Congress is a ship of fools. They keep right on spending us right into bankruptcy, the most incompetent Congress in American history. They indulge freely in fiscal insanity and it is nothing but sheer selfishness! What a selfish leadership it is that would pass on even higher and more monstrous debt to its own children! There is no excuse for it. The American people should rise up and toss them out of office.
There's much history & information + many perspectives
2 comprehend a mechanism for 1's self & communicate 1's understanding 2 others won't always yield agreement. Neither will it necessarily B accurate [or inaccurate]
It's a process of unfolding understanding [personal & collective]
Knowledge gained 2day is built on knowledge gained [or dismantled] yesterday. Knowledge gained 2morrow will B built on knowledge gained [or dismantled] 2day.
Also, as Farrell explains, colonial script was non-interest bearing fiat currency drawn upon the wealth & credit of the entire nation. It was designed to facilitate value for value exchanges in the market place, not profit for BANKSTERS. It was covertly undermined & inflated by British Agents who counterfeited & spread colonial script in an attempt to debase & destroy the new currency. In spite of their best efforts, the colonials won the war, although colonial script had been made worthless.
@MillionthUsername - Down to name calling are we? Obviously, as was previously explained the value of colonial scrip had been collapsed by the end of the revolutionary war. As for the value of gold & silver coinage, this is another matter, which can also be discussed. There are coins worth more, but have you checked on the web for the value of some of the old paper dollars lately? And how much are THEY worth? How about a choice uncirculated 1869 $1.00 United States Note? Try $2,350.00!
@Elazar40 "but have you checked on the web for the value of some of the old paper dollars lately"
You are such a serious nutbag that I am going to end the torture here and not attempt to communicate with you anymore. You are telling me here that your fiat crap money paper "dollars" are worth $2,350.00 now because the currency blew up 150 years ago and the remaining ones have value as rarities? You show yourself to be utterly incapable of any rational exchange. You're an absolute jackass.
@MillionthUsername - By the way, just located a November 29, 1775 $2.00 colonial script, selling for "1,250.00." So, although colonial scrip was made worthless by the end of the war, today as a collectable, colonial scrip is worth far more than its original face value. The first US silver dollar was minted in 1794. Prior to this was the Spanish "eight real piece" known as a "Piece Of Eight," mainly struck in Mexico & in circulation among the thirteen colonies prior to, & after, independence.
Cont... - "the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending... will bear its burdens without complaint." And as united states President James Garfield proclaimed in 1881, "Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is the absolute master of all industry & commerce... And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate"
An understanding of money, both real & FACSIMILE, is key to the future of freedom. But to see what we are up against, refer to this quote from Ellen Brown's WEB OF DEBT - "A private communication from a Rothschild investment house in London to an associate banking firm in New York dated June 25, 1863, confided, "The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or dependent upon its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while, on the other," Cont...
In a footnote to, BABYLON'S BANKERS, Farrell writes, "If there is one book the reader should read about the history of privately-issued debt money vs state issued credit money, this book, "WEB OF DEBT: The Shocking Truth about Our Money System & How We Can Break Free," is it. It is thoroughly documented & well-written. Brown - excels at exposing the fallacious assumptions of many that a mere return to the "gold standard" would resolve the problem - Bullion itself is subject to manipulation."
For those interested in research, the following are well documented resources - "The Creature From Jekyll Island," by Edward Griffin - "Tragedy & Hope" by Carroll Quigley - "Web Of Debt: The Shocking Truth about Our Money System & How We Can Break Free," by Ellen Hodgson Brown - "Promise To Pay," by R. McNair Wilson - "The Coming Battle: A Complete History of the National Banking Money Power in the United States," by Martin Wetzel Walbert - And of course "BABYLON'S BANKSTERS," by Joseph Farrell.
Both Lincoln's greenbacks & earlier colonial script were "forced" from circulation. So, they weren't given a chance to prove themselves. I believe Joseph Farrell explains how gold served as a window through which the PRIVATE BANKSTERS introduced their PRIVATELY coined interest bearing currency. See, "BABYLON'S BANKSTERS: The Alchemy of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion." PRIVATE or PIRATE gold backed receipt currency enabled fractionalized banking in America. Consciousness is good.
@romanbeing - Another short but excellent book is "Promise to Pay," an inquiry into the principles and practice of the latter-day magic called sometimes high finance, by R. McNair Wilson. I believe if you do a search, you will find it on the web available for immediate download. Also, "The Coming Battle" By M.W. Walbert may also provide you with additional information. The war between PRIVATE & public currency has been with us through the ages, reaching all the way back to Babylon herself.
@Elazar40 "gold served as a window through which the PRIVATE BANKSTERS introduced their PRIVATELY coined interest bearing currency"
That's ridiculous. Gold is just a commodity. It doesn't have an agenda. It doesn't know what a banker is, and it doesn't force anybody to do anything. You need to make a distinction between money and those who attempt to control money through the use of gov't force. It is the state which allows and subsidizes the manipulation and monopolization of money, not gold.
I am quite familiar with "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES," banking history in America & THE UNITED STATES. The current Government is not an American government, but a PRIVATELY held CORPORATION administered by appointed OFFICERS. The most successful mediums of exchange in America were colonial script, torpedoed by the British Crown, & Lincoln's greenbacks which financed the civil war, free of extortionist rates of BANKSTER INTEREST. Gold, although an intrinsic repository of wealth, has a hidden downside.
"and though indeed no system is perfect, attempt to fix what is not working"
Colonial script or greenbacks were not around long enough to prove themselves as stable & permanent. I'm sure challenges with those forms of currency would reveal themselves given enough time.
I don't think any form of currency could ever emerge that would be perfect.
The real challenge for humanity does not lie in money, law or taxes, but in consciousness.
@Elazar40 You forgot the Continental, which had its run and demonstrated what the Greenback also demonstrated a century later: All fiat currencies eventually reach their intrinsic value- Zero.
All of them.
The only answer that has ever worked is a currency entirely separated from political control.
Leave people alone, they choose commodity currencies like gold and silver. As modern systems deal with multiple national currencies, we can deal the same way with different commodity currencies.
There are only two types of currency or money, public & PRIVATE. There are bankers & BANKSTERS. The current FEDERAL RESERVE is a branch of an INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL that issues PRIVATE INTEREST bearing currency that accrues to the benefit of the BANKERS, whereas a currency or money issued through the public treasury, accrues to the benefit of the people. Think of currency as "will," i.e., the Corporate WILL of the BANKSTERS or the moral & ethical will of the people. Which would you prefer?
@Elazar40 "a currency or money issued through the public treasury, accrues to the benefit of the people"
The monopolization of money comes through gov't force. Why are you trying to contrast "public" monopoly money with "private" as if there is something sinister about a private currency? A private issuer has no monopoly power in a free society. They only have their reputation and the quality of their product to recommend them. Monopoly is the enemy of sound money, not private issuers.
@MillionthUsername - If you're into reading, I suggest you read Joesph Farrells new book, BABYLON'S BANKSTERS: The Alchemy Of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion. For your information, THE FEDERAL RESERVE is a PRIVATE BANK, that has surreptitiously captured a MONOPOLY control over the currency of America. So your point is well taken, a PRIVATE MONOPOLY of the power to create a FACSIMILE of money, is the enemy of sound money & hijacks both the political & economic will of the people.
@Elazar40 The Fed was created by congress, which is why your attempt to contrast "public" with "private" money is ill-conceived.
The solution to state created and enforced monopolies is the free market. Money is a market phenomenon. The private issuance of currency is no more a threat to liberty than the private production of all other goods and services in society.
I get the impression that the people you are referencing advocate state monopoly money and not a free market.
@MillionthUsername - Simply stated, public money represents the currency or will of the people. It is issued by the government & not by an INTERNATIONAL PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, of which THE FEDERAL RESERVE is an extention. What you refer to as a "free market" is not a "fair" market, wherein producers of wealth engage in value for value exchange, & own the fruits of their labor. Under the FED, all labor is factored into Corporate Accounting as a "cost," rather than as a human asset of production.
@MillionthUsername - To learn about how the PRIVATELY held INTEREST bearing CURRENCY was surreptitiously imposed upon the united states, read, "Creature From Jekyll Island," by Edward Griffin. Public money represents the moral & ethical conscience of the people, because unlike FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, it is issued by a publically accountable national bank, as in a national currency or "Treasury Note," rather than a PRIVATELY controlled & un-accountable FEDERAL RESERVE & its INTEREST bearing NOTES.
@Elazar40 THe GOVERNMENT imposed what you call a "privately held" currency. But they call it "public" currency. Since you want the GOVERNMENT to create monopoly money, why are you complaining about what the GOVERNMENT has done?
I'm only saying all this because you are confusing public and private. You seem to be advocating the same kind of gov't monopoly that you say you oppose, and at the same time disparaging the free market. You seem incapable of making the proper distinctions.
@MillionthUsername - Public "money" was in circulation prior to the American revolution, during the revolution, during the civil war in the North, and for a short time during the JFK administration. PRIVATE MONEY, which is referred to as a "FACSIMILE" of real money, in each instance, was used to debase & displace public currency. Whereas the treasury of the united states was available for audit and a public accounting, the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE believes it is beyond such public concerns.
@Elazar40 Once again, you make absolutely no sense with your use of "private," and you seem to have no historical knowledge of how gov't has continually debased its money since the beginning of time. Your gov't fiat currencies have all gone to zero.
How the hell is private money a "facsimile"? A coin is a coin is a coin. Private mints make coins all the time.
Where was the Treasury in 1913? The Congress? The President? Where have they been for 100 years?
@MillionthUsername - You are either ignorant, or running confusion. I suspect the latter. And just in case you are ignorant, NORFED, which coined a private currency referred to as the Liberty Dollar, created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company, has recently been raided & shut down by the FBI & Secret Service. So, where are your "private mints mak[ing] coins all the time?" Also, NORFED'S website has been shut down by "Court Order." Why do you suppose this is?
@Elazar40 You take the persecution of NotHaus to mean that people are incapable of making coins, or that making coins is evil? What the hell are you trying to say here?
Do you support the gross violation of liberty which has been visited upon NotHaus? Then why the hell are you here trying to act like you're some kind of monetary reformer? You seem to be nothing but another statist authoritarian proposing another gov't ponzi scheme.
@MillionthUsername- You argue dishonestly. No where have I even inferred "people are incapable of making coins" or that "making coins is evil." These are your words, & they are an intentional misrepresentation of my words. A "statist authoritarian proposing another gov't ponsi scheme" am I? Are you sure you're reading my posts? if you would have had the good sense to ask rather than posture with unjustified conjecture & inuendo, you may have informed yourself. However, this is not your purpose.
@Elazar40 You trashed gold. You trashed private currency. You said private currency was a "facsimile". I pointed out that private mints make coins. You responded by saying that since the gov't just persecuted NotHaus for making coins, that this somehow (how?) argues against private currency!
You seem to hold up greenbacks and continentals as somehow good currencies when they were gov't monopoly fiat schemes.
I am not "dishonest." I am responding to your claims. Read your own posts.
@MillionthUsername You assume much. I did not "trash gold." It is you who created a strawman argument & insinuated I agreed with the shutting down of NORFED, which I do not. Once again, you argue dishonestly. Now, take the time to do some research & read the books I have recommended, so you will beable to debate this issue from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance. Once you have accomplished this, get back to me & we can discuss this further. Until then, you're just blowing hot air.
@MillionthUsername - This is better. What I posted was, Ellen Brown in her book, "WEB OF DEBT," referred to by Joseph Farrell in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS," writes Brown, "excels at exposing the fallacious assumptions of many that a mere return to the "gold standard" would resolve the problem - Bullion itself is subject to manipulation." This is a far cry as you insinuate, from "trashing gold." I do not view with disfavor the minting of coins privately. Pioneer Gold Coins were minted from 1830 - 1862.
@Elazar40 My understanding of Brown is that she advocates an unconstitutional gov't monopoly fiat scheme just like Lincoln.
I don't see how you can advocate a gov't monopoly on money and at the same time say "I do not view with disfavor the minting of coins privately." You must understand that those advocating monopolies do it with the understanding that it will be imposed by force as competition must necessarily be outlawed. Right?
@MillionthUsername - Maybe you should read Brown's book to improve your understanding? What Lincoln did, was issue US government interest free currency, rather than accept the interest bearing loans of the Banksters. He decided upon this course of action because the Banksters were demanding 24% plus interest, which would have placed both the North AND South in bondage to perpetual debt. Farrell explains the scenerio in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS, which you should also read before proceeding further.
@Elazar40 I don't need to read her book. I've read the critiques of it. Like I said, she supports an unconstitutional fiat money scheme.
Lincoln was a mad tyrant who killed 600,000 of his countrymen in an unnecessary bloody war. He signed a national banking act, so I don't know why you would think he was a monetary reformer. He further centralized banking power, and for the first time allowed them to turn notes into cash, expanding the fiat empire.
@MillionthUsername - Lincoln was a man caught between a rock & a hard place who was assassinated by the BANKING POWERS he thwarted. He did not "kill 600,000 of his countrymen." As Farrell explains, "We know of absolute certainty - the division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers [feared] if the United States remained in one block & as one nation they would attain economic independence.
@Elazar40 The Tyrant and Mass Murderer Lincoln, the destroyer of the union and the constitution, invaded the southern states and killed 600,000 people. Look it up. He was not a banking reformer. I just told you that he further centralized and empowered the banking system. Look it up.
What's the proof that the Tyrant and Mass Murderer Lincoln was "assassinated by the BANKING POWERS"?
You idiots have this bizarre narrative that fiat money and authoritarianism is the lost paradise.
@MillionthUsername - Obviously you're not a very well informed person & have no intention of becoming one. In your own words to a suggestion you read Brown's book, Web Of Debt, you replied, "I don't need to read her book. I've read the critiques of it." This indicates you would rather believe someone else's opinion that supports your own, than do your homework & formulate an independent view. Do you also believe the "news?" Without doubt, arrogance & laziness are impediments to learning.
@MillionthUsername - "My understanding of Brown is that she advocates an unconstitutional gov't monopoly fiat scheme." Then your "understanding" is incorrect. To the contrary, she supports a constitutionally mandated system of lawful open non-interest bearing currency, governed by the us treasury rather than the FEDERAL RESERVE. For decades Americans have been deceived into perceiving THE PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE is a government agency. It is not. See, "From Freedom To Fascism" by Aaron Russo.
@MillionthUsername - Further, "FACIMILE MONEY," is defined quite succinctly by Joseph Farrell in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS, precisely in reference to Ben Franklin, that "Franklin elaborated on the source of colonial prosperity to his English hosts, & his words are worth taking to heart, for in them one discerns the clear difference between a closed (facsimile) system of "debt-as-money" or monetized debt, & an open (real) system of money as a medium of exchange (interest free) of production & credit."
@Elazar40 So you are correcting yourself then? "Facsimile money" refers to debt-as-money, not private money. Fine. Before, you had said "private money" in ALL CAPS as if there were something wrong with private issuance of money. I told you then that you were not making the right distinctions.
Yet, I don't know how you can advocate gov't fiat monopoly money still since it is not real money either.
@MillionthUsername - No, I'm not "correcting myself," but embellishing my original explanation so you can understand it. ALL CAPS is a legal designation for a CORPORATE FICTION, or FACSIMILE of a real thing, like a PICTURE-OF-A-DOG rather than a real dog - similar to "COLOR-OF-LAW" or those things which appear to be but are not. So, a FACSIMILE of money, is money which appears to be, but is not. Like a claim upon wealth & labor into the future, Farrell defines it as a kind of "negative energy."
@Elazar40 You're not correcting yourself? So you still think that private money is "facsimile" or debt money? Can you explain how privately issued currency must be debt-money?
@MillionthUsername - FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES are interest bearing FACSIMILE MONEY, issued by a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, operating under an illusion & pretense of being a public currency. The word "private" has been co-opted to define that of a CORPORATE PERSON endowed with the same rights as a human person. A CORPORATE PERSON is not a human person. Only human persons have either a capacity or a need for privacy. So, what is alleged to be a private currency is actually "debt-as-money" currency.
@MillionthUsername - Further, that a national government should have a monopoly on the issuance of its own public currency, which benefits the people & grows with production, rather than this same government surreptitiously being manouvered into granting a monopoly to issue the currency of the nation to a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, is sound practice throughout history. Whereas PRIVATE CURRENCY, which postures as public, bears interest, public currency is introduced into circulation interest free.
Excellent video! "Money can NEVER be safe and dependable in a society ignorant of its nature" Norman Angell. If you haven't seen The Money Masters, Money as Debt I and II, The Secret of Oz: Solutions For a Broken Economy and The Creature From Jekyll Island, I very highly recommend them. It's right here on youtube.
This proves that rap is crap. It works with rhymes , like garbled chimes. It doesn't speak with thoughts and analysis . It mostly rambles mind paralysis.
These are not economic realities he is spouting. The bankers are not at fault. Bankers mere;y loan money and act as agents to provide a savings location. The Fed was government created and should be dumped. As for your remarks on doing something since ideas are the movers what better way to disseminate them that to analyze and express them. Shouting in the street doesn't get it.
Maybe ideas here r crap 2 YOU b/c they don't correlate 2 YOUR ideas.
Here's a place 2 express one's self, communicate, question, engage in discussion, and perhaps expand understanding.
Synthesis is not achieved by disparaging another ...and out of the starting gate as well!
REAL Growth involves observing how one’s Self contributes to humanity, both positively & negatively. Unless one change's one's self, there’s no changing that which is external…
Hello Brother… Believe me when I say that I feel your pain… and your anger.
That is why I produced this video.
I have myself at times experienced moments of seething rage and a thirst for [vengeful] justice.
However, I came to observe that in addition to the challenges, problems and even political-criminal-corruption that I was awakening to, so too was I awakening to the fact that I was experiencing moments of seething rage and a thirst for [vengeful] justice.
Congress is a ship of fools. They keep right on spending us right into bankruptcy, the most incompetent Congress in American history. They indulge freely in fiscal insanity and it is nothing but sheer selfishness! What a selfish leadership it is that would pass on even higher and more monstrous debt to its own children! There is no excuse for it. The American people should rise up and toss them out of office.
JohnBraintree 11 months ago
Roman Being, not certain money is at fault
jamiedimon 11 months ago
@jamiedimon
There's much history & information + many perspectives
2 comprehend a mechanism for 1's self & communicate 1's understanding 2 others won't always yield agreement. Neither will it necessarily B accurate [or inaccurate]
It's a process of unfolding understanding [personal & collective]
Knowledge gained 2day is built on knowledge gained [or dismantled] yesterday. Knowledge gained 2morrow will B built on knowledge gained [or dismantled] 2day.
This is my perspective 2day.
What's Yours?
romanbeing 11 months ago
This format will help the younger(18-35) crowd understand! Bravo!
1961slam 11 months ago
Also, as Farrell explains, colonial script was non-interest bearing fiat currency drawn upon the wealth & credit of the entire nation. It was designed to facilitate value for value exchanges in the market place, not profit for BANKSTERS. It was covertly undermined & inflated by British Agents who counterfeited & spread colonial script in an attempt to debase & destroy the new currency. In spite of their best efforts, the colonials won the war, although colonial script had been made worthless.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 How much is colonial scrip worth now, you moron? And how much is a silver dollar from the same period worth?
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Down to name calling are we? Obviously, as was previously explained the value of colonial scrip had been collapsed by the end of the revolutionary war. As for the value of gold & silver coinage, this is another matter, which can also be discussed. There are coins worth more, but have you checked on the web for the value of some of the old paper dollars lately? And how much are THEY worth? How about a choice uncirculated 1869 $1.00 United States Note? Try $2,350.00!
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 "but have you checked on the web for the value of some of the old paper dollars lately"
You are such a serious nutbag that I am going to end the torture here and not attempt to communicate with you anymore. You are telling me here that your fiat crap money paper "dollars" are worth $2,350.00 now because the currency blew up 150 years ago and the remaining ones have value as rarities? You show yourself to be utterly incapable of any rational exchange. You're an absolute jackass.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - "an absolute jackass" - "a serious nutbag" - "utterly incapable of any rational exchange"
I was wondering if you would like to join a debating team? The one I'm not on. Once again, you are dishonest.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - By the way, just located a November 29, 1775 $2.00 colonial script, selling for "1,250.00." So, although colonial scrip was made worthless by the end of the war, today as a collectable, colonial scrip is worth far more than its original face value. The first US silver dollar was minted in 1794. Prior to this was the Spanish "eight real piece" known as a "Piece Of Eight," mainly struck in Mexico & in circulation among the thirteen colonies prior to, & after, independence.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 You don't understand "numismatic" value. You don't understand scarcity. No wonder you fell for Ellen Brown - all makes sense now!
boohoo746 2 weeks ago
Cont... - "the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending... will bear its burdens without complaint." And as united states President James Garfield proclaimed in 1881, "Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is the absolute master of all industry & commerce... And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation & depression originate"
Elazar40 11 months ago
An understanding of money, both real & FACSIMILE, is key to the future of freedom. But to see what we are up against, refer to this quote from Ellen Brown's WEB OF DEBT - "A private communication from a Rothschild investment house in London to an associate banking firm in New York dated June 25, 1863, confided, "The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or dependent upon its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while, on the other," Cont...
Elazar40 11 months ago
In a footnote to, BABYLON'S BANKERS, Farrell writes, "If there is one book the reader should read about the history of privately-issued debt money vs state issued credit money, this book, "WEB OF DEBT: The Shocking Truth about Our Money System & How We Can Break Free," is it. It is thoroughly documented & well-written. Brown - excels at exposing the fallacious assumptions of many that a mere return to the "gold standard" would resolve the problem - Bullion itself is subject to manipulation."
Elazar40 11 months ago
For those interested in research, the following are well documented resources - "The Creature From Jekyll Island," by Edward Griffin - "Tragedy & Hope" by Carroll Quigley - "Web Of Debt: The Shocking Truth about Our Money System & How We Can Break Free," by Ellen Hodgson Brown - "Promise To Pay," by R. McNair Wilson - "The Coming Battle: A Complete History of the National Banking Money Power in the United States," by Martin Wetzel Walbert - And of course "BABYLON'S BANKSTERS," by Joseph Farrell.
Elazar40 11 months ago
A good companion to the Hayak/Keynes rap:
/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
CurtHowland 11 months ago
@CurtHowland
WOW! I can't believe I hadn't seen this before...
Thanks for sharing the link... Definitely adding it to my favorites...
romanbeing 11 months ago
@romanbeing An honor and a pleasure. :^)
CurtHowland 11 months ago
wow this says it all in a short clip.
ORIANA250 11 months ago
That was flat out stupid.
scitops 11 months ago
@scitops
What a deeply profound, analytical and insightful review....
Did you write it by yourself or did your mommy & daddy help you...?
romanbeing 11 months ago 8
Both Lincoln's greenbacks & earlier colonial script were "forced" from circulation. So, they weren't given a chance to prove themselves. I believe Joseph Farrell explains how gold served as a window through which the PRIVATE BANKSTERS introduced their PRIVATELY coined interest bearing currency. See, "BABYLON'S BANKSTERS: The Alchemy of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion." PRIVATE or PIRATE gold backed receipt currency enabled fractionalized banking in America. Consciousness is good.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40
Thanks for the recommendation... I Will check it out...
Already, just by the title, it has gripped my attention...
Appreciate the info sharing...
romanbeing 11 months ago
@romanbeing - Another short but excellent book is "Promise to Pay," an inquiry into the principles and practice of the latter-day magic called sometimes high finance, by R. McNair Wilson. I believe if you do a search, you will find it on the web available for immediate download. Also, "The Coming Battle" By M.W. Walbert may also provide you with additional information. The war between PRIVATE & public currency has been with us through the ages, reaching all the way back to Babylon herself.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 "gold served as a window through which the PRIVATE BANKSTERS introduced their PRIVATELY coined interest bearing currency"
That's ridiculous. Gold is just a commodity. It doesn't have an agenda. It doesn't know what a banker is, and it doesn't force anybody to do anything. You need to make a distinction between money and those who attempt to control money through the use of gov't force. It is the state which allows and subsidizes the manipulation and monopolization of money, not gold.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
I am quite familiar with "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES," banking history in America & THE UNITED STATES. The current Government is not an American government, but a PRIVATELY held CORPORATION administered by appointed OFFICERS. The most successful mediums of exchange in America were colonial script, torpedoed by the British Crown, & Lincoln's greenbacks which financed the civil war, free of extortionist rates of BANKSTER INTEREST. Gold, although an intrinsic repository of wealth, has a hidden downside.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40
I don't disagree, that's why I wrote the line
"and though indeed no system is perfect, attempt to fix what is not working"
Colonial script or greenbacks were not around long enough to prove themselves as stable & permanent. I'm sure challenges with those forms of currency would reveal themselves given enough time.
I don't think any form of currency could ever emerge that would be perfect.
The real challenge for humanity does not lie in money, law or taxes, but in consciousness.
romanbeing 11 months ago
@Elazar40 You forgot the Continental, which had its run and demonstrated what the Greenback also demonstrated a century later: All fiat currencies eventually reach their intrinsic value- Zero.
All of them.
The only answer that has ever worked is a currency entirely separated from political control.
Leave people alone, they choose commodity currencies like gold and silver. As modern systems deal with multiple national currencies, we can deal the same way with different commodity currencies.
CurtHowland 11 months ago
There are only two types of currency or money, public & PRIVATE. There are bankers & BANKSTERS. The current FEDERAL RESERVE is a branch of an INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL that issues PRIVATE INTEREST bearing currency that accrues to the benefit of the BANKERS, whereas a currency or money issued through the public treasury, accrues to the benefit of the people. Think of currency as "will," i.e., the Corporate WILL of the BANKSTERS or the moral & ethical will of the people. Which would you prefer?
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40
I see that you are located in Canada... I myself am in the USA...
Here in the US we use Federal Reserve Notes...
Based on this video I produced, I think you can figure out how I feel about PRIVATE money...
But even in the case of PUBLIC money there is a risk of debasement if the treasury runs printing presses at full speed...
It is for this reason that I am more favorable to hard asset currency such as precious metals.
romanbeing 11 months ago
@Elazar40 "a currency or money issued through the public treasury, accrues to the benefit of the people"
The monopolization of money comes through gov't force. Why are you trying to contrast "public" monopoly money with "private" as if there is something sinister about a private currency? A private issuer has no monopoly power in a free society. They only have their reputation and the quality of their product to recommend them. Monopoly is the enemy of sound money, not private issuers.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - If you're into reading, I suggest you read Joesph Farrells new book, BABYLON'S BANKSTERS: The Alchemy Of Deep Physics, High Finance and Ancient Religion. For your information, THE FEDERAL RESERVE is a PRIVATE BANK, that has surreptitiously captured a MONOPOLY control over the currency of America. So your point is well taken, a PRIVATE MONOPOLY of the power to create a FACSIMILE of money, is the enemy of sound money & hijacks both the political & economic will of the people.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 The Fed was created by congress, which is why your attempt to contrast "public" with "private" money is ill-conceived.
The solution to state created and enforced monopolies is the free market. Money is a market phenomenon. The private issuance of currency is no more a threat to liberty than the private production of all other goods and services in society.
I get the impression that the people you are referencing advocate state monopoly money and not a free market.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Simply stated, public money represents the currency or will of the people. It is issued by the government & not by an INTERNATIONAL PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, of which THE FEDERAL RESERVE is an extention. What you refer to as a "free market" is not a "fair" market, wherein producers of wealth engage in value for value exchange, & own the fruits of their labor. Under the FED, all labor is factored into Corporate Accounting as a "cost," rather than as a human asset of production.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 "public money represents the currency or will of the people"
That's an ridiculous lie. People don't need anyone to "represent" their will as far as using money.
Real money doesn't require a monopoly of force. People choose to use it because it works well
as a medium of exchange.
The gov't created the Fed system, so according to you it "represents the will of the people." Obviously,
it doesn't.
And a free market is, by definition, fair. You propose an un-free market for us then?
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - To learn about how the PRIVATELY held INTEREST bearing CURRENCY was surreptitiously imposed upon the united states, read, "Creature From Jekyll Island," by Edward Griffin. Public money represents the moral & ethical conscience of the people, because unlike FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, it is issued by a publically accountable national bank, as in a national currency or "Treasury Note," rather than a PRIVATELY controlled & un-accountable FEDERAL RESERVE & its INTEREST bearing NOTES.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 THe GOVERNMENT imposed what you call a "privately held" currency. But they call it "public" currency. Since you want the GOVERNMENT to create monopoly money, why are you complaining about what the GOVERNMENT has done?
I'm only saying all this because you are confusing public and private. You seem to be advocating the same kind of gov't monopoly that you say you oppose, and at the same time disparaging the free market. You seem incapable of making the proper distinctions.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Public "money" was in circulation prior to the American revolution, during the revolution, during the civil war in the North, and for a short time during the JFK administration. PRIVATE MONEY, which is referred to as a "FACSIMILE" of real money, in each instance, was used to debase & displace public currency. Whereas the treasury of the united states was available for audit and a public accounting, the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE believes it is beyond such public concerns.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 Once again, you make absolutely no sense with your use of "private," and you seem to have no historical knowledge of how gov't has continually debased its money since the beginning of time. Your gov't fiat currencies have all gone to zero.
How the hell is private money a "facsimile"? A coin is a coin is a coin. Private mints make coins all the time.
Where was the Treasury in 1913? The Congress? The President? Where have they been for 100 years?
Supporting the Fed, that's where.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - You are either ignorant, or running confusion. I suspect the latter. And just in case you are ignorant, NORFED, which coined a private currency referred to as the Liberty Dollar, created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company, has recently been raided & shut down by the FBI & Secret Service. So, where are your "private mints mak[ing] coins all the time?" Also, NORFED'S website has been shut down by "Court Order." Why do you suppose this is?
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 You take the persecution of NotHaus to mean that people are incapable of making coins, or that making coins is evil? What the hell are you trying to say here?
Do you support the gross violation of liberty which has been visited upon NotHaus? Then why the hell are you here trying to act like you're some kind of monetary reformer? You seem to be nothing but another statist authoritarian proposing another gov't ponzi scheme.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
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Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername- You argue dishonestly. No where have I even inferred "people are incapable of making coins" or that "making coins is evil." These are your words, & they are an intentional misrepresentation of my words. A "statist authoritarian proposing another gov't ponsi scheme" am I? Are you sure you're reading my posts? if you would have had the good sense to ask rather than posture with unjustified conjecture & inuendo, you may have informed yourself. However, this is not your purpose.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 You trashed gold. You trashed private currency. You said private currency was a "facsimile". I pointed out that private mints make coins. You responded by saying that since the gov't just persecuted NotHaus for making coins, that this somehow (how?) argues against private currency!
You seem to hold up greenbacks and continentals as somehow good currencies when they were gov't monopoly fiat schemes.
I am not "dishonest." I am responding to your claims. Read your own posts.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
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Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername You assume much. I did not "trash gold." It is you who created a strawman argument & insinuated I agreed with the shutting down of NORFED, which I do not. Once again, you argue dishonestly. Now, take the time to do some research & read the books I have recommended, so you will beable to debate this issue from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance. Once you have accomplished this, get back to me & we can discuss this further. Until then, you're just blowing hot air.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 "I did not "trash gold."
You said: "gold served as a window through which the PRIVATE BANKSTERS..."
Are you not insinuating here that gold is not good? If not, please explain what you
mean.
Also, please explain what you mean by saying that private money is a "facsimile."
Do you agree with shutting down NORFED or not? That wasn't "public," right? Therefore,
according to you, it was not "in the people's interest".
Trying to figure out what you mean is not being "dishonest".
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - This is better. What I posted was, Ellen Brown in her book, "WEB OF DEBT," referred to by Joseph Farrell in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS," writes Brown, "excels at exposing the fallacious assumptions of many that a mere return to the "gold standard" would resolve the problem - Bullion itself is subject to manipulation." This is a far cry as you insinuate, from "trashing gold." I do not view with disfavor the minting of coins privately. Pioneer Gold Coins were minted from 1830 - 1862.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 My understanding of Brown is that she advocates an unconstitutional gov't monopoly fiat scheme just like Lincoln.
I don't see how you can advocate a gov't monopoly on money and at the same time say "I do not view with disfavor the minting of coins privately." You must understand that those advocating monopolies do it with the understanding that it will be imposed by force as competition must necessarily be outlawed. Right?
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Maybe you should read Brown's book to improve your understanding? What Lincoln did, was issue US government interest free currency, rather than accept the interest bearing loans of the Banksters. He decided upon this course of action because the Banksters were demanding 24% plus interest, which would have placed both the North AND South in bondage to perpetual debt. Farrell explains the scenerio in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS, which you should also read before proceeding further.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 I don't need to read her book. I've read the critiques of it. Like I said, she supports an unconstitutional fiat money scheme.
Lincoln was a mad tyrant who killed 600,000 of his countrymen in an unnecessary bloody war. He signed a national banking act, so I don't know why you would think he was a monetary reformer. He further centralized banking power, and for the first time allowed them to turn notes into cash, expanding the fiat empire.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Lincoln was a man caught between a rock & a hard place who was assassinated by the BANKING POWERS he thwarted. He did not "kill 600,000 of his countrymen." As Farrell explains, "We know of absolute certainty - the division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers [feared] if the United States remained in one block & as one nation they would attain economic independence.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 The Tyrant and Mass Murderer Lincoln, the destroyer of the union and the constitution, invaded the southern states and killed 600,000 people. Look it up. He was not a banking reformer. I just told you that he further centralized and empowered the banking system. Look it up.
What's the proof that the Tyrant and Mass Murderer Lincoln was "assassinated by the BANKING POWERS"?
You idiots have this bizarre narrative that fiat money and authoritarianism is the lost paradise.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
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Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Obviously you're not a very well informed person & have no intention of becoming one. In your own words to a suggestion you read Brown's book, Web Of Debt, you replied, "I don't need to read her book. I've read the critiques of it." This indicates you would rather believe someone else's opinion that supports your own, than do your homework & formulate an independent view. Do you also believe the "news?" Without doubt, arrogance & laziness are impediments to learning.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - "My understanding of Brown is that she advocates an unconstitutional gov't monopoly fiat scheme." Then your "understanding" is incorrect. To the contrary, she supports a constitutionally mandated system of lawful open non-interest bearing currency, governed by the us treasury rather than the FEDERAL RESERVE. For decades Americans have been deceived into perceiving THE PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE is a government agency. It is not. See, "From Freedom To Fascism" by Aaron Russo.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Further, "FACIMILE MONEY," is defined quite succinctly by Joseph Farrell in BABYLON'S BANKSTERS, precisely in reference to Ben Franklin, that "Franklin elaborated on the source of colonial prosperity to his English hosts, & his words are worth taking to heart, for in them one discerns the clear difference between a closed (facsimile) system of "debt-as-money" or monetized debt, & an open (real) system of money as a medium of exchange (interest free) of production & credit."
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 So you are correcting yourself then? "Facsimile money" refers to debt-as-money, not private money. Fine. Before, you had said "private money" in ALL CAPS as if there were something wrong with private issuance of money. I told you then that you were not making the right distinctions.
Yet, I don't know how you can advocate gov't fiat monopoly money still since it is not real money either.
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - No, I'm not "correcting myself," but embellishing my original explanation so you can understand it. ALL CAPS is a legal designation for a CORPORATE FICTION, or FACSIMILE of a real thing, like a PICTURE-OF-A-DOG rather than a real dog - similar to "COLOR-OF-LAW" or those things which appear to be but are not. So, a FACSIMILE of money, is money which appears to be, but is not. Like a claim upon wealth & labor into the future, Farrell defines it as a kind of "negative energy."
Elazar40 11 months ago
@Elazar40 You're not correcting yourself? So you still think that private money is "facsimile" or debt money? Can you explain how privately issued currency must be debt-money?
MillionthUsername 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES are interest bearing FACSIMILE MONEY, issued by a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, operating under an illusion & pretense of being a public currency. The word "private" has been co-opted to define that of a CORPORATE PERSON endowed with the same rights as a human person. A CORPORATE PERSON is not a human person. Only human persons have either a capacity or a need for privacy. So, what is alleged to be a private currency is actually "debt-as-money" currency.
Elazar40 11 months ago
@MillionthUsername - Further, that a national government should have a monopoly on the issuance of its own public currency, which benefits the people & grows with production, rather than this same government surreptitiously being manouvered into granting a monopoly to issue the currency of the nation to a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL, is sound practice throughout history. Whereas PRIVATE CURRENCY, which postures as public, bears interest, public currency is introduced into circulation interest free.
Elazar40 11 months ago
Excellent video! "Money can NEVER be safe and dependable in a society ignorant of its nature" Norman Angell. If you haven't seen The Money Masters, Money as Debt I and II, The Secret of Oz: Solutions For a Broken Economy and The Creature From Jekyll Island, I very highly recommend them. It's right here on youtube.
delyparker777 11 months ago
@delyparker777
GREAT Recommendations...!!!
romanbeing 11 months ago
BRAVO!!!
PEACEBRINGER200 11 months ago
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chinaownsamerica 11 months ago
This proves that rap is crap. It works with rhymes , like garbled chimes. It doesn't speak with thoughts and analysis . It mostly rambles mind paralysis.
tuner38 11 months ago
@tuner38
This proves nothing of the kind...it is extremely thoughtful and analytical...
In your words: "how many escape, how many survive, the onslaught of apathy?"
This person is doing his level best to wake people up to the economic realities we are facing...
What are YOU doing? Writing pap and passing it off as spiritual wisdom...
Seems to me you are more interested in taking unnecessary shots at people than
you are to contributing positively to public awakening.
free2befreebird 11 months ago
@free2befreebird
These are not economic realities he is spouting. The bankers are not at fault. Bankers mere;y loan money and act as agents to provide a savings location. The Fed was government created and should be dumped. As for your remarks on doing something since ideas are the movers what better way to disseminate them that to analyze and express them. Shouting in the street doesn't get it.
tuner38 11 months ago
@tuner38
Who's shouting in the streets?
Maybe ideas here r crap 2 YOU b/c they don't correlate 2 YOUR ideas.
Here's a place 2 express one's self, communicate, question, engage in discussion, and perhaps expand understanding.
Synthesis is not achieved by disparaging another ...and out of the starting gate as well!
REAL Growth involves observing how one’s Self contributes to humanity, both positively & negatively. Unless one change's one's self, there’s no changing that which is external…
romanbeing 11 months ago
End the Fed, eat the bankers!
INFO-WAR, motherfuckers!
We're taking our country back from the fat-cat fucks,
so don't back down to the sheep & shills.
INFO-WAR is changing the world.
ModernPlague 11 months ago 4
Hello Brother… Believe me when I say that I feel your pain… and your anger.
That is why I produced this video.
I have myself at times experienced moments of seething rage and a thirst for [vengeful] justice.
However, I came to observe that in addition to the challenges, problems and even political-criminal-corruption that I was awakening to, so too was I awakening to the fact that I was experiencing moments of seething rage and a thirst for [vengeful] justice.
(Continued next post)
romanbeing 11 months ago
Amazing response. We had a great time creating this video.
CristoHewtski 11 months ago
Excellent job!
1776Rosco 11 months ago
Thanks for all the positive feedback...
It's time for us all to expand understanding and evolve conversations & ideas...
The Foundation of ALL Mental Illness is the Avoidance of Legitimate Suffering... -Carl G. Jung
Emancipate Yourself From Mental Slavery, None But Ourselves Can Free Our Minds... -Bob Marley
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romanbeing 11 months ago
Spot on !!! It's time to wake up. There is another way.
iancdz 11 months ago
Print, Bernanke, PRINT! For Mankind, print!
z0nt21 11 months ago
Excellent!!!
Entertaining & informative. Using a spoken poetry style to illuminate complex topics in a short vid.
JoeSexPack 11 months ago
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