It's a bit of a logical fallacy there from VenomfangX (and from many theists who claim that taking on a set of limitations is "freedom"). He means "freedom from sin", in the manner that handcuffing yourself to a radiator is "freedom from movement". He wants you to infer the generally accepted principle of "freedom" while defining it by a different standard. This is the textbook definition of equivocation.
surely that mean that the dog does't matter. Why do you care about a dog? they don't have a soul and won't be joining you in heaven or hell. sorry that might break your heart to make you confused. But stop making stupid videos that make no sense.
You missed the point of his words ENTIRELY! And rather then giving any legitimate argument back, you mocked him. (Btw, your annoying as all hell when you laugh.) If your just trying to alienate people rather then have a legitimate discussion, your doing a great job. I swear, atleast other youtube athiests who waste there time trying to redefine christianity dont seem to be TRYING to annoy people.
The issue is when a dog dies, it isn't gonna go to heaven or hell. LoL. If you were a dog, and you died, that's it, no more existence period. What would then be the purpose to life itself?
I don't know what you mean by purpose? Iassume by making that statement you are a creationist as it really is an absolutely unnecessary question in an evolutionary framework.
personally, my hope when I die is that my existence ends. Heaven might be great for a few hundred years but the prospect of trillions of years unending frightens me to the core (or it would do IF I was a Christian).
Oh no, I know Heaven will be for eternity. The idea that I could spend eternity with a loving God, who had the love to give me life, is amazing. Rather, you our of arrogance, or whatever it is driving you away from he truth, will throw you right into the arms of good ol' Satan. Whether or not you believe me, doesn't matter.
Do you realise that you assert your views in the manner of a madman?
'I can see the pixies at the bottom of the garden and if you cannot then goblin king will eat you'. So maybe you find this comparison insulting but all I want to show you is that bold assertion is no basis for a discussion: I am no more 'arrogant' for not believing in YOUR god as you are 'arrogant' for not believing in the Hindu gods.
@noelplum99 As a Christian we believe that GOD will glorify our bodies so we can be in his presence for eternity. So a Trillion years is like nothing to GOD since he created time , space, and matter.
@VanRiper101 They are not AWARE of God. We are. Being aware leads to a choice, live for yourself or live for God. You are actually unaware that you played semantics?
Atheists do not know our origins. Therefore believing in a creator is plausable not laughable. since no one knows, when he laughs, he is accidentally confusing, his opinion with facts of the universe. Ask Pascal. lol Better you hide that smarme, and disagree respectfully.
"imagine there was no god, how would you disprove that?" good question
proving or disproving involvels using things in reality to decide if something is real. Supernatural ideas such as God, fairies, unicorns, magic, and dragons are not in the natural observable world so trying do disprove God by means of evidence is futile.
the question is, is there enough evidence to believe in a god or other supernatural things?
He doesn't explain it too well, but think of freedom as having the right constraints. Like a fish can have freedom outside of water, but in the end it leads to death which isn't freedom at all.
He is referring to animals "murdering" people, which is still pretty funny. I bet you could fill ten stadiums with children that know more about biology than Geerrup does.
I don't want to have the freedom of the dog, because then if I happen to run across many of the youtubers, I'd be likely to want to sniff their asses.
the5y5tem:"..absorbs shock so efficiently a 3m fall does not result in serious brain damage."
This is a meaningless statement. A 3m fall onto rigid legs would probably fracture the hips, pelvis or various vertebrae, plus possible occiput/C1/C2, brainstem or brain damage.
The antero-posterior curves of the human vertebral column have nothing to do with shock absorbtion. They are nothing more than an incomplete adaptation to our upright posture.
"look at biochemistry.. For each part to individually evolve by chance..makes little sense."
And thus the5y5tem reveals the typical creationist's lack of understanding of what evolution is and how it works.
This is why creationism is a pernicious evil and why it must be opposed on all fronts. Its lies and propaganda cause this sort of confusion in the minds of people who are otherwise obviously intelligent.
You said:"..I don't disagree with evolution merely the chance aspect of it... Evolution frequently defies its own 'laws' & displays a creativity far more attributable to design than randomness."
How could I possibly have taken that to mean you're a creationist!? Although it does reveal a profoundly poor understanding of evolution and also hints that design should be considered as a more likely option.
Alright, I guess it came out wrong. I believe as much as you do all the way to the big bang. I don't think there's really much point arguing really. Creationism will die one day, I'm simply trying to enlighten creationists within the church.
I'm not accusing you of lying but you have a strange subs list for someone who eschews creationism for evolution. You sub to geerup, VenomFangX and the way of the master with no donexodus2, thunderf00t, cdk007 or noelplum99 (heh, i couldn't resist)!!
Well yeah, but I've criticized all these personally in regards to creationism. But okay, point taken, I should listen more to both sides of this all debate...
I haven't watched the entire clip of Geerups. I've only seen what you posted here. There is much more to do with freewill and mans nature then what is shown here.
Man, for example, has been given domminion over the planet and all life on it. This gift is not enjoyed by the dog, or any other animal.
Having the gift of freewill and using it wisely may result in an eternity spent in heaven. Also something the dog will not enjoy.
God has given us two natures. One that came from God when he breathed life into us (Gods nature/image) and a second nature that is rooted in the dust that we were created from (the world, or flesh nature).
Freewill allows us to choose which nature we will follow.
God, however, does not let us choose blindly. He gives us instructions and teachers so that we can choose wisely.
Geerup did create a humerous video ... and I agree with you holding him accountable for what he is saying, but at least in regards to the "sending out law enforcement to put down the murderous animals" part ... I'm fairly sure he was saying when animals kill HUMANS that we send people out to put them down, and that DOES happen where I live.
I'm sure that was what he meant but he was deliberately misappropriating the word 'murder' and i wasn't having any of that (and imagining he meant animals killing their own species, which IS what muder is when all is said and done) made me laugh whenever i thought of it!
I'm a dog "owner", but I'm actually a slave to that bitch. Yeah, sometimes I think I'd like to lead a dog's life. Then I could go murder a squirel and claim "I never ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I can, therefore, do what I want. God made you in his image; irresponsible. But you had to eat the fucking fruit. Stupid twat." God said, "I made you wrong; and it's your falt!", because he has the power to be irresponsible. He is omnipotent, after all.
The Bible says that all men are slaves, no exceptions.
You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. A slave to self or a slave to Christ.
There is a neat story about Abraham Lincoln buying a slave girl who was abused her whole life. Abraham Lincoln tells her she is free to go anywhere she would like... She is skeptical but in the end after it's clear he wants her to be free she refused to leave and said she would rather serve a master like him who loves then actually be free.
Well done, sir. I encourage you to watch my video response to Geerup's "Atheist Parasites" when convenient. I think we're on the same page about this guy...
It's always a laugh when loonies say "God created us in his own image".
Serves him right, the bastard. Fancy designing the human lumbo-sacral joint to be so unstable & to look like a "good enough" evolutionary adaptation from quadrupedia.
I hope God enjoys his eternity of L5 disc prolapse, spondylolisthesis and raging sciatica.
Why should I care about your critical analysis of the human body? Most claims to 'flaws' in the human body are merely conjectures based on current ignorance than genuine bad design.
'Junk' DNA was labelled as a waste of space, a remnant of genetic changes, until they realized its importance for controlling the expression of 'non-junk' DNA.
As a scientist myself, I see your assumption of this bad design as a show of your arrogance, be humble enough to accept we don't understand everything.
"Why should I care about your critical analysis of the human body?"
Fair enough. I'm not asking you to take my word for it, other than that this has been my particular area of expertise for the last twenty years. As a scientist yourself (an undergraduate, I assume from your claimed age of 20) you'll want to check the data yourself. Very laudable.
Start with the primary curvature of newborn humans then research the comparative rates of L5 disc prolapses between humans and other animals.
I think that would be better phrased 'until they realised the importance in of PARTS of it for controlling the expression of 'non-junk' DNA'. Your sentence suggests that these regulatory sequences account for the bulk of the so-called junk DNA: they do not. However, i agree it would be foolish to rule out other discoveries untilo we know a whole lot more.
"As a scientist myself,"....... a scientist that subscribes to Fred. I shall say no more.
Leaving the spine to one side how about the trigeminal nerve (had to check up on the name)?
It seems a bizarre arrangement for a nerve to serve both the inner ear and jaw from a design perspective. In fact in foetal development both the jawbones and malleus and incus form in the mandibular arch. Compare to a reptile where the ear doesnt have these bones, they exist as jawbones instead and the nerve pathways make 100x more sense. This makes sense only with evolution.
Have you perhaps considered the fact that the fragility of human beings is also intentional?
Our immune systems have a vast number of weaknesses and are by no means perfect, but this does not signify flaws or mistakes unless the creator intended perfection of certain elements in the first place.
The world itself is incredibly fragile in the entire universal scheme of things, that's exactly what makes life and everything so beautiful.
So you are saying that God has deliberately made our spine one that looks better designed to work in a horizontal plane than a vertical plane (another evolutionary hangover we suffer from, a facet of our physiology that has not had enough evolutionary time to adapt fully from tens of millions of years in a different posture) just to make sure we will be predisposed to an inordinate amount of back complaints in our middle and old ages?
The S-shaped spine serves its purpose. If you want to complain about physical problems complain about the heart which causes a helluva a lot more problems.
On the other hand, a scientific God would want his creation to learn about his creation in order to add/modify it. That's precisely what we're commanded to do in this world. If the world were perfect and there was no room for our imput I would consider it a boring and meaningless place.
I don't think the curvature is the major problem with the spinal column, it is the arrangements of the discs and the compressive force the structure is subjected to in our upright stance.
Yes, it absorbs shock effectively. If the spinal column was an absolute pile of unmitigated shite then we would not have been able to evolve to stand upright at all. Anyone who tries to tell you the spine is not 'fit for purpose' is doing it a disservice. Anyone who tells you that stripped of its evolutionary heritage a better spine could quite easily be designed is making a different and more relevant point.
Have you taken a good look at the biochemistry of human beings, even simple organisms? For each part to individually evolve by chance (I don't disagree with evolution merely the chance aspect of it) makes little sense. Evolution frequently defies its own 'laws' and displays a creativity far more attributable to design than randomness.
The concept of a multiverse is the scientific equivalent of God, both can result in this process without having any physical evidence for either.
If God didn't want us to be engineers, he wouldn't have left us simply with caves. If he didn't want us to be psychologists, he wouldn't have made human nature so complex and unpredictable.
I've heard the adage many times 'If God had wanted us to fly he would have given us wings'. Your version appears to be 'If God hadn't wanted us to fly he would have given us wings hehe'
seriously, a question for you:
This is an omniscient being we are talking about - why would he give a shit whether we are engineers or psychologists? At least the hindus seem to understand the implications o0f omniscience and omnipotence with brahman, christians seem to try and make it folkesy and cuddly
If you understood God, would not that imply that he is a construct of man? If he didn't give a shit about us, he wouldn't have wasted his time coming down from his throne to be a human being in all its weaknesses.
Which is exactly why none of it makes any sense whatsoever, you guys are constantly ascribing human emotions to an infinite being and yet, when it suits, you blithely state that it is beyond the ken of mankind to understand God.
Enjoyed the discussion the5y5tem, alas it is 1am here and i have work tomorrow :)
Who honestly cares who I'm subscribed too. The fact that you need to respond to those who have more subscribers than yourself in order to accumulate hits doesn't say much for yourself.
I feel sorry for lost souls like yourself. I hope you find Jesus Christ before it is too late. He went through so much hardship for you. Your no different than those who hailed him kinf of the jews with the thorns, spit in his face, nailed him to the cross, and publicly humiliated him. All of that was for you. It is disgusting that you think this reality is made up of chaos and nothingness. Every design has a designer. Your no different. Flesh and codes.
scruzer, next time you are in the wilderness look at all the beautiful plants evolution made for you. Then with a big sigh of relief realise that life is beautiful and too short to be afraid for things that are not there, no matter how hard you believe in them.
"19 For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. 20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to Gods curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join Gods children in glorious freedom from death and decay. 22 For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time." Romans 8:19-22 Stop hypothesizing. Read your Bible. Trust in Jesus!!!!!!!
I think what geerup was trying to say was that animals and humans have the same laws to follow (ie. God's will), but animals do not have the capacity to rebel, whereas humans do.
I'm going to sign regardless. God's been shitting me off lately.
My comment was a reply to a person to who said animals do follow the same set of laws people do., Was this misinterpreted as disagreeing with your video or did you just feel like bringing up bestiality as a point of general interest?
ahhh, I had also gotten a reply from somebody who asked if I had gotten my position from the "doggy bible" and was a little annoyed at what seemed to be people reaching for low hanging argumentative fruit. I suppose this mainly got to me because i could have easily within this context have been accused of the same.
BTW, I'm blocked from VFX channel? WTF? I've never offended somebody. I had a small pm message thingy with VFX, but nothing that bad.
I hope my pm got through to the new VFX to restore my blocking. What a pussy. I made a nice comment to VFX. Put time and effort in it. He never replied, but prob only blocked me. What a arsehole. Fucking bullshit. I'm a very moderate atheist.
Aah. i just hate that shit. I had legit complaints about this video but i couldn't respond or subscribe.
I guess the only other animals that are also created in god's image are the ones who have homosexual relations, commit murder, don't observe the sabbath and keep it holy, covet what others have, etc.
All animals must have been created in god's image; but, I'm guessing the real image of god is represented by Sea Monkeys - not the real ones (brine shrimp), but the happy, playful ones that used to be depicted in comic book advertisements.
I'm still convinced my cat would kill and eat me, if he ever had the chance. I suppose I deserve it, for having him fixed. Can't blame him really. I'd do the same.
Signed!!! Although I sort of live my life by that philosophy as it is. If I could lick myself in public, I just might.
I've often wished i was as care free as my dogs but in reality dogs rebel against authority and control on a regular basis, although they do tend to be sneaky about it. :)
Does Geerup live in his car? Maybe PCS2 means when animals "murder" humans. Which isn't murder because, it's not murder when an animal kills one of us because it's not one of us. Y'know, Geerup, you don't have to win Shawn's idiocy crown in the first week, pace yourself!
I believe he was talking about animals killing humans, not other animals. In any case, murder is a legal concept; an animal cannot murder a human. We do however tend to kill animals that have attacked humans.
It's a bit of a logical fallacy there from VenomfangX (and from many theists who claim that taking on a set of limitations is "freedom"). He means "freedom from sin", in the manner that handcuffing yourself to a radiator is "freedom from movement". He wants you to infer the generally accepted principle of "freedom" while defining it by a different standard. This is the textbook definition of equivocation.
Starcrash6984 1 week ago
surely that mean that the dog does't matter. Why do you care about a dog? they don't have a soul and won't be joining you in heaven or hell. sorry that might break your heart to make you confused. But stop making stupid videos that make no sense.
phil89531 1 year ago
tHE IS THAT THE IS NO GOD GUYS JUST BE HAPPY AND HAVE FUN
totolondon 1 year ago
*facepalm*
You missed the point of his words ENTIRELY! And rather then giving any legitimate argument back, you mocked him. (Btw, your annoying as all hell when you laugh.) If your just trying to alienate people rather then have a legitimate discussion, your doing a great job. I swear, atleast other youtube athiests who waste there time trying to redefine christianity dont seem to be TRYING to annoy people.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
Is this guy filming in his car because his mommy might hear him??
shagster1970 1 year ago
Good old Geerup!
Always laughable wrong.
masticina 1 year ago
People crap wherever they want, bite each other, and do "all sorts of crazy things too"
2bornot2b1984 2 years ago
The issue is when a dog dies, it isn't gonna go to heaven or hell. LoL. If you were a dog, and you died, that's it, no more existence period. What would then be the purpose to life itself?
VanRiper101 2 years ago
I don't know what you mean by purpose? Iassume by making that statement you are a creationist as it really is an absolutely unnecessary question in an evolutionary framework.
personally, my hope when I die is that my existence ends. Heaven might be great for a few hundred years but the prospect of trillions of years unending frightens me to the core (or it would do IF I was a Christian).
noelplum99 2 years ago
Apparently you haven't heard much about Heaven then. Ha.
VanRiper101 2 years ago
I have heard waaaay too much about heaven. Don't tell me though, you are Christian number 1000 with 'idea of what heaven is #1000???
You obviously believe in a non-eternal heaven, fine fine fine - very few other christians do I have to say.
noelplum99 2 years ago
Oh no, I know Heaven will be for eternity. The idea that I could spend eternity with a loving God, who had the love to give me life, is amazing. Rather, you our of arrogance, or whatever it is driving you away from he truth, will throw you right into the arms of good ol' Satan. Whether or not you believe me, doesn't matter.
VanRiper101 2 years ago
@VanRiper101
Do you realise that you assert your views in the manner of a madman?
'I can see the pixies at the bottom of the garden and if you cannot then goblin king will eat you'. So maybe you find this comparison insulting but all I want to show you is that bold assertion is no basis for a discussion: I am no more 'arrogant' for not believing in YOUR god as you are 'arrogant' for not believing in the Hindu gods.
noelplum99 2 years ago 4
@VanRiper101 Wow. How Christian of you! lol!! Ridiculous!!
@noelplum99 this guy is simply blinded. He reminds me of myself about 8 months - 1 year ago.
gary031183 1 year ago
@noelplum99 As a Christian we believe that GOD will glorify our bodies so we can be in his presence for eternity. So a Trillion years is like nothing to GOD since he created time , space, and matter.
godisgreat82ify 1 year ago
@VanRiper101 They are not AWARE of God. We are. Being aware leads to a choice, live for yourself or live for God. You are actually unaware that you played semantics?
Atheists do not know our origins. Therefore believing in a creator is plausable not laughable. since no one knows, when he laughs, he is accidentally confusing, his opinion with facts of the universe. Ask Pascal. lol Better you hide that smarme, and disagree respectfully.
easymoney4ever 1 year ago
I would prefer the freedom of a dog, so long as humans didn't exist!
zcloveless 2 years ago
God gives mankind the freedom to choose!?....uh, either love him or burn in a firey pit for eternity...hmmm. I can do without that kind of freedom.
faiserhosen 2 years ago
"imagine there was no god, how would you disprove that?" good question
proving or disproving involvels using things in reality to decide if something is real. Supernatural ideas such as God, fairies, unicorns, magic, and dragons are not in the natural observable world so trying do disprove God by means of evidence is futile.
the question is, is there enough evidence to believe in a god or other supernatural things?
84bodhipath 2 years ago
Ha ha ha, LOVE the ending!
Venaloid 2 years ago
He doesn't explain it too well, but think of freedom as having the right constraints. Like a fish can have freedom outside of water, but in the end it leads to death which isn't freedom at all.
AndyRitson316 2 years ago
Freedom in the sense of having the proper constraints? What?
Venaloid 2 years ago
He is referring to animals "murdering" people, which is still pretty funny. I bet you could fill ten stadiums with children that know more about biology than Geerrup does.
godlessbob 2 years ago
Be careful what you wish for....
DarkDragon187II 2 years ago
no no no you see the dog can't rebel against god because god also does that crazy stuff. why do you think dog is god backwards?
kuwaimaha 2 years ago
I don't want to have the freedom of the dog, because then if I happen to run across many of the youtubers, I'd be likely to want to sniff their asses.
abbnormalfunctions 2 years ago 2
I've just watched Geerup's video.
Loooooonnnniiiiieeeeeee!
BoneySkylord 2 years ago 2
the5y5tem:"..absorbs shock so efficiently a 3m fall does not result in serious brain damage."
This is a meaningless statement. A 3m fall onto rigid legs would probably fracture the hips, pelvis or various vertebrae, plus possible occiput/C1/C2, brainstem or brain damage.
The antero-posterior curves of the human vertebral column have nothing to do with shock absorbtion. They are nothing more than an incomplete adaptation to our upright posture.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
OK, let's try again:
"look at biochemistry.. For each part to individually evolve by chance..makes little sense."
And thus the5y5tem reveals the typical creationist's lack of understanding of what evolution is and how it works.
This is why creationism is a pernicious evil and why it must be opposed on all fronts. Its lies and propaganda cause this sort of confusion in the minds of people who are otherwise obviously intelligent.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
BoneySkylord, I'm not a creationist. I thought I made that clear in an earlier post.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Sorry, my mistake.
You said:"..I don't disagree with evolution merely the chance aspect of it... Evolution frequently defies its own 'laws' & displays a creativity far more attributable to design than randomness."
How could I possibly have taken that to mean you're a creationist!? Although it does reveal a profoundly poor understanding of evolution and also hints that design should be considered as a more likely option.
Sorry, the5y5tem, you ARE a creationist!
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
Alright, I guess it came out wrong. I believe as much as you do all the way to the big bang. I don't think there's really much point arguing really. Creationism will die one day, I'm simply trying to enlighten creationists within the church.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I'm not accusing you of lying but you have a strange subs list for someone who eschews creationism for evolution. You sub to geerup, VenomFangX and the way of the master with no donexodus2, thunderf00t, cdk007 or noelplum99 (heh, i couldn't resist)!!
noelplum99 2 years ago
Well yeah, but I've criticized all these personally in regards to creationism. But okay, point taken, I should listen more to both sides of this all debate...
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I keep trying to add a comment but it isn't posting! This is a test.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
I haven't watched the entire clip of Geerups. I've only seen what you posted here. There is much more to do with freewill and mans nature then what is shown here.
Man, for example, has been given domminion over the planet and all life on it. This gift is not enjoyed by the dog, or any other animal.
Having the gift of freewill and using it wisely may result in an eternity spent in heaven. Also something the dog will not enjoy.
con't
TrustinJC 2 years ago
pt 2
Regarding our nature:
God has given us two natures. One that came from God when he breathed life into us (Gods nature/image) and a second nature that is rooted in the dust that we were created from (the world, or flesh nature).
Freewill allows us to choose which nature we will follow.
God, however, does not let us choose blindly. He gives us instructions and teachers so that we can choose wisely.
So I choose this over the dogs life.
P.S.
I do enjoy your vids Noelplum99.
TrustinJC 2 years ago
GEERUP has his entertaining moments, a fitting replacement for PCS. He gives no more thought to logic and consistency than shawn did.
Ansonidak 2 years ago
Geerup did create a humerous video ... and I agree with you holding him accountable for what he is saying, but at least in regards to the "sending out law enforcement to put down the murderous animals" part ... I'm fairly sure he was saying when animals kill HUMANS that we send people out to put them down, and that DOES happen where I live.
Airsoftaddict78 2 years ago
I'm sure that was what he meant but he was deliberately misappropriating the word 'murder' and i wasn't having any of that (and imagining he meant animals killing their own species, which IS what muder is when all is said and done) made me laugh whenever i thought of it!
noelplum99 2 years ago
I'm a dog "owner", but I'm actually a slave to that bitch. Yeah, sometimes I think I'd like to lead a dog's life. Then I could go murder a squirel and claim "I never ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I can, therefore, do what I want. God made you in his image; irresponsible. But you had to eat the fucking fruit. Stupid twat." God said, "I made you wrong; and it's your falt!", because he has the power to be irresponsible. He is omnipotent, after all.
RichardRoy2 2 years ago
The Bible says that all men are slaves, no exceptions.
You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. A slave to self or a slave to Christ.
There is a neat story about Abraham Lincoln buying a slave girl who was abused her whole life. Abraham Lincoln tells her she is free to go anywhere she would like... She is skeptical but in the end after it's clear he wants her to be free she refused to leave and said she would rather serve a master like him who loves then actually be free.
KeezeeD 2 years ago
OK what is sin?
wuweido 2 years ago
A trespass against God's law as written and commanded in the Bible.
KeezeeD 2 years ago
I wish I was a dog...
danillum 2 years ago
I'm a dogwalker, and I know a dog that likes to eat it's own shit--there's always one in every group.
I don't really mean anything by this comment, but, yeah.
TheAgentChaos 2 years ago
woof! woof!
thndrlion 2 years ago
These people have to be republicans, because god only talks to republicans.
robertfjII 2 years ago
/signed
chirwan 2 years ago
Well done, sir. I encourage you to watch my video response to Geerup's "Atheist Parasites" when convenient. I think we're on the same page about this guy...
-Modias
InModiasWeTrust 2 years ago
It's always a laugh when loonies say "God created us in his own image".
Serves him right, the bastard. Fancy designing the human lumbo-sacral joint to be so unstable & to look like a "good enough" evolutionary adaptation from quadrupedia.
I hope God enjoys his eternity of L5 disc prolapse, spondylolisthesis and raging sciatica.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
not to mention the pointless nipples and raging erections in bad situations
Spalg 2 years ago
What are you talking about, the spine and sacrum are considerably well designed when you consider their function.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
"..spine and sacrum are considerably well designed.."
Donnnng! Massive fail.
For a start, they're not "designed" anyway.
Also, their "design" is pretty crap - when you consider their function.
What idiot would build a skyscraper on a foundation angled at 45 degrees, add a layer of friable rubber & not use enough guy ropes to make it stable?
Oh, of course, God did, didn't he? With the human sacrum & verterbral column.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
Why should I care about your critical analysis of the human body? Most claims to 'flaws' in the human body are merely conjectures based on current ignorance than genuine bad design.
'Junk' DNA was labelled as a waste of space, a remnant of genetic changes, until they realized its importance for controlling the expression of 'non-junk' DNA.
As a scientist myself, I see your assumption of this bad design as a show of your arrogance, be humble enough to accept we don't understand everything.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
"Why should I care about your critical analysis of the human body?"
Fair enough. I'm not asking you to take my word for it, other than that this has been my particular area of expertise for the last twenty years. As a scientist yourself (an undergraduate, I assume from your claimed age of 20) you'll want to check the data yourself. Very laudable.
Start with the primary curvature of newborn humans then research the comparative rates of L5 disc prolapses between humans and other animals.
BoneySkylord 2 years ago
I think that would be better phrased 'until they realised the importance in of PARTS of it for controlling the expression of 'non-junk' DNA'. Your sentence suggests that these regulatory sequences account for the bulk of the so-called junk DNA: they do not. However, i agree it would be foolish to rule out other discoveries untilo we know a whole lot more.
"As a scientist myself,"....... a scientist that subscribes to Fred. I shall say no more.
noelplum99 2 years ago
Actually i will say more.
Leaving the spine to one side how about the trigeminal nerve (had to check up on the name)?
It seems a bizarre arrangement for a nerve to serve both the inner ear and jaw from a design perspective. In fact in foetal development both the jawbones and malleus and incus form in the mandibular arch. Compare to a reptile where the ear doesnt have these bones, they exist as jawbones instead and the nerve pathways make 100x more sense. This makes sense only with evolution.
noelplum99 2 years ago
Have you perhaps considered the fact that the fragility of human beings is also intentional?
Our immune systems have a vast number of weaknesses and are by no means perfect, but this does not signify flaws or mistakes unless the creator intended perfection of certain elements in the first place.
The world itself is incredibly fragile in the entire universal scheme of things, that's exactly what makes life and everything so beautiful.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
So you are saying that God has deliberately made our spine one that looks better designed to work in a horizontal plane than a vertical plane (another evolutionary hangover we suffer from, a facet of our physiology that has not had enough evolutionary time to adapt fully from tens of millions of years in a different posture) just to make sure we will be predisposed to an inordinate amount of back complaints in our middle and old ages?
Ok, I'll take your word for it!
noelplum99 2 years ago
The S-shaped spine serves its purpose. If you want to complain about physical problems complain about the heart which causes a helluva a lot more problems.
On the other hand, a scientific God would want his creation to learn about his creation in order to add/modify it. That's precisely what we're commanded to do in this world. If the world were perfect and there was no room for our imput I would consider it a boring and meaningless place.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I don't think the curvature is the major problem with the spinal column, it is the arrangements of the discs and the compressive force the structure is subjected to in our upright stance.
noelplum99 2 years ago
yet this arrangement absorbs shock so efficiently a 3m fall does not result in serious brain damage.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Yes, it absorbs shock effectively. If the spinal column was an absolute pile of unmitigated shite then we would not have been able to evolve to stand upright at all. Anyone who tries to tell you the spine is not 'fit for purpose' is doing it a disservice. Anyone who tells you that stripped of its evolutionary heritage a better spine could quite easily be designed is making a different and more relevant point.
noelplum99 2 years ago
Have you taken a good look at the biochemistry of human beings, even simple organisms? For each part to individually evolve by chance (I don't disagree with evolution merely the chance aspect of it) makes little sense. Evolution frequently defies its own 'laws' and displays a creativity far more attributable to design than randomness.
The concept of a multiverse is the scientific equivalent of God, both can result in this process without having any physical evidence for either.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
If God didn't want us to be engineers, he wouldn't have left us simply with caves. If he didn't want us to be psychologists, he wouldn't have made human nature so complex and unpredictable.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I've heard the adage many times 'If God had wanted us to fly he would have given us wings'. Your version appears to be 'If God hadn't wanted us to fly he would have given us wings hehe'
seriously, a question for you:
This is an omniscient being we are talking about - why would he give a shit whether we are engineers or psychologists? At least the hindus seem to understand the implications o0f omniscience and omnipotence with brahman, christians seem to try and make it folkesy and cuddly
noelplum99 2 years ago
If you understood God, would not that imply that he is a construct of man? If he didn't give a shit about us, he wouldn't have wasted his time coming down from his throne to be a human being in all its weaknesses.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Which is exactly why none of it makes any sense whatsoever, you guys are constantly ascribing human emotions to an infinite being and yet, when it suits, you blithely state that it is beyond the ken of mankind to understand God.
Enjoyed the discussion the5y5tem, alas it is 1am here and i have work tomorrow :)
noelplum99 2 years ago
Who honestly cares who I'm subscribed too. The fact that you need to respond to those who have more subscribers than yourself in order to accumulate hits doesn't say much for yourself.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I wish I understood your point but as it's you i'm responding to and you have but one subscriber I can't really get my head round your point.
noelplum99 2 years ago
I don't think he understood "ascribing" . Very funny.
grenangle 2 years ago
you do make a very good point, but to be able to reject or accept God is indeed freedom. Animals cannot reject God, they can simply do his will.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
So when a dog humps my leg he is doing Gods Will??????
noelplum99 2 years ago
In a sense yes, the dog is simply trying to satisfy its sex drive.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I feel sorry for lost souls like yourself. I hope you find Jesus Christ before it is too late. He went through so much hardship for you. Your no different than those who hailed him kinf of the jews with the thorns, spit in his face, nailed him to the cross, and publicly humiliated him. All of that was for you. It is disgusting that you think this reality is made up of chaos and nothingness. Every design has a designer. Your no different. Flesh and codes.
scscruzer 2 years ago
scruzer, next time you are in the wilderness look at all the beautiful plants evolution made for you. Then with a big sigh of relief realise that life is beautiful and too short to be afraid for things that are not there, no matter how hard you believe in them.
MrFacet 2 years ago
/signed
Cubanatheist 2 years ago
/signed
In dog years, I'm well past the 300 mark. With freedom comes great longevity!
H5LL2O25 2 years ago
/Signed! ^^
tedarklordhappypants 2 years ago
/s-s-s-s-s-s-signed
Also, got a nice chuckle at the end.
WashingMachine0 2 years ago
"19 For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. 20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to Gods curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join Gods children in glorious freedom from death and decay. 22 For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time." Romans 8:19-22 Stop hypothesizing. Read your Bible. Trust in Jesus!!!!!!!
SpiritLedOne 2 years ago
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SpiritLedOne 2 years ago
freedom of a dog!
5quintessential5 2 years ago
I made a response to geerup/venomfangx video and he left comments. he made up the plot of deformed people are distortion of god's image.
1tofallen 2 years ago
Ka-Signed!
ArtsySiridean 2 years ago
/sign %t
urantivirus 2 years ago
/Signed
RandomDip 2 years ago
Animals commit murder, ... You gotta love it! .... bless them all!
M0THERKN0WSBEST 2 years ago
/signed
ImmortalMojo 2 years ago
I think geerup meant by murder the killing of humans like in this O'Reilly clip about, yeah you guessed right, bears:
watch?v=SYC3fngxmfg
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
/signed
l00t1 2 years ago
I think what geerup was trying to say was that animals and humans have the same laws to follow (ie. God's will), but animals do not have the capacity to rebel, whereas humans do.
I'm going to sign regardless. God's been shitting me off lately.
/signed
thegunonthebook 2 years ago
They don't have the same laws to follow though. I think that's the point.
preachingsin 2 years ago
If we did have the same laws that means that having 'one night stands' is ok in gods eyes as is bestiality (ever had a dog hump your leg??)
noelplum99 2 years ago
My comment was a reply to a person to who said animals do follow the same set of laws people do., Was this misinterpreted as disagreeing with your video or did you just feel like bringing up bestiality as a point of general interest?
preachingsin 2 years ago
My reply was to the same guy you had replied to, maybe i ckicked on your reply button rather than his :)
noelplum99 2 years ago
ahhh, I had also gotten a reply from somebody who asked if I had gotten my position from the "doggy bible" and was a little annoyed at what seemed to be people reaching for low hanging argumentative fruit. I suppose this mainly got to me because i could have easily within this context have been accused of the same.
preachingsin 2 years ago
The same laws? did you read this in your doggy bible?
Cubanatheist 2 years ago
/signed
studiomarcel 2 years ago
/signed
Raistlin13Majere 2 years ago
/signed
bajorjor1 2 years ago
/signed
Florence00pi 2 years ago
/signed
Yevmeister 2 years ago
/signed
bobbarnes1981 2 years ago
signed
beckentom 2 years ago
/signed
totdos 2 years ago
/signed
porkytree161 2 years ago
HA ha ha!
Domzdream 2 years ago
/signed
HailCthulhu 2 years ago
All dogs go to heaven, if they accept the electric collar, and the 6th commandment.
humanman65 2 years ago
WOOF WOOF
Now I can shamelessly chase pussy and hump all the legs I want...
madjik9 2 years ago
/signed
ivarbt 2 years ago
guilt free nut licking...yes
penvsword 2 years ago 3
/Signed.
Iced1992 2 years ago
/signed
papercutDecapitation 2 years ago
/dance
RonDeKiller 2 years ago
/signed.
leicaholt 2 years ago
/SIGNED
cursetheman 2 years ago
my cat killed a mouse the other day, nobody is coming out with guns...
VenalFangEleven brings on da stupid even more than Venal Fang Ten did.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
/signed
charlesfloyb 2 years ago
/signed !!
greger333 2 years ago
xD!!!!
/Signed
demonchad 2 years ago
Another thing you didn't point out:
0:28
If a creation is not flawed (perfect), then the ability to rebel wouldn't exist. How are we perfect, if we rebel against God.
xxxFaustusxxx 2 years ago
/signed, preceded by a slash because lots of other people did it that way and I slavishly follow the crowd.
kevinanity 2 years ago
the backslash is an online gaming thing that differentiates commands from chat cmments
noelplum99 2 years ago
Thanks for the explanation. Considering I'm such a nerd, you'd think I would know these things.
kevinanity 2 years ago
I've told people that I would rather have the freedom of dog than the stigmas of humanity.
1tofallen 2 years ago
dogs can lick their own balls...
now THAT'S freedom!
/sign
ryjinannon 2 years ago
/Signed
ghanamuscle2000 2 years ago
BTW, I'm blocked from VFX channel? WTF? I've never offended somebody. I had a small pm message thingy with VFX, but nothing that bad.
I hope my pm got through to the new VFX to restore my blocking. What a pussy. I made a nice comment to VFX. Put time and effort in it. He never replied, but prob only blocked me. What a arsehole. Fucking bullshit. I'm a very moderate atheist.
Aah. i just hate that shit. I had legit complaints about this video but i couldn't respond or subscribe.
BULLSHIT
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
/Lol
oh wait
/signed
hehehe
ContinuumXT 2 years ago
/Signed
calves009 2 years ago
signed
Baronesa1980 2 years ago
/signed
GabrielPryn 2 years ago
/sign
Harvey2face123 2 years ago
signed
UrsusSapien 2 years ago
/SIGN
Zaimoren 2 years ago
Just to add a point real quick. My dog enjoyed Gay anal sex with other male dogs...
I think my dog was made in God's image too :P
makaisenki 2 years ago
I guess the only other animals that are also created in god's image are the ones who have homosexual relations, commit murder, don't observe the sabbath and keep it holy, covet what others have, etc.
All animals must have been created in god's image; but, I'm guessing the real image of god is represented by Sea Monkeys - not the real ones (brine shrimp), but the happy, playful ones that used to be depicted in comic book advertisements.
Afod3 2 years ago
/SIGN
932016 2 years ago
/signed
ionz75 2 years ago
Love the end.
PragnorVorn 2 years ago
Signed
TheWeaver78 2 years ago
/signed
thefountainof 2 years ago
/SIGN
Rambleale 2 years ago
signed!
GriffinPilgrim 2 years ago
I see my video to Geerup in related videos! WIN! : )
crazycrazycaleb 2 years ago
signed
askewmind 2 years ago
LMAO--Where's the Alpo?
Signed!
themaskedanalyst 2 years ago
I'm still convinced my cat would kill and eat me, if he ever had the chance. I suppose I deserve it, for having him fixed. Can't blame him really. I'd do the same.
Signed!!! Although I sort of live my life by that philosophy as it is. If I could lick myself in public, I just might.
ravenslaves 2 years ago
/sign.
Angelflesh 2 years ago
I've often wished i was as care free as my dogs but in reality dogs rebel against authority and control on a regular basis, although they do tend to be sneaky about it. :)
signed
macnutz 2 years ago
Does Geerup live in his car? Maybe PCS2 means when animals "murder" humans. Which isn't murder because, it's not murder when an animal kills one of us because it's not one of us. Y'know, Geerup, you don't have to win Shawn's idiocy crown in the first week, pace yourself!
RadarKat73080 2 years ago
even when an animal kills a human it isn't murder. surely the worst you could charge an animal with is manslaughter lol
gothatfunk 2 years ago
Murder means homicide as in homo as in same species. So I guess a dog really can't murder a person!!!
superextremelaser 2 years ago
My dog licks his balls and ass.
FansFiltration 2 years ago
/sign
ryuujin36 2 years ago
/signed
QzurK 2 years ago
Hahahahaha! Oh my science! This video was so funny and insightful! By the way, watching you crack up makes me crack up, so kudos to you!
h8uall66 2 years ago
Signed!
Chrismorgan1983 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure by "animals committing murder" he meant "animals killing humans."
RageTreb 2 years ago
Hi Noel,
I believe he was talking about animals killing humans, not other animals. In any case, murder is a legal concept; an animal cannot murder a human. We do however tend to kill animals that have attacked humans.
arthurandroid 2 years ago
"When animals commit murder... "
I think that he was referring to when animals kills humans. Still entertaining thou. =P
Rasayana85 2 years ago
I think he ment if an animal kills a human.... but still... geerup should be in a zoo. I would pay to see him ramble.
BitRobot 2 years ago
I actually think PCS2 is more ignorant that PCS.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
I like dogs.
DampEgg 2 years ago
Signed.
If god does not respond to this petition then he should be reported to the Trading Standards Office for mis-selling free will.
starfedrogue 2 years ago
*scribbly writing* Signed LordMigit
LordMigit 2 years ago
Dogonit God...make me your "bitch" already!!!
;-)
CanxYouxDigxIt 2 years ago
I'm hesitating about signing this one, because what I really want is the freedom cats have to walk blithely along narrow fences.
Hmm. I guess that means I'm sitting on the fence...
73elephants 2 years ago
Geerup is so loony that I'd almost swear he was doing satire. Almost. Either way, good video, Noel.
heteroclite47 2 years ago 2
/sign
hefftatious 2 years ago