Pagan gods and goddesses, Mother Earth, and fellow brothers and sisters, overpopulation, here we come, draining and zapping the earth of her resources and strength!
I think that this is wonderful, everyone seems to get along great and they all seem happy and productive, I don't see anything abusive about it; the fact that the wife is submitting to her husband and training up her girls to do the same is exactly how the bible says we should be as women, as long as her husband is not a dominating, abusive, overly controlling person, he seems to love and care for his wife and children, and honor and provide for them.
I would never engage in such a lifestyle, but if they say seem happy, then maybe... they are? It's so arrogant to conclude they must be miserable and must be acting happy to the cameras just because you don't like nor comprehend the way they live. Plus, the family seems very comfortable economically, why shouldn't they have a the right to raise many children?
I feel bad for the 12 year old. She has been robbed of her childhood.
I hope someday she can realize she can be anything she wants....and not just a mother and a slave to her husband like this crazy family wants her to believe.
If you think of it, ultimately that's the way highly hereditary characteristic have always spread. And there is nothing wrong with it, unless you dislike very faithful people ;-)
How is a pastor able to afford such a huge nice home? What salary is he taking home to afford that lifestyle and large family? He would have to pull in $250,000 year to afford what we see.
Some of you guys really need to get informed about the Freemasons, the New World Order and the overpopulation hoax. Who do you think will keep civilization up, if Westerners stop having children? Do you want to live in a muslim or chinese dominated country??
@Bergkristall Most Americans do not want a Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or CHRISTIAN dominated country. We want a free secular country where all religious views (including that of no belief in any of the gods) can live side by side and none getting any politcal preference or protection.
A "pastor" by profession... Hmmm, thats not a bad career. I wonder if he was a coal miner or the like and had to earn the daily bread by working like an animal how dedicated he would be to fruitfully multiplying
From a man who works for a living this lifestyle looks miserable and quite exhausting. Those who think the wives and mothers are the ones who are enduring the most are showing your sexist bias. Most men in this lifestyle will work themselves into early graves for wives that stay home.
This may be the least impartial report I've ever seen. It runs like a propaganda movie for huge families. Admittedly it looks like there is more after the point it cuts out here but there's no discussion of the absolute unsustainability of this kind of deliberate hyperprocreation - especially in a country where life expectancy is much higher than elsewhere in the world. Absolutely mental.
I want to hear the opinion of a Quiverfull woman. I don't think 7 children is outrageous. I know someone from a family of 14 kids and another from a family of 16. It's only outrageous when you can't support your kids with love, discipline, clothing, food, and room.
@TheTravelfool Does it matter if they wear dresses? If you saw a family where all the girls wore jeans would you ask "why do the girls HAVE to wear jeans?" I think you`re making a petty & biased point. People have a right to dress as they like. As for homemaking, if the girls don`t want to become homemakers, when they reach adulthood they have the legal right to leave home and make their own lives. The family may not like it, but they have the right to do their own thing.
@paisleyyama 1. I was asking a simple question so no need to get snippy. 2. These girls are brainwashed from infancy to learn to be submissive. Their thinking strategies in the Quiverfull philosophy is very similar to how battered women living in domestic violent shelters think, that their husband/males in their lives control their thinking. I don't care so much about the dresses, but I feel this family isn't as rosy as we assume.
@TheTravelfool Is any family as rosy as we assume? All families have problems. All families have areas where they could improve. All families have areas where they quite frankly fail! So I`m not sure if any of us is in a position to judge this family as inferior to another family. It is just different.
@paisleyyama you can try and make excuses, but the truth of the matter is if you read quivering no more you will learn this is domestic violence at its best. As a Rotarian, I know what different is. I've been to 55 countries. This isn't different, a woman who has to be completely submissive to a man is called abuse. Especially when it comes to her body.
@TheTravelfool Has it ever occurred to you that some women like to be submissive and taken care of? How others choose to live their lives in no one`s business but their own.
@paisleyyama It is a concern when the parents who chose this lifestyle for themselves aren't giving their children the same freedom to choose. How do I know this? See @VyckieG's comment above. The Quiverfull lifestyle is built on the subjugation of women, advocating for a return to biblical patriarchy. @kellyabobbyc, this movement often protects abusive men, and shames women. It is anything but wonderful. Don't be deceived by the 'keep sweet' public persona.
@len That can be said of parents in all lifestyles. Gay parents don`t ask their kids if they want to be raised in a gay environ., nor do Muslim, Vegan, highly atheletic, highly academic, political, etc. parents. Parents have a life philosophy they think is good & want to pass on to their kids. When kids grow up they can accept or reject that upbringing, but parents have a right to teach what they think is good & it`s really no one else`s business.
@Blitzfoofoo Most forms of childrearing are indoctrination into the individual family values. Do you think vegetarians tell their kids how wonderful a hamburger is? Do you think the Clintons taught Chelsea both the dem. & rep. point of view in a nonbiased way? Do you think highly academic parents present the option of having fun, taking easy classes & going to a community college as an equal choice to studying hard & going to an Ivy League school? Most invested parents indoctrinate.
@paisleyyama There is a great distinction between indoctrination and teaching your values to your children by telling them what is important to you and why. For example, teaching them the great value of hard work, discipline and how a good college education has it's obvious reasons and justifications: a better quality of life down the road. Forcing religious opinions, with out room to decide for one's self and with out good reasoning or justification is simply indoctrination.
@dan24b If the quiverful lifestyle is the parents lifestyle & belief that it is the best way of life, it`s only natural the parents would teach the kids this lifestyle which they think is good & right. I don`t follow that lifestyle but all parents have something they feel is good & right & try to instill that in their kids. It`s not force & when the kids are grown they can accept or reject the lifestyle. For ex. Pres. kids don`t choose a political life. 1 could say it was forced on them. cont.
@dan Dan Qualye`s son said security in the VP home was like prison. Amy Carter had a hard time. Chelsey was publically compared to a dog on TV, but that is the parents` choice & the kids have to go along w/it. There is good & bad. Some choose to follow in the parents` footsteps & others reject, but the experience is part of who they are & their roots. All kids are indoctrinated by their parents` lifestyle & values.
@Blitzfoofoo You don't know if they expose kids to other viewpoints. Teaching kids to think that you can't hold to one viepoint is a form of indoctrination, too, a very mushy form of it.
@Blitzfoofoo Parents are there to teach what they think is right. The job of a parent is not to give a smorgasbord of values for a child to pick & choose from. A child initially follows what the parent teaches, but as the child matures, then they can see for themselves if what they have been taught is of value or not. If it is they hold to it, if not they search for themselves for what they think is good. I was 9 when my eyes were opened so I think kids know rather early.
@paisleyyama yes, well do you think the girls choose it? If they do, that is fine but with women and the Quiverfull movement, the word choice is obsolete.
@TheTravelfool I don`t know if they choose it just as I don`t know if the girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt chose that. What if they girl in a t-shirt & jeans wanted to dress more fashionably or be more feminine in a dress but the t-shirt & jeans is all her family would buy? Would that be so terrible? She doesn`t want to wear the jeans but she has to. That`s not so bad. These dresses aren`t so bad either. When they grow up they can dress as they like.
@TheTravelfool I don`t know if they choose it just as I don`t know if the girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt chose that. What if they girl in a t-shirt & jeans wanted to dress more fashionably or be more feminine in a dress but the t-shirt & jeans is all her family would buy? Would that be so terrible? She doesn`t want to wear the jeans but she has to. That`s not so bad. These dresses aren`t so bad either. When they grow up they can dress as they like.
@Alanespinney Do you know that A. Pell grants are great for us. B. Scholarships aren't hard to get for most homeschool kids, C. Clepping is the new fast track of choice and costs a tiny fraction of traditional college. People don't do college the 'old fashioned way' any more. My second is about to graduate from college and did all the work in two years. He's headed to grad school in psychology. Oldest son is a Russian/Pashto translator for Marines.
I don't fault them for having so many children, but their refusal to give their children a range of choices consonant with modern life in the real world. There is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home parent, but why not give the boy the option? Why not have the girls train for a career in case of death/abandonment by their husband? A totally dependent woman is an abuser's fantasy come true, odd that a loving parent would cater to the whims of the worst sort of potential spouse.
@sharper201curzonst I think the Duggars' girls are very well prepared, far more than most girls (including myself). They can work with cars, they can do a LOT and a very prepared. They even know how to do tiling, put up drywall, etc.
@TheTravelfool I don't know much about the Duggers; I'm from Australia and live in Asia. A good trade education can be as valuable as an academic one, certainly. In this family we see a twelve-year old doing - well, the same things I did for my 3 younger sisters at the same age, while receiving a traditional education. She's preparing pasta (something every able-bodies person can do) - if she's not to attend a university, why not give her proper training as a chef?
I was #3 of 5 kids. Loved the upbringing I had. Wouldn't have traded it for any money in the world. To answer some questions out there: older children aren't "forced" to take care of the younger siblings. We did it to help out; whoever said college isn't an option must have been given incorrect information. 4 of the 5 of us are in college right now; overpopulation is a word often used when people don't know the math. The folks offended by this video probably just feel convicted and defensive.
As a former Quiverfull woman who has BTDT, I can honestly say, Yes - they are crazy.
I practiced "Biblical Womanhood" for about 16 years. I found the lifestyle demanding, abusive and ultimately unsustainable. I founded a website: No Longer Quivering, where those of us who have escaped share our experiences in that oppressive lifestyle.
When they're talking about the 12 year old girl, it's interesting to me that they specifically point out that she's mothering the kids instead of being preoccupied with boys, gossip, or MySpace ... rather than the fact that she's not preoccupied with things that DON'T fall into the media's negative teen stereotype, like books, learning, exploring the world, etc.
@chocchipcookiegirl Have you ever tried to 'adopt' a quiver full of kids. Trying raising the funds and jumping through the legal hoops of even one. Try raising an adopted child over the age of three. The behavioral problems of many are severe. It takes years sometimes to even get one child..much less a whole family.
@chocchipcookiegirl they don't believe in adoption which I think right there debunks their entire philosophy. Also, having worked in 3rd world slums and in ghettos in the US, you are better to be a foster parent and adopt an older child or help the whole community improve itself.
@chocchipcookiegirl Why should i spend all this work and care on children that are not even my own? I rather make sure my own descendants fill the earth than other peoples descedants. Why should I make up for other peoples lack of responsibility and intelligence to look after their own children?
Google the website "no longer quivering" to read stories of women who have escaped their domineering husbands in this "quiverfull" movement. It's not a pleasant life for a women. They are as oppressed as muslim women. Their children are raised to be baby factories and do not leave home to go to university or higher education. They stay home taking care of their parents babies until they are found a partner of like mind and then churn out babies of their own.
If that was a muslim family they would not make such a TV show. Funny how muslims get away with everything and Christians have to justify themselves for their believes. What about pluralism of opinions and tolerance? Nor for Christians, right? Thought so.
@Bergkristall Muslims get away with everything because the western world has to suck Saudi dick for oil. Until their natural resources dry up they're allowed to treat women however they want, regardless of all the human rights violations.
There's a difference between "choosing" to have kids because you want to, and sacrificing your life by having a kid every year and bowing to your husband because that's what you've been brainwashed to do. They're brainwashing their daughters to have no other goals or choices in life. That's wrong.
@SandySeashellBeaches Yes, you're right. Instead of changing immigration and helping muslim women from being forcibly married young etc why not pressure women into a lifetime of childbearing. *rolls eyes*.
i'm the 5th of 7 and while i love growing up in such a large family, i by no means want that many...now that i think of it, i'm not sure i want ANY, but that's my choice and is their choice...and if you think of it, they're better than the polygamists with 14 wives and 98 kids...
i'm the 5th of 7 and while i love growing up in such a large family, i by no means want that many...now that i think of it, i'm not sure i want ANY, but that's my choice and is their choice
This isn't just about having large families. This is another way to keep women uneducated and submissive. If you want to be that way, fine. But these fucks are brainwashing their daughters to not have any other thought or ambition. And that is straight our wrong on so many levels.
@tigerslilly29 So what they should be doing is raising their children to be foul-mouthed, cynical illiterates such as you, I suppose. Sorry but our society is burdened by enough people like you. We need as many good-hearted wholesome women that we can get to keep our society from slipping back into a state of pre-Christian barbarism and depravity.
@KenGS333 You don't me, so don't judge. You have no right to judge me or my life. I believe the Bible says something about that. That line about "God" opening & closing the womb is crap. If these women truly want to do what they're doing, then fine, but to spew that religious b.s. and say that this every woman's place is crap. I don't want kids, never have, never will. I'm probably a better person than these women who do nothing but spit out kids every year.
@tigerslilly29 I love it when leftist-liberal, non-, anti-Christians try to use the "the Bible says something about not being judgmental". Try actually reading the Bible to understand what Christ was saying. Nothing which I've posted in relation to you is "judgmental". The fact that you have problems and need to deal with them is an observation and a suggestion, not judging you.
@KenGS333 I'm using the Bible because that's what you ppl use. I don't believe in the Bible. I am not going to follow it. I could care less about it. But if a religious person who is going to preach God and religion is going to judge, then I'm going to point out the hypocrisy. What do you care if I don't want kids? The ChildFree movement is growing. 1 in 5 women are not having kids. I'm one of them. Deal with it, bud.
@KenGS333 And like I said, I wasn't "judging" ppl who have and want kids. I'm against ppl having children and then brainwashing them into thinking that's what they put on earth to do. There is more to live than being a slave to your husband and kids.
@tigerslilly29 Like I said, you were the one judging, not me. That having children is the only purpose of her life is a delusion on your part. Typical leftist-liberal, you claim to stand for rights, yet devalue humans that you don't fit your narrow concept of how they should behave. Now I've had enough from you; so shut up and go troll somewhere else. Troll.
@KenGS333 Yes, you were. You judged me and life and my personality off a comment I made on a Youtube vid. "cynical illiterates" "The fact that you have problems" "What does that say about your views toward and value of human life." "devalue humans." Judging. These ppl are having children so they can raise their daughters to be a slave to a man and have a bunch of kids. They start it early on. It's right in their rules. If you don't want to hear from me, you shouldn't have commented me.
@KenGS333 I'm not one of your submissive Quiverfull women. I can actually speak my mind and my opinions. I don't take orders from a man. I know you hate that, but that's life. I choose to stay CF and not live my life according to what some man thinks I should. If you don't like it, oh well.
@KenGS333 Why do you assume that atheists are leftist and liberal? I'm a libertarian. The Bible is full of immorality and great evil and is by no means something that we should look up to, respect or admire. Jesus actually gave a lot of useless and absurd advise and the god of the old testament is just a total monster. Oh, but wait, aren't Jesus and the god of the old testament part of the same "god"? Your beliefs, are ridiculous, nonsensical and full of immorality. Wake up!
@KenGS333 That I believe in fiscally responsible and sensible, free market ideals is "retarded" according to you? Look in the mirror first buddy before you start to insult people for having different opinions.
@tigerslilly29 There you go you don't want children "never have, never will". What does that say about your views toward and value of human life. What makes you think you have the right to "judge" anyone who does, regardless of their beliefs. Your rich; invoke the Bible, yet call it a bunch of "crap". Maybe you should start reading it and start getting your life back in order. You really seem like a bitter, mean-spirited, lost person. But even you can be saved.
@KenGS333 If you want to be a slave to some man, that's fine. If you want a large family, that's fine. But brainwashing your daughters into thinking they are worth no more than just spitting out kids for a man is a disgrace. This society doesn't need any more fruitcakes like THAT.
@tigerslilly29 Seems to me that the only person here devaluing these girls is you. Reducing motherhood to little more than "spitting out kids for a man" is astonishingly cynical and ignorant. It speaks to a greater liberal-leftist disregard for the sanctity of life and moral and ethical behaviour. God knows what problems and issues you have; I suggest you deal with them and start being a positive influence in society rather than being an anonymous, hate-filled, bigoted Internet troll.
@KenGS333 Once again, you don't know me, & your "God" doesn't want you judging. Correct? If you were able to comprehend what I wrote, you would've understood that I said there's nothing wrong with wanting kids, but to have kids to brainwash them into thinking this is the only purpose for women, is another. Telling your daughters that their place is to serve a man & constantly have his kids, & to teach your sons that women have no other value but to serve a man, is wrong.
@KenGS333 Women who have kids have not accomplished anything that billions of women before them have accomplished. Any woman with a functioning uterus can do it. I'm not impressed. You speak to Republicans who hate women who have other priorities in life that feel they can accomplish different things than just being a wife/mother. If that's what you want, fine, but there are some of us who do not want that. There are women out there who do not feel their "place" is to serve a man.
@KenGS333 Sorry Ken, it was christianity (also Islam) that inspired barbarism/depravity for centuries. In fact, were it not for the secular ideals of the Enlightenment, christians might still be burning heretics at the stake or starting religious wars. It was secular ideas that had to drag Christianity kicking and screaming into modernity where we don't kill people for not believing, where we don't arrest gays, where we don't force rape victims to marry their rapists as the Bible prescribes.
@dan24b Completely devoid of any factual truth. You actually thought that I'd even waste my time trying to enter into a reasoned discussion with an ignoramus like you?
@KenGS333 Care to specifically point out what aspect of my posting was devoid of any truth? Why do you resort to insults instead of addressing the very relevant points that I brought up? Perhaps because you don't have any counter-arguments? I think your ad-hominems are a sure sign that you have nothing of value to say about the topics in this thread.
Has anyone ever thought that being 'fruitful and multiply' might mean something other than just spreading your legs and having children? Good deeds are fruits, so are lasting works of art or literature that change people's lives. How many people know the Sistine Chapel(great work by Michelangelo)? Ok, now how many people know Michaelangelo's children? Enough said.
@GoddessAntares No be fruitful and multiply comes from Genesis 1:28, and it clearly means have children. Whether the context that the verse appears in is grounds for Christians to engage in having large families is debatable, but there's nothing in the Bible against having many children and the Bible does make it clear that they are valued and a blessing. As for Michelangelo, gimme a break! He and the Catholic church that commissioned his works were complete PERVERTS.
@cosnowmomma the problem si that they want to breed to the point where they will outnumer secular america and tunr our nation into christian nazis like state.They are extreme terrioist who want to take over world by having as many children as possible.If i was in charge i will make sure they would all be DEAD.I HATE CHRISTIAN LIKE THESE.
I am closely associated with a family like this and the older girls do the cooking, take care of the kids constantly.. and their isn't room in the house for all the kids, so the older girls play babysitter during the night too because they have to sleep with the younger girls. These older girls are not encouraged to go out and get jobs..the parents prefer them to do little jobs from the house. That way , they keep their child care. It isn't wonderful, or super spiritual like they claim it is.
Although I'm an atheist, I've gotta give props to these people. God or Not it's gotta be hard to raise several kids (I honestly wouldn't know from experience due to being raised as the youngest of two kids).
But if I did have the choice of having several kids, I would rather adopt. Sure if I find a wife whose pretty rad (as in can kick my ass with a d20) then of course we'll have one or two of our own kids. But there's so many kids in the world without parents, they could use a nice home.
The only real problem that I have with this is that these families seem to want to maintain a suburban, middle class existence, when the Bible clearly teaches that Christians should be separate from the world. Ideally this movement should also advocate a "return to the land," self-sufficiency, (local) alternative economies, and restrictions on types of employment bread earners can have.
But yes, they are crazy, they are Fundies. They base their entire life, family, their everything upon one dodgy translation of one word describing one vague allusion from a collection of Bronze Age story-tellers, hucksters and publicity-whores: the ranting schizos, desert burn-outs, anti-Roman politicos and bickering Temple hangers-on getting their bit in.
Then they "train" their kids with it. Setting them up for life as miserable fuck-ups.
The problem is that Genesis 1:22 "be fruitful and multiply" is a fulfilled in the N.T. by the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19, and not by having bigger families ("Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.") In the N.T. the children of believers are not viewed as Christians or "in the covenant". See Jeremiah 31:31-34 and John 1:12-13.
Just posted this video on my scilog "Biology of Religion". It is a powerfull illustration of the reproductive potential and subsequent evolution of religiosity and pro-life religious traditions.
God "designed" you with the capacity to pick up a rubber.
I'm sure God didn't want his followers to live in abject poverty supported primarily from the refundable Child Tax Credit, giving you, with 7 children, negative federal income tax.
To put is simply, these people are training their kids to spread Gods message. If every Christian has 10 kids and every atheist has just 2, eventually Christians will rule the earth. And to be honest even though I am not one I think its a good thing, all these kids are nice, respectful individuals.
@MissNomad428 The problem with your math is that most atheists in this country use to be Christians. Unfortunately for you, you christians can't seem to hold onto your own members and as reason, science and common sense become more prevalent in our society, religion (christianity in particular) will continue it's slow decline.
are these people for real? why the hell are they trying to breed like freaking rabbits? trying to set a world record perhaps? poor kids - they're being brainwashed by their IDIOT PARENTS!!!
It's one thing to get her eldest to help out - I do ask my eldest to help out but it appears to me that she might actually pull more than her fair share. My 4 children are being raised to help with housework - it's called team work. Looking at that roster it appears mommy has more than enough Mommy time with all the kids taking care of everything!
I'm torn on this. I think it's a breathe of fresh air to see a 12 yr old more concerned w/ her family than FB, or emulating Miley Cyrus I also think that she is only a child herself and it's obvious she's doing a LOT of the mothering. I don't have a problem w/ this Quiverful mindset necessarily but I don't think it's the ONLY plan for every person's life. God can put a call on a woman's life just as he can a man. Also, the Bible doesn't say be fruitful and multiply no matter what or else.
It's okay to teach your kids to make sure they know how to run the home, but I hope these parents are making room for their kids to find God's will for their own personal lives as well. What if they feel called to the mission field? What if one of their girls feel called to run a big CEO company that also helps the poor? What if one of them discovers the gift of singleness and find that they can live their lives just fine without a family? Make room for that stuff and don't be narrow-minded!
I feel so sorry for their oldest. She is trying so hard to live her parents' dreams that she can't be her own person. She has no idea that this is even so. I was raised to be a homemaker with my whole life focused towards marriage and children with no college or training for a job outside the home. I too was the smiling, perfect little witness for my parent's beliefs. It led to depression and then shock in my early thirties as I realized the perfect life was actually a prison.
Just a hypothetical question here but I can't help but wonder if these "quivers" would be so full if the older children weren't forced to care for the younger children. It should also be noted that college is not an option for most of the boys or any of the girls.
@alanespinney Our family isn't as large as the Shedd family, we only have 4 children. But our oldest is still living at home and going to college. She isn't "forced" to stay at home. She is 22yrs old and could move out on her own anytime. Instead she chooses to remain under our covering. She is waiting until God provides her with the husband that he has for her or until He leads her down another path. She has the freedom to do what she wants.
@VictorLepanto I did a ton of stuff as young as 8 I had many many chores. I was an only child. so what exactly is the difference. TRAIN not child labor!
@alanespinney My cousin has 7 children but they are wealthy (both parents being surgeons) and are strongly against this. Their teenagers care for the 2 little ones (4 are teens, 1 is about 8, and 2 are very little) but they claim these older siblings are not being helpers, they are forced to be parents not giving themselves time to do what they need. I appreciate these are well behaved kids, but ppl try this in Latin America and their kids starve.
I am a happy participant in the "Quiverfull" life...for viewers to assume their reality on this beautiful family is ridiculous. What Mom and Dad don't raise their children to believe as they themselves believe?! The mark of a good parent is the outcome of the grandchildren...let's take this conversation back up in about 20 years.
I personally know this couple and I've known several families who truly have an anointing and a heart to raise up godly children. For those couples who have difficulty or cannot conceive, there are, unfortunately, plenty of children whose parents were not up to the task and who put them in the foster or adoption system. I would think that infertile couples would be more grieved to see couples/parents with many children who were unfit parents--I know I am. Btw, child-rearing is very unselfish.
@alwaysfrog247 Adoption isn't just for unfertile couples: Quiverfull familes could adopt as well, as adoption was blessed by God (in the form of Jesus on the cross) at Calvery.
I think that this is great!! Children are a blessing from God. What a testament to be able to raise a large family following God's plan. Way to go Shedd family!!! May God continue to bless you.
This is sad. It's one thing to believe in something but to impose it on your child's life is another. Whatever happened to following your dreams? These children are brainwashed into thinking they are not good for anything but being spouses and breeding machines. If these were my parents they wouldn't like me too much. ;) I would go straight to college, get a good job, and take care of myself. Then I'd find a good man who loves me for the woman I am and that would be enough.
i feel that too much is being asked of the oldest girl...she should be allowed to be a kid, not a "second mommy"......yet how much choice does she have? i am a christian and i am opposed to the quiverfull movement.
@DasTuppen I agree with you. There are normal responsibilities for kids, taking out the trash, washing dishes, walking the dog, etc. But no child should have to help raise their brothers and sisters. Babysitting once and awhile is ok. But she's a child! She should be allowed to be one! So should all the other kids. I believe in kids helping out but there's a limit!
@RichKnight2010 Having big families is good if there are 2 parents committed to the marriage & to having lots of children & are mentally & financially capable of caring for them. Octomom is not a good example of a big family. Single women having lots of babies with lots of dif. men to increase their welfare payments isn`t a good ex. of a big family. Women w/AIDS who know they are dying but keep having babies isn`t a good ex. of a big family. Big families are good in the right circumstances.
@paisleyyama My parents had 7 children and we were poor when we were growing up. They had very little education and strongly believed that contraception was wrong so my mother kept pumping out children like a factory. While I loved my large family, siblings and parents, I think that we would have been much better off if they had had fewer children. I was made fun of at school as a child due to my crappy clothes and all of our chores were very gender oriented.
@dan24b But could you imagine life without any of your siblings? My cousins wanted just 3 kids, but ended up with 7. 2 conceived when the mom had her tubes tied (and no they're not twins). Their 5th born child is a prodigy (literally, at age 8 she entered High School) which is a blessing as their 1st 3 kids were special needs, the other 4 are normal. Kids always find a reason to bully others unfortunately.
@paisleyyama My sisters were expected to make me dinner, do my laundry and iron it too. How was that fair to them? They ended up having self-esteem issues, didn't go to college and ended up getting married just to escape their lives at home. I was encouraged to get a job as soon as I was old enough, but ironically, was never encouraged to go to college, not that my parents could have afforded it anyway due to having all those mouths to feed.
@dan I don`t know if your problem is purely due to family size rather than family dynamics. Your parents could`ve just had 1 kid & still raised an unhappy, uneducated kid. Some come from big homes, are happy, have good self esteems, & do well in life & others don`t. Just like some only kids are lonely, unhappy, sometimes mistreated, & others aren`t. It depends on the family I think.
@paisleyyama I honestly believe that a smaller family size would have led to a much greater quality of life for the family. I know what kind of salary my father earned and what kind of family he could have supported on such a salary. We were not dysfunctional, it was religion and cultural beliefs that made them treat my sisters the way that they did. I eventually went to college but only after realizing that if I wanted a decent job(non-menial) in life, I would have to get an education.
Pagan gods and goddesses, Mother Earth, and fellow brothers and sisters, overpopulation, here we come, draining and zapping the earth of her resources and strength!
SqueakyIri 4 hours ago
I think that this is wonderful, everyone seems to get along great and they all seem happy and productive, I don't see anything abusive about it; the fact that the wife is submitting to her husband and training up her girls to do the same is exactly how the bible says we should be as women, as long as her husband is not a dominating, abusive, overly controlling person, he seems to love and care for his wife and children, and honor and provide for them.
kellyabobbyc 1 month ago
If everybody is in this movement the world will be screwed in no time, there already are way too many people.
tsayad1986 1 month ago
Im sorry, but those people are creepy.
tsayad1986 1 month ago 2
I would never engage in such a lifestyle, but if they say seem happy, then maybe... they are? It's so arrogant to conclude they must be miserable and must be acting happy to the cameras just because you don't like nor comprehend the way they live. Plus, the family seems very comfortable economically, why shouldn't they have a the right to raise many children?
PruneauCerise 1 month ago
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hanna23able 2 months ago
They're smiling but their eyes have this creepy glazed over look. I wonder what their life is really like when cameras aren't running.
saechalyn 2 months ago
Omgggg that oldest girl is seriously putting on a show. Poor girl is brainwashed.
oddreyrose 2 months ago 2
omg people are doing something you don't agree with!!
banihex 2 months ago
The older girl looks like she's the mom not that old lady
nibblesxsips 2 months ago
I feel bad for the 12 year old. She has been robbed of her childhood.
I hope someday she can realize she can be anything she wants....and not just a mother and a slave to her husband like this crazy family wants her to believe.
JessieArmy 3 months ago
So we build God's Kingdom through having babies? Sounds like the way that Islam was spread
iviewer100 3 months ago
@iviewer100
If you think of it, ultimately that's the way highly hereditary characteristic have always spread. And there is nothing wrong with it, unless you dislike very faithful people ;-)
Tareki1000 3 months ago
How is a pastor able to afford such a huge nice home? What salary is he taking home to afford that lifestyle and large family? He would have to pull in $250,000 year to afford what we see.
georgethewondermutt 3 months ago
Quiverfull is NOT a RELIGION or SECT!
It's mostly practiced by Independent Fundamental Baptist families.
Duggars14 3 months ago
Disturbing is, that thanks to their birth rate, those christ-lovers will eventually take over.
Leeschany 4 months ago
These people are discusting. First to be religous qwaks and the baby making machines. I hope they dont try and spread their disease.
MrJohnnyrace 4 months ago
Some of you guys really need to get informed about the Freemasons, the New World Order and the overpopulation hoax. Who do you think will keep civilization up, if Westerners stop having children? Do you want to live in a muslim or chinese dominated country??
Bergkristall 4 months ago
@Bergkristall Most Americans do not want a Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or CHRISTIAN dominated country. We want a free secular country where all religious views (including that of no belief in any of the gods) can live side by side and none getting any politcal preference or protection.
MsMommaRose 3 months ago
These people are fucked up.
cochranexyz 4 months ago
A "pastor" by profession... Hmmm, thats not a bad career. I wonder if he was a coal miner or the like and had to earn the daily bread by working like an animal how dedicated he would be to fruitfully multiplying
From a man who works for a living this lifestyle looks miserable and quite exhausting. Those who think the wives and mothers are the ones who are enduring the most are showing your sexist bias. Most men in this lifestyle will work themselves into early graves for wives that stay home.
embracingreality 4 months ago
Quiverfull of SHIT
cheekypants321 4 months ago
This may be the least impartial report I've ever seen. It runs like a propaganda movie for huge families. Admittedly it looks like there is more after the point it cuts out here but there's no discussion of the absolute unsustainability of this kind of deliberate hyperprocreation - especially in a country where life expectancy is much higher than elsewhere in the world. Absolutely mental.
Blacknumenorean 4 months ago
Olivia is a sweetheart.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
I got a chill when the little 12 yr old said "I like helping Mommy, I'm learning to become a slave to my husband"
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
I want to hear the opinion of a Quiverfull woman. I don't think 7 children is outrageous. I know someone from a family of 14 kids and another from a family of 16. It's only outrageous when you can't support your kids with love, discipline, clothing, food, and room.
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
Why do girls have to wear dresses in these families? What if girls in these families don't want to become homemakers?
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
@TheTravelfool Does it matter if they wear dresses? If you saw a family where all the girls wore jeans would you ask "why do the girls HAVE to wear jeans?" I think you`re making a petty & biased point. People have a right to dress as they like. As for homemaking, if the girls don`t want to become homemakers, when they reach adulthood they have the legal right to leave home and make their own lives. The family may not like it, but they have the right to do their own thing.
paisleyyama 4 months ago
@paisleyyama 1. I was asking a simple question so no need to get snippy. 2. These girls are brainwashed from infancy to learn to be submissive. Their thinking strategies in the Quiverfull philosophy is very similar to how battered women living in domestic violent shelters think, that their husband/males in their lives control their thinking. I don't care so much about the dresses, but I feel this family isn't as rosy as we assume.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool Is any family as rosy as we assume? All families have problems. All families have areas where they could improve. All families have areas where they quite frankly fail! So I`m not sure if any of us is in a position to judge this family as inferior to another family. It is just different.
paisleyyama 4 months ago
@paisleyyama you can try and make excuses, but the truth of the matter is if you read quivering no more you will learn this is domestic violence at its best. As a Rotarian, I know what different is. I've been to 55 countries. This isn't different, a woman who has to be completely submissive to a man is called abuse. Especially when it comes to her body.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool Has it ever occurred to you that some women like to be submissive and taken care of? How others choose to live their lives in no one`s business but their own.
paisleyyama 4 months ago 4
@paisleyyama It is a concern when the parents who chose this lifestyle for themselves aren't giving their children the same freedom to choose. How do I know this? See @VyckieG's comment above. The Quiverfull lifestyle is built on the subjugation of women, advocating for a return to biblical patriarchy. @kellyabobbyc, this movement often protects abusive men, and shames women. It is anything but wonderful. Don't be deceived by the 'keep sweet' public persona.
lennonfan4ever40 2 weeks ago
@len That can be said of parents in all lifestyles. Gay parents don`t ask their kids if they want to be raised in a gay environ., nor do Muslim, Vegan, highly atheletic, highly academic, political, etc. parents. Parents have a life philosophy they think is good & want to pass on to their kids. When kids grow up they can accept or reject that upbringing, but parents have a right to teach what they think is good & it`s really no one else`s business.
paisleyyama 2 weeks ago
@paisleyyama Except THIS is indoctrination, they aren't giving any other viewpoints. Kind of like my mother.
Blitzfoofoo 2 weeks ago
@Blitzfoofoo Most forms of childrearing are indoctrination into the individual family values. Do you think vegetarians tell their kids how wonderful a hamburger is? Do you think the Clintons taught Chelsea both the dem. & rep. point of view in a nonbiased way? Do you think highly academic parents present the option of having fun, taking easy classes & going to a community college as an equal choice to studying hard & going to an Ivy League school? Most invested parents indoctrinate.
paisleyyama 2 weeks ago
@paisleyyama There is a great distinction between indoctrination and teaching your values to your children by telling them what is important to you and why. For example, teaching them the great value of hard work, discipline and how a good college education has it's obvious reasons and justifications: a better quality of life down the road. Forcing religious opinions, with out room to decide for one's self and with out good reasoning or justification is simply indoctrination.
dan24b 1 day ago
@dan24b If the quiverful lifestyle is the parents lifestyle & belief that it is the best way of life, it`s only natural the parents would teach the kids this lifestyle which they think is good & right. I don`t follow that lifestyle but all parents have something they feel is good & right & try to instill that in their kids. It`s not force & when the kids are grown they can accept or reject the lifestyle. For ex. Pres. kids don`t choose a political life. 1 could say it was forced on them. cont.
paisleyyama 1 day ago
@dan Dan Qualye`s son said security in the VP home was like prison. Amy Carter had a hard time. Chelsey was publically compared to a dog on TV, but that is the parents` choice & the kids have to go along w/it. There is good & bad. Some choose to follow in the parents` footsteps & others reject, but the experience is part of who they are & their roots. All kids are indoctrinated by their parents` lifestyle & values.
paisleyyama 1 day ago
@Blitzfoofoo You don't know if they expose kids to other viewpoints. Teaching kids to think that you can't hold to one viepoint is a form of indoctrination, too, a very mushy form of it.
SaudaraLink 1 week ago
@Blitzfoofoo Parents are there to teach what they think is right. The job of a parent is not to give a smorgasbord of values for a child to pick & choose from. A child initially follows what the parent teaches, but as the child matures, then they can see for themselves if what they have been taught is of value or not. If it is they hold to it, if not they search for themselves for what they think is good. I was 9 when my eyes were opened so I think kids know rather early.
paisleyyama 1 day ago
@paisleyyama yes, well do you think the girls choose it? If they do, that is fine but with women and the Quiverfull movement, the word choice is obsolete.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool I don`t know if they choose it just as I don`t know if the girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt chose that. What if they girl in a t-shirt & jeans wanted to dress more fashionably or be more feminine in a dress but the t-shirt & jeans is all her family would buy? Would that be so terrible? She doesn`t want to wear the jeans but she has to. That`s not so bad. These dresses aren`t so bad either. When they grow up they can dress as they like.
paisleyyama 4 months ago
@TheTravelfool I don`t know if they choose it just as I don`t know if the girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt chose that. What if they girl in a t-shirt & jeans wanted to dress more fashionably or be more feminine in a dress but the t-shirt & jeans is all her family would buy? Would that be so terrible? She doesn`t want to wear the jeans but she has to. That`s not so bad. These dresses aren`t so bad either. When they grow up they can dress as they like.
paisleyyama 4 months ago
Gee, he supports his very large family with the salary of a pastor. Good luck to all these kids when they want to go to college.
dan24b 5 months ago
@Alanespinney Do you know that A. Pell grants are great for us. B. Scholarships aren't hard to get for most homeschool kids, C. Clepping is the new fast track of choice and costs a tiny fraction of traditional college. People don't do college the 'old fashioned way' any more. My second is about to graduate from college and did all the work in two years. He's headed to grad school in psychology. Oldest son is a Russian/Pashto translator for Marines.
DonnaCRodgers 5 months ago
I don't fault them for having so many children, but their refusal to give their children a range of choices consonant with modern life in the real world. There is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home parent, but why not give the boy the option? Why not have the girls train for a career in case of death/abandonment by their husband? A totally dependent woman is an abuser's fantasy come true, odd that a loving parent would cater to the whims of the worst sort of potential spouse.
sharper201curzonst 5 months ago
@sharper201curzonst I think the Duggars' girls are very well prepared, far more than most girls (including myself). They can work with cars, they can do a LOT and a very prepared. They even know how to do tiling, put up drywall, etc.
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
@TheTravelfool I don't know much about the Duggers; I'm from Australia and live in Asia. A good trade education can be as valuable as an academic one, certainly. In this family we see a twelve-year old doing - well, the same things I did for my 3 younger sisters at the same age, while receiving a traditional education. She's preparing pasta (something every able-bodies person can do) - if she's not to attend a university, why not give her proper training as a chef?
sharper201curzonst 4 months ago
I was #3 of 5 kids. Loved the upbringing I had. Wouldn't have traded it for any money in the world. To answer some questions out there: older children aren't "forced" to take care of the younger siblings. We did it to help out; whoever said college isn't an option must have been given incorrect information. 4 of the 5 of us are in college right now; overpopulation is a word often used when people don't know the math. The folks offended by this video probably just feel convicted and defensive.
missrodgers09 5 months ago
As a former Quiverfull woman who has BTDT, I can honestly say, Yes - they are crazy.
I practiced "Biblical Womanhood" for about 16 years. I found the lifestyle demanding, abusive and ultimately unsustainable. I founded a website: No Longer Quivering, where those of us who have escaped share our experiences in that oppressive lifestyle.
VyckieG 5 months ago 9
@VyckieG Can you please explain how it was abusive? Thank you. Is it like the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints religion?
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
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These people are mad!
morgannicgregor 6 months ago
When they're talking about the 12 year old girl, it's interesting to me that they specifically point out that she's mothering the kids instead of being preoccupied with boys, gossip, or MySpace ... rather than the fact that she's not preoccupied with things that DON'T fall into the media's negative teen stereotype, like books, learning, exploring the world, etc.
carlasue88 6 months ago 2
@carlasue88 I thought so too
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
What about the children who cant even have one meal a day? If you want a big family, why not have a quiver full of ADOPTED little ones? :)
chocchipcookiegirl 6 months ago
@chocchipcookiegirl Have you ever tried to 'adopt' a quiver full of kids. Trying raising the funds and jumping through the legal hoops of even one. Try raising an adopted child over the age of three. The behavioral problems of many are severe. It takes years sometimes to even get one child..much less a whole family.
DonnaCRodgers 5 months ago
@chocchipcookiegirl they don't believe in adoption which I think right there debunks their entire philosophy. Also, having worked in 3rd world slums and in ghettos in the US, you are better to be a foster parent and adopt an older child or help the whole community improve itself.
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
@chocchipcookiegirl Why should i spend all this work and care on children that are not even my own? I rather make sure my own descendants fill the earth than other peoples descedants. Why should I make up for other peoples lack of responsibility and intelligence to look after their own children?
Bergkristall 4 months ago
@Bergkristall I hope you're joking
chocchipcookiegirl 4 months ago
Mortifying.
Maozang 6 months ago
@Maozang
I agree. It's disgusting. Have these people ever heard of overpopulation?
Muffynbear 6 months ago
A quiverfull movement though? mmmm ok
authentic76 6 months ago
parents are sitting down and the kids are doing the work. lazy.
amyyyamy 6 months ago
@colieswo So then why do the women do it? And don't give me any bullshit like they're being forced to.
imRyRy 7 months ago
Wow. Just sad. The girls are so happy now, but so often become horribly oppressed and miserable after they go on to enter into a "godly" marriage.
Izlandzadi14 7 months ago 3
Google the website "no longer quivering" to read stories of women who have escaped their domineering husbands in this "quiverfull" movement. It's not a pleasant life for a women. They are as oppressed as muslim women. Their children are raised to be baby factories and do not leave home to go to university or higher education. They stay home taking care of their parents babies until they are found a partner of like mind and then churn out babies of their own.
userexists123 8 months ago in playlist short movies, big art II 15
@userexists123 I just read the entire blog for a couple hours. WOW. I am not surprised, I always had the feeling. How many kids do you have?
TheTravelfool 4 months ago
If that was a muslim family they would not make such a TV show. Funny how muslims get away with everything and Christians have to justify themselves for their believes. What about pluralism of opinions and tolerance? Nor for Christians, right? Thought so.
Bergkristall 8 months ago
@Bergkristall Muslims get away with everything because the western world has to suck Saudi dick for oil. Until their natural resources dry up they're allowed to treat women however they want, regardless of all the human rights violations.
cheekypants321 4 months ago
You can't give that many children the attention they need.
Bumblybee256 8 months ago
@cosnowmomma And it would be fine if everyone did this, would it?
Bumblybee256 8 months ago
There's a difference between "choosing" to have kids because you want to, and sacrificing your life by having a kid every year and bowing to your husband because that's what you've been brainwashed to do. They're brainwashing their daughters to have no other goals or choices in life. That's wrong.
tigerslilly29 8 months ago 2
Families like these are our only hope to keep the Muslims from taking over a America. Catholics have understood that for centuries.
SandySeashellBeaches 8 months ago
@SandySeashellBeaches Yes, you're right. Instead of changing immigration and helping muslim women from being forcibly married young etc why not pressure women into a lifetime of childbearing. *rolls eyes*.
Bumblybee256 8 months ago
i'm the 5th of 7 and while i love growing up in such a large family, i by no means want that many...now that i think of it, i'm not sure i want ANY, but that's my choice and is their choice...and if you think of it, they're better than the polygamists with 14 wives and 98 kids...
Irie2286 8 months ago
i'm the 5th of 7 and while i love growing up in such a large family, i by no means want that many...now that i think of it, i'm not sure i want ANY, but that's my choice and is their choice
Irie2286 8 months ago
@cosnowmomma because they're fucking loud and they disturb their neighbours!!!!!
jesusphillips 9 months ago
@jesusphillips off topic, the husband's head is really long and narrow. just had to point that out.
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
@cosnowmomma AMEN! God bless them! they are wonderful people!they are making a hopeful contribution to the world! :)
reneeandlilia 9 months ago
This isn't just about having large families. This is another way to keep women uneducated and submissive. If you want to be that way, fine. But these fucks are brainwashing their daughters to not have any other thought or ambition. And that is straight our wrong on so many levels.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@tigerslilly29 So what they should be doing is raising their children to be foul-mouthed, cynical illiterates such as you, I suppose. Sorry but our society is burdened by enough people like you. We need as many good-hearted wholesome women that we can get to keep our society from slipping back into a state of pre-Christian barbarism and depravity.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@KenGS333 You don't me, so don't judge. You have no right to judge me or my life. I believe the Bible says something about that. That line about "God" opening & closing the womb is crap. If these women truly want to do what they're doing, then fine, but to spew that religious b.s. and say that this every woman's place is crap. I don't want kids, never have, never will. I'm probably a better person than these women who do nothing but spit out kids every year.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago 2
@tigerslilly29 I love it when leftist-liberal, non-, anti-Christians try to use the "the Bible says something about not being judgmental". Try actually reading the Bible to understand what Christ was saying. Nothing which I've posted in relation to you is "judgmental". The fact that you have problems and need to deal with them is an observation and a suggestion, not judging you.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@KenGS333 I'm using the Bible because that's what you ppl use. I don't believe in the Bible. I am not going to follow it. I could care less about it. But if a religious person who is going to preach God and religion is going to judge, then I'm going to point out the hypocrisy. What do you care if I don't want kids? The ChildFree movement is growing. 1 in 5 women are not having kids. I'm one of them. Deal with it, bud.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago 2
@KenGS333 And like I said, I wasn't "judging" ppl who have and want kids. I'm against ppl having children and then brainwashing them into thinking that's what they put on earth to do. There is more to live than being a slave to your husband and kids.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@tigerslilly29 Like I said, you were the one judging, not me. That having children is the only purpose of her life is a delusion on your part. Typical leftist-liberal, you claim to stand for rights, yet devalue humans that you don't fit your narrow concept of how they should behave. Now I've had enough from you; so shut up and go troll somewhere else. Troll.
KenGS333 9 months ago
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@KenGS333 Yes, you were. You judged me and life and my personality off a comment I made on a Youtube vid. "cynical illiterates" "The fact that you have problems" "What does that say about your views toward and value of human life." "devalue humans." Judging. These ppl are having children so they can raise their daughters to be a slave to a man and have a bunch of kids. They start it early on. It's right in their rules. If you don't want to hear from me, you shouldn't have commented me.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@KenGS333 I'm not one of your submissive Quiverfull women. I can actually speak my mind and my opinions. I don't take orders from a man. I know you hate that, but that's life. I choose to stay CF and not live my life according to what some man thinks I should. If you don't like it, oh well.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago 7
@KenGS333 Why do you assume that atheists are leftist and liberal? I'm a libertarian. The Bible is full of immorality and great evil and is by no means something that we should look up to, respect or admire. Jesus actually gave a lot of useless and absurd advise and the god of the old testament is just a total monster. Oh, but wait, aren't Jesus and the god of the old testament part of the same "god"? Your beliefs, are ridiculous, nonsensical and full of immorality. Wake up!
dan24b 5 months ago
@dan24b Just another example of why I've come to believe that libertarian is a synonym for retard.
KenGS333 1 week ago
@KenGS333 That I believe in fiscally responsible and sensible, free market ideals is "retarded" according to you? Look in the mirror first buddy before you start to insult people for having different opinions.
dan24b 1 day ago
@tigerslilly29 There you go you don't want children "never have, never will". What does that say about your views toward and value of human life. What makes you think you have the right to "judge" anyone who does, regardless of their beliefs. Your rich; invoke the Bible, yet call it a bunch of "crap". Maybe you should start reading it and start getting your life back in order. You really seem like a bitter, mean-spirited, lost person. But even you can be saved.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@KenGS333 If you want to be a slave to some man, that's fine. If you want a large family, that's fine. But brainwashing your daughters into thinking they are worth no more than just spitting out kids for a man is a disgrace. This society doesn't need any more fruitcakes like THAT.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@tigerslilly29 Seems to me that the only person here devaluing these girls is you. Reducing motherhood to little more than "spitting out kids for a man" is astonishingly cynical and ignorant. It speaks to a greater liberal-leftist disregard for the sanctity of life and moral and ethical behaviour. God knows what problems and issues you have; I suggest you deal with them and start being a positive influence in society rather than being an anonymous, hate-filled, bigoted Internet troll.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@KenGS333 Once again, you don't know me, & your "God" doesn't want you judging. Correct? If you were able to comprehend what I wrote, you would've understood that I said there's nothing wrong with wanting kids, but to have kids to brainwash them into thinking this is the only purpose for women, is another. Telling your daughters that their place is to serve a man & constantly have his kids, & to teach your sons that women have no other value but to serve a man, is wrong.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
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@tigerslilly29 Even you can be saved.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@KenGS333 Women who have kids have not accomplished anything that billions of women before them have accomplished. Any woman with a functioning uterus can do it. I'm not impressed. You speak to Republicans who hate women who have other priorities in life that feel they can accomplish different things than just being a wife/mother. If that's what you want, fine, but there are some of us who do not want that. There are women out there who do not feel their "place" is to serve a man.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
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tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@KenGS333 Sorry Ken, it was christianity (also Islam) that inspired barbarism/depravity for centuries. In fact, were it not for the secular ideals of the Enlightenment, christians might still be burning heretics at the stake or starting religious wars. It was secular ideas that had to drag Christianity kicking and screaming into modernity where we don't kill people for not believing, where we don't arrest gays, where we don't force rape victims to marry their rapists as the Bible prescribes.
dan24b 5 months ago
@dan24b Completely devoid of any factual truth. You actually thought that I'd even waste my time trying to enter into a reasoned discussion with an ignoramus like you?
KenGS333 1 week ago
@KenGS333 Care to specifically point out what aspect of my posting was devoid of any truth? Why do you resort to insults instead of addressing the very relevant points that I brought up? Perhaps because you don't have any counter-arguments? I think your ad-hominems are a sure sign that you have nothing of value to say about the topics in this thread.
dan24b 1 day ago
"God opens the womb, and closes the womb." But he doesn't open thy legs or take out thous dick.
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
Has anyone ever thought that being 'fruitful and multiply' might mean something other than just spreading your legs and having children? Good deeds are fruits, so are lasting works of art or literature that change people's lives. How many people know the Sistine Chapel(great work by Michelangelo)? Ok, now how many people know Michaelangelo's children? Enough said.
GoddessAntares 9 months ago
@GoddessAntares I wish more people thought like you!
tigerslilly29 9 months ago
@GoddessAntares No be fruitful and multiply comes from Genesis 1:28, and it clearly means have children. Whether the context that the verse appears in is grounds for Christians to engage in having large families is debatable, but there's nothing in the Bible against having many children and the Bible does make it clear that they are valued and a blessing. As for Michelangelo, gimme a break! He and the Catholic church that commissioned his works were complete PERVERTS.
KenGS333 9 months ago
@cosnowmomma the problem si that they want to breed to the point where they will outnumer secular america and tunr our nation into christian nazis like state.They are extreme terrioist who want to take over world by having as many children as possible.If i was in charge i will make sure they would all be DEAD.I HATE CHRISTIAN LIKE THESE.
rockking05 9 months ago
I am closely associated with a family like this and the older girls do the cooking, take care of the kids constantly.. and their isn't room in the house for all the kids, so the older girls play babysitter during the night too because they have to sleep with the younger girls. These older girls are not encouraged to go out and get jobs..the parents prefer them to do little jobs from the house. That way , they keep their child care. It isn't wonderful, or super spiritual like they claim it is.
lovesC1998 9 months ago 4
Although I'm an atheist, I've gotta give props to these people. God or Not it's gotta be hard to raise several kids (I honestly wouldn't know from experience due to being raised as the youngest of two kids).
But if I did have the choice of having several kids, I would rather adopt. Sure if I find a wife whose pretty rad (as in can kick my ass with a d20) then of course we'll have one or two of our own kids. But there's so many kids in the world without parents, they could use a nice home.
jakey926 9 months ago
The only real problem that I have with this is that these families seem to want to maintain a suburban, middle class existence, when the Bible clearly teaches that Christians should be separate from the world. Ideally this movement should also advocate a "return to the land," self-sufficiency, (local) alternative economies, and restrictions on types of employment bread earners can have.
KenGS333 10 months ago
"But no, they're not crazy, they're Quiverful."
But yes, they are crazy, they are Fundies. They base their entire life, family, their everything upon one dodgy translation of one word describing one vague allusion from a collection of Bronze Age story-tellers, hucksters and publicity-whores: the ranting schizos, desert burn-outs, anti-Roman politicos and bickering Temple hangers-on getting their bit in.
Then they "train" their kids with it. Setting them up for life as miserable fuck-ups.
krakenwave 10 months ago 3
@krakenwave So what kind of enlightened upbringing did you have to write such an hate-filled, hypocritical comment?
KenGS333 10 months ago
@KenGS333
By you , "hate-filled, hypocritical" = "didn't get brainwashed by some sky-daddy death-cult."
krakenwave 10 months ago
The problem is that Genesis 1:22 "be fruitful and multiply" is a fulfilled in the N.T. by the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19, and not by having bigger families ("Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.") In the N.T. the children of believers are not viewed as Christians or "in the covenant". See Jeremiah 31:31-34 and John 1:12-13.
MattSanAntonio 10 months ago
Just posted this video on my scilog "Biology of Religion". It is a powerfull illustration of the reproductive potential and subsequent evolution of religiosity and pro-life religious traditions.
MBlume1976 10 months ago
The problem is the older girls et stuck with babysitting and housework through their teens. It is no life. I know, I lived it.
Imogen1885 11 months ago 2
Why aren't they covering the damage that subjugating your will, and beating obedience into your children, causes?
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mihoda 1 year ago
God "designed" you with the capacity to pick up a rubber.
I'm sure God didn't want his followers to live in abject poverty supported primarily from the refundable Child Tax Credit, giving you, with 7 children, negative federal income tax.
mihoda 1 year ago
God "designed" you with the capacity to pick up a fucking rubber.
mihoda 1 year ago
To put is simply, these people are training their kids to spread Gods message. If every Christian has 10 kids and every atheist has just 2, eventually Christians will rule the earth. And to be honest even though I am not one I think its a good thing, all these kids are nice, respectful individuals.
MissNomad428 1 year ago
@MissNomad428 The problem with your math is that most atheists in this country use to be Christians. Unfortunately for you, you christians can't seem to hold onto your own members and as reason, science and common sense become more prevalent in our society, religion (christianity in particular) will continue it's slow decline.
dan24b 5 months ago
Is the rest of this story posted anywhere?
FlowerChild65 1 year ago
People need to face one simple fact. The future belongs to the fertile.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
are these people for real? why the hell are they trying to breed like freaking rabbits? trying to set a world record perhaps? poor kids - they're being brainwashed by their IDIOT PARENTS!!!
ibeawicked1 1 year ago
Incredible!! Very interesting to hear from other Quiverfull families. God bless the Shedd family!
ErikaChristine 1 year ago 2
is this a program????????????
sezmoo 1 year ago
sad thing is, i think they really think they are doing their kids a favor by "training" them.
amyyyamy 1 year ago
wow i feel sorry for olivia. she's kind of missing out on her youth. and it's NOT her own decision when she's 12 years old, that's for sure.
amyyyamy 1 year ago
It's one thing to get her eldest to help out - I do ask my eldest to help out but it appears to me that she might actually pull more than her fair share. My 4 children are being raised to help with housework - it's called team work. Looking at that roster it appears mommy has more than enough Mommy time with all the kids taking care of everything!
MSADSVS 1 year ago
I'm torn on this. I think it's a breathe of fresh air to see a 12 yr old more concerned w/ her family than FB, or emulating Miley Cyrus I also think that she is only a child herself and it's obvious she's doing a LOT of the mothering. I don't have a problem w/ this Quiverful mindset necessarily but I don't think it's the ONLY plan for every person's life. God can put a call on a woman's life just as he can a man. Also, the Bible doesn't say be fruitful and multiply no matter what or else.
MamaBeau75 1 year ago 2
@cosnowmomma It's the fact these children are being indoctrinated against pretty much everyone who doesn't believe as they do.
Fr0st1989 1 year ago
It's okay to teach your kids to make sure they know how to run the home, but I hope these parents are making room for their kids to find God's will for their own personal lives as well. What if they feel called to the mission field? What if one of their girls feel called to run a big CEO company that also helps the poor? What if one of them discovers the gift of singleness and find that they can live their lives just fine without a family? Make room for that stuff and don't be narrow-minded!
TVrawks301 1 year ago
Catholic families have been doing this for Generations... glad to see some other Christians and Embracing it.
Ginnamom 1 year ago 2
I feel so sorry for their oldest. She is trying so hard to live her parents' dreams that she can't be her own person. She has no idea that this is even so. I was raised to be a homemaker with my whole life focused towards marriage and children with no college or training for a job outside the home. I too was the smiling, perfect little witness for my parent's beliefs. It led to depression and then shock in my early thirties as I realized the perfect life was actually a prison.
willowrosecottage 1 year ago
That verse that was quoted at around 2:20 is from the Old Testament- Aren't Christians not bound by OT laws?
HypomanicPoet 1 year ago
awesome. much better than the single-mom slut / wigger machine that is the contermporary family.
xychr0 1 year ago
Just a hypothetical question here but I can't help but wonder if these "quivers" would be so full if the older children weren't forced to care for the younger children. It should also be noted that college is not an option for most of the boys or any of the girls.
alanespinney 1 year ago 19
@alanespinney Our family isn't as large as the Shedd family, we only have 4 children. But our oldest is still living at home and going to college. She isn't "forced" to stay at home. She is 22yrs old and could move out on her own anytime. Instead she chooses to remain under our covering. She is waiting until God provides her with the husband that he has for her or until He leads her down another path. She has the freedom to do what she wants.
ssn775 1 year ago
@alanespinney: I have confession to make. I was forced to do things as child too. They called them "chores!" OH, THE HORROR!
VictorLepanto 7 months ago
@VictorLepanto I did a ton of stuff as young as 8 I had many many chores. I was an only child. so what exactly is the difference. TRAIN not child labor!
EstherofSuza 7 months ago
@EstherofSuza: Many hands make for light work. It is a wonderful old proverb.
VictorLepanto 7 months ago
@alanespinney Free Jinger!!!
FlowerChild65 7 months ago
@alanespinney My cousin has 7 children but they are wealthy (both parents being surgeons) and are strongly against this. Their teenagers care for the 2 little ones (4 are teens, 1 is about 8, and 2 are very little) but they claim these older siblings are not being helpers, they are forced to be parents not giving themselves time to do what they need. I appreciate these are well behaved kids, but ppl try this in Latin America and their kids starve.
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
I am a happy participant in the "Quiverfull" life...for viewers to assume their reality on this beautiful family is ridiculous. What Mom and Dad don't raise their children to believe as they themselves believe?! The mark of a good parent is the outcome of the grandchildren...let's take this conversation back up in about 20 years.
wardfam10 1 year ago 3
I personally know this couple and I've known several families who truly have an anointing and a heart to raise up godly children. For those couples who have difficulty or cannot conceive, there are, unfortunately, plenty of children whose parents were not up to the task and who put them in the foster or adoption system. I would think that infertile couples would be more grieved to see couples/parents with many children who were unfit parents--I know I am. Btw, child-rearing is very unselfish.
alwaysfrog247 1 year ago
@alwaysfrog247 Adoption isn't just for unfertile couples: Quiverfull familes could adopt as well, as adoption was blessed by God (in the form of Jesus on the cross) at Calvery.
BillyBobKumar 1 year ago
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alwaysfrog247 1 year ago
I think that this is great!! Children are a blessing from God. What a testament to be able to raise a large family following God's plan. Way to go Shedd family!!! May God continue to bless you.
meyersjm1 1 year ago 2
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These people are sick.
dearestjen 1 year ago
Can you imagine how much it would hurt to be a couple who can't conceive and then see this selfish family with 65465456454151 kids?
OpinionatedEm 1 year ago
disturbing
oojamaflipper 1 year ago
This is sad. It's one thing to believe in something but to impose it on your child's life is another. Whatever happened to following your dreams? These children are brainwashed into thinking they are not good for anything but being spouses and breeding machines. If these were my parents they wouldn't like me too much. ;) I would go straight to college, get a good job, and take care of myself. Then I'd find a good man who loves me for the woman I am and that would be enough.
klb084 1 year ago
i feel that too much is being asked of the oldest girl...she should be allowed to be a kid, not a "second mommy"......yet how much choice does she have? i am a christian and i am opposed to the quiverfull movement.
DasTuppen 1 year ago
@DasTuppen What is wrong with a young adult learning responsibility?
KenGS333 1 year ago
@DasTuppen I agree with you. There are normal responsibilities for kids, taking out the trash, washing dishes, walking the dog, etc. But no child should have to help raise their brothers and sisters. Babysitting once and awhile is ok. But she's a child! She should be allowed to be one! So should all the other kids. I believe in kids helping out but there's a limit!
klb084 1 year ago
i've been learning about this movement and reading up about it, i'm converted! I am totally a supporter of the quiverfull movement now
boganlewis 1 year ago
Having big families is good.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago 2
@RichKnight2010 Having big families is good if there are 2 parents committed to the marriage & to having lots of children & are mentally & financially capable of caring for them. Octomom is not a good example of a big family. Single women having lots of babies with lots of dif. men to increase their welfare payments isn`t a good ex. of a big family. Women w/AIDS who know they are dying but keep having babies isn`t a good ex. of a big family. Big families are good in the right circumstances.
paisleyyama 1 year ago
@paisleyyama My parents had 7 children and we were poor when we were growing up. They had very little education and strongly believed that contraception was wrong so my mother kept pumping out children like a factory. While I loved my large family, siblings and parents, I think that we would have been much better off if they had had fewer children. I was made fun of at school as a child due to my crappy clothes and all of our chores were very gender oriented.
dan24b 5 months ago
@dan24b But could you imagine life without any of your siblings? My cousins wanted just 3 kids, but ended up with 7. 2 conceived when the mom had her tubes tied (and no they're not twins). Their 5th born child is a prodigy (literally, at age 8 she entered High School) which is a blessing as their 1st 3 kids were special needs, the other 4 are normal. Kids always find a reason to bully others unfortunately.
TheTravelfool 5 months ago
@paisleyyama My sisters were expected to make me dinner, do my laundry and iron it too. How was that fair to them? They ended up having self-esteem issues, didn't go to college and ended up getting married just to escape their lives at home. I was encouraged to get a job as soon as I was old enough, but ironically, was never encouraged to go to college, not that my parents could have afforded it anyway due to having all those mouths to feed.
dan24b 5 months ago
@dan I don`t know if your problem is purely due to family size rather than family dynamics. Your parents could`ve just had 1 kid & still raised an unhappy, uneducated kid. Some come from big homes, are happy, have good self esteems, & do well in life & others don`t. Just like some only kids are lonely, unhappy, sometimes mistreated, & others aren`t. It depends on the family I think.
paisleyyama 5 months ago
@paisleyyama I honestly believe that a smaller family size would have led to a much greater quality of life for the family. I know what kind of salary my father earned and what kind of family he could have supported on such a salary. We were not dysfunctional, it was religion and cultural beliefs that made them treat my sisters the way that they did. I eventually went to college but only after realizing that if I wanted a decent job(non-menial) in life, I would have to get an education.
dan24b 5 months ago