Freedom of speech goes both ways here...each should go to their corner and let the other believe what they want. Let God sort them out when the time comes.
Pastor Troy got in that ass!! #nohomo I hate how some white people think they're so much smarter than blacks. The black preacher was articulate and made his points very clear while the white minister acted like he was the authority on the subject.
How is this about RACE???? You sound like a fool! And so did that gay guy... how can you equate practicing homosexuality with slavery...? Dick has got that guy crazy
@anthropological The topic may have not been about "RACE", but I was speaking to the racial undertones displayed by the white man's approach in conversing with the black guy. I find that, more often than not, white men tend to act like they are the authority on every subject while attempting to make black men feel as though they are inadequate as it pertains to the art of debating.
Its the WORD, no women should be preachers to men, no effeminate to enter into the kingdom, how hard is it to understand, its not and they know it, they just dont want to look into the mirror so they can continue to Sin little do they know they are flirting with the unforgivable sin which is causing the Holy Spirit to grieve. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Hahahahah the downfall of evangelical hypocritical christianity,... let shame be put on all those fake churches... let them fall apart and let them weep over all the lost church members... more evangelicals are flocking to the truth of catholicism
The person on the right that says re-evaluation is needed on the validity of certain scripture needs to read 2 Tim 3:16. Also, he is taking scripture out of context concerning cultural statements made by Paul dealing with women and slavery. No place in scripture is homosexuality ever condoned. Like it or not, there is only one way: Acts 4:12. Both of them are examples of Titus 1:16 where they deny God by their deeds.
@Born2Flesh Jebus NEVER says anything about "homosexualtiy". The word never appears in original translations of the buy bull. It was always, "men who lie with men", until church liars changed it for obvious reasons. You are a liar. Apparently you've never read the buy bull.
Changes aren't the case here. If you're referring to an alteration of the Scriptures and Gospel, then that is dealing with the over-simplified translation of the text. Over a long period since notable periods like the Renaissance, the Bible has been translated in order for it to be understood to different people.
You are right. Homosexuality is never mentioned by Christ. The letters do in fact say that homosexual offenders would not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Anyone catch that both of these false ministers stated that they present "A gospel", but what they didn't say was that they donot preach "The OneTrue Gospel" . They are preaching another gospel and another Jesus and adding their humanistic and own views contrary to what the Holy Bible states because they don't like reading "The Truth" concerning their sin. Love the sinner and hate the sin. Woe to those who call evil good. Please don't follow these false teachers.
@dollars2donuts1 There is no such thing "one true gospel". Anyone, like yourself, who claims that there is, is the "false teacher". Your buy bull is full of contradictions, hearsay and superstition. we have no eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. The gospel writers never even met Jebus and no historians contemporary to Jebus even mention him. IT IS ALL HEARSAY and your god is an inept communicator. Get your head out your ass and do some research.
On the contrary, it is very clear that Paul is condemning all sexual immorality, IN GENERAL,consistent with the law of Moses (Paul was a jewish Pharisee prior to his conversion).In the context of his writings both in Corithian & in Romans,it's impossible that he was making any such distinctions as U allege,nor is there ANY proof that Paul is referring to so-called homosexual temple prostitution which has also been alleged, I encourage everyone here to check out the YT debate w/Dr Michael Brown
Is the black guy forgetting that a lttle over 50 years ago his own people were made to drink from different water fountains, sit on different sections on buses and even get hanged because of the colour of their skin. And he preaches hate, very hypocritical
Ted Haggard, all you have to do, is say "I'm Bisexual, and I think I'm alright with that." and you'd get the love of the LGBT community and many straight people as well.
@ccheng21 Down Low gays like Teddy boy will never stand up and admit what they really are. Ted Haggard is a flaming HYPOCRITE! so what ted wanted to do was to continue to live a LIE, preach 1 thing and then sneak off with some male hooker for homosexual sex! folks like him literally make me sick! Has ted given any thought to the many people he hurt and misled how they need some counseling? Noooooooooooo! this jerk only thinks of himself. I rejoice that he was EXPOSED!
@jollysincere I totally agree with you 100% piggy backing what you said (somewhat) these pastor's know that being homosexual is not a sin. These ancient men Apostles- Philosophers- Writers expressed themselves totally different then we do today. People where trick and brought into these misleading text for so long so it's like to them why teach the truth known? 1 people won't believe it 2. they go elsewhere 3. the church lose money... So we'll keep teaching it and rack in doe!!! it's really sad
@Tommy4503 not only are these so-called preachers "Down Low" they are "Low Down" scoundrels! too! This type of behavior is fore told in the bible, people having itchy ears, and many false misleading con artist rising up to take advantage of the gullible. You can find loud mouth fake preachers just as easily as you can find a five dollar whore. but unlike the 5$ hooker, these gal-boys are doing much greater harm. can i get an AMEN?
@jollysincere Amen to that!!! You can tell a lie so many times you can get the whole world to believe it.... Researching is at people finger tips but a lie is more for filling for them... The word homosexual was not added to the bibles until 1946 -1947 and the KJV badly translated to English... But my argument is at those that choose to teach these hateful lie's in the name of GOD and who knowingly knows the real truth but continue to teach these lies only spreading hate in the name of GOD
See? I've said it before; this total and complete hypocrital liar Ted Haggard didn't learn a thing from his downfall and will probably soon be back in charge of some huge, billion-dollar megachurch preaching hate and divisiveness. And probably choosing from among his 10 Rolls Royces to drive there every Sunday. Sickening.
While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws,nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emerging
When God says walk in the truth , He means walk in HIS truth not you own .. When God says walk in righteousness , its not your righteousnes but HIS righteouness.. To many people twisting the Gospel of Jesus Christ .. To walk in truth is to walk in the commandments of the Lord. Stop misleading the sheep...Read you bible and seek HIS understanding not your own .. Trust in the lord with all thine heart and lean not on your own understanding. This is what happens when you do ..REPENT !
WTF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN STOP!!!!!!THERE IS NO SUCH THING YOU CAN LIVE LIFE HOW. YOU WANT I'AM JUST BEING REAL THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE WHO THINK IT IS LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIS SOUL!!!!
Gay man in his 50s here -- RE; the Vid: yeah - its pretty clear now - all the "Phobes" are fags in the closet...they are dick sucking fags - come out come out bro -- this gay man wont judge you but you have to stop telling people to hate gays when your F**King Gay - bro....
In the eyes of the one true living God, homosexuality is wrong for both sexes. God refers to this sin as an abomination. Man however, in his sinful, rebellious, and fallen state, not only justifies and accepts this despicable sin but mocks God while doing so. Is it worth it for a person to risk separating themselves from God for eternity for the lies and lusts of this world? God loves man but he hates sin and unrepented sin has eternal consequences.
These are scriptures concerning the sinners. HOMOSEXUALS ARE INCLUDED!!! The bible says you will not inherit the Kingdom. In Romans God turns them over to a reprobate mind.
It's plan and needs no interpretation just read it as it is written and live Holy
@Satorain2 Boy, u r decieved and twisted in your beliefs. And, the funny thing about it is that YOU would say that it is I who is twisted and decieved. Homosexuals are NOT included in these verses. You can twist the Bible around to MAKE it say what you WANT it to say. And, people have done that since the Bible was written to suit THEIR OWN SELFISH AND HATEFUL purposes. Those who hate blacks ENDORSED slavery right from the Bible. Those who ENDORSED segregation did so through Bible verses. True?
EL might not have been living with gay tendancies when he spoke here which is perhaps why he said what he said here in this clip, still not quite moving to me but to say the least...
Forget theology, ask a dr this lifestyle is dangerous, theres a reason why life insurance companies either wont cover or out right refuse to cover them.
This so called preacher has a message of anything goes.
Forget theology, ask a dr this lifestyle is dangerous, theres a reason why life insurance companies either wont cover or out right refuse to cover them.
May God bless Pastor Ted Haggard richly for preaching His truth. And to "Pastor" Troy Sanders, there is no such thing as a " gay minister" of God. As a practising & unrepentant homosexual, you are not of God but of Satan, the devil. It is the word of God itself, that you supposedly preach, that condemns your sinful lifestyle. You delude only yourself and unrepentant gays that you are a "minister" of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says homosexuals will never enter heaven.
Another self hating homophobe, imagine that? Seriously, Why do these people condemn something so loudly and then wonder why people consider them hypocrites when they are caught. It's really true, the more someone bitches about how they hate homos they end up gay. Well I guess this is why people are finding out how idiotic religious people are.
If a man says it is natural 4 him to commit murder or adultery on ones spouse, robbery,or physically/sexually abuse childern or habitually lie or engage in bestiality do we say OK...He's just wired that way? Man knows these are morally wrong, for in the image of GOD he is made! (he voilates the dictates of his conscience) for there to be moral laws there must also be a moral LAWGIVER (GOD) if theres no law giver- why obey? Mens consciences accuse or excuse their behavior...... Romans 2:2
...They twist the scriptures to their own destruction as they do the REST of the scriptures( 2Pet 3:15) Paul asked a rhetorical question - Do U not know (understand) that the unrighteous shall not enter the kingdom of GOD? don't deceive yourselves, neither the sexually immoral, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, theives, liars, drunkards, covetous persons, etc; and such WERE SOME OF YOU, but NOW you are cleansed from these things by the Holy Spirit
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD and is profitable 4 reproof, correction & doctrine 4 instruction in RIGHTEOUSNESS 2 Tim 3:16 the word of GOD did not originate from mans own imagination or private interpetation, but holy men were moved (wrote) by the Spirit of God 2Pet 1:20-21 the Apostle Peter equated Pauls writings- his contempary as living SCRIPTURE 2Pet 3:15 so it is not man that you reject, but GOD... my (Jesus) words will reject him @ the last day Jn 12:48
@Paradoxical18 :::The bible making claims for itself is like me writing a book and claiming to be the king of Siam. I still am not, no matter how often my book would say so. The bible is the word of man (Ehrman) or the word of man about God (Pearson). More and more, the bible will be proved to be inaccurate, and in some cases, just totally wrong and damaging to believers.
@Muyomi Because I'm a Muslim I am compelled to inform you of that which you don''t know: You must love what God loves and hate what He hates. Without doubt He hates homosexuals. Homos are going to Hell unless they repent while they are alive, and know that repentance has three conditions:
Did Ted say, "You cannot use your religion to tyranize others?". OMG!! I am incredulous after he did that with the gay community for years and would've continued had he not been caught. What a repugnant hypocrite. And, now, he's back to bilking fearful, gullible, slothful fat asses. What a joke America has become.
This is ridiculous and absurd! This whole homosexuality topic in its entirety. People know what's right from what's wrong. Let's for a momment exclude gays in the church. Matter of fact let's not even talk about anything 2 do with religion. Man has a stick. Women have a hole. People know dam well that its a man and a woman. That's why it's embarassing. But being gay doesnt mean ur a bad person. THATS NOT WHAT IM SAYING AT ALL. It's plainly and simply not the way its posed 2 be
Homosexuality is about an all around emotional, physical, and sexual attraction to the same sex. And not being a pervert or part of a global conspiracy to turn everybody gay. Opponents of gay rights assert that homosexuality is a recent sickness of society that has temporarily upset our natural heterosexual state of being. Gay advocates retort that this claim is demonstratively false, since homosexuality occurs frequently in many species.
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue
Why is it that religulous people seem to be blind to the fact that homosexuality is natural (and by religulous I mean only the three desert, abrahamical fuck-ups) ?
The natural existence of homosexuality in non-human animals is considered controversial by conservative religious groups who oppose LGBT social movements because these findings seem to point to the natural occurrence of homosexuality in humans.
Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a biological occurrence. People can choose to suppress or deny the feelings they have due to conflicts of religion, personal morality, or anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that those feelings are still there, regardless of whether the person consciously recognizes or is aware of them.
If one tries to deny innate feelings such as these, they are at high risk of ending up unhappy, and maybe not even understanding why. Personal denial of one's sexuality due to outside pressures is a common cause of suicide. To deny your own feelings is to deny a part of yourself, a part of what makes you, you. The long-term suppression of any feeling is unhealthy, this is no different. Just because you're not openly homosexual, doesn't mean you're not homosexual at all.
Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a biological occurrence. People can choose to suppress or deny the feelings they have due to conflicts of religion, personal morality, or anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that those feelings are still there, regardless of whether the person consciously recognizes or is aware of them.
People which pretend gay people don't exist and don't want their kids to learn about tolerance and diversity are the same people who in the U.S. apposed desegregation. They are called a waste of flesh, idiots, selfrightous bigots. If God would exist, He would consider people like him hateful and an embarrassment to creation, selfrighteous, judgmental, first to throw a stone
and using His name for their own protection and agenda.
@MrWisePete: Romans 1 26 is the word of YOUR God, not mine. In my religion all people are loved. But besides that, you miss the history of the Epistle. It's to Romans at a time when understanding of human sexuality was not as studied nor as developed as now. It's not Americans 1 26, it's Romans 1 26. But that's the problem with some Christians. They apply " their God's word" to everyone ignoring the historical context of their scripture. Fundamentalism is not only false, but harmful.
I just LOVE how this is one issue in which heterosexual men and women (most of whom have sex outside of marriage) can feel all high and moral as they screech "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL". If they are, that's between them and God. As I remember God didn't give HUMAN CHRISTIANS the right to judge and condemn. In fact, Christians should be the most loving forgiving people on Earth, out of reverence for the death of Christ.
@Chaosprincess01 it has nothing to do with being high/mighty/judging...but I ask u this...if I know u are going to walk blindly off a cliff to ur death am I more loving to let u drop or to scream WATCH OUT!?
the only reason christians try to help others is from their love for Christ. sure there are "christians" who condemn & turn up their nose, but they are false & lost anyway so it doesnt matter. I dont hate gays but if they dont stop it, it will carry eternal consequences.
Homosexuality is the one sin that has gotten groups of people to gather in unison to defend itself. It's the one sin that eradicates the true marriage between man and women in Christ which is supposed to reflect the marriage a Christian will have with Christ in the new heaven and new earth for eternity (after judgement). You're setting up yourself for damnation if you practice this lifestyle.
@MrWisePete AMEN! Why won't those in support of Homosexuality ADRESS this Verse?
ROMANS 1:
26 "For this reason God gave them up to VILE passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the (natural use of the woman), burned in their lust for one another, (men with men) committing what is SHAMEFUL, and receiving in themselves the PENALTY of their error which was due." They ignore & skip this one! THIS IS GOD'S WORD!
Sadly we have Bishops, Pastors etc who are not preaching the word of God, (whether to apease people for a larger congregation or to convince themselves that it's okay so as to validify their own sinful activities) instead they are succumbing to worldly or should i say humanist ideologies on what's right and wrong. Its a big shame.
@MrsD7777 yea yea, who cares... what god... don't you see the hypocrisy in your churches... not against church, but police your own selves before you try to tell others how to live...
@MrsD7777 And YOU skip the fact that your buy bull is full of contradictions. You cherry - pick, just like all "christians", to fit your beliefs. Psalm 119:160, Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments ENDURETH FOREVER. Romans 6:14, Ye are NOT under the law, but under grace. There are many others. As far as addressing that verse, Paul was probably a big closet case. It is all hearsay. Your emotional attachment to it does not make it true.
@richwfd2002 So...your answer to Romans 1:26-27 is: "Paul was probably a big closet case" ? *LOL*!!! U quote Bible Verses that have NOTHING to do with supporting homosexuality, U refuse to admit Romans 1:26-27 does NOT support it, U quote "Thy word is true from the beginning", but Romans is NOT true? Hearsay? Ha! So u call GOD & his WORD Lies?
@MrsD7777 As usual, a "christian" mischaracterizes someone's argument that does not agree with theirs. I never said Romans supports homosexuality. According to you, the buy bull is true because it says it is. Grow up. Harry Potter is true using that same "reasoning". We have NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life and he says NOTHING about "men who lie with men". It is a book full of contradictions and hearsay, as is the Koran. If we used your reasoning, we would stone disobedient cont'...
@richwfd2002 *LOL*@U "Grow Up"! <---Yes U should! I repeated your OWN words back to U and U call that a "mischaraterization"? Thank GOD words like yours mean NOTHING against the TRUE WORD OF GOD! When U leave this Earth U will see HIM as he IS, then U can tell HIM to his face his WORD is nothing but hearsay! GOD help u then for SURE! You are wasting computer time! IGNORE!!!! :D
@MrsD7777 to death, kill nonvirgin brides, punish people for eating shellfish or wearing polyester etc...GOd is supposed to be unchanging, so your old testament argument does not fly. This hearsay and contradictions would not even be admitted in a court of law. Take your arrogant prayers and shove 'em.
@MrsD7777 ...and like most ignorant, judgmental Christians like you al over the black church, you pick and choose which verses you want to roll into a crown of thorns and place on the head of gay people but you stop there instead of reading a few verses down:
Romans 2:1 You (MrsD7777), therefore, have no excuse, you (MrsD777) who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you (MrsD7777) are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
@polobear1975 1 Corinthians 6:2 "Do ye not know that the saints shall JUDGE the world? and if the world shall be JUDGED by you, are ye unworthy to JUDGE the smallest matters?" Nice Try! PEACE!
@MrsD7777 Fool, the "natural use of the woman" is to carry and have children. u know men can't have children right?. Being gay does not interfere with women having children...the "natural use of the woman" has yet to be messed with. To the rest of this you are NOT supposed to (according to this scripture) do what is unnatural and against YOUR orientation. U missed whole whole point of the passage. Paul isnt talking about gays but straight folk LIKE YOU who commit gay acts when they kno better
@MrsD7777 Fool, the "natural use of the woman" is to carry and have children. u know men can't have children right?. Being gay does not interfere with women having children...the "natural use of the woman" has yet to be messed with. To the rest of this you are NOT supposed to (according to this scripture) do what is unnatural and against YOUR orientation. U missed whole whole point of the passage. Paul isnt talking about gays but straight folk LIKE YOU who commit gay acts when they kno better
@polobear1975 Fool, the "Natural Use of a Woman" means that GOD CREATED the Womans Body for MAN, Natural Sexual Relations between a MAN and a WOMAN! So that she Can get Pregnant DUH! Anything else GOD calls "Unnatural Affection! What a waste of time U are! When U see GOD Face to Face on THAT DAY, U will be in for a RUDE AWAKENING! (hope its not too late) PEACE! :D
I don't think God is pleased with what you said (lol). Matter of fact, I don't think I'm a waste of God's time. I'm good and gay. I love God. I love you because as a Christian, I'm not afforded the luxury of hating you for the lexiconical feces you spout. Anyway, I love a sanctimonious pretend Christian (assuming that you consider yourself one) like you because I get to imagine what it would be like once you actually learn what GOD says
@MrsD7777 actually, it's Paul's word. God never said anything like that. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean that God advocates it. Remember, Paul also condoned slavery.
@notaniceguy34 2 Timothy 3:1 16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" My GOD said "ALL" Scripture! U can call him a liar if U want, GOD Help U! PEACE!
@LeanderVillarta 2 Timothy 3:1 16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" My GOD said "ALL" Scripture! U can call him a liar if U want, GOD Help U! PEACE!
@MrsD7777 If you think that people who don't hate homosexuals need to explain that, then you need to explain all the verses calling for rape, murder, slavery, incest, etc. Should we be stoning people for wearing mixed fabric? Don't act like the Bible is this clear document that doesn't have any problematic verses that approve of the most immoral acts imaginable. You can't pick and choose.
@MrsD7777 Your silly little verse says that your god made people homosexual as a punishment. Why did he make people into something he hates just so that he can punish them even more for that thing? It's a rhetorical question really; I'm not at all interested in hearing your explanation, 'cause your god is just a storybook character unlike Sauron, except your god is much less interesting.
@opinionatorX Jesus never says anything about "men who lie with men". Look it up. Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail, do not expect others to.
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, Didn't Jesus say, that you are gods? You are gods with a little'g'. Don't you understand that you are mighty? Don't you know that you are a king? If Elohim (gods)could only get you to act like El (God). I don't have to have somebody tell me that Sunday I preached. I looked in the mirror and said to myself, 'You preached!' Then I gave myself an offering. It is so important that you change your vocabulary. A lot of the stuff I found myself in, I spoke it.
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, "How would you feel if I announced to you that if you declared something that it had to happen? You have enough glory in your mouth that when you declare a thing, then it shall be established. Touch your neighbor and say, You got power in your mouth. Tell them, There is power in your words. If you go to the graveyard you better watch out! People might come crawling out of their graves because you got the manifesting power [When you speak words of faith]."
The quotable false prophet and Bishop, Eddie Long, “We don't want to accept that God calls us gods! But just as soon as you realize that, I am a god. And as revelations reveal, I am a king. He is King of kings. He is God of gods! All of us together, say it! All of us together, you didn't do that right! Slap somebody, say, All of us in this place now together are like God! We like foreplay with God, but we make sure we have our spiritual contraceptives on!”
The quotable false prophet and Bishop, Eddie Long “ I know who I am! And, and, and, see, when you know who you are, wherever you go, as a god, as a king, you have an entourage. You have security. See, we miss what evangelism is and what being saved is. And what being gods are. We walk around and be Him! Little Him's You ain't recognized who you are. And you don't recognize as a god you have territory. So God cannot release your wealth because you still don't know you have a territory.”
The quotable Bishop Eddie Long, “That's the reason why when you look in the mirror and you ought to say, Good morning God. Now, I ain't talking about your flesh. I ain't talking about you. But inside of you there is a piece of God. And if you don't recognize that you'll call yourself wretched. My whole objective in life is to be His image, His duplicate, His witness and to show folk what He look like because, before nobody seen Him. Somebody say, I want to see God. Here He is, look at me!”
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, “You have been saved too long to be broke! You've been saved too long! And you don't need another sermon. You need to get up and understand that you are mighty in God. You need to get up and understand that Elohim (gods) stands in the congregation of El (God). You need to get up and understand you are, He sent! And if all you got is $5.00 to give now, give $6.00! Do you believe that this situation can change? Then speak to it! Talk your way out of it.”
@Rylucero ROTFL!!!@Eddie Long "And if all you got is $5.00 to give now, give $6.00!" The only poor people Eddie loves in this world is young teen boys! No wonder he IS being investigated by the good ole Internal Revenue Service!
& WHERE in GOD's Holy Bible did GOD himself call fleshly MAN God's??? 1 John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Its Jesus, Not Eddie WRONG Long!
theres no such thing as a gay minister or gay christian. if youre practicing a gay lifestyle and claiming youre christian, youre lying to God, yourself and everyone else.
@rusda2 exactly, just like there is no such thing as a lying christian, or murdering christian. You can't stay in sin and think you are a Christian.You got to come out of your sin and turn away! Glad somebody understands.
@whitfieldmusic1 yea it's strange how it seems so hard for even "christians" to understand, we are supposed to be different and follow Christ not following the worlds way.
Silly little man, god does not exist. Your book of fairytales is filled with false asumptions and silly stories in order for a primitive tribe of shepards to understand the world around them. Your god is nothing but a mix between YHWH Sabaoth (God of War), Baal, Asherah, Marduk and El Elyon (El Shadai). Jesus Christ is nothing more than a mix between Mithra, Horus, The Imperial Cult (the cult which worshiped Caesars as Gods) etc.
1. @almcrew Hi friend, I have to disagree. God's word tells us what a Christian is, which is a follower of Christ. Jesus never gave us a gay lifestyle example to follow. Jesus, since He is God & the Creator of all things including us, gave us an example of a man with a woman as His revealed will. If we just use logic alone, we know if in the beginning God had created Adam and Steve, the race would have died out with them. Plus scripture is filled with negative references to homosexuality. (cont)
2. @almcrew The bible is very plain that those who practice the gay lifestyle are doomed to be excluded from the kingdom of God and will suffer punishment, then everlasting death.
Please friend, I beg you, don't fall for this deception that homosexuality is acceptable to God, it is not. Jesus can give you victory over this sin if you want it and if you let Him. It's your choice. In the end you will either choose salvation, or choose sin & death. It's your call. Do right. Take care
@rusda2 I think the lord can understand what your mind cannot. The same bible is talking about stoning people when they Sin. At the end of the day he wouldn't be happy if we do that today. Don't be surprised that when we all go to heaven, you see more good gays than bad hetero's up there.
@almcrew I think u could understand the truth better than u are willing to if u would let go of ur cherished sin of homsexuality. Heteros can go to hell just like gays. heteros who have sex outside of marriage are not "good" anymore than practicing gays. ur idea that somehow God will make an exception for u & other "good" gays is going to be the shock of your life. the practice of homosexuality is CLEARLY CONDEMNED in scripture...unless u are like most gays and ignore those verses. ur choice.
@almcrew HELLO....HELLO....IS THERE ANYBODY HOME?...When will you fools admit that it's all just BS! There is no god and the bible is fictitious. There is no archaeological evidence for any of it, no extra biblical accounts of any of it and it is mostly plagerised from much earlier texts! WAKE UP!
The Bible says that "we are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ, and this is true for everyone who believes, NO MATTER WHO WE ARE" (Rom 3:22 NLT). In John 3:16 Jesus said that EVERYONE who believes in him would have everlasting life.
Are gay men and lesbians included in "everyone"? Are we not part of "no matter who we are"? If we are, then I humbly ask, who are we to contradict the Bible?
you have no authority to make that statement. A person's Christianity is between them and Jesus; you don't enter into the equation. What God has cleansed, don't call common or unclean.
@LeanderVillarta I have the authority to tell the truth. you have the authority to grind your teeth stop your ears and walk away if you dont like it.
If you are trying to imply that a homosexual who is still practicing homosexuality & living in open sin and claiming to be a "christian" is "cleansed" then you are blaspheming God, His law & the Gospel.
@rusda2 I think that whether or not someone is Christian is up to him or her, as there is no litmus for "true Christianity". Consider, for instance, all the different denominations -- and it's not as if most people following any one of them knew what it means to be Baptist as opposed to Methodist, for example, anyway. It's not like some other things that everyone can objectively see, such as "Trees have trunks." So there are gay Christians, and they're clearly at least as deluded as you.
@Korpikotka my friend, what you "think" doesnt really make a hill of beans...the truth is the truth no matter how many denominations don't have it and no matter how many doubters like yourself dis-believe it. there are not any gay "christians"...the practice of homosexuality is an abomination to God. FORMER gays that are christian now exist, but not practicing gays who want to believe thier lifestyle is acceptable to God.
@rusda2 I regret to inform you that you've wasted many a precious keystroke. All that you've typed amounts to "blah blah boogly boo" to me. You have some warped, albeit common -- and this doesn't make them any more valid -- beliefs about the human psyche, all based on the one mythology out of thousands in existence that you choose to desperately cling to. What truly doesn't amount to a hill of beans, as you put it, is your imaginary being in this very real world.
@rusda2 how in the hell could a person be lying to god if they are christian and they are gay? SMDH! Makes no sense. I have a friend who is christian and is gay and he isn't lying to god what-so-ever the ones that are an insult to the bible or god if you will are those who bigot themselves by constantly putting down homosexuality yet and still in the dark closet are practicing homosexuality.
@Scene68 bible condemns homosexuality...please tell me how ur friend can claim christianity & go against God's word?
whats the diff between a professing "christian" openly homo & professing christian closet homo? only difference is one is openly gay & other is a gay hypocrite. both are gay & liars. gay christianity is a lie. can't be practicing gay & christian. it's an oxymoron...just not possible.
Im not gay, but thanks for accusing me. are you gay?
@rusda2 No i am not gay but I understand it and to be honest there is nothing wrong with it. Also the bible is not relevant into todays times and just because one part in the scripture states no man should be with another man does not mean squat IMO people use that scripture as if its food to survive. its very absurd. only religious fanatics go on and preach about the ignorance. And sorry to say dude but even those who are christians the majority of them be going on molesting young kids.
1. @Scene68 u say theres nothing wrong with it? the bible is not relevant? why not? truth never changes, neither does God. wonder if ur gay buddy would agree with u since u say he's "christian"? how could he agree with u? it might offend him that u say his religion is not relevant don't u think? then again he cherry picks the bible any way. well at least u realize it's ur opinion, which in this case is absurd & doesnt mean squat (no offense) as u put it. the ignorance is believing it's ok.
@rusda2 your a lost cause you must be one of those fanatics that believe anything and justify the bible as an excuse behind it. Yes google how many cases kids have been molested or violated in some way by some churches. As for you saying that its not the christian way to be gay because you will go to hell to sin some more. Who are you? First of all NONE OF US knows what happens when we walk into that light. So save your judgements and your preach for the ants.
1. @Scene68 friend, if u dont stand for something, u'll fall for anything. I'm afraid u fit that category. u seem to believe anything goes & there will be no consequences for ur actions. try telling that to ur kids. see if they don't turn out to be criminals or worse. google how many kids have been molested by those who have no sense/law of morality, it's a lot more than what goes on in "church". u said "most", but now its "some"? yes the catholic "church" is a pedophile machine.
75% black man are in prison. talk about that!!
judahlove3 2 days ago
the whole world is gay)
judahlove3 2 days ago
did he really say, "you can't use your religion to tyrannise others" ROFL
MOCowboy55 5 days ago
1:47 "Oral Sodomy" O.o I don't think she's saying what she means.
jessicanaruti 1 week ago
I would have never thought eddie long was that skinny. Geez he be eating up them tithes freal
TdotClappa 3 weeks ago
I would let Eddie Long do me, but I think I'm too old for him.
LobOverTheBackhand 3 weeks ago
Freedom of speech goes both ways here...each should go to their corner and let the other believe what they want. Let God sort them out when the time comes.
djcolourzone 1 month ago
@unomnacajit111 AMEN !!!
djcolourzone 1 month ago
Ted Haggard has got the most PUNCHABLE face I've ever seen !.
NexisFilms 1 month ago
Listen to his speech @ 0:28 and realize how ultra , hyper faggy the people in the background look ..
Epic Fail !! lmao
NexisFilms 1 month ago
DAYUM! I hate the way this guy speaks... I hate being around effeminate men!
anthropological 1 month ago
Leviticus 20:13 (man has sex with another man, kill BOTH)
Leviticus 18:22 (homosexuals are an ABOMINATION)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (homosexual are on the list of those who will not inherit kingdom of god)
Romans 1:25-27 (homosexuals and lesbian are INDECENT, unnatural)
u gay ? u going to Hell, if you are a Christian there's no way around it.
fhab525 2 months ago
Ted Haggard is very inclusive with his own hypocrisy, in God's name!
48acar19 2 months ago
"i don't care what scientists say." that's why you're ignorance is eternal.
kirixen 2 months ago
Ted Faggot doesn't know when to shut up
ChristOrder 2 months ago
Pastor Troy got in that ass!! #nohomo I hate how some white people think they're so much smarter than blacks. The black preacher was articulate and made his points very clear while the white minister acted like he was the authority on the subject.
buboat 3 months ago
@buboat
How is this about RACE???? You sound like a fool! And so did that gay guy... how can you equate practicing homosexuality with slavery...? Dick has got that guy crazy
anthropological 1 month ago
@anthropological The topic may have not been about "RACE", but I was speaking to the racial undertones displayed by the white man's approach in conversing with the black guy. I find that, more often than not, white men tend to act like they are the authority on every subject while attempting to make black men feel as though they are inadequate as it pertains to the art of debating.
buboat 1 month ago 2
oh my friend oh how jesus is soooo far from you....... nd you know not of him .. the only thing he will say to you is away from me you evil doers
dragon880102 3 months ago
ther being lied to by satan if only you could see them demonds laughing at you
dragon880102 3 months ago
thers only one place that ther going nd everyone elses blood is on ther hands
dragon880102 3 months ago
Praise God for homosexuality!
Endnuenfyr 4 months ago
Its the WORD, no women should be preachers to men, no effeminate to enter into the kingdom, how hard is it to understand, its not and they know it, they just dont want to look into the mirror so they can continue to Sin little do they know they are flirting with the unforgivable sin which is causing the Holy Spirit to grieve. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
SuperGolfing1 4 months ago
Hahahahah the downfall of evangelical hypocritical christianity,... let shame be put on all those fake churches... let them fall apart and let them weep over all the lost church members... more evangelicals are flocking to the truth of catholicism
Archangeloftheandes 4 months ago
The person on the right that says re-evaluation is needed on the validity of certain scripture needs to read 2 Tim 3:16. Also, he is taking scripture out of context concerning cultural statements made by Paul dealing with women and slavery. No place in scripture is homosexuality ever condoned. Like it or not, there is only one way: Acts 4:12. Both of them are examples of Titus 1:16 where they deny God by their deeds.
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BIGBUBZ4178 4 months ago
BOOTY BANDITS, UGGGGH!!!!!!!!
Thechill12 5 months ago
Never trust anything from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sodomy is not the answer.
thermionic1234567 5 months ago
so gay!!
constantrvlr 5 months ago
so gay!!
constantrvlr 5 months ago
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Born2Flesh 5 months ago
@Born2Flesh Jebus NEVER says anything about "homosexualtiy". The word never appears in original translations of the buy bull. It was always, "men who lie with men", until church liars changed it for obvious reasons. You are a liar. Apparently you've never read the buy bull.
richwfd2002 4 months ago
@richwfd2002
Changes aren't the case here. If you're referring to an alteration of the Scriptures and Gospel, then that is dealing with the over-simplified translation of the text. Over a long period since notable periods like the Renaissance, the Bible has been translated in order for it to be understood to different people.
You are right. Homosexuality is never mentioned by Christ. The letters do in fact say that homosexual offenders would not inherit the Kingdom of God.
1aundulxaldin 3 months ago
Same gender loving man that is the new name for it !
ThreeX 6 months ago
Anyone catch that both of these false ministers stated that they present "A gospel", but what they didn't say was that they donot preach "The OneTrue Gospel" . They are preaching another gospel and another Jesus and adding their humanistic and own views contrary to what the Holy Bible states because they don't like reading "The Truth" concerning their sin. Love the sinner and hate the sin. Woe to those who call evil good. Please don't follow these false teachers.
dollars2donuts1 6 months ago
@dollars2donuts1 There is no such thing "one true gospel". Anyone, like yourself, who claims that there is, is the "false teacher". Your buy bull is full of contradictions, hearsay and superstition. we have no eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. The gospel writers never even met Jebus and no historians contemporary to Jebus even mention him. IT IS ALL HEARSAY and your god is an inept communicator. Get your head out your ass and do some research.
richwfd2002 4 months ago
On the contrary, it is very clear that Paul is condemning all sexual immorality, IN GENERAL,consistent with the law of Moses (Paul was a jewish Pharisee prior to his conversion).In the context of his writings both in Corithian & in Romans,it's impossible that he was making any such distinctions as U allege,nor is there ANY proof that Paul is referring to so-called homosexual temple prostitution which has also been alleged, I encourage everyone here to check out the YT debate w/Dr Michael Brown
shieldsff 6 months ago
stick to what the bible says in all matters and dont rewrite the bible
omegambc 7 months ago
stick to what the bible says in all matters and rewrite the bible
omegambc 7 months ago
Is the black guy forgetting that a lttle over 50 years ago his own people were made to drink from different water fountains, sit on different sections on buses and even get hanged because of the colour of their skin. And he preaches hate, very hypocritical
MyJustified 7 months ago
Ted Haggard, all you have to do, is say "I'm Bisexual, and I think I'm alright with that." and you'd get the love of the LGBT community and many straight people as well.
ccheng21 7 months ago
@ccheng21 Down Low gays like Teddy boy will never stand up and admit what they really are. Ted Haggard is a flaming HYPOCRITE! so what ted wanted to do was to continue to live a LIE, preach 1 thing and then sneak off with some male hooker for homosexual sex! folks like him literally make me sick! Has ted given any thought to the many people he hurt and misled how they need some counseling? Noooooooooooo! this jerk only thinks of himself. I rejoice that he was EXPOSED!
jollysincere 6 months ago
@jollysincere I totally agree with you 100% piggy backing what you said (somewhat) these pastor's know that being homosexual is not a sin. These ancient men Apostles- Philosophers- Writers expressed themselves totally different then we do today. People where trick and brought into these misleading text for so long so it's like to them why teach the truth known? 1 people won't believe it 2. they go elsewhere 3. the church lose money... So we'll keep teaching it and rack in doe!!! it's really sad
Tommy4503 5 months ago
@Tommy4503 not only are these so-called preachers "Down Low" they are "Low Down" scoundrels! too! This type of behavior is fore told in the bible, people having itchy ears, and many false misleading con artist rising up to take advantage of the gullible. You can find loud mouth fake preachers just as easily as you can find a five dollar whore. but unlike the 5$ hooker, these gal-boys are doing much greater harm. can i get an AMEN?
jollysincere 5 months ago
@jollysincere Amen to that!!! You can tell a lie so many times you can get the whole world to believe it.... Researching is at people finger tips but a lie is more for filling for them... The word homosexual was not added to the bibles until 1946 -1947 and the KJV badly translated to English... But my argument is at those that choose to teach these hateful lie's in the name of GOD and who knowingly knows the real truth but continue to teach these lies only spreading hate in the name of GOD
Tommy4503 5 months ago
that he PREYED on? or PRAYED on?
PimpMyParadigm 7 months ago
when are they going to represent the KINGDOM (JESUS CHRIST) instead of their own intellectual? and competition, GOD is not interested in man's ways
pilotjagoan 7 months ago
See? I've said it before; this total and complete hypocrital liar Ted Haggard didn't learn a thing from his downfall and will probably soon be back in charge of some huge, billion-dollar megachurch preaching hate and divisiveness. And probably choosing from among his 10 Rolls Royces to drive there every Sunday. Sickening.
jerico641 7 months ago
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While I completely think that the Biblical arguments more than sufficient for you (they provide very compelling moral and socio-historical grounds). I would offer you the following:
search the youtube vid entitled: "Daughter of a gay man speaks"
Personally it effects you, me and everyone else, because 'marriage' is a SOCIAL institution governed by laws for the collective benefit of society.Socially,absent the current laws,nothing prevents other arbitrary definitions /configurations emerging
shieldsff 7 months ago
This make me wanna PUKE!
bailey1950 8 months ago
When God says walk in the truth , He means walk in HIS truth not you own .. When God says walk in righteousness , its not your righteousnes but HIS righteouness.. To many people twisting the Gospel of Jesus Christ .. To walk in truth is to walk in the commandments of the Lord. Stop misleading the sheep...Read you bible and seek HIS understanding not your own .. Trust in the lord with all thine heart and lean not on your own understanding. This is what happens when you do ..REPENT !
ChristsApostleDNA 8 months ago
Listen to the last thing Ted Haggard says: "You can't use your religion to tyranize others." Does anybody else find that ironic?
Morryc 8 months ago
WTF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN STOP!!!!!!THERE IS NO SUCH THING YOU CAN LIVE LIFE HOW. YOU WANT I'AM JUST BEING REAL THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE WHO THINK IT IS LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIS SOUL!!!!
leviboyce803 8 months ago
Gay man in his 50s here -- RE; the Vid: yeah - its pretty clear now - all the "Phobes" are fags in the closet...they are dick sucking fags - come out come out bro -- this gay man wont judge you but you have to stop telling people to hate gays when your F**King Gay - bro....
kirktv22 8 months ago
In the eyes of the one true living God, homosexuality is wrong for both sexes. God refers to this sin as an abomination. Man however, in his sinful, rebellious, and fallen state, not only justifies and accepts this despicable sin but mocks God while doing so. Is it worth it for a person to risk separating themselves from God for eternity for the lies and lusts of this world? God loves man but he hates sin and unrepented sin has eternal consequences.
MrBongo43 9 months ago
There r three religions which condemns being gay: judaism, islam and christianity but is there anything in atheism against homosexuality?
MamaMario13 9 months ago
Why does this remind me of a message Rahonda Swan gave me on Science and Sex?
Wickedrub 9 months ago
Romans 1: 26-28
I Corinthians 6: 9&10
These are scriptures concerning the sinners. HOMOSEXUALS ARE INCLUDED!!! The bible says you will not inherit the Kingdom. In Romans God turns them over to a reprobate mind.
It's plan and needs no interpretation just read it as it is written and live Holy
Satorain2 9 months ago
@Satorain2 Boy, u r decieved and twisted in your beliefs. And, the funny thing about it is that YOU would say that it is I who is twisted and decieved. Homosexuals are NOT included in these verses. You can twist the Bible around to MAKE it say what you WANT it to say. And, people have done that since the Bible was written to suit THEIR OWN SELFISH AND HATEFUL purposes. Those who hate blacks ENDORSED slavery right from the Bible. Those who ENDORSED segregation did so through Bible verses. True?
David8024667 8 months ago
@Satorain2
So, then, may I ask: do you believe that every word in the judeo-christian bible is absolutely true?
jerico641 7 months ago
EL might not have been living with gay tendancies when he spoke here which is perhaps why he said what he said here in this clip, still not quite moving to me but to say the least...
tears2day 9 months ago
LOL a gay man talking to another gay man and another gay man about a gay man...
who was homophobic
LOOOOL
natmanprime 9 months ago 18
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Forget theology, ask a dr this lifestyle is dangerous, theres a reason why life insurance companies either wont cover or out right refuse to cover them.
This so called preacher has a message of anything goes.
Ivor7777777 9 months ago
Forget theology, ask a dr this lifestyle is dangerous, theres a reason why life insurance companies either wont cover or out right refuse to cover them.
This so called preacher has a message of any
Ivor7777777 9 months ago
I think the gay guy won the debate.
dogking100 9 months ago
May God bless Pastor Ted Haggard richly for preaching His truth. And to "Pastor" Troy Sanders, there is no such thing as a " gay minister" of God. As a practising & unrepentant homosexual, you are not of God but of Satan, the devil. It is the word of God itself, that you supposedly preach, that condemns your sinful lifestyle. You delude only yourself and unrepentant gays that you are a "minister" of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says homosexuals will never enter heaven.
opsvideo2008 9 months ago
This is when you know end times are near, when you have GAY preachers, and only in America.
Indianmalujl 9 months ago
@MrsD7777, You can't pick and choose.
elroymarshall50 10 months ago
@elroymarshall50 GOD has already Chosen! PEACE!
MrsD7777 9 months ago
Another self hating homophobe, imagine that? Seriously, Why do these people condemn something so loudly and then wonder why people consider them hypocrites when they are caught. It's really true, the more someone bitches about how they hate homos they end up gay. Well I guess this is why people are finding out how idiotic religious people are.
KillaFundie44 10 months ago
If a man says it is natural 4 him to commit murder or adultery on ones spouse, robbery,or physically/sexually abuse childern or habitually lie or engage in bestiality do we say OK...He's just wired that way? Man knows these are morally wrong, for in the image of GOD he is made! (he voilates the dictates of his conscience) for there to be moral laws there must also be a moral LAWGIVER (GOD) if theres no law giver- why obey? Mens consciences accuse or excuse their behavior...... Romans 2:2
Paradoxical18 10 months ago
...They twist the scriptures to their own destruction as they do the REST of the scriptures( 2Pet 3:15) Paul asked a rhetorical question - Do U not know (understand) that the unrighteous shall not enter the kingdom of GOD? don't deceive yourselves, neither the sexually immoral, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, theives, liars, drunkards, covetous persons, etc; and such WERE SOME OF YOU, but NOW you are cleansed from these things by the Holy Spirit
1 Cor 6:9-11
Paradoxical18 10 months ago
All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD and is profitable 4 reproof, correction & doctrine 4 instruction in RIGHTEOUSNESS 2 Tim 3:16 the word of GOD did not originate from mans own imagination or private interpetation, but holy men were moved (wrote) by the Spirit of God 2Pet 1:20-21 the Apostle Peter equated Pauls writings- his contempary as living SCRIPTURE 2Pet 3:15 so it is not man that you reject, but GOD... my (Jesus) words will reject him @ the last day Jn 12:48
Paradoxical18 10 months ago
@Paradoxical18 :::The bible making claims for itself is like me writing a book and claiming to be the king of Siam. I still am not, no matter how often my book would say so. The bible is the word of man (Ehrman) or the word of man about God (Pearson). More and more, the bible will be proved to be inaccurate, and in some cases, just totally wrong and damaging to believers.
k0smon 10 months ago
Oh God, what an idiot. " I DON'T CARE WHAT SCIENCE SAYS!!!" I don't even know what to say to that.
SoWachuWan 10 months ago
why then are you calling yourself a preacher, and your right yo shouldt be teaching, who are you pastoring to?
SuperGolfing1 10 months ago
I KNOW ANderson loved doing this story with his gay butt.
ABLKMAN2KNOW 11 months ago
Homosexuality is a sin that will land one in Hell forever, if they don't repent.
lyricaladaud 11 months ago
@lyricaladaud doesn't it say somewhere in that book that being hateful and judgmental will also land a person in hell?
Muyomi 11 months ago
@Muyomi Because I'm a Muslim I am compelled to inform you of that which you don''t know: You must love what God loves and hate what He hates. Without doubt He hates homosexuals. Homos are going to Hell unless they repent while they are alive, and know that repentance has three conditions:
1. You must stop the sin you're repenting from
2. you must regret and feel remorseful you did it
3. you must not return to it
lyricaladaud 11 months ago
@lyricaladaud good i don't want to be in heaven with a bunch of uptight christian pricks anyway.. thank you very much...
brigantty 10 months ago
Did Ted say, "You cannot use your religion to tyranize others?". OMG!! I am incredulous after he did that with the gay community for years and would've continued had he not been caught. What a repugnant hypocrite. And, now, he's back to bilking fearful, gullible, slothful fat asses. What a joke America has become.
richwfd2002 11 months ago
hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
onlyjoetee 11 months ago
god god god god god... all I say have to say to this is that I don't care.
zoroxma 11 months ago
This is ridiculous and absurd! This whole homosexuality topic in its entirety. People know what's right from what's wrong. Let's for a momment exclude gays in the church. Matter of fact let's not even talk about anything 2 do with religion. Man has a stick. Women have a hole. People know dam well that its a man and a woman. That's why it's embarassing. But being gay doesnt mean ur a bad person. THATS NOT WHAT IM SAYING AT ALL. It's plainly and simply not the way its posed 2 be
BIGBUBZ4178 1 year ago
The black dude's beard is pissing me off. Haha
And they're WRONG for being gay and "preachers". Every preacher knows the scriptures and I as a preacher KNOW that being gay is an abomination to God.
goofy456123 1 year ago
Ted's teeth scare me.
chibicat13 1 year ago
The Bible is Bullshit, The Quran is a Lie, the Baghavad gita did not fall from the Sky ...
TheThordir 1 year ago
Homosexuality is about an all around emotional, physical, and sexual attraction to the same sex. And not being a pervert or part of a global conspiracy to turn everybody gay. Opponents of gay rights assert that homosexuality is a recent sickness of society that has temporarily upset our natural heterosexual state of being. Gay advocates retort that this claim is demonstratively false, since homosexuality occurs frequently in many species.
TheThordir 1 year ago
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue
TheThordir 1 year ago
Why is it that religulous people seem to be blind to the fact that homosexuality is natural (and by religulous I mean only the three desert, abrahamical fuck-ups) ?
The natural existence of homosexuality in non-human animals is considered controversial by conservative religious groups who oppose LGBT social movements because these findings seem to point to the natural occurrence of homosexuality in humans.
TheThordir 1 year ago
Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a biological occurrence. People can choose to suppress or deny the feelings they have due to conflicts of religion, personal morality, or anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that those feelings are still there, regardless of whether the person consciously recognizes or is aware of them.
TheThordir 1 year ago
If one tries to deny innate feelings such as these, they are at high risk of ending up unhappy, and maybe not even understanding why. Personal denial of one's sexuality due to outside pressures is a common cause of suicide. To deny your own feelings is to deny a part of yourself, a part of what makes you, you. The long-term suppression of any feeling is unhealthy, this is no different. Just because you're not openly homosexual, doesn't mean you're not homosexual at all.
TheThordir 1 year ago
Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a biological occurrence. People can choose to suppress or deny the feelings they have due to conflicts of religion, personal morality, or anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that those feelings are still there, regardless of whether the person consciously recognizes or is aware of them.
TheThordir 1 year ago
People which pretend gay people don't exist and don't want their kids to learn about tolerance and diversity are the same people who in the U.S. apposed desegregation. They are called a waste of flesh, idiots, selfrightous bigots. If God would exist, He would consider people like him hateful and an embarrassment to creation, selfrighteous, judgmental, first to throw a stone
and using His name for their own protection and agenda.
TheThordir 1 year ago
@MrWisePete: Romans 1 26 is the word of YOUR God, not mine. In my religion all people are loved. But besides that, you miss the history of the Epistle. It's to Romans at a time when understanding of human sexuality was not as studied nor as developed as now. It's not Americans 1 26, it's Romans 1 26. But that's the problem with some Christians. They apply " their God's word" to everyone ignoring the historical context of their scripture. Fundamentalism is not only false, but harmful.
MegaRobin321 1 year ago
Watch "Ted Haggard will Never Be Straight" by putting "watch?v=ZSACcjlGB_c&feature=related" in the YouTube search bar
SFHarry 1 year ago
I just LOVE how this is one issue in which heterosexual men and women (most of whom have sex outside of marriage) can feel all high and moral as they screech "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL". If they are, that's between them and God. As I remember God didn't give HUMAN CHRISTIANS the right to judge and condemn. In fact, Christians should be the most loving forgiving people on Earth, out of reverence for the death of Christ.
Chaosprincess01 1 year ago 2
@Chaosprincess01 it has nothing to do with being high/mighty/judging...but I ask u this...if I know u are going to walk blindly off a cliff to ur death am I more loving to let u drop or to scream WATCH OUT!?
the only reason christians try to help others is from their love for Christ. sure there are "christians" who condemn & turn up their nose, but they are false & lost anyway so it doesnt matter. I dont hate gays but if they dont stop it, it will carry eternal consequences.
rusda2 1 year ago
Wow did that man call the bible an "ancient oppressive text?" WOW.
simone56 1 year ago
i believe the illuminati is responsible for all this and ted haggard as well
jihadxarif 1 year ago
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All I'm sayin is God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.
km9915 1 year ago
Homosexuality is the one sin that has gotten groups of people to gather in unison to defend itself. It's the one sin that eradicates the true marriage between man and women in Christ which is supposed to reflect the marriage a Christian will have with Christ in the new heaven and new earth for eternity (after judgement). You're setting up yourself for damnation if you practice this lifestyle.
MrWisePete 1 year ago 4
@MrWisePete AMEN! Why won't those in support of Homosexuality ADRESS this Verse?
ROMANS 1:
26 "For this reason God gave them up to VILE passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the (natural use of the woman), burned in their lust for one another, (men with men) committing what is SHAMEFUL, and receiving in themselves the PENALTY of their error which was due." They ignore & skip this one! THIS IS GOD'S WORD!
MrsD7777 1 year ago 9
@MrsD7777 Yeah Spot on!
Sadly we have Bishops, Pastors etc who are not preaching the word of God, (whether to apease people for a larger congregation or to convince themselves that it's okay so as to validify their own sinful activities) instead they are succumbing to worldly or should i say humanist ideologies on what's right and wrong. Its a big shame.
Shalom Sister!
MrWisePete 1 year ago 3
@MrsD7777 yea yea, who cares... what god... don't you see the hypocrisy in your churches... not against church, but police your own selves before you try to tell others how to live...
brigantty 11 months ago
@brigantty TELL THAT TO GOD'S FACE! IGNORE!
MrsD7777 11 months ago
@MrsD7777 And YOU skip the fact that your buy bull is full of contradictions. You cherry - pick, just like all "christians", to fit your beliefs. Psalm 119:160, Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments ENDURETH FOREVER. Romans 6:14, Ye are NOT under the law, but under grace. There are many others. As far as addressing that verse, Paul was probably a big closet case. It is all hearsay. Your emotional attachment to it does not make it true.
richwfd2002 11 months ago
@richwfd2002 So...your answer to Romans 1:26-27 is: "Paul was probably a big closet case" ? *LOL*!!! U quote Bible Verses that have NOTHING to do with supporting homosexuality, U refuse to admit Romans 1:26-27 does NOT support it, U quote "Thy word is true from the beginning", but Romans is NOT true? Hearsay? Ha! So u call GOD & his WORD Lies?
1 Corinthians 14:33
"For God is not [the author] of Confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
I Pray for your CONFUSED mind! :D
MrsD7777 11 months ago
@MrsD7777 As usual, a "christian" mischaracterizes someone's argument that does not agree with theirs. I never said Romans supports homosexuality. According to you, the buy bull is true because it says it is. Grow up. Harry Potter is true using that same "reasoning". We have NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life and he says NOTHING about "men who lie with men". It is a book full of contradictions and hearsay, as is the Koran. If we used your reasoning, we would stone disobedient cont'...
richwfd2002 11 months ago
@richwfd2002 *LOL*@U "Grow Up"! <---Yes U should! I repeated your OWN words back to U and U call that a "mischaraterization"? Thank GOD words like yours mean NOTHING against the TRUE WORD OF GOD! When U leave this Earth U will see HIM as he IS, then U can tell HIM to his face his WORD is nothing but hearsay! GOD help u then for SURE! You are wasting computer time! IGNORE!!!! :D
MrsD7777 11 months ago
@MrsD7777 to death, kill nonvirgin brides, punish people for eating shellfish or wearing polyester etc...GOd is supposed to be unchanging, so your old testament argument does not fly. This hearsay and contradictions would not even be admitted in a court of law. Take your arrogant prayers and shove 'em.
richwfd2002 11 months ago
@richwfd200 TELL THAT TO GOD HIMSELF & STOP WASTING TIME! IGNORE!!!
MrsD7777 11 months ago
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polobear1975 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 ...and like most ignorant, judgmental Christians like you al over the black church, you pick and choose which verses you want to roll into a crown of thorns and place on the head of gay people but you stop there instead of reading a few verses down:
Romans 2:1 You (MrsD7777), therefore, have no excuse, you (MrsD777) who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you (MrsD7777) are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
polobear1975 10 months ago
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@polobear1975 1 Corinthians 6:2 "Do ye not know that the saints shall JUDGE the world? and if the world shall be JUDGED by you, are ye unworthy to JUDGE the smallest matters?" Nice Try! PEACE!
MrsD7777 10 months ago
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@MrsD7777 Fool, the "natural use of the woman" is to carry and have children. u know men can't have children right?. Being gay does not interfere with women having children...the "natural use of the woman" has yet to be messed with. To the rest of this you are NOT supposed to (according to this scripture) do what is unnatural and against YOUR orientation. U missed whole whole point of the passage. Paul isnt talking about gays but straight folk LIKE YOU who commit gay acts when they kno better
polobear1975 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 Fool, the "natural use of the woman" is to carry and have children. u know men can't have children right?. Being gay does not interfere with women having children...the "natural use of the woman" has yet to be messed with. To the rest of this you are NOT supposed to (according to this scripture) do what is unnatural and against YOUR orientation. U missed whole whole point of the passage. Paul isnt talking about gays but straight folk LIKE YOU who commit gay acts when they kno better
polobear1975 10 months ago
@polobear1975 Fool, the "Natural Use of a Woman" means that GOD CREATED the Womans Body for MAN, Natural Sexual Relations between a MAN and a WOMAN! So that she Can get Pregnant DUH! Anything else GOD calls "Unnatural Affection! What a waste of time U are! When U see GOD Face to Face on THAT DAY, U will be in for a RUDE AWAKENING! (hope its not too late) PEACE! :D
MrsD7777 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 "What a waste of time you are?" Really?
I don't think God is pleased with what you said (lol). Matter of fact, I don't think I'm a waste of God's time. I'm good and gay. I love God. I love you because as a Christian, I'm not afforded the luxury of hating you for the lexiconical feces you spout. Anyway, I love a sanctimonious pretend Christian (assuming that you consider yourself one) like you because I get to imagine what it would be like once you actually learn what GOD says
polobear1975 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 actually, it's Paul's word. God never said anything like that. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean that God advocates it. Remember, Paul also condoned slavery.
notaniceguy34 10 months ago
@notaniceguy34 2 Timothy 3:1 16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" My GOD said "ALL" Scripture! U can call him a liar if U want, GOD Help U! PEACE!
MrsD7777 10 months ago
@MrsD7777
This is NOT Gods word this is a letter FROM ST.PAUL to the ROMANS not from GOD himself!
LeanderVillarta 10 months ago
@LeanderVillarta 2 Timothy 3:1 16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" My GOD said "ALL" Scripture! U can call him a liar if U want, GOD Help U! PEACE!
MrsD7777 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 If you think that people who don't hate homosexuals need to explain that, then you need to explain all the verses calling for rape, murder, slavery, incest, etc. Should we be stoning people for wearing mixed fabric? Don't act like the Bible is this clear document that doesn't have any problematic verses that approve of the most immoral acts imaginable. You can't pick and choose.
LifeUntilLove 10 months ago
@MrsD7777 Your silly little verse says that your god made people homosexual as a punishment. Why did he make people into something he hates just so that he can punish them even more for that thing? It's a rhetorical question really; I'm not at all interested in hearing your explanation, 'cause your god is just a storybook character unlike Sauron, except your god is much less interesting.
Korpikotka 10 months ago
@MrWisePete it's not a "lifestyle" yutz... we don't "practice" it, we're just it.. what part don't you get... what's wrong with you....
brigantty 10 months ago
problem #1. asking ted haggard's opinion.
thegabster32 1 year ago
HAHA! Way to get him Teddy! Satan is deceiving so many in this day. Jesus is against homosexuality. Creation says it all! Don't be fooled!
opinionatorX 1 year ago
@opinionatorX Jesus never says anything about "men who lie with men". Look it up. Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail, do not expect others to.
richwfd2002 11 months ago
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, Didn't Jesus say, that you are gods? You are gods with a little'g'. Don't you understand that you are mighty? Don't you know that you are a king? If Elohim (gods)could only get you to act like El (God). I don't have to have somebody tell me that Sunday I preached. I looked in the mirror and said to myself, 'You preached!' Then I gave myself an offering. It is so important that you change your vocabulary. A lot of the stuff I found myself in, I spoke it.
Rylucero 1 year ago
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, "How would you feel if I announced to you that if you declared something that it had to happen? You have enough glory in your mouth that when you declare a thing, then it shall be established. Touch your neighbor and say, You got power in your mouth. Tell them, There is power in your words. If you go to the graveyard you better watch out! People might come crawling out of their graves because you got the manifesting power [When you speak words of faith]."
Rylucero 1 year ago
The quotable false prophet and Bishop, Eddie Long, “We don't want to accept that God calls us gods! But just as soon as you realize that, I am a god. And as revelations reveal, I am a king. He is King of kings. He is God of gods! All of us together, say it! All of us together, you didn't do that right! Slap somebody, say, All of us in this place now together are like God! We like foreplay with God, but we make sure we have our spiritual contraceptives on!”
Rylucero 1 year ago
The quotable false prophet and Bishop, Eddie Long “ I know who I am! And, and, and, see, when you know who you are, wherever you go, as a god, as a king, you have an entourage. You have security. See, we miss what evangelism is and what being saved is. And what being gods are. We walk around and be Him! Little Him's You ain't recognized who you are. And you don't recognize as a god you have territory. So God cannot release your wealth because you still don't know you have a territory.”
Rylucero 1 year ago
The quotable Bishop Eddie Long, “That's the reason why when you look in the mirror and you ought to say, Good morning God. Now, I ain't talking about your flesh. I ain't talking about you. But inside of you there is a piece of God. And if you don't recognize that you'll call yourself wretched. My whole objective in life is to be His image, His duplicate, His witness and to show folk what He look like because, before nobody seen Him. Somebody say, I want to see God. Here He is, look at me!”
Rylucero 1 year ago
The quotable false prophet Eddie Long, “You have been saved too long to be broke! You've been saved too long! And you don't need another sermon. You need to get up and understand that you are mighty in God. You need to get up and understand that Elohim (gods) stands in the congregation of El (God). You need to get up and understand you are, He sent! And if all you got is $5.00 to give now, give $6.00! Do you believe that this situation can change? Then speak to it! Talk your way out of it.”
Rylucero 1 year ago
@Rylucero ROTFL!!!@Eddie Long "And if all you got is $5.00 to give now, give $6.00!" The only poor people Eddie loves in this world is young teen boys! No wonder he IS being investigated by the good ole Internal Revenue Service!
& WHERE in GOD's Holy Bible did GOD himself call fleshly MAN God's??? 1 John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Its Jesus, Not Eddie WRONG Long!
MrsD7777 1 year ago
hm...these pastors are both wrong in different ways, interesting. -_-
HeyMony25 1 year ago
theres no such thing as a gay minister or gay christian. if youre practicing a gay lifestyle and claiming youre christian, youre lying to God, yourself and everyone else.
rusda2 1 year ago 5
@rusda2...you hit the nail on the head....I agree 100%.....
YoungTrina86 1 year ago 2
@rusda2 exactly, just like there is no such thing as a lying christian, or murdering christian. You can't stay in sin and think you are a Christian.You got to come out of your sin and turn away! Glad somebody understands.
whitfieldmusic1 1 year ago 2
@whitfieldmusic1 yea it's strange how it seems so hard for even "christians" to understand, we are supposed to be different and follow Christ not following the worlds way.
rusda2 1 year ago
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@rusda2
Silly little man, god does not exist. Your book of fairytales is filled with false asumptions and silly stories in order for a primitive tribe of shepards to understand the world around them. Your god is nothing but a mix between YHWH Sabaoth (God of War), Baal, Asherah, Marduk and El Elyon (El Shadai). Jesus Christ is nothing more than a mix between Mithra, Horus, The Imperial Cult (the cult which worshiped Caesars as Gods) etc.
TheThordir 1 year ago
@rusda2 I don't believe your point is true. You have to be gay to know this and as a gay man I can tell you. You can be gay and christian!
almcrew 1 year ago
1. @almcrew Hi friend, I have to disagree. God's word tells us what a Christian is, which is a follower of Christ. Jesus never gave us a gay lifestyle example to follow. Jesus, since He is God & the Creator of all things including us, gave us an example of a man with a woman as His revealed will. If we just use logic alone, we know if in the beginning God had created Adam and Steve, the race would have died out with them. Plus scripture is filled with negative references to homosexuality. (cont)
rusda2 1 year ago
2. @almcrew The bible is very plain that those who practice the gay lifestyle are doomed to be excluded from the kingdom of God and will suffer punishment, then everlasting death.
Please friend, I beg you, don't fall for this deception that homosexuality is acceptable to God, it is not. Jesus can give you victory over this sin if you want it and if you let Him. It's your choice. In the end you will either choose salvation, or choose sin & death. It's your call. Do right. Take care
rusda2 1 year ago
@rusda2 I think the lord can understand what your mind cannot. The same bible is talking about stoning people when they Sin. At the end of the day he wouldn't be happy if we do that today. Don't be surprised that when we all go to heaven, you see more good gays than bad hetero's up there.
almcrew 1 year ago
@almcrew I think u could understand the truth better than u are willing to if u would let go of ur cherished sin of homsexuality. Heteros can go to hell just like gays. heteros who have sex outside of marriage are not "good" anymore than practicing gays. ur idea that somehow God will make an exception for u & other "good" gays is going to be the shock of your life. the practice of homosexuality is CLEARLY CONDEMNED in scripture...unless u are like most gays and ignore those verses. ur choice.
rusda2 1 year ago
@almcrew HELLO....HELLO....IS THERE ANYBODY HOME?...When will you fools admit that it's all just BS! There is no god and the bible is fictitious. There is no archaeological evidence for any of it, no extra biblical accounts of any of it and it is mostly plagerised from much earlier texts! WAKE UP!
boc1953 11 months ago
@boc1953 Go read Proverbs 14;1,you should recognize yourself there,then please come back and explain how your bones formed in your mothers womb......
onlyjoetee 11 months ago
@rusda2
The Bible says that "we are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ, and this is true for everyone who believes, NO MATTER WHO WE ARE" (Rom 3:22 NLT). In John 3:16 Jesus said that EVERYONE who believes in him would have everlasting life.
Are gay men and lesbians included in "everyone"? Are we not part of "no matter who we are"? If we are, then I humbly ask, who are we to contradict the Bible?
LeanderVillarta 10 months ago
@rusda2
you have no authority to make that statement. A person's Christianity is between them and Jesus; you don't enter into the equation. What God has cleansed, don't call common or unclean.
LeanderVillarta 10 months ago
@LeanderVillarta I have the authority to tell the truth. you have the authority to grind your teeth stop your ears and walk away if you dont like it.
If you are trying to imply that a homosexual who is still practicing homosexuality & living in open sin and claiming to be a "christian" is "cleansed" then you are blaspheming God, His law & the Gospel.
rusda2 10 months ago
@rusda2 I think that whether or not someone is Christian is up to him or her, as there is no litmus for "true Christianity". Consider, for instance, all the different denominations -- and it's not as if most people following any one of them knew what it means to be Baptist as opposed to Methodist, for example, anyway. It's not like some other things that everyone can objectively see, such as "Trees have trunks." So there are gay Christians, and they're clearly at least as deluded as you.
Korpikotka 10 months ago
@Korpikotka my friend, what you "think" doesnt really make a hill of beans...the truth is the truth no matter how many denominations don't have it and no matter how many doubters like yourself dis-believe it. there are not any gay "christians"...the practice of homosexuality is an abomination to God. FORMER gays that are christian now exist, but not practicing gays who want to believe thier lifestyle is acceptable to God.
rusda2 10 months ago
@rusda2 I regret to inform you that you've wasted many a precious keystroke. All that you've typed amounts to "blah blah boogly boo" to me. You have some warped, albeit common -- and this doesn't make them any more valid -- beliefs about the human psyche, all based on the one mythology out of thousands in existence that you choose to desperately cling to. What truly doesn't amount to a hill of beans, as you put it, is your imaginary being in this very real world.
Korpikotka 10 months ago
@Korpikotka my friend, theres a saying that goes something like this...
"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics...even if you win, your'e still retarded"
so my friend, you may have the argument and the victory :)
take care.
rusda2 10 months ago
@rusda2 how in the hell could a person be lying to god if they are christian and they are gay? SMDH! Makes no sense. I have a friend who is christian and is gay and he isn't lying to god what-so-ever the ones that are an insult to the bible or god if you will are those who bigot themselves by constantly putting down homosexuality yet and still in the dark closet are practicing homosexuality.
Scene68 9 months ago
@Scene68 bible condemns homosexuality...please tell me how ur friend can claim christianity & go against God's word?
whats the diff between a professing "christian" openly homo & professing christian closet homo? only difference is one is openly gay & other is a gay hypocrite. both are gay & liars. gay christianity is a lie. can't be practicing gay & christian. it's an oxymoron...just not possible.
Im not gay, but thanks for accusing me. are you gay?
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 No i am not gay but I understand it and to be honest there is nothing wrong with it. Also the bible is not relevant into todays times and just because one part in the scripture states no man should be with another man does not mean squat IMO people use that scripture as if its food to survive. its very absurd. only religious fanatics go on and preach about the ignorance. And sorry to say dude but even those who are christians the majority of them be going on molesting young kids.
Scene68 9 months ago
1. @Scene68 u say theres nothing wrong with it? the bible is not relevant? why not? truth never changes, neither does God. wonder if ur gay buddy would agree with u since u say he's "christian"? how could he agree with u? it might offend him that u say his religion is not relevant don't u think? then again he cherry picks the bible any way. well at least u realize it's ur opinion, which in this case is absurd & doesnt mean squat (no offense) as u put it. the ignorance is believing it's ok.
rusda2 9 months ago
@rusda2 your a lost cause you must be one of those fanatics that believe anything and justify the bible as an excuse behind it. Yes google how many cases kids have been molested or violated in some way by some churches. As for you saying that its not the christian way to be gay because you will go to hell to sin some more. Who are you? First of all NONE OF US knows what happens when we walk into that light. So save your judgements and your preach for the ants.
Scene68 9 months ago
1. @Scene68 friend, if u dont stand for something, u'll fall for anything. I'm afraid u fit that category. u seem to believe anything goes & there will be no consequences for ur actions. try telling that to ur kids. see if they don't turn out to be criminals or worse. google how many kids have been molested by those who have no sense/law of morality, it's a lot more than what goes on in "church". u said "most", but now its "some"? yes the catholic "church" is a pedophile machine.
rusda2 9 months ago