Well, acctually hindustani music was only organized into thaats when Bhatkande collected ragas into groups. But even the thaat system doesn't always work. There are ragas which can't be put into categorization. Madhuwanti is one of those, fx.
I want to say so much more, but I don't have too much space......
this is testiment to humble beginnings and magical ends, he is so insturmental in indian musical culture, that it would be right for me to say that he single handily brought the chaotic and unorganized Hindustani classical music to a stop, and nurtured a strict discipline in his pedagogy that ultimately made Baba's two master disciples Ravi Shankar and Ali Akbar Khan to be the forerunner in this great heritage of Indian music.
no it hasnt. organization came with people like the vishnu digambar paluskar and pandit bhatkhande. both you and faisalleszion need to study indian classical history more closely.
My argument is solely on the faisallezion statement that pre-baba hindustani music was unorganized. You are stating that organization came from vishnu digambar who learnt music from Balakrishnabuwa who's style was kayal...which is persian....he did NOT organize nothing. Hindustani music was born long ago when the vedas were written. From panini to bharata's natya shastra..the first raga..sama raga...please research properly.
I'm not saying that organization solely came from them, but the fact is Hindustani music became far more standardized and less susceptible to the disorganized Gharana system because of VD Paluskar and Pt Bhatkhande. Anyways, it's impossible to say exactly what and how music was sung and performed during the time of Bharat.
Hindustani music has only existed since the time of Mughal patronage when Indian classical music split into two forms due to the Persian influence on the music of the Mughal courts. Carnatic music is far closer to the ancient forms of classical music. To say that what is performed today as Hindustani music is the same as it was during the time when Bharat wrote Natya Shastra is a hugely misinformed statement.
The cursing is abusive and excessive, although Faisalleszion may mean well, like many historians, he has sensationalized his perception and appreciation. The world will be better with less of this.
Over the years I've heard thousand times about Baba's Mihar Band, but here for the first time in my life I see that great Mihar Band in action. What a rare clip it is! Thanks, thanks, thanks a lot for posting it.
This is part of the documentary made for the Films Division of the Government of India. They did some very worthwhile things and the public got to see them during regular commercial film shows. It should be available on the Films Division website.
Well, acctually hindustani music was only organized into thaats when Bhatkande collected ragas into groups. But even the thaat system doesn't always work. There are ragas which can't be put into categorization. Madhuwanti is one of those, fx.
I want to say so much more, but I don't have too much space......
gusheneshin 1 year ago
Awesome video post!
thank you.
justinmeditation 2 years ago
this is testiment to humble beginnings and magical ends, he is so insturmental in indian musical culture, that it would be right for me to say that he single handily brought the chaotic and unorganized Hindustani classical music to a stop, and nurtured a strict discipline in his pedagogy that ultimately made Baba's two master disciples Ravi Shankar and Ali Akbar Khan to be the forerunner in this great heritage of Indian music.
faisalleszion 3 years ago
Unorganized???? Where the fuck do you come from. Hindustani music has been organized for atleast 2000 years, fucking moron.
bhartha2007 2 years ago
no it hasnt. organization came with people like the vishnu digambar paluskar and pandit bhatkhande. both you and faisalleszion need to study indian classical history more closely.
inquestofgod 2 years ago
My argument is solely on the faisallezion statement that pre-baba hindustani music was unorganized. You are stating that organization came from vishnu digambar who learnt music from Balakrishnabuwa who's style was kayal...which is persian....he did NOT organize nothing. Hindustani music was born long ago when the vedas were written. From panini to bharata's natya shastra..the first raga..sama raga...please research properly.
bhartha2007 2 years ago 2
I'm not saying that organization solely came from them, but the fact is Hindustani music became far more standardized and less susceptible to the disorganized Gharana system because of VD Paluskar and Pt Bhatkhande. Anyways, it's impossible to say exactly what and how music was sung and performed during the time of Bharat.
inquestofgod 2 years ago
Hindustani music has only existed since the time of Mughal patronage when Indian classical music split into two forms due to the Persian influence on the music of the Mughal courts. Carnatic music is far closer to the ancient forms of classical music. To say that what is performed today as Hindustani music is the same as it was during the time when Bharat wrote Natya Shastra is a hugely misinformed statement.
inquestofgod 2 years ago
Please do your own research before you go around calling others "fucking morons."
inquestofgod 2 years ago
The cursing is abusive and excessive, although Faisalleszion may mean well, like many historians, he has sensationalized his perception and appreciation. The world will be better with less of this.
justinmeditation 2 years ago
Seems like you could open your eyes slightly to see a little deeper.
This great music deserves allot more respect. You're statement is a great disservice to the genius and legacy of Maestro Baba Allaudin Khan.
What about Baba's great disciple and daughter Roshanara Khan, who's name was changed at the tender age of 14 to Annapurna Devi?
Well all could be more respectful and grateful.
Namaskar
justinmeditation 2 years ago
Over the years I've heard thousand times about Baba's Mihar Band, but here for the first time in my life I see that great Mihar Band in action. What a rare clip it is! Thanks, thanks, thanks a lot for posting it.
ghatak1048 3 years ago
Very rare video
Where can i get the full please.
gautamdeusa 4 years ago
This is part of the documentary made for the Films Division of the Government of India. They did some very worthwhile things and the public got to see them during regular commercial film shows. It should be available on the Films Division website.
shadebard 3 years ago
These videos are amazing. Its so rare to see this kind of documentation about Baba Allaudin Khan. Has anyone ever made a longer movie about him?
ragamalaproductions 4 years ago
I had been waiting for a long time for such videos of Baba Allaudin khan saheb. He is such an extraordinary person. Thanks for sharing.
kishoriray 4 years ago