Serbu Short Barrel Shotgun - Knox Stock

[Dregowz]

1 qwestion How mutch ?



[Tramsootru]

That stock looks uber-comfy, if by comfy I mean, super painful.

[TheElijah1009]

Where can i get one of them at ?

[cobrachoppergirl]

Where are the sights?

[BigDirtyBasterd]

can you get a Semi over a pump?

[dan6896]

that must be fucking loud

[codybrady100]

can the same grip be used on a regular shotgun

[LiberalsArePigs]

you spelled knoxx wrong change your title.

[marksrig]

Nice!

So a folding stock with a vertical grip is considered an SBS, but the pistol grip with vertical is considered AOW?

Never looked into that but the stamp is much cheaper for the AOW!

[GunWebsites]

@marksrig

yup

[bossman12334]

so if i understand what u said right with the stock u dont need the stamp?

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@bossman12334

nope, you did NOT understand correctly

[majormayhem1]

@bossman12334 you'll need a aow stamp which is $5, instead of $200 stamp for an sbs or sbr



[br1nker]

i think it looks sick with the stock

[TheAlexagius]

@arrkhal unfortunatly the federal governments laws overpower state laws, not really right probably unconsitutional but what you gonna do?

[mattydahl]

i dont have a serbu but i honestly hate that stock, its more uncomfortable than being teabagged by a gorilla.

[kd5nrh]

@mattydahl I'm so glad I have no basis for that comparison. How did you come by that experience?

[SuperRip7]

that wire stock is horrible.

[coop878]

so you have to have some kinda permit to have the one with the stock on it??? if so thats pretty dumb..if its still just a 5 dollar atf fee im gettin one lol thats sweet

[Reynard13Fuchs]

@coop878 There is no 'permit' needed there is only a 5 dollar tax stamp for an AOW and 200 dollar tax stamp for NFA weapons, NFA includes; Fully Automatic weapons made before May 1986, Short Barreled Rifles, Short Barreled Shotguns, and Destructive Devices.

To own, build and sell NFA and Destructive Devices to include explosive ammunition, you need a Class 2 FFL and Type 10 SOT. To own and sell you need a Class 3 FFL and one of the applicable SOT types, they cost 3000 dollars.

Hope this helps.

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@Reynard13Fuchs

very close, but not 100%.. good try though

[Reynard13Fuchs]

@GunWebsites I forgot that AOW is considered NFA registered.

Anything else?

[bunkerking73]

I HATE LIVING IN CALIFORNIA!!! WE'RE STUCK BEHIND ENEMY LINES OVER HERE GUYS! HELLLLLPPPPPPPPP!!!!

[L0GAN811]

so it's an AOW without the stock and a SBS with the stock?

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@L0GAN811

basically, yes

[stupidburp]

The folding stock could interfere with seeing your target clearly when folded. This makes it unsafe to use unless unfolded.

[a2redneck]

i would get one of these if they had a 3 round mag.

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@a2redneck

they also make a 3 round model

[a2redneck]

@GunWebsites SWEET! guess what im getting!

[1AlbaryanSabretigerr]

@GunWebsites What county makes them?

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@1AlbaryanSabretigerr

USA.. obviously

[zombief07]

no stock



[pumpauto]

ok, so fromthe beggining of knowing of serbu shotguns i thought they were completely ok to own with out an sbs fire arm stamp, so my ? is are serbu shotguns legal without a stock?

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@pumpauto

all serbus are legal, and yes you need a tax stamp with or without a stock

[TheHatGuy94]

Great informational video. I'd also like to see it with the ATI top folding stock. I'm interested in buying a Serbu, but I want to see how other accessories look on the gun before I spend money on things I may not want to keep on the gun.

[MrWarlord396]

i'm not sure about the technicalities-- does the addition of a shoulder stock change it from an AOW to a Class III?

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@MrWarlord396

AOW is already class 3 (title II) or whatever you want to call all NFA firearms

but a stock does make it an SBS.. all this was in the video 1:23

[RangerBeck7]

im 18 can i get one

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@RangerBeck7

nope, 21 for NFA firearms

[viciousKev]

ive been thinking about getting one of these. anyone know what the process is like for the stamp? i assume other than that, you just pay your class three dealer $40 or so for the transfer.

[goletaguy92]

Does any one know if this is legal in California because its an "AOW"?

[AngeredKabar]

@goletaguy92 CA pretty much only lets movie studios and criminals own NFA stuff.

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@AngeredKabar

great answer !!

[TechnicaIlyInsane]

Is this legal to own as civilian since its not a 18" barrel? DO they classify it as a pistol to get around that? I need one of these. IM in PA but I dont wanna have to get a class 3 or someshit.

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@TechnicaIlyInsane

you are very wrong. Sounds like you get all your information from movies / TV

Do some basic research and you'll understand the real situation

[LordBehemoth67]

Nice,nice.Really like the new stock.Do you have a video of you sending a few rounds down range?Perhaps you could get a shot of the grouping differences with the no stock and Knoxx stock.

[Thatevilmidget]

@LordBehemoth67 I'd like to see a video of it in action as well. I'd especially like to see the recoil reduction in action, considering this little monster kicks like a mule on crack laced steroids...

[TheOneTheOnlyIvan]

so it's 3+1 in the barrel?

[MrANDYCocaine]

nice shotgun i installed the vindictor pistol grip on it and i can go out and shot good part of a day and wrist will feel fine

[mjndblain]

what a little cutie

[ituck100]

in the movie dark blue with kurt russell there is a super shorty that looks sweet,the black dude in the tub smokin hippie lettuce out the barrel haha

[dmaniac96]

can you add a extended magazine to a serbu super shorty ?

[zaldivarbigboy]

no.

[appleflak]

can anyone say zombie killer of the week

[machineguntongue]

My vote: looks AWESOME!!! So neat and tight. Use when wanted, keep up when not needed. Super functional. Looks well designed and executed.

[clc9753]

how much would one of these serbu shotguns run me?

[1lovesoni]

@clc9753 they are about $700-800 from gunbroker or the manufactuer

[Doctorchops]

@clc9753 Right around $700-800 (I think)

[Clavsicus]

Can't even aim cuz has no sights... for me the stock is useless on a shotgun that small which on my head is used to draw it from ur pocket and light a motherf***** up with 2-3 blasts at 2 meters close xD

[slayerslicerx]

umm ur an idiot the only way it COULD be legal is class 3 permit no fukin stamp

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@slayerslicerx

you are wrong, there is NO permit .. there is ONLY a stamp

[C172Pilotdude]

@GunWebsites So how often do you end up having to repeat yourself ? LOL

[C172Pilotdude]

@GunWebsites NOOOO!!!!! Its a license!!!! It cost like 8,000 !!! My friend's cousin's mother's neighbor's kid who plays COD and doesn't know shit about guns told me that so....

[BeetleJewse]

@slayerslicerx Its ONLY a stamp a stamp you dumbass...check Serbu's website dumb fuck

[slayerslicerx]

illegal has to have 18 inch barrel to be leggal

[MorteWulfe]

@slayerslicerx Illegal to have if you DONT pay the Federal tax stamp.

[hopecamel]

wat are the texas rules and regs for them things

[gokartninja1]

@hopecamel there are none

[gunhappyie]

Great review..... If the money wasnt there for a14" barrel benellt M4 then this would be perfect for home defence.

[34601k]

How would you aim this if there are no sights? I know you could do the whole vietnam era point and shoot but that isn't too accurate

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@34601k

Who said there aren't any sights?

[34601k]

@GunWebsites Sorry just didn't really see any bead or anything to aim with but you had it so.

[Humberto4790]

@34601k You dont need aiming for shotguns,just pint at the enemie's general position and the shotgun will hit him.

[34601k]

@Humberto4790 Yeah you need sights? How can you accurately aim without them? Sure shotguns are point and shoot at close ranges but anything beyond 20 feet you need sights. How are you going to shoot geese out of the air without sights dude? This isn't a duck gun but sights are still good to have on just about every gun.

[Humberto4790]

@34601k Shotguns spray little bb's that kill your enemy,so no aiming is needed.Get a rifle for long range.

[34601k]

@Humberto4790 Dude I'm not some gun noob. I know what a shotgun is and I am very experienced with guns considering I own a shotgun and a .22 rifle and my dad has several handguns. Aiming is definitely needed with shotguns, especially when your hunting. Where the hell do you get your gun knowledge from? The Terminator movies?

[wewd]

@Humberto4790 Shotguns do not "spray" anything. While shotguns are not aimed in the traditional sense, they are however pointed. They fire a pattern of projectiles whose diameter is dependent on distance and choke. The pattern of most shot that is designed to be lethal to large game and humans is surprisingly small. Size 00 buckshot, which is the standard self-defense load, only has eight or nine .33" diameter pellets in a 2.75" shell. That isn't very much lead to "spray" your enemy with.

[RaptorJesus696]

@34601k

Its a fucking shotgun.

[34601k]

@RaptorJesus696 You still need sights for a shotgun. 

[Sh4dowZ0ne21]

@34601k ITs called Shooter's eye. If you had ever shotten at least an airsoft gun with no sgihts you'd realize how to shoot it. Disreguarding the hop-up and Accuracy issues, ITS A SHOTGUN. Troll Nuetralized

[34601k]

@Sh4dowZ0ne21 Good job on being damn late on that one. It don't matter how good your shooters eye is, you can't shoot a flying duck without sights. Also airsoft guns are pretty damn different from real guns in that AEGs have nigh infinite ammo so you can keep spraying compared to a 6 round mag for a shotgun. Shotgun or no Shotgun every firearm with the exception of pocket derringers need sights. You should also spell correctly before calling other people trolls. Troll shut down complete.

[Sh4dowZ0ne21]

@34601k Alright bro, first off, it's the internet. no need for grammr nazis. Clam yer dick. and if you were calm enough to read my comment in full, I KNOW airsofts are different from guns. I SAID THat. and AEG's are spray and pray, which is why i use snipers HUDRRRRRRRR. I even use them without scopes OR sights. So shut eh fuck up before you call me a troll. Troll has been shut down ONCE AGAIN

[34601k]

@Sh4dowZ0ne21 If you were claim enough to actually stay on topic you would realize this is about firearms not airsoft. All firearms need sights to be accurate. Airsoft is more of a spray and pray thing since its an unrifled barrel and you can have 3000 round drum mags. I've done some skeet shooting in the past. Have you? If you've even fired a shotgun before you would know that shot generally doesn't spread out alot unless your not using a choke with birdshot. Troll shut up AGAIN.

[Sh4dowZ0ne21]

@34601k Again, I said i know this is not airsoft, I know its real, I know what a shotgun feels like when its shot and how it spreads because I HAVE fired one before. And one more thing, Before you start calling me a troll, read your own comments carefully and when you're typing, use careful though before you post. Now Stfu

[34601k]

@Sh4dowZ0ne21 Take your own advice and use correct spelling and grammar before you post then. The point is a shotgun needs sights. So unless your superhuman and have a scope reticle built into your eyeball get and damn life because shotguns aren't area effect weapons like grenades.

[Sh4dowZ0ne21]

@34601k Lol Alright, nice job bein a grammar nazi, Stfu before you AND me and blocked from the video. Stop trolling. Jesus christ its like youre 9

[bravo619ER]

@MisterBazooka YOUR A PERSON WHO SHOULD GO GET A JOB OR JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF . GET A LIFE! NOTHING WRONG HAS BEEN DONE. OR DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VID. MOST LIKELY NOT AS YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ATTENTION SPAN OF ATLEAST 2 MINS. DORK!

[siralexu]

That shotgun falls under the same rules as a sbr meaning if it gets classified like that you can put a stock and forward grip on it?

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@siralexu

well yes & no

You can't put a stock on one that is an AOW..

But if you are talking about an SBS, then yes, it has the same options as an SBR

[siralexu]

@GunWebsites yeah thats what i was talking about the short version not the regular 18" thanks for clearing it up

[roaklyp]

i think it would be pretty neat with a similar style stock but an under folder. not sure if they make one.....

[MisterBazooka]

You just broke the law dude. Check out AR15.com to see why.

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@MisterBazooka

no website is the law

[MisterBazooka]

@GunWebsites According to the ATF you did by adding a stock to an AOW making it a SBS when it's not registered as a SBS.

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@MisterBazooka

Then you should listen better, no one did what you suggest.. note the title of the video...

Learn before you teach

[MisterBazooka]

@GunWebsites I'm sending an email to Tuscon's ATF office with a link to this video. You should delete it while you still have a chance.

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@MisterBazooka

LOL

Make a video about it. It will be interesting to see how serious they take the clue-less

[schnips074]

@MisterBazooka I fail to see how ratting out fellow gun owners about trivial matters which aren't even an issue is a constructive use of time and resources.

[MisterBazooka]

@schnips074 So President Obama can help stop crazy right-wing militia people who are against the "gubmit."

[colorblindvids]

@MisterBazooka You're a real cunt bro.

[TheBigpunn421]

stock is great. this gun is perfect backpack or truck gun for a just in case measure. or a nice survival shotgun....i wonder if anyone uses a choke on a serbu?

[Schmeekey1]

i would probably put the black hawk stock on it. it would make it look better in my opinion as the Knox stock is pretty ugly. but it wouldn't necessarily matter because the both have the knox recoil reducing feature.

[vampire847]

that stock looks retarded as hell.. and wire stocks traditionally don't work well on shotguns ESPECIALLY short barrels like that

[cbfan1969]

Would be nice to see it shot with the stock and with out...I prefer a stock on a shotgun

[2121gcard]

i no lots of people ask but do can u get these in most states.

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@2121gcard

yes

[Daytonaman675]

nope I would not use that stock at all.

[PRSpl4yer]

Thats my gun right there :P When I can I want one exactly like that...

[SMGleader]

its harder to fit in your glove box with the folding stock

[celtik916]

In California shotgun barrels have to be at least 18"

[cpuneronet]

the gun looks better without it and i think it defeats the whole idea of a quick handling compact shot gun

[luiskilla91592]

i dont like the way it looks when folded.

[padddooo]

@luiskilla91592 me too ! It looks like weird and if it's folds, it means that you'll have it folded a lot, so you have to like it folded !!!

[TheBaldBastid]

This is a class 3 weapon. You need to own it through a company or a living trust (or have your chief LEO sign off), pay a tax, ATF background check , and register the weapon. Not worh it in my opinion. VERY cool though.

[hydra046]

@TheBaldBastid Class 3? I laugh at the notion. This is what's known as an Any Other Weapon, other wise know as an AOW. It's not a pistol nor is it a shotgun, It fires shotshells into a smoothbore barrel and it began its life as never having a buttstock affixed to it. once you do affix a butstock to it, you have just manufactured an instant felony. and if you put a slug barrel on it. you have just made a Destructive Device.

[waltrmitty]

@hydra046 : i concur. if this indeed a papered AOW, having a matching shoulder stock is a violation of the National Firearms Act

[11211220]

k thanks

[ThePivotGuy]

this looks like the shotgun on zombie panic

[MrPLOXPLOXPLOX]

@ThePivotGuy

lol. i own this gun and thats what i think about every time i shoot it... lol :P

[AdmiralGST]

@ThePivotGuy It is

[MMARyan100]

were did u buy this gun?

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@MMARyan100

These are for sale at Tucson Guns, one of our sponsors

[solidsnaker1992]

@GunWebsites how much do they cost the gun at least

[bigbirdhyphy]

are short barrel shotguns legal in california?

[heineken44i]

do not like this stock!!!!

[siralexu]

2+1?

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@siralexu

yes

[redneckfisher1212]

its just, seems to short to me haha. pretty cool thought.

[PUGIOBEARER007]

dude yea

[11211220]

is this legal to own in miami fl

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@11211220

They are made there.. so I assume they might

[adam648374692865]

I like the stock but not with the foregrip, but then without the stock I like the foregrip...odd lol

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@adam648374692865

no, I understand and agree with you

[adam648374692865]

@GunWebsites idk it's just my opinion in design for the the short barreld guns

[killerprodead4]

lol good video

[sandwitch13]

man i bet that thing kicks

[Iusefatgirls]

I like the stock but I hate the fold down fore grip. It is goofy looking put one on that looks like a tommy gun front grip.

[TANKSYRUP]

i want one! but i need a class 3 0r big loot! you wanna sell it?

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@TANKSYRUP

No such thing as a "Class 3"

[Mrcaffinebean]

Putting a stock on a AOW makes is an SBS so you have to file that with the ATF?

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@Mrcaffinebean

No, it is not an AOW

It was born an SBS

Both are registered

[Shanester66]

@ jimbo45cal...this weapon imo is a cqc weapon solution. Would you really need a cheek weld?

[lynnzie2008]

Sweet piece my friend. You must drop a fortune legally obtaining these awesome weapons!

[jimbo45cal]

the bad thing about this stock is you can't get a really good cheek weld with it

[Sccuba182]

I think its good lookin

[NaplesSwampRat]

the folding stock might work good but i really dont like the looks of it. i guess it needs to be a little more streamline

[eagerbeaver53]

i just dont like the fact with these things u cant have many rounds now a saiga twelve like this would be delicious

[jamesp6282]

@eagerbeaver53 with a shotgun you only need one.

[mossy500camo]

will these be legal in Alabama? You know the Gov passed a new bill into law.

[jarpasmannen]

Watching this with the vuvuzela button activated is pretty humorous.

[xAZAZELx13]

How does this stock reduce recoil?

[O4jampO4]

@xAZAZELx13 it works the same as the knoxx specops collaspsible stock

[YoBadMama]

@xAZAZELx13 Instead of taking the recoil in your palm, it affects your shoulder.

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@xAZAZELx13

springs in the pistol grip

[xAZAZELx13]

@GunWebsites Thank you.

[zaikoh08]

great looking gun

[choopdewoot]

do you have to be 21 to buy? and what ever happened to the holster for it. its no longer on the site

[blackquiver]

good vide man....

[af22raptor23503]

That Cool! Does the adding of the stock change the legallity of the weapon since its going from a AOW to a SBS? Is an additional Fed BATF fee required?

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@af22raptor23503

It never was an AOW, but if it was, yes more tax, paperwork, etc would be required

[itwontcomeout5678]

miami vice!!

[xGothimox]

If you're gonna have a stock of a weapon, why not just get a bull pup

[raydog1111]

I like that stock.  But not on the shorty. Defeats the purpose of having an easily concealed/deployed shotgun.

[cutlerylover]

cool design but I think your going to buy a short barrel shotgun like that adding any length or bulk at all kidn of defeats its purpose, but thats just my opinion...to each his own...

[Nerfgunsandpancakes]

I love the serbu's, but I think the stock kind of takes away from the charm of the short shotgun. I'm sure it makes it better to shoot, but it takes away from the 2nd kind of cool.

[kenyata]

amazing gun, ill love to own 1

[coolstuffaddict]

I'd opt for no stock for minimum length so that it would be easier to use in a car and stuff... I think this stock adds a bit extra length and for a weapon like this I don't think that recoil reduction system is necessary. For a normal length combat shotgun I think it would be a good stock.

[SECRETBOL]

YES I like that stock !



[MrAntivirusxp]

why yes

I do like that stock on that gun

[lvcoats74848]

LOL you can put these on your key ring they're so tiny