Comment in 4 parts as not enough room in one “bite” .Whether we are Christians or not, Americans or not, outside of the parts of the world where poverty creates all types of slavery, whether children to the fields for survival, women to men in many cultures, we are kidding ourselves
Comment 2:We exist in different forms of slavery, right now we will all be slaves to the overseers of the banking and financial debacle which was greed and selfishness, then we will be slaves to a world where commodities will be in short supply because of our greed for a new iPhone etc and them of course we will be suffer from global warming because of our selfishness in not insulating our homes driving smaller cars etc etc.
Comment 3: Whether Christian Jew or Muslim we have been slaves to greed and selfishness, Maybe, just maybe we might see the light in time and start to change our ways.........however I doubt it, despite the fact that its a theme taught by all the world’s major religion at some point. Freedom comes with responsibility, we all want the former but are not really prepared to take on the latter.
Comment4: Make a start by occasionally walking instead of taking the car, turn down the heating or air con and think good of the neighbour you don't really like - Maybe I should try that as well. Oh and lets not slag each other off on this page, surely respect and listening to each other has something to do with freedom....
Rights of: “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” are universal to all life from bacteria to humans; Life has the freedom in the pursuit of survival. Survival is a metaphor of Happiness fulfilling objectives of living, with the desire of procreation; life with a brain maintains an addition level of perceived objectives in the pursuit of Happiness. Therefore, these rights were here before humans and are indeed part of the Laws of Nature, transcending any human defined rights.
As in Newton's laws of motion being part of Nature's Laws, our Declaration of Independence brought forth, Jefferson's law of Rights. It can be scientifically demonstrated that these Rights are indeed part of Nature's Laws and therefore, transcends any manmade rights. Jefferson's law of Rights applies to both living and social systems. I submit that if any of these Rights were to be denied, death to the system is inevitable.
Our Cherished Constitution & our Liberty & Freedoms come from Divine Source.
America Founded as Christian Republic, our Founding Documents BASED on Christian Faith & Culture.
MAIN & KEY reasons why American Republic and its Constitution for "Which It Stands" under God "Christian God of Trinity" is falling apart, is that AntiChristian Zionists, Marxists, Pagan Anarchists have very skillfully taken apart & subverted our Republic, Its Constitution, our "Christian" Founding, Heritage, History.
@ cc2009dotus,America is NOT a Christian republic.Saying such things like that can be considered anti-American,because it contradicts the constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"-First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
This verse refers to the ethical treatment of slaves, not to the ethical question of owning them at all. The bible, in fact, is silent on the latter question and you can't make an argument on silence.
You CAN, however, argue from history that Christian ideals from the mouth of Jesus helped bring an end to slavery in both Europe and the United States.
Slavery is a product of the fall of man and has existed in the world since that time. Slavery was not a part of God's original created order, and as God's created order has gradually been re-established since the time of Christ, slavery has gradually been eliminated. Christian nations (those based upon Biblical principles) have led the way in the abolition of slavery.
It needs to be noted that the Exodus verses are for the Jews who, would later be the people of Israel, which YHWH chose to have destroyed. These verses have no relevance to living the Christian life. A good understanding of slavery can be found by the Holy Spirit of God in Christ Jesus within the letter to Philemon. Love God and love your neighbor, including your enemy with His life and love -1 Cor. 13.
Think you should rethink what you just said. Many christians look upon the exodus of the jews as one of the fundamental old testament narratives that prefigure the redemption wrought by Christ.
In fact it has been considered in that light since the early Christians.
Your clear articulation of that "doctrine" makes it sound like you're a cultist, denying the relevance of the old testament in the Bible.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
John Adams wrote: "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature...It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven... it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses"
But John Locke, one of the great proponents of this theory epistemology, also makes it clear in his Essay on government that Natural Law was established and maintained by God.
John Locke may have influenced American Government as much as anyone. His ideas were certainly not foreign to the founding fathers.
Locke, after all, believed that natural law was knowable by merely reason and the senses, so I think you may be setting up a false dichotomy.
Historian George Bancroft called John Calvin "the father of America," and added, "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."
Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men.
hmm...the founding fathers, particularly the people preceding them--the PURITANS, would have been appalled that people would dismiss "the Dark Ages" as un-dark. Of course their ideals of freedom were Biblically founded, but they saw the Catholic Church as one of the biggest obstacles to the promulgation of true Christianity and therefore freedom... The American Revolution was not an extension of the Enlightenment nor of the Middle Ages. It was an extension of the Protestant Reformation.
The American Revolution had nothing to do with religion. They were already free to worship as they pleased. It was about the Colonies being able to print their own debt free money vs. paying taxes and interest on debt money created by the English crown.
It was the debt free Colonial scrip money that allowed the Colonies to prosper. When the King decided their free ride was over - the Colonies decided the Kings reign was over.
Comment in 4 parts as not enough room in one “bite” .Whether we are Christians or not, Americans or not, outside of the parts of the world where poverty creates all types of slavery, whether children to the fields for survival, women to men in many cultures, we are kidding ourselves
markcomptube 4 months ago
Comment 2:We exist in different forms of slavery, right now we will all be slaves to the overseers of the banking and financial debacle which was greed and selfishness, then we will be slaves to a world where commodities will be in short supply because of our greed for a new iPhone etc and them of course we will be suffer from global warming because of our selfishness in not insulating our homes driving smaller cars etc etc.
markcomptube 4 months ago
Comment 3: Whether Christian Jew or Muslim we have been slaves to greed and selfishness, Maybe, just maybe we might see the light in time and start to change our ways.........however I doubt it, despite the fact that its a theme taught by all the world’s major religion at some point. Freedom comes with responsibility, we all want the former but are not really prepared to take on the latter.
markcomptube 4 months ago
Comment4: Make a start by occasionally walking instead of taking the car, turn down the heating or air con and think good of the neighbour you don't really like - Maybe I should try that as well. Oh and lets not slag each other off on this page, surely respect and listening to each other has something to do with freedom....
markcomptube 4 months ago
lol, what a ridiculous bunch of religious propaganda. Who buys into this trash?
Aliothemage 1 year ago
Rights of: “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” are universal to all life from bacteria to humans; Life has the freedom in the pursuit of survival. Survival is a metaphor of Happiness fulfilling objectives of living, with the desire of procreation; life with a brain maintains an addition level of perceived objectives in the pursuit of Happiness. Therefore, these rights were here before humans and are indeed part of the Laws of Nature, transcending any human defined rights.
Mike10four 1 year ago
As in Newton's laws of motion being part of Nature's Laws, our Declaration of Independence brought forth, Jefferson's law of Rights. It can be scientifically demonstrated that these Rights are indeed part of Nature's Laws and therefore, transcends any manmade rights. Jefferson's law of Rights applies to both living and social systems. I submit that if any of these Rights were to be denied, death to the system is inevitable.
Mike10four 1 year ago
Hell yeah, freedom!
Andrew Breitbart's blogs are leading the charge too. Anybody here a regular over at Biggovernment or Founding Bloggers?
Great stuff.
CarcharodonMeg 1 year ago
Our Cherished Constitution & our Liberty & Freedoms come from Divine Source.
America Founded as Christian Republic, our Founding Documents BASED on Christian Faith & Culture.
MAIN & KEY reasons why American Republic and its Constitution for "Which It Stands" under God "Christian God of Trinity" is falling apart, is that AntiChristian Zionists, Marxists, Pagan Anarchists have very skillfully taken apart & subverted our Republic, Its Constitution, our "Christian" Founding, Heritage, History.
cc2009dotus 2 years ago
This movie is obviously Christian propaganda.The United States of America is NOT a Judeo-Christian Nation.
Radian1991 2 years ago
Your 100% Right, I Totally Agree!
America is NOT a Judeo-Christian Nation!!
Firstly, there NEVER WAS and IS NOT any "Judo" in America!
America is a Christian REPUBLIC!
It was Founded as a Christian Republic, it is a Christian Republic, and always will be a Christian Republic!
Constitutional Congress 2009
Time to RENEW our Christian Republic.
cc2009dotus 2 years ago
@ cc2009dotus,America is NOT a Christian republic.Saying such things like that can be considered anti-American,because it contradicts the constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"-First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Radian1991 2 years ago
Radian1991 - Marxist AntiChristian AntiAmerican Propaganda & Lies!
Its obvious your an AntiChristian & AntiAmerican zealot, troll, opertive hanging out here to ambush and harass those who are drwn to this TRUTH.
Keep your Marxist wee wee to yourself, and go play with the children and idiots that are fodder and putty for the likes of your.
Dont play your nasty dirty games with the MEN and True American Patriots, less you want to be spanked and sent to your room, you bad bad little troll!
cc2009dotus 2 years ago
@ cc2009dotus,The founding fathers of the United states had a deistic,not a Christian,view of God.
How am I lying?"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"-First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
You are in self denial,you need to get out of that fantasy dream world of yours.
"I have been given the denominated as a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian."-Ethan Allen
Radian1991 2 years ago
2nd Amendment!
Without 2nd, THERE ARE NO OTHERS!
Praise The LORD
and Pass The Ammunition!
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago
just saw this on EWTN-the world over live.......It's time to wake up and get back to our American Roots-Freedom Baby!
maraljan 2 years ago
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
chrstphrm 3 years ago
This verse refers to the ethical treatment of slaves, not to the ethical question of owning them at all. The bible, in fact, is silent on the latter question and you can't make an argument on silence.
You CAN, however, argue from history that Christian ideals from the mouth of Jesus helped bring an end to slavery in both Europe and the United States.
Which is the stronger argumen?
brianjwalton 3 years ago 10
Slavery is a product of the fall of man and has existed in the world since that time. Slavery was not a part of God's original created order, and as God's created order has gradually been re-established since the time of Christ, slavery has gradually been eliminated. Christian nations (those based upon Biblical principles) have led the way in the abolition of slavery.
IIXboxSucksII 3 years ago
It needs to be noted that the Exodus verses are for the Jews who, would later be the people of Israel, which YHWH chose to have destroyed. These verses have no relevance to living the Christian life. A good understanding of slavery can be found by the Holy Spirit of God in Christ Jesus within the letter to Philemon. Love God and love your neighbor, including your enemy with His life and love -1 Cor. 13.
chrstsm 1 year ago
Think you should rethink what you just said. Many christians look upon the exodus of the jews as one of the fundamental old testament narratives that prefigure the redemption wrought by Christ.
In fact it has been considered in that light since the early Christians.
Your clear articulation of that "doctrine" makes it sound like you're a cultist, denying the relevance of the old testament in the Bible.
Portubed 1 year ago
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
chrstphrm 3 years ago
John Adams wrote: "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature...It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven... it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses"
chrstphrm 3 years ago
But John Locke, one of the great proponents of this theory epistemology, also makes it clear in his Essay on government that Natural Law was established and maintained by God.
John Locke may have influenced American Government as much as anyone. His ideas were certainly not foreign to the founding fathers.
Locke, after all, believed that natural law was knowable by merely reason and the senses, so I think you may be setting up a false dichotomy.
brianjwalton 3 years ago
Locke was the father of the Constitution as much as any man.
ConservativeAnthem 2 years ago
Historian George Bancroft called John Calvin "the father of America," and added, "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."
iheartmichelangelo 3 years ago 3
Benjamin Rush, Signer from Pennsylvania, stated:
Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men.
IIXboxSucksII 3 years ago 6
IIXboxSucksII, here here!
cc2009dotus 2 years ago
hmm...the founding fathers, particularly the people preceding them--the PURITANS, would have been appalled that people would dismiss "the Dark Ages" as un-dark. Of course their ideals of freedom were Biblically founded, but they saw the Catholic Church as one of the biggest obstacles to the promulgation of true Christianity and therefore freedom... The American Revolution was not an extension of the Enlightenment nor of the Middle Ages. It was an extension of the Protestant Reformation.
iheartmichelangelo 3 years ago
The American Revolution had nothing to do with religion. They were already free to worship as they pleased. It was about the Colonies being able to print their own debt free money vs. paying taxes and interest on debt money created by the English crown.
It was the debt free Colonial scrip money that allowed the Colonies to prosper. When the King decided their free ride was over - the Colonies decided the Kings reign was over.
jbryant13 3 years ago
False. The English wanted the Anglican Church to be America's church, as well.
ConservativeAnthem 2 years ago
is this a joke?
dust4ngel 3 years ago
Can't wait.
MarkGauvreau 3 years ago
O Baby! Yeah! Bring it!
jakedevon 3 years ago
Christian Europe, what happened?
MartyBarret 3 years ago
The "Enlightenment" happened
jbryant13 3 years ago