of the truth & names getting exposed), will happen. I hope you'll read a LOT more than the W.C. report (you seem to accept those "findings" without question). If you ARE as smart as you think you are, then try the OTHER perspective: that it IS a coverup. Look at ALL the research & DISCREPENCIES & missing/altered evidence, etc.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - No, 19% believing it was a "lone nut" do so because they swallowed the coverup and/or it's much easier. It's not an easy thing to see how certain splinter CIA and other power groups can kill JFK and change the course of where the world is going politically and totally get away with it. Well not with me...I'm not letting them get away with it. Since it DID seem to work, that motivated them further to take out MLK & then RFK...maybe others. No, this isn't paranoid.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
The W.C. didn't even view the Zapruder film! Can you imagine you're supposed to investigate a murder & didn't WATCH the crime happen? Also, they didn't look at any autopsy photos, just sketches drawn conveniently WRONG. The back entry wound was 6" BELOW the collar at a DOWNWARD angle. - Now, stand at the mirror & take a look (maybe hold a yardstick at the correct angle) & you'll see it would NEVER do what they claim it did. Connally was hit with a direct shot that missed JFK, plain and simple.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You didn't take into account the 4 degree downward slope on Elm Street. You didn't take into account the physical evidence of the inward direction of the fibers on the back of JFK's jacket and shirt where the bullet entered and the outward direction of the fibers on his shirt collar and tie where the bullet exited.
I'd still like to read your answers to the 5 questions I asked the other day.
autoad 1 month ago
@autoad - No, you lose!...Did you WORK for the W.C.? The "adjusted" slope of the back hit still puts that bullet path downward into JFK's right lung - in fact, the W.C. report screwed up and SAYS that JFK's upper lung was ripped by the bullet, which proves the bullet was WAY lower than the neck. Just like the Dr's testimony saying the BACK of JFK's head was blown out, the W.C. simply IGNORES it so they can coverup the truth - which is WHY the W.C. was created in the first place!
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - As for your 5 questions to hide that you haven't done your research - I'd like to answer a lot of questions, but it's tough with a plot this clever & a cover up at that level. So, presume a coverup and look for their screw ups and PRESTO - it's obvious. The limo getting restored. The impossible MBT. The Dr's all saying the BACK of the head was blown out & the W.C. ignoring that. The BACK bullet (shot #3) into the lung. The 1/4" neck ENTRY wound (and Hoover LYING about it).
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - The W.C. is Exhibit A in the coverup "case". There are many motives that members of the gov't, joint chiefs, bankers, oil men, mafia, Brown & Root, etc. wanted a "change in the executive branch". Certainly LBJ, to save his ass - he was going DOWN big time. CIA, NSC, Joint Chiefs, Hoover - all justified it as JFK is a "loose cannon". He was, after all, smoking pot & doing acid with Mary Meyers & his "world peace" view was too "communist" for all those hawks who surrounded him.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - You know what....I want YOU to tell all of us the list of books you've read to do your research to CONCLUDE that it was just Oswald....come on, what books have you read?? My list is over 100 books and lots and lots of videos, talk groups and thousands of hours thinking it through. Almost NOTHING "fits" the scenario of a lone nut just wandering into town....think about it. Put some pieces together and THINK. Did you hear the LBJ/Hoover phone talks? - & lots more..dig...dig!
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@autoad - You're funny! The W.C. was hired ONLY to CONCLUDE "It was Oswald, because Hoover said so" - and you pray to that book every night before you go to bed, rather than doing research. 89% say it was NOT a "lone nut". Why? Because there's a TON of evidence if you look deeper - not some loner who wandered into town with his six shooter & rifle in hand. The Kennedys were killed because they were giving the country back to the citizens and working for world peace. No profits in that.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@dreadnaught2 - The autopsy LIED about the back of JFK's head to fit the (coverup) "story". If you return the rear skull "flaps" back into place & clean up the area, you could create that picture where you see a small hole where the bullet EXITED as it blew the skull plates out with the (slower moving) brains behind it. On impact, brain matter flicked FORWARD & UP as these "skull flaps" flipped quickly outward (like flicking your wrist to splash water on somebody).
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 ...sorry but the Zapruder film shows the direction of brain matter spraying in a forward and up motion as consistent with an exiting bullet. Your splash water anology has no place in the SCIENCE of balistics.
dreadnaught2 1 month ago
@dreadnaught2 - There are reasons the brain matter sprays up & forward, but there was DEFINITELY a shot from the FRONT that blew through his head, driving it violently back & to the left, lifting his torso up & almost OVER the back of the seat (watch that). We all learned when we were kids that if you hit something, it goes goes in the direction you hit it, not the other way. A head shot from the rear would blow Jackie's face off & blow out JFK's face! - It's just SO OBVIOUS.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@dreadnaught2 - WRONG! The Parkland Doctors ALL testified that the BACK of JFK's head was blown out. That means it's 100% FACT (and exposes the autopsy lies). The W.C. printed what they said, but then (of course) IGNORED it so they could blame the patsy. You're a sucker to believe that report - only 19% believe the "lone nut" LIE. Too much trouble to say "Someone shot from the front" - then, they'd have to actually investigate to figure it all out and WHY the autopsy was fixed.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 ...your statement...."The Parkland Doctors ALL testified that the BACK of JFK's head was blown out." is not true and if you believe it you have ignored their actual statements.
dreadnaught2 1 month ago
@autoad OK, let's add up the bullets. The first one missed (the girl stops running). The throat hit from the front. JFK's back hit right after he lunges forward, knocking JFK out & he starts to slump toward Jackie. The windshield is hit. The head shot. Connally is hit with a shot. The bystander is apparently hit from a curb fragment from another miss. This is 6 or 7 shots if you let go of the LIE that all the shots came (unbelievably) from ONE point.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 - Also, if the head shot came from behind (the biggest lie of all), then it would have blown OUT the FRONT of JFK's head (his face) & would have undoubtedly blown Jackie's head apart also, since she was right in the line of fire. High powered bullets like that don't bounce around the brain, they just blow them out, we all know that. Also, he wouldn't have been driven BACK & almost over the top of the back of the seat! A REAL new autopsy would uncover the whole evil plot.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@dreadnaught2 - I'm certain it was a conspiracy & coverup, so I don't believe the W.C. report. It's purpose was to mislead the public & here you are doing exactly that. Look at all the many OTHER sources & then you'll see all the amazing conflicts to the W.C. & the "autopsies" and, most importantly, the many MOTIVES to get rid of the Kennedys. You see, they were about giving our government back to the people & world peace & would be "in power" for many decades. No profit in that.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@fsnfnd - This IS the Zapruder film but now I wish I'd used the "stable" version perhaps. The reason it jumps from the two cops to the motorcade is Zapruder shot a "test strip" first to be sure the camera was working, then he shot the motorcade. Those two lead cops were out there as the "scouts" prior to the motorcade advancing....standard stuff.
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@autoad - This is a stupid claim of "not a shred of evidence". Listen up, there is a TON of evidence of multiple shooters, conspiracy and coverup...a TON of evidence. If you read what I say, this is MY approximation of the shots. The FIRST shot (even according to the WC) missed everything (where the little girl stops running) - so, yes, JFK is still waving. Then a volley of shots at the umbrella (sounds like ONE to most witnesses). Then 2 almost simultaneously for the head shot.
Tomaji69 2 months ago
something that I never heard about JFK is how much love Jackeline had for him, in no momemt she try to sava herself from those shoots, any normal person will ruan away, or cover herself in some way. But she embrace him . So much love.
mukundananda 2 months ago
@mukundananda - Instinctively, JFK is trying to get down for cover, but Jackie is holding him up to inquire about what's wrong (see how she gets in his face asking "what's wrong honey", or something?) - if only she would have helped him get down into her lap toward the floor, he might have lived. But with a bullet in his back and another in his throat. I think the bullet in his back traveled down into his thorax and may have punctured his heart, who knows? A new autopsy??
Tomaji69 2 months ago
At :31, you can clearly see a railroad man's helmet in the bushes before the camera pans to the picket fence..can't really detect a rifle but why would someone be standing in the bushes anyway? If you look at the Altgens photo (the colorized), you can clearly see someone wearing the same type of helmet. Also, in the badgeman photo too. I'm guessing they are spotters for the shooters.
6021diesel 3 months ago
@6021diesel - He's not actually IN the bushes, he's between Zapruder and those bushes. He's just a dude watching it all from there. Mac Wallace had been up on the 6th floor moving boxes (100% proof from FINGERPRINT ID)...he was LBJ's henchman and was handled by Ed Clark, LBJ's lawyer in Austin. Obviously JFK's head was hit from the FRONT - any moron simply watching the Z film in real time can tell. It almost drives him up and over the back of the seat!! I bet his neck was broken..?)
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@Tomaji69 Ok..I'll give you that. All I was saying was that there seems to be alot of RR workers all around the Plaza and watching or as I like to say "Spotting"..Plus, I'm saying that LHO wasn't the only one shooting..Whether it was Wallace as you say, LHO was I think apart of the plot and maybe took a shot from a window, but he wasn't the only one and he was clearly set up to take the fall for the whole plot.
6021diesel 2 months ago
@6021diesel - If Oswald was part of the plot (and we know he was an intel agent), then he would NOT have said "I'm a patsy"...he would have taken the fall & said "I did it" or would have said nothing at all until he was told what to say. He was just a "marksman" status (the LOWEST grade) & not qualified to be the primary shooter. If he was a "lone nut", he would have fired when JFK was 100 feet below him, BEFORE the turn. My Grandmother could hit him between the eyes from there!
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@Tomaji69 I agree with everything you're saying however, I think when LHO said that he was a "patsy", then he was a marked man..He knew too much and about the plotters and had to be eliminated. We already know LHO had CIA ties and was being handled by David Atlee Phillips and George DeMorenschildt..In my opinion, LHO was apart of the "plot"and may have infiltrated it and was being set up from the get go because of his Russian and Cuban ties. He was the perfect scapegoat.
6021diesel 2 months ago
The only area that i have not seen, to be investigated is the follow up car in the front that the chif ewas in, a sniper in the boot for the first shot ? My opinion, it was done before, have a look at the film, the car is sitting under the overpass as the JFK SS-100-X pick's up speed, why is it there and where are the 2 police Bikes at the start of the Z Film. ? RIP JFK, also let's not forget the JFK's Dad made Million's wwith the Mafia in the Hay day.?
7071t6 5 months ago
@7071t6 - The CIA used Mafia people a lot for certain operations & this was true here also, because if the "Oswald did it" failed, they would pin it on the Mafia. The plan was to sacrifice ONE intel operative (Oswald) as the patsy. ONE volley of simultaneous fire from several shooters (then, there'd be ONE casing found upstairs!). But shooters don't fire at EXACTLY the same time - JFK hit in throat, lunges forward & hit in back as another misses. Thus, the picket fence "safety" shot.
Tomaji69 2 months ago
You can the President's wife, the President himself, and the driver, react as the first round strikes Kennedy in the throat.
o0soda0o 5 months ago
@o0soda0o Connally reacts too...it's hard to tell for sure when he got shot with that DIRECT HIT...
Tomaji69 4 months ago
@Tomaji69 - I think now that Connally was shot by a MISS from the rear just after the picket fence head shot - thus, the two nearly simultaneous shots witnesses testify about. Notice the position of his body when JFK is hit in the head? A miss of JFK's head from the rear could have hit Connally at that point. This all happens in 6 seconds remember, but we have replay and stop-frame and slow-motion to look at.
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@o0soda0o - Yeah, they all flinch, especially Connally - I think he was hit from the rear by a MISS just after the picket fence head shot. Notice that Connally is positioned just right at that time - where a bullet missing JFK's head could hit him under his right armpit, blow through his right lung and out his nipple area, then into his right wrist and deflect out and into his thigh. Many fragments were removed during his surgery, so there was no "pristine" bullet.
Tomaji69 2 months ago
Who is the man holding the rifle on the far right, in the final frames of the real film?
/watch?v=-Zhb2zRQ2JY
He is clearly visible, he is clearly holding a rifle.
o0soda0o 5 months ago
@o0soda0o - what man holding a rifle? What FRAME are you talking about?
Tomaji69 2 months ago
These Evil LBJ statements WE believe refers to the murder of JFK
"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"
YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv
LBJ Evil joke about JFK
"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"
cruisersism 5 months ago
@cruisersism - Please post your source for the quote by LBJ "I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"...obviously, this sounds like someone made it up, or it's what Madeline Duncan Brown (one of LBJ's mistresses) said that LBJ said to her...(?). thanks
Tomaji69 5 days ago
To start learning about the audio evidence look at ECHO CORRELATION ANALYSIS by Don Thomas, it has MANY errors but he got one thing right, there was a 5th shot the HSCA didn't count. Then you have to correct the HSCA's other errors. How could all these people get so much wrong? Every one of these "scientists" tries to make the faked US Gov't evidence work with valid info. Don Thomas believes in the SBT so he tries to make 5 shots work with SBT, that is idiotic. See my video TWILIGHT ZONE instead
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - SBT is so absurd. A silly STORY to pin it on Oswald - who was an undercover agent waiting in the break room while the bust went down after all his hard work - he is actually a hero who was used as the patsy - very clever plan by Hoover, Dulles and associates! Did you know 2 or 3 members of the WC quit the commission due to the absurdity of the SBT...?! Yes, they went public on it too. Throat shot was an entrance wound - 100% known by expert eyewitness DOCTORS at Parkland.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - there were 6-7 shots IMO. The audio experts at the House investigation said that was probably the case, but that there were FOR SURE 4 shots. The plan was for all to be fired at the point when subject gets to the umbrella man (the signal of "mission on"). The early shot that missed everything was maybe a misfire of someone getting into final position. Where Hoover and WC kind of blew it, is that they COULD have said there was NO early shot, thus no need for the SBT.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
The eternal flame is alive in my heart.
The bankers didn't like JFK because he ordered the treasury to print $ instead of the Federal Reserve (the scam alive today because JFK was killed).
JFK reduced the oil depletion allowance, which made Hunt & his buddies mad!
The CIA and FBI wanted him dead because he wanted honesty and accountability (& JFK & RFK exposing it all the next week).
The hawk generals wanted JFK gone because he wouldn't nuke Cuba!!
Research Madelaine Duncan Brown also!!
Tomaji69 1 year ago
Hoover was EVIL and blackmailed the Kennedy's to put LBJ on the ticket in 1960. Then, Hoover plotted to get rid of JFK. Bobby had been sending Life magazine the story on LBJ murders and corruption and it was to be the Life COVER STORY the week of Nov. 25th, 1963....yep, they HAD to kill JFK before it was too late. There was a Congressional hearing on LBJ the day JFK was shot. It was a MUST KILL for the dark evil ones! LBJ was a monster. Texas turned Republican immediately after Dallas.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
Did you say JFK "deserved" it?
You're nuts!
JFK was trying to FIX America and give it back to the people instead of the secret societies and power brokers (notice what's happening NOW?).
He pushed for world peace and space exploration, education, elimination of poverty and ending taxing the income of the working class.
Those right wing secret societies he warned us about (search on that) decided to start shooting liberals to take over the country.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
You did get LBJ and Hoover right though. They were the only two scumbags who could have hidden BANG-BANG from the public which obviously proves conspiracy.
They had to alter the body
They had to alter the Z film
They had to change witness' testimony
They had to pressure witnesses to SHUT UP, some didn't listen and paid with their life
They had to have cooperation from WC Gerald Ford, he was well rewarded
Arlen Specter also was rewarded
etc.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
Life magazine altered the frame sequences in their printing. The film was NEVER shown to the Warren Commission or the public, until Garrison showed it in court...even then, the public at large never saw it. WHY?...because it's OBVIOUS that the head shot came from the FRONT, that's why!! It had to be covered up. Any evidence that Hoover got, he controlled, but the loose ends were a problem.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
Ed Clark (LBJ's lawyer/partner in crime), had LBJ create the WC to keep Texas from investigating the crime (see Blood, Money and Power - How LBJ killed JFK)...this book gives us a HUGE piece of evidence by matching the unknown fingerprint in the sniper's nest with Mack Wallace, who was LBJ's henchman who killed a bunch of people for the LBJ machine in Texas! He was part of the Sol Estes crimes, etc.....do the research. Ford was the FBI MOLE. Dulles was the CIA mole - on the WC.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 You are right on about Ford, Dulles, LBJ and Hoover. To solve this crime all you have to do is LISTEN to the witnesses, they tell you what happened.
Here's what's important today. Jamie Gorelick was the mole on the 9/11 Commission just like Ford was on the Warren Commission. She steered the committee away from the truth. IF they could fool the Press about JFK, 9/11 was easy to fool the press again.
The truth about 9/11 is just as simple as the truth in the JFK "mystery".
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
Yes, trust witnesses and NOT Spector or other lawyers in D.C. working some cover-up scheme (led by Hoover and Dulles. Nixon was one of their "Players"....he was deep into the Mafia for example...back in the late 40's Jack Ruby worked as an "assistant" to Nixon (true!). Also, Nixon's first action as President was to pardon Hoffa...!! And he was all about continuing the war, even though elected on a promise to end it. Another monster, as we all saw. They killed Bobby - it was Nixon's turn.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
Look at the witnesses AND look at what's MISSING...if you investigate a CONSPIRACY, it's the flip of "normal" process. Missing and cleaned evidence: the limo being cleaned when it NEVER should have been; the missing Mauser rifle (Roger Craig witness); the missing bullets (one picked up in the infield that was probably the head shot); the missing "tramps"; the missing Oswald interrogation tapes (you KNOW they taped those!); everything was sent to HOOVER, so he just put it on his desk and....
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 They killed Bobby K because if the Warren Comm had been examined truthfully, they would have hung Hoover and LBJ before they died naturally. The truth is too big to let out of the bag, it's much easier to lie. Sure many wanted the Kennedy's out of the way but only LBJ and Hoover had control of the investigations. Killing both Kennedys was EASY, the cover up was the hard part. There was a massive hole in the back of JFK's head, that EXACTLY matches the last 2 shots 0.7 seconds apart.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - The first of those last two shots hit Connally (missing JFK's head as he slumped to his left), then the JFK head shot from the front as Jackie held him and the car was almost at a stop!, then Connally dives to the floor and the driver takes off once he sees the mission is complete! It's clear that Connally falls backwards toward Nellie the instant he is hit with the DIRECT shot that missed JFK's head from behind. The limo was IMMEDIATELY restored, rather than kept for evidence.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - Here's a "magic bullet theory".....fire a shot in Dallas and have it pass through JFK's head, then it turns magically and passes through MLK in Memphis 5 years later, then it goes west and passes through RFK's head a couple months later, then it flies east, stopping in mid air for over three decades, then it flies into the twin towers making them collapse like NO steel buildings have ever done in the history of the world, then it destroys building 7! Wow, how did it do all that?
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - You're right, and there's lots of proof of all this....we need to pull it all together, as many pieces came to light in only the last few years.
One thing nobody seems to bring up that is OBVIOUS (maybe that's why??) is that if JFK was hit in the head from behind, then it would have blown out the FRONT of his face somewhere (probably hitting Jackie, since her head was right in line with the TSBD. That shot would have blown out JFK's left eye, nose and cheek area. Obviously NOT.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - Yes, a BANG-BANG is NOT from ONE shooter. Any THOUGHT of a conspiracy would lead to.....THEM....!!!!!! So, job ONE was to make sure the "story" was ONE SHOOTER, no matter how ridiculous! Hitler once said, "The bigger the lie, the more people believe it". Look at 911....buildings perfectly intact from the ground up collapse from weight they've been supporting for years! Steel buildings NEVER do that!! That's why THOUSANDS of engineers want an investigation!
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - Ford was the FBI "mole" on the WC....and, yes, he viewed this as expedient toward higher office. The Z film didn't need altering, it was hidden from view forever...it was the American HERO Jim Garrison, who entered it into evidence...and, even THEN, it was not in the public view for some time. The WC did NOT view it...can you imagine? Just watch it REAL TIME & it's OBVIOUS JFK was hit from the FRONT, throwing his body backward, up & over the top of the seat & out over the trunk.
Tomaji69 8 months ago
@Tomaji69 A sizeable number of Witnesses heard BANG-BANG, two shots very close together. The first of those two hit JFK in head, obviously fired from in front and the second hit Connally in the back, bending him violently over. SEARCH for ZAPRUDER STABLILIZED and watch Kennedy shot in the head but this time watch Connally bent over by the force of the bullet that hit him in the back.
Starting with BANG-BANG, you can solve this murder. The shot sequence described here is INCORRECT.
SCGATOR2001 8 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 - What I have here is a "bang bang", just may not be the bang-bang you are thinking of. This is academic really because my version AND yours is clear to come from TWO rifles. Connally said he turned his head to the right to look for JFK and then got hit just as he started turning his head back to his left. He also said that when JFK got head shot, he dove to the floor. I see him in anguish falling backward toward Nellie after getting hit, so that's why I laid that shot sound there.
Tomaji69 8 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 - I think now that Connally WAS hit just after the head shot, from a direct "miss" from behind meant to hit JFK, but his head jerked back quickly out of the way, or whatever. The thing is that nobody has to come up with the EXACT sequence of timing of bullets to KNOW there were many bullets. Why else clean up the limo instead keeping it INTACT (even today!!). The bullet picked up in the infield was the head shot (from the knoll) IMO...missing evidence (of course).
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@Tomaji69
I used to think that but after listening to Connally's interviews I think it was just a coincidence that he lost consciousness at the same time as the JFK head shot. But who knows. I think as many as 11 shots were fired, Three 2-man teams at 3rd floor Dal-Tex building, TSBD (one on the roof), and the grassy knoll. Everybody got off 2 shots except the head shot guy who saw his work was done after only one.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 2 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood - Yeah, the shooters were not very good - they MISSED...!! That's why the safety shot from the picket fence was necessary. Too many people said there were 3 shots for there to be 11, but there was the first one that missed...then 2-4 simultaneously at the umbrella...then because they missed, there were 2 simultaneous at the head shot timing....we DON'T have to get all the shots correct! - It's just OBVIOUSLY a conspiracy and still no justice!!
Tomaji69 2 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 Just curious, what compensation did Arlen Specter receive, as you state, he was "rewarded.... ", what part did he play in this conspiracy?? and what did he receive? Money, position in the congress, what?? Real answer now, please don't delete my comment unless you have some realistic answer! thanks, just one person trying to understand your comments...
91fatboy51 2 months ago
@91fatboy51 I allowed your post, but your question is for SCGATOR2001, so I'll let them field it. I personally think that Specter was TOLD that the lone-nut & three bullet story was THE STORY & it was his JOB to make that happen. If JFK and Connally were hit by DIFFERENT bullets, then they were too close together to be from ONE lone nut, thus the "MBT"...one bullet did the work of 3. His story: first shot missed (#1), then the magic bullet (#2) and then the head shot (#3).
Tomaji69 2 months ago
Z326, that works out to be about 0.7 seconds after Z313. Watch a COMPUTER STABILIZED Z film, then it becomes OBVIOUS that Connally was slammed forward and was bent over by the bullet to his back.
If you don't believe me, look up Roy Kellerman's Warren Commission testimony. He says the last shots were a FLURRY/ BANG-BANG.
I'll give you another hint, the OTHER WAY TO MEASURE THE SHOT SPACING ALSO shows the last shots were 0.7 sec apart. Watch my video TWILIGHT ZONE if you can't figure it out
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
This is my estimate of how it went down, don't get too technical because you can't tell everything from the Z film, it had no sound. We all know there was the first shot that missed (the running girl stops running at that sound)...then the flurry at the umbrella man, where JFK is shot in the throat, lunges forward causing a shot down from TSBD to miss the top of his head and lodge into his back and another rear shot missed his head, hitting the metal above the windshield, another hit the curb.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 You do know that the Z film AND the acoustical evidence MATCH EXACTLY, don't you? Actually you don't because in your earlier replies to me YOU showed you were GUESSING, you were NOT using evidence that clearly shows exactly what happened.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
If you're speaking of the "radio dispatch" (open motorcycle mic) thing, it's pretty unclear in several respects. Mostly, it's a bunch of noise and you can't distinguish any "reports" really. Acoustical experts testified there were "peaks" they thought were shots...that led to the acoustical tests later as part of the House hearings on assassinations. Also, those dispatch recordings and Z film are analog & don't run on "exact" timing...but I'm open...where's a link to that recording?
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 Look at the stabilized Z film, Connally immediately after the head shot is slammed forward THEN HE IS PULLED OVER INTO Nellie's lap. She could not and did not slam John Connally forward starting at Z325, it was THE FORCE OF THE BULLET that bent John Connally over. Listen to the witnesses, not the Warren Comm, not Bugliosi. Some are lying, some are idiots, You can sort them out. I just know LISTEN TO THE WITNESSES and you can know the truth!
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - I see BOTH Connally's DIVING to the floor a split second after the head shot. He had just fallen backward into Nellie's lap from the direct shot that ripped through him - MAN, that must have HURT....!! Ripped a baseball size exit hole just below his right nipple! Same thing should have happened to JFK's face if he had been shot from behind. Obviously the head shot was from the fence. I believe the eyewitnesses and NOT the suits covering it up. Maybe we can summarize all this...?
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - have the last two shots as bang-bang. My problem is just WHERE did the throat shot come from? I think it was either from an umbrella gun (was used as the signal if up AND maybe also as a silent gun, perhaps shooting poison small caliber bullet..? Those existed back then in the CIA. Also, it looks amazing like Jack Ruby standing next to the umbrella man - weird. G.H.W. Bush was there, near the TSDB, mafia guys as spectators. Ruby worked for Nixon in the late 40's in D.C.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 Patience. Don't jump ahead too fast, take it one at a time, start with BANG-BANG (JFK head shot followed 0.7 seconds later by the shot to Connally's back, Z313 then Z325) Explain ALL the wounds to those two men that those two shots COULD POSSIBLY have caused. This exercise is a lot harder than you would at first think!
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 - Connally was shot as his head turns back to the left, which is at approx. Z296 - you're waiting WAY too late to think Connally was hit AFTER the head shot...he's already lying down in Nellie's lap by then....way after he turned his head. He starts falling toward Nellie after he's hit in frame 296 (that's WHY he is falling toward Nellie - he's HIT..!! The bang-bang thing is still correct, just wrong order of guys hit. I show shots at the approx timings according to Connally.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@Tomaji69 Connally is going STRAIGHT FORWARD at Z326 when he is hit. Connally does not start going to the left until after Z326. Connally said the shot to his back bent him over, he is NOT bent over until after Z326.
If you look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE at 8:50 you'll see Connally blasted forward AFTER JFK is shot in the head, it is apparent, it is OBVIOUS. Connally was NOT falling toward Nellie until AFTER the rapid movement forward starting 0.7 seconds after JFK is shot in the head.
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 no "TWILIGHT ZONE" found on your account...please post a link to it or the correct name or whatever is going on. Interested in seeing what you're referring to. Thanks for the intelligent analysis discussion.
Tomaji69 8 months ago
@SCGATOR2001 - Depends on what "bent over" means...technically, he NEVER "bends over", but his belly probably convulses when he was hit by the near-fatal blow that smashes through his right lung and ribs, wrist and thigh...quite and impact. He grimaces and falls backward after having turned to look for JFK, so that's why I THINK that's where he got hit. Either way, was from multiple rifles. There were 4 or 5 shooters IMO. Dal Tex, TSBD, Umbrella, Picket Fence
Tomaji69 8 months ago
You missed one of the BIGGEST CLUES a witness gives you. Connally insisted he turned to look over his right shoulder and then as he was turning back to look over his left shoulder he was struck in the back and "the force of the bullet BENT ME OVER."
Look at the film, watch Connally turn almost all the way around to look at JFK, do you think he had a serious back wound when he did this? That is just plain ridiculous.
Instead listen to him, he was bent over AFTER JFK was shot in the head.Z326
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
I have Connally being shot just before the head shot, look and listen again. He said he had looked all the way to his right, then was turning back around to his left when he was hit. That is 100% accurate as an EXPERT witness....I would know best when I was shot, so Connally is 100% correct and that shows in the film...when he's hit, it drives him down into Nellie's lap and then the head shot to JFK from the fence as the "safety shot", as Connally then dives to the floor. See notes in video.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
I don't have Connally getting hit until just before the head shot...watch & listen again. The flurry of shots at the umbrella man do not hit Connally yet. Connally turned from Democrat to Republican after Dallas, as did the other big money politicians in Texas...so this state (i live in Austin) is controlled by right wing assholes. Ed Clark controlled the Texas political scene. You must read Blood, Money and Power - How LBJ killed JFK. The way it's written is not good, but important....!!
Tomaji69 1 year ago