Heritage In Focus: The Immigration Debate

[mrinformado]

@hairyarmedgorilla LOOK UP GUADALUPE TREATY THEN LET'S TALK LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, MEXICANS ARE THE REAL AMERICANS, 27 AMERICAN COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD!

[joillusions9]

This is so insane ! look at this ugly chinese lady ! talking about immigration laws. First of all a mexican latino has more rights than that fucken asian ! later dont be surprise fro all the bombings and shootings , because of this people really make me mad. This asian being racist againts Hispanics really grines my gears !

[joillusions9]

Kirstine Kim you fucken korean ! you already got your greencard, and became UScitizen. Now you are an anti immigration analysis.. Come on ! Who has More of a right an AMERICAN MEXICAN ? or a Fucken ASIAN korean ? Where is this world going ?????????? all these immigrant ASIAN chinese koreans being racist ? WHYYYYYYY

[atta1798]

Hey Heritage Foundation why don;t you keep it HONEST! and enable the likes and dislikes of people instead of manipulating the results which tell me your studies are probably no different,,,,...WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID!

[mrinformado]

@atta1798 good one my freind and very accurate! like i said before mexican street spending alone in revenue out way's her theory by 500% percent! she's ridiculou's!

[atta1798]

Christine I am sure some of what you say is true but not a 100%! you should know better not to profile people...........how about the 40% of the US population that pay NO TAXES...huh! NOW that is a real problem............

[mrinformado]

@atta1798 kristine is just ashamed! and embarassed of her self!, just knowing that a mexican with a first grade education, who is a real estate tycoon, supermarket owner, club owner, and verything else is much more intelligent than her!  Just with street spending alone!, the tax revenue outweigh's her theory by 500%. she's right about one thing it's all about education, if mexicans would know more about their culture we could end this very quickly!

[GXNZVLEZ]

The gov gana take the money anyway mite as well do sumthing good wit it

[Edgarorpinel]

COMENTS ARE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OF JULY OF 1776, IT´S NO MATTER HOW MUCH DO YOU ADD TO TWIST THE CONSTITUTION FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION WITH MORE AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE IS CLEAR, EVERY MAN IS EQUAL REMEMBER THAT, AND PERSUIT LIBERTY,LIFE AND HAPPINESS, SO, SOMEBODY MAY TAKE YOU TO THE CIVIL COURT, REMEMBER THAT.

[silsily2]

wow

[earlsutton]

go back to china mother fucker

[cameron6136]

Cost to us taxpayers? The only group that is not contributing is older Americans who live off of Social security. Immigrants, in this country, work for less than they can live on. They are the true philanthropist.

[hairyarmedgorilla]

No matter what the numbers are, one dime is TOO much to pay for someone who has sneaked into this country, and taken advantage of a system that is made for LEGAL Americans. What can you not get about this not being legal? What if an illegal kills your family member, what if he takes your spot in a hospital, what if he holds your kid back in school, because he doesnt speak English. IT IS AFFECTING YOU. Stop being so damned stupid. They need to leave. Enforce the law! They are criminals.

[joillusions9]

@hairyarmedgorilla So what if ?? But is not happening dumbfuck ! as a matter of fact people doing bombings,shootings, raping girls, are not mexican hispanics. Remember that fucken korean who did a shooting and killed over 30 students ? in 2007 , remember dumbfuck ? so you prefer a legal scumbag like that of an ugly asian lady like this fucken kristine Kim ? Open up retard! dont let TvMedia manipulate your walnut brain. Mexico Canada and USA is NORTH AMERICA, not China, not this fucken Korean!

[Kloser4life]

Appeared to be a very scripted, one-sided bias version of the immigration debate. Minimal detail was given as to what sort of "benefits" undocumented citizens recieve. Personally, there is a lot more to the issue and this was a oversimplification version that is suppose to derail people from seeing both sides of the coin. 1 trillion dollars in ten years...sounds cheap compared to the cost of the Iraq War, both financially and in human casualties. I urge you all to investigate deeper. :-D

[mrluke13]

well rachel elephant these numbers are clearly invented!

[mrluke13]

The thesis of my opponents.

"Illegal immigration costs americans 2.2 billion to feed their children, 2.8 to educated them, it cost americans 20 billion dollars in lost revenue, it cost us 25 billion to house them, $30 billion to house them, taxpayers PAY $35.7 billion/year to maintain illegal immigrants...38.7 billion, 41.2, 44.6 do i hear 50 billion!"

EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT NUMBER IF YOU ANTI IMMIGRANTS CANT GET YOUR NUMBERS RIGHT THEN WHY ARE WE TO BELIEVE ANY OF THESE INFLATED NUMBERS?

[porscheowns16]

why I was here first before you stupid beaner go do my house keeping and cleanup the shit on the toliet or go back to mexico it wasnt illegal to immigrate from europe so i win and white people laid the foundation for humanity you havent dont shit how many great beaner inventers you know??

[porscheowns16]

it was not illegal back then so ha ha you loose!!!!

[mrluke13]

it was to the indians

[asdfpoijc21]

Right, it's 'dangerous' whenever non-white people increase in numbers. That's also how Hitler felt. America is based on low-skilled immigration. It isn't unique to Hispanics. Nor is the bigotry that targets them.

[asdfpoijc21]

"Liberal liberal liberal is all you have to say".

[asdfpoijc21]

Who does that? What would you conservatives be without your over-simplifying stereotypes. Bet you can't even define who is a Liberal. It's just a slur used by Conservatives about anyone who doesn't agree with them.

[crashit0079]

Hey asshole if you want to know what a liberal is in its true meaning go to heritage foundation"how liberals really think" on youtube and this guy nails it! Show how fucked up a liberals mind is...lmfao

[asdfpoijc21]

Irrelevant? So if the holocaust is irrelevant because it happened in the last century?? Don't think so... bigotry looks the same today. Chinese immigrants were clearly associated with a 'cost' otherwise they would not have been excluded as a people. Many say the same things about Hispanics today, e.g "they destroy our culture". Moreover, if you really care about "tax money" you should be calling this very organization on its role in invading Iraq.

[asdfpoijc21]

At one point it was deemed to have been a huge "cost" associated with immigration from Asia.

Perhaps what the speaker is calling for is something of a "Low-skilled Immigration Exclusion Act", modeled on the Chinese Exclusion act.

[asdfpoijc21]

It's not about money. It's class bigotry.

[JustJoelyouassclown]

I would like to know where M(r?)s. Kim got her info. The Center for Immigration studies currently puts the number of illegal tax benefits at $3,000 per household, and about $6-7,500 if all were amnestied.

[essaurodriguez]

one simple example from your idiotic rant: "the immigrants will commit more crime than the native..population" (meaning extracted and paraphrased). Yet every single factual (ie not by organizations with an agenda) study shows the exact opposite. You believe what you want to rationalize your attitudes and beliefs. Don't take my word, look it up.

[joillusions9]

@essaurodriguez your last name is rodriguez, and you talking bullshit like this ? what kinda waste are you ? Who is doing all the Rapes ?? All the mass shootings ? who you fucken sell out ? Dog shit ! your fucken wetbacks parents already crossed the rio gran , and now you all americanized piece of shit think you are the american idol??? Die in hell Smelly beaner !!!!!! you wannane White, but will be a beaner forever !

[mrinformado]

@joillusions9 MEXICANS DIDN'T CROSS ANYTHING, MEXICANS ARE 85% AMERICAN INDIAN, ALL ALL OTHER PEOPLE ARE IMMIGRANTS, INCLUDING THIS DUMB GUKE BITCH! JUST BY COMMERCIAL SPENDING ALONE THE MEXICANS KEEP OUR COUNTRY AFLOAT ! AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP,

[joillusions9]

@mrinformado yeah bro.. i was just mentioning to that fool.... Peace brother.

[essaurodriguez]

actually Tol1234, someone in my position simply states the obvious, not because we've lost the argument, but because i'm attempting to show that your extremist, stubborn beliefs are skewed and therefore illegitimate. moreover, saying that you're "unbiased" or "looking at reality" doesn't make it so and is just another method employed by you in an effort to hide your true feelings.

[bgonza2]

Look at yourself Christine Kim your more Asian than Shrimp Fried Rice, even if your legal in this country or born in this country, your still an immigrant, maybe the U.S. shoud deport you as well, as well as all asians, and the rest of the legal or illegal immigrants (like myself) out of the U.S. You really think your a true American lol, look yourself in the mirror, and think before you write.

[jhybr1d]

ignorant piece of shit. you're a useless mojado.

[asdfpoijc21]

I've seen cancer patients who're less whiny than you. Does ever a freaking day go by without types like you thinking negatively about Mexico? "fed up". O my...loaded words there. And "fed up" with "anchor babies". I find this weakness reprehensible...

[HeritageFoundation]

Your messages are being deleted because you keep using inappropriate language.

[essaurodriguez]

funny how "inappropriate language" to you means anything that reflects negatively on the Heritage Foundation. But causing mass hysteria, overblown xenophobic reactions, and downright racism by pushing what can only be described as propaganda is totally appropriate, huh?

[wetweasel56]

It is a fact that the hispanic population is putting ever increasing strain on the American tax payer in social services. How do think that is going to get better by allowing more illegals to come and stay in the US?

The US will eventually turn into one giant ghetto if we continue to allow this to happen. I don't want to see it happen.

[essaurodriguez]

and no, i'm not the only one who agrees that these facts are bogus. many institutions agree that the her. foundn, again an OPENLY partisan think tank, CREATES very biased results. people like you however completely embrace these "findings" because you try to legitimize your skewed feelings and beliefs and allows you to completely forego the hardships of having to do the morally-correct deed. people like you will always transfer your anger and hate to those who are vulnerable.

[asdfpoijc21]

I think you definitely nailed that. Now, it's others who have to pay the price for their private repressions. As for low-skilled & costs. This is an organization that.. They're content with spending billions of dollars in a foreign nation in a dubious context, but not on people, who've broken their backs literally for the American economy. It's mainly snobbery. They're a bunch of narcissists.

[essaurodriguez]

your flag? everyone has the right to wave whatever flag the want. it is the freedom that the US flag represents, have you forgotten that. and your language? again a freedom guaranteed. that makes you an illegal for attempting to deny anyone of their constitutional freedoms. you not wanting others to retain their culture = you a xenophobe. that's what it means. come to terms with it

[essaurodriguez]

if you look at the real research (peer-reviewed and conducted in a manner consistent with the Scientific Method) you'd see that most of your "fears" don't actually exist, in fact sometimes the opposite is found (example: tax paying). BTW, the her. fd. and the CIS that the media cites all the time are NOT actual reliable sources of info as they have an agenda.

[essaurodriguez]

lou dobbs? is this you? its got to be you 'cause you're mouth appears to be spewing the exact same biased excrement.

[essaurodriguez]

yes, let me tell u what i think we should do in 500 characters or less! unfortunately, my solution involves more than the usual harassment and a "rope round-up" of all things brown. i think u really underestimate how much these people can and do positively impact our day-to-day life style and you seem to be in an EXTREMELY frightened & pissed off state (like so many others; such as oh, i don't know, the whole middle-east). hope you get well.

[essaurodriguez]

don't get me wrong wendal, i'm not for open borders, and immigration reform is something that EVERYONE should condsider. but at least be aware that extremists that are for open borders are the opposite of extremists that would not think twice about dissolving a family's life just cause they're "criminals"(people like this will use faulty, incomplete, or biased info and statistics as scare tactics to get a point across)

[franciscosta72]

The Heritage foundation said that the cost of illegal immigration can reach 2.6 trillion dollars over a period of 18 years. Brazil and Russia's GDP combined barely reaches 2 trillion dollars. Brazil has 189 million people and Russia 150 million. Dear reader, do you know how old these 2 countries are and how long it took 330 million people to get to the GDPs they have nowadays? We are talking here about 10 to 15 million immigrants in USA.

[franciscosta72]

...."Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs,[19] Supplemental Security Income." For further information, please do a google search "The Taxation of Undocumented Immigrants"

[franciscosta72]

Now, Heritage Foundation not only lowered the figure from 3.9 trillions in 10 years to 1 trillion (still a rubbish), but they also put an immigrant descendant to speak a memorized line to try to confer the video more credibility. It did not work. Check out other videos of Heritage Foundation about immigration. Do they deserve any credibility?

[franciscosta72]

The Heritage foundation said BEFORE that the cost of illegal immigration is 2.2 trillion dollars and they say that in a 10 years period it may reach 3.9 trillion dollars. Brazil and Russia's GDP combined barely reaches 2 trillion dollars. Brazil has 189 million people and Russia 150 million. Dear reader, do you know how old these 2 countries are and how long it took them to get to their GDPs of nowadays? We are talking about 12 to 15 million immigrants in USA.

[Crickettedog]

@essaurodriqquez: I choose to be me and no one else. I am quite capable of thinking for myself. I know the difference between legal and illegal. I don't need others to tell me that. The illegal immigrants were no invited to the USA. But they can qualify to be legal immigrants. All illegal immigrants should be deported if they cannot prove that they are legal.

[essaurodriguez]

I do however applaud your courage. Indeed, come out and embrace your irrational feelings; after all, those feelings seem to be driving the US lately. Leave denial behind, throw on a hood, and chase ALL illegal immigrants down. We wouldn't want them intermingling with our good, blue eyed, blond hair children, do we?

[essaurodriguez]

I do however applaud your courage. Indeed, come out and embrace those irrational feelings; after all, those are the kind of feelings that seem to be driving the US nowadays. Leave denial behind, throw on a hood for everyone to see, and chase down EVERY SINGLE one of those evil immigrants. We wouldn't want them mingling with our good, well-behaved, blue eyed, blond haired children, do we?

[Crickettedog]

@essaurodriquez: I'm not courageous. My feelings are irrational because I want the laws of the land obeyed? It is not my job to chase down anyone. That is a figment of your imagination. Personally, I know of no one that has blond hair and blue eyes.

[essaurodriguez]

A bit over a hundred years ago, it was illegal to run away from your slave-master. The main point is that an administrative law does NOT always correlate with proper and good moral judgement.

[essaurodriguez]

IN FACT, constitutional law, which in our great U.S. of A. trumps all administrative law, guarantees ALL PEOPLE the right to wave any flag AND speak any language they like and is now under attack by people like you. Who is the real "illegal" here? You and others like you will cite laws whenever applicable to your skewed beliefs.

[essaurodriguez]

Crickettedog, i apologize if i've made you uncomfortable. But i simply wish i could somehow make you see the hate that i've had to endure just because of how i look, regardless of my education and profession. And the fact is that these illogical and undeniably racist feelings are fueled by a fear that is founded on ignorance. I don't blame anyone; but please, please don't be one of them. Learn the truth.

[essaurodriguez]

However, I have found a peer reviewed article that appeared in the Tax Lawyer (published by Georgetown University) last year. In it, Mr. or Mrs. Crickettedog, you will find that it says the exact opposite of what you and the Heritage Foundation believe. Do a google search for "francine lipman + ssrn" and look for an article entitled The Taxation of Undocumented Immigrants: Separate, Unequal, and Without Representation.

[Crickettedog]

@JamesClerkManwell: Its is not going to happen until you assist in making it happen. What plans if any do you have?

[essaurodriguez]

Sorry, it should say: "some derive income.....". Some are legit. Heritage Foundation however acquires major support from nearly 100 major corp. (GM, Procter & Gamble, etc.)

[Crickettedog]

@essaurodriquez: Why would corporations seek support from nearly 100 major corporations? The corporations will not benefit from the Heritage Foundation's research. It's exactly the opposite.

[essaurodriguez]

1. the Heritage Foundation needs money to conduct their "research"; 2. the big corp machine looks good for making a contribution to an org that believes in good ol' fashion values. The only customer base the corp is gambling with is the illegal immigrant one. But the illegals will soon find out. WAIT!! They probably don't have internet access and i'm almost positive that their consumer decisions are based more on necessity and not on what GM thinks of them.

[essaurodriguez]

On the issue of economic consequence, "The belief that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy...is UNDENIABLY FALSE. Every empirical study of illegals' economic impact demonstrates the opposite...undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services". This is quoted from a PEER REVIEWED study. Look up peer reviewed if u dont know what it means. Google: "J. Lipman, Francine, + ssrn" for study.

[Crickettedog]

@essaurodriquez: Last week a representative from the Heritage Foundation was on C-Span, The Washington Journal program. The woman on the video didn't begin to mention all of what the Heritage Foundation's research found. The costs in dollars and American lives are insurmountable. Until you openly admit to the American citizens that the illegal immigrants disobeyed the immigrations laws and should be deported, the illegals will never be safe or accepted in the USA.

[Crickettedog]

I don't believe the Heritage Foundation. It is a conservative think tank and I am not a conservative. I am a liberal.

[draghollow]

It's quite simple. the government taxes the citizens in order to give the illegals money so they can make purchases from rich companies. The illegals are consumers. Big business knows this and feels that it's alright to steal from the averags citizen so that illegals can spend the money.

[RumbieSalad]

If the illegal immigration bill passes this week, it would seem to me that the rest of us should break the law. The main reason they state they are doing this is because 12-15 million people are too hard to catch. Then maybe we should not file our taxes. Because based on the logic of this bill 300 million would be impossible to catch. The Democrats and the Republicans are both to blame for this mess.

If you the SSI and Medicare has big issues now just wait...

[StLukey7]

lies, one trillion dollar debt???? why didnt you cry babies say anything earlier? are you suggesting that these folks who have been here for 20 years are doing something

[Crickettedog]

@StLukey7: Is your message complete? What cry babies are you speaking of?

[AaronSG002]

We have room for but one flag, the American Flag. We have room

for but one language, the English language, and we have room for

but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American people.

Pres. Theodore Roosevelt.

[StLukey7]

what the hell does that quote have to do with immigration?????????????

[oneslickjackrabbit]

I recall another compromise that caused a civil war: The compromise of 1850. I also recall that Rome was once a republic before the senate got so corrupted that the common folk asked for (and got) a Ceasar.

We live in dangerous times, folks. Hope you've got your gun and food stash ready.

[myndenway]

But what do they contribute to the nation? Oh yes, we need people to flip us more Big Macs and mow our lawns. I forgot.

Unfortunatley, we already have our own native-born bums and high school dropouts to flip our burgers and mow our lawns, why do we need to import tens of millions of another nation's high school dropouts and then try to find jobs for them?

Explain that to me.

[Crickettedog]

@myndenway: If the corporation would pay Americans a living wage, there would be no need for non-educated immigrants. I have been trying for 5 years to help a Polish friend get a visa so he could visit the USA. The US will not grant him a visa just to visit for 90 days. If he could cross a border to get into the USA, he'd have it made in the shade.

[myndenway]

There is no need for illegal Mexican immigrants. There never was. My point was that we have plenty of Americans to do most of those jobs and automation will take care of the rest.

[myndenway]

But they will contribute children to the over burdened schools, they will contribute criminals to the over burdened prison system, they will contribute violent crimes to an already criminally-saturated society, they will contribute sick patients to the over burdened health care system.Tthey will contribute fecal matter to the over strained sewer system, they will contribute congestion to our already plugged roads, etc.

[myndenway]

The math is simple. Illegals take much more than they will ever contribute. Just by being here, America has to service them socially even if they pay not one cent in tax. And since low income people pay virtually nothing in income tax, they contribute nothing to the national coffers.

[guitarflipper]

If the job doesn't pay whomever does it will cost the system. Illegal or not. This logic is a joke. If we want to save the system money, remove the low paying jobs. Filling the jobs with US citizens won't save a dime. Heritage Foundation = "stink tank"

[jgorczyca]

Why should I pay higher taxes to support ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. They need to be deported.

[guitarflipper]

You're not paying higher taxes because of illegals. You are paying higher taxes because anyone who does these low-leve jobs costs the system. Maybe you'd like your rood done by a high paid executive. Pay UP!!

[guitarflipper]

Typo: rood = roof

[NWesterner]

From what I see on this page of responses, the writers don't really have a clue.

3 years ago in Tucson, AZ 3 of 4 level 1 trauma centers had to close down due to non-payment by illegals, leaving ONE major trauma center open for all of Southern Arizona. ONE.

I'm not sure what the status there is now.

[guitarflipper]

Maybe you'd like to start paying more for your garbage removal, lawn care, roofing services, etc. If you did, you'd have people who could afford health insurance. Those jobs will be filled. Do you really think that a U.S. citizen doing any of those jobs can afford health care? Wise up!

[NWesterner]

Just an FYI and nothing more. Last year here in WA state, the farmers were complaining of not having enough labor. The immigrants moved into construction, casinos, etc. My son applied at vineyards, orchards etc. and they wouldn't hire him. FYI also, he's tall, blonde, blue eyed. So *shrug* I've been doing all my own stuff for years, no immigrant work at my house.

[Crickettedog]

@guitarflipper: There should be a level playing field. Pay the Americans a living wage, finally admit that good medical care is a right. Then many of those problems could be solved.

[essaurodriguez]

The Heritage Foundation employs Policy Analysts. Although most do have PhD's and so forth, they are now employed by an organization whose goal is to "formulate and promote conservative public policies..."(their website). Their "research" is NOT intended for scholarly purposes and is NOT subjected to scrutiny by others in the field.

[jerryku]

Any honest person knows that illegal immigrants are better for America's economy than black people have been. But right wingers are cowards. They want to take down blacks but are afraid to say it in public. So they move onto illegal immigrants.

Connect the dots people. Listen to this crazy lady: "We can't let illegals into America because they burden the welfare state." She's also implying that we can't let blacks have too many babies. Christ.

[ponhand]

untrue