I like your comment , simple big scientist r not interested. I hope your video sends a message to everyone. That is people can sustain themselves with knowledge. In 10 years people will become the real survivors. With or without money. The sustainers on this planet will be the ones that have the knowledge to renew Gods free rescources.
@mad4us The bicycle pump was used in a demo of how low pressure airlift pumps work with "Plug flow".
So, it was not part of a working pulser pump, just the airlift demo. I made that clip in about 2001 and there was no other clips about plug flow airlift on the internet at the time. At that time, everyone showed airlift pumps that worked by the air bubbles making a very deep column of fluid less dense. Most people do not even know plug flow airlift exists until they see this video.
@GraceFrankHerman I don't really have general building instructions. It is just too broad of a subject to do that. If you send me some info about your site and what you want to do, perhaps I can help
Thanks for the video, firstly. On the high side, does the water need to stay at a consistent height? (To keep the inlet pipe close to the surface for air?) What kind of play do you have? And also, what is the ratio of inlet and outlet/pump pipes? I would imagine that both outlets need to equal the inlet volume. And it seems that maybe it's close to 10: 1: 9
Meaning inlet is 10 square inches (area of inside diameter) pump is 1, and outlet is 9.
i used something similar for vertical gardening. it's called the bell principal.Using a small aquarium air pump with a hose leading into the bottom of a water reservoir and loosely fitted into a larger hose leading up to the top of the gardening containers, the water is pushed up the larger hose and waters my veggies.
nice idea. no wires to run, just a supply of running water. I'm sure there is a lot of room to improve the design in new innovative ways. I'm thinking the inlet and the main down-spout that pulls the air bubbles down is probably the most critical part. the more bubbles make it to the bottom, the more power the pump has. first thought, try filling the inside of the large pipe with a bunch of smaller pipes suspended inside it the entire length. this might give it more vertical guidance.
another thought, you don't show much of the inlet in your video. what depth range works best? an idea that comes to me, a large floating funnel just below the surface a few inches. gulp up lots of air. if it wasn't 1:30am, I'd go out to buy some parts to do some experiments!
@mattsoftnet I show a method to control the water flow and shut off water on the "tripod" site. I let in LESS AIR! Then the Water speeds up and actually sucks in more air! This method works well. It is not as simple as "gulp in lots of air" but the beautiful thing is that it is self regulating. If there is not enough air getting in, the water speeds up and "sucks' in more air. Too much and the water slows down until all that air gets to the bottom and out into the chamber. Brian
@mattsoftnet Yes the smaller pipes might work a bit better. But they might block a lot easier with small leaves, or acorns Too! In any case, When I did that back in the late 1980's in Ireland, the large pipe was much cheaper than a bunch of small pipes. Most people are scared off because there is no official research on this thing, (so no trustable guidelines) and you dig deep beside the river.
Check out the pulser pump nano! Easier and it has never been attempted!
@mark1952able Yes, you must have head and flow. Minimum head for this is about half meter (1 and a half ft) and minimum flow is about 250 litres per minute or about 65 US gallons per minute. This was my proof of concept and I never expected it to last so long.
I think a much more useful pump would be twice the head and 2 or 3 times the flow. There is potential on a very small scale with the "pulser pump nano" (Suggested by a friend), partly tested, much more to do.
Gave you 2 thumbs up! Excellent way to move water up hill. BUT PLEASE... can you edit and re-upload the video, and this time level out the audio. My wife had a mild heart attack because I had the volume up all the way to hear you whispering, and then with no warning the sound exploded. next thing you know Im calling an ambulance. Good water pump but I wou;d hate for another older person to be scared or hurt by the rapid volume changes. ;)
Live Steam Magazine made mention of this type of pump as being used in mining operations in the 19th century. As I recall, the article, published in the 1970s (?) was mainly focussed on the hydraulic ram type pump and this pneumatic type got a brief mention.
@Lotusrk123 Hi, thanks for the comment, it is not quite the same as the old pneumatic pumps. They went very deep, used the lower specific gravity of bubbly water to pump and generated high pressure air. This goes only a few meters down, uses plug flow or slug flow to pump and generates low pressure air. I have yet not found a confirmed report of them using the pneumatic tromp to pump water. Instead they seemed to have used it to power machines. So if you have info, let us know!
what happens if the pipe that draws bubbles travel sideways after dropping from the catch..that might reduce slowing down you think? i am thinking fish tank style to make bubbles. i want to make one to draw water up a hill, from a bottom storage tank to a top storage tank. the bottom tank will drop into the pulser tank bringing air/water mix into it and then pressurize to shoot pulses to the top tank like a water gun...
@corsycle Basically it is like a waterfall. Water falls over the edge of a waterfall and accelerates as it falls under the influence of gravity. If it is high enough the water becomes spray mixed with air.
In a tube or pipe the acceleration happens too. Water is not expandable so something has to fill the gaps as it accelerates. If there was no air entry, the water would simply go faster and faster. The air bubbles capture some of the energy from the falling water and slows it down.
@MrAnomilus Unfortunately no official research agency or eco village or mainstream orgainzation has done anything about this. Ordinary people have to do all the research themselves! I have a pulser pump playlist that shows other people's work. One guy uses it to aerate a fishpond another used it to pump water for ducks, etc. There is probably a lot more going on. Sharing makes things easier and gets other people to join in but there are many reasons that people don't share.
I had made somethig like this to filter the water in my fishtank, and it wos powered by the airator bubling in a pipe wich went 10cm over the watertank level, trough the filter and than back in the tank airated and cleaned. I made it like that because it didnt require any moving parts and it didn't hurt the fish, even when it sucked one of them in the filter... still havent seen one patended! Oh and mine works by decreasing the dencity of the fluid in the pipe so the other fluid pushes it out.
@TheOriginalEviltech Well bubbling water brings oxygen to it, doing the opposite which is making a fountain like device removes oxygen from the water... this is probably why is not patented for fish tanks.
@Ramiromasters TheOriginalEviltech is oxygenating his water too. As long as there are bubbles in contact with the water, there is gas exchanged and there will be oxygenation.
This is very interesting to me, and I'd like to learn more about the science behind it, practical applications and more detailed procedures for producing them. Do you have a website or some files you could send out?
@SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC I think my tripod website has most information. If a university or private person or, company does some work on big pumps (I had only a tiny stream) I think they will post results on appropedia or wikipedia.
There is also a yahoo group about the pulser pump with some info in the files and photo,s sections. But I think you have to join to see anything. A search should bring all these sites up. (there may be more sites because the pump is a free idea.)
@guineapiggyman Another wiseguy. 10 years ago there were many of you. It was intimidating. Now that people have made these things on at least 3 continents (see youtube) and broken NO rules of physics, most of the wiseguys have fallen silent.
@gaiatechnician how am i a wiseguy? oh you mean how i went to college and studied physics and fluid dynamics for 6 yrs? oh. then yeah- youre right. all the ones that were made had to incorporate a starter engine, and a periodical primer callick (device) in order to work them. they were not made from the blueprints solely. so, yeah. nice move, clownshoes
@guineapiggyman Well, you must have missed a few classes over your 6 years. Poor you.
They didn't use a starter engine, or a clacker.
You are welcome to check some of the other people's videos. (Including one from Queens University, Ontario). One of them used see through tubes. (The guy in Cornwall England).
@gaiatechnician you and guineapiggyman are both right, it is possible to do it without any pumps, however the resulting pump will have such low efficiency that it would have no real-world application. Anyone serious about needing to pump water in usable quantities would install the parts guineapiggyman is talking about.
@enemyunit First of all "however the resulting pump will have such low efficiency that it would have no real-world application" . Where is the basis for your statement? Nobody currently knows the efficiency figures.
Also, my test pump was TINY in a place UNSUITABLE for water power, yet it pumped 4 to 5 TONNES per day of water to 10 ft high.
Suppose you have 2 tonnes per second flow in your river. How do you propose to install the parts? Suppose you havn't the money, how do you install them?
@gaiatechnician I'm kind of jumping into the middle of this, and haven't looked into pulsar pumps hardly at all, but this is a really interesting topic to me. Could I ask a question though, I'm curious what you were using your test pump for or what you think it could be used for. I mean is it very useful to have water pumped 10ft high even if it is "4 to 5 tons"?
@run0hard9 My test pump was in Ireland, I used it to pump water to sheep (5.5 m) higher and cattle (3 m higher)that were housed in sheds for the winter. I had another (smaller) one that I used to pump water to a garden and to sheep in another field. Basically,regulations were changed and farmers were not allowed to let their animals drink from rivers anymore. (because of cow poo and sheep poo getting in the rivers). The pump meant that they could still get the water without poo in the river.
@gaiatechnician Cool yeah I can see how that'd be useful. Thanks. How long did it take you to install one? I'm trying to think how that would be done where you basically have to have all of that installed "under" a creek.
@run0hard9 I dug a hole beside the stream. It took a while and it was hard work. You could check out the pulser pump nano idea and nano airlift pump ideas in my videos. It might mean that you don't need to go so deep. Maybe only 3 or 4 ft deep. It has never been tested. It should work but I have no idea of the economics of it.
@gaiatechnician Not many farmers want big% of their water to pass by the area they're wishing to irrigate. If the water is flowing around then it's likely getting closer and closer to "not my water anymore". Just a matter of how it works on flow and how a farmers goal is to retain water.
@gaiatechnician Which country is sane? They either take what they can, or take what they paid for, or don't plant. Whatever the case their goal is to retain as much water as physically possible. Thus the use of flow for the pump may preclude it for some if not many. Just a reality of motivations and desires.
@mryellow123 Well, you have a choice, you can use a cheap pulser pump and take some of the water or you can use an expensive pump and fuel and take all of the water. I think the realtiy of motivations and desires is that your neighbors and regulations will prevent you from taking all the water from a river. If you are nasty and take (steal) all the water, they will take nasty measures against you. like destroying your pump or crops or putting you in prison. (If your country has laws)
By the way, I have been told that Joseph Priestley used a trompe powering an airlift pump to pump water on some land that he owned. Is there any more info on this? Like place and date? Reason I ask is that Priestley died in Feb 1804 and the airlift pump was "invented" in Germany in 1797 (Carl Emanuel Löscher). Priestly was in the USA from 1794 on with failing health, family problems and little news from Europe. If he was using one before 1797, who invented it?
@blackjeffrey1 Fair Question, (apart from it working for other youtubers on 3 continents!). 2? years ago, wikipedia told me that it was not allowed on "Definitely not"! (because it is experimental, etc). I think all conversations on wikipedia are kept so you can check (I am user gaiatechnician there too).
But if you check now, there IS a junky entry about the pulser pump. By the way the wikipedia entry for airlift pump seems to be advertising for the patented geyser pump. Scam?
@gaiatechnician Sorry, after looking on wikipedia, I noticed that the pipe extends below the roof of the cavity. The pump does work with that (I didn't notice it before).
@blackjeffrey1 The geyser pump is a patented waste water pump. It uses an air compressor to pump the water but it is not an air lift pump. I think it has moving parts. I made "geysers" powered by the pulser pump. It was fun. The geyser pump is on the web and on youtube. I have had emails asking about the validity of its patent. (I am not a lawyer). A "biofueled pump" (the CO2 from yeast in beer making can run it.) is in my videos. Might be similar method to the geyser pump. Brian
@blackjeffrey1 Nope, it is not an airlift pump in the normal sense. Check out the biofueled pump in my videos because it probably uses something similar (but with a different type of regulation of air in and out). Other than that, just go to their geyser pump site for info.
@gaiatechnician The website I found seems to indicate it is essentially an improved version of the airlift pump. The Wikipedia article on the airlift pump has that, and the geyser pump (which is indicated as such).
@blackjeffrey1 If you look carefully at the Wikipedia airlift page, it looks like he ( Geyser website) wrote IT to drive visitors to HIS website! I don't know how Wikipedia editors missed that! In the normal sense, the geyser pump isn't an airlift pump at all. It has a big bottom chamber and airlift pumps don't have that. It looks like a piston pump to me. (Air acts as the piston). Join and ask Wikipedia directly on THAT PAGE in discussion. They are very helpful (within their rules). Brian
@gaiatechnician Not so sure about the guy writing it, but I see that he at least tried to promote his website. They found one thing about it and removed it, and I just removed the other link to his site.
That would depend on how you are defining an airlift pump. I would think the simplest answer would be a pump that uses air to push water up. But I guess that is a fairly poor definition.
Hey stfk every body ,what his trying is to let the third world know that no need to pay for water since mafias run the water supply in africa and charge ppl huge money.If your technique could be more developed, you will save a lot of lives a lot of charity organizers and Government will build a bigger one near the river and charge them reasonable/peanut price as no electricity needed and its manually pushing to feed the poor without this mafias.will cost cheaper then powered pump dickheads.
Hello video poster, How about ping pong balls or squash balls wich ever fits the high pressure pipe without resistance, filled to an even bouyancy of water, and at the top a screen so the water can go to a funnel to be collected and channel the balls back to the water in take. My name is Dave Pringle from Pleasant Gap, Pa USA Give a call if you wanna bounce ideas back and forth. 1-814-574-8109.
@davidjpringle I did something where I popped 1 inch or 2 inch styrofoam balls into a pipe that got low pressure air (only a foot pressure). It did increase liquid holdup dramatically but I never figured how to make it recur regularly and automatically. (The balls must maintain an even spacing or they will react/interfere with each other as they go up). It is not as easy as it sounds!
@liveuk It doesn't burst any bubbles. You have 42 uploads, how about one that shows one or 3 of your pumps?
That would be helpful.
Otherwise, people will think you are a fake and just making it up. Until I posted this video, most people thought it and I was a fake. (and that made me pretty mad). If you post it as a video response to this, you will get lots of views, I am sure.
@liveuk Hi, a Brumby pump is an airlift pump (without the trompe to power it). So it works with high air pressure from a compressor as a normal airlift pump.
The pumps I made use a trompe to make Low pressure air and then use plug flow or slug flow to use the power from the Low pressure air to pump water. So if you have that combo, (trompe powering low pressure airlift) you should definitely post it. Especially if it has worked since the 70's. Thanks,
@gaiatechnician Simply i will say the trompe is ancient the air pump to pump water is acient all this tech is old and many people build and use this tech in the third world many do it all the time including the Wirtz pump. That's all i am saying you have not found a NEW thing that's all I'm saying
@liveuk I welcome you finding a low pressure trompe optimized to POWER a low pressure airlift pump from the past. And I welcome you giving us figures for how much water a low pressure trompe powering a low pressure airlift pump can pump. Many people in the 3rd world are NOT building the things because they do NOT have the figures OR the example from the past. If you are living hand to mouth, you cannot gamble on it.
@gaiatechnician I work in Sierra leone "Freetown" I own therepublicofsierraleone com they dont let you put links I made a wirtz pump there for crops and I clean water by evaporating it and I also use air pumps there i build it out of scrap so they can copy me and build their own our site is no where near finished I also own hydro - gen co dot uk for a long time I build these and have no interest in your banter have fun and keep posting it's all good.
@liveuk Hi, a Brumby pump is an airlift pump (without the trompe to power it). So it works with high air pressure from a compressor as a normal airlift pump.
The pumps I made use a trompe to make Low pressure air and then use plug flow or slug flow to use the power from the Low pressure air to pump water. So if you have that combo, (trompe powering low pressure airlift) you should definitely post it. Especially if it has worked since the 70's. Thanks,
this is not rocket science, its a built in air lift on a hydrolic air compressor, yes i watched your video, and yes i have look those up before, as physics and mechanical engineering, are not only my major but a hoby, as well as the history of invention. and this was not lost, its just very inefficient, you can get more from the same head of water useing a water powered pump. it was just to wasteful and still is. thats why this went the way of the dodo
@1crazyfocker Did you know that the windowfarms project switched to low tech airlift (from aquarium air bubblers) a couple of years ago? The reason? Water pumps were way more expensive and kept burning out. (they found burnt out pumps to be wasteful). By the way, you can check efficiency for either Taylors or the Michigan trompe in an old engineering book in google books. Their efficiency was somewhere over 80%.
@gaiatechnician yeah i now about air lift, infact i use them in my green house. its a simple case of it takes more power to move water then air. but as for them burning out their water pumps, then they realy must have been doing something wrong..lol, hell a house well pump can last yrs. i have seen one go over 25yrs, it all depends i guess on brand, and whatch out for how they measured the efficiency back then not the same as today, but yes an air lift will always need less power,
on a side note, i am not downing your work, hell i completely understand, I am an inventor in my spare time, and get defensive over my ideas too. but it dont change facts. the main reason these went the way of the dodo is this, it's very inefficient, from this they used the same head of water to run a pump for air or water (30% to 250% gain) it just didnt stand a chance. but its still cool that you thought of it with out knowing.
Many thanks to people round the world who have made models and small scale pumps. I appreciate your efforts and I know that large scale testing of this is beyond the resources of ordinary people. But your efforts gave it a far higher profile and some day it WILL be independently tested and the results WILL become known! Want to do a cheap easy experiment that could be a "world saver"? I think the airlift pump "nano" is a good bet. How high can it pump? Nobody knows! Details on another vid
@gaiatechnician what are you talking about? it is known, these pumps have been around for over 500 yrs. hell they are in any first yr mechanical science book, i think i first learned of these in science class in 8th grade. they were used all over the world. just take some time to look it up. its not used much any more because a mechanical elecrtic/gas pump is cheaper (in the long term) and more effective. try reading "1800 mechanical movements devices and appliances", none of this is new.
@1crazyfocker The results for low pressure tromps are not know and certainly not available to the public. Show them to me if you know where they are. If they are known, why would Dr. Ricard Bosch i Tous
(in Spain) be working on them in 2008 !! as a potential 3rd world application at the university of Catalonia? In Catalonia, they were most used in the entire world, so if they didn't have figures a few years ago, what makes you think anyone else does? (Pdf of his work is on the net)
@gaiatechnician its simple. like all those HHO nuts, its old tech that has been replaced, fist by steam and then by gasoline. just start looking back into history, it was used all over the world. do a simple patent search, you will find it. and plus there is nothing new about somebody taken old tech and useing them in 3rd world contries. they do it all the time from digging wells, to pumps, to out houses, they use the old tech, since they were able to be used without gasoline.
@1crazyfocker Did you even read my previous post? You are going to have to do much better. Nobody was using low pressure trompes or low pressure airlift pumps. (Dr. Ricard Bosch i Tous was researching them just 3 years ago). And there are no figures available about how good or bad low pressure airlift pumps or trompes can be. This is because of people like you making assumptions and not bothering to check in detail. Back up your "its simple" with something real.
@gaiatechnician like my first statement "books", and like my other statement in the patent office, the air lift pumps were uses a lot in mining, they would use muti steps, for raiseing the water over hights greater then the total hydrostatic pressure (Puhle's compound air lift) then you have Tylor's system for hydrolic air compression, do a little searching for your self and you will see that there is no "charts" as ever system is different but i can give you the simple rule
the pressure of the air supply must be greater then the hydrostatic pressure of the water at the bottom of the pipe, and in quantities sufficient to make the ascending column of air and water in the flow pipe lighter in its total height than the weight of an equal column of solid water of the depth of the well from the surface or the water to the bottom of the pipe.
the information is out there just have to look in the right place.
@1crazyfocker Very good. That's normal airlift. Not the plug flow version.
Now, you go look up plug flow and slug flow. And see how much of the research on slug flow and plug flow is from this century. (Just search pdf files for 2 phase fluid flow). Tylor in your previous post is Taylor. If you had watched the video, it has animations to show how plug flow and slug flow work. But, you clearly didn't and you don't.
@gaiatechnician wow, it's clear that you just dont want to think that anyone had thought of this before, even tho you state "lost". like i just said, i am not downing your work, but the infos out there. and since you have to resort to complaining about typos then it clearly shows that this is annoying you. and since i am not a troll i will just quite, but it was "lost" because it cant stand up even to a simple water powered pump.
@1crazyfocker I know people thought of airlift and trompe before I did. Work continues on plug flow and slug flow in research labs because it isn't fully understood. You are welcome to try to get a "simple water powered pump" to work with less than 2 ft of head. You are also welcome to come back 20 years later and check if it still works. How efficient is it, if it is broken?
I don't mind your spelling mistakes, I make lots myself. But it is hard to search if the names are wrong.
@1crazyfocker I know people thought of airlift and trompe before I did. Work continues on plug flow and slug flow in research labs because it isn't fully understood. You are welcome to try to get a "simple water powered pump" to work with less than 2 ft of head. You are also welcome to come back 20 years later and check if it still works. How efficient is it, if it is broken?
I don't mind your spelling mistakes, I make lots myself. But it is hard to search if the names are wrong.
@gaiatechnician true true. i agree 20 years later the pump with no moveing part (as long as it does not get gunked up or air lock) would still be working. but dont forget the history of this, or the airlift pump by it self. it main use was for water removal, not for "pump" for use or drinking or anything. plus it needs a set water level that could easly stop the air flow, compared to a water wheel as an example. if i needed a pond filled and time was not an issue sure i would use this or a ram.
oh come on dont turn into one of those ppl. plug flow and slug flow is understood. ask anyone with a dagree in fluid dynamics. thats almost as bad as those ppl that say "even science does not know how magnets work" you seem like a smart fellow, take a little time to read a few books on fluid dynamics. hell i have only done a few classes on fluid dynamics but i bet you can find it in there.
the pressure of the air supply must be greater then the hydrostatic pressure of the water at the bottom of the pipe, and in quantities sufficient to make the ascending column of air and water in the flow pipe lighter in its total height than the weight of an equal column of solid water of the depth of the well from the surface or the water to the bottom of the pipe.
the information is out there just have to look in the right place.
the info is out there, you just have to look in the right place. remember back then just like now, when someone patents something there are tons of other ppl who want a piece of that pie the makes one little change (but still the same thing) and patents it, BTW I never assume anything, and since i could find this and you could not i find your last comment funny as hell. the patent office is a great place to start any search.
@budz1031 I think it is safe for fishes because it oxygenates the exit water. There were many stonefly larvae in the water near the exit and hardly any in the rest of the little stream. Stonefly larvae need well oxygenated water. If your pulser pump went really deep (probably 20 or 30 ft deep) then you "might" start to have an issue with too much nitrogen gas dissolved in the exit water. Science, engineering and pipe makers has shown just over zero interest in the pump, so we don't know yet.
The potential energy of water at a high elevation produces kinetic energy when it falls to a lower elevation for example hydroelectric power. I have a very old book showing an air compressor using falling water as the only moving part that powered equipment in a mine so it is no surprise that water can be pumped using the compressed air produced by this device.
@packrat541 You are pretty much correct. I am not going to pretend that this is really efficient but in many cases cheap, simple, DIY and reliable beats efficient. (Especially when the people have very little money to spend).
I liked your video and really like where ever you made it. It's quite beautiful.
To improve the pump making it less sensitive to water level. I thought of a swimming pool strainer basically - the input requires some air be introduced into the system to work so the inlet side needs to be at just the right depth to suck a little bit of air. If you have a floating bucket that moves up and down with the water level then put notches in the rim to regulate the amount of water. Good luck!
@PBates123 I have a tripod website about the pulserpump (no links allowed here, I think). On that site, I show something over the water entry area which worked well. I intended it as a shutoff valve but it was more useful than that. It is a flat piece of plastic with a half inch rigid plastic pipe running through it. . The pipe was to anchor it and to let air in when it suddenly shuts (prevent vacuum) but it also allowed the water to go higher and still let air in. Your idea should work too.
I understand how the pump works. I can see how it would have some serious drawbacks in terms of reliability under different flow rates and water levels that would be found in the real world. The bubble flow seems to be a limiting factor, as does the diameter of the up pipe. The ram pump does have a few moving parts, but its still very reliable for developing areas.
@htomerif do you understand that it is not really competing with the ram pump? With my level of technology (when I was in my early 20's), I made this thing. I also tried and failed to make a ram pump in the same situation. That was in the real world and it still worked 20 years later. And that was just a test run! I recently did experiments that suggest that a nano pulser pump could be effective. I do not understand why "real" science is too pig headed to test and trial run the things.
@gaiatechnician *sigh* you're talking about a pump for livestock, irrigation or developing nations that operates on small height displacements of water, is mechanically simple and easy to maintain. Those are all the things the ram pump is designed to do. Don't get me wrong, I think its actually a pretty ingenious pump, but it does have its problems. Like I said (or meant to) maintaining a consistent bubble stream in all water conditions would be hard, and the up pipe size is limiting.
@htomerif "sigh" yourself. All pumps have their problems. I have spoken to a missionary who hated ram pumps. He didn't find them easy to maintain at all. He ended up with an expensive broken junk of steel in the middle of nowhere. The pulser pump doesn't need a constant bubble stream. Why don't you and others who love ram pumps go back to them and redesign them to compress air too? Then you can use the compressed air to pump water elsewhere, to run tools, cooling, etc.
@LastCynicStanding Is that some kind of projection? I started off actually liking the idea for this pump, but when I mentioned some of the problems it would have for being practical, and why it hasn't been adopted by any industry, this person just didn't want to listen. Now I'm forced to agree with the first comment I read, that he's just complaining of a crackpot conspiracy of "big science" not comprehending his miracle pump. and if that "thing" you mention is jesus, you can GFY.
I stick by my original statement. You can act like you are trying to help this guy if you want though. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Frankly I know anyone that goes around assuming people are talking about a religion that you have issues with to go fuck themselves might have a hard time sawing logs.
@htomerif There is no crackpot conspiracy. Science is paid work. If the politicians don't care about a particular sector, they just don't fund it ( scientists don't work for free). This kills research. With no independent testing, some people say the pump is crap and others say it's great but nobody really knows. Trompes were invented in Italy about 500 years ago, and disappeared about 100 years ago. Cheap small bore pipes, about 50 years old? the combination was never tried!
Unfortunately, this video is just a rambling, content-free sequence of segments that never fully explain the theory of operations. I would have been interested in what you have to say because I am already familiar with similar techniques (eg, hydraulic ram) and I am definitely an advocate of small-scale low-tech approaches like these Here's hoping you produce a video that's informative instead of just being a vehicle for your whining (whinging?) about how Big Science doesn't revere you...
@flizbarg Ordinary People have responded to this video by making their own pumps and demo's in England, USA, Canada and Indonesia and they have put their videos on youtube. I would suggest that you watch their videos instead of trying to understand 2 phase flow theory. For starters, 2 phase flow theory isn't complete and what is known of it is extremely complex. Why not just make a nano pulser pump, and post your results while we wait for Big Science to wake up?
@imtotob Ram pumps are useful too but they have at least 1 moving part. This pump can also extract energy from low head - large flow sources and it does not produce water hammer. It is lower tech than ram pumps and that is also useful in certain situations where repair might be an issue. Brian
@mariogabrielg I would argue that no venturi effect is needed in this device. The tromp section just needs acceleration due to gravity to suck down bubbles. No narrowing of the pipe is needed. Thanks Brian
@toddwolcott The height depends on several factors. Size of pipes, depth of the pump etc. I have another video "Nano Airlift pump demo. Nobody knows how high it can pump! Can YOU help find the answer?" ( shows that you can go to at least 13 ft high with just enough pressure to push air 1 meter under water!) Someone else has got to 16 ft with that tiny pressure and it might be that you can go 20 or 30 ft with low pressure. My pulser pump went at least 10 meters ( very slow at that height)
Hi gaiatechnichian this looks neat and possibly easier than building a hydram pump. Could you please respond because I am trying to pump water from a small shallow creek, which I can dam, and then use this pulser to water a small 1/2 acre garden. The creek is about 250 ft away with a small incline to the garden of about 6-7 ft. I am guessing this may work very well using 4 inch pvc and smaller diameter garden hose. The steady incline would push the water and air up
@cornifron It sounds doable but note that I dug a hole about 15 ft deep by hand. (Which is a crazy dangerous!, use machinery or at very least shore up the sides really well as you go down). Inclines are deceptive too. It might be more than 6 or 7 ft. I found that pumping straight up and letting it drain is better than pumping up an incline. Check out the nano pulser and nano airlift idea, if you try that, you may not need to dig so deep. Sadly, there is no research yet on nano pulser
Where are you based, I'm in T ipp, I'd love to have a go at installing one of those yokes. I have a decent sized stream but it is sunken about 8ft below the general surface of the land.
I learned a lot! I knew nothing about these pumps until I watched this vid. The animated diagrams were helpful. I'd like to see more of the display pump with clear hosing using the bike pump. Again. Cool!
@winnabego Thank you. If you want to learn and teach more, you can do my Nano airlift pump experiment! I made a "nano" airlift pump to test how high it could pump and basically I ran out of height.
I used an air bubbler from an aquarium, a little t joint to connect tubes and 3/16 inch tubes and tiny submergence (about 2 ft). It easily pumped to 13 ft high. It is on youtube. How high can it pump?
NOBODY KNOWS! Airlift pumps are not supposed to pump to 13 ft on 2ft submergence!
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like the spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes? Both of these would decrease flow resistance. What about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like the spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes? Both of these would decrease flow resistance. What about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like copper spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes. Both of these could decrease flow resistance. And about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
The pulser pump was nominated in a competition jn Austria, I was contacted and gave them the necessary details and winners etc to be announced in may 2011.
"Dear Participant of Prix Ars Electronica 2011,
Thank you very much for taking part in this year's CyberArts competition. We have received your entry (Pulser Pump World's simplest water power [the next idea]) for the Prix Ars Electronica 2011 competition." Thanks to whoever nominated it! Also a demo pump in indonesia is on utube, thanks
Cool, I could make a fountain like this.
CAPSLOCKISONDAMNIT 4 days ago
I like your comment , simple big scientist r not interested. I hope your video sends a message to everyone. That is people can sustain themselves with knowledge. In 10 years people will become the real survivors. With or without money. The sustainers on this planet will be the ones that have the knowledge to renew Gods free rescources.
mad4us 6 days ago
hey if there r no moving parts, what is that guy doing? looks like a bycicle pump he is using? So that is a moving part, am I wrong?
mad4us 6 days ago
@mad4us The bicycle pump was used in a demo of how low pressure airlift pumps work with "Plug flow".
So, it was not part of a working pulser pump, just the airlift demo. I made that clip in about 2001 and there was no other clips about plug flow airlift on the internet at the time. At that time, everyone showed airlift pumps that worked by the air bubbles making a very deep column of fluid less dense. Most people do not even know plug flow airlift exists until they see this video.
gaiatechnician 5 days ago
your voice is so calm its chilling
gfdgf2 1 week ago
Your YouTube text is cut off on 2/25/12. May I get a copy of building instructions? Thank you.
GraceFrankHerman 1 week ago
@GraceFrankHerman I don't really have general building instructions. It is just too broad of a subject to do that. If you send me some info about your site and what you want to do, perhaps I can help
Brian
gaiatechnician 1 week ago
Awh skeet skeet skeet...
seeinstripes 3 weeks ago
Thanks for the video, firstly. On the high side, does the water need to stay at a consistent height? (To keep the inlet pipe close to the surface for air?) What kind of play do you have? And also, what is the ratio of inlet and outlet/pump pipes? I would imagine that both outlets need to equal the inlet volume. And it seems that maybe it's close to 10: 1: 9
Meaning inlet is 10 square inches (area of inside diameter) pump is 1, and outlet is 9.
Could you clarify this for me? Thanks.
Asylumescapee69 1 month ago
i used something similar for vertical gardening. it's called the bell principal.Using a small aquarium air pump with a hose leading into the bottom of a water reservoir and loosely fitted into a larger hose leading up to the top of the gardening containers, the water is pushed up the larger hose and waters my veggies.
titanlurch 1 month ago
nice idea. no wires to run, just a supply of running water. I'm sure there is a lot of room to improve the design in new innovative ways. I'm thinking the inlet and the main down-spout that pulls the air bubbles down is probably the most critical part. the more bubbles make it to the bottom, the more power the pump has. first thought, try filling the inside of the large pipe with a bunch of smaller pipes suspended inside it the entire length. this might give it more vertical guidance.
mattsoftnet 1 month ago
another thought, you don't show much of the inlet in your video. what depth range works best? an idea that comes to me, a large floating funnel just below the surface a few inches. gulp up lots of air. if it wasn't 1:30am, I'd go out to buy some parts to do some experiments!
mattsoftnet 1 month ago
@mattsoftnet I show a method to control the water flow and shut off water on the "tripod" site. I let in LESS AIR! Then the Water speeds up and actually sucks in more air! This method works well. It is not as simple as "gulp in lots of air" but the beautiful thing is that it is self regulating. If there is not enough air getting in, the water speeds up and "sucks' in more air. Too much and the water slows down until all that air gets to the bottom and out into the chamber. Brian
gaiatechnician 1 month ago
@mattsoftnet Yes the smaller pipes might work a bit better. But they might block a lot easier with small leaves, or acorns Too! In any case, When I did that back in the late 1980's in Ireland, the large pipe was much cheaper than a bunch of small pipes. Most people are scared off because there is no official research on this thing, (so no trustable guidelines) and you dig deep beside the river.
Check out the pulser pump nano! Easier and it has never been attempted!
gaiatechnician 1 month ago
@mattsoftnet Do post your findings would like to use this to pump water in my Aquaponics set up.
KirstenLeahy 4 weeks ago
@KirstenLeahy i was thinking that tho the noise would drive me mad think wind power is the way forward
stevewright23 4 days ago
how is it supposed to pull air in?
MrTweetyhack 1 month ago
@MrTweetyhack nevermind, I see that you have it close to the surface
MrTweetyhack 1 month ago
Very cool!.....I just don't get it yet?.....Hydropower meaning that one must have water flow?
mark1952able 1 month ago
@mark1952able Yes, you must have head and flow. Minimum head for this is about half meter (1 and a half ft) and minimum flow is about 250 litres per minute or about 65 US gallons per minute. This was my proof of concept and I never expected it to last so long.
I think a much more useful pump would be twice the head and 2 or 3 times the flow. There is potential on a very small scale with the "pulser pump nano" (Suggested by a friend), partly tested, much more to do.
gaiatechnician 1 month ago
Gave you 2 thumbs up! Excellent way to move water up hill. BUT PLEASE... can you edit and re-upload the video, and this time level out the audio. My wife had a mild heart attack because I had the volume up all the way to hear you whispering, and then with no warning the sound exploded. next thing you know Im calling an ambulance. Good water pump but I wou;d hate for another older person to be scared or hurt by the rapid volume changes. ;)
1clinttorris 1 month ago
Live Steam Magazine made mention of this type of pump as being used in mining operations in the 19th century. As I recall, the article, published in the 1970s (?) was mainly focussed on the hydraulic ram type pump and this pneumatic type got a brief mention.
Lotusrk123 1 month ago
@Lotusrk123 Hi, thanks for the comment, it is not quite the same as the old pneumatic pumps. They went very deep, used the lower specific gravity of bubbly water to pump and generated high pressure air. This goes only a few meters down, uses plug flow or slug flow to pump and generates low pressure air. I have yet not found a confirmed report of them using the pneumatic tromp to pump water. Instead they seemed to have used it to power machines. So if you have info, let us know!
gaiatechnician 1 month ago
Good, I like that you share this video, I wish success always The pulser pump uses hydropower with no moving parts It is just pipes joined together
anakmudajaman 1 month ago
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You The pulser pump uses hydropower with no moving parts It is just pipes joined together
Ondelendo 1 month ago
I Really Like The Video From Your The pulser pump uses hydropower with no moving parts!
It is just pipes joined together.
imegatrone 1 month ago
Your Video Is Very Useful Sharing The pulser pump uses hydropower with no moving parts!
It is just pipes joined together
bundawartini 1 month ago
simple syphon effect
MrGreenReefer 1 month ago
can I get in contact with you please?
wouter_smekensatyahoodotcom
thanks!
anisuthideyakoindu 1 month ago
Cool pump!
danielvincentkelley 1 month ago
what happens if the pipe that draws bubbles travel sideways after dropping from the catch..that might reduce slowing down you think? i am thinking fish tank style to make bubbles. i want to make one to draw water up a hill, from a bottom storage tank to a top storage tank. the bottom tank will drop into the pulser tank bringing air/water mix into it and then pressurize to shoot pulses to the top tank like a water gun...
powersliding 1 month ago
Fascinating - thanks for pointing me to this, Brian.
jondeeca 1 month ago
are there any formulas you could share for making one diy?
Pratichetti 1 month ago
whats the greatest height it will pump? i have to reach 200 ft high. reduceing the line sizes maybe? any ideas.
jcjamin 1 month ago
I like it .I want to use in my country. How can I get it.
TALIB416 1 month ago
How can I get the worlds simlpest water pump in my country?
TALIB416 1 month ago
I've been wondering if the pulser pump might be the preferred method to generate power on Saturn's moon Titan. Any comments on this?
bisbeejim1 2 months ago
screw
johnrcoben 2 months ago
Brilliant, Brian!
(R)evolution - is simply keeping peaceful evolution in mind.
zen4men 2 months ago
@corsycle Basically it is like a waterfall. Water falls over the edge of a waterfall and accelerates as it falls under the influence of gravity. If it is high enough the water becomes spray mixed with air.
In a tube or pipe the acceleration happens too. Water is not expandable so something has to fill the gaps as it accelerates. If there was no air entry, the water would simply go faster and faster. The air bubbles capture some of the energy from the falling water and slows it down.
gaiatechnician 2 months ago
Does anyone have videos showing practical applications?
MrAnomilus 2 months ago
@MrAnomilus Unfortunately no official research agency or eco village or mainstream orgainzation has done anything about this. Ordinary people have to do all the research themselves! I have a pulser pump playlist that shows other people's work. One guy uses it to aerate a fishpond another used it to pump water for ducks, etc. There is probably a lot more going on. Sharing makes things easier and gets other people to join in but there are many reasons that people don't share.
gaiatechnician 2 months ago
How can I make smiple water pump ? Please let me know details.
Thanking You,
MD. abu talib
TALIB416 1 month ago
DAMN. Why am I watching this HD quality video.
StayPrepared 2 months ago
I had made somethig like this to filter the water in my fishtank, and it wos powered by the airator bubling in a pipe wich went 10cm over the watertank level, trough the filter and than back in the tank airated and cleaned. I made it like that because it didnt require any moving parts and it didn't hurt the fish, even when it sucked one of them in the filter... still havent seen one patended! Oh and mine works by decreasing the dencity of the fluid in the pipe so the other fluid pushes it out.
TheOriginalEviltech 3 months ago
@TheOriginalEviltech Well bubbling water brings oxygen to it, doing the opposite which is making a fountain like device removes oxygen from the water... this is probably why is not patented for fish tanks.
Ramiromasters 3 months ago
@Ramiromasters TheOriginalEviltech is oxygenating his water too. As long as there are bubbles in contact with the water, there is gas exchanged and there will be oxygenation.
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
This is very interesting to me, and I'd like to learn more about the science behind it, practical applications and more detailed procedures for producing them. Do you have a website or some files you could send out?
SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC 3 months ago
@SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC I think my tripod website has most information. If a university or private person or, company does some work on big pumps (I had only a tiny stream) I think they will post results on appropedia or wikipedia.
There is also a yahoo group about the pulser pump with some info in the files and photo,s sections. But I think you have to join to see anything. A search should bring all these sites up. (there may be more sites because the pump is a free idea.)
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
whoever wrote those blueprints must not know rule one about physics....
guineapiggyman 4 months ago
@guineapiggyman Another wiseguy. 10 years ago there were many of you. It was intimidating. Now that people have made these things on at least 3 continents (see youtube) and broken NO rules of physics, most of the wiseguys have fallen silent.
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician how am i a wiseguy? oh you mean how i went to college and studied physics and fluid dynamics for 6 yrs? oh. then yeah- youre right. all the ones that were made had to incorporate a starter engine, and a periodical primer callick (device) in order to work them. they were not made from the blueprints solely. so, yeah. nice move, clownshoes
guineapiggyman 4 months ago
@guineapiggyman Well, you must have missed a few classes over your 6 years. Poor you.
They didn't use a starter engine, or a clacker.
You are welcome to check some of the other people's videos. (Including one from Queens University, Ontario). One of them used see through tubes. (The guy in Cornwall England).
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician you and guineapiggyman are both right, it is possible to do it without any pumps, however the resulting pump will have such low efficiency that it would have no real-world application. Anyone serious about needing to pump water in usable quantities would install the parts guineapiggyman is talking about.
enemyunit 4 months ago
@enemyunit First of all "however the resulting pump will have such low efficiency that it would have no real-world application" . Where is the basis for your statement? Nobody currently knows the efficiency figures.
Also, my test pump was TINY in a place UNSUITABLE for water power, yet it pumped 4 to 5 TONNES per day of water to 10 ft high.
Suppose you have 2 tonnes per second flow in your river. How do you propose to install the parts? Suppose you havn't the money, how do you install them?
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician I'm kind of jumping into the middle of this, and haven't looked into pulsar pumps hardly at all, but this is a really interesting topic to me. Could I ask a question though, I'm curious what you were using your test pump for or what you think it could be used for. I mean is it very useful to have water pumped 10ft high even if it is "4 to 5 tons"?
run0hard9 3 months ago
@run0hard9 My test pump was in Ireland, I used it to pump water to sheep (5.5 m) higher and cattle (3 m higher)that were housed in sheds for the winter. I had another (smaller) one that I used to pump water to a garden and to sheep in another field. Basically,regulations were changed and farmers were not allowed to let their animals drink from rivers anymore. (because of cow poo and sheep poo getting in the rivers). The pump meant that they could still get the water without poo in the river.
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
@gaiatechnician Cool yeah I can see how that'd be useful. Thanks. How long did it take you to install one? I'm trying to think how that would be done where you basically have to have all of that installed "under" a creek.
run0hard9 3 months ago
@run0hard9 I dug a hole beside the stream. It took a while and it was hard work. You could check out the pulser pump nano idea and nano airlift pump ideas in my videos. It might mean that you don't need to go so deep. Maybe only 3 or 4 ft deep. It has never been tested. It should work but I have no idea of the economics of it.
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
@gaiatechnician Not many farmers want big% of their water to pass by the area they're wishing to irrigate. If the water is flowing around then it's likely getting closer and closer to "not my water anymore". Just a matter of how it works on flow and how a farmers goal is to retain water.
mryellow123 3 months ago
@mryellow123 In sane countries, farmers are not allowed to take all the water from a river, because there are rules and more farmers downriver.
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
@gaiatechnician Which country is sane? They either take what they can, or take what they paid for, or don't plant. Whatever the case their goal is to retain as much water as physically possible. Thus the use of flow for the pump may preclude it for some if not many. Just a reality of motivations and desires.
mryellow123 3 months ago
@mryellow123 Well, you have a choice, you can use a cheap pulser pump and take some of the water or you can use an expensive pump and fuel and take all of the water. I think the realtiy of motivations and desires is that your neighbors and regulations will prevent you from taking all the water from a river. If you are nasty and take (steal) all the water, they will take nasty measures against you. like destroying your pump or crops or putting you in prison. (If your country has laws)
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
@gaiatechnician A lot of the time a farmer will simply fill a channel, then use big PVC pipes as syphons. No flow required.
Cubbie Station:
Licenced to take 460,000 megalitres.
Capacity to grow 200 km² of cotton
In 2006 the dams were filled to 1% capacity allowing for only 2 km² of cotton planting
mryellow123 3 months ago
@mryellow123 Have fun with it. I simply do not care. It is a stupid waste of water and it is irrelevant to this type of pump.
Thanks Brian
gaiatechnician 3 months ago
@gaiatechnician Just thought I'd let you know..... You're a fuckin tosser.
We were having a basic conversation and you took it as a personal attack.
HTFU.
mryellow123 3 months ago
air is just participating,it`s not pushing the water...pression come from the higher water flow...
2009solaris 4 months ago
take a look at mongolfier pump,maybe you see an analogy..i do....
2009solaris 4 months ago
By the way, I have been told that Joseph Priestley used a trompe powering an airlift pump to pump water on some land that he owned. Is there any more info on this? Like place and date? Reason I ask is that Priestley died in Feb 1804 and the airlift pump was "invented" in Germany in 1797 (Carl Emanuel Löscher). Priestly was in the USA from 1794 on with failing health, family problems and little news from Europe. If he was using one before 1797, who invented it?
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
Are you sure it isn't allowed on Wikipedia because it doesn't work (i.e. is a scam)?
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
@blackjeffrey1 Fair Question, (apart from it working for other youtubers on 3 continents!). 2? years ago, wikipedia told me that it was not allowed on "Definitely not"! (because it is experimental, etc). I think all conversations on wikipedia are kept so you can check (I am user gaiatechnician there too).
But if you check now, there IS a junky entry about the pulser pump. By the way the wikipedia entry for airlift pump seems to be advertising for the patented geyser pump. Scam?
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician Sorry, after looking on wikipedia, I noticed that the pipe extends below the roof of the cavity. The pump does work with that (I didn't notice it before).
May I ask what the geyser pump is?
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
@blackjeffrey1 The geyser pump is a patented waste water pump. It uses an air compressor to pump the water but it is not an air lift pump. I think it has moving parts. I made "geysers" powered by the pulser pump. It was fun. The geyser pump is on the web and on youtube. I have had emails asking about the validity of its patent. (I am not a lawyer). A "biofueled pump" (the CO2 from yeast in beer making can run it.) is in my videos. Might be similar method to the geyser pump. Brian
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician Do you know how it differs from an air lift pump? Are they the same thing but with a different name?
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
@blackjeffrey1 Nope, it is not an airlift pump in the normal sense. Check out the biofueled pump in my videos because it probably uses something similar (but with a different type of regulation of air in and out). Other than that, just go to their geyser pump site for info.
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician The website I found seems to indicate it is essentially an improved version of the airlift pump. The Wikipedia article on the airlift pump has that, and the geyser pump (which is indicated as such).
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
@blackjeffrey1 If you look carefully at the Wikipedia airlift page, it looks like he ( Geyser website) wrote IT to drive visitors to HIS website! I don't know how Wikipedia editors missed that! In the normal sense, the geyser pump isn't an airlift pump at all. It has a big bottom chamber and airlift pumps don't have that. It looks like a piston pump to me. (Air acts as the piston). Join and ask Wikipedia directly on THAT PAGE in discussion. They are very helpful (within their rules). Brian
gaiatechnician 4 months ago
@gaiatechnician Not so sure about the guy writing it, but I see that he at least tried to promote his website. They found one thing about it and removed it, and I just removed the other link to his site.
That would depend on how you are defining an airlift pump. I would think the simplest answer would be a pump that uses air to push water up. But I guess that is a fairly poor definition.
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
The Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices by Al-Jazari in 1206.
liveuk 5 months ago
i remember skies like that too before those dam planes started to dump their toxic chemical payload on top of us, sickening chemtrails
soar1111 5 months ago
be jaysus ha! thats a mad yoke!
soar1111 5 months ago
Hey stfk every body ,what his trying is to let the third world know that no need to pay for water since mafias run the water supply in africa and charge ppl huge money.If your technique could be more developed, you will save a lot of lives a lot of charity organizers and Government will build a bigger one near the river and charge them reasonable/peanut price as no electricity needed and its manually pushing to feed the poor without this mafias.will cost cheaper then powered pump dickheads.
MrGeohotz 5 months ago
Hello video poster, How about ping pong balls or squash balls wich ever fits the high pressure pipe without resistance, filled to an even bouyancy of water, and at the top a screen so the water can go to a funnel to be collected and channel the balls back to the water in take. My name is Dave Pringle from Pleasant Gap, Pa USA Give a call if you wanna bounce ideas back and forth. 1-814-574-8109.
davidjpringle 5 months ago
@davidjpringle I did something where I popped 1 inch or 2 inch styrofoam balls into a pipe that got low pressure air (only a foot pressure). It did increase liquid holdup dramatically but I never figured how to make it recur regularly and automatically. (The balls must maintain an even spacing or they will react/interfere with each other as they go up). It is not as easy as it sounds!
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
I hate to burst your bubble but we have 3 of these running here since the 70's
liveuk 5 months ago
@liveuk It doesn't burst any bubbles. You have 42 uploads, how about one that shows one or 3 of your pumps?
That would be helpful.
Otherwise, people will think you are a fake and just making it up. Until I posted this video, most people thought it and I was a fake. (and that made me pretty mad). If you post it as a video response to this, you will get lots of views, I am sure.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician world wide web brumbypumps Youtube will not let me add the com on the end of that link
liveuk 5 months ago
@liveuk Hi, a Brumby pump is an airlift pump (without the trompe to power it). So it works with high air pressure from a compressor as a normal airlift pump.
The pumps I made use a trompe to make Low pressure air and then use plug flow or slug flow to use the power from the Low pressure air to pump water. So if you have that combo, (trompe powering low pressure airlift) you should definitely post it. Especially if it has worked since the 70's. Thanks,
Brian
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician Simply i will say the trompe is ancient the air pump to pump water is acient all this tech is old and many people build and use this tech in the third world many do it all the time including the Wirtz pump. That's all i am saying you have not found a NEW thing that's all I'm saying
liveuk 5 months ago
@liveuk I welcome you finding a low pressure trompe optimized to POWER a low pressure airlift pump from the past. And I welcome you giving us figures for how much water a low pressure trompe powering a low pressure airlift pump can pump. Many people in the 3rd world are NOT building the things because they do NOT have the figures OR the example from the past. If you are living hand to mouth, you cannot gamble on it.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician I work in Sierra leone "Freetown" I own therepublicofsierraleone com they dont let you put links I made a wirtz pump there for crops and I clean water by evaporating it and I also use air pumps there i build it out of scrap so they can copy me and build their own our site is no where near finished I also own hydro - gen co dot uk for a long time I build these and have no interest in your banter have fun and keep posting it's all good.
liveuk 5 months ago
@liveuk Hi, a Brumby pump is an airlift pump (without the trompe to power it). So it works with high air pressure from a compressor as a normal airlift pump.
The pumps I made use a trompe to make Low pressure air and then use plug flow or slug flow to use the power from the Low pressure air to pump water. So if you have that combo, (trompe powering low pressure airlift) you should definitely post it. Especially if it has worked since the 70's. Thanks,
Brian
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
this is not rocket science, its a built in air lift on a hydrolic air compressor, yes i watched your video, and yes i have look those up before, as physics and mechanical engineering, are not only my major but a hoby, as well as the history of invention. and this was not lost, its just very inefficient, you can get more from the same head of water useing a water powered pump. it was just to wasteful and still is. thats why this went the way of the dodo
1crazyfocker 5 months ago 2
@1crazyfocker Did you know that the windowfarms project switched to low tech airlift (from aquarium air bubblers) a couple of years ago? The reason? Water pumps were way more expensive and kept burning out. (they found burnt out pumps to be wasteful). By the way, you can check efficiency for either Taylors or the Michigan trompe in an old engineering book in google books. Their efficiency was somewhere over 80%.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician yeah i now about air lift, infact i use them in my green house. its a simple case of it takes more power to move water then air. but as for them burning out their water pumps, then they realy must have been doing something wrong..lol, hell a house well pump can last yrs. i have seen one go over 25yrs, it all depends i guess on brand, and whatch out for how they measured the efficiency back then not the same as today, but yes an air lift will always need less power,
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
on a side note, i am not downing your work, hell i completely understand, I am an inventor in my spare time, and get defensive over my ideas too. but it dont change facts. the main reason these went the way of the dodo is this, it's very inefficient, from this they used the same head of water to run a pump for air or water (30% to 250% gain) it just didnt stand a chance. but its still cool that you thought of it with out knowing.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
very cool! would love to figure out how to use this in an aquaponics system
caustic128 5 months ago
Many thanks to people round the world who have made models and small scale pumps. I appreciate your efforts and I know that large scale testing of this is beyond the resources of ordinary people. But your efforts gave it a far higher profile and some day it WILL be independently tested and the results WILL become known! Want to do a cheap easy experiment that could be a "world saver"? I think the airlift pump "nano" is a good bet. How high can it pump? Nobody knows! Details on another vid
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
@gaiatechnician what are you talking about? it is known, these pumps have been around for over 500 yrs. hell they are in any first yr mechanical science book, i think i first learned of these in science class in 8th grade. they were used all over the world. just take some time to look it up. its not used much any more because a mechanical elecrtic/gas pump is cheaper (in the long term) and more effective. try reading "1800 mechanical movements devices and appliances", none of this is new.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@1crazyfocker The results for low pressure tromps are not know and certainly not available to the public. Show them to me if you know where they are. If they are known, why would Dr. Ricard Bosch i Tous
(in Spain) be working on them in 2008 !! as a potential 3rd world application at the university of Catalonia? In Catalonia, they were most used in the entire world, so if they didn't have figures a few years ago, what makes you think anyone else does? (Pdf of his work is on the net)
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician its simple. like all those HHO nuts, its old tech that has been replaced, fist by steam and then by gasoline. just start looking back into history, it was used all over the world. do a simple patent search, you will find it. and plus there is nothing new about somebody taken old tech and useing them in 3rd world contries. they do it all the time from digging wells, to pumps, to out houses, they use the old tech, since they were able to be used without gasoline.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@1crazyfocker Did you even read my previous post? You are going to have to do much better. Nobody was using low pressure trompes or low pressure airlift pumps. (Dr. Ricard Bosch i Tous was researching them just 3 years ago). And there are no figures available about how good or bad low pressure airlift pumps or trompes can be. This is because of people like you making assumptions and not bothering to check in detail. Back up your "its simple" with something real.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician like my first statement "books", and like my other statement in the patent office, the air lift pumps were uses a lot in mining, they would use muti steps, for raiseing the water over hights greater then the total hydrostatic pressure (Puhle's compound air lift) then you have Tylor's system for hydrolic air compression, do a little searching for your self and you will see that there is no "charts" as ever system is different but i can give you the simple rule
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician -cont-
the pressure of the air supply must be greater then the hydrostatic pressure of the water at the bottom of the pipe, and in quantities sufficient to make the ascending column of air and water in the flow pipe lighter in its total height than the weight of an equal column of solid water of the depth of the well from the surface or the water to the bottom of the pipe.
the information is out there just have to look in the right place.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@1crazyfocker Very good. That's normal airlift. Not the plug flow version.
Now, you go look up plug flow and slug flow. And see how much of the research on slug flow and plug flow is from this century. (Just search pdf files for 2 phase fluid flow). Tylor in your previous post is Taylor. If you had watched the video, it has animations to show how plug flow and slug flow work. But, you clearly didn't and you don't.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician wow, it's clear that you just dont want to think that anyone had thought of this before, even tho you state "lost". like i just said, i am not downing your work, but the infos out there. and since you have to resort to complaining about typos then it clearly shows that this is annoying you. and since i am not a troll i will just quite, but it was "lost" because it cant stand up even to a simple water powered pump.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@1crazyfocker I know people thought of airlift and trompe before I did. Work continues on plug flow and slug flow in research labs because it isn't fully understood. You are welcome to try to get a "simple water powered pump" to work with less than 2 ft of head. You are also welcome to come back 20 years later and check if it still works. How efficient is it, if it is broken?
I don't mind your spelling mistakes, I make lots myself. But it is hard to search if the names are wrong.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@1crazyfocker I know people thought of airlift and trompe before I did. Work continues on plug flow and slug flow in research labs because it isn't fully understood. You are welcome to try to get a "simple water powered pump" to work with less than 2 ft of head. You are also welcome to come back 20 years later and check if it still works. How efficient is it, if it is broken?
I don't mind your spelling mistakes, I make lots myself. But it is hard to search if the names are wrong.
gaiatechnician 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician true true. i agree 20 years later the pump with no moveing part (as long as it does not get gunked up or air lock) would still be working. but dont forget the history of this, or the airlift pump by it self. it main use was for water removal, not for "pump" for use or drinking or anything. plus it needs a set water level that could easly stop the air flow, compared to a water wheel as an example. if i needed a pond filled and time was not an issue sure i would use this or a ram.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician
oh come on dont turn into one of those ppl. plug flow and slug flow is understood. ask anyone with a dagree in fluid dynamics. thats almost as bad as those ppl that say "even science does not know how magnets work" you seem like a smart fellow, take a little time to read a few books on fluid dynamics. hell i have only done a few classes on fluid dynamics but i bet you can find it in there.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
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@gaiatechnician -cont-
the pressure of the air supply must be greater then the hydrostatic pressure of the water at the bottom of the pipe, and in quantities sufficient to make the ascending column of air and water in the flow pipe lighter in its total height than the weight of an equal column of solid water of the depth of the well from the surface or the water to the bottom of the pipe.
the information is out there just have to look in the right place.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
@gaiatechnician -cont-
the info is out there, you just have to look in the right place. remember back then just like now, when someone patents something there are tons of other ppl who want a piece of that pie the makes one little change (but still the same thing) and patents it, BTW I never assume anything, and since i could find this and you could not i find your last comment funny as hell. the patent office is a great place to start any search.
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
at the first picture is it safe to fishes?
budz1031 6 months ago
@budz1031 I think it is safe for fishes because it oxygenates the exit water. There were many stonefly larvae in the water near the exit and hardly any in the rest of the little stream. Stonefly larvae need well oxygenated water. If your pulser pump went really deep (probably 20 or 30 ft deep) then you "might" start to have an issue with too much nitrogen gas dissolved in the exit water. Science, engineering and pipe makers has shown just over zero interest in the pump, so we don't know yet.
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
@gaiatechnician great!
thanks for answering
budz1031 6 months ago
The potential energy of water at a high elevation produces kinetic energy when it falls to a lower elevation for example hydroelectric power. I have a very old book showing an air compressor using falling water as the only moving part that powered equipment in a mine so it is no surprise that water can be pumped using the compressed air produced by this device.
packrat541 6 months ago
@packrat541 You are pretty much correct. I am not going to pretend that this is really efficient but in many cases cheap, simple, DIY and reliable beats efficient. (Especially when the people have very little money to spend).
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
I liked your video and really like where ever you made it. It's quite beautiful.
To improve the pump making it less sensitive to water level. I thought of a swimming pool strainer basically - the input requires some air be introduced into the system to work so the inlet side needs to be at just the right depth to suck a little bit of air. If you have a floating bucket that moves up and down with the water level then put notches in the rim to regulate the amount of water. Good luck!
PBates123 6 months ago
@PBates123 I have a tripod website about the pulserpump (no links allowed here, I think). On that site, I show something over the water entry area which worked well. I intended it as a shutoff valve but it was more useful than that. It is a flat piece of plastic with a half inch rigid plastic pipe running through it. . The pipe was to anchor it and to let air in when it suddenly shuts (prevent vacuum) but it also allowed the water to go higher and still let air in. Your idea should work too.
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
I understand how the pump works. I can see how it would have some serious drawbacks in terms of reliability under different flow rates and water levels that would be found in the real world. The bubble flow seems to be a limiting factor, as does the diameter of the up pipe. The ram pump does have a few moving parts, but its still very reliable for developing areas.
htomerif 6 months ago
@htomerif do you understand that it is not really competing with the ram pump? With my level of technology (when I was in my early 20's), I made this thing. I also tried and failed to make a ram pump in the same situation. That was in the real world and it still worked 20 years later. And that was just a test run! I recently did experiments that suggest that a nano pulser pump could be effective. I do not understand why "real" science is too pig headed to test and trial run the things.
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
@gaiatechnician *sigh* you're talking about a pump for livestock, irrigation or developing nations that operates on small height displacements of water, is mechanically simple and easy to maintain. Those are all the things the ram pump is designed to do. Don't get me wrong, I think its actually a pretty ingenious pump, but it does have its problems. Like I said (or meant to) maintaining a consistent bubble stream in all water conditions would be hard, and the up pipe size is limiting.
htomerif 6 months ago
@htomerif "sigh" yourself. All pumps have their problems. I have spoken to a missionary who hated ram pumps. He didn't find them easy to maintain at all. He ended up with an expensive broken junk of steel in the middle of nowhere. The pulser pump doesn't need a constant bubble stream. Why don't you and others who love ram pumps go back to them and redesign them to compress air too? Then you can use the compressed air to pump water elsewhere, to run tools, cooling, etc.
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
@htomerif You need to find the thing missing in your life that makes you feel the need to act smarter that other people.
LastCynicStanding 6 months ago
@LastCynicStanding Is that some kind of projection? I started off actually liking the idea for this pump, but when I mentioned some of the problems it would have for being practical, and why it hasn't been adopted by any industry, this person just didn't want to listen. Now I'm forced to agree with the first comment I read, that he's just complaining of a crackpot conspiracy of "big science" not comprehending his miracle pump. and if that "thing" you mention is jesus, you can GFY.
htomerif 6 months ago
@htomerif WTF?
I stick by my original statement. You can act like you are trying to help this guy if you want though. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Frankly I know anyone that goes around assuming people are talking about a religion that you have issues with to go fuck themselves might have a hard time sawing logs.
LastCynicStanding 6 months ago
@LastCynicStanding fine. As with your last comment, content free personal attacks = troll.
htomerif 6 months ago
@htomerif Fine...
Point fingers then. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I still stick by my point. You are just shooting down things you do not understand. It is easier than thinking.
LastCynicStanding 6 months ago
@htomerif There is no crackpot conspiracy. Science is paid work. If the politicians don't care about a particular sector, they just don't fund it ( scientists don't work for free). This kills research. With no independent testing, some people say the pump is crap and others say it's great but nobody really knows. Trompes were invented in Italy about 500 years ago, and disappeared about 100 years ago. Cheap small bore pipes, about 50 years old? the combination was never tried!
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
Not anymore...
DivineDivinity1999 6 months ago
Unfortunately, this video is just a rambling, content-free sequence of segments that never fully explain the theory of operations. I would have been interested in what you have to say because I am already familiar with similar techniques (eg, hydraulic ram) and I am definitely an advocate of small-scale low-tech approaches like these Here's hoping you produce a video that's informative instead of just being a vehicle for your whining (whinging?) about how Big Science doesn't revere you...
flizbarg 6 months ago
@flizbarg Ordinary People have responded to this video by making their own pumps and demo's in England, USA, Canada and Indonesia and they have put their videos on youtube. I would suggest that you watch their videos instead of trying to understand 2 phase flow theory. For starters, 2 phase flow theory isn't complete and what is known of it is extremely complex. Why not just make a nano pulser pump, and post your results while we wait for Big Science to wake up?
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
simple is best thats why admire you for sharing this to the rest of the world
imtotob 6 months ago
ram pump in the Philippines high elevaion of pumped water lol
imtotob 6 months ago
@imtotob Ram pumps are useful too but they have at least 1 moving part. This pump can also extract energy from low head - large flow sources and it does not produce water hammer. It is lower tech than ram pumps and that is also useful in certain situations where repair might be an issue. Brian
gaiatechnician 6 months ago
attach a one way valve to the outlet and you could have a far reaching water source, nice work.
flamedrag18 6 months ago
A very interesting form of using the Venturi effect
mariogabrielg 7 months ago
@mariogabrielg I would argue that no venturi effect is needed in this device. The tromp section just needs acceleration due to gravity to suck down bubbles. No narrowing of the pipe is needed. Thanks Brian
gaiatechnician 7 months ago
How high will the bubbles push the water?
toddwolcott 7 months ago
@toddwolcott The height depends on several factors. Size of pipes, depth of the pump etc. I have another video "Nano Airlift pump demo. Nobody knows how high it can pump! Can YOU help find the answer?" ( shows that you can go to at least 13 ft high with just enough pressure to push air 1 meter under water!) Someone else has got to 16 ft with that tiny pressure and it might be that you can go 20 or 30 ft with low pressure. My pulser pump went at least 10 meters ( very slow at that height)
gaiatechnician 7 months ago
Pretty cool. The sound is a little rough though. His nieghbors must think he's shooting hardcore dolphin porn!
TheNWONOW 7 months ago
fuckn awsome concept bro, is this your idea
NOBOX7 7 months ago
Hi gaiatechnichian this looks neat and possibly easier than building a hydram pump. Could you please respond because I am trying to pump water from a small shallow creek, which I can dam, and then use this pulser to water a small 1/2 acre garden. The creek is about 250 ft away with a small incline to the garden of about 6-7 ft. I am guessing this may work very well using 4 inch pvc and smaller diameter garden hose. The steady incline would push the water and air up
cornifron 7 months ago in playlist q12
@cornifron It sounds doable but note that I dug a hole about 15 ft deep by hand. (Which is a crazy dangerous!, use machinery or at very least shore up the sides really well as you go down). Inclines are deceptive too. It might be more than 6 or 7 ft. I found that pumping straight up and letting it drain is better than pumping up an incline. Check out the nano pulser and nano airlift idea, if you try that, you may not need to dig so deep. Sadly, there is no research yet on nano pulser
gaiatechnician 7 months ago
thanks for the great way of explaining it
PumpManufacturers 7 months ago
Cool idea.
BahoUtot 7 months ago
thank you now I foound the best pump
bernardchu2 8 months ago
Where are you based, I'm in T ipp, I'd love to have a go at installing one of those yokes. I have a decent sized stream but it is sunken about 8ft below the general surface of the land.
tipptoggy 9 months ago
You have a real Irish accent, are you Irish?
pathman2 9 months ago
I learned a lot! I knew nothing about these pumps until I watched this vid. The animated diagrams were helpful. I'd like to see more of the display pump with clear hosing using the bike pump. Again. Cool!
winnabego 9 months ago
@winnabego Thank you. If you want to learn and teach more, you can do my Nano airlift pump experiment! I made a "nano" airlift pump to test how high it could pump and basically I ran out of height.
I used an air bubbler from an aquarium, a little t joint to connect tubes and 3/16 inch tubes and tiny submergence (about 2 ft). It easily pumped to 13 ft high. It is on youtube. How high can it pump?
NOBODY KNOWS! Airlift pumps are not supposed to pump to 13 ft on 2ft submergence!
gaiatechnician 9 months ago
@winnabego A guy in England did a pulser pump video where you can see inside. It is called Cornish pulser pump on youtube
gaiatechnician 9 months ago
did kids make that drawing
MrBurnTec 10 months ago
@MrBurnTec I think I will leave comments from jerks on for a while.
gaiatechnician 10 months ago 4
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Gaiatechnician,
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like the spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes? Both of these would decrease flow resistance. What about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
cletusdingdong 11 months ago
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Gaiatechnician,
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like the spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes? Both of these would decrease flow resistance. What about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
cletusdingdong 11 months ago
Gaiatechnician,
Have you ever thought about using Viktor Schauberger design techniques to improve your pump? Like copper spiral pipes such as Felix Hediger is making, for example. Or a hyperbolic vortex shape where the air intakes. Both of these could decrease flow resistance. And about bubble size? If you were using a vortex at the air intake it would make the bubbles much smaller, is that cool?
cletusdingdong 11 months ago
@cletusdingdong I do some nano pulser work,
FUNDED development organizations can improve the pump:
Universities, Engineers without borders,
Engineers for a Sustainable World
and Philantropists
like Gates, George Soros, Bono, Geldof, and there are many others.
People who have helped are Russel Hoffman who put it in the internet glossary of pumps, Matt in Cornwall, Eileen in Texas and a few others.
Most Organizations have been evasive, often clueless!, unhelpful and demeaning.
Brian
gaiatechnician 11 months ago
@gaiatechnician Gates is on record as being for mass genocide. He is not serving the Good.
Soros is a monster, destroying nations.
Basically, the super-rich are corrupt, malicious and would sooner kill you than help you do anything good.
Gotta find another way.
AOZXRAY 10 months ago
Why are you whispering?
PatrikMacGoohan 11 months ago
The pulser pump was nominated in a competition jn Austria, I was contacted and gave them the necessary details and winners etc to be announced in may 2011.
"Dear Participant of Prix Ars Electronica 2011,
Thank you very much for taking part in this year's CyberArts competition. We have received your entry (Pulser Pump World's simplest water power [the next idea]) for the Prix Ars Electronica 2011 competition." Thanks to whoever nominated it! Also a demo pump in indonesia is on utube, thanks
gaiatechnician 11 months ago
co za asy..
f3w4gserg 1 year ago
How is the air sucked in?
onfe1 1 year ago