Obama/McCain at Saddleback Civil Forum

[jordansonmyfeet23]

renomhe34...

SHIPPING OURS JOBS TO CHINA IS GOOD?

OUR ECONOMY IS GOOD WITH BUSH POLICIES?

UNEMPLOYMENT IS GOOD UNDER BUSH?

PATRIOT ACT??

NORTH AMERICAN UNION??

R U RETARDED???? LOL

LOOK AT THE APPROVAL RATING!! YOU ARE IN THE LOWER 25% WITH A RETARDED COMMENT LIKE THAT!!!! LOL

[renomahe34]

hahah approval rating? the american ppl r as blind as u thanks to the media.

-patriot act good

-economic policies good for the most part

-china rading bad(but mccain doesnt vote w/bush on this)

-unemployment has been the best in US history for Bush entire presidency until very recently(last 3 moinths)

im sure niether of us r as retarded as the girl i was arguing w/ earlier but u should do some research too and even with research we will not always agree on all of bush's policies

[lakenormanusa]

It's easy to use the media for your failures. - Hurricane Katrina - Bin Laden Free - Rising Jobless Rate - High Gas Prices - Weakend Dollar - Corrupt Administration - Dimenished International Influence & Status How would you know anything about the media when the only channel you watch is Fox News and Sean Hannity. You might want to wisen up "retarded girl." Your making personal comments about someone you know knothing about.

[lakenormanusa]

Did you skip school today, because you have to be in the 5th grade.

You are intellectually limited, and that's being kind.

The main reason that the country dislikes Bush is because his administration decieved this country into an invasion of Iraq.

Now John McCain has shown his lack of judgement be selecting a hockey mom, that would be a moose in the headlights if the role of commander-in-chief landed in her lap.

Tell John McCain to look up your story, he could use it about now.

[renomahe34]

so u still didnt look it up hahaha. well anyway i assume u like obama

obama thought iraq had wmd's its on record but he claims to have opposed the war back then when we invaded. no one know if he is telling the truth because he is not on record either way

now he wants to raise taxes(not making this up) when we are in an economic slump. higher taxes wont help

he opposed the surge

so obama has been wrong and show bad judgemnet

[lakenormanusa]

Obama, Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel opposed the invasion of Iraq.

Webb and Hagel are Vietnam vets who know the results of having an itchy trigger finger.

Obama's 2002 anti-war speech on youtube dislayed solid judgement and foresight.

Obama will give tax breaks to households earning less than $250,000.

Bush walked into the White House with a surplus and now national debt is at an all-time high.

The Anbar Awakening was a pivotal factor in reducing violence in Iraq.

[31337STER]

I know he was a P.O.W. but does he have to play that card every flippin time?

[goblai67]

When it is about normal Jobs,You need someone with experience.But to be a president,you dont need experience you have to be qualify(Sen or Gov)and also have a VISION. So to have a vision you have to know what's happening at home and abroad and be able to make a good judgment. EXPERIENCE DO NOT WORK ON PRESIDENCY, Jimmy carter,Bill Cliton, George Bush senior are all alive and have experience. why not chose one of them?? BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT VISION.

The Senate,the Congresse do the rest.

[D4rKNeSs13]

If you liked Bush you will love McBush!~

[lakenormanusa]

McCain boasts about hunting down Osama Bin Laden, like he's Rambo.

Did he not realize that Bin Laden was not in Iraq?

Did he not understand that concentrating U.S. military recources into Iraq would prove to be counter productive in the effort to bring those responsible for 9-11 to justice?

McCain keeps talking about the success of the Surge, but this talk is just a smokescreen to disguise his lack in judgement by supporting the Bush policy to invade Iraq.

[renomahe34]

it was a very good decision to invade iraq. do u not realize that we have found out they not only supported alquida(sp?) but also hid bin laden from US froces several times. we have also found out that saddam not only had the capability and will to get WMD's the second things cooled down in the UN but also started getting parts like yellow uranium. learn the facts before u voice ur opinion

[lakenormanusa]

renomahe34 - It's spelled Al-Qaeda. Maybe you should do some research before you voice your opinion.

Your statement is pure non-sense.

There were no WMD's, nor was there a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.

This is old news, where have you been?

[renomahe34]

getting better informed then u apparently.

when the US went in and there were no big missles or terrorsits hiding thetre ppl assumed bush lied or was at least wrong. recently and i mean in the last year or 2 we have found out he was right about virtually everything. look it up

[lakenormanusa]

I wouldn't consider, last year or 2 as recent.

But that aside, The White House lied and decieved the U.S. into an invasion of Iraq.

Check out Ron Suskind's book, "Way of the World." It is recent, it came out 2 weeks ago.

[renomahe34]

w/e that book says, its wrong. books can be wrong u know and i guarentee this one is. bush only believed wat all major coutries leaders did at the time. sadaam had or was trying to get wmd's. and u know wat, they were at least right about the trying to get part and def right about the terror links. LOOK IT UP my God y dont u just do it and stop wasting my time

[lakenormanusa]

Wasting your time?

Your the one that started with me.

You are the only "hold-out" that still believes there was a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda, and that there were WMD's.

Saddam wanted his neighbors to believe that he had them, but it was a bluff.

Hell, even Bush and Cheney won't try to defend this point of view.

But they knew the truth the entire time anyway.

[renomahe34]

i knew it ur afraid to look it up

i believed for the longest time there was nothing there but after the recent evidence has come forth, i believe we were right in going in. LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!11

[lakenormanusa]

If it were true, I wouldn't need to look it up.

The fact that John McCain isn't using your information in his campaign pretty much says it all.

[renomahe34]

it would be a dumb move to use it. anyoine that would believe him or would be willing to look it up already knows. anyone who doesnt know would be turned off by a person "who holds out" and would not look it up or vote for him

[lakenormanusa]

If it were true, there would be no need to look it up.

That would be a huge bombshell of a story.

It would change the entire election.

But like you said, it would be a dumb move, because it isn't true.

[renomahe34]

r u rlly that stupid to think that if there was a bombshell that helped the pres it would be all over the news hahahahaa u rlly r stupid arent u hahahaha they HATE the president and in fact it was on every news station for about 5 secs every time a new story like this came out. fox was the only station that reported it for the bombshell that it was look it up or i will not respond

[jordansonmyfeet23]

TURN YOUR TV OFF NOW!!!!!!

[nwj10]

It just shows how people STILL are easily taken in. One man takes the time to give thoughtfully sincere answers, the other is doing the usual political stumping using all the usual buzz words. But some are satisfied to give their AMEN to whatever McCain says. I respect McCain's service and sacrifice. But this is NOT the kind of person I want to see leading our country. Wake up! Use some common sense! It's only your future and the futures of your children.

[lakenormanusa]

To be honest, reversing Roe vs. Wade would be taking steps back in the women's rights movement.

The majority of women in this country aren't gonna let John McCain reverse, Roe vs. Wade.

[balvarez01]

I would rather have Obama, that actually THINKS about issues and is humble enough to admit how difficult questions concerning, e.g., when a fetus gains personhood, then McCain who has a black and white view of the world and doesn't think twice about the other side's point of view. We've had too much of that in the past 8 years, and look where uncompromising, narrow, views has left us.

[Cleverconveyence]

That is one thing that stood out to me, balvarez01.

Throughout the thing, I expected some groans or something from the crowd. But despite some of his beliefs, he managed to get the crowd CLAPPING. He truly has the potential to meet in the center with most people. He's Christian, and it is in his political beliefs, but he's a practical Christian.

As for McCain, I'll respectfully abstain from expressing my absolutely venomous disgust at this man's political posterizing bullshit.

[balvarez01]

Thank you! I was so worried I was going to get creamed for my comment. :) But, really, Obama is a thinker. I read a story on how he came to his religion beliefs and was pleased when I learned he studied Augustine and Aquinas and Aristotle and other great philosophers. How refreshing to possibly have an intellectual in office that can think criticaly rather than a narrow-minded individual who thinks the whole world falls into some Manenchian concept of good vs. evil / black vs. white.

[Cleverconveyence]

Also, did you see this video about the abortion portion of this interview?

watch?v=XRZX_ndZN-g

I like how they make fun of him stuttering. Yeah, because McCain doesn't do that all the time. The only reason he didn't do it here is because he already knew the questions. Obama looked inside his heart for answers, and even came to a conclusion both sides could agree on.

John McCain gave yet another empty "say what they want to hear" stump speech.

[balvarez01]

Does it surprise you? That's all politics as been reduced to.

[Cleverconveyence]

Just tit-for-tat nonsense.

I think I'm gonna start making videos refuting all the nonsense. See if I can't sow a few seeds of knowledge.

[realcyrus26]

This administration had an agenda before the terror attacks. they had the intel to stop the terror attacks. They allowed them to happen so they could "galvanize" this country to give them the green light to follow through with their predetermined agenda. All the FACTS point to this conclusion. But I digress. Oh yeah! So its been confirmed that there was no "cone of silence", and McCain wasnt even in the building. And we take his word that no 1 in his entire camp listened to the questions early!

[realcyrus26]

furthermore, I dont think the intel could have been any clearer on the Iraq war-PIMPDALYRICAL-! any1 who still dont believe we were lied to, evan after this administration basically "admitted" they lied, is "blissfully ignorant of reality". And what about the rest of the world harboring terrorist on this globe? How come we didnt attack them too? Because it wasnt convenient at the time, thats why. Do you think they threw a dart and it landed on Iraq? They could have. But thats not what happened.

[realcyrus26]

I do believe that opposing the war shouldnt have been Obammas example of his hardest decision. But he is far from a buffoon. Obamma seemed to follow the instructions to the format of the interview(NO STUMP SPEECHES). And McCain took advantage to do the opposite. Maybe Obamma should have demonstrated "typical politic tactics" as well. But he is after all running to be a different type of politician, not bringing "business as usual" tactics to the table.

[realcyrus26]

No -LEPUSFILMS-. I never infered the bible was a scource of ALL knowledge, but I bet if you were on the same stage as Obamma and tried to make that argument, you would have been thrown out. The relevance to me using it as an example in our conversation is, if a people all over the world can refer to a book that speaks in this manner, for enlightenment and examples in behavior and leadership, then who are you to say that I am wrong for speaking the same way? If god is tactless then so am I.

[guitarjunkie777]

Sometimes using the Bible as "a source of all knowledge" can come off conceded or judgmental and therefore not appropriate for debate. Arguments should be created from the ground up, not the other way around, as many religionists so often do.

[topbigdog1]

What a bafoon the dems have for a candidate. Obama is a complete fool!!!

[moneyfornewbies]

I totally agree with you. Don't people see this guy is just hollow.

[staugsfr]

This video is as biased as the channel that it's broadcasted on... I mean, how come Obama's answers are cut off after 5 seconds, when McCain rambles nothing but crap for a minute and a half... When the debates start, you won't be able to edit the truth

[taintedmeatallica]

That was great. Mccain was straight up no bs and he said it like it is.

[realcyrus26]

Anyone bother to wonder, with all our satellite technology and ability to spy on our own citizens, how could the US not know Russia was amassing hundreds of tanks and a large military force and being on the move. Reality is we knew. But the republicans know this will scare another Republican clone into office. So nothing is said or done about it till after the fact. People are like sheep. Its like no one can read between the lines and think for themselves or ask objective questions.

[realcyrus26]

a few weeks before this Georgian situation, Charlie Black(McCain advisor) says that right now, a fresh terror attack would benefit McCain. You can all go google it and read the context of it for yourselves. But to me its more of the same. "SCARE" the US people into thinking we cant "take a chance" one some1 in the oval office right now. Same Bush game. Now with the new Georgian crisis and Russian hostility, Im sure the McCain camp is just delighted they get to use these events to scare youall

[lakenormanusa]

John McCain didn't want to talk too much about the failure of his 1st marriage.

That's because he dumped his beauty queen wife, like a hot potato after she was involved in a disfiguring automobile accident.

Come on John, tell us more.

He squirmed out of that question with a 1 sentence answer.

McCain used the question about how he's changing his mind over the past 10 years, to use his stump rhetoric, "drill here and drill now." He actually changed his mind on this one 2 months ago.

[pimpdalyrical]

Well Obama calls opposing the war his hardest moral decision. Seeing as how he wasn't in a position to even vote on it at the time, it's a wonder why he had so little conviction. Mccain at least brought it up. Did Obama mention his patronage of reverend Wright? His associatiions with Bill Ayers? nope.

[lakenormanusa]

John McCain set each answer up with the same crap that he says on the stump.

McCain uses General Patraeus as one of the 3 wisest people that he knows? Just so he can claim that he'll bring our troops home with victory and honor. Victory and honor??

Unfortunately for our troops, Iraq will be labeled as Bush's war. A war that was sold to the American people on deceptive and manipulative pretenses.

[pimpdalyrical]

Wrng again. Iraq was a war based on living up to the threats of our words. Bush said: "Any government allowing safe harbour for terrorists will face the US military." Iraq did, so we followed through, keeping our word in only 22 days. The rest of the war has been against insurgents from Iran hoping to fill the void left by saddam. Maybe if Clinton hadn't slashed the CIA budget to 1/3 it's opperating cost, the intel would have been better.

[jordansonmyfeet23]

One of McCains 3 chosen consultants came foward and said I never consult with McCain...LOLOLOLOLOLOL

McCain supports more than half of Bush's policies. Are you people just retarded or what?

[renomahe34]

well considering a lot of the bush policies r good i dont see this as a problem. r u retarded or wat?

[wuburmenz]

Liar Obama got totally owned. Pathetic.

[reeft]

damn... when mccain said "at the moment of conception"

WHAT THE FUCK! Every woman should be able to decide if she wants an abortion or not

on evil:

again, wtf is wrong with mccain? defeat it?

he is such a douche, i hope americans will vote for obama

[balvarez01]

Isn't it interesting how a 5 celled embryo is worth more than the dignity of a woman? I agree abortions are questionable by the end of the first trimester, but AT CONCEPTION? 50% of fertilzed eggs are miscarried. I don't see us going nuts over so many "persons" dying. And I bet none of these individuals protest the massive disposal of embryos every year at IVF clinics. Some consistency would be nice.

[guitarjunkie777]

Good point!

[balvarez01]

Thank you. :)

[JPizzle1490]

I have taken some of the criticisms of Obama to heart and see where some people might find McCain to be stronger in this debate (although as I said earlier, i believe this was a terrible compilation of the forum), but I still believe that, in policy, Baraq does, indeed, represent change while McCain will continue to lead in the same way that president bush did. John McCain has changed since the 2000 election. I would have voted for him then.

[joshua504079]

a stark and refreshing contrast of the two men. i found it most interesting that when obama talked about evil, there was no mention of terrorism. and evidently there are decisions "above obama's pay grade". im sorry, but that was the biggest copout ive heard from him yet. he flat out admitted he hadn't the experience to answer that question. excellent comparison of the two roads america may choose. i choose mccain.

[HueliaDonRodriguez]

lol thats a very funny movie...

Mccain has a small weener...

[thisisntme]

These comparisons are bit skewed. Bias much?

[ericblr]

name one person without bias?

[oakalala14]

"awin9891" the questions that matter? What about economy and energy? Abortion is a major issue when we're losing thousands of soldiers to a middle eastern occupation?

Like people have noted, McCain was on his turf. These are white conservatives who were falling on top of eachother to praise McCain.

[awin9891]

Obama wasn't even close! The only response Obama supporters have is to whine about the forum. Could it be that you're upset because he got waxed when having to sit down and answer real questions that matter? The whole Obama candidacy is a fabricated farce. When he's not reading a canned speech he wilts, because he has no core values that match most Americans. McCain is by no means perfect, but honestly, who would you want running our country?

[ericblr]

After watching that debate last night McCain!

[jordansonmyfeet23]

Debate? LOL Was your TV even on?

[ericblr]

excuse me, not debate... discussion.

[GamerUnlimited]

lol definetly

[stillhearya]

People I hope you noticed how immediate McCain's answers were as if he had already prepped for the questions. I've never seen him respond so quickly to any questions asked by reporters or during the debate. His answers were more like prepared speeches than anything while Obama's response were fresh, reflective and on the spot. Don't forget

McCain was in his territory. Orange County is republican owned. I question the integrity

of this forum.

[Tone2369111]

I saw that too. His answers were quick when he actually did answer the question.

I was waiting for him to put a monetary value on "rich" people which he never did. Only "joking" with the "$5 MILLION"

McBush will lose.

[ericblr]

His poll numbers are in sharp decline after falling flat on his ASS last night.  Dont think so anymore.

[mikesadick]

It just seemed that way because all Obama's answers start with "uh, uh, uh, eh, eh, eh, da"

[olejazzman]

This was McCain best public appearance. The only thing that bothered me was every response by McCain was a military response, using military stories and military examples. He showed how shallow he really is on all other issues. Personally, I don't want someone like Bush, Chaney, and Rumfield who will get us into more wars, because that's all he knows. In addition, McCain's ads show he is owned by the oil companies and will serve them before he serves America. He just another warmonger. Obama!

[mweber45]

McCain should use this as his ONLY campaign ad .. it's so obvious who should win this election! America's problem is the "kool-aid" drinking Obama fans who prefer a Hollywood type over someone who is capable of making hard decisions and sticking by them .. regardless of whether that makes them popular or NOT!!

[Tone2369111]

"Our economy has seen great progress over the past 8 years" - John McCain

"100 years"- John McCain

"We are not headed into an inflation" - John McCain I know we are already in it!!!

Has McCain been asleep?

Everything is war/military to McCain

McBush will lose.

[jrinutah]

Not a huge McCain supporter but this "forum" shows BO for the empty suit that he is.....

[911sheeple]

Why did Obama even show up to this Evangalickle crap anyways? Maybe Ted Haggard was there to reming the audience that he was Bush's spiritual advisor (while Ted was having gay sex when on Meth). These nutjob Christians got us into the war in Iraq. I don't see McCain holding a town meeting at a Marylin Manson show. (Maybe at an Alice Cooper show). I think McCains brain is stil a POW. Look at the Jackson Browne lawsuit against him. JB has long been against war and pro liberty. Lives in the Balance

[realcyrus26]

mccain told old sob stories from his p.o.w yesteryear days in order to tug at the hearts of america. personally I have a problem with a leader who gets all his advice, experience, and makes all judgments to "defeat evil" by following it to the gates of hell( and dragging the entire country to Hell with him! Mccain is another militaristic idiot.

[ericblr]

Its those "militaristic idiots" that gave you the right to say such stupid and ignorant statements such as those!

[realcyrus26]

Dont get me wrong. I think a strong military is important. But it is not the only ingredient in the donut mix. I dont see a philosophy of propelling the nation forward as a whole with a good mix of ideas in McCain. I only see one ingredient. Two scoops of "militaristic idiot". You probably are the percent who thinks we are on the right track with the Bush/McCain plan though.

[revchiu]

it's not fair to obama, i think the justice of this forum is really in question.

[ericblr]

We dont live in a fantasy world.  These are people who had questions. If Obama wants to be a leader than this is what he will be facing every single day. Fairness doesn't come into play. Fairness only exists in an ideal world, and guess what, we don't live in that world. If this is all it takes for Obama to choke, then I dont want him anywhere near the oval office. Obama lost.

[LEPUSFILMS]

In my opinion, Mccain owned up all of these questions.

[realcyrus26]

Then why didnt he say his 1st marriage didnt work bcuz "HE CHEATED". He didnt own up to that one did he? And I dont call giving "stump speeches" (which Obamma was told not to do), Owning up to anything. Ohh BOO HOO! I was shot down and held captive! So that give me the experience to run this country. WTF!! The dude may die at the inauguration, hes so old and senile. His wife had to get hospital attention bcuz some1 shook her hand and sprained it! TOO OLD TO BE OBJECTIVE!! STUCK IN OLD TIMES!!

[LEPUSFILMS]

I'm just caling it how I see it. I don't necessarily support either candidate, but McCain did better here.

"realcyrus26" - If you can't put an objective argument together that's free of ridiculous emotional tripe, there's really no reason to speak with you.

[JPizzle1490]

i agree with you..... but the guy who put this compilation together has to be pro McCain!!! he chose ones that made mccain look good and made obama look just ok.

[LEPUSFILMS]

You might be right there... I can't seem to find too many more clips of this thing though...

[ericblr]

Well I look at it this way, if Obama cant stand the heat then he does not deserve the oval office! These are real voting Americans who Obama will have to answer to!

[jordansonmyfeet23]

THE HEAT? OBAMA ANSWERED ALL HIS QUESTIONS!!!!

WISH I COULD SAY THE SAME ABOUT MCBUSH.

Maybe you can tell us the # McBush couldnt. LOL

[ericblr]

In a round about, beat around the bush sort of way. He stumbled all over the place. MacCain took 2 seconds to answer and was straight to the point. Look, I don't give a crap about either one, but Obama bombed, straight up!

[realcyrus26]

I think I have been following all candidates from the beginning enough to know B.S. when I hear it. Sorry if you dont see the reality in McCains answers and in the way in which he answered. Emotion has nothing to do with it. If you see me write something that has no point to it, then call it emotional. otherwise wake up!

[LEPUSFILMS]

"realcyrus26" - It's important to be able to disagree with someone without being disrespectful.

[realcyrus26]

even the bible calls people "educated fools"! so, in the same sense, I call someone a militaristic idiot. im not being disrespectful. And Im not bashing the military. Just those who try to scare us all into voting for them by creating wars and selling guns, training enemies, then later saying we should be so afraid that we give these "leaders" unchallenged power.

[LEPUSFILMS]

The bible is not the source of all knowledge. Calling someone an "educated fool" or a "militaristic idiot" is just as tactless as it is irrelevant to any discussion we may have been having.

[balvarez01]

Hear Hear! I am tired of rhetoric. Only people who cannot argue intelligently argue like that.

[Tone2369111]

Really please tell me what NUMBER he considered rich?

He never answered the question. He only JOKED about $5 MILLION....$5 MILLION!!!!!!

Did you have your TV on mute?