4) “… the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
- Karl Marx
(“The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna,” Neue Rheinische Zeitung, November 7, 1848)
2) “Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets.”
- Karl Marx
(“The Russian Loan,” New York Daily Tribune, January 4, 1856)
1) “A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon... and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists.”
- Friedrich Engels
(Robert C. Tucker, ed., The Marx-Engels Reader [W. W. Norton, 1978], pp. 730-3)
This video continues the fallacy that any of these countries achieved Marxism. By the fact that there were class inequalities and a state alone disproves this assumption. China and Russia failed to bring anarchism, failed to bring socialism and failed to bring communism. They never were Marxists.
@phoenixsingerpdx : Yeah, right: they were never marxists or communists. They were fascist scum.....like you. The only thing marx, lenin, trotsky, hitler, stalin, mao, castro, and all the other scum of the earth were ever good at was jailing, torturing, and murdering everyone who disagreed with them.....for the good of the people, of course.
@teachem2think Wait, I'm fascist scum? Umm.. I'm an anarchist which is the absolute opposite of a fascist. Marx never did any of those things. You're continuing the fallacy with your inane rant.
@SWRuzzante I view these historical events with an utilitarian application. The end result of "Marxist" procedure decimated millions and is still a clear and present danger. Christianity has been "civilized", mostly neutered, for a few centuries now. Equating communist destruction with Christian destruction cannot be taken seriously. Currently, how do Christian charities stack up against Marxist charities? This is part of my bottom line with utility in mind. What ism has posed a real threat,now?
@chickenwretch We have no direction other than any destruction of this earth when it all one day runs out, if we continue to expand any infrastructure it only accelerates the end, so what do we do, we live any material means because humans are addicted to ego and vanity, what a paradox when iot comes to political rhetoric which questions who has any qualifications to be any leaders, materialism is very deep and hard to explain all at once, however, there is a book coming out soon
@SWRuzzante Agreed marxism is the agency used by tyrants to impose their will. The fact that Marxism has been used by all the various races to achieve a higher end, remains suspect by its very conception. Post WWII the world iced into 2 camps: free and enslaved. Arsenals consumed GNPs of both worlds and a few wars ensued. The banner so called"enslaved" states flew were attached to Marxist doctrine. Whether Karls tenants were practiced is inconsequential;central control is the essence of tyranny.
@SWRuzzante Timeline comparisons are not balanced. Why would you refer to 20th century Marxist atrocities, millions in numbers, and then medieval Christian crusades, who's real military enemy was aggressive Islam with numbers in the hundreds of thousands killed. Christianitys militancy was confined to the European continent after the 1400s, and those internecine wars were secular in nature, with a Protestant/Catholic banner. Individual charity cannot be compared to State terror ala proletariat.
Read The Law by Bastiat (free download on the 'net.) then watch The Agenda (Amazon). It is the youth of this nation that will inherit the bills this administration is running up at warp speed. RESTORE AMERICA 2012 RON PAUL
The leaders/backers of OWS already have their plan in place. Their using the masses of utopian fools, who are living like animals and acting like sheep, to do their bidding.
well done right to the point. Marxism is a good idea, like a hamburger. why settle for a burger when one can have filet mignon in the original version of Christian charity. don't believe authentic Christian charity ever killed anyone. carefully qualify any counter comment, please.
i will tell u lads 1 thing marxism is a good idea, that everyone shall have equal payments and such. but! It doesnt work because lets say u work like 30 more hours then your nighbur and he is lazy HE WILL GET THE SAME PAYCHECK AS U !!!
sorry for my bad english as it isnt my main language. :P
you said that in practice, marxism needed these totalitarian regimes. This is pure nonsense, since before the creation of such states there have been made some steps towards real socialism ( the russian revolution, the creation of the soviets) plus this is directly oppossed to the philosophy of marx (see his critisism to the hegelian state) which places the state UNDER the people's power and finally, managing to abolish it (communism). Therefore if such states are created, it's no longer marxism
@motorheadanthrax the point is that despite the communist rhetoric, no 'real' marxism (as you qualify it) has ever come about without being perverted into murderous totalitarian regimes. And the model was not just tried once, but many times (as the video points out).
I'm not sure what you would consider proof. It isn't like I have a closet full of the dead bodies here with me that I can show you and you will obviously accept nothing less, plus you frame the question in a way that makes it impossible to prove. Communism does nothing to kill people. Leaders of Communist Parties used collective policies to kill millions of people. Marx believed in communism. Communism and collectivism are one in the same. Like it or not, communist countries kill people.
Yes, each attempt at nationwide communism has failed, but that shouldn't be used to justify unrestrained capitalism. The idea of communism itself isn't what caused these atrocities, it was the ways in which the governments forced these views on the people and implemented destructive policies. True communism is stateless, and it cannot be forced.
@deviantcreep Not true. While State Communism and Fascism are both oppressive, the idea of communism in Marxist theory is to create a classless and stateless society. The idea of National Socialism (and Fascism) is based on extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and hatred.
Actually you are wrong but I don't blame you since it's uncommon for people to know this stuff. National Socialism was a rural ideology that romanticized an idealized supposed agrarian golden age of warriorhood. It was not founded on ethnic hatred (ethnic tension existed in the region that far predated national socialism) and would have been fine if it wasn't adopted by a charismatic state. Another thing is Fascism's origins are unrelated and also Gentile was influenced by Marx...
I should also mention clearly that I do not support any form of Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism. It is however important to note that many totalitarian ideologies in history have formed out of relatively harmless grassroots philosophies and this fact is so often ignored out of the emotionally charged reactionary politics of the day.
@Dezzreck I don't know anyone who would accept "unrestrained" anything. The fact that communism fails every time it is tried ought to be a red flag for you. It fails every time because men are corrupt government is merely the extension of man's evil forced at gunpoint on others. While I can think of no countries with capitalism guilty of the mass murder of its citizens, history is replete with examples of communism's record of cruelty. It's called a clue and you shoudl buy one.
@duaneaj1 Capitalism's forms of opression are different than that of Communism. If you count the deaths from famines in Communist countries as part of Communism's death toll, than you must also count the deaths from poverty as part of Capitalism's death toll. Communists may be harsher on their own citizens, but more deaths have been caused by the imperialist atrocities of western countries (mainly USA and Britain). And of course I don't recommend communism in the Marxist-Leninist sense.
@Dezzreck This is a ridiculous statement. Even if you DID count death tolls from famine here in the US or even GB, or even combine the stats from both, you come no where near 130 million people. In addition, none of those deaths that you speak of were PLANNED!!!!!!! No one has ever died of "poverty" in any country EVER. Communism in ANY sense is immoral, inhumane, oppressive, repressive, tyrannical, and just plain EVIL. Given the choice between communism and anarchy, I would choose anarchy.
@duaneaj1 No one has died of poverty ever? Tell that to the citizens of third world countries which have been raped by the imperialist U.S. Lack of food and health care kills countless people in 3rd world countries each year, a direct result of capitalism. To say that communist countries "planned" famines is ridiculous. While they are responsible for the deaths, they were due to bad economic policies. I'm not defending the crimes of communists,
@Dezzreck I'd be glad to explain it to them, alas, they are as you say, dead. Poverty is not a COD. Hunger, drowning, heart attack, stroke...these are causes of death. Poverty is NOT a cause of death. These 3rd world countries you speak of. Which ones of them practice free market capitalism again? US can't cause poverty in communist countries because communist countries isolate themselves. If the US outperforms communism due to free market, that should be a lesson for 3rd world.
@Dezzreck To say communist countries "planned" famines is...a fact - ridiculous and horrific though it may be. Their policies killed MILLIONS of people and THEY KNEW IT WOULD and THEY DIDN'T CARE. They even BRAGGED at the job they were doing. Stalin in particular was pleased at the death toll in the Ukraine after he had all the grain locked up and the farming equipment confiscated. Possessing food was a CRIME against the state.
The big mistake people make is thinking that Capitalism and Communism are two black and white areas. Capitalists think they mean something in a democratic society getting to push their vote once a year, thinking they're making a difference. What they don't see or think about is what they actually voting for is decided by an elite few. So technically their is no such thing as democracy, until you can vote on whatever issue you want as a nation which is not the case anywhere.
I think people are getting communism and dictatorships mixed up. I see no reason the state must exercise such control in any society. Capitalism also contains a form of control, it's usually more subtle, but it's there. With the upper 20 % of the US earning more than the the other 80%, you can't tell me that's not oppression. Fact remains: if you want a true free market, you want wage-slavery. BTW, there are more options than just communism or capitalism.
@punkwasher people get it mixed up b/c they are really one in the same. If you think of a continuum where on one end there is 0 government, on the other end you would necessarily find dictatorship, communism, and total government control. Capitalism does not require total govt but it cannot.exist in anarchy either. It offers maximum freedom and minimized govt where the other systems offer tyranny and oppression.
@mabellehardie if ran the right way communism is not bad at all. No government actually ran it the way Karl Marx wanted it to ran. Thats is the part most teachers will not tell you in school.
@CabeBiken10 Not necessarily lost but simply turned away from reality. Communism in theory is great, it's pretty much the perfect system, but it can't be done in the right way when it comes to the real world.
The fact is, that with Marxism and communism, there is either low production, which is so low it hardly meets the populations demand, or doesn't, so you do eventually live in a commune like Marx intended, but its almost just like the poverty that he wanted to avoid, and if you want socialism in society, then you have to force some people into labor. So its either eventual poverty, or basically forced labor "slavery" that Communism leads to. Great in theory though, just not in actuallity.
@connorqb17 Are you referring to Marxism? Marxism as a political system has never existed. Stalin created his own form of Communism that wasn't really communism at all, and it definitely wasn't socialism. Also, views and political views don't kill people, people kill people. It does not say once in the COMMUNIST Manifesto that we should kill each other. And lets count how many people have died under capitalism :) probably more than you or I can count.
Are you unaware of what has occured in the PRC in the last twenty years? It is the second largest economy and on course to become the largest. It has also lifted close to 500 million of its citizens out of poverty.
This information is skewed. Mao and Stalin never intended to kill their own people. Natural disasters and other factors must be taken into consideration. Especially since the west was working on the inside to destroy them. Stalin's only sin was being a nationalist putting Russia before the needs of the world. He wanted communism to live by example, rather then try to liberate workers around the globe. Mao started third-worldism, and could be considered much like today's neo-cons.
@JimProfitCat really? how convenient that was kept secret from the rest of the world, in which case anyone that would try to bring this crime to the public was surly exterminated for decades. only now when we give evidence with names and facts the zionist agents are deleting data online. "Stalin never intended to kill his people?" but he did massacred around 50 millions russian christians and sent agents throughout eastern european countries to kill another 50 millions christians or death camps
@dolyae Numbers of deaths caused by Joseph Stalin:
-9 million
-20 million
-30 million
-50 million
-60 million
-80 million
Why don't you prove that he killed 50 million people by giving me demographic and historical correct sources or proof (arguments won't count)
Oh, and marx doens't support mass-murders or genocides, so communism isn't also responsible for those deaths. Read the Communist Manifesto and you will find nothing that supports killing people or animals or whatever...
@iownage4youi You probably won't get much readership if you title your manifesto "Why we should kill 30 million people". Most historians agree Stalin killed somewhere between 20 and 30 million people. Mao killed 70 million in the name of communism. These aren't really disputed facts. Marx probably didn't support the idea if mass-murder. But, as Stalin said "if you want to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs." He did believe in mass murder and that's the point.
@duaneaj1 Purges, he supported purges. Criminals, nazi's, traitors or other people were sent to labour camps, where they could work for 5 year or for the rest of their lives. It depends on what they did. Stalin killed indeed many people, but that was Stalin, not communism. A system can't kill people like it's some virus, it's man that kills man. And keep in mind that we can blame America for Hirosjima, Nagasaki, Iraq, Vietnam etc. But that would have an excuse I guess.
@iownage4youi So communism not bad, just the leaders of it are? Can you please point me to a country that has adopted communism/socialism/fascism and it DIDN'T end in mass murder, abject misery, or cruel and oppressive tyranny? Stalinism is based, in large part, on communism. You can call it whatever you like. One thing is for certain, it cannot be referred to as a free market system which, no matter where it grows, results in a peaceful and prosperous people.
@iownage4youi Yes, you can blame America for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq & Viet Nam. We were at war with these countries. We did not kill millions of people systematically by starvation, gas chambers, etc in order to gain and install tyranny in those countries. Last time I checked, Iraq holds free elections as does Japan. Countries go to war. Those are not instances of leaders of a country killing its own people.
@duaneaj1 Iraq holds corrupt elections. We can also say that you guys indeed killed millions of people, it's just a matter of spreading rumors. Numbers of deaths caused by SOCIALIST leaders aren't proved yet to be over a million. And the USSR had no gas chambers, there was starvation after the revolution and World War II (Europe had a sarvation too, just as America after the Depression). You say that all those socialist countries installed a tyranny, but look at your own side hypocrite.
@iownage4youi Well, I guess that would depend on your burden of proof. Your burden appears to be that you would need to see each and every dead body and if you didn't see them all, then you didn't see any. Lenin's own book "Black Book of Communism" details his own orders to starve Russians!!! Yes, US had wide spread hunger too, but before, not after, WWII. Hunger came from socialist policies to destroy crops and livestock under FDR. I know my history. Do you know yours?
@duaneaj1 You call my statement that 3/4 of the world hates the USA stupid, while you support the idea that the Stalin killed many people, even if there are no exact numbers. It's also funny that the video here sees communism as the same thing what Marxism is, while Marx wrote that marxism is scientific socialism and that all communist societies before him were utopia's, let alone that mass-murders and starvation isn't caused by communism, nor any other system, but the man behing it.
@iownage4youi Communism, as a theory, is not responsible for a single death. Nor is evolution, as a theory, responsible for a single death. However, in practice, both theories are responsible for millions and even billions of deaths. This is a stupid argument. If we leave communism as nothing more than ink on paper, I can live with it. In practice, I have a difficult time with it. Please provide one historical reference of a "communist utopia" that didn't involve mass murder.
@iownage4youi I don't really care that 3/4 of the world hates the USA. The successful are often hated by the unsuccessful. I don't think you have any proof that would support such a claim and I think if we were to peel such an onion, what we would find is that most individual people love the USA while governments around the world despise our success.
@duaneaj1 3/4 hates the USA for "bringing democracy to countries", not for being succesful <_< Lol, you ask me for proof that supports my claims, but where is your proof about communism?
Cool video but let's not forget that these people were actually anti-communists anti-marxists posing as communists. They were in fact fascist dictators who destroyed Marx's vision of a new society. So to include Karl Marx in a tribute to the atrocities brought forth by fake communists leaders is unfair. But Marx's name will forever be attributed to being the creator of all the evil that took place and still taking place in communist countries.
@ilkkavu Well do you understand who the proletariat is? Its the working class, you, me, whoever works for a living. The decisions would be made by us, benefiting us. Obviously these tyrants wanted nothing to do with actual Marxism.
@cron1077 How do you know I'm not a capitalist? :) The working class can not make any decisions. It's simply too large group of people. Marxism is just propaganda that can justify a small elite's rise to power. Actual Marxism is a utopia that does not exist in real world. People who are fanatic about Marxism are dangerous people.
@ilkkavu I knew you were haha. I am neither capitalist, socialist, communist, fascist, nor a believer in Marxism. I just think none of those systems work as you see the poverty that is still apparent in the 21st century. A few people enjoy billions and billions while some of that money can be used for hospitals for the poor in Africa. Things are very backwards, especially today. But, Marxist theory comes closest to addressing these problems **when applied properly.
@cron1077 Can you please provide an example of communsim that is "applied properly"? I do see poverty and I agree that it exists on a broad scale, but less so than 100 years ago for certain. The poverty that you speak of is undeniably in countries and regions of the world that have chased out free markets and have at one time or another embraced communism or despotism. So, please, do share where communism has been "applied property".
@duaneaj1 The only proper application of Marxism would require global revolution, not just national. A single communist country cannot exist on its own. Solidarity among workers all around the world is essential to overthrowing the oppressors, as Marx believed. I believe the mistakes of people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and the other so called Marxists was that they tried to push Communism on a world that was no where near ready for it, nevermind fully understood it.
@cron1077 As long as I draw a breath, this world will never be ready for communism. Groups do not have rights that supercede the individual. I have the individual right to protect and defend my own life with enough force to stop outside threats and prevent encroachment. There will never be solidarity among workers as long as I live. I will ensure that. There is no such thing as a Marxist utopia. And if there is, but the pathway is littered with those killed to acheive it, I don't want it.
@cron1077 One thing this thread is not short on is Marxist apologists. Marx may have been an idealist with pure intentions, but the road to perdition is paved with good intentions. Perhaps Marx was not for mass murder, maybe he was. One truth should shine through though. Evil men will use the good intentions of others to rise to power, kill millions in the name of central planning (major plank of communism). In a free market with limited govt, the means to rise to such power is limited.
This is not the truth, this is only you're opinion. People made communism to their own demands and only want it for power. All things that claim to be communism are far off waht marx claims to be communism, and go read some books from him for crying out load.
@SillyKuffar if you are joking than it is a funny one. Marx himself dept he's nine childeren, called the god of the jews "money" and he himself was protestant. And if you really mean by saying that communism is mohammedism, than you are dum
This video is an oversimplification of ideologies and history to an elementary school level on a topic that can, in no way, be simplified, because there are far more complexities to it than most people bother to concern themselves with. In contrast, Christianity, which is usually over simplified, often gets the same kind of treatment in this day and age. Plus those who actually knew anything about the Bible would realize the similarities between socialism and Christianity are remarkable.
Communism and Mohammedanism go well hand in hand. No wonder the far left UAF/SWP/EHRC/NUT/NUJ/Lib/Lab/Con Communists suck up to Islam.
But to show how blinded the Communists are with their desperate need for power and control they are unable to comprehend that ISLAM WILL TURN ON THEM TOO.
Unless the Communists follow the example of the FAR LEFT MARXIST Lauren Booth and CONVERT to Mohammedanism.
@SillyKuffar Why Mohammed? There is much more great ''prophets'' with ideology just like him. Buda teaches wishes make unhappiness and Jesus taught to forgive and so on and so on. I am agnostic so I don't belong to any religion.
One "EVIL" idea sponsored by the British Empire as usual. Divide and conquer. Before and during World War ll United States Russia, and China were allies When FDR died on April 12th 1945 and Truman came in he immediately went with the British piece of shit Churchill divide and conquer operation. Dropped Nukes on an already conquered Japan in order to threaten the Russians and start an arms race. Started Trumanism sometimes called MacCarthyism to intimidate the Americans. and here we are.
Im sure if anyone made a video on a tribute to capitalism and put up the numbers and shocking imagery then socialism wouldnt seem like such a bad idea.`
@Metalzoav2 Capitalism and Communism is the age old Gang Counter Gang divide and conquer game. The only way perspective can be gained is getting out of the controlled options. The American system is not Capitalism. It is a credit system as presented by Alexander Hamilton and codified in the US Constitution.
This video is flawed in so many ways, it simply a regurgitation of the most banal and cliche attacks, its a straw man argument against Marxism. Thanks for the misinformation.
ss talin believed to be able to coomunism all the europe,he also thought that RED army is so powerful,that nothing can´t stop it,when they attacked Finland,to make it communist country to,they failed!
war Fin&commis
Fin army had 300 000 motivate man and well-equipped,50 tanks,first 130 aircraft,
later 287+ aircrafts.
UNITED SLAVE SHIT RUSSIA had 1 000 000 redarmy man´s not motivated and
Is 100 million plus dead not enough to get into your heads?. This system is huge a failure, and will never work , it's worst than fascism! In fact, it's worse than fascism by 75 + dead million innocents. Get it into your heads.. This was and still is all what Marxism-Communism is all about.
@nuclearblastowns how many people have died because of the greed of capitalism? Just for starters, millions of Native Americans were killed. Who knows how many children died in capitalist factories. Profit at any cost is what capitalism is all about.
@TheEmilio16 True, the United States in its infancy commited great atrocities to the Native American people and they for all rights and purposes were driven to extinction their plight continues even today. Black slave labor took root then was stamped out after many years and was replace by children in factories. Those things were hundreds of years ago; communist oppression on the other hand was and continues to force people into slave labor, re-education camps and gulags.
@TheEmilio16 Your statement is completely unfounded. 0 native americans were killed by capitalism. Indeed, I would even argue that no person has ever been killed in the name of capitalism or free markets. Profit at any cost? Really? If a capitalist profits less than his cost, then he doesn't survive long. Do you believe communists such as Stalin and Mao were not driven by greed? What a ridiculous assetion. Free markets promote the self-interest of the individual which promotes society.
Capitalism and communism are two different dirty jewish political ideologies on the same coin. Either way you flip the coin you lose. White Nationalism it what is NEEDED. The multicultural experiment in America has not worked(on purpose) and America fought on the wrong side of WW2. In order to avoid WW3 Israel and all its treasonous supporters in America need to be dealt with at once. This time there might be some ACTUAL gas chambers used...
Communism...Government greed, state slavery, poverty for all but the governing few, low tech, no freedom, no culture. Capitalism...State owning schools, health, infrastructure and putting money into research, people owning businesses and deciding the end price [markets].
@daizee106 Thnx,. There is not one communist politicians who believe people should make the decisions, they want to make them for them. Communism is government control over people and economies. Capitalism is people owning property and businesses, sadly not everyone has access to capitalism.
capitalst propoganda, this is never communism, its STATE CAPITALISM!!! a poor video that brainwashes people, please read and learn about true communism please, and all this rubbish that it doesnt work, its never been practised to an extent of achieving its true potential. Capitalism is greedy, expolits the working class, and people ACCEPT IT, rebel against the system, work and achieve true wealth and happiness.
@davidbfc1 Your an idiot. Communism will never work as it is an impossible dream world that cannot be applied. Never practised to achieve its full potential? Ha! Yeah lets leave a state to perform these atrocities for as long as it wants I wonder when it'll finally reach its 'potential'? Humanity is greedy, Capitalism is a reflection of that, we are sinners. What makes me wonder is how Fascism is somehow seen more evil than Communism, when it's death toll doesn't come near touching communisms.
@CandlesInADaze. Stalin's so called communism was never communism, please don't think that, you are deluded by propoganda. North Korea and the USSR were never communist countries. You are a person, controlled to the extent of how you think, your a puppet being expolited. The recession caused by the banks and governments is being paid for by the workers who didn't cause this mess. Please tell me, is that fair?
@SillyKuffar Cause they weren't in the right economical or political society at the time when they decided to take it on. Marx is very clear it must have gone through the capitalist proccess which will develop into socialism and then further to communism. Marxism isn't this radical ideology makes it out to be ... have you ever read Das Kapital? Do you even know what Marxism is? Actually read what Marx says and you'll realise it makes sense. Might not be right for society now but it will one day.
As Communist we have been fortunate enough to have leaders who have not just leaded revolution but have also left analytical tools for us to use them, its up to us to unite all workers of the world and overthrow Capitalism. Iron-Hand at ohnetinfoo@gmail.com
While I am not at all a fan of Marx or his theories, I cant help but find huge faults with this video. The video is entirely accurate in the historical details of what these leaders did to their citizens,but it fails to give us any truths about the ideology of communism. It fails to give any of the real reasons why communism is a very bad economic substitute and instead shows us a bunch of people dieing and tries to equate the two in the end. Emotional propoganda just meant to intimidate.
@davidbfc1 Ultimately you cannot have an equal society, someone has to be in charge. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore giving someone supreme control over an entire continent is a disaster waiting to happen.
The idea of communism is sound, however, it does not take into account one important factor: Human nature.
None of these countries were ever Marxist. If they really were communist, there would be no state at all. These were all examples of dictatorships with planned economies.
@Talentlaust marxism can only work if everyone is a marxist. ideally, coercion has no place in marxism, however, when marxism is applied, coercion becomes a requirement. every communist society began with an utopian idealism, and what they became was nothing more than the nature of the idea. marxism demands no competition for resources between individuals. the result is a need for coercion. all communist systems will develop inevitably into 'dictatorships with planned economies'.
@Talentlaust i would argue that marxism/communism isn't so cut and dry. it's subject to interpretation as is any ideology. what you get are communist denominations, if you will. i think that the traditional communist countries were all, in fact, communist. perhaps you are right, and they were indeed ideologically perverse. who's to say? marx is dead. an addendum to my previous comment: communism can work if the ability to opt out (or peaceful excommunication) is available. thusly, in communes.
@ashxlon I would have to disagree with you. Communism is defined by the very abolishment of the state ( just as much as capitalism is defined by having a market, or having capitalists). If that is not of the case, then it is called socialism. Even Soviet was named "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics".
@Talentlaust so would you call the DPRK a democratic republic? even if i were to accept your definition of communism (and i am talking about nation-states here), once the 'people' established control of all means of production, thus rendering the 'people' a synonymous entity with what you would currently call the state, then a social hierarchy would develop naturally. communist states cannot allow competition, so religion and opposition to partisan politics is out. you're left with dictatorship.
No. I would not call North Korea a democratic republic, as I would not call them communist, and neither would I call China communist or democratic. My point was that not even the Bolsheviks considered the USSR to be communist. Also, let me say this again: I am not a communist. I have severe doubts about communism ever working. Also, this is not my definition of communism. This was Marx' definition, and goal of communism; to abolish the state, into a classless society.
@Talentlaust i believed you the first time when you told me that you aren't a communist. i also understand that communism aims to abolish the state. i am just saying that if you abolish one state, another state will fill the vacuum. communist communes, however, do work practically. so communism can work on a local level. it can't work on a state level. state communism eliminates competition to the state, whereas local communes present choices and competition. that includes not living communally.
@ashxlon I agree with your views on the practicability of communism, but I was under the impression that we were arguing about the definition of communism.
@D3m0nsLuvP13 The perversion of Communism still exists, it's called Communism. All theories work in the vacuum of the head, but once the hands begin to build, laws become evident, the laws of nature and of nature's God.
I have always wondered, how is the state controlling every aspect of life really any different than the market controlling every aspect of life? The clothes I wear, the programs I watch on TV, the stories on the news, the music I listen to, the car I drive, where I eat, when I sleep and on and on, are all controlled by the "free" market.
@BuckMako No, not really- they are guided by you, the consumer. You make choices how you spend your money and the market responds. By buying something, you are sending a signal to the supplier- keep providing it. You are also teling the manufacturer: keep making it. A free market is constructed from millions of decisions from individuals such as yourself.
Friends of mine had their father murdered by Pol Pot because he was a professor. The family, with 5 children under 15 was dumped off in the jungle. They escaped through mined jungle paths. Is Marxism really what we want in the US?
This has been flagged as spam show
4) “… the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
- Karl Marx
(“The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna,” Neue Rheinische Zeitung, November 7, 1848)
amamerc 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
3) “We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.”
- Karl Marx
(“Suppression of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung,” Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 19, 1849)
amamerc 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
2) “Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets.”
- Karl Marx
(“The Russian Loan,” New York Daily Tribune, January 4, 1856)
amamerc 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
1) “A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon... and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists.”
- Friedrich Engels
(Robert C. Tucker, ed., The Marx-Engels Reader [W. W. Norton, 1978], pp. 730-3)
amamerc 1 month ago
This video continues the fallacy that any of these countries achieved Marxism. By the fact that there were class inequalities and a state alone disproves this assumption. China and Russia failed to bring anarchism, failed to bring socialism and failed to bring communism. They never were Marxists.
phoenixsingerpdx 1 month ago
@phoenixsingerpdx : Yeah, right: they were never marxists or communists. They were fascist scum.....like you. The only thing marx, lenin, trotsky, hitler, stalin, mao, castro, and all the other scum of the earth were ever good at was jailing, torturing, and murdering everyone who disagreed with them.....for the good of the people, of course.
teachem2think 1 month ago
@teachem2think Wait, I'm fascist scum? Umm.. I'm an anarchist which is the absolute opposite of a fascist. Marx never did any of those things. You're continuing the fallacy with your inane rant.
phoenixsingerpdx 1 month ago
@teachem2think Marx was never in Power
mdotty42 2 weeks ago in playlist watch later 2
Those communists had such idealistic and good intentions when they started...sort of reminds me of.......libturds.
TerrierToughGuy 2 months ago 5
@SWRuzzante I view these historical events with an utilitarian application. The end result of "Marxist" procedure decimated millions and is still a clear and present danger. Christianity has been "civilized", mostly neutered, for a few centuries now. Equating communist destruction with Christian destruction cannot be taken seriously. Currently, how do Christian charities stack up against Marxist charities? This is part of my bottom line with utility in mind. What ism has posed a real threat,now?
chickenwretch 3 months ago 4
@chickenwretch We have no direction other than any destruction of this earth when it all one day runs out, if we continue to expand any infrastructure it only accelerates the end, so what do we do, we live any material means because humans are addicted to ego and vanity, what a paradox when iot comes to political rhetoric which questions who has any qualifications to be any leaders, materialism is very deep and hard to explain all at once, however, there is a book coming out soon
DrFruedienslip 1 month ago
@SWRuzzante Agreed marxism is the agency used by tyrants to impose their will. The fact that Marxism has been used by all the various races to achieve a higher end, remains suspect by its very conception. Post WWII the world iced into 2 camps: free and enslaved. Arsenals consumed GNPs of both worlds and a few wars ensued. The banner so called"enslaved" states flew were attached to Marxist doctrine. Whether Karls tenants were practiced is inconsequential;central control is the essence of tyranny.
chickenwretch 3 months ago
@SWRuzzante Timeline comparisons are not balanced. Why would you refer to 20th century Marxist atrocities, millions in numbers, and then medieval Christian crusades, who's real military enemy was aggressive Islam with numbers in the hundreds of thousands killed. Christianitys militancy was confined to the European continent after the 1400s, and those internecine wars were secular in nature, with a Protestant/Catholic banner. Individual charity cannot be compared to State terror ala proletariat.
chickenwretch 3 months ago
Excellent video!
thetruthisoutthere32 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Read The Law by Bastiat (free download on the 'net.) then watch The Agenda (Amazon). It is the youth of this nation that will inherit the bills this administration is running up at warp speed. RESTORE AMERICA 2012 RON PAUL
possumpistol 4 months ago
The Nazis had nothing on the Commuists. :(
duvexy 4 months ago 2
So how many murders will Americans tolerate before we rise up in anger with arms and take back our country? Just asking.
johnknoefler 4 months ago
stalin was a blood thirsty killer so was hitler so was all these so called socialist...the west has the welfare state and it is the best system...
2700giovanni 4 months ago
But the Wall Street Protesters will get it right this time.
muddywood 4 months ago
@muddywood
The leaders/backers of OWS already have their plan in place. Their using the masses of utopian fools, who are living like animals and acting like sheep, to do their bidding.
gotigers54 4 months ago
well done right to the point. Marxism is a good idea, like a hamburger. why settle for a burger when one can have filet mignon in the original version of Christian charity. don't believe authentic Christian charity ever killed anyone. carefully qualify any counter comment, please.
chickenwretch 4 months ago
i will tell u lads 1 thing marxism is a good idea, that everyone shall have equal payments and such. but! It doesnt work because lets say u work like 30 more hours then your nighbur and he is lazy HE WILL GET THE SAME PAYCHECK AS U !!!
sorry for my bad english as it isnt my main language. :P
cangolt 5 months ago
you said that in practice, marxism needed these totalitarian regimes. This is pure nonsense, since before the creation of such states there have been made some steps towards real socialism ( the russian revolution, the creation of the soviets) plus this is directly oppossed to the philosophy of marx (see his critisism to the hegelian state) which places the state UNDER the people's power and finally, managing to abolish it (communism). Therefore if such states are created, it's no longer marxism
motorheadanthrax 5 months ago
@motorheadanthrax the point is that despite the communist rhetoric, no 'real' marxism (as you qualify it) has ever come about without being perverted into murderous totalitarian regimes. And the model was not just tried once, but many times (as the video points out).
maynardkeenan11 3 months ago
You are an idiot. This not true at all.
Qtexs 5 months ago 2
I'm not sure what you would consider proof. It isn't like I have a closet full of the dead bodies here with me that I can show you and you will obviously accept nothing less, plus you frame the question in a way that makes it impossible to prove. Communism does nothing to kill people. Leaders of Communist Parties used collective policies to kill millions of people. Marx believed in communism. Communism and collectivism are one in the same. Like it or not, communist countries kill people.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
the song is creepy......
koala8 6 months ago
I have been effected by bullshit.
id1337x 7 months ago
"That is what we call Socialism in everyday life" Stalin
nicolelecompte1969 7 months ago
Yes, each attempt at nationwide communism has failed, but that shouldn't be used to justify unrestrained capitalism. The idea of communism itself isn't what caused these atrocities, it was the ways in which the governments forced these views on the people and implemented destructive policies. True communism is stateless, and it cannot be forced.
Dezzreck 9 months ago
@Dezzreck
Yeah well you could say the same about National Socialism too.
deviantcreep 9 months ago
@deviantcreep Not true. While State Communism and Fascism are both oppressive, the idea of communism in Marxist theory is to create a classless and stateless society. The idea of National Socialism (and Fascism) is based on extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and hatred.
Dezzreck 9 months ago
@Dezzreck
Actually you are wrong but I don't blame you since it's uncommon for people to know this stuff. National Socialism was a rural ideology that romanticized an idealized supposed agrarian golden age of warriorhood. It was not founded on ethnic hatred (ethnic tension existed in the region that far predated national socialism) and would have been fine if it wasn't adopted by a charismatic state. Another thing is Fascism's origins are unrelated and also Gentile was influenced by Marx...
deviantcreep 9 months ago
I should also mention clearly that I do not support any form of Authoritarianism or Totalitarianism. It is however important to note that many totalitarian ideologies in history have formed out of relatively harmless grassroots philosophies and this fact is so often ignored out of the emotionally charged reactionary politics of the day.
deviantcreep 9 months ago
@Dezzreck I don't know anyone who would accept "unrestrained" anything. The fact that communism fails every time it is tried ought to be a red flag for you. It fails every time because men are corrupt government is merely the extension of man's evil forced at gunpoint on others. While I can think of no countries with capitalism guilty of the mass murder of its citizens, history is replete with examples of communism's record of cruelty. It's called a clue and you shoudl buy one.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 Capitalism's forms of opression are different than that of Communism. If you count the deaths from famines in Communist countries as part of Communism's death toll, than you must also count the deaths from poverty as part of Capitalism's death toll. Communists may be harsher on their own citizens, but more deaths have been caused by the imperialist atrocities of western countries (mainly USA and Britain). And of course I don't recommend communism in the Marxist-Leninist sense.
Dezzreck 6 months ago
@Dezzreck This is a ridiculous statement. Even if you DID count death tolls from famine here in the US or even GB, or even combine the stats from both, you come no where near 130 million people. In addition, none of those deaths that you speak of were PLANNED!!!!!!! No one has ever died of "poverty" in any country EVER. Communism in ANY sense is immoral, inhumane, oppressive, repressive, tyrannical, and just plain EVIL. Given the choice between communism and anarchy, I would choose anarchy.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 No one has died of poverty ever? Tell that to the citizens of third world countries which have been raped by the imperialist U.S. Lack of food and health care kills countless people in 3rd world countries each year, a direct result of capitalism. To say that communist countries "planned" famines is ridiculous. While they are responsible for the deaths, they were due to bad economic policies. I'm not defending the crimes of communists,
Dezzreck 6 months ago
@Dezzreck I'd be glad to explain it to them, alas, they are as you say, dead. Poverty is not a COD. Hunger, drowning, heart attack, stroke...these are causes of death. Poverty is NOT a cause of death. These 3rd world countries you speak of. Which ones of them practice free market capitalism again? US can't cause poverty in communist countries because communist countries isolate themselves. If the US outperforms communism due to free market, that should be a lesson for 3rd world.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@Dezzreck To say communist countries "planned" famines is...a fact - ridiculous and horrific though it may be. Their policies killed MILLIONS of people and THEY KNEW IT WOULD and THEY DIDN'T CARE. They even BRAGGED at the job they were doing. Stalin in particular was pleased at the death toll in the Ukraine after he had all the grain locked up and the farming equipment confiscated. Possessing food was a CRIME against the state.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
The big mistake people make is thinking that Capitalism and Communism are two black and white areas. Capitalists think they mean something in a democratic society getting to push their vote once a year, thinking they're making a difference. What they don't see or think about is what they actually voting for is decided by an elite few. So technically their is no such thing as democracy, until you can vote on whatever issue you want as a nation which is not the case anywhere.
JonoHayward1982 10 months ago 2
I think people are getting communism and dictatorships mixed up. I see no reason the state must exercise such control in any society. Capitalism also contains a form of control, it's usually more subtle, but it's there. With the upper 20 % of the US earning more than the the other 80%, you can't tell me that's not oppression. Fact remains: if you want a true free market, you want wage-slavery. BTW, there are more options than just communism or capitalism.
punkwasher 10 months ago
@punkwasher people get it mixed up b/c they are really one in the same. If you think of a continuum where on one end there is 0 government, on the other end you would necessarily find dictatorship, communism, and total government control. Capitalism does not require total govt but it cannot.exist in anarchy either. It offers maximum freedom and minimized govt where the other systems offer tyranny and oppression.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
Communism always fails.
mabellehardie 11 months ago
@mabellehardie if ran the right way communism is not bad at all. No government actually ran it the way Karl Marx wanted it to ran. Thats is the part most teachers will not tell you in school.
ILUVJEZUZ94 10 months ago
@mabellehardie
China, I win.
LOLpwntnub 10 months ago
If you are arguing FOR communism, you are lost...
CabeBiken10 11 months ago
@CabeBiken10 Not necessarily lost but simply turned away from reality. Communism in theory is great, it's pretty much the perfect system, but it can't be done in the right way when it comes to the real world.
thelossbloodlock 10 months ago
The fact is, that with Marxism and communism, there is either low production, which is so low it hardly meets the populations demand, or doesn't, so you do eventually live in a commune like Marx intended, but its almost just like the poverty that he wanted to avoid, and if you want socialism in society, then you have to force some people into labor. So its either eventual poverty, or basically forced labor "slavery" that Communism leads to. Great in theory though, just not in actuallity.
connorqb17 11 months ago 2
@connorqb17 Are you referring to Marxism? Marxism as a political system has never existed. Stalin created his own form of Communism that wasn't really communism at all, and it definitely wasn't socialism. Also, views and political views don't kill people, people kill people. It does not say once in the COMMUNIST Manifesto that we should kill each other. And lets count how many people have died under capitalism :) probably more than you or I can count.
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@connorqb17
Are you unaware of what has occured in the PRC in the last twenty years? It is the second largest economy and on course to become the largest. It has also lifted close to 500 million of its citizens out of poverty.
Truth matters
redword2007 9 months ago
This information is skewed. Mao and Stalin never intended to kill their own people. Natural disasters and other factors must be taken into consideration. Especially since the west was working on the inside to destroy them. Stalin's only sin was being a nationalist putting Russia before the needs of the world. He wanted communism to live by example, rather then try to liberate workers around the globe. Mao started third-worldism, and could be considered much like today's neo-cons.
JimProfitCat 11 months ago
@JimProfitCat really? how convenient that was kept secret from the rest of the world, in which case anyone that would try to bring this crime to the public was surly exterminated for decades. only now when we give evidence with names and facts the zionist agents are deleting data online. "Stalin never intended to kill his people?" but he did massacred around 50 millions russian christians and sent agents throughout eastern european countries to kill another 50 millions christians or death camps
dolyae 11 months ago
@dolyae Numbers of deaths caused by Joseph Stalin:
-9 million
-20 million
-30 million
-50 million
-60 million
-80 million
Why don't you prove that he killed 50 million people by giving me demographic and historical correct sources or proof (arguments won't count)
Oh, and marx doens't support mass-murders or genocides, so communism isn't also responsible for those deaths. Read the Communist Manifesto and you will find nothing that supports killing people or animals or whatever...
iownage4youi 9 months ago
@iownage4youi You probably won't get much readership if you title your manifesto "Why we should kill 30 million people". Most historians agree Stalin killed somewhere between 20 and 30 million people. Mao killed 70 million in the name of communism. These aren't really disputed facts. Marx probably didn't support the idea if mass-murder. But, as Stalin said "if you want to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs." He did believe in mass murder and that's the point.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 Purges, he supported purges. Criminals, nazi's, traitors or other people were sent to labour camps, where they could work for 5 year or for the rest of their lives. It depends on what they did. Stalin killed indeed many people, but that was Stalin, not communism. A system can't kill people like it's some virus, it's man that kills man. And keep in mind that we can blame America for Hirosjima, Nagasaki, Iraq, Vietnam etc. But that would have an excuse I guess.
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@iownage4youi So communism not bad, just the leaders of it are? Can you please point me to a country that has adopted communism/socialism/fascism and it DIDN'T end in mass murder, abject misery, or cruel and oppressive tyranny? Stalinism is based, in large part, on communism. You can call it whatever you like. One thing is for certain, it cannot be referred to as a free market system which, no matter where it grows, results in a peaceful and prosperous people.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@iownage4youi Yes, you can blame America for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq & Viet Nam. We were at war with these countries. We did not kill millions of people systematically by starvation, gas chambers, etc in order to gain and install tyranny in those countries. Last time I checked, Iraq holds free elections as does Japan. Countries go to war. Those are not instances of leaders of a country killing its own people.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 Iraq holds corrupt elections. We can also say that you guys indeed killed millions of people, it's just a matter of spreading rumors. Numbers of deaths caused by SOCIALIST leaders aren't proved yet to be over a million. And the USSR had no gas chambers, there was starvation after the revolution and World War II (Europe had a sarvation too, just as America after the Depression). You say that all those socialist countries installed a tyranny, but look at your own side hypocrite.
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@iownage4youi Well, I guess that would depend on your burden of proof. Your burden appears to be that you would need to see each and every dead body and if you didn't see them all, then you didn't see any. Lenin's own book "Black Book of Communism" details his own orders to starve Russians!!! Yes, US had wide spread hunger too, but before, not after, WWII. Hunger came from socialist policies to destroy crops and livestock under FDR. I know my history. Do you know yours?
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 You can look it up, almost 3/4 of the people think America is going to far with "bringing democracy".
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@iownage4youi 3/4 of what people? That is about the stupidest stat I've ever heard, but I've come to expect such poor responses from your type.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 You call my statement that 3/4 of the world hates the USA stupid, while you support the idea that the Stalin killed many people, even if there are no exact numbers. It's also funny that the video here sees communism as the same thing what Marxism is, while Marx wrote that marxism is scientific socialism and that all communist societies before him were utopia's, let alone that mass-murders and starvation isn't caused by communism, nor any other system, but the man behing it.
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@iownage4youi Communism, as a theory, is not responsible for a single death. Nor is evolution, as a theory, responsible for a single death. However, in practice, both theories are responsible for millions and even billions of deaths. This is a stupid argument. If we leave communism as nothing more than ink on paper, I can live with it. In practice, I have a difficult time with it. Please provide one historical reference of a "communist utopia" that didn't involve mass murder.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@iownage4youi I don't really care that 3/4 of the world hates the USA. The successful are often hated by the unsuccessful. I don't think you have any proof that would support such a claim and I think if we were to peel such an onion, what we would find is that most individual people love the USA while governments around the world despise our success.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 3/4 hates the USA for "bringing democracy to countries", not for being succesful <_< Lol, you ask me for proof that supports my claims, but where is your proof about communism?
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 Or in other words, saying that my statement is stupid is very hypocrite.
iownage4youi 6 months ago
@theMadMarxist - Communism means STARVATION.
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
Cool video but let's not forget that these people were actually anti-communists anti-marxists posing as communists. They were in fact fascist dictators who destroyed Marx's vision of a new society. So to include Karl Marx in a tribute to the atrocities brought forth by fake communists leaders is unfair. But Marx's name will forever be attributed to being the creator of all the evil that took place and still taking place in communist countries.
cron1077 1 year ago
@cron1077 Marx supported dictatorship. He called it the dictatorship of the proletariat. His ideas lead to these atrocities.
ilkkavu 1 year ago
@ilkkavu Well do you understand who the proletariat is? Its the working class, you, me, whoever works for a living. The decisions would be made by us, benefiting us. Obviously these tyrants wanted nothing to do with actual Marxism.
cron1077 1 year ago
@cron1077 How do you know I'm not a capitalist? :) The working class can not make any decisions. It's simply too large group of people. Marxism is just propaganda that can justify a small elite's rise to power. Actual Marxism is a utopia that does not exist in real world. People who are fanatic about Marxism are dangerous people.
ilkkavu 1 year ago
@ilkkavu I knew you were haha. I am neither capitalist, socialist, communist, fascist, nor a believer in Marxism. I just think none of those systems work as you see the poverty that is still apparent in the 21st century. A few people enjoy billions and billions while some of that money can be used for hospitals for the poor in Africa. Things are very backwards, especially today. But, Marxist theory comes closest to addressing these problems **when applied properly.
cron1077 1 year ago
@cron1077 Can you please provide an example of communsim that is "applied properly"? I do see poverty and I agree that it exists on a broad scale, but less so than 100 years ago for certain. The poverty that you speak of is undeniably in countries and regions of the world that have chased out free markets and have at one time or another embraced communism or despotism. So, please, do share where communism has been "applied property".
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@duaneaj1 The only proper application of Marxism would require global revolution, not just national. A single communist country cannot exist on its own. Solidarity among workers all around the world is essential to overthrowing the oppressors, as Marx believed. I believe the mistakes of people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and the other so called Marxists was that they tried to push Communism on a world that was no where near ready for it, nevermind fully understood it.
cron1077 6 months ago
@cron1077 As long as I draw a breath, this world will never be ready for communism. Groups do not have rights that supercede the individual. I have the individual right to protect and defend my own life with enough force to stop outside threats and prevent encroachment. There will never be solidarity among workers as long as I live. I will ensure that. There is no such thing as a Marxist utopia. And if there is, but the pathway is littered with those killed to acheive it, I don't want it.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
@cron1077 - Of course they were communists.
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
@SillyKuffar Do you know what Communism is? If you do, then you cannot say that Stalin was a Communist.
cron1077 11 months ago
@cron1077 - Do you ?
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
@SillyKuffar Obviously.
cron1077 11 months ago
@cron1077 One thing this thread is not short on is Marxist apologists. Marx may have been an idealist with pure intentions, but the road to perdition is paved with good intentions. Perhaps Marx was not for mass murder, maybe he was. One truth should shine through though. Evil men will use the good intentions of others to rise to power, kill millions in the name of central planning (major plank of communism). In a free market with limited govt, the means to rise to such power is limited.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
The TRUTH is... We should have stomped out Communism in the 1950's! Truth be told! Get to work people!
Halftrac 1 year ago
This is not the truth, this is only you're opinion. People made communism to their own demands and only want it for power. All things that claim to be communism are far off waht marx claims to be communism, and go read some books from him for crying out load.
@SillyKuffar if you are joking than it is a funny one. Marx himself dept he's nine childeren, called the god of the jews "money" and he himself was protestant. And if you really mean by saying that communism is mohammedism, than you are dum
iownage4youi 1 year ago
@iownage4youi I think the 100 million victims and counting would agree with this video.
TuffLuck777 1 year ago
@TuffLuck777 Prove me that there where 100million victims in total.
iownage4youi 1 year ago
@iownage4youi Are you serious? Get a life.
TuffLuck777 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@TuffLuck777 see, you can't prove it by documents on the internet. I have a life, you don't, you just hate something that you don't understand.
iownage4youi 1 year ago 2
@iownage4youi - Prove that there wasn't.
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
@SillyKuffar Awnser my question first.
iownage4youi 11 months ago
just how stupid you have to be to call mao, stalin, pol pot, and kim jon ill marxist.??
bluntpunk83 1 year ago
@bluntpunk83 True; Mao, Stalin, Pol pot, kim Jon and men like him attaind their power and continue to do so under the guise of Marxist theory.
TuffLuck777 1 year ago
This video is an oversimplification of ideologies and history to an elementary school level on a topic that can, in no way, be simplified, because there are far more complexities to it than most people bother to concern themselves with. In contrast, Christianity, which is usually over simplified, often gets the same kind of treatment in this day and age. Plus those who actually knew anything about the Bible would realize the similarities between socialism and Christianity are remarkable.
czarpeppers 1 year ago
@czarpeppers Yes. I don't believe in god, but I agree with Bible (miracles excluded). It teaches the right things.
julijan999 1 year ago
Communism and Mohammedanism go well hand in hand. No wonder the far left UAF/SWP/EHRC/NUT/NUJ/Lib/Lab/Con Communists suck up to Islam.
But to show how blinded the Communists are with their desperate need for power and control they are unable to comprehend that ISLAM WILL TURN ON THEM TOO.
Unless the Communists follow the example of the FAR LEFT MARXIST Lauren Booth and CONVERT to Mohammedanism.
SillyKuffar 1 year ago
@SillyKuffar Both are totalitarian.
DemocracyCountsx 1 year ago
@DemocracyCountsx No i am saying both Communism and Islam are totalitarian this is why they make happy bedfellows.
DemocracyCountsx 1 year ago
@SillyKuffar Why Mohammed? There is much more great ''prophets'' with ideology just like him. Buda teaches wishes make unhappiness and Jesus taught to forgive and so on and so on. I am agnostic so I don't belong to any religion.
julijan999 1 year ago
One "EVIL" idea sponsored by the British Empire as usual. Divide and conquer. Before and during World War ll United States Russia, and China were allies When FDR died on April 12th 1945 and Truman came in he immediately went with the British piece of shit Churchill divide and conquer operation. Dropped Nukes on an already conquered Japan in order to threaten the Russians and start an arms race. Started Trumanism sometimes called MacCarthyism to intimidate the Americans. and here we are.
LaRoucheisright 1 year ago
Im sure if anyone made a video on a tribute to capitalism and put up the numbers and shocking imagery then socialism wouldnt seem like such a bad idea.`
Perspective is key.
Metalzoav2 1 year ago
@Metalzoav2 Capitalism and Communism is the age old Gang Counter Gang divide and conquer game. The only way perspective can be gained is getting out of the controlled options. The American system is not Capitalism. It is a credit system as presented by Alexander Hamilton and codified in the US Constitution.
LaRoucheisright 1 year ago
This video is flawed in so many ways, it simply a regurgitation of the most banal and cliche attacks, its a straw man argument against Marxism. Thanks for the misinformation.
SensiStarToaster 1 year ago
@SensiStarToaster - Your baseless condemnation of this video is a straw man argument for Communism.
Thanks for the non-information.
zunk11 1 year ago
@zunk11 over 100 million deaths from Communisn is hardly a straw man argument.
DemocracyCountsx 1 year ago
@DemocracyCountsx - you didn't understand my reply, probably because it was to someone else.
zunk11 1 year ago
ss talin believed to be able to coomunism all the europe,he also thought that RED army is so powerful,that nothing can´t stop it,when they attacked Finland,to make it communist country to,they failed!
war Fin&commis
Fin army had 300 000 motivate man and well-equipped,50 tanks,first 130 aircraft,
later 287+ aircrafts.
UNITED SLAVE SHIT RUSSIA had 1 000 000 redarmy man´s not motivated and
equipment was inadequate, 3000 tanks,3800 planes!
rus lost 139 589 fin lost 26 904
tanello2 1 year ago
@tanello2 Finns remain free!
they lost 2. largest city to ussr,and 14% lands!
but still did not lost the war,they got the 2.place!
tanello2 1 year ago
Holy smokes man! Keep telling the truth...
mightymicronaut 1 year ago
That's not what Marxism is about. Marxism is an understanding of capital.
jrperkins 1 year ago
@jrperkins
Is 100 million plus dead not enough to get into your heads?. This system is huge a failure, and will never work , it's worst than fascism! In fact, it's worse than fascism by 75 + dead million innocents. Get it into your heads.. This was and still is all what Marxism-Communism is all about.
nuclearblastowns 1 year ago
@nuclearblastowns how many people have died because of the greed of capitalism? Just for starters, millions of Native Americans were killed. Who knows how many children died in capitalist factories. Profit at any cost is what capitalism is all about.
TheEmilio16 1 year ago
@TheEmilio16 True, the United States in its infancy commited great atrocities to the Native American people and they for all rights and purposes were driven to extinction their plight continues even today. Black slave labor took root then was stamped out after many years and was replace by children in factories. Those things were hundreds of years ago; communist oppression on the other hand was and continues to force people into slave labor, re-education camps and gulags.
TuffLuck777 1 year ago
@TheEmilio16 Your statement is completely unfounded. 0 native americans were killed by capitalism. Indeed, I would even argue that no person has ever been killed in the name of capitalism or free markets. Profit at any cost? Really? If a capitalist profits less than his cost, then he doesn't survive long. Do you believe communists such as Stalin and Mao were not driven by greed? What a ridiculous assetion. Free markets promote the self-interest of the individual which promotes society.
duaneaj1 6 months ago
Capitalism and communism are two different dirty jewish political ideologies on the same coin. Either way you flip the coin you lose. White Nationalism it what is NEEDED. The multicultural experiment in America has not worked(on purpose) and America fought on the wrong side of WW2. In order to avoid WW3 Israel and all its treasonous supporters in America need to be dealt with at once. This time there might be some ACTUAL gas chambers used...
CriticalDissection 1 year ago
Communism...Government greed, state slavery, poverty for all but the governing few, low tech, no freedom, no culture. Capitalism...State owning schools, health, infrastructure and putting money into research, people owning businesses and deciding the end price [markets].
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
You blithering moron. Come back when you're done studying communism properly.
PesiCool 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010 Wonderful comment Friend. Too bad there are idiots who think that this is possible in this world
daizee106 1 year ago
@daizee106 Thnx,. There is not one communist politicians who believe people should make the decisions, they want to make them for them. Communism is government control over people and economies. Capitalism is people owning property and businesses, sadly not everyone has access to capitalism.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
capitalst propoganda, this is never communism, its STATE CAPITALISM!!! a poor video that brainwashes people, please read and learn about true communism please, and all this rubbish that it doesnt work, its never been practised to an extent of achieving its true potential. Capitalism is greedy, expolits the working class, and people ACCEPT IT, rebel against the system, work and achieve true wealth and happiness.
davidbfc1 1 year ago
@davidbfc1 Your an idiot. Communism will never work as it is an impossible dream world that cannot be applied. Never practised to achieve its full potential? Ha! Yeah lets leave a state to perform these atrocities for as long as it wants I wonder when it'll finally reach its 'potential'? Humanity is greedy, Capitalism is a reflection of that, we are sinners. What makes me wonder is how Fascism is somehow seen more evil than Communism, when it's death toll doesn't come near touching communisms.
CandlesInADaze 1 year ago
@CandlesInADaze. Stalin's so called communism was never communism, please don't think that, you are deluded by propoganda. North Korea and the USSR were never communist countries. You are a person, controlled to the extent of how you think, your a puppet being expolited. The recession caused by the banks and governments is being paid for by the workers who didn't cause this mess. Please tell me, is that fair?
davidbfc1 1 year ago
@davidbfc1 - So there has never been Communism only Political ideologies that called themselves communist ?
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
@davidbfc1 thought criminal
daizee106 1 year ago
All the communist states in past and present arn't marxism:
"if that's marxism, then I'm not a marxist" - Karl Marx
sadman666 1 year ago
@sadman666 hahahaahahaaahhahha! that's a good one (from marx) hhahhahahaha...
manoman0 1 year ago
@sadman666 - If Marxism is so good then why didn't the Communists use it ?
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
@SillyKuffar Cause they weren't in the right economical or political society at the time when they decided to take it on. Marx is very clear it must have gone through the capitalist proccess which will develop into socialism and then further to communism. Marxism isn't this radical ideology makes it out to be ... have you ever read Das Kapital? Do you even know what Marxism is? Actually read what Marx says and you'll realise it makes sense. Might not be right for society now but it will one day.
sadman666 9 months ago
Great manipulation. You should also show people that are dying evry day becouse of usa imperialisim.
Blunocholic 1 year ago
@Blunocholic i suggest you look to see who is behind ''usa'' imperialism..
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
@ENDEUARABIA Is it the USA by any chance? lol
sadman666 1 year ago
So is this History taught in our very selective Marxist/Cultural Marxist/Political Correct Educational Systems?
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
Comment removed
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
Comment removed
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
Thanks for this video. I'm reading for a test and this helped me alot!! :)
Can someone tell me what song is that in the start? I've been looking it from everywhere but i don't know the artist. Please reply!!
Muffindisaster 1 year ago
@Muffindisaster The hurdy gurdy man by Donovan ( i think) good luck
europeandrifter 1 year ago
Usurper supporters are the latest examples of people who throw their country to the pigs.
Navigator777777 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
As Communist we have been fortunate enough to have leaders who have not just leaded revolution but have also left analytical tools for us to use them, its up to us to unite all workers of the world and overthrow Capitalism. Iron-Hand at ohnetinfoo@gmail.com
MrOGSeun 1 year ago
@MrOGSeun - They also had tools who worked in the GULAGS.
SillyKuffar 11 months ago
While I am not at all a fan of Marx or his theories, I cant help but find huge faults with this video. The video is entirely accurate in the historical details of what these leaders did to their citizens,but it fails to give us any truths about the ideology of communism. It fails to give any of the real reasons why communism is a very bad economic substitute and instead shows us a bunch of people dieing and tries to equate the two in the end. Emotional propoganda just meant to intimidate.
jerohare 1 year ago 3
and we are denied our nations integrity by these communists/Marxist/multicultural globalists who call any nationalist a 'fascist'
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
Now the Marxists Communists/New World Order aka British government/EU just use
''racism offences'' and ''the lie of Equality'' and 'Diversity'' to control us..
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago
this is state capitalism, you have been brainwashed by capitalists, quite sad really, stalin disfigured communism,
davidbfc1 1 year ago
@davidbfc1 Ultimately you cannot have an equal society, someone has to be in charge. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore giving someone supreme control over an entire continent is a disaster waiting to happen.
The idea of communism is sound, however, it does not take into account one important factor: Human nature.
Tryst46 1 year ago
This is about all the regimes that called themselves "communist", not about actual communist societies.
Some states that call themselves "democratic"...
Egypt
Uzbekistan
Pakistan
North Korea
Russia
Why not do a montage of them and call it "the real face of democracy"? It would amount to the same thing.
TimeTelescope 1 year ago
None of these countries were ever Marxist. If they really were communist, there would be no state at all. These were all examples of dictatorships with planned economies.
Talentlaust 1 year ago
@Talentlaust marxism can only work if everyone is a marxist. ideally, coercion has no place in marxism, however, when marxism is applied, coercion becomes a requirement. every communist society began with an utopian idealism, and what they became was nothing more than the nature of the idea. marxism demands no competition for resources between individuals. the result is a need for coercion. all communist systems will develop inevitably into 'dictatorships with planned economies'.
ashxlon 1 year ago
@ashxlon
To tell you the truth, I am not a communist. What I am saying is that none of the traditional "communist" countries have ever been communist.
Talentlaust 1 year ago
@Talentlaust i would argue that marxism/communism isn't so cut and dry. it's subject to interpretation as is any ideology. what you get are communist denominations, if you will. i think that the traditional communist countries were all, in fact, communist. perhaps you are right, and they were indeed ideologically perverse. who's to say? marx is dead. an addendum to my previous comment: communism can work if the ability to opt out (or peaceful excommunication) is available. thusly, in communes.
ashxlon 1 year ago
@ashxlon I would have to disagree with you. Communism is defined by the very abolishment of the state ( just as much as capitalism is defined by having a market, or having capitalists). If that is not of the case, then it is called socialism. Even Soviet was named "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics".
Talentlaust 1 year ago
@Talentlaust so would you call the DPRK a democratic republic? even if i were to accept your definition of communism (and i am talking about nation-states here), once the 'people' established control of all means of production, thus rendering the 'people' a synonymous entity with what you would currently call the state, then a social hierarchy would develop naturally. communist states cannot allow competition, so religion and opposition to partisan politics is out. you're left with dictatorship.
ashxlon 1 year ago
@ashxlon
No. I would not call North Korea a democratic republic, as I would not call them communist, and neither would I call China communist or democratic. My point was that not even the Bolsheviks considered the USSR to be communist. Also, let me say this again: I am not a communist. I have severe doubts about communism ever working. Also, this is not my definition of communism. This was Marx' definition, and goal of communism; to abolish the state, into a classless society.
Talentlaust 1 year ago
@Talentlaust i believed you the first time when you told me that you aren't a communist. i also understand that communism aims to abolish the state. i am just saying that if you abolish one state, another state will fill the vacuum. communist communes, however, do work practically. so communism can work on a local level. it can't work on a state level. state communism eliminates competition to the state, whereas local communes present choices and competition. that includes not living communally.
ashxlon 1 year ago
@ashxlon I agree with your views on the practicability of communism, but I was under the impression that we were arguing about the definition of communism.
Talentlaust 1 year ago
This is the true face of socialism
JasonDamisch 1 year ago
It's sad how perverted the image of Communism became.
D3m0nsLuvP13 1 year ago
@D3m0nsLuvP13 The perversion of Communism still exists, it's called Communism. All theories work in the vacuum of the head, but once the hands begin to build, laws become evident, the laws of nature and of nature's God.
MinnesotaFreedom 1 year ago
I have always wondered, how is the state controlling every aspect of life really any different than the market controlling every aspect of life? The clothes I wear, the programs I watch on TV, the stories on the news, the music I listen to, the car I drive, where I eat, when I sleep and on and on, are all controlled by the "free" market.
BuckMako 1 year ago
@BuckMako No, not really- they are guided by you, the consumer. You make choices how you spend your money and the market responds. By buying something, you are sending a signal to the supplier- keep providing it. You are also teling the manufacturer: keep making it. A free market is constructed from millions of decisions from individuals such as yourself.
SpunkOnSchoolUniform 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Why is Communism never as vilified as Nazism? In fact, by these numbers it should be MORE vilified.
You never hear these "anti" fascists condemning Stalins murderous regime.
covnanny 1 year ago
Comment removed
covnanny 1 year ago
Comment removed
covnanny 1 year ago
Yes, Communist inspired Mass Immigration moving in the immigration to destroy the British people and take the land. AKA Labour Tory Liberal Party UK
ENDEUARABIA 1 year ago 2
and yet, capitalism has killed even MORE people and inflicted more harm. just not in large purges, but throughout history. lulz.
itsmeJTke 1 year ago
Friends of mine had their father murdered by Pol Pot because he was a professor. The family, with 5 children under 15 was dumped off in the jungle. They escaped through mined jungle paths. Is Marxism really what we want in the US?
DrE8488 1 year ago
Hey where is Fidel Castro oh that's right only one person has died in jail in the last 30 in communist cuba