One-sided revisionism. This isn't about cleverness but reality. Good questions to ask though: "How are Asians dealing with the use of MSG, and are we, in the West, using the same source they use to create it?" Of note, most of the soy and corn are now from GMO sources. The whole food chain supply is exposed to being compromised, and we've already gone very far with this freak science. Mark my words: air fresheners, fabric softeners and perfumes are the next upcoming scandals of magnitude.
I can't speak for MSG, but I can tell you I had a BAD reaction to aspartame in crystal light. I didn't suspect the crystal light till someone mentioned it might be the aspartame. Got off of it, and felt good for the first time in a month. Now when I have anything with aspartame in it, even without knowing it has aspartame I get a reaction. then I go look, and sure enough there's aspartame (or neotame) on the ingredients. It's really bad shit.
Crystal Light is basically pure artificial flavorings, so it could be that some other component was affecting you. It does have aspartame, but also acesulfame K, and depending on which one you drink, they contain at least three FD&C dyes. Then you have purified "natural flavors".
@C0nc0rdance I understand all that, but that doesn't account for the fact that every once in a blue moon I will eat something, start to feel exactly as I did back when I was sick from the crystal light, and then I look at the ingredients I see one of the aspartame family sweeteners. That can only be explained by an aspartame sensitivity. I know there are lotf of other food additives that are bad, and interactions between them are complex. But Aspartame is really nasty stuff.
I think MSG has a definitive psychological effect on me. What I've noticed is that after I eat high MSG foods, I get a strange, clear mental high and some "funny" feeling. I noticed it before I even know about the possible excitatory effect of MSG.
inb4 shitstorm, I don't claim that this effect is negative(I rather enjoy it) or that this can be used as evidence, it's just an anecdote and I know that there's a possibility that I'm just imagining this.
There's actually some evidence to support that (Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 Apr 6), and already some ideas about using that effect to help the underweight elderly, who have difficulty savoring foods because their taste sensations are decreased.
MSG is one of those things where the jury is not 100% in.
The argument that people who eat MSG early in life are likely to be obese is stupid. Of course people that eat lots of MSG are going to be obese because they are usually eating prepackaged and generally unhealthy foods.
If you asked most people who avoid SCARY SOUNDING "monosodium glutamate" if they also make sure to avoid deoxyribonucleic acid in their diet, they would say, OH MY GOD, WHATS THAT?!?! BIG PHARMA STRIKES AGAIN! MONSANTO IS TRYING TO SHOVE THEIR CANCER GMO PILLS ON ME AGAIN! ALIENS PHARMA FOOD WALMART DEVILS!!!! EXITOTOXIN VACCINE!! >>>I GOTTA CLEANSE MYSELF FROM THIS FILTH WITH A GOOD COLONIC AND THEN STICK A FEW NEEDLES IN MY BODY ACCORDING TO THE PATH OF SOME RIVERS IN CHINA! THATLL SHOW EM
I hate when people claim "OH I CAN TELL IF THERES MSG IN FOOD I GET A REACTION HERP DERP"..WHAT? How do they know its the msg? How come the 5000mg of sodium is never taken into account, or the 50g of saturated fat and oils they just also consumed? Why is the acidic tomato sauce and the spicy seasonings not taken into account? What the hell do people point at MSG for? You know what I think? The average person is stupid and therefore is intimidated by the scary sounding "monosodium glutamate" name
If I (unknowingly consume MSG, I can tell because about an hour later, I wake up. MSG simply puts me to sleep for about an hour. My sister has the same reaction.
Why is it the only people who have this problem seem to be the ones who already believe msg can do this? Funny, I decided to do a little experiment to an "allergic" friend of mine. I put msg in our salad dressing and also into my mac n cheese. (you can buy it for 99 cent at your local market)
Funny thing is, he didnt get any problem. Why is that??
KEY-koo-nigh (as in "the end is") EE-keh-dah would be closer. Japanese doesn't really have syllabic stress to my understanding, but they pronounce things in a way that Western audiences would probably perceive a stress on the first syllable in both cases.
If you claim multiple chemical sensitivity, then you're just ignorant. Most people who claim msg is problematic in humans claim validity of mcs at some level. MCS is just a type of somatization... which means it will only ever do something if you THINK IT WILL. Stress of one person does more damage to everyone than MSG does to anyone.
It's entirely possible, but I want you to consider that it might be some other component of what you are eating (oyster sauce, for example, or a mega-dose of sodium). MSG is found in virtually any packaged food at some level, and parmesan is almost 10% by weight free glutamate.
@C0nc0rdance When you tell someone that parmesan is almost 10% by weight free glutamate, you are implying that that should have the same effect as MSG and you know that isn't true. They are utilized by the body in very different ways. That is very misleading to someone who may not be as well versed in chemistry as yourself. There are many people who have bad reactions to MSG but have no problems with free glutamate, which is in many foods naturally. Stay away from food additives made in a lab.
You might be utilizing the naturalistic fallacy here, because the only difference between "free glutamate" and "monosodium glutamate" is one is a powdery salt, and the other is an ion in solution. Once you dissolve MSG, it becomes free glutamate, indistinguishable from the substance in parmesan.
MSG is made from protein, usually from soy or yeast. Parmesan is made from milk proteins (curds).
I have negative reactions when I knowingly eat foods with MSG. I often sweat and feel hot, my heart races and I have an overall bad feeling and fatigue. I've compared different eateries that have MSG and those who don't. I can not claim that it was exclusively the MSG. Perhaps my system was jacked up on salt and sugar more-so than MSG. Does this mean the government is trying to kill us? NO, You can flail around like the Alex Jones crowd or eat healthier, simple as that. You have a choice.
Japanese are more healthy than USA and they eat more msg, so that must mean that msg is not dangerous. They also have flouride and aspartame in their diet, so those must be okay too, according to your argument, right? Your argument is moot! Did you ever consider that mabe it is because Japanese eat more fish and sea vegetables, so they get about 100 times the iodine that we in the USA get? That is much more likely to be atributable to their better health, if you know anything about iodine.
@yerk3 OOOOOKAY, so the Japanese must have huge problems with mercury poisoning then, huh? So avoid fish, kelp and sea vegetables, but load up on MSG? Theres a great pathway to health. Go for it.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I was making fun of you for buying into panics about trace amounts of stuff in food that conspiracy theorists like to go apeshit about. Thanks for not getting it.
@yerk3 So, people that get headaches from MSG are conspiracy theorists?? You are the one who dosent get it, if you buy into this stupid video. Implying that free glutimate and MSG are the same thing is a contrived argument to sway people that dont know any better. You, my friend, dont get it.
@SUPERSILVER7771 People who get headaches that they think are from MSG may be having psycho-somatic symptoms. Never underestimate the power of placebo.
@yerk3 You keep eating your MSG, aspartame, flouridated water, chlorinated water. Dont avoid it because some scientists say its healthy. I avoid man made chemicals and lean toward natural things. But I keep forgetting, science is "god". Mabe someday I'll learn that.
Natural things? Like aflotoxin, nightshade, belladonna, and poisonous mushrooms?
Are you careful to avoid any water that is naturally fluoridated? Do you only eat foods that contain no free glutamate?
An appeal to nature fallacy, like what you're using here, is ultimately revealing your belief in immaterial essences. If you want to take that position, fine, but it would be pointless to reason about an unreasonable belief.
@C0nc0rdance I am not nearly as dogmatic as you assume. As a general rule I stay away from man made toxins, additives, and the like. I am not the fanatical conspiracy theorist you accuse me of being. I was once like you, then I opened my mind to other possibilities. I am much better off for it, not to mention my father being still alive. (Cancer should have taken him at least a year ago, allopathic medical certainty.) What do you do for a living? You would be a very successful politician.
@SUPERSILVER7771 "I am not the fanatical conspiracy theorist you accuse me of being. I was once like you, then I opened my mind to other possibilities."
Superfilver7771 has favorited Zeitgeist and several other conspiracy theorist videos.
@C0nc0rdance Nature fallacy... wow. Your do have a great grasp of semantics and language. A lawyer mabe?? I guess its very unreasonable that I am much better off once I turned my back on allopathetic medicine, but I will never go back. I am much healthier, and have saved a boatload of money. It has its place, I will concede, but mostly for trauma situations. You calling my beliefs unreasonable is very narrow minded.
@C0nc0rdance I wont dignify your questions about natural but poisonous substances with a response other than this. You know what I am saying, but are being argumentative. What do you do for a living?
@whenindoubtdo So, you really think that you know what I am about or what I think because of a few videos on my favorites?? There is absolutely no reason for your comment except gross ignorance and having the mind of a child that likes to call names! If you want to make a comment, say something about what I have said, shoot a hole in one of my arguments. Of course that would take time, effort, intelligence, and critical thinking skills, which you have already demonstrated you grossly lack.
@whenindoubtdo I have no idea. But the fact that building 7 was not even mentioned in the 911 report certainly raises red flags, does it not? The ONLY THING I KNOW, is that the official account of what happened is absolutely BS. Although this isnt really the forum to discuss this. This is about MSG. You got it offtrack by accusing me of things that are not true, and calling me names.
@SUPERSILVER7771 "This is about MSG. You got it offtrack by accusing me of things that are not true, and calling me names."
I agree. I'm launching an adhom at you. But considering my own personal lack of knowledge of the topic, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to use info like like to make up mind about a topic. Consider what I'm doing... a form of source research.
@whenindoubtdo And since you brought it up, albiet in a totally ignorant and messed up way, the ONLY thing that i believe and know about 911 is that the official account given to us by the US government is absolutely BS. Other than that, thats all I know for sure. Anyone who thinks otherwise has either gotten all of their information from the media, hasnt actually researched the matter beyond the newspaper, or has no critical thinking skills.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I still think you're a truther. Your favorites: Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist addendum, Coast to Coast: Secret US space time and teleportion projects.
(Not the kind of person I would be trusting with health advice!)
@whenindoubtdo You can think all you want, I would suggest you start thinking critically. (You are judging with no basis.) Have you watched any of the videos you speak of? Still judging me by favorites without answering any questions. Again, try to keep to the subject at hand you ADD name calling ignoramus. I guarantee you I have done months more research into health than you have. But you would rather sit on your pedistal calling names rather than telling your opinion.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I watched Zeitgeist years ago. If you think that critical thinking leads one to the conclusions of Zeitgeist... than I can surely say you are a very funny person. :) Son of god? lmao.
Haven't seen that video on US government secret projects on space time and teleportation though. I hope it's true, so that one day I can travel through space time and inject Alex Jones with Nano-bots.
If you are actually ignorant enough to believe the official account, please explain the accounts of firemen hearing, feeling, and seeing explosions in the basement BEFORE the plane hit. (This was on MAJOR NETWORK NEWS hours after the crashes, and were never aired again. Wonder why??) Explain why there was molten metal in the basement of the wreckage weeks after? Explain why a third building that was not hit by a plane fell that day, if you even know that happened. That fact has been hidden.
@whenindoubtdo NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT!!!! Did you read what I said? You may want to see a doctor or maybe a psychologist regarding your inability to comprehend written words. I wont repeat myself, go back and re-read what I wrote to your question. Im not going to waste any more time responding to your ignorant statements unless you can come up with something with some actual thought behind it.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I find it ironic that you accuse me of believing that science is "god," when your belief that things you've arbitrarily deemed "natural" are inherently more healthy is no more logical and has no more basis than any other religious dogma.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I think you'll find that the argument wasn't that the Japanese are healthy BECAUSE of all the MSG and aspartame they eat, but rather the fact that they aren't all obese brain-damaged wretches with body parts falling off all over the place contradicts the claims made by the MSG alarmists.
@yerk3 I understand that, obviously. But the argument definately leads one to believe that msg is not dangerous, and uses the Japanese as proof of that argument. I was making the argument that their good health is not because MSG is not dangerous, but very possibly that they get hundreds of times more iodine in their diet than Americans. About 95% of Americans are iodine deficient, and iodine acts as an excellent antioxidant, which helps get rid of many of the toxins that are also in their diet.
"Glutamate" moiety is probably in 99% of proteins from any source. "Free glutamate" is a bit different. When I say MSG, I'm referring to the monomer, "free glutamate". Usually the cation is sodium, as in the crystalline form.
We often refer to substances by their "shelf form" in biology (i.e. TrisHCl). I found many references to MSG in the medical literature where they were in fact talking about dietary free glutamate.
Between the MSG that occurs naturally, the added MSG in everyday products, the artificial sweeteners, the artificial colors, the plasticides, the pesticides, the antibiotics, the radiation, and all the other chemicals in processed and natural foods, the chemical cocktails we consume on a daily basis are absolutely nothing to worry about- it actually creates jobs for many of us. Sincerely yours, the US Medical and Pharmaceutical Industries
This video makes me wonder if MSG has more negative health effects than marijuana, or if they are comparable. And then, why the different tone towards both?
The cost is just a lot higher, and they require full-time specialist vets, extensive feeding, cleaning, vet care. Apes require an entire facility dedicated to that purpose, which is why there are only 10 national primate centers.
Plus, a lot of us just really don't want to harm them.
@C0nc0rdance none of us want to deliberately harm animals i do not even think the people that do the test on mice like it, unfortunately what choice do we have we wouldn't hurt mice or other animals,i guess though until we find a better way it is unfortunately a black mark on humanity as i would think there would be no testing on any animals ex: mice,monkeys,or even frog,all that being said,your remark on the cost well if we want accurate results how else do we do it animal activist cont.
@C0nc0rdance and not to mention the fact that it is not we that are experimenting on the mice, but rather the mice that are experimenting on us. Decade after decade purposely running down the wrong maze... eating the wrong bit of cheese... the accumulated effect is astounding.
I'm glad you've decided to tackle some of these commonly held beliefs on food, medicine, drugs, etc. One in particular that I'd appreciate you going over since I personally have been hearing a lot about it lately is high fructose corn syrup. Just a thought for a future video. Keep up the good videos!
I have a friend who has drunk diet coke every day since she was a teen. Now, in midlife, she is having unusual health problems. I can't help but wonder if such persistent, long-term use of aspartame hasn't contributed to her problems.
I tried to get a response thru messaging so I guess I'll just leave this here. Naturally occurring glutamate is in the form of oligo-saccharides and polysaccharides. They are bound in amino acids groupings. They're not free amino acids. If you have it as a complex protein, you absorb it in your GI tract. In the GI tract, there are almost no free amino acids if you eat foods such as tomatoes. MSG is an artificially unbound amino acid that the body was never meant to absorb directly.
Your blood brain barrier is not constructed to handle such high levels of unbound glutamate, because it doesn't naturally occur that way. It can handle the lower levels, but it can't handle these very high levels. So this argument, "Oh, it's natural," is just a lot of nonsense.
Oh, no, I'm ONLY listing natural levels of FREE glutamate monomer in the description, and the levels are quite high in natural foods. Free glutamate is abundant in our bodies as well, as it is in breast milk, meats and cheeses.
You may not understand the nature of the B-B barrier. The apical surface doesn't express many receptors for glutamate, so the only way glutamate can pass is by "leakage" of fluid between cells. The concentration of glutamate has almost no effect on this.
@C0nc0rdance There are glutamate receptors on both sides of the blood brain barrier, and when you expose these receptors to glutamate, it opens up the blood brain barrier. So, the glutamate itself can open the barrier. As you get older, your barrier becomes less competent... Too high of a fever can compromise the barrier... the list goes on. Combine all of this with increased brain immune activity, and you begin to question the explosion we're seeing in once rare neurodegenerative diseases.
@roninkross Not to mention the increase of bio-accumulating mercury in our environment and injected into us (via adjuvants) causes glial cell swelling which are rendered unable to soak-up glutamine from synapses (contributing to excitotoxicity).I know you're an honest scientist, and that you're trying to be fair. I just ask you to do a little more research, because I doubt most of your viewers are going to do it themselves like I am.
Any good skeptic would ask that you defend each of your claims. I suspect you are mixing up METHYLmercury for ETHYLmercury when you are talking about glial cells and aquaporins. Surely you don't think adjuvants contain METHYLmercury or that they are bio-equivalent?
@C0nc0rdance NeuroToxicology January 2005 "...glial cell toxicity of methylmercury AND ethylmercury (as dosed via thimerosal) are both mediated by the depletion of the antioxidant peptide glutathione. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition December 2004 "...autistic children had lower levels of glutathione compared to normal controls, and may therefore have had a significant reduction in the ability to detoxify reactive oxygen species." No I'm not getting them mixed up.
Do you think ethylmercury causes autism via direct glutathione depletion or oxidative damage?
Did you actually read Jill James' paper, or just cut and paste the bad citation?
Here's the author's conclusion:
"both ethyl- and methylmercury [toxicity] have been shown to be mediated by glutathione depletion, dietary supplements that increase intracellular glutathione could be envisioned as an effective intervention to reduce previous or anticipated exposure to mercury."
@C0nc0rdance haha no my friend I did read the paper, and I don't mean that in a negative way at all. I did read the full paper including the conclusion. What I was getting at is ethylmercury can affect the glial cells in the same manner as methylmercury. And the whole premise of our discussion has been poor dietary nutrition which her findings exemplify. I do not wish an "I'm right, your wrong stance." I was merely trying to show you that there are more to these excitotoxic effects.
@C0nc0rdance You may be right on the EAATs. I'm not a science major so you'll have to forgive my small amount of knowledge in certain areas. My apologies. What I did find however is that glutamate still gets through in high quantities from a consistent elevated diet heavy with glutamate. Toth, E. & Lajtha, A. (1981) "Elevation of cerebral levels on nonessential amino acids in vivo by administration of large doses" Neurochem Res 6:1309-17.
Can't find this paper full text, so I'm having to guess, but by "large doses" usually they are talking about diets containing 20% or more of the amino acid by mass or a huge bolus of fluid. The goal is to overwhelm normal function of the BBB, to model what a very old or sick person would experience.
Also, these are mice and rats, which have a different BBB biochemistry. As nutrient transport models, non-rodents are much more useful.
@C0nc0rdance Ok I'm a little out of my league here. So I will consort with my good friend who is a diverse multi-diciplinary scientist, mostly knowledgeable in micro-biology, before I make an ass out of myself. I do ask you though if you are familiar with peripheral glutamate receptors? Also the parts of the brain that have no barrier from excitotoxins such as the hypothalamus? Not trying to take up your time being rudely insistent, but either you are right or other doctors are outright lying.
Anything I eat that is canned/boxed or contains high sodium or MSG causes my eyes to be extremely puffy the next day...horribly. I try to avoid it but even making homemade tomato sauce from canned tomatoes has the same effect. It's really hard to avoid. You can ask the Chinese restaurant to hold the MSG but I found I still had the puffies even without it.
I've never experienced any physical problems with MSG. However, I have a very sensitive sense of taste, and I find excessive MSG really throws the taste of my food off in a negative way.
if disodium guanylate is present in a list of ingredients but MSG does not appear to be, it is likely that glutamic acid is provided as part of another ingredient such as a processed soy protein complex. It is often added to foods in conjunction with disodium inosinate;Disodium guanylate is produced from dried fish or dried seaweed and is often added to instant noodles, potato chips and other snacks, savoury rice, tinned vegetables, cured meats, and packaged soup
It's like everything else. For example: a bottle of beer or an 8 ounce glass of dry red wine with a meal is actually healthy for you, good for your heart and circulation. But a whole case of beer, or a gallon of wine with a meal is bad for you. And, if you happen to be an alcoholic then having none is better for you. Also, if you're allergic to something, then it's best to avoid it, even if it's a natural substance. We need to learn to be less paranoid. Thanks for giving us the truth.
Thanks for this video. Maybe it'll help combat the paranoia a little bit.
I know people who who are allergic/sensitive to dairy, peanuts, seafood, gluten and even strawberries, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some people out there are also especially sensitive to MSG.
On the other hand, I also know a couple of people who claim to be "extremely" sensitive to MSG and yet somehow, magically, seem to have no problems after eating Doritos, seasoned french fries, certain canned soups, etc.
I'm glad you pointed that out. C0nc0rdance is a linguistic perfectionist, never mind the thoroughly researched points he makes, if he combines two words incorrectly (in a grammatical sense), the message is lost, and all is for none.
LOL. I'm glad to see you are DIFFERENT THAN the typical commenter. I'm guilty of grammar nazi-ism myself sometimes, so I don't mind the criticism. We learn from mistakes.
@C0nc0rdance ‘Different than’ isn't really a mistake. Actually, pretty much everything popularly considered a ‘mistake’ is probably dialectic, and not a mistake at all. In fact, most things that are considered ‘modern corruptions’ — or some silly thing along those lines — are in fact much older than people tend to think (sometimes even older than the ‘preferred’ usage). I can't post links, but you could take a look at Language Log (blog by actual *linguists*) if you're interested.
My generally skeptical parents forbid my brother access to MSG for a few years, when they heard somewhere that it could be related to hyperactivity. It actually did seem to help with my brother's behaviour, but I suspect that wasn't a direct result of the ban; rather, my parents felt more in control when our family was in public, and were therefore less inclined to overreact to an outburst. But at any rate, we saved money and ate less processed food, so it was just as well.
According to several sources, including Jeffery Steingarten (food editor of Vogue), every restaurant in China has a container of MSG right next to the wok, and it is used freely and all the time. But i'll give you the Cliff notes version: There is NO scientifically reproducible reaction to MSG found in multiple double blind tests, none. In short, Chinese restaurant syndrome does not exist, or is a psychological phenomenon at best, a form of mass hysteria.
Chinese restaurant syndrome is about as accurate as saying vaccines cause autism, which has been totally disproved. Question: If MSG is so bad, why aren't billions of Chinese dying from it or having terrible headaches?
@cpovey1 Could be any number of things. Although I would guess that while western Chinese food is full of MSG perhaps more traditional Chinese is not.
I avoid MSG and highly processed food , because I really prefer my flavour to come from the ingredients and not from a chemical factory.
Also my digestive system reacts, uhm, rapidly. And it really wasn't because I was "against it". I started noticing that I'd come down with diarreah every time after we went to our favourite Chinese restaurant. I found one that uses less MSG and I'm fine with their food. It's OK once in a while, I worry more about the bazillion of calories
Actually, the source of most crystalline MSG is either yeast or soy. I don't think it would be cost effective to make it from hydrocarbons when it's found in every living thing on Earth, even human breast milk.
Most people get their Chinese MSG (free glutamate) from natural sources like oyster sauce, soy sauce, and in other cuisines from various sauces. Remember that glutamate is one of the 20 amino acids that make up proteins. Without it, you can't make any new proteins.
@C0nc0rdance I realize that it's not some "bad artificial invention by big whatever", but I've come to recognize it as a kind of label for "low quality food". I really enjoy food, cooking and eating, and when something I need 4 things to make has an ingredients list of half a mile, it's not going t end up in my larder.
A lot of people nowadays don't know how the food actually tastes, they only know the artificial chemical mix they've been trained to eat since their first vanillin-formula bottle
I wouldn't argue with you, giliel. People are free to choose, and MSG isn't especially "good" for you either. I just wanted to address the fear and paranoia.
I've been a hobby gardener for a few years now, and there really is no substitute for veggies you pull out of your own dirt.
@C0nc0rdance Chemists are always trying to make the argument that chemicals are chemicals regardless of whether made naturally or synthetically. Thats complete hogwash, and been proven to the contrary. We do not understand exactly how the human body works, but I wholeheartedly believe that natural MSG will not be nearly as bad as artificially produced MSG, or other chemicals for that matter.
@yerk3 Exactly what science are you talking about? You are so brainwashed. The FDA exists to protect the profits of drug companies, pure and simple. In fact they are directly PAID BY drug companies. (Usage fees) If that is the group of scientists you are referring to, I will definately lean toward my lowley subjective view of the world. You are so misguided and brainwashed. And Im sure youll say you are educated.
@SUPERSILVER7771 I knew you'd eventually accuse me of being "brainwashed." That's a favorite among conspiracy theorists. If you don't immediately ascribe to their asinine hypotheses, you're either "brainwashed" or actively working for (insert one of the above: the Pharmaceutical Industry, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, the International Jew, all of the above) Paranoid accusations are a great way to try to shut someone down, but are a poor arguing tool.
@yerk3 I wouldnt agree with your assesment in the least. I am very scientifically minded, but to discount anything that has not been approved by the FDA, study, or other is very narrow. I certainly dont think you work for pharm or illuminutty, but I think your perspective is very narrow. If my father had followed the allopathic dogma, and done just chemo and radiation, he would have been dead a year ago at the latest, and poss. 2 years ago. I dont need science to tell me that natural cures work.
@yerk3 When you don't open your mind to possibilities outside of what is provable by the scientific method, I think that is a very narrow view. Honestly, about 5 years ago, I would have been arguing as you are. I was on many script drugs, in poor condition, when I found a naturopathic doctor, who advised me to get off all meds and got me on suppliments and the like. Much much more healthy now, (against the wishes of my Dr.) and theres no turning back, once pandoras box is open, u cant shut it.
Awww, that last warning was the only incorrect thing in this video. Real friends aren't nice to each other, real friends mess with each other constantly~!
Interesting read, maybe... maybe not. Stop generalizing in these public relations, shill. Actually expect out of 2 billion agents here, that there will be someone watching, that doesn't play simple.
A very interesting video - I actually didn't know that MSG was a naturally occurring substance, I did know that it's toxicity required high doses, which is why I've never sweated eating a pack of Mr. Noddles once or twice a year.
I'd actually never heard of 'Chinese Restaurant Syndrome', but most places out here usually seem to proudly proclaim that they use no MSG.
I think like most things, that I'd prefer to have it 'from the source' rather than as an additive. *shrugs* Mushroom goodness.
Headache? Hell no... I always get a buzz after I eat some good Italian food or Asian. I'm glad to know that there's a quantifiable reason why my family spaghetti sauce tastes so awesome. No wonder it goes back 6 generations.
anything man-tampered with concerns me. i don't feel anyone alive has a firm enough grasp on long term effects of any of our "creations" to safely unleash them on the masses. there is no telling whether aspartame (barring any short term effects) will in 2 generations completely sterilize the human race and we all die out. granted that that is an exaggeration but my point still holds true. This can be the result of any number of experimental consumables currently available or in the future.
I think the problem with the 'man tampered' argument is that it seems as if there are mad German scientists playing in their labs and creating the most evil of substances. The reality is that with every food additive, they have to be checked to ensure they are safe for consumption by the general public. Science which is portrayed in the media, messing with nature and other various evil things and then unleashing it on the public untested is wrong.
Somehow, I think taking in that much caffeine, a potent diuretic, caused a few more problems than aspartame... Though taking in that much aspartame probably isn't a good idea either. Or that much anything. Good on you for stopping.
I only drink caffeine-free soda. Previously I got headaches, after a yeast free diet they went away (or discontinuing Aspertame). Now Aspertane is causing some skin eruptions, they cease when the Aspartame is ceased.
Odd. I hope you've talked to a doctor about that, as that's not a typical reaction. How can you be sure it's the aspartame? It's always a good idea to talk to a physician (heck, see if a friend knows a dermatologist) rather than assuming you know what the problem is. I also used to drink a lot of diet soda and made the decision to cut it out of my diet almost entirely, so I think you made a good decision nonetheless.
Simple process of elimination showed the problem to be aspartame. I switched from soda to a fruit-flavored drink mix (with aspartame) and the problem persisted. When I stop consuming aspartame, the problem goes away. My doctor looked at the problem and said it was nothing to worry about, just a nuisance, cosmetic. I suspect the fruit-flavored drink mix has even more aspartame than soda, based on symptoms.
MSG, aspartame, fructose, sugar, man made radiation, chemtrails and more, make this a wonderful world. Most children don't get enough Vitamin C. The recommended daily dose is 70 mg but a sensible dose is 1000-2000 mg.
I think the chinese food syndrome is mostly due to the actual ingredients..
Chinese food uses lots of oil and everything is generally fried or 'stir fried'.
Second, chinese food generally has tons of sodium and that can affect people as well. My moms legs and feet always get swollen shortly after eating food like that.
Third, you tend to eat large portions with chinese food, and you commonly have all you can eat buffets.
All these things combined probably contribute to the "syndrome".
One thing that this does not take into account is the reaction between msg and anything else we eat with it. I feel terrible when I have hfcs and msg. I don't feel as bad with one or the other.
The study asking people if they feel a difference between the placebo and the msg isn't very reliable to me because we don't know how the people were picked. I can tell a difference when I eat msg and when I don't because I avoid it. When I don't avoid it I get used to the feeling and it doesn't bother me
MSG is added to almost every food commercially made now if I'm not mistaken. I noticed a while back that every time I ate at my local Chinese restaurant that soon after I developed a bad head ache and minor mood swings of aggression. Didn't link the two together recently. Of course I had Chinese again today lol. I really appreciate this video! I think I very well may be one of those people who are affected by MSG.
I don't have a problem with MSG. It's makes food delicious! However, I would make a slight correction to your "dose makes poison". I would say (along with Ashford and Miller 1998) that dose PLUS the host make the poison: Some people may be hypersensitive or susceptible (e.g. people who already have elevated levels of glutamate in their bodies, or people who are sensitive to glutamate for some weird reason). But for the "average" person, my guess is that MSG is fine. My non-expert opinion.
Wow. I came here because Thunderf00t favorited it. You should have stopped with "No clinical data supporting toxicity of adverse effects." (and perhaps note that there is ample clinical data). This is prototypical bad science, and I'm confused as to why Thunderf00t would favorite this. You might as well have said vaccinations cause autism.
@moosepopper "You should have stopped with "No clinical data supporting toxicity of adverse effects." [ . . . ] This is prototypical bad science"
It's a recognition that the world isn't completely black and white. The only thing he ended up saying was "If you want to air on the side of caution, watch for low-MSG foods for your child", which is not necessarily the same as saying vaccines cause autism.
Except that it isn't. We know, as well as we can, that autism isn't caused by vaccinations, and we've specifically looked into children. We know that the concerns that are plausible from vaccinations are very rare, and not necessarily life-threatening. We know that vaccinations are a fairly important part of a communities medical health, even if they do cause problems. This last one is an important difference.
@Cyrathil Ok so I'll take a less sarcastic tone. You're right on that last point.
I'm actually doing pubmed searches now with regards MSG and neonates. There are several allusions in a '99 study to trials that have been conducted that assure safety in neonates, but I cannot find them (still looking). As for the more recent concern, all I see are new trials conducted in rats with ridiculously high doses, and I hope we can all agree that is massively uninteresting (and already well-known).
@moosepopper I can agree. I'm not saying that MSG concerns are well-founded. I'll certainly not be expending the effort to avoid MSG, since I don't plan on binging on amounts that would be able to register as harmful. I'm just saying it's not necessarily bad to say that, if you're worried for whatever reason, avoid this food additive. I'd be the first to say it's probably not necessary, but people have, and continue to do, worse things.
@moosepopper I suppose I simply didn't understand the nature of your indictment. Did he misuse some research or something? Or was it a language issue?
I been saying this for years! thank you for putting all those research in a easy to understand video.
ccaptorchen 1 week ago
20% by weight? I knew those mice were... DOOMED FROM THE START, SPOCK!
EthanNin0 1 month ago
One-sided revisionism. This isn't about cleverness but reality. Good questions to ask though: "How are Asians dealing with the use of MSG, and are we, in the West, using the same source they use to create it?" Of note, most of the soy and corn are now from GMO sources. The whole food chain supply is exposed to being compromised, and we've already gone very far with this freak science. Mark my words: air fresheners, fabric softeners and perfumes are the next upcoming scandals of magnitude.
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d0ntbeevil 1 month ago
I can't speak for MSG, but I can tell you I had a BAD reaction to aspartame in crystal light. I didn't suspect the crystal light till someone mentioned it might be the aspartame. Got off of it, and felt good for the first time in a month. Now when I have anything with aspartame in it, even without knowing it has aspartame I get a reaction. then I go look, and sure enough there's aspartame (or neotame) on the ingredients. It's really bad shit.
m081779 1 month ago
@m081779
Crystal Light is basically pure artificial flavorings, so it could be that some other component was affecting you. It does have aspartame, but also acesulfame K, and depending on which one you drink, they contain at least three FD&C dyes. Then you have purified "natural flavors".
Try switching to a slice of citrus for flavor?
C0nc0rdance 1 month ago
@C0nc0rdance I understand all that, but that doesn't account for the fact that every once in a blue moon I will eat something, start to feel exactly as I did back when I was sick from the crystal light, and then I look at the ingredients I see one of the aspartame family sweeteners. That can only be explained by an aspartame sensitivity. I know there are lotf of other food additives that are bad, and interactions between them are complex. But Aspartame is really nasty stuff.
m081779 1 month ago
This video ignores the obvious facts:
1. Isolating a substance and then adding it to food in unfamiliar settings is not the same as consuming it in its natural setting.
2. Processes foods contain many synthetic compounds, studies rarely control for interactions between additives.
3. Even drug companies test drugs and get them approved in isolation, even though they are often used in combination with other drugs.
This is why a substance like MSG cannot at this time be declared safe.
wjestick 2 months ago
I am glad you did this on msg I have always avoided it.and women who are not msg free. some one told me it was made from beets. hummm
AngstromJohnny 2 months ago
I think MSG has a definitive psychological effect on me. What I've noticed is that after I eat high MSG foods, I get a strange, clear mental high and some "funny" feeling. I noticed it before I even know about the possible excitatory effect of MSG.
inb4 shitstorm, I don't claim that this effect is negative(I rather enjoy it) or that this can be used as evidence, it's just an anecdote and I know that there's a possibility that I'm just imagining this.
pocpic 2 months ago
I heard it can make you fat ...
because it leads people to eat more food!
because it's like the artificial sweetners...it increases the taste
unassumption 3 months ago
@unassumption
There's actually some evidence to support that (Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 Apr 6), and already some ideas about using that effect to help the underweight elderly, who have difficulty savoring foods because their taste sensations are decreased.
MSG is one of those things where the jury is not 100% in.
C0nc0rdance 3 months ago
The argument that people who eat MSG early in life are likely to be obese is stupid. Of course people that eat lots of MSG are going to be obese because they are usually eating prepackaged and generally unhealthy foods.
reily6488 4 months ago
So.... eating marmite is going to kill me?
prophetchannel 5 months ago
If you asked most people who avoid SCARY SOUNDING "monosodium glutamate" if they also make sure to avoid deoxyribonucleic acid in their diet, they would say, OH MY GOD, WHATS THAT?!?! BIG PHARMA STRIKES AGAIN! MONSANTO IS TRYING TO SHOVE THEIR CANCER GMO PILLS ON ME AGAIN! ALIENS PHARMA FOOD WALMART DEVILS!!!! EXITOTOXIN VACCINE!! >>>I GOTTA CLEANSE MYSELF FROM THIS FILTH WITH A GOOD COLONIC AND THEN STICK A FEW NEEDLES IN MY BODY ACCORDING TO THE PATH OF SOME RIVERS IN CHINA! THATLL SHOW EM
kekejojo1212 5 months ago
I hate when people claim "OH I CAN TELL IF THERES MSG IN FOOD I GET A REACTION HERP DERP"..WHAT? How do they know its the msg? How come the 5000mg of sodium is never taken into account, or the 50g of saturated fat and oils they just also consumed? Why is the acidic tomato sauce and the spicy seasonings not taken into account? What the hell do people point at MSG for? You know what I think? The average person is stupid and therefore is intimidated by the scary sounding "monosodium glutamate" name
kekejojo1212 5 months ago
You mention autism as a disease!?
ZarlanTheGreen 6 months ago
If I (unknowingly consume MSG, I can tell because about an hour later, I wake up. MSG simply puts me to sleep for about an hour. My sister has the same reaction.
libomann 6 months ago
MSG tastes gre-a-a-a-a-at...
FACT!!!
DrSpooglemon 7 months ago
Why is it the only people who have this problem seem to be the ones who already believe msg can do this? Funny, I decided to do a little experiment to an "allergic" friend of mine. I put msg in our salad dressing and also into my mac n cheese. (you can buy it for 99 cent at your local market)
Funny thing is, he didnt get any problem. Why is that??
ryoshi100 7 months ago
KEY-koo-nigh (as in "the end is") EE-keh-dah would be closer. Japanese doesn't really have syllabic stress to my understanding, but they pronounce things in a way that Western audiences would probably perceive a stress on the first syllable in both cases.
Zahlman 8 months ago
I've always had a pleasant, mellow euphoric feeling after eating a lot of Chinese food.
yerk3 8 months ago
If you claim multiple chemical sensitivity, then you're just ignorant. Most people who claim msg is problematic in humans claim validity of mcs at some level. MCS is just a type of somatization... which means it will only ever do something if you THINK IT WILL. Stress of one person does more damage to everyone than MSG does to anyone.
PalulukanMakto 8 months ago
For whatever reason, MSG seasonings give me hangover-like headaches. Maybe I'm allergic or whatever, but it does.
Parmesan doesn't seem to do it but I guess it has a lot less of the chemical.
syn010110 8 months ago
@syn010110
It's entirely possible, but I want you to consider that it might be some other component of what you are eating (oyster sauce, for example, or a mega-dose of sodium). MSG is found in virtually any packaged food at some level, and parmesan is almost 10% by weight free glutamate.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Hm, I wonder what it could be then? Maybe it's just a coincidence.
syn010110 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance When you tell someone that parmesan is almost 10% by weight free glutamate, you are implying that that should have the same effect as MSG and you know that isn't true. They are utilized by the body in very different ways. That is very misleading to someone who may not be as well versed in chemistry as yourself. There are many people who have bad reactions to MSG but have no problems with free glutamate, which is in many foods naturally. Stay away from food additives made in a lab.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771
You might be utilizing the naturalistic fallacy here, because the only difference between "free glutamate" and "monosodium glutamate" is one is a powdery salt, and the other is an ion in solution. Once you dissolve MSG, it becomes free glutamate, indistinguishable from the substance in parmesan.
MSG is made from protein, usually from soy or yeast. Parmesan is made from milk proteins (curds).
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago 7
I have negative reactions when I knowingly eat foods with MSG. I often sweat and feel hot, my heart races and I have an overall bad feeling and fatigue. I've compared different eateries that have MSG and those who don't. I can not claim that it was exclusively the MSG. Perhaps my system was jacked up on salt and sugar more-so than MSG. Does this mean the government is trying to kill us? NO, You can flail around like the Alex Jones crowd or eat healthier, simple as that. You have a choice.
evilfreethinker 8 months ago
Japanese are more healthy than USA and they eat more msg, so that must mean that msg is not dangerous. They also have flouride and aspartame in their diet, so those must be okay too, according to your argument, right? Your argument is moot! Did you ever consider that mabe it is because Japanese eat more fish and sea vegetables, so they get about 100 times the iodine that we in the USA get? That is much more likely to be atributable to their better health, if you know anything about iodine.
SUPERSILVER7771 9 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 Yeah, all that mercury does a body good.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 OOOOOKAY, so the Japanese must have huge problems with mercury poisoning then, huh? So avoid fish, kelp and sea vegetables, but load up on MSG? Theres a great pathway to health. Go for it.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I was making fun of you for buying into panics about trace amounts of stuff in food that conspiracy theorists like to go apeshit about. Thanks for not getting it.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 So, people that get headaches from MSG are conspiracy theorists?? You are the one who dosent get it, if you buy into this stupid video. Implying that free glutimate and MSG are the same thing is a contrived argument to sway people that dont know any better. You, my friend, dont get it.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 People who get headaches that they think are from MSG may be having psycho-somatic symptoms. Never underestimate the power of placebo.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 I am very aware of the placebo effect, and I will certainly admit in many cases that is the case.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@yerk3 You keep eating your MSG, aspartame, flouridated water, chlorinated water. Dont avoid it because some scientists say its healthy. I avoid man made chemicals and lean toward natural things. But I keep forgetting, science is "god". Mabe someday I'll learn that.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771
Natural things? Like aflotoxin, nightshade, belladonna, and poisonous mushrooms?
Are you careful to avoid any water that is naturally fluoridated? Do you only eat foods that contain no free glutamate?
An appeal to nature fallacy, like what you're using here, is ultimately revealing your belief in immaterial essences. If you want to take that position, fine, but it would be pointless to reason about an unreasonable belief.
C0nc0rdance 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I am not nearly as dogmatic as you assume. As a general rule I stay away from man made toxins, additives, and the like. I am not the fanatical conspiracy theorist you accuse me of being. I was once like you, then I opened my mind to other possibilities. I am much better off for it, not to mention my father being still alive. (Cancer should have taken him at least a year ago, allopathic medical certainty.) What do you do for a living? You would be a very successful politician.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
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@SUPERSILVER7771 "I am not the fanatical conspiracy theorist you accuse me of being. I was once like you, then I opened my mind to other possibilities."
Superfilver7771 has favorited Zeitgeist and several other conspiracy theorist videos.
changetomorrowtoday 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Nature fallacy... wow. Your do have a great grasp of semantics and language. A lawyer mabe?? I guess its very unreasonable that I am much better off once I turned my back on allopathetic medicine, but I will never go back. I am much healthier, and have saved a boatload of money. It has its place, I will concede, but mostly for trauma situations. You calling my beliefs unreasonable is very narrow minded.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@C0nc0rdance I wont dignify your questions about natural but poisonous substances with a response other than this. You know what I am saying, but are being argumentative. What do you do for a living?
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 DON'T LISTEN TO SUPERSILVER7771. Look at his favorites! He's a 9/11 Truther/NWO conspiracy retard. *_*
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@whenindoubtdo So, you really think that you know what I am about or what I think because of a few videos on my favorites?? There is absolutely no reason for your comment except gross ignorance and having the mind of a child that likes to call names! If you want to make a comment, say something about what I have said, shoot a hole in one of my arguments. Of course that would take time, effort, intelligence, and critical thinking skills, which you have already demonstrated you grossly lack.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 Controlled demolition or not? What are your thoughts on Building 7?
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@whenindoubtdo I have no idea. But the fact that building 7 was not even mentioned in the 911 report certainly raises red flags, does it not? The ONLY THING I KNOW, is that the official account of what happened is absolutely BS. Although this isnt really the forum to discuss this. This is about MSG. You got it offtrack by accusing me of things that are not true, and calling me names.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 "This is about MSG. You got it offtrack by accusing me of things that are not true, and calling me names."
I agree. I'm launching an adhom at you. But considering my own personal lack of knowledge of the topic, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to use info like like to make up mind about a topic. Consider what I'm doing... a form of source research.
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@whenindoubtdo And since you brought it up, albiet in a totally ignorant and messed up way, the ONLY thing that i believe and know about 911 is that the official account given to us by the US government is absolutely BS. Other than that, thats all I know for sure. Anyone who thinks otherwise has either gotten all of their information from the media, hasnt actually researched the matter beyond the newspaper, or has no critical thinking skills.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I still think you're a truther. Your favorites: Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist addendum, Coast to Coast: Secret US space time and teleportion projects.
(Not the kind of person I would be trusting with health advice!)
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@whenindoubtdo You can think all you want, I would suggest you start thinking critically. (You are judging with no basis.) Have you watched any of the videos you speak of? Still judging me by favorites without answering any questions. Again, try to keep to the subject at hand you ADD name calling ignoramus. I guarantee you I have done months more research into health than you have. But you would rather sit on your pedistal calling names rather than telling your opinion.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I watched Zeitgeist years ago. If you think that critical thinking leads one to the conclusions of Zeitgeist... than I can surely say you are a very funny person. :) Son of god? lmao.
Haven't seen that video on US government secret projects on space time and teleportation though. I hope it's true, so that one day I can travel through space time and inject Alex Jones with Nano-bots.
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago 2
If you are actually ignorant enough to believe the official account, please explain the accounts of firemen hearing, feeling, and seeing explosions in the basement BEFORE the plane hit. (This was on MAJOR NETWORK NEWS hours after the crashes, and were never aired again. Wonder why??) Explain why there was molten metal in the basement of the wreckage weeks after? Explain why a third building that was not hit by a plane fell that day, if you even know that happened. That fact has been hidden.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 So you're saying there was a controlled demolition? If so, who did this and why?
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@whenindoubtdo NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT!!!! Did you read what I said? You may want to see a doctor or maybe a psychologist regarding your inability to comprehend written words. I wont repeat myself, go back and re-read what I wrote to your question. Im not going to waste any more time responding to your ignorant statements unless you can come up with something with some actual thought behind it.
SUPERSILVER7771 7 months ago
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@SUPERSILVER7771 Oh you didn't say that eh?
"please explain the accounts of firemen hearing, feeling, and seeing explosions in the basement BEFORE the plane hit."
lol You suck at being a truther, which is why you are a truther.
whenindoubtdo 7 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I find it ironic that you accuse me of believing that science is "god," when your belief that things you've arbitrarily deemed "natural" are inherently more healthy is no more logical and has no more basis than any other religious dogma.
yerk3 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I think you'll find that the argument wasn't that the Japanese are healthy BECAUSE of all the MSG and aspartame they eat, but rather the fact that they aren't all obese brain-damaged wretches with body parts falling off all over the place contradicts the claims made by the MSG alarmists.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 I understand that, obviously. But the argument definately leads one to believe that msg is not dangerous, and uses the Japanese as proof of that argument. I was making the argument that their good health is not because MSG is not dangerous, but very possibly that they get hundreds of times more iodine in their diet than Americans. About 95% of Americans are iodine deficient, and iodine acts as an excellent antioxidant, which helps get rid of many of the toxins that are also in their diet.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
Excellent vids as always. :)
deadly22sniper 9 months ago
@f4rtg34ji Oh. I see. I did not know that either. There is alot of things about chemistry I did not know about. Thank you for the information.
Also, what websites do you recomend about chemistry?
longname25 9 months ago
@f4rtg34ji
"Glutamate" moiety is probably in 99% of proteins from any source. "Free glutamate" is a bit different. When I say MSG, I'm referring to the monomer, "free glutamate". Usually the cation is sodium, as in the crystalline form.
We often refer to substances by their "shelf form" in biology (i.e. TrisHCl). I found many references to MSG in the medical literature where they were in fact talking about dietary free glutamate.
It's a good point, though. Should have clarified.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
I dont think aspartimine is that harmful as a mutagen. I tried to use it as a plant mutagen. Didn't get any results.
Psycatalyst 9 months ago
Between the MSG that occurs naturally, the added MSG in everyday products, the artificial sweeteners, the artificial colors, the plasticides, the pesticides, the antibiotics, the radiation, and all the other chemicals in processed and natural foods, the chemical cocktails we consume on a daily basis are absolutely nothing to worry about- it actually creates jobs for many of us. Sincerely yours, the US Medical and Pharmaceutical Industries
vineyardedge 9 months ago 2
@vineyardedge
And yet somehow the American people manage to live longer than ever before. Why do you think that is?
What about the Japanese. Are they suffering from all the added MSG? Are they, in general, a brain-damaged and unhealthy nation?
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago 7
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@C0nc0rdance
"What about the Japanese. Are they suffering from all the added MSG? Are they, in general, a brain-damaged and unhealthy nation?"
Yes they are. It's pretty clear that... oh you were talking about Japanese. I thought that you talked about the Americans.
Joking! Sorry. Couldn't resist. :P
BlizBob 1 week ago
This video makes me wonder if MSG has more negative health effects than marijuana, or if they are comparable. And then, why the different tone towards both?
doctorr2 9 months ago
Are you planning on doing any videos about aspartame or high-fructose corn syrup?
progrockcoffee 9 months ago
sorry if this is a dumb question but,why mice,wouldn't test on monkeys or apes be a closer match to humans
johndebbra 9 months ago
@johndebbra
Ballpark, highly inaccurate figures:
Cost to raise a mouse to adulthood ---- $500
Cost to raise a monkey to adulthood --- $20,000
Cost to raise an ape to adulthood ---- $200,000
The cost is just a lot higher, and they require full-time specialist vets, extensive feeding, cleaning, vet care. Apes require an entire facility dedicated to that purpose, which is why there are only 10 national primate centers.
Plus, a lot of us just really don't want to harm them.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance none of us want to deliberately harm animals i do not even think the people that do the test on mice like it, unfortunately what choice do we have we wouldn't hurt mice or other animals,i guess though until we find a better way it is unfortunately a black mark on humanity as i would think there would be no testing on any animals ex: mice,monkeys,or even frog,all that being said,your remark on the cost well if we want accurate results how else do we do it animal activist cont.
johndebbra 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance an lot of others i am sure would love to know way to test without endangering anything or anyone.
johndebbra 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance and not to mention the fact that it is not we that are experimenting on the mice, but rather the mice that are experimenting on us. Decade after decade purposely running down the wrong maze... eating the wrong bit of cheese... the accumulated effect is astounding.
DIFowner 9 months ago
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@ 2:44 - the moral of this story is DON'T INJECT MICE WITH EXREMELY HIGH DOSES OF MSG!!!
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago
@ 2:44 - the moral of this story is DON'T INJECT MICE WITH HIGH EXREMELY HIGH DOSES OF MSG.
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago
Wow. I did not know you can find MSG in foods such as tomatos and parasan cheese. Thanks for the video.
longname25 9 months ago
I'm glad you've decided to tackle some of these commonly held beliefs on food, medicine, drugs, etc. One in particular that I'd appreciate you going over since I personally have been hearing a lot about it lately is high fructose corn syrup. Just a thought for a future video. Keep up the good videos!
ARKAtheist 9 months ago
Excellent information.
NateFosterSR 9 months ago
I have a friend who has drunk diet coke every day since she was a teen. Now, in midlife, she is having unusual health problems. I can't help but wonder if such persistent, long-term use of aspartame hasn't contributed to her problems.
EyeLean5280 9 months ago
"The dose makes the poison" -Paracelsus
makaralaatikko 10 months ago
I tried to get a response thru messaging so I guess I'll just leave this here. Naturally occurring glutamate is in the form of oligo-saccharides and polysaccharides. They are bound in amino acids groupings. They're not free amino acids. If you have it as a complex protein, you absorb it in your GI tract. In the GI tract, there are almost no free amino acids if you eat foods such as tomatoes. MSG is an artificially unbound amino acid that the body was never meant to absorb directly.
roninkross 10 months ago
Your blood brain barrier is not constructed to handle such high levels of unbound glutamate, because it doesn't naturally occur that way. It can handle the lower levels, but it can't handle these very high levels. So this argument, "Oh, it's natural," is just a lot of nonsense.
roninkross 10 months ago
@roninkross
Oh, no, I'm ONLY listing natural levels of FREE glutamate monomer in the description, and the levels are quite high in natural foods. Free glutamate is abundant in our bodies as well, as it is in breast milk, meats and cheeses.
You may not understand the nature of the B-B barrier. The apical surface doesn't express many receptors for glutamate, so the only way glutamate can pass is by "leakage" of fluid between cells. The concentration of glutamate has almost no effect on this.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance There are glutamate receptors on both sides of the blood brain barrier, and when you expose these receptors to glutamate, it opens up the blood brain barrier. So, the glutamate itself can open the barrier. As you get older, your barrier becomes less competent... Too high of a fever can compromise the barrier... the list goes on. Combine all of this with increased brain immune activity, and you begin to question the explosion we're seeing in once rare neurodegenerative diseases.
roninkross 10 months ago
@roninkross Not to mention the increase of bio-accumulating mercury in our environment and injected into us (via adjuvants) causes glial cell swelling which are rendered unable to soak-up glutamine from synapses (contributing to excitotoxicity).I know you're an honest scientist, and that you're trying to be fair. I just ask you to do a little more research, because I doubt most of your viewers are going to do it themselves like I am.
roninkross 10 months ago
@roninkross
Any good skeptic would ask that you defend each of your claims. I suspect you are mixing up METHYLmercury for ETHYLmercury when you are talking about glial cells and aquaporins. Surely you don't think adjuvants contain METHYLmercury or that they are bio-equivalent?
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance NeuroToxicology January 2005 "...glial cell toxicity of methylmercury AND ethylmercury (as dosed via thimerosal) are both mediated by the depletion of the antioxidant peptide glutathione. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition December 2004 "...autistic children had lower levels of glutathione compared to normal controls, and may therefore have had a significant reduction in the ability to detoxify reactive oxygen species." No I'm not getting them mixed up.
roninkross 9 months ago
@roninkross
Do you think ethylmercury causes autism via direct glutathione depletion or oxidative damage?
Did you actually read Jill James' paper, or just cut and paste the bad citation?
Here's the author's conclusion:
"both ethyl- and methylmercury [toxicity] have been shown to be mediated by glutathione depletion, dietary supplements that increase intracellular glutathione could be envisioned as an effective intervention to reduce previous or anticipated exposure to mercury."
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance haha no my friend I did read the paper, and I don't mean that in a negative way at all. I did read the full paper including the conclusion. What I was getting at is ethylmercury can affect the glial cells in the same manner as methylmercury. And the whole premise of our discussion has been poor dietary nutrition which her findings exemplify. I do not wish an "I'm right, your wrong stance." I was merely trying to show you that there are more to these excitotoxic effects.
roninkross 9 months ago
@roninkross
I'm sorry, but you are demonstrably, factually wrong:
"Facilitative carriers exist only in luminal membranes, and Na(+)-dependent glutamate cotransporters (excitatory amino acid transporters; EAATs) exist exclusively in abluminal membranes."
The blood-brain barrier and glutamate, Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Sep;90(3):867S-874S.
Apical or abluminal membranes are devoid of glutamate transporters, and the only free passage is where capillaries are fenestrated and "leak".
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance You may be right on the EAATs. I'm not a science major so you'll have to forgive my small amount of knowledge in certain areas. My apologies. What I did find however is that glutamate still gets through in high quantities from a consistent elevated diet heavy with glutamate. Toth, E. & Lajtha, A. (1981) "Elevation of cerebral levels on nonessential amino acids in vivo by administration of large doses" Neurochem Res 6:1309-17.
roninkross 9 months ago
@roninkross
Can't find this paper full text, so I'm having to guess, but by "large doses" usually they are talking about diets containing 20% or more of the amino acid by mass or a huge bolus of fluid. The goal is to overwhelm normal function of the BBB, to model what a very old or sick person would experience.
Also, these are mice and rats, which have a different BBB biochemistry. As nutrient transport models, non-rodents are much more useful.
C0nc0rdance 9 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Ok I'm a little out of my league here. So I will consort with my good friend who is a diverse multi-diciplinary scientist, mostly knowledgeable in micro-biology, before I make an ass out of myself. I do ask you though if you are familiar with peripheral glutamate receptors? Also the parts of the brain that have no barrier from excitotoxins such as the hypothalamus? Not trying to take up your time being rudely insistent, but either you are right or other doctors are outright lying.
roninkross 9 months ago
Anything I eat that is canned/boxed or contains high sodium or MSG causes my eyes to be extremely puffy the next day...horribly. I try to avoid it but even making homemade tomato sauce from canned tomatoes has the same effect. It's really hard to avoid. You can ask the Chinese restaurant to hold the MSG but I found I still had the puffies even without it.
withfootnotes 10 months ago
I've never experienced any physical problems with MSG. However, I have a very sensitive sense of taste, and I find excessive MSG really throws the taste of my food off in a negative way.
SiriusMined 10 months ago
if disodium guanylate is present in a list of ingredients but MSG does not appear to be, it is likely that glutamic acid is provided as part of another ingredient such as a processed soy protein complex. It is often added to foods in conjunction with disodium inosinate;Disodium guanylate is produced from dried fish or dried seaweed and is often added to instant noodles, potato chips and other snacks, savoury rice, tinned vegetables, cured meats, and packaged soup
slowmopoke 10 months ago
It's like everything else. For example: a bottle of beer or an 8 ounce glass of dry red wine with a meal is actually healthy for you, good for your heart and circulation. But a whole case of beer, or a gallon of wine with a meal is bad for you. And, if you happen to be an alcoholic then having none is better for you. Also, if you're allergic to something, then it's best to avoid it, even if it's a natural substance. We need to learn to be less paranoid. Thanks for giving us the truth.
BigFatMan1951 10 months ago
Thanks for this video. Maybe it'll help combat the paranoia a little bit.
I know people who who are allergic/sensitive to dairy, peanuts, seafood, gluten and even strawberries, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some people out there are also especially sensitive to MSG.
On the other hand, I also know a couple of people who claim to be "extremely" sensitive to MSG and yet somehow, magically, seem to have no problems after eating Doritos, seasoned french fries, certain canned soups, etc.
kestaa 10 months ago
"...What do they need deliciousness for anyway, they're babies." Hilarious.
savageecho 10 months ago
4:30 - It's "different from", not "different than".
Samuraionthewall 10 months ago
@Samuraionthewall
I'm glad you pointed that out. C0nc0rdance is a linguistic perfectionist, never mind the thoroughly researched points he makes, if he combines two words incorrectly (in a grammatical sense), the message is lost, and all is for none.
Douche.
Shawnruss 10 months ago
@Shawnruss
LOL. I'm glad to see you are DIFFERENT THAN the typical commenter. I'm guilty of grammar nazi-ism myself sometimes, so I don't mind the criticism. We learn from mistakes.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance ‘Different than’ isn't really a mistake. Actually, pretty much everything popularly considered a ‘mistake’ is probably dialectic, and not a mistake at all. In fact, most things that are considered ‘modern corruptions’ — or some silly thing along those lines — are in fact much older than people tend to think (sometimes even older than the ‘preferred’ usage). I can't post links, but you could take a look at Language Log (blog by actual *linguists*) if you're interested.
sashavboyd 10 months ago
My generally skeptical parents forbid my brother access to MSG for a few years, when they heard somewhere that it could be related to hyperactivity. It actually did seem to help with my brother's behaviour, but I suspect that wasn't a direct result of the ban; rather, my parents felt more in control when our family was in public, and were therefore less inclined to overreact to an outburst. But at any rate, we saved money and ate less processed food, so it was just as well.
ViscariaRose 10 months ago
According to several sources, including Jeffery Steingarten (food editor of Vogue), every restaurant in China has a container of MSG right next to the wok, and it is used freely and all the time. But i'll give you the Cliff notes version: There is NO scientifically reproducible reaction to MSG found in multiple double blind tests, none. In short, Chinese restaurant syndrome does not exist, or is a psychological phenomenon at best, a form of mass hysteria.
cpovey1 10 months ago
Chinese restaurant syndrome is about as accurate as saying vaccines cause autism, which has been totally disproved. Question: If MSG is so bad, why aren't billions of Chinese dying from it or having terrible headaches?
cpovey1 10 months ago
@cpovey1 Could be any number of things. Although I would guess that while western Chinese food is full of MSG perhaps more traditional Chinese is not.
shraka 10 months ago
parmesan!
mephistophile33 10 months ago
@mephistophile33
Please, say "parmigiano" instead of "parmesan".
DiogeneshoKunikos 10 months ago
Nice video. Aspartame is also dangerous for people with PKU, right? Is that going to be in the video about artificial sweeteners?
MetaKlonoa 10 months ago
Now I'm hungry for Chinese food :P
lordcheetah 10 months ago
I avoid MSG and highly processed food , because I really prefer my flavour to come from the ingredients and not from a chemical factory.
Also my digestive system reacts, uhm, rapidly. And it really wasn't because I was "against it". I started noticing that I'd come down with diarreah every time after we went to our favourite Chinese restaurant. I found one that uses less MSG and I'm fine with their food. It's OK once in a while, I worry more about the bazillion of calories
giliellthesecond 10 months ago
@giliellthesecond
Actually, the source of most crystalline MSG is either yeast or soy. I don't think it would be cost effective to make it from hydrocarbons when it's found in every living thing on Earth, even human breast milk.
Most people get their Chinese MSG (free glutamate) from natural sources like oyster sauce, soy sauce, and in other cuisines from various sauces. Remember that glutamate is one of the 20 amino acids that make up proteins. Without it, you can't make any new proteins.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago 3
@C0nc0rdance I realize that it's not some "bad artificial invention by big whatever", but I've come to recognize it as a kind of label for "low quality food". I really enjoy food, cooking and eating, and when something I need 4 things to make has an ingredients list of half a mile, it's not going t end up in my larder.
A lot of people nowadays don't know how the food actually tastes, they only know the artificial chemical mix they've been trained to eat since their first vanillin-formula bottle
giliellthesecond 10 months ago
@giliellthesecond
I wouldn't argue with you, giliel. People are free to choose, and MSG isn't especially "good" for you either. I just wanted to address the fear and paranoia.
I've been a hobby gardener for a few years now, and there really is no substitute for veggies you pull out of your own dirt.
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Chemists are always trying to make the argument that chemicals are chemicals regardless of whether made naturally or synthetically. Thats complete hogwash, and been proven to the contrary. We do not understand exactly how the human body works, but I wholeheartedly believe that natural MSG will not be nearly as bad as artificially produced MSG, or other chemicals for that matter.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 So you'll happily disregard the actual science of the matter, because it contradicts your own subjective view of the world?
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Exactly what science are you talking about? You are so brainwashed. The FDA exists to protect the profits of drug companies, pure and simple. In fact they are directly PAID BY drug companies. (Usage fees) If that is the group of scientists you are referring to, I will definately lean toward my lowley subjective view of the world. You are so misguided and brainwashed. And Im sure youll say you are educated.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@SUPERSILVER7771 I knew you'd eventually accuse me of being "brainwashed." That's a favorite among conspiracy theorists. If you don't immediately ascribe to their asinine hypotheses, you're either "brainwashed" or actively working for (insert one of the above: the Pharmaceutical Industry, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, the International Jew, all of the above) Paranoid accusations are a great way to try to shut someone down, but are a poor arguing tool.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 I wouldnt agree with your assesment in the least. I am very scientifically minded, but to discount anything that has not been approved by the FDA, study, or other is very narrow. I certainly dont think you work for pharm or illuminutty, but I think your perspective is very narrow. If my father had followed the allopathic dogma, and done just chemo and radiation, he would have been dead a year ago at the latest, and poss. 2 years ago. I dont need science to tell me that natural cures work.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
@yerk3 When you don't open your mind to possibilities outside of what is provable by the scientific method, I think that is a very narrow view. Honestly, about 5 years ago, I would have been arguing as you are. I was on many script drugs, in poor condition, when I found a naturopathic doctor, who advised me to get off all meds and got me on suppliments and the like. Much much more healthy now, (against the wishes of my Dr.) and theres no turning back, once pandoras box is open, u cant shut it.
SUPERSILVER7771 8 months ago
Awww, that last warning was the only incorrect thing in this video. Real friends aren't nice to each other, real friends mess with each other constantly~!
di739 10 months ago
I'm very interested to hear your take on parabens
ghostofdayinperson 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
truthinlabeling(dot)org/manufac(dot)html
Interesting read, maybe... maybe not. Stop generalizing in these public relations, shill. Actually expect out of 2 billion agents here, that there will be someone watching, that doesn't play simple.
1A2B3C4D5E6F7G8H9IJZ 10 months ago
A very interesting video - I actually didn't know that MSG was a naturally occurring substance, I did know that it's toxicity required high doses, which is why I've never sweated eating a pack of Mr. Noddles once or twice a year.
I'd actually never heard of 'Chinese Restaurant Syndrome', but most places out here usually seem to proudly proclaim that they use no MSG.
I think like most things, that I'd prefer to have it 'from the source' rather than as an additive. *shrugs* Mushroom goodness.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
please make a video about splenda or any major artificial sweeteners I'm very curious about them, great video's definitely subscribed =)
xMarchx31stx 10 months ago
Headache? Hell no... I always get a buzz after I eat some good Italian food or Asian. I'm glad to know that there's a quantifiable reason why my family spaghetti sauce tastes so awesome. No wonder it goes back 6 generations.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 10 months ago
anything man-tampered with concerns me. i don't feel anyone alive has a firm enough grasp on long term effects of any of our "creations" to safely unleash them on the masses. there is no telling whether aspartame (barring any short term effects) will in 2 generations completely sterilize the human race and we all die out. granted that that is an exaggeration but my point still holds true. This can be the result of any number of experimental consumables currently available or in the future.
ilshockll 10 months ago
@ilshockll
I think the problem with the 'man tampered' argument is that it seems as if there are mad German scientists playing in their labs and creating the most evil of substances. The reality is that with every food additive, they have to be checked to ensure they are safe for consumption by the general public. Science which is portrayed in the media, messing with nature and other various evil things and then unleashing it on the public untested is wrong.
:)
sooperkula 10 months ago
Haha, I see what you did there with those 0s in your PR0s and C0Ns list!
StarGladiator 10 months ago
Great Video CC!!!
gouranga2007 10 months ago
Great video!
welwitschia 10 months ago
If there is a concern about MSG disrupting the developing brain, are there any studies from the Asian world that leads you to this conclusion?
Or is this an attempt for you to have it both ways?
JakobAmbrose 10 months ago
The initial premise of your hypothetical was so unlikely that I couldn't take the video seriously; I never have a night out with my friends.
unimportantpersonxx 10 months ago
My body has a problem with Aspartame, when I stop my intake of it, my problems stop. My consumption was about four liters of soft drinks per day.
dkleitsch 10 months ago
@dkleitsch
Somehow, I think taking in that much caffeine, a potent diuretic, caused a few more problems than aspartame... Though taking in that much aspartame probably isn't a good idea either. Or that much anything. Good on you for stopping.
TomatoBreadOrgasm 10 months ago
@TomatoBreadOrgasm
I only drink caffeine-free soda. Previously I got headaches, after a yeast free diet they went away (or discontinuing Aspertame). Now Aspertane is causing some skin eruptions, they cease when the Aspartame is ceased.
dkleitsch 10 months ago
@dkleitsch
Odd. I hope you've talked to a doctor about that, as that's not a typical reaction. How can you be sure it's the aspartame? It's always a good idea to talk to a physician (heck, see if a friend knows a dermatologist) rather than assuming you know what the problem is. I also used to drink a lot of diet soda and made the decision to cut it out of my diet almost entirely, so I think you made a good decision nonetheless.
TomatoBreadOrgasm 10 months ago
@TomatoBreadOrgasm
Simple process of elimination showed the problem to be aspartame. I switched from soda to a fruit-flavored drink mix (with aspartame) and the problem persisted. When I stop consuming aspartame, the problem goes away. My doctor looked at the problem and said it was nothing to worry about, just a nuisance, cosmetic. I suspect the fruit-flavored drink mix has even more aspartame than soda, based on symptoms.
dkleitsch 10 months ago
MSG, aspartame, fructose, sugar, man made radiation, chemtrails and more, make this a wonderful world. Most children don't get enough Vitamin C. The recommended daily dose is 70 mg but a sensible dose is 1000-2000 mg.
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ronaldcolemanus 10 months ago
You won't find it in finer Chinese restaurants where they actually know how to cook.
TheDano1947 10 months ago
You won't find it in finer Chinese restaurants where they actually know how to cook.
TheDano1947 10 months ago
I think the chinese food syndrome is mostly due to the actual ingredients..
Chinese food uses lots of oil and everything is generally fried or 'stir fried'.
Second, chinese food generally has tons of sodium and that can affect people as well. My moms legs and feet always get swollen shortly after eating food like that.
Third, you tend to eat large portions with chinese food, and you commonly have all you can eat buffets.
All these things combined probably contribute to the "syndrome".
kekejojo1212 10 months ago
I love MSG. My mom has a whole can of it at her house and I like to lick it off of my finger.
MonsterEnergyMan 10 months ago
One thing that this does not take into account is the reaction between msg and anything else we eat with it. I feel terrible when I have hfcs and msg. I don't feel as bad with one or the other.
The study asking people if they feel a difference between the placebo and the msg isn't very reliable to me because we don't know how the people were picked. I can tell a difference when I eat msg and when I don't because I avoid it. When I don't avoid it I get used to the feeling and it doesn't bother me
ChanceIt50 10 months ago
Thank you for the great video, as always.
persianwhite 10 months ago
MSG is added to almost every food commercially made now if I'm not mistaken. I noticed a while back that every time I ate at my local Chinese restaurant that soon after I developed a bad head ache and minor mood swings of aggression. Didn't link the two together recently. Of course I had Chinese again today lol. I really appreciate this video! I think I very well may be one of those people who are affected by MSG.
PeaceRocker01 10 months ago
I don't have a problem with MSG. It's makes food delicious! However, I would make a slight correction to your "dose makes poison". I would say (along with Ashford and Miller 1998) that dose PLUS the host make the poison: Some people may be hypersensitive or susceptible (e.g. people who already have elevated levels of glutamate in their bodies, or people who are sensitive to glutamate for some weird reason). But for the "average" person, my guess is that MSG is fine. My non-expert opinion.
OccasionallyBearded 10 months ago
@OccasionallyBearded I have a neighbor that's allergic to it; supposedly it gives her migraines.
GodofVengence 10 months ago
good job :^)
jcn35 10 months ago
"No Clinical Data" nuff said
MrNavvy69 10 months ago
Wow. I came here because Thunderf00t favorited it. You should have stopped with "No clinical data supporting toxicity of adverse effects." (and perhaps note that there is ample clinical data). This is prototypical bad science, and I'm confused as to why Thunderf00t would favorite this. You might as well have said vaccinations cause autism.
moosepopper 10 months ago
@moosepopper "You should have stopped with "No clinical data supporting toxicity of adverse effects." [ . . . ] This is prototypical bad science"
It's a recognition that the world isn't completely black and white. The only thing he ended up saying was "If you want to air on the side of caution, watch for low-MSG foods for your child", which is not necessarily the same as saying vaccines cause autism.
Cyrathil 10 months ago
@Cyrathil Right... if you want to ERR (note ERR) on the side of caution, don't vaccinate your children. It's the same type of garbage.
moosepopper 10 months ago
@moosepopper "It's the same type of garbage."
Except that it isn't. We know, as well as we can, that autism isn't caused by vaccinations, and we've specifically looked into children. We know that the concerns that are plausible from vaccinations are very rare, and not necessarily life-threatening. We know that vaccinations are a fairly important part of a communities medical health, even if they do cause problems. This last one is an important difference.
Cyrathil 10 months ago
@Cyrathil Ok so I'll take a less sarcastic tone. You're right on that last point.
I'm actually doing pubmed searches now with regards MSG and neonates. There are several allusions in a '99 study to trials that have been conducted that assure safety in neonates, but I cannot find them (still looking). As for the more recent concern, all I see are new trials conducted in rats with ridiculously high doses, and I hope we can all agree that is massively uninteresting (and already well-known).
moosepopper 10 months ago
@moosepopper I can agree. I'm not saying that MSG concerns are well-founded. I'll certainly not be expending the effort to avoid MSG, since I don't plan on binging on amounts that would be able to register as harmful. I'm just saying it's not necessarily bad to say that, if you're worried for whatever reason, avoid this food additive. I'd be the first to say it's probably not necessary, but people have, and continue to do, worse things.
Cyrathil 10 months ago
@moosepopper You could have just assumed "at normal doses" was included in that quote, as he stated that clearly before the text popped up.
alabamamanable 10 months ago
@alabamamanable Duh? You know water at high enough doses is toxic :) Both arguments are just as flaccid.
moosepopper 10 months ago
@moosepopper I suppose I simply didn't understand the nature of your indictment. Did he misuse some research or something? Or was it a language issue?
alabamamanable 10 months ago
9:04 "why do they need deliciousness for anyways they're babies"
Evil atheist eat babies that why duh :D
LogicalThinker667 10 months ago
Don't live in fear people. Too much of anything is bad for you.
sfm073 10 months ago