if they are making it such a strict teaching, it's very heart breaking to see a soul lost and never go back to church because of what the preacher said without knowledge that this soul didn't have a job and was living with a relative( saw this happen personally) who is now lost because of money
I keep seeing people say Abraham tithe, but did u see the verses after it where he kept nothing for himself and may I add that Abraham never tithed from his own possesion, it was from spoils of war when he went to get Lot. With that being if u disagree, them you need to do like u think he did, give 10% and give the other 90% to something else and keep nothing for yourself
We can say we are not under a 10% tithe and have God show us what to do with 100% of our money.
(Romans 6:18-20) The law was replaced with our obedience to Christ which could be dealing with anything.
And Jesus is our High Priest. (Hebrews 9:11) "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building."
We can't go murder and steal, then say we're not under the law.
2 Corinthians 9: vers.7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; "not grudgingly, or of necessity; for God loveth a cheerful giver. This means you can give to; and what ever you want; aka purposeth in ur heart.
If you really want to part with your money by putting it in church, go to the New Testament and learn how to give cheerfully and not grudgingly. Don't give just 10%. Give according to need and affordability. That's what works for me. I should help with the lights and other utilities in the church. I can do this without being a tither--just one who gives freely. AMEN!
The beautiful thing about tithing is that it garners money and leads to success. With a large congregation of members who don't read or study the Bible for themselves (mostly women in these churchs that I know), a guy--oops, minister--can state things that are not biblical and many will believe him. He becomes successful and they continue to struggle monetarily.
I'm glad you have principles! Perhaps you would like to elaborate on where is this principle of tithing! I've never seen it! I think there is a clue in your comment, however, in that you think a principle is something that you have to "twist"! I disagree! I think God's Word simply needs to be taken at face value. It's only those who propagate man-made doctrines who need to twist scripture to fit the doctrine! So it is with those who teaching tithing as a biblical principle!!
To my sister that did the video: keep on keeping' on! Hopefully this will drive people to listen to their Father or continue to be led away with falsehoods.
1. Abraham tithed under grace. He was not under the law.
2. Grace always goes above and beyond the law. If you believe that tithing is a teaching for those that are under the law, then you should be giving God 15% or 20%. Are you giving that much to God?
Lady this isn't new stuff I heard this bull along time ago. If your sitting in a church that does not preach the gospel ( the good news that Christ is the only way to heaven ), soul win,help the saint,widows,fatherless,ect. you need not to put money in the plate. But if you are in a church like that your missing out if you don't tithe.10% of all your increase is what God said. A banker doesn't do much farming now does he.So only farmers are to tithe right ?
1 Corinth 6:10 "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor EXTORTIONERS, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Extortion: Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority. If your ministry require a tithe, I would study a little more on the topic before teaching it any further. If you place people back under the law, the Good News no longer feel good. It begins to feel like oppression.
If the tithe was a mandate, then you would be guilty of either neglecting the church, or neglecting your family. That will make you FORCED into sin. That's not possible. @samariababii Sometimes I give more, sometimes I give less. When God places it on our hearts, we just sow understanding the principle of the seed. We never calculate a percentage.
@higherground2050 that is what I am saying. It is not a requirement. I would feel much better if it was done as tithing was done in biblical times. To help those in need when there was a need. I do understand how it can be hard to distinguish between those who need and those who exploit. That's where spiritual discernment comes in. You are right, 1 Timothy 1:8 says that if you don't provide for your own house, you deny the faith and is worse than an infidel.
That means that we must go back to sacrifice, that means that Christ died in vain (Gal. 2:21), that means that we must examine the cattle we eat, check our fish for marks, and shellfish such as lobsters, oysters, shrimp, clams and crabs are all forbidden, No more Red Lobster (Lev. 11). We need to bring Strangulation, burning, stoning, and decapitation by sword back into the judicial system Lev 20:10-14, 22:24, and 26:25. Who's game????
@higherground2050 your not really that stupid are you ? you can't tell when a church is ripping of God and there members ? look if your church is supporting missionaries then tithe what you can, if not go give it to a widow or a pore family.But today I'm sure most so called Christians would rather give it to the bartender.
Ironically, because we realized that God loved us so much that he would free us from the debt of the mosaic law, NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS aka. Law of God, we have given more than we ever had while we were tithing. We give because we understand the principle and purpose of the seed, not be cause we are ordered to by the law. If we are required to tithe, we are required to do everything in Lev. 27 that surrounds the tithe! We can't pick and choose! Right?
Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. See, many Christians aren't RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth. It amazes me how so many just follow and don't study for themselves. My family have been blessed tremendously via our free will offerings....
have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with....
See, if you would really study the Word you will find that the tithe is biblical, but not Christian. Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law, the "Nomos," when he was sacrificed on the cross. Galatians 3:13 states, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" further...Galatians 2:16-21 States, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we....
"'If God gave man dominion over all creations,why we He [God] create money"...sound more like human planning and not divine planning...the innovations of mankind are beguile that lead to self-ignorance...WAKE UP FOLKS!!! the grounds are cursed,the table is tilted, nobody has room for logic anymore...to busy taking on world ideologies...SMDH
Unrighteous Persons hate the tithe. Your uncle Sam the government takes from you. The Lord Trust us with the tithe. You cant give cows and chickens at church today. May your money come to the Kingdom of God and Me. I pray your book does well that the money comes to me now. For the Kingdom of God, thanks keep up the good wicked wealth building.
However, those types and shadows teach us about the spiritual truth. I believe that we are still supposed to tithe, yet not of natural food, but of spiritual food (milk, break, meat, wine, oil) i,e. the word of God!! The tithe was given by the children of Israel to the Levites, Aaron and his sons (The Priesthood). We are simultaneously the children of Israel and a royal priesthood! As a child of Israel, we are to tithe the revelation of God's word to one another. As priests we receive.
Blessings to you sister. The LORD spoke to me about tithe and offering right before I was about to go to bed 2 years ago.Scripture is very clear that the tithe was food and that it was meant to be eaten. As in the scriptures you mentioned, the tithe was wine, oil, bread, milk, meats i.e. food and drink. The scriptures tell us that the Torah (law) was a shadow of the good things but not the very image;
Just incase you haven't noticed, we no longer live in agricultural times! Currency has taken its place. Yes, you are suppose to tithe with money, 10 percent of your gross belong to God. Not because God needs your money, no. God wants us to be obedient in that area. Keep in mind that we are free moral agents and you don't have to do nothing you want to do. But be prepared to loose sleep over money you thought was in your checking or savings account.
PLZ ALL WHO THINK TITHING IS WRONG GO TO VIDEO ON YOUTUBE (RTDCHP THE TITHING QUESTION)..THIS WILL HELP YOU AND CLEARLY OU ARE BEING MOVED SPIRITUAL TO SEEK..NOW FIND.
@RTDCHP Clearly any fool who really does this is an idiot. Why would the people go to this video. Instead how about appointing to some bible vs. So,they can prove they own self appove. I'm 17 years old and its constant tedious. I keep seeing people post stuff like this on videos. No you are not suppose to tithe because god did away with it. Thereforth it is not in the new testament. Yes it was giving but a lot of the times it was STOLEN by that person. I bet you call yourself a Christian.
@kalaworld hello you said "God did away with it (tithing)" Kindly show me in the Bible where he did away..Thank you I look forward to hearing from you, but I am also sure you will not be able to show me scripture..No offense, but you will not be able to produce.
@kalaworld how, when, why, and where was tithing ever done away with? Perverted, twisted, misunderstood....sure.. but done away with... Yeshua said that He came to fulfill...not to do away with. Those who preach that what God has spoken from old is done away with make His word of no effect.
@TrueJewJubalee He had different names for different occasions, is the name Yeshua right for this one. I'll tell you once I have found my Hebrew bible, because King James mess up everything.
@RTDCHP Also you never suppose to correct someone in public, you do know there is private messaging. If you see or hear someone get something wrong you tell them privately. Didn't they talk about this in the bible. That was very rude of you to comment in caps. Yes, we do see your comment sir.
@kalaworld Becuse of my lack of internest savy i did not know there was private msg. nevertheless, when one gooes public they also should be prepared for public question. I am also glad, as you have said that you were wrong but you would have prefered me to adrress your wrong private. No thanks..public wrong..public correct.
@RTDCHP the reaso why i encourage people to go to youtube video is because video give the bible scripture for you to follow..It not rocket science, just simple but powerful bible. LET THE WORD OF GOD BE THE FINAL AUTHORITY.
SHE STARTED OUT WRONG. TITHING DOES NOT OR DID NOT BEGIN UNDER THE LAW IT BEGAN WITH ABRAHAM IN GEN. ( PLZ GO 2 VIDEO THE QUESTION OF TITHING / RTDCHP) WHAT EVER BOOK SHE WAS READING FROM ALSO WAS INCORRECT. TITHING BEGAN NOT WITH ARGRICULTURAL GIVING BUT WITH MONEY GIVING..NEITHER SHE NOR WHOEVER WROTE THE BOOK SHE IS REFERED KNEW ENOUGH BIBLE TO GET IT RIGHT..
We are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and mind but when it comes to the tithe God is off limits. Did not the apostle Paul say that we are to have our bodies as a living sacrifice which is your reasonable service? However at what percent is God's? Did you forget that Jesus said to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the thing that are God's? Why does a waiter get 15% but God should not even get ten?
Your post is speculative. You can't build a doctrine on what or how we think it should be. Not hermetically sound. Christians obey the command, no command to tithe anything in the New Testament church.
@nomadak47 Okay where in the NT does it command us to abstain from bestiality? If there is no command not to do it, then according to your "speculative" premise it would be okay. The priesthood is still here but under the order of Melchizedek. The sons of Levi paid tithes to him through Abraham. Hint you may want to study out the priesthood of the believer. I may be dead wrong but I think Jesus is alive and well and it is not a sin to tithe to him. Maybe allowing him in our wallet is okay.
Hello RepresentingTruth, Sex with animals would fall under fornication. Fornication is the master word for sexual misconduct. Also natural/moral law would be invoked here, our conscience knows. Even the animal kingdom reflects this.
On tithing money there is no directive from the Word of God to the Body of Christ to do such. However, it would be a natural law/moral to give. If we see a need we give. But giving does not always mean money.
@nomadak47 I believe that tithing is biblical. I also believe one must take as many verses on the matter before coming to an conclusion. So do I yes but I will ask this question. If no money was tithed then does that mean that only farmers and those that had cattle tithed? This is not a nasty question but an observation. Thanks
@RepresentingTruth Hello, and thank you for a right spirit in discussing the Word of God. Many get bent out of shape in these discussions. I too believe tithing is biblical.
Under the Mosaic Law only food items could be brought as a tithe. No live stock or Agriculture no tithe required. Did you know the tither at times partook of his tithe and ate it? All I'm saying is I and many others cannot find a directive aimed at the Body of Christ to tithe anything. Not all church bodies teach tithing.
Mandatory payments are bondage and Jesus freed us from bondage. People who give more than they can afford are being exploited. There is no way that a senior citizen who can barely buy medicine should not be expected to give, the church should be helping them! Giving out of anything but love for God is meaningless. Incessant begging and burdensome financial expectations is the biggest turn off in the institutional church. Who needs another big fancy building anyway?
Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them . I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear ,not the smallest letter,not the last stroke of a pen,will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished.
...i'm wondering why there is a lot of people saying ... Lord i will follow you ..i will serve you.. i will give my heart to you... my soul... my strength... even my life...but not my tithes... not my 10% income...,so ridiculous....you deceived yourself,
..how can you say that you can give to God everything but you fail to give your tithes...it's love of money that is in you
God does not need your money!
I give my tithes not because of the law but because I love Him..
If 10% of your increase does NOT belong to GOD, then what % does? U can NEVER show GOD faith without a valuable substance. $ is a valuable substance. I'll give u over 100 testimonies n a hr of the POWER of the TITHE & the miracles that follow. Show me the "power of NOT Tithing" lol. Worldly teachn. Everythng n the OT is relevant in the NT & that includes the law. Sum villages can't help but to eat pig & GOD 4gives, but it's still unhealthy to eat. i will NOT giv to GOD wat cost me nothing.
Food, Drink and Cattle were all sources of income (via trading or money) in the day this was written. By tithing, you allow yourself to be a giver and not a taker - it's a form of worship to me. How many people go to church, but never give a dime? This is not a question of wheather or not you're going to heaven beacuse works don't get you to heaven - your relationship with Jesus does. I think as Christians, it's important for us give to our church first from our earnings.
Thanks for reinforncing my thoughts on tithing. For a long time I felt guilty about not being able to give 10% due to my family's situation. But once I really started to study the word I have a better understanding.
First you are wrong from the beginning.The first biblical mention of tithing is in Genesis 14. After four Mesopotamian kings had taken Lot captive, Abraham attacked them and recovered all the booty. After his victory, the king of Sodom came out to meet him, and so did Melchizedek, a priest of God. Melchizedek blessed Abraham, and then Abraham "gave him a tenth of everything"...KJV "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all."
@vgarrett27 Read the entire thing, Abraham resuced Lot and his realtives and their possessions. He gave Melchizedek a tenth of the possession. Melchizedek told him give him the people and keep the possesions, Abraham refused because he didn't want the King to give him something he did not own. He didn't want him to say he made him rich, he only wanted what his men had eaten and he told him to give them their share.
Tithing was not encouraged or requested by Jesus. Tithing began in the days when the head of an empire of nation owned everything. The tithe, which was not always ten percent, was kept back by the king to disperse with the poor. This tithing was primarily livestock, because the responsibilty to feed the poor.
@MrBiblicalscholar Correction- Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42 support the fact that Yahshua encouraged tithing but confirmed that judgment, mercy, faith and the love of God were more important. More support for this truth can be found in Matthew 8:4 when Yahshua healed a man and informed him to go to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded for a testimony unto them. Please be advised that (GIFT) is the key -Read (Numbers 18:20-28).
Hello beloved sister in the Lord Jesus Christ. Well done. You have done your homework on this subject. I caught you on a radio program on Blogtalk radio which I thoroughly enjoyed. Keep on teaching the unadulterated Word of God as it is revealed in the scriptures not imagined by men and women who don't search and look for themselves to see what His word really says on the matter. I plan to get your book and thanks for posting. visit: yeshawaterdotcom
I appreciate your Youtube comments and insights. But I am wondering what is your objective. Are you out to expose the money hungry preachers or are you trying to bring to light some doctrinal principal
Actually there are 3 whole tithes ( 10ths ) in the Old Testament, none of which is money, none of which applies to New Testament believers in Jesus.
2 Corinthians Chapters 8 and 9 teach giving but not tithing. The Parable of The Talents also teaches on the right use of The Lord's money in context. Luke Ch. 18 has Jesus teaching that those who give up for the Kingdom's sake will receive many more in this time.
lets use our brains people....some people live off of their income... some live off of their crops and cattle and such. a farmer giving 10% of his/her crops, is the same thing as a person working a 9 to 5 giving 10% of his/her money.
@blueskunk12 so take 10% of my income and buy food and give it to the church. how the church utility bills gonna get paid? what about building maintenance? preachers will have to find full time jobs on the side and make time to run the church. what about the gas for the church bus for members without transportation. the list goes on. in old testament days the church didn't have these issues.the only need was pretty much food and shelter. churches today do alot more than food and shelter.
@RONJR9007 You talk like the church is a Big business. The church is not supposed to be about how much money they can make, but about teaching people the word of God and that doesn't require a building. The church can go home to home if they have to.
@blueskunk12 I recently found that out also and I can't believe that the church has a bunch of crooks in it. Money is the root of all evil indeed even in the church.
Indeed, the Church calls 10% of our income the Tithe. That's not Biblical.
The Jews gave three Tithes, the LORD's Tithe found in Lev 27, the Festival Tithe found in Deu 14, and the Poor Tithe found in Deu 26.
Of those three Tithes, the first says the tenth animal (not the first) is Tithed. The second says that it is to be used to hold a celebration and eaten by those who brought it. The third Tithe is to be shared with the poor.
@blueskunk12 .some people live off of their income... some live off of their crops and cattle and such. a farmer giving 10% of his crops, is the same thing as a person working a 9 to 5 giving 10% of his money. Deuteronomy 14:25..{ then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine, or anything you wish} you see it helps to read the whole chapter. not just one verse.
Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice.
See? They turned the money back into food. Then they ATE. And NONE of it went into the Storehouse.
@blueskunk12 would you give wine to the church today? the point I'm trying to make is that things run differently in todays world. use common sense. how is donating food going to help in a country where the homeless is over weight. every organization that helps others is funded through peoples donations. alot of churches do alot to help the community. and they wouldn't be able to do it if not for the money from its members.
“No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.
@RONJR9007 .......... Ever since the fall of man, The Most High said we have to work. I actually know preachers with full time jobs. I work with one. No one on this planet has to PAY to hear the WORD of our Heavenly Father. You can easily read the word for yourself and gain the knowledge & understanding he wants you to have.
Our main agenda should be following his Law, Keep HIS Sabbath, read HIS word, Stay in High Faith, repent and turn away from sin. NOT PAY!! Churches now days are businesses
@RONJR9007 Fair point however in those world there was still money. The Bible says in Genesis that Abraham was rich in Livestock, Silver and Gold. Food and livestock could be sold t generate money if the churches which preaches Tithing will accept it. America is not the Only Country which Tithing is preached by Most prosperity preachers so your argument that donating food to an overweight homeless (In USA) Incorrect. Please read the Bible in context
@1humility I guess if you read scripture correctly it reads "so that they may be food in my house" these hungry greedy wolves have taken food to LUXURY.
@RONJR9007 Good point but giving freely is not what is being stressed, tithing is. Most Ministers use Malachi at the same time they are reinforcing it with 2 Corinthians. Some who does not truly study the bible (like I used to be) would be conflicted and give only out of a sense of obligation and guilt. The complete oposite of what what 2 Corintians is teaching...just saying
If the law is not burdensome, the only possibility is that Israel didn't want to obey God. This doesn't make sense, since the Jews constantly accused Jesus of breaking the law.
And, if God's law is not burdensome, then we could simply obey it ourselves, and so earn our own righteousness. But Paul says no one is righteous by following the law, instead, the law reveals our sin.
So I believe that God's law is so burdensome that only God can follow it.
But too many people pick which parts of the law they will try to follow and which they think they can safely ignore. I believe that's wrong. James 2:10-11 says if we keep all but one of God's law, we're counted as having broken all of them. And Galatians 5:4 says that if we try to follow the law, we reject Christ.
Giving is great. It's how the Old Testament Temple was built (Exodus 35). But too many people don't trust God, so they impose a 10% tax and call it the Tithe.
See, the thing is I believe that no one can keep any part of the law.
I believe the law was given to show that we cannot earn God's favor. It's to show that we fall short in every way.
I also believe that's why God came down in the form of Jesus - to keep the law for us, then to die in our place for breaking the law, then to rise again with new life.
So I believe that anyone trying to follow any part of the law denies Jesus Christ.
Thanks for posting this video, before i even saw this God was already dealing with me in this area of tithing...I hve a delimia however- about 6mths ago the Lord revealed this very thing to my husband who went and talked to our pastor about what he had discovered in the word.. needless to say it wasn't completely received. God has recently stired up in me on the topic of tithing as well-. my question is should i go and talk to our pastor as well?
And being that some christians are under Grace and not Law, then that scripture I posted don't fit them about 10% Numbers is the Law. The Bible is clear:
"2Cr 9:7 NASB - Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
What part of that don't one understand? You give what you can as an intention from your spirit to give.
Also, i walked away from my church for almost three years and i certainly wasn't sending checks in my absence. God blessed me tremendously on my job during this time. I had haters/backstabbers/liars...people attacking me cuz of my talents left and right, but God promoted me in spite of them. I'm now getting back to church and my pastor had me shook on tithing, but God brought what he did for me during the past few years to my attn and I can see now what matters most to Him and its not our money.
Tithing was a COMMAND in the old testament, meaning people HAD to do it or it was like breaking the law.Tithing was linked to salvation. In the new testament we are under grace, so even if we don't tithe, our souls are not damned to hell. Tithing can't save you. Also, tithing doesn't mean money alone. If you can't afford to tithe you can give your services to the church, donate to people in need, etc. The main command we have in the new testament is to love one another as Jesus loved the church
I have been questioning the validity of the tithe as a monetary vehical for years. Thank you my beautiful sister for enlightening all of us. Do you ever stop.
Num 18:26 KJV - Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.
@blueskunk12 LOL your statement "NOT ME I'M A GENTILE "had me laughing that is a classic lol why did you say that ? You got my chest hurting lol Ima use that lol
I'm not a Levite or even a Jew. I'm Caucasian from and in the United States. My ancestry is German-Irish. I've never even been to Israel.
And as far as I know, even Orthodox Jews don't Tithe. It would be unlawful since they don't know which of them are Levites and there is no Temple.
As an unemployed Gentile living in the United States, I can't pay a Biblical Tithe. Since my Church is not the Biblical Temple and is not run by Levites, I can't pay them a Biblical Tithe.
@blueskunk12 Again what you said was profound, you're right they don't tithe. The Israelis that's in Israel are not Jews at no since of the fact nor of the bloodline, they are converted Jews and being you can't convert yourselved into a bloodline they are not the original Jews, not even one of the tribes. They are Ashkenazi and Khazars.
The love of money is the root of all evil. Many churches have replaced the faith in god during trials and temptations with money. Passing out bulletons is just as good as giving monitary funds. A true christian is known by the fruit not prosperity.
I do have to say that I'm down with ya beat, yo. It's kickin' and hot, man! I gotta get that beat. Perhaps, you can license me that beat instead of yah book, yo. I'm down with tha sounds.
THE LEVITES BUILT A CHAMBER FOR THEIR ADVERSARY(SANBALLAT) WHO DID WAS OPPOSE TO THE WALL BEING BUILT... THIS IS WAT IM SAYING, GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN HOW MUCH MONEY U GIVE TO HIM, ITS WHAT U DO FOR OTHERS WHO NEED IT MOST GOD DOES NOT NEED OUR MONEY PEOPLE DO.. THEY CHURCH IS NOT THE FOUR WALLA WE CONFINE OURSELVES TO EVERY SUNDAY, WE ARE THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH IS IN US...SO YES WE SHOULD GIVE TO THE CHURCH... WHEN U GIVE TO THE POOR(NATURALLY OR SPIRITUALLY) U LENDETH TO GOD.
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THEY CHILDREN OF ISREAL GAVE TITHES AND OFFERING OF MANY KINDS, THIS WAS A WAY TO FIND ACCEPTANCE TO GOD BUT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FAITH(WHICH WAS EVIDENT FROM GEN. TO NEHAMIAH) THIS SHOWS WHY NATURAL OFFERINGS DIDNT DO THEM ANY GOOD. THEY STILL SERVED IDOLS. THE HOUSE OF GOD WAS BUILT TWICE, THEY DECORATED IT AND GAVE THEIR BURNT OFFERINGS, THEY GAVE THEIR TITHES TO THE LEVITES IN THE BOOK OF NEHAMIAH AND WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE MONEY? SAME THING THATS GOIN ON NOW...
If you don't want to tithe, don't tithe lady. I give what I can to my God, who has blessed me exponentially, out of love. It's one of the ways I can say "thank you" to my maker.
Am I to understand that this teaching is based on your book and not on the Bible? If it's based on the TRUTH of the Bible, I'm all ears. If it's based on what you think, I'm going to stick with truth. I tithe because I love God and because I'm grateful of everything He's done for me. Not because of the "literal" meaning, or dissecting the Bible to get what I want out of it.
"Tithing" and "Giving" are not the same thing. She never spoke against financially supporting a church institution. She simply does not believe there should be a mandated percentage imposed upon the congregation in terms of their financial contributions. If a person is able, I think he/she should give, but the giving should be spirit led: NOT what the pastor or tradition says.
@Rectanglur1 Now you're a nut , show in scripture that she is lying? I am not even a christian and I agree with her. Don't call her a nut if you can't back it up with scripture. You're the nut!
@Rectanglur1 She is not a nut. Whats wrong "pastor". Can't make you Porsche payment this month and decided to go bash some real experts on the matter of FAITH.
So this is what Mr. Roadwarrior does....Go around picking on everyone on You tube with his Greek and Hebrew studies? Well He is to smart and well educated to understand the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ.This is why the real word is hid from the wise and prudent and given unto babes...so Babe you keep on teaching about them tithes....
@Elderyoungone Actually, I don't go around "picking" on people. I try to encourage people to know what they are talking about, to know the facts well, and to go beyond superficial studies. God is not against people having accurate knowledge. Simplicity has its place, but simplemindedness does not.
@CRoadwarrior Dude No one needs to be qualified to read the bible...I do not need a man to tell me if I am qualified when man can't even save himself unless he calls on the name of the Lord.You trust man and his institutions all you want to,I will trust my God. I know you know that the commandment to take tithes was CANCELED or "Disannulled!" Heb 7: 5,16,18. >> KIS << KEEP IT SIMPLE.
@Elderyoungone I don't disagree with you don't need to be qualified to read the bible. However, I'm sure you will agree that you need the Holy Spirit to lead you into truth. Do you believe God still give prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers? If not why? if yes, why would he still give them?
@AchreousD O.K Yes I Believe Yeshua still gives teachers Because if you read Verse 12 - 13,The saints must be perfected, and notice the word,"TILL"we all come in the unity of the faith.{TILL}this means once we are in the faith and know who the Son of God really is.This happens next >>1 John 2:24-27 Once we hear the truth we must keep it in us.(We heard it from the one who taught it.)Then verse 27..then you will not need any man to teach you.Then >>1 Cor.2:12 - 14 walla,The Holy Ghost teaches.
@Elderyoungone Dude. I never claimed anyone needed to be qualified to READ the Bible. However, teachers and preachers DO need to be qualified and they do need to have the Spirit. There are reasons why a Bishop or Elder should not be a "new convert" or "novice." And that has to do with pride and lack of knowledge and experience. I trust in God who uses people, but every cult out there started with an ignorant teacher who taught and deceived people.
@Elderyoungone That's exactly correct! The New Testament (NT) Command is to GIVE FREELY as you have been given, NOT out of necessity or compulsion (both of which totally describe the theme of OT Tithing), for God loves a cheerful giver. This couldn't possibly be any clearer, and why "Christians" want to continue to make this difficult is amazing. The OT is the SHADOW of the NT. The NT is the Living Light of God's Word AND FULLFILMENT OF ALL THINGS IN CHRIST! People, please get real. Do it today!
My question is, what are your qualifications for speaking about this topic? The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. Do you know these languages? Have you studied theology or history in any accredited institution? Anyone can write a book, but not everyone is qualified to speak on every topic.
@CRoadwarrior I spent several years reading, studying and researching the Bible on this particular topic. As stated in The Tithing Hoax NO ONE has to be a biblical scholar or a theologian in order to understand the TRUE meaning and purpose of tithing. What's needed is a thirst for TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING and a TEACHABLE SPIRIT.
@YourTitheExpert While I appreciate your answer, it still does not answer my specific question. There are Jehovah's Witnesses that have been studying the Bible for years as well, and yet their doctrine is still heretical and deceptive. I am not saying you are entirely wrong in your views on tithing, but I am saying that study alone does not necessarily guarantee accurate truth, especially if it's done without knowledge of the original languages.
@CRoadwarrior Tithing is actually a simple topic. It doesn't require an extensive knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. For instance the Hebrew word for tithe is ma'asar which literally means "tenth." Then we ask, from a biblical perspective, a tenth of what? The Bible tells us a tenth of agricultural produce.
I respect your point. I agree that study alone doesn't always produce truth. Many biblical scholars know Greek/Hebrew yet they're divided in their views on the Bible.
@YourTitheExpert While you are correct in basics, you may be off in assuming that the past agricultural produce is not equal to today's monetary income. Back then, various things, from produce to other things, were the way people exchanged goods and services. Today, these things have been transferred to monetary currency and its value. What you have to do is prove that the produce in the Bible does not equal today's monetary system.
@CRoadwarrior Some preachers equate today's so-called tithes with money b/c they say a monetary system did not exist in the ancient world, but that is not correct. I make no assumptions. I present biblical examples showing that silver and gold were used as currency. However, according to the Mosaic Law, tithes consisted of agricultural products. The Bible is clear about that.
@YourTitheExpert While I would not argue that a monetary system did not exist in Biblical times, it is also a fact that gold and silver were traded just like cattle and agricultural goods in those days. So gold and silver were not viewed as a monetary system in an exclusive sense. That Bible and Biblical history is clear about that as well.
@CRoadwarrior I get the gist of what you're saying. Nevertheless, the bottom line is that the biblical tithe consisted of agricultural produce. Furthermore, biblical tithing was Jewish ceremonial ritual that was not carried over into New Testament Christianity.
@YourTitheExpert Do you survey early church history to confirm that "Jewish ceremonial ritual that was not carried over into New Testament Christianity" or is that just an assumption? The earliest Christians were actually Jewish. And until the Temple was destroyed in AD 70, those Christians still did many things according to Jewish custom. But my initial question remains, what formal Biblical training have you had?
@CRoadwarrior I don't make any assumptions. There are several verses throughout the New Testament stating ceremonial rituals/laws (tithing) were abolished. People can take it or let it alone. If people don't believe that tithing was abolished, so be it. We just have to agree to disagree.
Furthermore, this is not about me. I always encourage people to do their own study and research.
@YourTitheExpert Again you did not answer the question. Saying you don't make assumptions does not demonstrate the depth of your research. And it is not wise to equate tithing with all the other rituals and laws without Biblical warrant. While we are not enjoined to abstain from shellfish in the New Testament, homosexuality is still called sin in both Testaments. So the abolition of one law does not prove the abolition of them all.
@YourTitheExpert Can you please share the scriptures/verses which suggests that tithing was abolished? If the bible confirms that tithing or any other law is abolished we must accept that but if there is not a book, chapter or verse within the bible clarifying this fact then it's just man's opinion.
@nomadak47 Excellent question. Please make sure you're sitting down! Leviticus 27:30-34 outlines that the fruit of the tree & the seed of the land is the Most High's & it's holy to him. Also, were told that the 10th one is holy not 10%. Here we go! Unless you're in a position to present what the Most High defines as holy & can give the tenth one of each tithable commodity to the levites as mentioned & in Numbers 18:20-32 you shouldn't be tithing anything (including money). This is just a little!
@CRoadwarrior Yes the Jewish Christian prior to AD 70 did many things according to Jewish custom, but this is why Paul warned the early church of those practices which was called "Galatianism" which means mingling the law with grace, which was forbidden. Check your history.
if they are making it such a strict teaching, it's very heart breaking to see a soul lost and never go back to church because of what the preacher said without knowledge that this soul didn't have a job and was living with a relative( saw this happen personally) who is now lost because of money
mrsharmon28 1 week ago
I keep seeing people say Abraham tithe, but did u see the verses after it where he kept nothing for himself and may I add that Abraham never tithed from his own possesion, it was from spoils of war when he went to get Lot. With that being if u disagree, them you need to do like u think he did, give 10% and give the other 90% to something else and keep nothing for yourself
mrsharmon28 1 week ago
We can say we are not under a 10% tithe and have God show us what to do with 100% of our money.
(Romans 6:18-20) The law was replaced with our obedience to Christ which could be dealing with anything.
And Jesus is our High Priest. (Hebrews 9:11) "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building."
We can't go murder and steal, then say we're not under the law.
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2 Corinthians 9: vers.7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; "not grudgingly, or of necessity; for God loveth a cheerful giver. This means you can give to; and what ever you want; aka purposeth in ur heart.
brotherfrank62 2 weeks ago
If you really want to part with your money by putting it in church, go to the New Testament and learn how to give cheerfully and not grudgingly. Don't give just 10%. Give according to need and affordability. That's what works for me. I should help with the lights and other utilities in the church. I can do this without being a tither--just one who gives freely. AMEN!
llakewms17 3 weeks ago
The beautiful thing about tithing is that it garners money and leads to success. With a large congregation of members who don't read or study the Bible for themselves (mostly women in these churchs that I know), a guy--oops, minister--can state things that are not biblical and many will believe him. He becomes successful and they continue to struggle monetarily.
llakewms17 3 weeks ago
what if i don't tithe?
ray0991 3 weeks ago
Tithing is a principle of giving no matter how you twist it! Nice try though.
renewedtoday 4 weeks ago
@renewedtoday
I'm glad you have principles! Perhaps you would like to elaborate on where is this principle of tithing! I've never seen it! I think there is a clue in your comment, however, in that you think a principle is something that you have to "twist"! I disagree! I think God's Word simply needs to be taken at face value. It's only those who propagate man-made doctrines who need to twist scripture to fit the doctrine! So it is with those who teaching tithing as a biblical principle!!
BranchintheVine 3 weeks ago
You are pretty!
MerryJoy123 1 month ago
Thanks! I'm learning a lot!
MerryJoy123 1 month ago
Amen! Please read Hebrews 7. It will dispel the tithing law that is being taught.
ver2uswoman 1 month ago
Do you have a free copy for the book on internet??
I need this book, but have no money right now.
ivanasimic1 1 month ago
I am going to write a book about it, and about other false teachings in our churches.
ivanasimic1 1 month ago
How can I get a copy of this book??? I live in Europe, please, people here in my country need to know the truth about this.
ivanasimic1 1 month ago
To my sister that did the video: keep on keeping' on! Hopefully this will drive people to listen to their Father or continue to be led away with falsehoods.
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Tithing is NOT for New Covenant believers.
For proof, read:
"Mystery Revealed: Why Millions of Christian Tithers are Broke" on my blog.
RevolutionEraBlog 2 months ago
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Exodus Chapter 20: vers.17 Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. The 10th commandment.
brotherfrank62 2 months ago
1. Abraham tithed under grace. He was not under the law.
2. Grace always goes above and beyond the law. If you believe that tithing is a teaching for those that are under the law, then you should be giving God 15% or 20%. Are you giving that much to God?
guerojordan 2 months ago
Lady this isn't new stuff I heard this bull along time ago. If your sitting in a church that does not preach the gospel ( the good news that Christ is the only way to heaven ), soul win,help the saint,widows,fatherless,ect. you need not to put money in the plate. But if you are in a church like that your missing out if you don't tithe.10% of all your increase is what God said. A banker doesn't do much farming now does he.So only farmers are to tithe right ?
dswa2286 2 months ago
1 Corinth 6:10 "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor EXTORTIONERS, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Extortion: Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority. If your ministry require a tithe, I would study a little more on the topic before teaching it any further. If you place people back under the law, the Good News no longer feel good. It begins to feel like oppression.
VSMOnline 2 months ago
If the tithe was a mandate, then you would be guilty of either neglecting the church, or neglecting your family. That will make you FORCED into sin. That's not possible. @samariababii Sometimes I give more, sometimes I give less. When God places it on our hearts, we just sow understanding the principle of the seed. We never calculate a percentage.
VSMOnline 2 months ago
@higherground2050 that is what I am saying. It is not a requirement. I would feel much better if it was done as tithing was done in biblical times. To help those in need when there was a need. I do understand how it can be hard to distinguish between those who need and those who exploit. That's where spiritual discernment comes in. You are right, 1 Timothy 1:8 says that if you don't provide for your own house, you deny the faith and is worse than an infidel.
VSMOnline 2 months ago
That means that we must go back to sacrifice, that means that Christ died in vain (Gal. 2:21), that means that we must examine the cattle we eat, check our fish for marks, and shellfish such as lobsters, oysters, shrimp, clams and crabs are all forbidden, No more Red Lobster (Lev. 11). We need to bring Strangulation, burning, stoning, and decapitation by sword back into the judicial system Lev 20:10-14, 22:24, and 26:25. Who's game????
VSMOnline 2 months ago
@VSMOnline but but but the preacher said if I dont's gives him all my thithes I wonts be blessed later with enoughs monies to pays my rents.
higherground2050 2 months ago
@higherground2050 your not really that stupid are you ? you can't tell when a church is ripping of God and there members ? look if your church is supporting missionaries then tithe what you can, if not go give it to a widow or a pore family.But today I'm sure most so called Christians would rather give it to the bartender.
dswa2286 2 months ago
@dswa2286 I know that dummy. I was just being sarcastic. I do NOT believe tithe is a requirement like how men teach.
higherground2050 2 months ago
@higherground2050 :)
dswa2286 2 months ago
Ironically, because we realized that God loved us so much that he would free us from the debt of the mosaic law, NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS aka. Law of God, we have given more than we ever had while we were tithing. We give because we understand the principle and purpose of the seed, not be cause we are ordered to by the law. If we are required to tithe, we are required to do everything in Lev. 27 that surrounds the tithe! We can't pick and choose! Right?
VSMOnline 2 months ago
Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. See, many Christians aren't RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth. It amazes me how so many just follow and don't study for themselves. My family have been blessed tremendously via our free will offerings....
VSMOnline 2 months ago
have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with....
VSMOnline 2 months ago
See, if you would really study the Word you will find that the tithe is biblical, but not Christian. Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law, the "Nomos," when he was sacrificed on the cross. Galatians 3:13 states, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" further...Galatians 2:16-21 States, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we....
VSMOnline 2 months ago
"'If God gave man dominion over all creations,why we He [God] create money"...sound more like human planning and not divine planning...the innovations of mankind are beguile that lead to self-ignorance...WAKE UP FOLKS!!! the grounds are cursed,the table is tilted, nobody has room for logic anymore...to busy taking on world ideologies...SMDH
lilripsta1995 4 months ago
Unrighteous Persons hate the tithe. Your uncle Sam the government takes from you. The Lord Trust us with the tithe. You cant give cows and chickens at church today. May your money come to the Kingdom of God and Me. I pray your book does well that the money comes to me now. For the Kingdom of God, thanks keep up the good wicked wealth building.
samariababii 4 months ago
@samariababii do you truly give exactly 10% of your gross income?
higherground2050 2 months ago
Thank you for posting truth. The pastors that teach tithing are either ignorant greedy or lying.
hcgrace1966 4 months ago
This video had me in tears "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hose 4:6 .
Dia14us 5 months ago
I made yet ANOTHER video where I show you the MONEY.Watch it.It it called,"The Stewy Jacobs effect,what happens when you stop tithing."
Elderyoungone 5 months ago
However, those types and shadows teach us about the spiritual truth. I believe that we are still supposed to tithe, yet not of natural food, but of spiritual food (milk, break, meat, wine, oil) i,e. the word of God!! The tithe was given by the children of Israel to the Levites, Aaron and his sons (The Priesthood). We are simultaneously the children of Israel and a royal priesthood! As a child of Israel, we are to tithe the revelation of God's word to one another. As priests we receive.
TrueJewJubalee 5 months ago
Blessings to you sister. The LORD spoke to me about tithe and offering right before I was about to go to bed 2 years ago.Scripture is very clear that the tithe was food and that it was meant to be eaten. As in the scriptures you mentioned, the tithe was wine, oil, bread, milk, meats i.e. food and drink. The scriptures tell us that the Torah (law) was a shadow of the good things but not the very image;
TrueJewJubalee 5 months ago
Just incase you haven't noticed, we no longer live in agricultural times! Currency has taken its place. Yes, you are suppose to tithe with money, 10 percent of your gross belong to God. Not because God needs your money, no. God wants us to be obedient in that area. Keep in mind that we are free moral agents and you don't have to do nothing you want to do. But be prepared to loose sleep over money you thought was in your checking or savings account.
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pacbiggiecom 5 months ago
PLZ ALL WHO THINK TITHING IS WRONG GO TO VIDEO ON YOUTUBE (RTDCHP THE TITHING QUESTION)..THIS WILL HELP YOU AND CLEARLY OU ARE BEING MOVED SPIRITUAL TO SEEK..NOW FIND.
RTDCHP 6 months ago
@RTDCHP Clearly any fool who really does this is an idiot. Why would the people go to this video. Instead how about appointing to some bible vs. So,they can prove they own self appove. I'm 17 years old and its constant tedious. I keep seeing people post stuff like this on videos. No you are not suppose to tithe because god did away with it. Thereforth it is not in the new testament. Yes it was giving but a lot of the times it was STOLEN by that person. I bet you call yourself a Christian.
kalaworld 5 months ago
@kalaworld hello you said "God did away with it (tithing)" Kindly show me in the Bible where he did away..Thank you I look forward to hearing from you, but I am also sure you will not be able to show me scripture..No offense, but you will not be able to produce.
RTDCHP 5 months ago
@kalaworld how, when, why, and where was tithing ever done away with? Perverted, twisted, misunderstood....sure.. but done away with... Yeshua said that He came to fulfill...not to do away with. Those who preach that what God has spoken from old is done away with make His word of no effect.
TrueJewJubalee 5 months ago
@TrueJewJubalee He had different names for different occasions, is the name Yeshua right for this one. I'll tell you once I have found my Hebrew bible, because King James mess up everything.
*NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN*
kalaworld 4 months ago
@RTDCHP Also you never suppose to correct someone in public, you do know there is private messaging. If you see or hear someone get something wrong you tell them privately. Didn't they talk about this in the bible. That was very rude of you to comment in caps. Yes, we do see your comment sir.
kalaworld 5 months ago
@kalaworld Becuse of my lack of internest savy i did not know there was private msg. nevertheless, when one gooes public they also should be prepared for public question. I am also glad, as you have said that you were wrong but you would have prefered me to adrress your wrong private. No thanks..public wrong..public correct.
RTDCHP 5 months ago
@RTDCHP the reaso why i encourage people to go to youtube video is because video give the bible scripture for you to follow..It not rocket science, just simple but powerful bible. LET THE WORD OF GOD BE THE FINAL AUTHORITY.
RTDCHP 5 months ago
NO SHE IS NOT A NUT..JUST NOT BIBLICALLY ACCURATE..
RTDCHP 6 months ago
SHE STARTED OUT WRONG. TITHING DOES NOT OR DID NOT BEGIN UNDER THE LAW IT BEGAN WITH ABRAHAM IN GEN. ( PLZ GO 2 VIDEO THE QUESTION OF TITHING / RTDCHP) WHAT EVER BOOK SHE WAS READING FROM ALSO WAS INCORRECT. TITHING BEGAN NOT WITH ARGRICULTURAL GIVING BUT WITH MONEY GIVING..NEITHER SHE NOR WHOEVER WROTE THE BOOK SHE IS REFERED KNEW ENOUGH BIBLE TO GET IT RIGHT..
RTDCHP 6 months ago
We are to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and mind but when it comes to the tithe God is off limits. Did not the apostle Paul say that we are to have our bodies as a living sacrifice which is your reasonable service? However at what percent is God's? Did you forget that Jesus said to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the thing that are God's? Why does a waiter get 15% but God should not even get ten?
RepresentingTruth 7 months ago
@RepresentingTruth ---
Your post is speculative. You can't build a doctrine on what or how we think it should be. Not hermetically sound. Christians obey the command, no command to tithe anything in the New Testament church.
nomadak47 7 months ago
@nomadak47 Okay where in the NT does it command us to abstain from bestiality? If there is no command not to do it, then according to your "speculative" premise it would be okay. The priesthood is still here but under the order of Melchizedek. The sons of Levi paid tithes to him through Abraham. Hint you may want to study out the priesthood of the believer. I may be dead wrong but I think Jesus is alive and well and it is not a sin to tithe to him. Maybe allowing him in our wallet is okay.
RepresentingTruth 7 months ago
@RepresentingTruth What is beastiallity?
nomadak47 7 months ago
@nomadak47 Sorry I responded just before work. What I meant to say was having sex with animals. My bad.
RepresentingTruth 7 months ago
Hello RepresentingTruth, Sex with animals would fall under fornication. Fornication is the master word for sexual misconduct. Also natural/moral law would be invoked here, our conscience knows. Even the animal kingdom reflects this.
On tithing money there is no directive from the Word of God to the Body of Christ to do such. However, it would be a natural law/moral to give. If we see a need we give. But giving does not always mean money.
Do you have any scriptures on tithing money?
Ty.
nomadak47 7 months ago
@nomadak47 I believe that tithing is biblical. I also believe one must take as many verses on the matter before coming to an conclusion. So do I yes but I will ask this question. If no money was tithed then does that mean that only farmers and those that had cattle tithed? This is not a nasty question but an observation. Thanks
RepresentingTruth 7 months ago
@RepresentingTruth Hello, and thank you for a right spirit in discussing the Word of God. Many get bent out of shape in these discussions. I too believe tithing is biblical.
Under the Mosaic Law only food items could be brought as a tithe. No live stock or Agriculture no tithe required. Did you know the tither at times partook of his tithe and ate it? All I'm saying is I and many others cannot find a directive aimed at the Body of Christ to tithe anything. Not all church bodies teach tithing.
nomadak47 6 months ago
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
I meant senior citizens should not be expected to give.
Virgetta1 7 months ago
I meant "should be expected to give."
Virgetta1 7 months ago
Mandatory payments are bondage and Jesus freed us from bondage. People who give more than they can afford are being exploited. There is no way that a senior citizen who can barely buy medicine should not be expected to give, the church should be helping them! Giving out of anything but love for God is meaningless. Incessant begging and burdensome financial expectations is the biggest turn off in the institutional church. Who needs another big fancy building anyway?
Virgetta1 7 months ago
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Matt: 5:17,18 NIV
Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them . I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear ,not the smallest letter,not the last stroke of a pen,will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished.
foreversheneil 7 months ago
...i'm wondering why there is a lot of people saying ... Lord i will follow you ..i will serve you.. i will give my heart to you... my soul... my strength... even my life...but not my tithes... not my 10% income...,so ridiculous....you deceived yourself,
..how can you say that you can give to God everything but you fail to give your tithes...it's love of money that is in you
God does not need your money!
I give my tithes not because of the law but because I love Him..
...see what abraham did..
foreversheneil 7 months ago
If 10% of your increase does NOT belong to GOD, then what % does? U can NEVER show GOD faith without a valuable substance. $ is a valuable substance. I'll give u over 100 testimonies n a hr of the POWER of the TITHE & the miracles that follow. Show me the "power of NOT Tithing" lol. Worldly teachn. Everythng n the OT is relevant in the NT & that includes the law. Sum villages can't help but to eat pig & GOD 4gives, but it's still unhealthy to eat. i will NOT giv to GOD wat cost me nothing.
dzheath 7 months ago
Yea. In these end times true believers got to pray and study the Bible. Let BEWARE
1humility 8 months ago
Food, Drink and Cattle were all sources of income (via trading or money) in the day this was written. By tithing, you allow yourself to be a giver and not a taker - it's a form of worship to me. How many people go to church, but never give a dime? This is not a question of wheather or not you're going to heaven beacuse works don't get you to heaven - your relationship with Jesus does. I think as Christians, it's important for us give to our church first from our earnings.
PilotPaul06 8 months ago
Thanks for reinforncing my thoughts on tithing. For a long time I felt guilty about not being able to give 10% due to my family's situation. But once I really started to study the word I have a better understanding.
brazencolor 8 months ago
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If jesus came to fulfill the law
conway329 8 months ago
First you are wrong from the beginning.The first biblical mention of tithing is in Genesis 14. After four Mesopotamian kings had taken Lot captive, Abraham attacked them and recovered all the booty. After his victory, the king of Sodom came out to meet him, and so did Melchizedek, a priest of God. Melchizedek blessed Abraham, and then Abraham "gave him a tenth of everything"...KJV "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all."
vgarrett27 8 months ago
@vgarrett27 Read the entire thing, Abraham resuced Lot and his realtives and their possessions. He gave Melchizedek a tenth of the possession. Melchizedek told him give him the people and keep the possesions, Abraham refused because he didn't want the King to give him something he did not own. He didn't want him to say he made him rich, he only wanted what his men had eaten and he told him to give them their share.
brazencolor 8 months ago
Excellent. guilt free now.
catsogod 9 months ago
robb not the poor because he is poor. he who shut's his ear to the cry of the poor, will also cry himself and not be heard.
corneliuslb 10 months ago
Overall, excellent video, and well researched. Well done.
MrBiblicalscholar 10 months ago
Tithing was not encouraged or requested by Jesus. Tithing began in the days when the head of an empire of nation owned everything. The tithe, which was not always ten percent, was kept back by the king to disperse with the poor. This tithing was primarily livestock, because the responsibilty to feed the poor.
MrBiblicalscholar 10 months ago 2
@MrBiblicalscholar Correction- Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42 support the fact that Yahshua encouraged tithing but confirmed that judgment, mercy, faith and the love of God were more important. More support for this truth can be found in Matthew 8:4 when Yahshua healed a man and informed him to go to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded for a testimony unto them. Please be advised that (GIFT) is the key -Read (Numbers 18:20-28).
Thebibleconsultant 7 months ago
@MrBiblicalscholar come on peple MATTHEW? 21:11 "Jesus is a Prophet And Not a GOD!"
Read Your Bible's Christians. They will bring you to islam!
DNMevolution 7 months ago
Hello beloved sister in the Lord Jesus Christ. Well done. You have done your homework on this subject. I caught you on a radio program on Blogtalk radio which I thoroughly enjoyed. Keep on teaching the unadulterated Word of God as it is revealed in the scriptures not imagined by men and women who don't search and look for themselves to see what His word really says on the matter. I plan to get your book and thanks for posting. visit: yeshawaterdotcom
yeshualovesu2 10 months ago
Good video.
bakariw1 10 months ago
I appreciate your Youtube comments and insights. But I am wondering what is your objective. Are you out to expose the money hungry preachers or are you trying to bring to light some doctrinal principal
Robgee1247 10 months ago
Actually there are 3 whole tithes ( 10ths ) in the Old Testament, none of which is money, none of which applies to New Testament believers in Jesus.
2 Corinthians Chapters 8 and 9 teach giving but not tithing. The Parable of The Talents also teaches on the right use of The Lord's money in context. Luke Ch. 18 has Jesus teaching that those who give up for the Kingdom's sake will receive many more in this time.
Tithing is not for us as Christians.
MyHunnyBunnyNora 11 months ago
lets use our brains people....some people live off of their income... some live off of their crops and cattle and such. a farmer giving 10% of his/her crops, is the same thing as a person working a 9 to 5 giving 10% of his/her money.
RONJR9007 11 months ago
@RONJR9007
This is NOT Biblical.
The Bible says that the Tithe was food, grown/raised in Israel, given to the Levites as their Inheritance, and distributed to the poor.
It does not say that laborers Tithed. It does not say that those who worked for money Tithed. The Bible says the Tithe was FOOD.
I think the problem is that you either do not know what the Bible says, or you do not believe what the Bible says.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 so take 10% of my income and buy food and give it to the church. how the church utility bills gonna get paid? what about building maintenance? preachers will have to find full time jobs on the side and make time to run the church. what about the gas for the church bus for members without transportation. the list goes on. in old testament days the church didn't have these issues.the only need was pretty much food and shelter. churches today do alot more than food and shelter.
RONJR9007 11 months ago
@RONJR9007 You talk like the church is a Big business. The church is not supposed to be about how much money they can make, but about teaching people the word of God and that doesn't require a building. The church can go home to home if they have to.
cvmarii 10 months ago
@blueskunk12 I recently found that out also and I can't believe that the church has a bunch of crooks in it. Money is the root of all evil indeed even in the church.
cvmarii 10 months ago
@cvmarii
It was hard for me to accept as well. But the more I sought after God, the more I learned that the Churches are false.
blueskunk12 10 months ago
@blueskunk12 Excellent point and insight!
Thebibleconsultant 7 months ago
@Monstergoat66
Indeed, the Church calls 10% of our income the Tithe. That's not Biblical.
The Jews gave three Tithes, the LORD's Tithe found in Lev 27, the Festival Tithe found in Deu 14, and the Poor Tithe found in Deu 26.
Of those three Tithes, the first says the tenth animal (not the first) is Tithed. The second says that it is to be used to hold a celebration and eaten by those who brought it. The third Tithe is to be shared with the poor.
But the Church doesn't teach any of this. Why?
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 .some people live off of their income... some live off of their crops and cattle and such. a farmer giving 10% of his crops, is the same thing as a person working a 9 to 5 giving 10% of his money. Deuteronomy 14:25..{ then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine, or anything you wish} you see it helps to read the whole chapter. not just one verse.
RONJR9007 11 months ago
@RONJR9007 Where does it said give money to pastor.
Brown11434 11 months ago
@RONJR9007
The Bible disagrees with you.
Deu 14:26
Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice.
See? They turned the money back into food. Then they ATE. And NONE of it went into the Storehouse.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 would you give wine to the church today? the point I'm trying to make is that things run differently in todays world. use common sense. how is donating food going to help in a country where the homeless is over weight. every organization that helps others is funded through peoples donations. alot of churches do alot to help the community. and they wouldn't be able to do it if not for the money from its members.
RONJR9007 11 months ago
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@RONJR9007
Your mind is set on worldly things.
Luke 16:13-15
“No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@RONJR9007 .......... Ever since the fall of man, The Most High said we have to work. I actually know preachers with full time jobs. I work with one. No one on this planet has to PAY to hear the WORD of our Heavenly Father. You can easily read the word for yourself and gain the knowledge & understanding he wants you to have.
Our main agenda should be following his Law, Keep HIS Sabbath, read HIS word, Stay in High Faith, repent and turn away from sin. NOT PAY!! Churches now days are businesses
Colls1870 10 months ago
@RONJR9007 Fair point however in those world there was still money. The Bible says in Genesis that Abraham was rich in Livestock, Silver and Gold. Food and livestock could be sold t generate money if the churches which preaches Tithing will accept it. America is not the Only Country which Tithing is preached by Most prosperity preachers so your argument that donating food to an overweight homeless (In USA) Incorrect. Please read the Bible in context
1humility 9 months ago
@1humility I guess if you read scripture correctly it reads "so that they may be food in my house" these hungry greedy wolves have taken food to LUXURY.
siyanda00 8 months ago
@RONJR9007 Good point but giving freely is not what is being stressed, tithing is. Most Ministers use Malachi at the same time they are reinforcing it with 2 Corinthians. Some who does not truly study the bible (like I used to be) would be conflicted and give only out of a sense of obligation and guilt. The complete oposite of what what 2 Corintians is teaching...just saying
brazencolor 8 months ago
@Monstergoat66
Let's consider this.
If the law is not burdensome, the only possibility is that Israel didn't want to obey God. This doesn't make sense, since the Jews constantly accused Jesus of breaking the law.
And, if God's law is not burdensome, then we could simply obey it ourselves, and so earn our own righteousness. But Paul says no one is righteous by following the law, instead, the law reveals our sin.
So I believe that God's law is so burdensome that only God can follow it.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@Monstergoat66
But too many people pick which parts of the law they will try to follow and which they think they can safely ignore. I believe that's wrong. James 2:10-11 says if we keep all but one of God's law, we're counted as having broken all of them. And Galatians 5:4 says that if we try to follow the law, we reject Christ.
Giving is great. It's how the Old Testament Temple was built (Exodus 35). But too many people don't trust God, so they impose a 10% tax and call it the Tithe.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@Monstergoat66
See, the thing is I believe that no one can keep any part of the law.
I believe the law was given to show that we cannot earn God's favor. It's to show that we fall short in every way.
I also believe that's why God came down in the form of Jesus - to keep the law for us, then to die in our place for breaking the law, then to rise again with new life.
So I believe that anyone trying to follow any part of the law denies Jesus Christ.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
Thanks for posting this video, before i even saw this God was already dealing with me in this area of tithing...I hve a delimia however- about 6mths ago the Lord revealed this very thing to my husband who went and talked to our pastor about what he had discovered in the word.. needless to say it wasn't completely received. God has recently stired up in me on the topic of tithing as well-. my question is should i go and talk to our pastor as well?
rachelmm05 11 months ago
And being that some christians are under Grace and not Law, then that scripture I posted don't fit them about 10% Numbers is the Law. The Bible is clear:
"2Cr 9:7 NASB - Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
What part of that don't one understand? You give what you can as an intention from your spirit to give.
rahim4411 11 months ago
Also, i walked away from my church for almost three years and i certainly wasn't sending checks in my absence. God blessed me tremendously on my job during this time. I had haters/backstabbers/liars...people attacking me cuz of my talents left and right, but God promoted me in spite of them. I'm now getting back to church and my pastor had me shook on tithing, but God brought what he did for me during the past few years to my attn and I can see now what matters most to Him and its not our money.
slimcola21 1 year ago
Tithing was a COMMAND in the old testament, meaning people HAD to do it or it was like breaking the law.Tithing was linked to salvation. In the new testament we are under grace, so even if we don't tithe, our souls are not damned to hell. Tithing can't save you. Also, tithing doesn't mean money alone. If you can't afford to tithe you can give your services to the church, donate to people in need, etc. The main command we have in the new testament is to love one another as Jesus loved the church
slimcola21 1 year ago
I have been questioning the validity of the tithe as a monetary vehical for years. Thank you my beautiful sister for enlightening all of us. Do you ever stop.
Theaaronjms 1 year ago
@Theaaronjms You're welcome. Thank you for watching.
Peace & Blessings
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
Lev 27:30
“A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD."
Lev 27:32
"Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the LORD.”
This is the Biblical definition of the Tithe.
Lev 27:34
These are the commands the LORD gave Moses at Mount Sinai for the Israelites.
The Tithe was FOOD produced in Israel and it was a COMMAND from God.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 It was specifically for the Levites:
Num 18:26 KJV - Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.
So who considers themselves as Levites here?
rahim4411 11 months ago
@rahim4411
Not me. I'm a Gentile.
But many people are stuck in Religion and don't understand this.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 LOL your statement "NOT ME I'M A GENTILE "had me laughing that is a classic lol why did you say that ? You got my chest hurting lol Ima use that lol
rahim4411 11 months ago
@rahim4411
I'm not a Levite or even a Jew. I'm Caucasian from and in the United States. My ancestry is German-Irish. I've never even been to Israel.
And as far as I know, even Orthodox Jews don't Tithe. It would be unlawful since they don't know which of them are Levites and there is no Temple.
As an unemployed Gentile living in the United States, I can't pay a Biblical Tithe. Since my Church is not the Biblical Temple and is not run by Levites, I can't pay them a Biblical Tithe.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 Again what you said was profound, you're right they don't tithe. The Israelis that's in Israel are not Jews at no since of the fact nor of the bloodline, they are converted Jews and being you can't convert yourselved into a bloodline they are not the original Jews, not even one of the tribes. They are Ashkenazi and Khazars.
Peace
rahim4411 11 months ago
@rahim4411
Not to say I'm against giving. But I do believe if we're going to say we believe in the Bible, we need to do what it says.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 Peace be upon you. Blue well I have to agree with you on that and a thumbs up you get no argument from me, that was profound. Thank you.
rahim4411 11 months ago
The love of money is the root of all evil. Many churches have replaced the faith in god during trials and temptations with money. Passing out bulletons is just as good as giving monitary funds. A true christian is known by the fruit not prosperity.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
its funny how the preachers say plant a seed, what they really mean give me all your money. these preachers are just mafia people.
nedlund 1 year ago
Well I was able to post it on MS; that's a good thing!
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
You're kidding! I've been trying to embed this video on FB and it won't take now I see the embed code has been disabled. That's a shame!
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
I do have to say that I'm down with ya beat, yo. It's kickin' and hot, man! I gotta get that beat. Perhaps, you can license me that beat instead of yah book, yo. I'm down with tha sounds.
songwriter4artists 1 year ago
this lady is nuts... i don't have any agricultiral produce... trying to sell books...
rici81wil 1 year ago
Preach it.....if you read your bible when you go from the Old Testament to the New Testament the Laws died with Jesus.......
NSBrepz 1 year ago
C'mon...religion is a joke. Lining pockets. People taking advantage of people. Creepy.
charlietuna34 1 year ago
THE LEVITES BUILT A CHAMBER FOR THEIR ADVERSARY(SANBALLAT) WHO DID WAS OPPOSE TO THE WALL BEING BUILT... THIS IS WAT IM SAYING, GOD IS NOT INTERESTED IN HOW MUCH MONEY U GIVE TO HIM, ITS WHAT U DO FOR OTHERS WHO NEED IT MOST GOD DOES NOT NEED OUR MONEY PEOPLE DO.. THEY CHURCH IS NOT THE FOUR WALLA WE CONFINE OURSELVES TO EVERY SUNDAY, WE ARE THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH IS IN US...SO YES WE SHOULD GIVE TO THE CHURCH... WHEN U GIVE TO THE POOR(NATURALLY OR SPIRITUALLY) U LENDETH TO GOD.
daryl4prezident850 1 year ago
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT THEY CHILDREN OF ISREAL GAVE TITHES AND OFFERING OF MANY KINDS, THIS WAS A WAY TO FIND ACCEPTANCE TO GOD BUT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FAITH(WHICH WAS EVIDENT FROM GEN. TO NEHAMIAH) THIS SHOWS WHY NATURAL OFFERINGS DIDNT DO THEM ANY GOOD. THEY STILL SERVED IDOLS. THE HOUSE OF GOD WAS BUILT TWICE, THEY DECORATED IT AND GAVE THEIR BURNT OFFERINGS, THEY GAVE THEIR TITHES TO THE LEVITES IN THE BOOK OF NEHAMIAH AND WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE MONEY? SAME THING THATS GOIN ON NOW...
daryl4prezident850 1 year ago
If you don't want to tithe, don't tithe lady. I give what I can to my God, who has blessed me exponentially, out of love. It's one of the ways I can say "thank you" to my maker.
trueworship49 1 year ago
Am I to understand that this teaching is based on your book and not on the Bible? If it's based on the TRUTH of the Bible, I'm all ears. If it's based on what you think, I'm going to stick with truth. I tithe because I love God and because I'm grateful of everything He's done for me. Not because of the "literal" meaning, or dissecting the Bible to get what I want out of it.
trueworship49 1 year ago
do a little more studying. The word Paul gives also say's what soever a man soweth that shall he also reap!!!
Giving didn't start in the new testament, it started in Genesis "Cain and Abel"
TheGetright1 1 year ago
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suaved 1 year ago
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@TheGetright1
"Tithing" and "Giving" are not the same thing. She never spoke against financially supporting a church institution. She simply does not believe there should be a mandated percentage imposed upon the congregation in terms of their financial contributions. If a person is able, I think he/she should give, but the giving should be spirit led: NOT what the pastor or tradition says.
suaved 1 year ago
This woman is a nut.
Rectanglur1 1 year ago
@Rectanglur1 I'm not a nut. What I share in the videos is based on reading and studying the topic of tithing in its proper biblical context.
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago 7
@YourTitheExpert Good post sista! Peace be upon you.
rahim4411 11 months ago
@Rectanglur1 You're the nut because you've obviously bought into the false tithing doctrine.
LeftyStratPlayer 1 year ago
@Rectanglur1 Now you're a nut , show in scripture that she is lying? I am not even a christian and I agree with her. Don't call her a nut if you can't back it up with scripture. You're the nut!
rahim4411 11 months ago
@Rectanglur1 She is not a nut. Whats wrong "pastor". Can't make you Porsche payment this month and decided to go bash some real experts on the matter of FAITH.
SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago
So this is what Mr. Roadwarrior does....Go around picking on everyone on You tube with his Greek and Hebrew studies? Well He is to smart and well educated to understand the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ.This is why the real word is hid from the wise and prudent and given unto babes...so Babe you keep on teaching about them tithes....
Elderyoungone 1 year ago
@Elderyoungone Actually, I don't go around "picking" on people. I try to encourage people to know what they are talking about, to know the facts well, and to go beyond superficial studies. God is not against people having accurate knowledge. Simplicity has its place, but simplemindedness does not.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior Dude No one needs to be qualified to read the bible...I do not need a man to tell me if I am qualified when man can't even save himself unless he calls on the name of the Lord.You trust man and his institutions all you want to,I will trust my God. I know you know that the commandment to take tithes was CANCELED or "Disannulled!" Heb 7: 5,16,18. >> KIS << KEEP IT SIMPLE.
Elderyoungone 1 year ago
@Elderyoungone I don't disagree with you don't need to be qualified to read the bible. However, I'm sure you will agree that you need the Holy Spirit to lead you into truth. Do you believe God still give prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers? If not why? if yes, why would he still give them?
AchreousD 1 year ago
@AchreousD O.K Yes I Believe Yeshua still gives teachers Because if you read Verse 12 - 13,The saints must be perfected, and notice the word,"TILL"we all come in the unity of the faith.{TILL}this means once we are in the faith and know who the Son of God really is.This happens next >>1 John 2:24-27 Once we hear the truth we must keep it in us.(We heard it from the one who taught it.)Then verse 27..then you will not need any man to teach you.Then >>1 Cor.2:12 - 14 walla,The Holy Ghost teaches.
Elderyoungone 1 year ago
@Elderyoungone Dude. I never claimed anyone needed to be qualified to READ the Bible. However, teachers and preachers DO need to be qualified and they do need to have the Spirit. There are reasons why a Bishop or Elder should not be a "new convert" or "novice." And that has to do with pride and lack of knowledge and experience. I trust in God who uses people, but every cult out there started with an ignorant teacher who taught and deceived people.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@Elderyoungone That's exactly correct! The New Testament (NT) Command is to GIVE FREELY as you have been given, NOT out of necessity or compulsion (both of which totally describe the theme of OT Tithing), for God loves a cheerful giver. This couldn't possibly be any clearer, and why "Christians" want to continue to make this difficult is amazing. The OT is the SHADOW of the NT. The NT is the Living Light of God's Word AND FULLFILMENT OF ALL THINGS IN CHRIST! People, please get real. Do it today!
PentacostalPreacher 1 year ago
@PentacostalPreacher Thank you my friend.
Elderyoungone 1 year ago
My question is, what are your qualifications for speaking about this topic? The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. Do you know these languages? Have you studied theology or history in any accredited institution? Anyone can write a book, but not everyone is qualified to speak on every topic.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior I spent several years reading, studying and researching the Bible on this particular topic. As stated in The Tithing Hoax NO ONE has to be a biblical scholar or a theologian in order to understand the TRUE meaning and purpose of tithing. What's needed is a thirst for TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING and a TEACHABLE SPIRIT.
Peace & Blessings!
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert While I appreciate your answer, it still does not answer my specific question. There are Jehovah's Witnesses that have been studying the Bible for years as well, and yet their doctrine is still heretical and deceptive. I am not saying you are entirely wrong in your views on tithing, but I am saying that study alone does not necessarily guarantee accurate truth, especially if it's done without knowledge of the original languages.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior Tithing is actually a simple topic. It doesn't require an extensive knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. For instance the Hebrew word for tithe is ma'asar which literally means "tenth." Then we ask, from a biblical perspective, a tenth of what? The Bible tells us a tenth of agricultural produce.
I respect your point. I agree that study alone doesn't always produce truth. Many biblical scholars know Greek/Hebrew yet they're divided in their views on the Bible.
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert While you are correct in basics, you may be off in assuming that the past agricultural produce is not equal to today's monetary income. Back then, various things, from produce to other things, were the way people exchanged goods and services. Today, these things have been transferred to monetary currency and its value. What you have to do is prove that the produce in the Bible does not equal today's monetary system.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior Some preachers equate today's so-called tithes with money b/c they say a monetary system did not exist in the ancient world, but that is not correct. I make no assumptions. I present biblical examples showing that silver and gold were used as currency. However, according to the Mosaic Law, tithes consisted of agricultural products. The Bible is clear about that.
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert While I would not argue that a monetary system did not exist in Biblical times, it is also a fact that gold and silver were traded just like cattle and agricultural goods in those days. So gold and silver were not viewed as a monetary system in an exclusive sense. That Bible and Biblical history is clear about that as well.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior I get the gist of what you're saying. Nevertheless, the bottom line is that the biblical tithe consisted of agricultural produce. Furthermore, biblical tithing was Jewish ceremonial ritual that was not carried over into New Testament Christianity.
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert Do you survey early church history to confirm that "Jewish ceremonial ritual that was not carried over into New Testament Christianity" or is that just an assumption? The earliest Christians were actually Jewish. And until the Temple was destroyed in AD 70, those Christians still did many things according to Jewish custom. But my initial question remains, what formal Biblical training have you had?
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@CRoadwarrior I don't make any assumptions. There are several verses throughout the New Testament stating ceremonial rituals/laws (tithing) were abolished. People can take it or let it alone. If people don't believe that tithing was abolished, so be it. We just have to agree to disagree.
Furthermore, this is not about me. I always encourage people to do their own study and research.
YourTitheExpert 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert Again you did not answer the question. Saying you don't make assumptions does not demonstrate the depth of your research. And it is not wise to equate tithing with all the other rituals and laws without Biblical warrant. While we are not enjoined to abstain from shellfish in the New Testament, homosexuality is still called sin in both Testaments. So the abolition of one law does not prove the abolition of them all.
CRoadwarrior 1 year ago
@YourTitheExpert Can you please share the scriptures/verses which suggests that tithing was abolished? If the bible confirms that tithing or any other law is abolished we must accept that but if there is not a book, chapter or verse within the bible clarifying this fact then it's just man's opinion.
Thebibleconsultant 7 months ago
@Thebibleconsultant
What am I to tithe?
nomadak47 7 months ago
@nomadak47 Excellent question. Please make sure you're sitting down! Leviticus 27:30-34 outlines that the fruit of the tree & the seed of the land is the Most High's & it's holy to him. Also, were told that the 10th one is holy not 10%. Here we go! Unless you're in a position to present what the Most High defines as holy & can give the tenth one of each tithable commodity to the levites as mentioned & in Numbers 18:20-32 you shouldn't be tithing anything (including money). This is just a little!
Thebibleconsultant 7 months ago
@Thebibleconsultant ---
Yes, I agree.
nomadak47 7 months ago
@CRoadwarrior Yes the Jewish Christian prior to AD 70 did many things according to Jewish custom, but this is why Paul warned the early church of those practices which was called "Galatianism" which means mingling the law with grace, which was forbidden. Check your history.
DSkeptic86 1 year ago