I'm still tryin to figure out all these people who say ninjutsu ISN'T a martial art. Karate is a martial art, Judo is a martial art. Boxing YES BOXING, is a martial art. Why exactly is Ninjutsu not a martial art?
@SeanteBrown ninjutsu is an occupation my friend. within that occupation they learn many martial arts including samarai styles,battlefield martial arts things of that nature. look up the nine schools of bujinkan.itll tell you the 9 martial arts they studied.
Regardless, there are many people who say that the bujinkan is a joke and what not. That's okay, but to those who trash the lessons, please go and challenge them, because the shit works well, and you'd lose.
@exeller8007 - this was clearly made in the 80s/90s, at least over a decade ago. It's not "being made," it IS made.
A secret for you folks because you seem like such cheery fellows: Soke and the 4 top shihan record techniques incorrectly to mess with people.
You think they don't know the trash people say about them? They don't care haha.
And soke is prolly in the billions by now. Extremely extensive collections of super rare artifacts, a huge laughable organization, and I believe he used t
the last roll sucked XD " he rolls to loosen the impact" , he fell and got the impact , then remember he had to roll , im a white belt at bujinkan and i love it , but damn ive seen better parkour falls-&-roll
pd: the other ones ive never felt they work that much , he always stops the katana midway
wot a load of crap!! i am 50yrs in martial arts including aikido trained with steven seagall in the last 25yrs, i cannot belive crap like this is being made...
i can believe it is made... i just can't believe he can find SOOOO MANY IDIOTS that have so much money to throw away that they SPEND THOUSANDS BUYING IT FROM HIM!!!
getting high ranks in the bjk isn't about knowing the curriculum, perfecting your movements, or removing your predictability... it's simply a product of repeatedly shelling out teh chedda to hatsumi... the old codger must be a millionaire thricefold by now.
I suggest you shut up and go practise the art of falling. Aikido what a joke its just a ripped off form of daito ryu
The reason why you say its crap is because your jealous that your aikido teacher fat seagal couldn't do what these guys do.. So go comment on an aikido vid you worthless pile of monkey crap.
@MrDontstareitsrude yes a typical non contender in the world of martial arts good with words but not in the arts, i pity you and feel sorry for you, obviously a want to be!, there is a real world i suggest you get in it little person (i say little person as the words are femenine and childish!) and play on your xbox a little more, i have forgot more than you will ever be able to learn as a small mind like yours is so incapable of any reality, please reply and make me laugh even more hahahaha...
@exeller8007 first of all i don't have an xbox so if you really did know me then you wouldn't of put it. So I guess your the one who has little to do.
Further more Ninpo is older than aikido so you shouldn't disrepect something you know nothing of.
so you gonna cry now aww poor baby go run along to momma or if you want to challange me then so be it I can settle for a fight in the real world do you accept?? Oh and a fight to the death and I am double serious.
@MrDontstareitsrude you are a pitty to society!, lol if you read properly the firs comment aikido is one art i have studied! silly little boy hahaha, ju jitsu is the art instilled in me ( the old world SAMURAI ) oh thats why u feel the need to fight to the death!, underling i fought gypsies, pykies, bad boys from towns and country`s, also gang hard men lol you would be of no interest at all, i dont fight to the death just to stop, your little empty words are beneath me, go play with girls...
@MrDontstareitsrude kill death murder listen to yourself little boy!, does your boyfriend know you are talking to other men? think not, oh by the way ju jitsu is over 2000yrs old lol ;), and you watch the movies too much go straighten youself up and get laid by a woman (if she has a dildo big enough for you!) and stop throwing punches and kicks in the mirror before some one takes you serius and hurts you to an embarassing state lol, people like you i ignore as you are all gonna be`s zzzzzzzzz.
is this all you can do is bitch about stuff on here AIKIDO is a load of rubbish
A person doing DAITO RYU would destroy any AIKIDO practitioner
anything else you want to say dumbass.
Are you fat? you sure type like you are.
:-) BTW your whole family are a bunch of losers hahahahahaha go cry to mommy you poor thing. When you came out of your mum was it from her ass cus your full of shit. ;-)
@Cardan011 you dont understand what these guys train to do. Its not a stand up fight like MMA, its sneaking in a house while someone is asleep and poisoning their food or slitting their throat. Its made to avoid stand up fights. Avoiding a fight is the #1 priority.
@LordDigz12 ummmm so what they are having a school where they train people how to do breaking and entering or murder? lol Let one of this clowns try to enter my house and poison my food...ninja or not he cant dodge shotgun blast...comon people u been fed all this crap ninja movies over the years is it really possible that people are stilll sold on this crap. You want to be real ninja join armed forces and become SF soldier. Theese are nothing more dif then those Larp weirdos
@Cardan011 Obviously you dont know very much, do you. Ninjutsu is the origination of modern training recieved in most special forces and special forces close combat training.
@MatteV2 How do you figure that? Modern training in specops is a pretty direct lineage back to the units used in WW2. SEALs, Special Forces, SAS, Spetznaz, etc were in use long before Soke started teaching this stuff to outsiders. There are some universal principals but having trained with some SEAL and Marine Recon friends, their taijutsu isn't much at all like mine. Maybe some similarities to Kukishinden ryu but that's about it.
@ninjrk Then i will have to retake that statement. I did know that there were similarities between SF Hand-to-hand training and certain martial arts, and i thought i had heard from somewhere that Taijutsu was one of them. Apparently i was wrong.
@MatteV2 This does not entirely rule out the use of Ninpo Taijutsu techniques applied in special forces Close Quarter Combat training...along with others: Muay Thai, Escrima, and Jiu Jitsu. The last ones are taken from what Frank Cucci states as a former CQC Instructor for the SEAL teams. To note: Taijutsu is not unique to just Ninjutsu, but to all of Japan. Similar to how Kung Fu is to China.
@MatteV2 only similarity of term ninja and today special forces is that "historic" ninjas were special forces of its day. And Matte V2 your comment only shows that you do not have even slightest clue about what you are talking about. So instead of talking out of your ass and beliving crap you watch from Hatsumi's videos do some research about the subject, also do some research about SF training. There were special forces in Europe when no one had any idea what the fuck ninja is: SAS (WW2) etc
@Cardan011 The SF of today often recieve training similair to that of Martial arts. A long list of them are included in the hand-to-hand combat training that SF recieves. Now i admit that i dont know exactly wich ones, but i thought i heard somewhere that Ninjutsu was one of them. For sure i know that at least the Spetznas recieves training in Aikido, and if i remember correctly Judo as well.
@MatteV2 The SPETZNAZ train in CAMBO. The US Special Forces train in Modern Army Combatives Program which is a mix of Brazilian JJ, Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai, Kali and others. They nor anyone else does ninjutsu.
@Lordasia I assume you forget that the stealth walking (Shinobi Aruki) of Ninjutsu and/or the Apache Scout Stalking Tactics are very useful for applications where noise of movement is the enemy as well. For instants, a Navy SEAL Fireteam member needs to quietly and quickly eliminate a guard or sentry. I do see your point however...You would think that the Japanese would have their own special forces which fully emply Ninjutsu, similar to Navy SEALS. These are merely demonstrations ppl
@dieldelorung There is no such thing as stealth walking in modern warfare. Gear and footwear alone makes it impossible. Stealth is achieved many ways and the most common is using a diversion to mask your movements. You will not find any ninja stealth walking training here at Fort Bragg.
@Lordasia I like how you speak for ALL branches of military around the world. Since Fort Bragg does not employ such tactics means that it must not be taught anywhere else around the world. since when was a member of Fort Bragg involved in international Intelligence Gathering? You assume that everyone is heavily packed with gear. Sneaking up behind someone is possible on an old wooden floor with boots by the way.
@dieldelorung Are you or have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been apart in any Special Operations team. How many operations have you been on? How many multinational teams have you worked with? A LOT of members of Fort Bragg are involved in Intelligence gathering. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Lastly, you can sneak up on someone who is distracted but you are NOT going to sneak up on anyone alert with boots on a wooden floor.
@Lordasia Many experts have analogized modern Ninjutsu to special combat units such as S.W.A.T., U.S. Navy SEALS, Black Ops, etc. due to the way they combine techniques used by the ancient Ninja with modern combat. Their CQC Methods are taken from Ninpo Taijutsu and other arts as well....But I'm sure you already knew that, with you being so adept at Intelligence Gathering and all...Do I need to join the military in order to talk about it? WE do not have to kiss your @__es...thats an elective.
@dieldelorung One of my posts is missing now. Anyways you are full of shit. SEALs do not do any CQC based off of ninpo taijutsu unless you can produce an offical POI on it you need to STFU. Fact of the matter is they do a lot of JKD and MMA. Next time try to actually know what you are talking about before responding. When you don'tmyou just look like an ass, like now. If you don't have any military experience in this area don' t try telling those who do what they do and do not train.
@dieldelorung really whats the point talking to someone who is completely ingnorant about the subject? I noticed that most of people who are sold on Hatsumi's atnics are like cult followers brain washed....as several people already tried to explain it to you...and by reading their posts they actually know what they are talking about...
@Cardan011 Ignorant...Im pretty sure I spent more time learning the history of Ninjutsu more than yourself, as well as the Shaolin Temples and their kung fu. "Sold" on cult-like teachings...you must be talking about the Mikkyo Philosophy that is involved and integrated into the very essence of Ninjutsu. I question EVERYTHING from anyone and analyze it for myslef before exepting it as truth or valid. Ninja are no different than the Essenes of the ancient Hebrew...except they had to fight 2 liv
@dieldelorung Also point out where I spoke for ALL the military around the world. I didn't you only said that because you are butthurt. You mentioned SEALs. are talking out your ass. The reason I can say that is because SEALs, along with many other SO soldier, train here at Bragg.
@Lordasia I'd rather wait for a war that actually is based on OUR freedom being at stake. You shouldn't talk about what you and your barracks buddies do...I didn't ask. Isn't that the policy? Im sure you are aware that Stephen K. Hayes Stephen K. Hayes has demonstrated self-protection skills to military and law-enforcement groups including the U.S. Air Force Academy, the FBI Academy, the American Society for Law Enforcement Training, and members of Britain's elite SAS. Yet he is Ninja
@dieldelorung As expected you don't know jack but tried to type as an expert. Typical. First off I didn't mentioned anything I do I asked YOU questions that I already knew the answers too. So it seems your reading comprehension if flawed. I also know Mr Hayes very well. He doesn't teach anything like stealth walking to the military. Matter of fact one of his students and a dear friend of mine, also a former SpecOps soldier, just published a book on battlefield tactics. Guess what isn't in there?
@Lordasia Struck a nerve did I...just try not to go ballistic (pun intended) like some of your fellow brothers of the tags have. So much anger and so quick to unleash it...typical. ABC, 123...I know the alphabet too. I never actually stated as if fact that they used those particular tactics, I merely suggested their application. My guess, black Ops is used to describe CIA & NSA agents on missions or something (not my words). Do you happen to know Santa Clause, Jesus and Krishna as well...
@dieldelorung What makes you think you stroke a nerve? I'm not the one talking out my ass on stuff I know nothing about. That is you. I think you you're mistaking anger for someone laughing at you. You tried to sound authoritative and you did state somethings as fact in which you were wrong. Then you got butthurt. Now you are back backpedaling. So far you only proved your ignorance. BTW your guess is wrong as well. Trying passive aggressive doesn't change that.
@Lordasia Check the very first reply I made to your comment and you will see no "I know for a fact" statement made by me about the use of ninjutsu in modern military. Im not the one constantly trying to insult (which you started by the way), which signifies you are the one who needs a distraction (backpeddling). Snipers use concealment and slow movement tactics similar to that of Apache Scouts and Ninja. SEALS operate much like ninja did of old...the spirit of ninjutsu lives on...Peace!
@dieldelorung Whatever idiot. My reply was to someone else because unlike you I can speak from authority on the subject. YOU tried to act like an expert saying, "I assume you forget" like you knew how things operate. I was even nice in my first reply to you even though I knew you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about but you got all buthurt and YOU started the insults. I pointed out facts you talked out your add PERIOD. You don't know shit about Snipers, SEALs, or any one else.
@Lordasia Judging by your very prompt responses you seem to have nothing but this debate going on in your life...surprising considering you're military. It is apparent that you will never see what exactly I am saying due to your anger and ego blinding fogging your judgement (can't say its better given what I've seen so far). I am merely explaining while you are trying to impose your will upon me...that is an act of violence. Too bad I'm not in NC, I would set up an appt with you. :)
@dieldelorung More foolishness. Yeah "prompt" is 5 hours apart. Guess the word means something different in your head but in reality 5 hours generally isn't considered prompt. Again I have no ego. I know what is going on. The ego is yours. Only a fool would try to continue a point when he knows nothing about a subject. If you could accept you own ignorance you might actual learn something. LOL it seems you don't even know what "violence" means either. Do you routinely make up definitions?
@dieldelorung Apache Scouts and Ninja have nothing to do with Snipers or SEALs. Live in you fantasy world but those who actually DO will continue to allow your dumbass to dream.FYI Ninjas are nothing like modern SpecOps if you really knew anything about ninjutsu (which I bet money I know WAY more than you) you would know that a modern example would be a HUMINT but you dumbass wouldn't know what that is without Google.
@Lordasia There is that anger problem again LOL Just because I mention tactics similar to that of Apache and Ninja, you jump aggressively as if I am saying they are definitely Apache and Ninja tactics...unconventional warefare is not unique to these two groups of people. It seems you are just looking to "win" this arguement that started as a debate. Your acronyms are only familiar to you for that very reason...that does not make you smarter. Just to appease your Ego...MIFWAKT WDTSFFace?
@dieldelorung You have one ego to think you are making someone angry with you nonsense. I didn't make any assumption what so every. That is all you. All your assumptions stem for ignorance and you can't accept that. I don't need to "win" anything because I know what I'm talking about. Simple fact that you don't know what Sniper, SEALs, etc actually do (and you probably don't know really what ninjas or Apaches did either) can't even say they are similar.
@Lordasia No assumptions...why then do you insist on making seem as though I am making myself out to be an expert. Again (I will speak v-e-r-y slowly), I merely stated their applications of methods in warfare are employed, regardless of what title they are taught under. The ideas and methodology is SIMILAR. I never stated ninja and the apache to be the same. Snipers and SEALS also do recon for other SpecOps...so Yes they are as you stated: HUMINT at times as well. Just keep feeding me LOL
@dieldelorung No you tried to speak as if you had some knowledge when I countered it you became insulting and then started to imply you knew things much better than I did dispite being clueless. Even though you don't know a thing about loadouts you still try to be an expert by saying, "You assume that everyone is heavily packed with gear. Sneaking up behind someone is possible on an old wooden floor with boots by the way." Which made it clear were full of shit.
@Lordasia cont. Then you said, "Many experts have analogized modern Ninjutsu to special combat units such as S.W.A.T., U.S. Navy SEALS, Black Ops, etc. due to the way they combine techniques used by the ancient Ninja with modern combat. Their CQC Methods are taken from Ninpo Taijutsu and other arts as well." You are completely wrong. Its was especially clear when you used BLACK OPS. Its clear you have no clue what goes on but kept trying to act like you had some idea instead of just listening.
Lastly you this part was gem, "Your acronyms are only familiar to you for that very reason...that does not make you smarter. " LOL Again showing you are upset for being ignorant. See knowing the acronym does make me smarter in this subject because you didn't know it. Still you are trying to come off like you have anything meaningful to say instead of just trying to learn you are trying to argue. If would be a debate if you had anything of substance to offer.
@LordDigz12 Um, having gone to my first dojo back when it was still called ninpo taijutsu I can say I've spent a hell of a lot more time over the last 18 years practicing jodan uchi deflection strikes and omote gyaku (as examples) then I have learning how to poison people. Getting away safe is the priority but it usually stems from hurting the bad guy badly enough he can't follow you.
@Cardan011 At least you dream big LOL Most Martial Lifestylists do not see or feel the need to prove to the world that their techniques work. For unknown reasons, Japan has labeled Ninjutsu as a "Pointless antique" as they approached a new era of international cooperationn after WW II. Im guessing they saw no need for their skills as they entered into a more business type warzone that employeed different methods...but similar tactics. However, they still continue to evolve even today.
HI master! what can i teach much, much beter this tehnick -kuji-kiri? i have 25 year practice yoshin-ryu ninjutsu,in Romania, ...soke Tanemura ,arrived and teach in my country ,but "don t like Tanemura ,,it s soo rigid ..sory for my whrite english...
Isn't anyone else kind of annoyed that narcissistic youtube-warriors keep turning up at these videos and manifesting their pseudo-historic bullshit in the form of these extensive flame threads that any real lover of martial arts couldn't give half a shit about? I wish people would stop pretending to be experts already and just shut up and train.
@4nj00 Amen to that, bro! It's so annoying and insulting that people who don't have a clue about the history of this incredible art just bash it blindly.
@ninpo4life "people who don't have a clue about the history of this incredible art just bash it blindly. " funny how you defend parts of it that arent in the history just as blindly...
its been several months, have you managed to find a historical source for ninjutsu being or including any martial arts, budo, or taijutsu?
@Arteanor And have you found any historical source for your own existence? Yet here you are. I'll bet your ancestors weren't hiding though. So what's the challenge?
Who cares where it comes from if it protects your life. If it was recently made up... that makes the top teachers even more amazing than if it were handed to them because it works.
Don't think so? Try fighting them and see. Make a video for us to watch though, ok?
@4nj00 i agree 100%, to those who don't (or rather can't) understand . . . that's why you don't understand. To those who fuel them with argument . . .you know what i'm refraining from saying and why!
so you agree with the guy that says " waaaagh, let the fakes teach to people, why wont you let me believe these lies??? i want to believe them, stop pestering me with facts that inspire cognitive dissonance."
how clever of you to make an entire comment without saying anything at all, typical of the person who cannot argue the point in question...
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
@seanmood Even Hatsumi said if you think you understand, then you really don't. And that can get you killed. If you think you don't understand, that's fine, keep training.
So without having any more drama in this video, could anyone tell me the title of the video this came from? The title appears to be what would belong in the tags box, rather than the title of a movie.
the title is entirely correct, and if you looked at the comments you would see that the "drama" is mostly people getting lippy when their teachers credentials are called into question.
granted having a quote from the BRD saying takamatsu made it up is pretty good. i dont think the bujinkan kids can beat that.
Eh...I was just saying there was no need for the drama, I agree that their reasoning for getting lippy is foolish.
I was only asking for the title of the video because the "bujinkan soke" part made it look like a tagging style title, as opposed to what would be the title on a video box, for example.
Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with Takamatsu making something up, I try to avoid foolish debates; my time is better spent learning than reading arguments on the internet. :P
I did not say we were arguing, I meant the other people. I also have no idea how you're getting all this from me just asking for the specific title of a video. So, having said that, you must be trolling and I am done. Thank you, bye.
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Fuck it, I picked for you, FED-EX BITCH!! Maybe if we nuke you canadian scum, you'll mutate into a smarter lifeform! We may have rednecks, but at least we're not CANADIAN!!!!!
@Arteanor im sorry my friend shinobi soldiers isnt all that truth as you would claim it too be..as far as ninjutsu goes those books arent the only knowledge on the subject anyone who has any prior knowledge of ninjutsu prior to the late 80s where most of the rumors stories and lies have ALREADY been put to rest. antony is only drumming it all back up for sales..those people who study any form of real ninjutsu knows EXACTLY what it is. whether or not its bujinkan/takamatsu. those who know, know
"shinobi soldiers isnt all that truth as you would claim it too be"
be specific. what are his errors?
"as far as ninjutsu goes those books arent the only knowledge on the subject anyone who has any prior knowledge of ninjutsu prior to the late 80s where most of the rumors stories and lies have ALREADY been put to rest."
not sure if you just forgot to finish the first sentence here....
you assert there is ninjutsu knowledge outside of the manuals... where is it?
@Arteanor im not pro takamatsu my friend would like to talk in private if you wish to messgae me this is my dojos screen name as promised i will start putting up stuff in coming months..all i can say is those who know it know those who dont dont..and yes alot of rumors on ninjutsu in a WHOLE were already put to rest as well as some real lineage and geneology charts im sure someone will post soon enuff on those..as well as things will change when english bansenshukai is out.the light will show.
Yeah! Him and his brother did the same thing to me. They feel they must educate everyone extremely thouroghly on the subject. A great way to make him shut up is to hand is ass to him in a private message. Oh and if either of you tards are reading this, (not you, blueshadow) BOOYAH!!!
its just no fun to continue to accost you once you PM me and admit you know nothing of the topic, and that you dont want to know of the topic, you just want to persist in your own ignorance... i get it, its cool.
gratz on acting like a creationist with a dogma that feels good.... the dogma of ignorance, booya urself red neck.
Redneck? YOU must be tripping out, scum, because I'm not even white. And I'm not a creationist, I'm an atheist, so a double boot to your ass. And just because I'm ignorant in the subject of ninjutsu, (which your brother said has been dead for 40 years, so why learn about it anyway) I've plenty of knowledge in plenty other, more useful topics. So,um, there's a third boot to you.
how clever of you to entirely miss the word LIKE in that sentence. stupid americans think redneck has something to do with anything other than stupid americans...
we may have to roll on down to the whitehouse and burn that fucker down again.... dont forget your history boy.
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Yes, but you guys don't have the balls to burn the Whitehouse down. Why? Because you know we'll nuke the FUCK outta you. Don't forget YOUR history, bitch. Do I have to deliver your ass to you on another platter, or would you like it fed-ex?
@Arteanor ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain.the art ensures safety in our society even in modern times.morons like Creation who have no clue about what the art is mock it. what is the matter? you cant fight your own battles so you get your brother to help you.your a sorry excuse for a human being.
of course its not a sport... i never said it was...
"the art" doesnt ensure shit in modern times, cuz the last dude that knew it died over 44 years ago...
if you think i have no clue what the art is, then quote for me ANY piece of HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that says that NINJUTSU IS OR CONTAINS BUDO.
you cant handle my argument so you attack the person? thats called argumentum ad hominem, you may wanna look up why this is about the worst tactic to use in an argument..
they were still soldiers... so they obviously needed to be able to fight... BUT there is NO historical evidence to suggest that ninjutsu in any way, contains or is a martial art.
of course ninja fought... but that doesnt mean that that fighting is suddenly a part of ninjutsu... which is all i said before..
shinobi learned martial arts just like any other soldier.
you clearly mistake my sharing of the facts as disbelief in the face of training...
i told you what was in the historical record,... if you really want to do anything other than agree with me you should do so by citing a historical document that counters what i said...
just show me some evidence for combat being a part of ninjutsu... shouldnt be so hard if im wrong right?
@Arteanor It's not hard. You are right and wrong at the same time. This isn't stuff that is history. The other stuff that is "historical ninjutsu" isn't exactly taught anymore. The fundamentals are more incorporated, the "historical" side is left for self discovery more or less.
uh... im entirely right, and not wrong at all.. correct me if you can.
of course "historical ninjutsu" isnt taught anymore, it was never taught to takamatsu, so how could he teach it?
the HISTORICAL side is the POINT of claiming a 34 generation lineage.
if you dont have that, FULL HISTORICAL TRANSMISSION, then you have admitted that the menkyo kaiden recieved ISNT a full transmission as its meaning indicates,
@Arteanor I think that a good ninja would have known that to be discovered in a mission would mean death, they would have known that no amount of martial arts training would save them from the wrath of a pursuing army.
just like todays army snipers rely on silence, stealth, and camoflouge to survive behind enemy lines. the snipers know that if they are discovered by the enemy only a miracle would keep them alive.
im not english... and you are an idiot if you think im going to be nice and polite to someone who repeatedly lies to me, demands evidence for everything i say, and produces NO evidence of his own...
im glad you picked up on my condescension tho, but i dont care that you feel the way you do... it is irelevant both to me, and to what i do.
the truth pisses people off.... i dont expect the truth to be popular, it just IS.
HAHAHA! Look at the canadian! It knows so much about ninjutsu, and so little about.... well anything, because he was bont in that frozen shithole called canada!!!!
You must be American. Just like most of them, who don;t live anywhere near Niagara Falls, you live under the misguided delusion, that all of Canada is frozen. Let me clue you in. We actually have, wait for it summer. It gets warm here. Wow. Bet you didn't know that. But judging by your ranting, I would have to guess you know very little else either.
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Yay, more comments from Canadians! Not really. Anyway, I know plenty, and to judge people from comments on youtube must mean YOU know very little. I spammed him so he would stop commenting me, and wouldn't you know it, I logged on today and his name wasn't in my inbox. I don't feel like spamming anyone else to make them stop commenting me, so I trust you won't make me do that to you. So I guess this ends our conversation, unless you want to comment back, in which I will spam and use caps lock.
Arguing on YouTube is like the Special Olympics, you might win but you're still a retard.
Seriously people, if you don't like the Bujinkan (or any other X-kan) the world does care or want to know. If you have nothing better to do but trash videos on YouTube you better get a hobby.
I can see why people are skeptics, but just because you think something about a martial art, or anything else for that matter, does not make your thoughts reality. Research, cite, prove. Follow those three.
Dr Karl Friday PhD history (japan) UoG and menkyo kaiden in Kashima Shinryu:
"Hatsumi's titles to most of the ryuha he claims to be soke for come from Takamatsu Toshitsugu, who in turn claimed to have inherited them from Toda Masamitsu. It's worth noting, in this context, that in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his "ninpo" ryuha and teachings from "ninja-gokko" ("childhood ninja games")..."
BTW: there still are doctors in psychology who follow Freud, even though his ideas have been discarded quite some while ago. And there even are physicians who believe in homeopathy. So... having a phD or working at a university does not make you the ultimate spreader of the ultimate truth.
if you hate bujinkan, and your not practising in it. then be happy you know skills you deem superior to bujinkan.
if you are in bujinkan and you hate it, then dont do it anymore.
martial arts is not about who is better. there is so much more to it.
if you believe you are training under whatever grandmaster you think you are and think he is the real deal. then you shouldnt need anybody elses oppinion. sure as hell Hatsumi sensei doesnt need reassurance
What's "amusing" is to see all those people, who go, and watch absolutely every video that deal with ninjutsu, just to post hateful comments and vent about how much better their art is.
Ninjutsu is a martial art, if you like it, practice it, if you don't, then go for something else, if you say that it sucks, well, good for you, we will be happy not to practice with you.
it doesnt matter if the hater thinks it works or not or if its crap, the point is when push comes to shove if they believe their art works then good for them. if it does work then thats great. people should treat all martial arts like the martial art of tai chi. its not about combat, but about personal development and perfection.
Yup, I'm not into competitions, because competitions bring rules, and rules don't exist in the street.
Also, ninjutsu is the art of adaptation, it's about the taijutsu(natural move), which is different for everyone, and which is the opposite of technics, the point of ninjutsu is to not show technics, and so, when looking at it, if you don't know the art, you will think that the person doesn't do much.
that's one of Masaaski's teachings. martial arts are for survival, not sport. that's why he doesn't allow his students to join competition. i mean...look at the techniques. they're desined to break bones, disable muscles and kill. ninjutsu is not a sport art.
I've been studying this art for four years (not in the bujinkan) and I will say that I don't think there is a lot of ninjutsu taught. There is some, but the system is mainly built on the samurai arts it encompasses. I don't consider myself a ninja, however I don't think one has to live in the popular time period of an art to be considered part of that group.
I did leave, 3 weeks ago. Looking at my master who's a 11th dan ninja, with a mind like he has and a physical ability like he has.. (I'm not going to say he's not impressive but) it just doesn't live up to my ideal.
When my own rolls are better than the top of the world, and my agility and strength and coordination.. Without receiving any kind of training then... Either I'm a genius or the best isn't that great.. So I'll just continue to teach myself.
no on ein the bujinkan is a "ninja" you're the exact opposite of a genius, you can't understand what's in fornt of you you don't know what ninjutsu is, soke is right, bad people weed themselves out.
the top shijan in japan never really prooved how good he is , maybe his very good.....maybe not
but you still believe a person must study in bujinkan to learn real ninjutsu.....
thats why you say there are no ninja in bujinkan (or the world) , you think you know much about ninjutsu philosophy but you dont know the most essential and elemental thing about ninjutsu
He only shows fights with people in his size, not taller than him. Something is wrong!
LordDrakull2 1 month ago
@LordDrakull2 He often calls up the biggest people in the room to demonstrate on. Just about any Taikai or Daikomyosai video will show this.
kumogakuredojo 1 month ago
BRAVO MAJSTRO VIVA
ERBITONE 2 months ago
I'm still tryin to figure out all these people who say ninjutsu ISN'T a martial art. Karate is a martial art, Judo is a martial art. Boxing YES BOXING, is a martial art. Why exactly is Ninjutsu not a martial art?
SeanteBrown 3 months ago
@SeanteBrown ninjutsu is an occupation my friend. within that occupation they learn many martial arts including samarai styles,battlefield martial arts things of that nature. look up the nine schools of bujinkan.itll tell you the 9 martial arts they studied.
leogets2006 2 months ago
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@leogets2006
"ninjutsu is an occupation my friend."
this isn't true. Shinobi no mono was an occupation, ninjutsu was the skills to do that job.
"within that occupation they learn many martial arts including samarai styles,battlefield martial arts things of that nature."
while nobody with any sense would argue that they didnt learn martial arts, those arts WERE NOT PART OF NINJUTSU
" look up the nine schools of bujinkan"
there is no connection between bujinkan and ninjutsu.
Arteanor 2 months ago
@SeanteBrown
is digging a hole a martial art??
is listening to conversations a martial art?
how about sneaking, hiding, memorizing hundreds of names faces and places????
these are all aspects of ninjutsu, martial arts is only an aspect of FAKE ninjutsu.
we see martial artists often trying to sell "ninjutsu", none of them have ever shown any connection to any form of ninjutsu....
they will TELL you they can, but when pressed, no evidence ever comes forward.... strange right?
Arteanor 2 months ago
@Arteanor point taken
SeanteBrown 1 month ago
Who is the Shihan doing the front somersault at 4:31?
LupoMannaro666 4 months ago
@LupoMannaro666 Looks like Nagato Sensei
shredchris 1 month ago
Whoah amazing
guitarhero200719 4 months ago in playlist More videos from llllCaRBoNllll
Does he sell training vids?
AdisaStrictlyBidness 6 months ago
☑ Weapon use in stretching exercise.
☑ Lame 'Asian' music.
☑ VHS tape.
Amazing 1980-90 genuine bullshido. Thank you for preserving this historic document on the intertubes.
newtubetubetube 7 months ago
@newtubetubetube
thanks to you
llllCaRBoNllll 7 months ago
notice how the ninja rolls to break the fall... like 2 full seconds after he lands -_-
jamnin94 8 months ago
lol 1;16 looks like its about to turn into a porn movie .
sewagedweller 9 months ago
damn 80 years old and the nigga`s still bustin jaws props to him. i want to be like him when im older
rtardx 9 months ago
Believe he used to be a doctor?
Regardless, there are many people who say that the bujinkan is a joke and what not. That's okay, but to those who trash the lessons, please go and challenge them, because the shit works well, and you'd lose.
Larechar 10 months ago
@exeller8007 - this was clearly made in the 80s/90s, at least over a decade ago. It's not "being made," it IS made.
A secret for you folks because you seem like such cheery fellows: Soke and the 4 top shihan record techniques incorrectly to mess with people.
You think they don't know the trash people say about them? They don't care haha.
And soke is prolly in the billions by now. Extremely extensive collections of super rare artifacts, a huge laughable organization, and I believe he used t
Larechar 10 months ago
the last roll sucked XD " he rolls to loosen the impact" , he fell and got the impact , then remember he had to roll , im a white belt at bujinkan and i love it , but damn ive seen better parkour falls-&-roll
pd: the other ones ive never felt they work that much , he always stops the katana midway
alexfheind 11 months ago
wot a load of crap!! i am 50yrs in martial arts including aikido trained with steven seagall in the last 25yrs, i cannot belive crap like this is being made...
exeller8007 1 year ago
@exeller8007
i can believe it is made... i just can't believe he can find SOOOO MANY IDIOTS that have so much money to throw away that they SPEND THOUSANDS BUYING IT FROM HIM!!!
getting high ranks in the bjk isn't about knowing the curriculum, perfecting your movements, or removing your predictability... it's simply a product of repeatedly shelling out teh chedda to hatsumi... the old codger must be a millionaire thricefold by now.
Arteanor 10 months ago
@exeller8007
I suggest you shut up and go practise the art of falling. Aikido what a joke its just a ripped off form of daito ryu
The reason why you say its crap is because your jealous that your aikido teacher fat seagal couldn't do what these guys do.. So go comment on an aikido vid you worthless pile of monkey crap.
MrDontstareitsrude 10 months ago
@MrDontstareitsrude yes a typical non contender in the world of martial arts good with words but not in the arts, i pity you and feel sorry for you, obviously a want to be!, there is a real world i suggest you get in it little person (i say little person as the words are femenine and childish!) and play on your xbox a little more, i have forgot more than you will ever be able to learn as a small mind like yours is so incapable of any reality, please reply and make me laugh even more hahahaha...
exeller8007 10 months ago
@exeller8007 first of all i don't have an xbox so if you really did know me then you wouldn't of put it. So I guess your the one who has little to do.
Further more Ninpo is older than aikido so you shouldn't disrepect something you know nothing of.
so you gonna cry now aww poor baby go run along to momma or if you want to challange me then so be it I can settle for a fight in the real world do you accept?? Oh and a fight to the death and I am double serious.
MrDontstareitsrude 10 months ago
@MrDontstareitsrude you are a pitty to society!, lol if you read properly the firs comment aikido is one art i have studied! silly little boy hahaha, ju jitsu is the art instilled in me ( the old world SAMURAI ) oh thats why u feel the need to fight to the death!, underling i fought gypsies, pykies, bad boys from towns and country`s, also gang hard men lol you would be of no interest at all, i dont fight to the death just to stop, your little empty words are beneath me, go play with girls...
exeller8007 10 months ago
@MrDontstareitsrude kill death murder listen to yourself little boy!, does your boyfriend know you are talking to other men? think not, oh by the way ju jitsu is over 2000yrs old lol ;), and you watch the movies too much go straighten youself up and get laid by a woman (if she has a dildo big enough for you!) and stop throwing punches and kicks in the mirror before some one takes you serius and hurts you to an embarassing state lol, people like you i ignore as you are all gonna be`s zzzzzzzzz.
exeller8007 10 months ago
@MrDontstareitsrude
so much wrong with this, but i will try.
"Further more Ninpo is older than aikido so you shouldn't disrepect something you know nothing of."
FIRST: this is a LIE! there is no evidence that you have any koryu skills older than aikijutsu used in aikido.
SECOND: Ninjutsu isnt martial art.
THIRD: you DO know of the arts of the bujinkan having NO CONNECTION to ninjutsu, because I have already told you.
Arteanor 7 months ago
@Arteanor WHAT!!!!
is this all you can do is bitch about stuff on here AIKIDO is a load of rubbish
A person doing DAITO RYU would destroy any AIKIDO practitioner
anything else you want to say dumbass.
Are you fat? you sure type like you are.
:-) BTW your whole family are a bunch of losers hahahahahaha go cry to mommy you poor thing. When you came out of your mum was it from her ass cus your full of shit. ;-)
MrDontstareitsrude 7 months ago
i love this video wheres the rest of it?? i wanna learn more!
john1120 1 year ago
well i have to read all the comment of this great video :D
have fan with your training
llllCaRBoNllll 1 year ago
what is the name of that song???
TheFitnessShinobi 1 year ago
@TheFitnessShinobi
ask hatsumi sensai :D
llllCaRBoNllll 1 year ago
@llllCaRBoNllll how do I ask him?
TheFitnessShinobi 1 year ago
What is the music playing around 1:00 onwards?
Vokeles 1 year ago
@Vokeles what ever it is I like it. good for ninja workouts
TheFitnessShinobi 1 year ago
Rolling is very useful when applied to many other tasks. And for some reason, the video won't play past 4:18 for me.
DinoSwede 1 year ago
Rolling save me from a lot of broken bones!
CBoavida 1 year ago
all this is major bs, any somewhat competent MMA fighter could school theese clowns
Cardan011 1 year ago
@Cardan011 you dont understand what these guys train to do. Its not a stand up fight like MMA, its sneaking in a house while someone is asleep and poisoning their food or slitting their throat. Its made to avoid stand up fights. Avoiding a fight is the #1 priority.
LordDigz12 1 year ago
@LordDigz12 ummmm so what they are having a school where they train people how to do breaking and entering or murder? lol Let one of this clowns try to enter my house and poison my food...ninja or not he cant dodge shotgun blast...comon people u been fed all this crap ninja movies over the years is it really possible that people are stilll sold on this crap. You want to be real ninja join armed forces and become SF soldier. Theese are nothing more dif then those Larp weirdos
Cardan011 1 year ago
@Cardan011 Obviously you dont know very much, do you. Ninjutsu is the origination of modern training recieved in most special forces and special forces close combat training.
MatteV2 1 year ago
@MatteV2 How do you figure that? Modern training in specops is a pretty direct lineage back to the units used in WW2. SEALs, Special Forces, SAS, Spetznaz, etc were in use long before Soke started teaching this stuff to outsiders. There are some universal principals but having trained with some SEAL and Marine Recon friends, their taijutsu isn't much at all like mine. Maybe some similarities to Kukishinden ryu but that's about it.
ninjrk 1 year ago
@ninjrk Then i will have to retake that statement. I did know that there were similarities between SF Hand-to-hand training and certain martial arts, and i thought i had heard from somewhere that Taijutsu was one of them. Apparently i was wrong.
MatteV2 1 year ago
@MatteV2 This does not entirely rule out the use of Ninpo Taijutsu techniques applied in special forces Close Quarter Combat training...along with others: Muay Thai, Escrima, and Jiu Jitsu. The last ones are taken from what Frank Cucci states as a former CQC Instructor for the SEAL teams. To note: Taijutsu is not unique to just Ninjutsu, but to all of Japan. Similar to how Kung Fu is to China.
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@ninjrk thank you for clarifying that to the all knowing MatteV2
Cardan011 1 year ago
@MatteV2 only similarity of term ninja and today special forces is that "historic" ninjas were special forces of its day. And Matte V2 your comment only shows that you do not have even slightest clue about what you are talking about. So instead of talking out of your ass and beliving crap you watch from Hatsumi's videos do some research about the subject, also do some research about SF training. There were special forces in Europe when no one had any idea what the fuck ninja is: SAS (WW2) etc
Cardan011 1 year ago
@Cardan011 The SF of today often recieve training similair to that of Martial arts. A long list of them are included in the hand-to-hand combat training that SF recieves. Now i admit that i dont know exactly wich ones, but i thought i heard somewhere that Ninjutsu was one of them. For sure i know that at least the Spetznas recieves training in Aikido, and if i remember correctly Judo as well.
MatteV2 1 year ago
@MatteV2
" but i thought i heard somewhere that Ninjutsu was one of them."
definitely not.
no agency in the world employs it universally. also worth noting, nothing in this video is actually ninjutsu.. its not a martial art,
it seems you should take what cardan said to heart, doing a little history on a school is usually good BEFORE teh conversation....
or watch the TSOAS2008's vids/
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@MatteV2 The SPETZNAZ train in CAMBO. The US Special Forces train in Modern Army Combatives Program which is a mix of Brazilian JJ, Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai, Kali and others. They nor anyone else does ninjutsu.
Lordasia 1 year ago
@Lordasia I assume you forget that the stealth walking (Shinobi Aruki) of Ninjutsu and/or the Apache Scout Stalking Tactics are very useful for applications where noise of movement is the enemy as well. For instants, a Navy SEAL Fireteam member needs to quietly and quickly eliminate a guard or sentry. I do see your point however...You would think that the Japanese would have their own special forces which fully emply Ninjutsu, similar to Navy SEALS. These are merely demonstrations ppl
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung There is no such thing as stealth walking in modern warfare. Gear and footwear alone makes it impossible. Stealth is achieved many ways and the most common is using a diversion to mask your movements. You will not find any ninja stealth walking training here at Fort Bragg.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia I like how you speak for ALL branches of military around the world. Since Fort Bragg does not employ such tactics means that it must not be taught anywhere else around the world. since when was a member of Fort Bragg involved in international Intelligence Gathering? You assume that everyone is heavily packed with gear. Sneaking up behind someone is possible on an old wooden floor with boots by the way.
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung Are you or have you ever been in the military? Have you ever been apart in any Special Operations team. How many operations have you been on? How many multinational teams have you worked with? A LOT of members of Fort Bragg are involved in Intelligence gathering. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Lastly, you can sneak up on someone who is distracted but you are NOT going to sneak up on anyone alert with boots on a wooden floor.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia Many experts have analogized modern Ninjutsu to special combat units such as S.W.A.T., U.S. Navy SEALS, Black Ops, etc. due to the way they combine techniques used by the ancient Ninja with modern combat. Their CQC Methods are taken from Ninpo Taijutsu and other arts as well....But I'm sure you already knew that, with you being so adept at Intelligence Gathering and all...Do I need to join the military in order to talk about it? WE do not have to kiss your @__es...thats an elective.
dieldelorung 10 months ago
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Lordasia 10 months ago
@dieldelorung One of my posts is missing now. Anyways you are full of shit. SEALs do not do any CQC based off of ninpo taijutsu unless you can produce an offical POI on it you need to STFU. Fact of the matter is they do a lot of JKD and MMA. Next time try to actually know what you are talking about before responding. When you don'tmyou just look like an ass, like now. If you don't have any military experience in this area don' t try telling those who do what they do and do not train.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@dieldelorung really whats the point talking to someone who is completely ingnorant about the subject? I noticed that most of people who are sold on Hatsumi's atnics are like cult followers brain washed....as several people already tried to explain it to you...and by reading their posts they actually know what they are talking about...
Cardan011 10 months ago
@Cardan011 Ignorant...Im pretty sure I spent more time learning the history of Ninjutsu more than yourself, as well as the Shaolin Temples and their kung fu. "Sold" on cult-like teachings...you must be talking about the Mikkyo Philosophy that is involved and integrated into the very essence of Ninjutsu. I question EVERYTHING from anyone and analyze it for myslef before exepting it as truth or valid. Ninja are no different than the Essenes of the ancient Hebrew...except they had to fight 2 liv
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung Also point out where I spoke for ALL the military around the world. I didn't you only said that because you are butthurt. You mentioned SEALs. are talking out your ass. The reason I can say that is because SEALs, along with many other SO soldier, train here at Bragg.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia I'd rather wait for a war that actually is based on OUR freedom being at stake. You shouldn't talk about what you and your barracks buddies do...I didn't ask. Isn't that the policy? Im sure you are aware that Stephen K. Hayes Stephen K. Hayes has demonstrated self-protection skills to military and law-enforcement groups including the U.S. Air Force Academy, the FBI Academy, the American Society for Law Enforcement Training, and members of Britain's elite SAS. Yet he is Ninja
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung As expected you don't know jack but tried to type as an expert. Typical. First off I didn't mentioned anything I do I asked YOU questions that I already knew the answers too. So it seems your reading comprehension if flawed. I also know Mr Hayes very well. He doesn't teach anything like stealth walking to the military. Matter of fact one of his students and a dear friend of mine, also a former SpecOps soldier, just published a book on battlefield tactics. Guess what isn't in there?
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia Struck a nerve did I...just try not to go ballistic (pun intended) like some of your fellow brothers of the tags have. So much anger and so quick to unleash it...typical. ABC, 123...I know the alphabet too. I never actually stated as if fact that they used those particular tactics, I merely suggested their application. My guess, black Ops is used to describe CIA & NSA agents on missions or something (not my words). Do you happen to know Santa Clause, Jesus and Krishna as well...
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung What makes you think you stroke a nerve? I'm not the one talking out my ass on stuff I know nothing about. That is you. I think you you're mistaking anger for someone laughing at you. You tried to sound authoritative and you did state somethings as fact in which you were wrong. Then you got butthurt. Now you are back backpedaling. So far you only proved your ignorance. BTW your guess is wrong as well. Trying passive aggressive doesn't change that.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia Check the very first reply I made to your comment and you will see no "I know for a fact" statement made by me about the use of ninjutsu in modern military. Im not the one constantly trying to insult (which you started by the way), which signifies you are the one who needs a distraction (backpeddling). Snipers use concealment and slow movement tactics similar to that of Apache Scouts and Ninja. SEALS operate much like ninja did of old...the spirit of ninjutsu lives on...Peace!
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung Whatever idiot. My reply was to someone else because unlike you I can speak from authority on the subject. YOU tried to act like an expert saying, "I assume you forget" like you knew how things operate. I was even nice in my first reply to you even though I knew you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about but you got all buthurt and YOU started the insults. I pointed out facts you talked out your add PERIOD. You don't know shit about Snipers, SEALs, or any one else.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia Judging by your very prompt responses you seem to have nothing but this debate going on in your life...surprising considering you're military. It is apparent that you will never see what exactly I am saying due to your anger and ego blinding fogging your judgement (can't say its better given what I've seen so far). I am merely explaining while you are trying to impose your will upon me...that is an act of violence. Too bad I'm not in NC, I would set up an appt with you. :)
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung More foolishness. Yeah "prompt" is 5 hours apart. Guess the word means something different in your head but in reality 5 hours generally isn't considered prompt. Again I have no ego. I know what is going on. The ego is yours. Only a fool would try to continue a point when he knows nothing about a subject. If you could accept you own ignorance you might actual learn something. LOL it seems you don't even know what "violence" means either. Do you routinely make up definitions?
Lordasia 10 months ago
@dieldelorung Apache Scouts and Ninja have nothing to do with Snipers or SEALs. Live in you fantasy world but those who actually DO will continue to allow your dumbass to dream.FYI Ninjas are nothing like modern SpecOps if you really knew anything about ninjutsu (which I bet money I know WAY more than you) you would know that a modern example would be a HUMINT but you dumbass wouldn't know what that is without Google.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia There is that anger problem again LOL Just because I mention tactics similar to that of Apache and Ninja, you jump aggressively as if I am saying they are definitely Apache and Ninja tactics...unconventional warefare is not unique to these two groups of people. It seems you are just looking to "win" this arguement that started as a debate. Your acronyms are only familiar to you for that very reason...that does not make you smarter. Just to appease your Ego...MIFWAKT WDTSFFace?
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung You have one ego to think you are making someone angry with you nonsense. I didn't make any assumption what so every. That is all you. All your assumptions stem for ignorance and you can't accept that. I don't need to "win" anything because I know what I'm talking about. Simple fact that you don't know what Sniper, SEALs, etc actually do (and you probably don't know really what ninjas or Apaches did either) can't even say they are similar.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia No assumptions...why then do you insist on making seem as though I am making myself out to be an expert. Again (I will speak v-e-r-y slowly), I merely stated their applications of methods in warfare are employed, regardless of what title they are taught under. The ideas and methodology is SIMILAR. I never stated ninja and the apache to be the same. Snipers and SEALS also do recon for other SpecOps...so Yes they are as you stated: HUMINT at times as well. Just keep feeding me LOL
dieldelorung 10 months ago
@dieldelorung No you tried to speak as if you had some knowledge when I countered it you became insulting and then started to imply you knew things much better than I did dispite being clueless. Even though you don't know a thing about loadouts you still try to be an expert by saying, "You assume that everyone is heavily packed with gear. Sneaking up behind someone is possible on an old wooden floor with boots by the way." Which made it clear were full of shit.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@Lordasia cont. Then you said, "Many experts have analogized modern Ninjutsu to special combat units such as S.W.A.T., U.S. Navy SEALS, Black Ops, etc. due to the way they combine techniques used by the ancient Ninja with modern combat. Their CQC Methods are taken from Ninpo Taijutsu and other arts as well." You are completely wrong. Its was especially clear when you used BLACK OPS. Its clear you have no clue what goes on but kept trying to act like you had some idea instead of just listening.
Lordasia 10 months ago
Lastly you this part was gem, "Your acronyms are only familiar to you for that very reason...that does not make you smarter. " LOL Again showing you are upset for being ignorant. See knowing the acronym does make me smarter in this subject because you didn't know it. Still you are trying to come off like you have anything meaningful to say instead of just trying to learn you are trying to argue. If would be a debate if you had anything of substance to offer.
Lordasia 10 months ago
@LordDigz12 Um, having gone to my first dojo back when it was still called ninpo taijutsu I can say I've spent a hell of a lot more time over the last 18 years practicing jodan uchi deflection strikes and omote gyaku (as examples) then I have learning how to poison people. Getting away safe is the priority but it usually stems from hurting the bad guy badly enough he can't follow you.
ninjrk 1 year ago
@Cardan011 At least you dream big LOL Most Martial Lifestylists do not see or feel the need to prove to the world that their techniques work. For unknown reasons, Japan has labeled Ninjutsu as a "Pointless antique" as they approached a new era of international cooperationn after WW II. Im guessing they saw no need for their skills as they entered into a more business type warzone that employeed different methods...but similar tactics. However, they still continue to evolve even today.
dieldelorung 10 months ago
HI master! what can i teach much, much beter this tehnick -kuji-kiri? i have 25 year practice yoshin-ryu ninjutsu,in Romania, ...soke Tanemura ,arrived and teach in my country ,but "don t like Tanemura ,,it s soo rigid ..sory for my whrite english...
miticanin 1 year ago
pinches tecnicas tan mas feas y jodidas, no sirven en la calle, diganle a hatsumi que ya deje de engañar a la gente
soytupadre777 1 year ago
Great stuff!!! Thank you so much for sharing this, I've never seen this, lots of great training tips hidden in the footage.
JoePerezFilmDirector 1 year ago
*sigh*
Isn't anyone else kind of annoyed that narcissistic youtube-warriors keep turning up at these videos and manifesting their pseudo-historic bullshit in the form of these extensive flame threads that any real lover of martial arts couldn't give half a shit about? I wish people would stop pretending to be experts already and just shut up and train.
4nj00 1 year ago
@4nj00 Amen to that, bro! It's so annoying and insulting that people who don't have a clue about the history of this incredible art just bash it blindly.
ninpo4life 1 year ago
@ninpo4life "people who don't have a clue about the history of this incredible art just bash it blindly. " funny how you defend parts of it that arent in the history just as blindly...
its been several months, have you managed to find a historical source for ninjutsu being or including any martial arts, budo, or taijutsu?
right i didnt think so....
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor And have you found any historical source for your own existence? Yet here you are. I'll bet your ancestors weren't hiding though. So what's the challenge?
Who cares where it comes from if it protects your life. If it was recently made up... that makes the top teachers even more amazing than if it were handed to them because it works.
Don't think so? Try fighting them and see. Make a video for us to watch though, ok?
chebernook 1 year ago
@chebernook
"And have you found any historical source for your own existence"
you fudged your question, evidence for my existence would hardly be historical.
but does that mean i should claim that i have a birth certificate from the edo period??
"So what's the challenge?"
to provide any evidence of ninjutsu being or including martial arts BEFORE takamatsu came up with it.
"that makes the top teachers even more amazing" and liars, do you really want to be taught lies as truth by your sensei?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@4nj00 i agree 100%, to those who don't (or rather can't) understand . . . that's why you don't understand. To those who fuel them with argument . . .you know what i'm refraining from saying and why!
... great clip ^___^
seanmood 1 year ago
@seanmood
so you agree with the guy that says " waaaagh, let the fakes teach to people, why wont you let me believe these lies??? i want to believe them, stop pestering me with facts that inspire cognitive dissonance."
how clever of you to make an entire comment without saying anything at all, typical of the person who cannot argue the point in question...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
way to say the same thing everybody else says in all these posts, you just don't understand key concepts. You have faith in nothing.
Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you.
If you merely seek to argue, by all means, continue on.
You don't believe in spirit. Therefore, all the factors which involve it seem to have holes
But saying this, in an effort to help, will only tickle your insecurity bone, what a shame
Good luck to you anyway
PublicDisturbanceNJ 1 year ago
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@PublicDisturbanceNJ
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
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@PublicDisturbanceNJ
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
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@PublicDisturbanceNJ
"you just don't understand key concepts." concepts do not change history.
"You have faith in nothing." your damn fucking straight, cuz people who believe things without evidence are MORONS.
"Therefore nothing will ever supply sufficient evidence for you."
strawman much? how about you stick to the argument i actually made... all i want is any mention of ninjutsu being or including a martial art in ANY historical text predating takamatsu toshitsugu, is that a problem?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@seanmood Even Hatsumi said if you think you understand, then you really don't. And that can get you killed. If you think you don't understand, that's fine, keep training.
3rdeye7thdimension 1 year ago 9
i'd like to see creationsofmyown with a comment to this video
j054uaj054ua 1 year ago
@j054uaj054ua
ask and ye shall recieve.
arteanor has this right... same sources as me....
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
its easy to make a defense look good when the attack is shit
stavrisavvas 1 year ago
So without having any more drama in this video, could anyone tell me the title of the video this came from? The title appears to be what would belong in the tags box, rather than the title of a movie.
blueshadow1337 2 years ago
the title is entirely correct, and if you looked at the comments you would see that the "drama" is mostly people getting lippy when their teachers credentials are called into question.
granted having a quote from the BRD saying takamatsu made it up is pretty good. i dont think the bujinkan kids can beat that.
Arteanor 2 years ago 2
Eh...I was just saying there was no need for the drama, I agree that their reasoning for getting lippy is foolish.
I was only asking for the title of the video because the "bujinkan soke" part made it look like a tagging style title, as opposed to what would be the title on a video box, for example.
Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with Takamatsu making something up, I try to avoid foolish debates; my time is better spent learning than reading arguments on the internet. :P
blueshadow1337 2 years ago
we are not arguing, he simply stated a source you could learn from. i suggest you look at the Shinobi Soldiers series here on youtube.
and if your interested in the bujinkans history :
sustainedreaction. yuku. com/topic/5540
Arteanor 2 years ago
I did not say we were arguing, I meant the other people. I also have no idea how you're getting all this from me just asking for the specific title of a video. So, having said that, you must be trolling and I am done. Thank you, bye.
blueshadow1337 2 years ago
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Fuck it, I picked for you, FED-EX BITCH!! Maybe if we nuke you canadian scum, you'll mutate into a smarter lifeform! We may have rednecks, but at least we're not CANADIAN!!!!!
theedwardashford 2 years ago
Well that is a blessing. If we had too many people like you who were Canadian, we would have to live down to your reputation.
owenspence 1 year ago 10
@Arteanor im sorry my friend shinobi soldiers isnt all that truth as you would claim it too be..as far as ninjutsu goes those books arent the only knowledge on the subject anyone who has any prior knowledge of ninjutsu prior to the late 80s where most of the rumors stories and lies have ALREADY been put to rest. antony is only drumming it all back up for sales..those people who study any form of real ninjutsu knows EXACTLY what it is. whether or not its bujinkan/takamatsu. those who know, know
TheElectricdoom 6 months ago
@TheElectricdoom
"shinobi soldiers isnt all that truth as you would claim it too be"
be specific. what are his errors?
"as far as ninjutsu goes those books arent the only knowledge on the subject anyone who has any prior knowledge of ninjutsu prior to the late 80s where most of the rumors stories and lies have ALREADY been put to rest."
not sure if you just forgot to finish the first sentence here....
you assert there is ninjutsu knowledge outside of the manuals... where is it?
Arteanor 6 months ago
@TheElectricdoom
"anyone who has any prior knowledge of ninjutsu prior to the late 80s where most of the rumors stories and lies have ALREADY been put to rest"
so then the densho were submitted for authentication?
its easy to CLAIM things were put to rest... or that they are just rumors and lies....
the FACTS are, that takamatsu never mentioned any of this crap about togakure or other ninja ryu until AFTER he was denied a branch by kuki.
so he CHANGED the ryu of the taijutsu to togakure.
Arteanor 6 months ago
@Arteanor im not pro takamatsu my friend would like to talk in private if you wish to messgae me this is my dojos screen name as promised i will start putting up stuff in coming months..all i can say is those who know it know those who dont dont..and yes alot of rumors on ninjutsu in a WHOLE were already put to rest as well as some real lineage and geneology charts im sure someone will post soon enuff on those..as well as things will change when english bansenshukai is out.the light will show.
KinzokuOni 6 months ago
Yeah! Him and his brother did the same thing to me. They feel they must educate everyone extremely thouroghly on the subject. A great way to make him shut up is to hand is ass to him in a private message. Oh and if either of you tards are reading this, (not you, blueshadow) BOOYAH!!!
theedwardashford 2 years ago
make me shut up?
you MUST be tripping out...
its just no fun to continue to accost you once you PM me and admit you know nothing of the topic, and that you dont want to know of the topic, you just want to persist in your own ignorance... i get it, its cool.
gratz on acting like a creationist with a dogma that feels good.... the dogma of ignorance, booya urself red neck.
Arteanor 2 years ago
Redneck? YOU must be tripping out, scum, because I'm not even white. And I'm not a creationist, I'm an atheist, so a double boot to your ass. And just because I'm ignorant in the subject of ninjutsu, (which your brother said has been dead for 40 years, so why learn about it anyway) I've plenty of knowledge in plenty other, more useful topics. So,um, there's a third boot to you.
theedwardashford 2 years ago
how clever of you to entirely miss the word LIKE in that sentence. stupid americans think redneck has something to do with anything other than stupid americans...
we may have to roll on down to the whitehouse and burn that fucker down again.... dont forget your history boy.
Arteanor 2 years ago 6
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Yes, but you guys don't have the balls to burn the Whitehouse down. Why? Because you know we'll nuke the FUCK outta you. Don't forget YOUR history, bitch. Do I have to deliver your ass to you on another platter, or would you like it fed-ex?
theedwardashford 2 years ago
@Arteanor ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain.the art ensures safety in our society even in modern times.morons like Creation who have no clue about what the art is mock it. what is the matter? you cant fight your own battles so you get your brother to help you.your a sorry excuse for a human being.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
@fardisghomeshi
of course its not a sport... i never said it was...
"the art" doesnt ensure shit in modern times, cuz the last dude that knew it died over 44 years ago...
if you think i have no clue what the art is, then quote for me ANY piece of HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that says that NINJUTSU IS OR CONTAINS BUDO.
you cant handle my argument so you attack the person? thats called argumentum ad hominem, you may wanna look up why this is about the worst tactic to use in an argument..
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor ...so Ninja would not need to know any combat skill?
j054uaj054ua 1 year ago
@j054uaj054ua
i never said anything of the sort...
they were still soldiers... so they obviously needed to be able to fight... BUT there is NO historical evidence to suggest that ninjutsu in any way, contains or is a martial art.
of course ninja fought... but that doesnt mean that that fighting is suddenly a part of ninjutsu... which is all i said before..
shinobi learned martial arts just like any other soldier.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor You couldn't believe that there may be a difference in tactics taught to you as you moved beyond your regular teachings?
j054uaj054ua 1 year ago
@j054uaj054ua
you assume much...
you clearly mistake my sharing of the facts as disbelief in the face of training...
i told you what was in the historical record,... if you really want to do anything other than agree with me you should do so by citing a historical document that counters what i said...
just show me some evidence for combat being a part of ninjutsu... shouldnt be so hard if im wrong right?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor It's not hard. You are right and wrong at the same time. This isn't stuff that is history. The other stuff that is "historical ninjutsu" isn't exactly taught anymore. The fundamentals are more incorporated, the "historical" side is left for self discovery more or less.
j054uaj054ua 1 year ago
@j054uaj054ua
uh... im entirely right, and not wrong at all.. correct me if you can.
of course "historical ninjutsu" isnt taught anymore, it was never taught to takamatsu, so how could he teach it?
the HISTORICAL side is the POINT of claiming a 34 generation lineage.
if you dont have that, FULL HISTORICAL TRANSMISSION, then you have admitted that the menkyo kaiden recieved ISNT a full transmission as its meaning indicates,
you just won my argument for me again.
still no evidence?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor I think that a good ninja would have known that to be discovered in a mission would mean death, they would have known that no amount of martial arts training would save them from the wrath of a pursuing army.
just like todays army snipers rely on silence, stealth, and camoflouge to survive behind enemy lines. the snipers know that if they are discovered by the enemy only a miracle would keep them alive.
alanfigueroa123 1 year ago
@Arteanor honestly "boy" as if you are supirior is highly offensive.
robrobinz23 1 year ago
@robrobinz23
i AM superior to him, and i dont really care about offending someone who lies to my face...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor no you are not that must be in english blood to feel superior to everyone.
robrobinz23 1 year ago
@robrobinz23
im not english... and you are an idiot if you think im going to be nice and polite to someone who repeatedly lies to me, demands evidence for everything i say, and produces NO evidence of his own...
im glad you picked up on my condescension tho, but i dont care that you feel the way you do... it is irelevant both to me, and to what i do.
the truth pisses people off.... i dont expect the truth to be popular, it just IS.
Arteanor 1 year ago
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I thought it was no fun? So why haven't you shut that mouth biotch?
theedwardashford 2 years ago
Choose to persist instead of fall silent if you choose, but I will continue my assault untill your name no longer continues to appear in my inbox.
theedwardashford 2 years ago
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HAHAHA! Look at the canadian! It knows so much about ninjutsu, and so little about.... well anything, because he was bont in that frozen shithole called canada!!!!
theedwardashford 2 years ago
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You must be American. Just like most of them, who don;t live anywhere near Niagara Falls, you live under the misguided delusion, that all of Canada is frozen. Let me clue you in. We actually have, wait for it summer. It gets warm here. Wow. Bet you didn't know that. But judging by your ranting, I would have to guess you know very little else either.
owenspence 1 year ago 12
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Yay, more comments from Canadians! Not really. Anyway, I know plenty, and to judge people from comments on youtube must mean YOU know very little. I spammed him so he would stop commenting me, and wouldn't you know it, I logged on today and his name wasn't in my inbox. I don't feel like spamming anyone else to make them stop commenting me, so I trust you won't make me do that to you. So I guess this ends our conversation, unless you want to comment back, in which I will spam and use caps lock.
theedwardashford 1 year ago
@owenspence ouch that stings a little.
hellerZauberer 1 year ago
Don't worry, the pain will wear off and you will heal.
owenspence 1 year ago
@owenspence I sure hope so. lol.
hellerZauberer 1 year ago
@owenspence You made my day.
psyckho666 1 year ago
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Then I guess you are welcome, Who are you and to what are you responding?
owenspence 1 year ago
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What's that smell?
It smells like shit!
Nope, its just canada.
theedwardashford 2 years ago
Wow talk about incentive!
WaiteDavid137 2 years ago
Arguing on YouTube is like the Special Olympics, you might win but you're still a retard.
Seriously people, if you don't like the Bujinkan (or any other X-kan) the world does care or want to know. If you have nothing better to do but trash videos on YouTube you better get a hobby.
I can see why people are skeptics, but just because you think something about a martial art, or anything else for that matter, does not make your thoughts reality. Research, cite, prove. Follow those three.
IGARDE9123 2 years ago
Dr Karl Friday PhD history (japan) UoG and menkyo kaiden in Kashima Shinryu:
"Hatsumi's titles to most of the ryuha he claims to be soke for come from Takamatsu Toshitsugu, who in turn claimed to have inherited them from Toda Masamitsu. It's worth noting, in this context, that in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his "ninpo" ryuha and teachings from "ninja-gokko" ("childhood ninja games")..."
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
@Creationsofmyown
So? Friday has been wrong on more than just one single thing.
kenninast 2 years ago
so you are saying that the university of georgia messed up reading a book??
thats awfully dim... i doubt it would be the case...
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Oh... as a point to think about Friday:
He claims that the Bujinkan lineage isn't verifyable as there are no records of the earliest grandmasters. That might be partially true.
But on the other hand he does NOT doubt his own lineage that started by someone receiving the techniques from the tengu...
So much for relevance in his "expertise".
Besides... it's not because mr. Friday works for Georgia university, yet he makes some huge mistakes, that Georgia university makes those mistakes.
kenninast 2 years ago
BTW: there still are doctors in psychology who follow Freud, even though his ideas have been discarded quite some while ago. And there even are physicians who believe in homeopathy. So... having a phD or working at a university does not make you the ultimate spreader of the ultimate truth.
kenninast 2 years ago
Wonder why he still put Mr Hatsumi in the Bugei ryuha Daijiten?
Doesn't seem logical, but he is listed in my copy.
Peekingduck 2 years ago
i always see haters on bujinkan videos.
if you hate bujinkan, and your not practising in it. then be happy you know skills you deem superior to bujinkan.
if you are in bujinkan and you hate it, then dont do it anymore.
martial arts is not about who is better. there is so much more to it.
if you believe you are training under whatever grandmaster you think you are and think he is the real deal. then you shouldnt need anybody elses oppinion. sure as hell Hatsumi sensei doesnt need reassurance
cambridget 2 years ago 2
What's "amusing" is to see all those people, who go, and watch absolutely every video that deal with ninjutsu, just to post hateful comments and vent about how much better their art is.
Ninjutsu is a martial art, if you like it, practice it, if you don't, then go for something else, if you say that it sucks, well, good for you, we will be happy not to practice with you.
Nordrian 2 years ago 4
yeah my point exactly. it seems, trivial.
it doesnt matter if the hater thinks it works or not or if its crap, the point is when push comes to shove if they believe their art works then good for them. if it does work then thats great. people should treat all martial arts like the martial art of tai chi. its not about combat, but about personal development and perfection.
thats just what i think anyway. *shrugs*
cambridget 2 years ago
Yup, I'm not into competitions, because competitions bring rules, and rules don't exist in the street.
Also, ninjutsu is the art of adaptation, it's about the taijutsu(natural move), which is different for everyone, and which is the opposite of technics, the point of ninjutsu is to not show technics, and so, when looking at it, if you don't know the art, you will think that the person doesn't do much.
Nordrian 2 years ago 4
that's one of Masaaski's teachings. martial arts are for survival, not sport. that's why he doesn't allow his students to join competition. i mean...look at the techniques. they're desined to break bones, disable muscles and kill. ninjutsu is not a sport art.
cardiacthapoet 2 years ago
JUNAN TAISO HURTS!!! we do it all the time. lol but its good for flexibility, agility & promotes good circulation in the bloodstream..
ninpobuyubushi 2 years ago
thats kinda hot 1:10
geniusxkiller 2 years ago
I've been studying this art for four years (not in the bujinkan) and I will say that I don't think there is a lot of ninjutsu taught. There is some, but the system is mainly built on the samurai arts it encompasses. I don't consider myself a ninja, however I don't think one has to live in the popular time period of an art to be considered part of that group.
BigP103 2 years ago
This is awesome! Thank you for posting!
jereferg 2 years ago
ouch... this video is horrible... and these are the top ninjutsu masters of the world.. I feel betrayed.
fr33za33 2 years ago
i love how dragonball z nerds act like they know real martial arts
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
if that was directed at me, I trained in bujinkan for like 3 years (to show I'm not some random hater).
I like how 'real martial artists' think they know what 'real martials arts' are.
I like how everyone wants to hate others opinions. I love... but this world is a little sad.
fr33za33 2 years ago
if you're a bujinkan member and think whats shown in this video is bad then leave the bujinkan, you insulted the top shihan in japan and the soke.
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
I did leave, 3 weeks ago. Looking at my master who's a 11th dan ninja, with a mind like he has and a physical ability like he has.. (I'm not going to say he's not impressive but) it just doesn't live up to my ideal.
When my own rolls are better than the top of the world, and my agility and strength and coordination.. Without receiving any kind of training then... Either I'm a genius or the best isn't that great.. So I'll just continue to teach myself.
fr33za33 2 years ago
no on ein the bujinkan is a "ninja" you're the exact opposite of a genius, you can't understand what's in fornt of you you don't know what ninjutsu is, soke is right, bad people weed themselves out.
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago 2
the top shijan in japan never really prooved how good he is , maybe his very good.....maybe not
but you still believe a person must study in bujinkan to learn real ninjutsu.....
thats why you say there are no ninja in bujinkan (or the world) , you think you know much about ninjutsu philosophy but you dont know the most essential and elemental thing about ninjutsu
InfinityXMaster 2 years ago
you couldn't even understand that shihan was plural so you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. no one is a ninja, they don't exist
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
oh yeah, there is no "s" , its difrent ya know , all that kanji stuff.....your good at it
anyway , ninja do exist , why do you say they dont exist?
InfinityXMaster 2 years ago
because they dont
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago