Randy, it's a shame that your entire theory of atheism is based on other people. You keep saying you feel betrayed, and you don't see people acting the way they should if they were really Christians, and to an extent, I agree. Christians are bad examples though. Try not to place you faith base on other human beings, everyone will let you down.
Hi AKG4life, think about it this way: suppose I came up to you and said I've seen the true god: her name is "Janesus". she was a homless person who was killed by the government a few years back because the government said she was actively waging war against america. But then she came back from the dead, and appeared to her followers and told them THE ONE TRUE RELIGION. If we follow that religion, we can solve all the world's evils. You are interested enough to investigate this group (cont)
(cont) Since Janesus came back from the dead, they started calling her "Janesus Christy" and they call themselves "Christyians". You find that these Christyians talk a good game--they say that the meek will inherit the earth, that people should sell everything they have and give it to the poor, etc. But their behavior is quite different! In reality, they are no better and no worse than any other group of people. When you point this out, they say "don't place your faith in people" (cont)
(cont) place your faith in Christy. Christyians are imperfect, but Christy is perfect. Would you feel particularly inclined to join in with the Christyians??
religion was created to control people without being there,if you do this and that you will burn in hell forever.control people with fear of shit that will never happen.
Hi, just in case you want to repost this to me, you have to post it to one of your other videos first. The link was broken when I closed my account. Sorry for the trouble.
stupid creationists, EVOLUTION IS SCIENTIFIC FACT (at least in this plane of reality). 90%, eh? sounds like there's a correlation between how much of our brain we use and theists/atheists
Nah. its not a very accurate model. There's an online store (google for skullduggery) which sells more realistic models which are in the $115.00 range.
LOL its a funny story. I bought it off of ebay, and had it shipped to my work address (I was working for Intel at the time) because I was moving and didn't have a permanent address yet. So Intel must x-ray all of their incomming mail, because I got a call from Intel Security--they asked me if I was expecting a package containing any "unusual or irregular contents" :-) Me and my colleages had a laugh. One of them dubbed the skull "Yorrick" and the name stuck :-)
To your point 2: Just because people say "im christian" or "I believe in god" that doesn't mean they live up to it. You would obviously think that christianity only works to those who live what they say they believe. reality is that Any one can believe in god; even a murder. The bible says demons believe in god... I understand what you mean abuot "if most people" lived like a christian, then there would be less problems; but really think about what your saying. no offense.
Hi j0espace, try to put yourself in my position. Say you lived in a country where 90% of the population was a different religion from you--say they were all mistians :-) Mistians believed that some woman named Misty died and rose again, and they therefore they worshiped Misty like a God. However, almost none of them do anything Misty told them to do. Misty said "blessed are the peacemakers" but that country was always at war. (cont)
(cont, to J0espace) Misty said "Sell all your goods and give them to the poor" but that country had one of the largest gaps between rich and poor in the world. Etc. Would you feel any desire to become a Mystian? Suppose you asked one of them why, in a country where 90% of the people are Mistians, you can't really find anybody who does what Misty said to do---suppose they said the same thing to you about Mistianity that you said to me about Christianity: (cont)
(cont, to J0espace) Suppose they said "well, just because somebody says they believe in Misty doesn't mean they live up to it. Anybody can believe in Misty, even a murderer. Heck, the devils believe in Misty. Think about what you are saying, no offence." Now how plausible do you think it would seem to you that Mistianity was anything but the most pathetic excuse for a false religion there ever was???
2) My point is, that the intention for you statement seems as an excuse to negate god's existence, but just because the majority of people say "I believe in God" doesn't mean they all practice there believes, so your statement don't seem valid enough to negate God's existence.
3) For example, the majority of people on earth believe that eating fruits and vegetables helps you live longer; if they all believe in it, why are there fat people around the world if this is not the expected outcome? If this was true then there would be less fat people right?...
4) Does this negate the statement of "eating fruits and vegetable helps you live longer"? No. This just means that people choose NOT to eat fruits and vegetables, although the majority of people still believe in the product.
1) Ok, let say Misty did say "Blessed are the peace makers" but the believers on that country were always on war... Now, let say I'm a big Misty believer! However, I still love violence so violence is the road I chose to take. So, does NOT following "Misty's" rule disqualify me from being a Misty believer? Or is it possible to be a Misty believer but just a disobedient one? I have friends that say "I believe in God Existence" but their actions never reflect there believes and they admit it...
Hi j0espace, oh, I'm not questioning that they believe in Misty. I'm questioning whether Misty exists. From their behavior, I can only conclude that Mistianity is a false religion.
Lets say Misty did exist and everyone believed in Misty but peoples behavior didint reflect it because they live against Misty word "rules"... Misty only reflects in peoples lives who obey. This is why i say this is not a valid way of negating god's existance... "Your basically saying people believe in a God of peace, but they dont have peace". But remember that not only cause they believe means they follow they follow the rules. Way to find out is, find someone that does follow the rules.
This is a totally different approach from the one you descrived on your cool video on reason 2. I said I disagreed with what you said on reason 2. Now that you said "im misty" thats when it comes to faith, and that when living by your rules opens doors to salvation right? But in the "christian" world there are actually miracles that people experience. Can you perform miracles?... See? This is what differientiates you from a god that does perform miracles.
I never said that I was misty, I said that I was a Mistian. And just because I pray to Misty and she doesn't answer my prayers the way I want them answered, doesn't mean she's not listenting to them! I don't understand why you don't believe in Misty, she's been so good to me. Everytime I was in need, Misty was there to see me through.
Did you know that Homo Erectus had decent sea-faring abilities, buried their dead, and used ceremonial dye? I've heard of evolutionary anthropologists that think h. erectus and neandertal are h. sapiens and some that think that all three interbreeded.
Also, the volume of the skull is within the range of variation of ours.
All people are, to paraphrase Dawkins, all atheists. Those who believe in Zeus as god think that those who don't believe in Zeus are atheists. Christians think that those who don't believe in Christ are atheists. Muslims think that those who don't believe in Allah are atheists. So in short, all people are in one way or another atheists.
No thanks. I have no use for the supposed history of Judaism. You do realize that there is an incredibly low probability that Judaism (as a unique, codified religion) is even as old as the supposed Exodus from Egypt (which is also historically spurious), don't you? I suggest studying ancient levantine archeology and sociology. I can even point you to a few sources on the origins of Judaism, since I wrote a paper on it for my philosophy class last semester.
Oh, Randy. I've noticed a significant difference in personal morality between theists and non-theists since leaving the fairy-believers (and becoming a fairy :D): non-theists don't hate sex. That alone has definitely made the transition worth it for me ^_^
For starters, the ancient Hebrew sages believed in evolution, that we started off from lower animal lifeforms, and that only once these developed to a certain point did God imbue with with a divine soul. The Romans and Greeks believed in evolution too, and so the idea that evolution is this new factor which has disproven God is historically inaccurate.
Incidentally, the pre-Abrahamic part of the book of Genesis has always been understood as a mystical text, not literal. That is where Christians are in error, and it's why so many Atheists have a field day attacking it.
So we're to believe that the people who thought the brain was your body's air-conditioner (i.e., the ancient Greeks) had a theory of evolution before Darwin? Citations?
Actually, forget that website. If I recall correctly there was a reference to it in Plato's Last Days of Socrates. I don't make it a habit to memorize these things. My area of knowledge is in Jewish religion, not Greek. I'm sure any encyclopedia entry on evolution will mention the some of the Greek philosophers believed in it.
Don't need to get all defensive, geez. Turns out you were right, apparently the ancient Greeks had some proto-evolutionary ideas...but that doesn't put them anywhere near "believing in evolution", especially not in the sense we discuss the Theory of Evolution in its present state.
Just because they didn't subscribe to the current version of evolution does not mean they didn't believe in evolution. I am referring to the ontological -- rather than current ideological -- meaning of the term. My point still stands. Evolution is not a new concept, and it certainly doesn't support the ideology of atheism.
Look, Darwinian evolution, specifically a theory of evolution which has ANY scientific rigor, accuracy, or explanatory power, is by no means age-old knowledge. Don't go running around saying the people that conflated the ancient Sumerian and Canaanite sky fairies understood modern science and expect there to be a passive audience. Furthermore, even if they had some vague concept of biological evolution, the scientific theory is necessarily atheistic, i.e., without a guiding deity
"Sky fairies"? You're a very offensive individual, but I would expect no more from a heathen. The fact of the matter -- like it or lump it -- is that they believed in evolution.
Or...maybe the fact of the matter is that they had an emerging ontological explanation which resembles the Theory of Evolution, but it was really nothing as refined or correct as the modern theory.
I have no problem giving credit to them for getting the ball rolling in the right direction, but to put ancient peoples who completely misunderstood the functions of our anatomy and completely failed at chemistry on the same level as modern biological researchers is an inexcusable blunder to me.
I just remembered...Carl Sagen wrote about it, actually, in his book to the Cosmos series. I forget the actual individual's name, though.
I don't live in this strange worldview you seem to, where you have to memorize where you read something just in case some person who hasn't studied the subject doesn't believe you.
I live in a strange worldview [sic] where evidence is required to substantiate unfamiliar ideas? Funny, I thought that was called academia - and why is that strange to someone on Randy's channel?
Why did you 'sic' my use of the term 'worldview'? It is not an error.
In academia, people don't tend to put you on the spot and ask you to prove basic facts that anyone who had bothered to study the topic would already know. If you asked a historian to PROVE Martin Luther was born in 1483 do you seriously think they could cite a primary source? On the other hand, someone who actually had a clue would already know when Luther was born. The same goes for Greek belief in evolution.
I used it for the phrase "...you live in a strange worldview". You don't live in a worldview, smart one, you prescribe to a worldview or you live your life according to one - you can't live in a view.
Secondly, you're damn straight I expect a historian studying Martin Luther to give me the records from the town in medieval Germany where he was born less than 600 years ago.
Excuse me for not knowing the obvious. Guess I missed it in the 0 philosophy of evolution courses I took...
Do you seriously think everyone has access to those records, or that anyone even kept any? Most of what we know of Luther came from his Table Talks, and they're full of errors.
"Philosophy of evolution"? Yes, I am surprised that such a class wouldn't teach the glaringly obvious historical roots of evolution. It didn't start with Darwin at all. The current theory does not exclude God, and if you think it does then you grossly misunderstand it.
Randy! Thank you for this response. I did not grow up as a fundie, but had a brief stint as an evangelical in my 20s. I agree that science is perfectly compatible with religion, and it's unfortunate that they create such a dichotomy. I know what you mean about betrayal, it's the reason I left organized religion as well. And Christians think get an automatic out for not practicing what they preach by their doctrine of self-loathing hipocricy? I don't think so. =)
About your second reason, that's why I never took religions seriously, great principals and very bad applications. Anyhow religions are the worse enemy of spirituality. When I go trough evolution i never ignore spirituality. The spirit (Brain wave or whatever) is basicaly the source of our growing curiosity, and by that, the essence of our scientific mind. If a Church is a Temple, and the Temple his our body, well religions are just false representators. lol! Salut camarade!
Great vid and I have to say a complete surprise in relation to your reasons. I would have had you pegged as a pure science, reason, logic, materialist, reductionist argument atheist.
I have to be honest with you, Randy! Those are lame reasons to become an atheist, or at least to be one. ;-)) You once again confirmed with your top 2 that people don't believe in God not because of some intellectual reasons but because of simple and common things like betrayal or lie.
I myself believed in evolution but disbelieved after reading stuff after becoming a Christian. I still think that it takes way more faith to be an evolutionist than to be a theist...
lol...well, I guess that's another way to call someone illiterate ;-)
On the side - I looked at your profile and you seem to like Dawkins. And if you are convinced by his arguments then I have to return the compliment after all. :P
Actually I think God doesn't agree with me. I said that because most atheists I hear say that it's for the sake of remaining sane that they are what they are. I guess you could call that hypocrisy of theirs....
Good answers. However, you totally ruined a series I was going to do! :( I hope to ask several subscribers of mine, in video, specific questions, and yours would have been why you went atheistic. See, since you're really brilliant and always seem to need perfect arguments to be persuaded one way or the other, I was going to ask what it was that converted you to atheism, but you ruined it! GAH!
Actually, yes. Many arguments are perfect to dispel particular claims. They may not be "perfect" in that there is no way they can be proven wrong, however, they can be perfect for the task of dispelling this or that myth if they have enough truth.
Thanks for this post. I hope you don't mind that I used it in my sermon. Very inspiring!
pdanlee 2 years ago
Randy, it's a shame that your entire theory of atheism is based on other people. You keep saying you feel betrayed, and you don't see people acting the way they should if they were really Christians, and to an extent, I agree. Christians are bad examples though. Try not to place you faith base on other human beings, everyone will let you down.
AKG4life 2 years ago
Hi AKG4life, think about it this way: suppose I came up to you and said I've seen the true god: her name is "Janesus". she was a homless person who was killed by the government a few years back because the government said she was actively waging war against america. But then she came back from the dead, and appeared to her followers and told them THE ONE TRUE RELIGION. If we follow that religion, we can solve all the world's evils. You are interested enough to investigate this group (cont)
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
(cont) Since Janesus came back from the dead, they started calling her "Janesus Christy" and they call themselves "Christyians". You find that these Christyians talk a good game--they say that the meek will inherit the earth, that people should sell everything they have and give it to the poor, etc. But their behavior is quite different! In reality, they are no better and no worse than any other group of people. When you point this out, they say "don't place your faith in people" (cont)
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
(cont) place your faith in Christy. Christyians are imperfect, but Christy is perfect. Would you feel particularly inclined to join in with the Christyians??
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
Evolution is true
bnbalenda 2 years ago
That's quite sad randy
facilisdescenus 3 years ago
religion was created to control people without being there,if you do this and that you will burn in hell forever.control people with fear of shit that will never happen.
tonyserporno 3 years ago
I believe in God. Nothing will change that.
terrancepimps 3 years ago
You can belive in a flat earth if it makes you happy....doesnt mean its true...
Nightmeare 2 years ago
Hi, just in case you want to repost this to me, you have to post it to one of your other videos first. The link was broken when I closed my account. Sorry for the trouble.
lirpa69 3 years ago
Thanks, I tried to repost it when I saw your vids were back, but couldn't figure out how to...
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
stupid creationists, EVOLUTION IS SCIENTIFIC FACT (at least in this plane of reality). 90%, eh? sounds like there's a correlation between how much of our brain we use and theists/atheists
chessdawgz 3 years ago
so your a teacher, or something?????
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
what do you normally use it for?
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
as a memento mori.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
was it expensive?
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
Nah. its not a very accurate model. There's an online store (google for skullduggery) which sells more realistic models which are in the $115.00 range.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
where you get the skull?
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
LOL its a funny story. I bought it off of ebay, and had it shipped to my work address (I was working for Intel at the time) because I was moving and didn't have a permanent address yet. So Intel must x-ray all of their incomming mail, because I got a call from Intel Security--they asked me if I was expecting a package containing any "unusual or irregular contents" :-) Me and my colleages had a laugh. One of them dubbed the skull "Yorrick" and the name stuck :-)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
To your point 2: Just because people say "im christian" or "I believe in god" that doesn't mean they live up to it. You would obviously think that christianity only works to those who live what they say they believe. reality is that Any one can believe in god; even a murder. The bible says demons believe in god... I understand what you mean abuot "if most people" lived like a christian, then there would be less problems; but really think about what your saying. no offense.
j0espace 3 years ago
Hi j0espace, try to put yourself in my position. Say you lived in a country where 90% of the population was a different religion from you--say they were all mistians :-) Mistians believed that some woman named Misty died and rose again, and they therefore they worshiped Misty like a God. However, almost none of them do anything Misty told them to do. Misty said "blessed are the peacemakers" but that country was always at war. (cont)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
(cont, to J0espace) Misty said "Sell all your goods and give them to the poor" but that country had one of the largest gaps between rich and poor in the world. Etc. Would you feel any desire to become a Mystian? Suppose you asked one of them why, in a country where 90% of the people are Mistians, you can't really find anybody who does what Misty said to do---suppose they said the same thing to you about Mistianity that you said to me about Christianity: (cont)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
(cont, to J0espace) Suppose they said "well, just because somebody says they believe in Misty doesn't mean they live up to it. Anybody can believe in Misty, even a murderer. Heck, the devils believe in Misty. Think about what you are saying, no offence." Now how plausible do you think it would seem to you that Mistianity was anything but the most pathetic excuse for a false religion there ever was???
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
2) My point is, that the intention for you statement seems as an excuse to negate god's existence, but just because the majority of people say "I believe in God" doesn't mean they all practice there believes, so your statement don't seem valid enough to negate God's existence.
j0espace 3 years ago
3) For example, the majority of people on earth believe that eating fruits and vegetables helps you live longer; if they all believe in it, why are there fat people around the world if this is not the expected outcome? If this was true then there would be less fat people right?...
j0espace 3 years ago
4) Does this negate the statement of "eating fruits and vegetable helps you live longer"? No. This just means that people choose NOT to eat fruits and vegetables, although the majority of people still believe in the product.
j0espace 3 years ago
1) Ok, let say Misty did say "Blessed are the peace makers" but the believers on that country were always on war... Now, let say I'm a big Misty believer! However, I still love violence so violence is the road I chose to take. So, does NOT following "Misty's" rule disqualify me from being a Misty believer? Or is it possible to be a Misty believer but just a disobedient one? I have friends that say "I believe in God Existence" but their actions never reflect there believes and they admit it...
j0espace 3 years ago
Hi j0espace, oh, I'm not questioning that they believe in Misty. I'm questioning whether Misty exists. From their behavior, I can only conclude that Mistianity is a false religion.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
Lets say Misty did exist and everyone believed in Misty but peoples behavior didint reflect it because they live against Misty word "rules"... Misty only reflects in peoples lives who obey. This is why i say this is not a valid way of negating god's existance... "Your basically saying people believe in a God of peace, but they dont have peace". But remember that not only cause they believe means they follow they follow the rules. Way to find out is, find someone that does follow the rules.
j0espace 3 years ago
Ok. I actually am a Misterian myself. You will go to hell if you don't believe. :-) So do you believe in Misty now?
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
This is a totally different approach from the one you descrived on your cool video on reason 2. I said I disagreed with what you said on reason 2. Now that you said "im misty" thats when it comes to faith, and that when living by your rules opens doors to salvation right? But in the "christian" world there are actually miracles that people experience. Can you perform miracles?... See? This is what differientiates you from a god that does perform miracles.
j0espace 3 years ago
I never said that I was misty, I said that I was a Mistian. And just because I pray to Misty and she doesn't answer my prayers the way I want them answered, doesn't mean she's not listenting to them! I don't understand why you don't believe in Misty, she's been so good to me. Everytime I was in need, Misty was there to see me through.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
your awsome! bad christians!
ancientprotecter 3 years ago
LOL thanks ancientprotecter :-)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
Hey Randy,
Did you know that Homo Erectus had decent sea-faring abilities, buried their dead, and used ceremonial dye? I've heard of evolutionary anthropologists that think h. erectus and neandertal are h. sapiens and some that think that all three interbreeded.
Also, the volume of the skull is within the range of variation of ours.
heyalun 3 years ago
"...some that think that all three interbreeded."
"interbred"
heyalun 3 years ago
Show me a Homo Erectus skull with a vaulted forehead.
ryanisfootdrums 3 years ago
Why? If there were one, it probably wouldn't be called homo eretus. Look in the mirror.
heyalun 3 years ago
I agree.
ryanisfootdrums 3 years ago
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All people are, to paraphrase Dawkins, all atheists. Those who believe in Zeus as god think that those who don't believe in Zeus are atheists. Christians think that those who don't believe in Christ are atheists. Muslims think that those who don't believe in Allah are atheists. So in short, all people are in one way or another atheists.
obalajadia 3 years ago
Yorick speaks from the grave.
Brainmold 3 years ago
Anyway, I notice you didn't question whether the Hebrew sages taught it.
Read
myjewishlearning . com/ideas_belief/science/Creation/Inflation/Kook.htm
thorkyll 3 years ago
No thanks. I have no use for the supposed history of Judaism. You do realize that there is an incredibly low probability that Judaism (as a unique, codified religion) is even as old as the supposed Exodus from Egypt (which is also historically spurious), don't you? I suggest studying ancient levantine archeology and sociology. I can even point you to a few sources on the origins of Judaism, since I wrote a paper on it for my philosophy class last semester.
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
Great video!
SpiritualAtheist 3 years ago
Oh, Randy. I've noticed a significant difference in personal morality between theists and non-theists since leaving the fairy-believers (and becoming a fairy :D): non-theists don't hate sex. That alone has definitely made the transition worth it for me ^_^
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
LOL that's been my experience as well :)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
You people all have this warped view of God inherited from Christianity. It's no wonder you're atheists.
thorkyll 3 years ago
make some vids about God.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
I will.
For starters, the ancient Hebrew sages believed in evolution, that we started off from lower animal lifeforms, and that only once these developed to a certain point did God imbue with with a divine soul. The Romans and Greeks believed in evolution too, and so the idea that evolution is this new factor which has disproven God is historically inaccurate.
thorkyll 3 years ago
Incidentally, the pre-Abrahamic part of the book of Genesis has always been understood as a mystical text, not literal. That is where Christians are in error, and it's why so many Atheists have a field day attacking it.
thorkyll 3 years ago
So we're to believe that the people who thought the brain was your body's air-conditioner (i.e., the ancient Greeks) had a theory of evolution before Darwin? Citations?
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
iep . utm . edu/e/evolutio.htm
thorkyll 3 years ago
Actually, forget that website. If I recall correctly there was a reference to it in Plato's Last Days of Socrates. I don't make it a habit to memorize these things. My area of knowledge is in Jewish religion, not Greek. I'm sure any encyclopedia entry on evolution will mention the some of the Greek philosophers believed in it.
thorkyll 3 years ago
Don't need to get all defensive, geez. Turns out you were right, apparently the ancient Greeks had some proto-evolutionary ideas...but that doesn't put them anywhere near "believing in evolution", especially not in the sense we discuss the Theory of Evolution in its present state.
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
Just because they didn't subscribe to the current version of evolution does not mean they didn't believe in evolution. I am referring to the ontological -- rather than current ideological -- meaning of the term. My point still stands. Evolution is not a new concept, and it certainly doesn't support the ideology of atheism.
thorkyll 3 years ago
Look, Darwinian evolution, specifically a theory of evolution which has ANY scientific rigor, accuracy, or explanatory power, is by no means age-old knowledge. Don't go running around saying the people that conflated the ancient Sumerian and Canaanite sky fairies understood modern science and expect there to be a passive audience. Furthermore, even if they had some vague concept of biological evolution, the scientific theory is necessarily atheistic, i.e., without a guiding deity
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
"Sky fairies"? You're a very offensive individual, but I would expect no more from a heathen. The fact of the matter -- like it or lump it -- is that they believed in evolution.
thorkyll 3 years ago
Or...maybe the fact of the matter is that they had an emerging ontological explanation which resembles the Theory of Evolution, but it was really nothing as refined or correct as the modern theory.
I have no problem giving credit to them for getting the ball rolling in the right direction, but to put ancient peoples who completely misunderstood the functions of our anatomy and completely failed at chemistry on the same level as modern biological researchers is an inexcusable blunder to me.
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
I just remembered...Carl Sagen wrote about it, actually, in his book to the Cosmos series. I forget the actual individual's name, though.
I don't live in this strange worldview you seem to, where you have to memorize where you read something just in case some person who hasn't studied the subject doesn't believe you.
thorkyll 3 years ago
I live in a strange worldview [sic] where evidence is required to substantiate unfamiliar ideas? Funny, I thought that was called academia - and why is that strange to someone on Randy's channel?
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
Why did you 'sic' my use of the term 'worldview'? It is not an error.
In academia, people don't tend to put you on the spot and ask you to prove basic facts that anyone who had bothered to study the topic would already know. If you asked a historian to PROVE Martin Luther was born in 1483 do you seriously think they could cite a primary source? On the other hand, someone who actually had a clue would already know when Luther was born. The same goes for Greek belief in evolution.
thorkyll 3 years ago
I used it for the phrase "...you live in a strange worldview". You don't live in a worldview, smart one, you prescribe to a worldview or you live your life according to one - you can't live in a view.
Secondly, you're damn straight I expect a historian studying Martin Luther to give me the records from the town in medieval Germany where he was born less than 600 years ago.
Excuse me for not knowing the obvious. Guess I missed it in the 0 philosophy of evolution courses I took...
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
Unlike you, I *DO* live out my worldview.
thorkyll 3 years ago
Do you seriously think everyone has access to those records, or that anyone even kept any? Most of what we know of Luther came from his Table Talks, and they're full of errors.
"Philosophy of evolution"? Yes, I am surprised that such a class wouldn't teach the glaringly obvious historical roots of evolution. It didn't start with Darwin at all. The current theory does not exclude God, and if you think it does then you grossly misunderstand it.
thorkyll 3 years ago
And it´s the christians that claim evilutionists have a conspiracy. :D
Itslvle 3 years ago
Yorick! Nice Shakespeare reference :)
TheReaderReport 3 years ago
Randy! Thank you for this response. I did not grow up as a fundie, but had a brief stint as an evangelical in my 20s. I agree that science is perfectly compatible with religion, and it's unfortunate that they create such a dichotomy. I know what you mean about betrayal, it's the reason I left organized religion as well. And Christians think get an automatic out for not practicing what they preach by their doctrine of self-loathing hipocricy? I don't think so. =)
lirpa69 3 years ago
About your second reason, that's why I never took religions seriously, great principals and very bad applications. Anyhow religions are the worse enemy of spirituality. When I go trough evolution i never ignore spirituality. The spirit (Brain wave or whatever) is basicaly the source of our growing curiosity, and by that, the essence of our scientific mind. If a Church is a Temple, and the Temple his our body, well religions are just false representators. lol! Salut camarade!
Boucrate 3 years ago
Great vid and I have to say a complete surprise in relation to your reasons. I would have had you pegged as a pure science, reason, logic, materialist, reductionist argument atheist.
I guess there is hope for you yet :)
ballyboneman 3 years ago
Poor Homo Erectus, he can't help that he had smaller brains than you Randy. What mean thing to do, picking on a transitional fossil.
andrewrberkshire 3 years ago 2
LOL!!! I've already had my windshields egged by the Geico cavemen...
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
Those guys are amazingly spiteful! You'd better watch out! Also your second reason was really good, it's not something you hear brought up too often.
andrewrberkshire 3 years ago
Thanks for the lesson on homo erectus!
farvision 3 years ago
I have to be honest with you, Randy! Those are lame reasons to become an atheist, or at least to be one. ;-)) You once again confirmed with your top 2 that people don't believe in God not because of some intellectual reasons but because of simple and common things like betrayal or lie.
As to CEOs, I know a few who are Christian ;-)
valyok 3 years ago
I myself believed in evolution but disbelieved after reading stuff after becoming a Christian. I still think that it takes way more faith to be an evolutionist than to be a theist...
valyok 3 years ago
no, it only takes education.
farvision 3 years ago
lol...well, I guess that's another way to call someone illiterate ;-)
On the side - I looked at your profile and you seem to like Dawkins. And if you are convinced by his arguments then I have to return the compliment after all. :P
valyok 3 years ago
Hi valyok, I'm sure God agrees with you that these are lame reasons to become an atheist :-) Still I hope you never feel as betrayed as I feel.
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
Actually I think God doesn't agree with me. I said that because most atheists I hear say that it's for the sake of remaining sane that they are what they are. I guess you could call that hypocrisy of theirs....
valyok 3 years ago
@3:40 What the... does Ben Stein know about this?
urbanelf 3 years ago
Good answers. However, you totally ruined a series I was going to do! :( I hope to ask several subscribers of mine, in video, specific questions, and yours would have been why you went atheistic. See, since you're really brilliant and always seem to need perfect arguments to be persuaded one way or the other, I was going to ask what it was that converted you to atheism, but you ruined it! GAH!
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
hahaha you gotta be pretty fast to beat April :-)
randyhelzerman 3 years ago
"perfect arguments"
Do such things exist?
Mjhavok 3 years ago
Actually, yes. Many arguments are perfect to dispel particular claims. They may not be "perfect" in that there is no way they can be proven wrong, however, they can be perfect for the task of dispelling this or that myth if they have enough truth.
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
Well done, Randy. ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago