Just because you dont understand the artistic value and merit of musical exploration, invention, creativity and individualism does not mean modernism is "decadent".
Forget Stravinsky is a famous name, just listen to it. This composition is ridiculous; it is not pretty, it isn’t touching, it means nothing. It’s better than Schoenberg? Yes but it is not good. Listen now to Brahms clarinet quintet, and you’ll see what real music is.
@Rickriquinho In your shitty opinion. Which we don't need. Some of us can manage to like Brahms, Schoenberg and Stravinsky. Who gives a toss what you think?
@MjoEm32 You really need two things: first, be more respectful, and second to analyze pieces stylistically, aesthetically and metaphysically and not just accept something only because it exists. Modernism is decadence, one day everybody will know it. Art is neither a mental attitude like this ridiculous Stravinsky nor just emotions like second class composers.
@Rickriquinho Well, here's a guy who is not a fan of--and who maybe wouldn't even understand the aesthetic appeal of absurdism. "Ridiculous" does _not_ equal "not pretty" and it especially does not equal "not aesthetically attractive", "not emotionally resonant", etc.
Also, analyze pieces metaphysically? I'm skeptical that you'd be able to define "metaphysics" without looking it up, and I'm skeptical if you looked it up that you wouldn't wind up reporting a new age definition or some such.
@KingRundzap Don’t be ridiculous; go listen to pop music because it is the only kind of music you probably understand. I scare you with the word “metaphysics”? Don’t be, I’ll explain to you in a way you could understand… to analyze something metaphysically is to examine things per se disregarding historical or social aspects.
@Rickriquinho I see that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You're far more skilled at being patronizing in a way that puts your foot in your mouth. Not unexpected.
@Rickriquinho Tell you what this piece has. It has fun. It has humor, fun, and whimsy. If "pretty" is your only determiner for good music, you will cut yourself off from much beauty.
Personally I find Brahms bloated and opulent. Ridiculous is right. Your implication that this is a negative quality is not.
@RandomTask3000 The modernist ideology corrupted your taste... Art is transfiguration of feelings; it’s not a mental attitude. What you’ve said about Brahms deserves no comments… Not even the most ridiculous and dull modernist critic ever said such a thing.
@Rickriquinho I don't care if no critics ever said it. I'm saying it. I might be the only person in the world who thinks that, but I'm still allowed to.
Maybe my tastes reflect a certain lens. But the "art is experience" perspective is just another lens. Believe me, there's a lot of modern music which I think is utter baloney. But Stravinsky is not (inherently so).
That said, humor is still an emotion! And I find this piece humorous. There's an emotion.
@Rickriquinho Not to mention that, as far as modern music goes, this is pretty darn consonant. There are dissonances, but they are exciting. And the rhythmic structure is completely familiar. So if your argument is that we're tricking ourselves into liking this, you need to wake up and realize that not everyone need necessarily enjoy the same things.
@Rickriquinho If music is neither ideas nor simply emotions but (I presume) something which lies neatly between the two in a perfect compromise, all you're really saying is that you are somehow gifted with the authority to tell us when we're listening to good music and not merely something which lies too close to one end of the above spectrum. Sure, you can never know whether people are actually enjoying something or whether they're delusional, but THAT is the point. You can't know
@Rickriquinho It is inconceivable that I know nothing about art. Because I grew up among other human beings.
So I'm a relativist. Wait a minute, does that mean that this whole time your argument has been that Stravinsky's music is bad... OBJECTIVELY? As in, it's bad from all angles and people who think they enjoy it are simply incorrect? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
All this time I thought I was having a meaningful artistic discussion. Is my face red!
@RandomTask3000 Your sociological approach is ridiculous… Just to live among other human beings means nothing; people must have culture, without what their opinion has no value. Yes, objectively Stravinsky’s compositions have no significance because they can’t stand stylistic comparison with other ones.
@Rickriquinho Well, I suppose I could have mentioned that I've been studying music composition in various academic institutions going on 5 years, but then you'd just say that I've been corrupted by academia.
There is no sentient social being without culture. Culture is not something one acquires on a tour of Europe by steamship, nor is it a means for (vainly) attempting to form an objective basis for musical criticism.
@Rickriquinho Any sense of good or bad music varies by culture (i.e. the highly sophisticated music of Bali would be out of tune by our arbitrary tempered system) and therefore is necessarily subjective. Mozart was, in his day, considered by many to be pretentiously dissonant, with his use of tritones in resolving from 5 to 1.
Your view of a world in which there is any measurable standard for what is good or bad in art is profoundly false. Any standard is necessarily societal.
@RandomTask3000 Sociological and relativistic bla bla bla. You must learn to analyze things per se. The music of Bali is sophisticated? Is this a joke? Folklore is not art, man! Please…
@Rickriquinho Ethnocentric and objectivist bla bla bla.
When you say, "per se" all you mean is "I know what good art is and if you disagree with me you're wrong."
I don't know what kind of Rudyard Kipling bullshit you're trying to spout by saying "Folklore is not art" but the Gamelan music of Bali is the CLASSICAL tradition indigenous to that culture. If you think they're just a bunch of "natives" bashing away then you're not listening. You may not like it, but it's sophisticated
@RandomTask3000 It’s the opposite, you have no proves but insist that “the music of the people is good just because it’s innate.” I’ll not discuss with you anymore because your analyses are naïve and you can’t accept metaphysics. I will say again: the difference between you and me is that I am questioning the reality and you just accept it.
Never heard this before and while I do hear little touches of ragtime rhythm, I still vastly prefer real ragtime and also "The Firebird", "The Rite of Spring", and "Petrushka".
Excellent, does someone know the name of the conductor and the orchestra?
AndrasKeri 3 months ago
@AndrasKeri This is the Malaysian Philharmonic Youth Orchestra chamber players conducted by Kevin Field.
jebatarjunakee 3 months ago
@jebatarjunakee Thanks for the information.
AndrasKeri 3 months ago
Just because you dont understand the artistic value and merit of musical exploration, invention, creativity and individualism does not mean modernism is "decadent".
Love the piece! Cubist rag is right! :)
foodiste 3 months ago
Forget Stravinsky is a famous name, just listen to it. This composition is ridiculous; it is not pretty, it isn’t touching, it means nothing. It’s better than Schoenberg? Yes but it is not good. Listen now to Brahms clarinet quintet, and you’ll see what real music is.
Rickriquinho 4 months ago
@Rickriquinho In your shitty opinion. Which we don't need. Some of us can manage to like Brahms, Schoenberg and Stravinsky. Who gives a toss what you think?
MjoEm32 4 months ago 2
@MjoEm32 You really need two things: first, be more respectful, and second to analyze pieces stylistically, aesthetically and metaphysically and not just accept something only because it exists. Modernism is decadence, one day everybody will know it. Art is neither a mental attitude like this ridiculous Stravinsky nor just emotions like second class composers.
Rickriquinho 4 months ago
@Rickriquinho Well, here's a guy who is not a fan of--and who maybe wouldn't even understand the aesthetic appeal of absurdism. "Ridiculous" does _not_ equal "not pretty" and it especially does not equal "not aesthetically attractive", "not emotionally resonant", etc.
Also, analyze pieces metaphysically? I'm skeptical that you'd be able to define "metaphysics" without looking it up, and I'm skeptical if you looked it up that you wouldn't wind up reporting a new age definition or some such.
KingRundzap 2 months ago
@KingRundzap Don’t be ridiculous; go listen to pop music because it is the only kind of music you probably understand. I scare you with the word “metaphysics”? Don’t be, I’ll explain to you in a way you could understand… to analyze something metaphysically is to examine things per se disregarding historical or social aspects.
Rickriquinho 2 months ago
@Rickriquinho I see that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You're far more skilled at being patronizing in a way that puts your foot in your mouth. Not unexpected.
KingRundzap 2 months ago
@KingRundzap I am here to discuss art. Please don’t waste my time insulting me because I don’t care about it.
Rickriquinho 2 months ago
@Rickriquinho Tell you what this piece has. It has fun. It has humor, fun, and whimsy. If "pretty" is your only determiner for good music, you will cut yourself off from much beauty.
Personally I find Brahms bloated and opulent. Ridiculous is right. Your implication that this is a negative quality is not.
RandomTask3000 3 weeks ago
@RandomTask3000 The modernist ideology corrupted your taste... Art is transfiguration of feelings; it’s not a mental attitude. What you’ve said about Brahms deserves no comments… Not even the most ridiculous and dull modernist critic ever said such a thing.
Rickriquinho 3 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho I don't care if no critics ever said it. I'm saying it. I might be the only person in the world who thinks that, but I'm still allowed to.
Maybe my tastes reflect a certain lens. But the "art is experience" perspective is just another lens. Believe me, there's a lot of modern music which I think is utter baloney. But Stravinsky is not (inherently so).
That said, humor is still an emotion! And I find this piece humorous. There's an emotion.
RandomTask3000 3 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho Not to mention that, as far as modern music goes, this is pretty darn consonant. There are dissonances, but they are exciting. And the rhythmic structure is completely familiar. So if your argument is that we're tricking ourselves into liking this, you need to wake up and realize that not everyone need necessarily enjoy the same things.
RandomTask3000 3 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho If music is neither ideas nor simply emotions but (I presume) something which lies neatly between the two in a perfect compromise, all you're really saying is that you are somehow gifted with the authority to tell us when we're listening to good music and not merely something which lies too close to one end of the above spectrum. Sure, you can never know whether people are actually enjoying something or whether they're delusional, but THAT is the point. You can't know
RandomTask3000 3 weeks ago
@RandomTask3000 You don’t anything about art, man. You are being relativist. Don’t waste my time…
Rickriquinho 3 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho It is inconceivable that I know nothing about art. Because I grew up among other human beings.
So I'm a relativist. Wait a minute, does that mean that this whole time your argument has been that Stravinsky's music is bad... OBJECTIVELY? As in, it's bad from all angles and people who think they enjoy it are simply incorrect? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
All this time I thought I was having a meaningful artistic discussion. Is my face red!
RandomTask3000 2 weeks ago
@RandomTask3000 Your sociological approach is ridiculous… Just to live among other human beings means nothing; people must have culture, without what their opinion has no value. Yes, objectively Stravinsky’s compositions have no significance because they can’t stand stylistic comparison with other ones.
Rickriquinho 2 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho Well, I suppose I could have mentioned that I've been studying music composition in various academic institutions going on 5 years, but then you'd just say that I've been corrupted by academia.
There is no sentient social being without culture. Culture is not something one acquires on a tour of Europe by steamship, nor is it a means for (vainly) attempting to form an objective basis for musical criticism.
RandomTask3000 2 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho Any sense of good or bad music varies by culture (i.e. the highly sophisticated music of Bali would be out of tune by our arbitrary tempered system) and therefore is necessarily subjective. Mozart was, in his day, considered by many to be pretentiously dissonant, with his use of tritones in resolving from 5 to 1.
Your view of a world in which there is any measurable standard for what is good or bad in art is profoundly false. Any standard is necessarily societal.
RandomTask3000 2 weeks ago
@RandomTask3000 Sociological and relativistic bla bla bla. You must learn to analyze things per se. The music of Bali is sophisticated? Is this a joke? Folklore is not art, man! Please…
Rickriquinho 2 weeks ago
@Rickriquinho Ethnocentric and objectivist bla bla bla.
When you say, "per se" all you mean is "I know what good art is and if you disagree with me you're wrong."
I don't know what kind of Rudyard Kipling bullshit you're trying to spout by saying "Folklore is not art" but the Gamelan music of Bali is the CLASSICAL tradition indigenous to that culture. If you think they're just a bunch of "natives" bashing away then you're not listening. You may not like it, but it's sophisticated
RandomTask3000 2 weeks ago
@RandomTask3000 It’s the opposite, you have no proves but insist that “the music of the people is good just because it’s innate.” I’ll not discuss with you anymore because your analyses are naïve and you can’t accept metaphysics. I will say again: the difference between you and me is that I am questioning the reality and you just accept it.
Rickriquinho 2 weeks ago
Marvelous sound and subtle dynamic !
Hello to Malaysia, from Belgium
guadalajara4848 5 months ago
Such a wonderful Cubist rag!
Northside777 6 months ago
Óia ai o Neymar antes de joga bola! 1:26
MarkusBHZ 7 months ago
Never heard this before and while I do hear little touches of ragtime rhythm, I still vastly prefer real ragtime and also "The Firebird", "The Rite of Spring", and "Petrushka".
verdew8181 7 months ago
Great performance! Thanks for posting this high quality video!
TheDavid2222 10 months ago
amazing performance! i so want to play it ! bravo !!!
nanaflute4ever 10 months ago
Tight interpretation. Well done!
maxcohen13 1 year ago
A usual Stravinsky score - rhythmic complexity and unexpected color - precisely executed. Let's give the conductor his just due.
MrAkihiros 1 year ago
Absolutely brilliant performance! Music full of jutting elbows, strutting steps and wild but subtle hesitancy.
fremsley001 2 years ago 5
Good performance. The score may be very complicated to perform.
EMURANATSUKI 2 years ago
Stravinski was certainly influenced by Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag
illidnarg 2 years ago
What an impressive youth orchestra - and an excellent video.
PSearPianist 2 years ago
interesting.
MoniqueM11 2 years ago