Obama says that if a majority of workers want a union, they should get a union. I agree, but they already have that option. I think we should also protect the workers right to NOT join a union if they DON'T want to. A secret ballot election is the only way to protect both of those rights.
Unions are just another level of servitude that concentrates power into an elite, ruling class. Card Check is another step that oppresses free choice and intensifies the power of a few over the many. This whole movement towards equality will severely lower the quality of life for everyone.
@matahaari 100% wrong. If what you said was true, then the economy would be far better off right now due to declining union membership.
What's wrong with the majority of employees in a workplace getting a union if they want it?
If the American people thought unions were so bad, then you have nothing to fear from the Employees free choice act, as most in the workforce would vote no to a union whether it's passed or not.
And does this guy honestly believe the ONLY reason we've had declining union membership is simply b/c there wasn't a law on the books like this to "make it easier" to form one?? Why is it hard to believe Americans are fed up with unions? Like the fact that they are legally allowed to use EVERYONE'S dues for political campaigns. That's kind of sneaky, to say the least.
And Canada has tightened its laws on unions giving out money for political purposes. Maybe we should all learn something from Candaian PM Stephen Harper as his Conservative Party government has basically put the labor unions sneaky power grabs out of reach. I mean right now, Canada is lecturing President Obama and that is not good.
@mehlhaff5 The citizens' united ruling says otherwise.
However I agree that campaign contributions need to be limited for Unions as well as Corporations who lobby for the interests of a small few and not the majority of the American people.
@whoo689 So would you side with the workforce if they chose by a majority to join the union, or would you side with corporations who would ignore the will of their employees?
The EPI guy needs to get a clue. I hope he realizes union membership was never very high. The highest it's gotten is about 1/3rd of the entire workforce. It never was near a majority, so obviously we mostly survived WITHOUT the aid of unions. This "revival of unions" through the EFCA will do little to "heal the middle class", as these people claim. It's silly to assume it would! One bill cannot fix all our problems.
Besides, forcing people to join unions isn't very American.
Oh, god! Here we go with the "inequality" nonsense. This is the United States of America! We have the strongest and largest econ. in the world! Our "inequality" is nothing compared to China or India or much poorer states. I hate when these idiots harp on about "inequality" on the rise, as if it makes any difference whether a few CEOs are making a few million more.
So are those on the right in favor of employees joining a union if the majority votes in a public ballot?
I bet they'll never answer that question, because they don't side with the majority, the side with the status quo.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
Obama says that if a majority of workers want a union, they should get a union. I agree, but they already have that option. I think we should also protect the workers right to NOT join a union if they DON'T want to. A secret ballot election is the only way to protect both of those rights.
Firesprink72 2 years ago
Unions are just another level of servitude that concentrates power into an elite, ruling class. Card Check is another step that oppresses free choice and intensifies the power of a few over the many. This whole movement towards equality will severely lower the quality of life for everyone.
matahaari 3 years ago 3
@matahaari 100% wrong. If what you said was true, then the economy would be far better off right now due to declining union membership.
What's wrong with the majority of employees in a workplace getting a union if they want it?
If the American people thought unions were so bad, then you have nothing to fear from the Employees free choice act, as most in the workforce would vote no to a union whether it's passed or not.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
And does this guy honestly believe the ONLY reason we've had declining union membership is simply b/c there wasn't a law on the books like this to "make it easier" to form one?? Why is it hard to believe Americans are fed up with unions? Like the fact that they are legally allowed to use EVERYONE'S dues for political campaigns. That's kind of sneaky, to say the least.
whoo689 3 years ago 5
And Canada has tightened its laws on unions giving out money for political purposes. Maybe we should all learn something from Candaian PM Stephen Harper as his Conservative Party government has basically put the labor unions sneaky power grabs out of reach. I mean right now, Canada is lecturing President Obama and that is not good.
mehlhaff5 2 years ago
@mehlhaff5 The citizens' united ruling says otherwise.
However I agree that campaign contributions need to be limited for Unions as well as Corporations who lobby for the interests of a small few and not the majority of the American people.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
@whoo689 So would you side with the workforce if they chose by a majority to join the union, or would you side with corporations who would ignore the will of their employees?
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
In the land of the free, how can you force any law-abiding citizen to join ANY association or organization? All states should have right to work.
whoo689 3 years ago 4
The EPI guy needs to get a clue. I hope he realizes union membership was never very high. The highest it's gotten is about 1/3rd of the entire workforce. It never was near a majority, so obviously we mostly survived WITHOUT the aid of unions. This "revival of unions" through the EFCA will do little to "heal the middle class", as these people claim. It's silly to assume it would! One bill cannot fix all our problems.
Besides, forcing people to join unions isn't very American.
whoo689 3 years ago 2
@whoo689 If the majority of a workforce wants a union why should they be dictated to by the minority.
Also they have the option to quit and get a non union job if they feel that strongly.
Trollmaster21 1 year ago
Oh, god! Here we go with the "inequality" nonsense. This is the United States of America! We have the strongest and largest econ. in the world! Our "inequality" is nothing compared to China or India or much poorer states. I hate when these idiots harp on about "inequality" on the rise, as if it makes any difference whether a few CEOs are making a few million more.
whoo689 3 years ago 2