Interesting opinions pal. But why is it homosexual's are called gay. When gay meant happy? I am gay but not freaking homo disgusting sexual. The rectum is meant for defecating and assisting with stability. It is illogical for a man to sex another man up the anus. Even for some sicko men to do the same thing to a woman, No wonder male prisoners would make me their bitch. MEN FOR LADIES DOT COM
@ryukenb2k There are few things I hate more than a uncreative bigot. I mean, really, the same old hackneyed bullshit about what the rectum is "meant for" and so on. You're an embarrassment to those who struggle to stay on the cutting edge of bigotry and remain original.
Free advice: hang up your hood and go do something else with your time, douche bag.
The previous comment is only intended for people who want to change. I am certainly not against anyone who does not desire to change.
I am only saying that change is within our strength given from God (if we believe and want it).
It is harder to truly want to change than it is to make the change.
P.S. I am certainly nobody special, or in any way better than anybody. I just believe strongly in the strength we have been given. I love you all regardless of opinion or sexual orientation.
I agree with what you are saying in this case. I only put this in the equation for gay Christians who want to change. Not to tell non-Christian (or Christian) gays they need to change.
So the point is to encourage the many gay Christians who want to change, that it is within their ability.
Not to tell people they have to, just that they can.
While you have attempted to couch your "change" rhetoric in benign terms, the fact is that people who preach the message you're preaching here -- regardless of how benign the phrasing -- are trying to persuade homosexuals that they need to change. Well, they don't. Go peddle your bigoted bullshit on someone else's channel, Eastombg.
I have a question I am hoping for some help with. (not trying to be rude, just confused on one issue)
Many people say that (gays) are born that way.
I don't understand that because, I don't think a straight person is born straight, nor a gay person is born gay. We don't have sexual attractions until puberty. Our minds might be trained in one way or another before then, but we don't sexualize it until puberty, is that right?
I don't know whether one is born with one's sexual orientation set or not. I don't think anyone knows. What I *do* know is that sexual orientation is discovered, as opposed to chosen. There comes a day when each of us realizes that he or she is attracted to people of the opposite sex, the same sex, or sometimes both. My suspicion is that sexual orientation is multifactorial in origin and, once established, is pretty much impervious to change.
l love your comments about choice!! You are right, it's not a choice, and those who think it is are blatently uneducated. It's also nothing to be ashamed of, we are all made differently for a reason, it keeps things interesting!
I believe though that we have the ability to control our sexual desires. It takes not only extreme willpower, but also an extreme desire to change, a nearly impossible combination.
I figured this out when I was growing out of a personal perversion.
If we really want to be, we can be sexually driven by anyone or anything.
We have been given the strength to control it.
I understand the power of sexuality, but I also know we have been given strength over it if we want it.
may I ask you a question? Is it actually more "unpopular" to be gay or to be an atheist? (in the US, I mean). Recently I've heard that atheists sometimes hide their lack of belief. And this was really surprising to me, to say the least.
I tend to agree, Lifeisgummo. However, as I take it you've seen, lots of people use it as an insult. I have a feeling such people may be telling us way more about them than they even realize. ;-)
why wont anyone answer my question i have asked many times, (not here, other videos); why is two girls together "hot", but two guys together is "gay, sinful and wrong"? Why wont some men stop being the gross pigs they are and just admit they really are agreeing that love is love and everyone has the right to it no matter what. I mean, lesbians must be "gay, sinful and wrong" too, but they are accepted so much. Admit you pigs! your either for gay love or your just secretly gay yourselves!
They're wild, aren't they? Just when one might be tempted to think that such troglodytes died off when our species left the caves and came down from the trees, one of them appears as if to say, "We're here, we're queer (literally), get used to it." ;-)
It warms my heart when I see a bigot like you, SLVgana, show just how stupid he is. You can't even spell 'fags' correctly. LOL! Back to your soccer, you dopey closet case.
Do the families feel the same pride that the fags feel or do they feel shame for the moral depravity that we see in our modern tolerant culture where being male and straight entitles you to take the blame for whatever has happened through history.
Pride? Homosexuality used to be classified as a form of mental illness, and rightfully so. Instead of rendering vile & unnatural acts of sodomite deviancy to be socially acceptable, we should be rounding up these poor lost souls and getting them the help they need. Frontal lobotomies and electroshock therapy once worked wonders in curing people of the pernicious disease of homosexuality. There's no reason they can't again today.
Homophobes have become remarkably *not* clever with their remarks. I suspect it goes to show what troglodyte one must be to still harbor such bigotry. The good news, Coldetheyl, is that you were able to lift your knuckles from dragging long enough to type. Modest progress, but progress nonetheless.
Not only are the opponants of equality on the wrong side of history, they're on the wrong side of good sense.
Are they aggressively opposed to no-fault devorce? Nooooooo, are they agressively opposed to open ended civil marriage in general? Nooooooo, Face it people, you just hate gays.
"Because they don't view that as necessary at this point. They believe they can accomplish their goal statutorily on a state-by-state basis."
You're probably right and that friightens me.
I guess what I mean is that they arent attempting to make civil marriage more like religous marriage, but, as you said above, they probably are. scarry.
I too am grateful and inspired by our straight allies. Pride is about who we are and the right to love whomever we will in our struggle for full equality (including marriage equality). My marriage is based on love and commitment, not our genitals. Inequality is the reason for Pride Parades!
Sen. Larry Craig signed on as a co-sponsor last month to the Marriage Protection Amendment against gay marriage. Both Sen. Craig and computergeek seem to be OK with gays but draw the line at marriage.
Given Senator Craig's apparent penchant for anonymous sexual liaisons with other men in places like airport bathrooms, it just may be that he doesn't want anyone else to be less miserable than he must be.
i have no problem with gays. but i hate the fact that you hijack terms and symbols.
the rainbow flag used to mean a symbol of unity among races, if i were to use it as that now, like put the sticker on my car then i would be identified at face as gay
the word 'gay' used to mean happy but they used it as a euphemism for queer. which is still used in the academic sense to mean 'gay' (ie queer studies).
Call me skeptical, but I suspect you guys weren't exactly all about rainbow stickers and flags before they became symbols of the gay pride movement. lol
In any case, in Europe the rainbow flag is also used as a symbol for peace. No one seems to be concerned about it the fact that homosexuals use the same symbol. That tells me that this mountain -- such as it is -- can be dealt with. :: rolling eyes ::
The rainbow flag is a symbol for many different groups. The colors of the stripes and the order in which those stripes are displayed is what gives each flag its meaning. The LGBT flag may be similar but is actually unique.
gay people does not have the right to live they're dirty, disgusting, stupid, godless, satanic, perverted ,motherfucking ,stinky, disease infected creatures.. and one more thing why have this pride parade mockery? faggets does not have pride watsoever they are just fucking lowlifes and freeloaders...kill gays and lesbians...they does not have a place in our ethical world.. die faggets die!! ( i am not homophobic because im not scared of faggets i'll kill them all if id have the chance
I guess that was supposed to be shocking or terribly offensive. It's not really. Hardly worth the time that it took you to post it, Daahaa66. You could just as well have kept jacking yourself off to Jonas Brothers' videos.
Please don't bother with a reply because your religious beliefs have stripped you of any ability of independent thought leaving you with nothing but quotes from the Bible. As an atheist this is meaningless.
Yes; one was titled: "I hate gay pride", one something about homosexuality and the bible, and a new one today; can´t remember the title. (getting older sucks!) I think they are all very nice. It is heartwarming to see a heterosexual being so happy about gay marriage!
I'm not one for honorary titles, but if it gets people to come out to Chicago's Pride Parade and march with us Sunday, then I shall speak unto thee...
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im not gay but im very proud of those who have fought for justice. i think it says a lot about a person! Gay acceptance is on the rise and im proud to see where everybody is headed. lets face it- nobody likes a hater!
So dont let people get you down EVER. God gave you the right to be you!
See, I'm torn on the whole Gay Pride thing. While I am completely in favor of Lesbians (provided they are young and hot), the thought of gay men having sex doesn't do anything for me.
And, to be honest, I'm kind of in favor of people who stay in the closet.
"By the way, the thought of lesbians having sex doesn't do anything for me."
Back when you were 11 and chose to be gay, you didn't fully understand all the ramifications, did you?
You could have been a disgusting slob who likes two women gettin' it on... but instead you chose to be a fastidious, well-dressed man with fabulous fashion sense, great shoes and a fondness for Broadway musicals (did I forget anything?).
"You could have been a disgusting slob who likes two women gettin' it on... but instead you chose to be a fastidious, well-dressed man with fabulous fashion sense, great shoes and a fondness for Broadway musicals (did I forget anything?)."
"Oh, and the girls love you. They take you shopping with them and try on their lingerie and ask you how it looks."
LOL! That *has* happened a number of times, actually. What truly shocked me, however, was when I discovered that some women were quite comfortable changing clothes in front of me -- skin to the wind and all.
I just went to Gay pride Oklahoma city last Sunday, and I must say, it was quite the experience. I did not realize that pride was not only about gays, but being proud of who you are and about yourself, there were lots of [excuse the "labels"] "trans-gender", "goth", "emos" all shapes colors, and sexual preferences. It was a wonderful time, and one of the things I'm able to say I'm glad I experienced
So, why pride and parades? Should I organize a heterosexual pride week with parades and all of the trimmings? How about a Christian pride week? What's the purpose?
Bberchin, you may organize a parade and week of celebrations for you and your fellow heterosexuals if you'd like. Since you all constitute the majority, it seems like every day is heterosexual pride day, but if you feel the need to have a special day or week, who am I to say you shouldn't? As for gay pride, its main origin is the birth of the gay civil rights movement. It's not at all atypical for commemorations of challenges to and victories over oppression to be celebrated with parades.
Hey Prof, I'm certainly not for a heterosexual parade (I hate parades in general!) and I do understand the struggle for equality and acceptance, but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your lifestyle? Why the need to have others agree with you? I can understand struggling against harmful oppression, but the rest is vanity is it not?
"...but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your lifestyle? Why the need to have others agree with you?"
I said nothing about people agreeing with me or "acceptance," nor is that what the gay civil rights movement is about. I suspect most gay people don't give a rat's tail whether they're accepted -- myself included. What we don't put up with is discrimination, denial of rights, and oppression.
I have taken the liberty of changing the focus of your comment from gays to blacks while keeping the main text intact. Seen in this perspective can you see how bigoted and offensive your comment was?(cont)
Hey Prof, I'm certainly not for a white parade (I hate parades in general!) and I do understand the struggle for equality and acceptance, but is that all the black community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your race? Why the need to have others agree with you? I can understand struggling against harmful oppression, but the rest is vanity is it not?
Dunwrkn4, perhaps your modification of Bberchin's statement will help him to see the point. Many people who've never faced staunch denial of basic rights can't connect to what that sort of second-class citizenship is like. It's my good fortune to be both a white male *and* gay: as the former, I experience the privileges of membership in the majority group with power, but that is tempered the fact that I'm gay. ...
... This allows me at least to get a *glimpse* of what it must be like for those people who are completely outside the majority/power set and, therefore, I'm more compassionate because I can connect to their hassles. I used to think compassion was a religious virtue; I'm no longer sure.
I considered the black/white issue in dealing with this because of the obvious paralells I knew would be drawn upon. I may not be able to identify with this particular type of "2nd class citizenship", but I certainly deal with my own oppression and discrimination, especially as a Christian in a hostile New England culture. Please don't use the "you don't understand" argument; frankly, it's offensive and just not true.
As I said to Prof below, I considered that parallel in dealing with this, but your attempt to make me sound bigoted is empty for 2 reasons- 1. I'm not a bigot and 2. Being black or white is not a sin according to the scriptures, but homosexuality is. Your translation, while you think has power, is inaccurate and does not apply.
The questions posed in this video and the conversations I will participate in will presuppose either the existence of God and heaven or a simple belief that those things are possibilities and require thought and consideration in one's beliefs and plans for life.(cont)
Sorry bberchin, these rules don't apply once you leave your channel. Most here don't see homosexuality as a sin and reject the scriptures, ergo you're a bigot. And claiming you are a persecuted Christian white male living in New England is offensive to people who have known real discrimination. Shame on you.
Sin is sin, my friend. If you want to take the high and mighty approach, go ahead, but you have no idea what I've gone through in my life, nor does it matter "where" we are. You and many others don't "see" homosexuality as sin, but the Bible says so and you see things however you want to see them. Just calling me a bigot shows you don't understand what I said or where it comes from and shows your own bigotry toward Christianity- and I'm not persecuted? You're blinded by your own double-standard.
The murder of Matt Shepard because of sexual orientation is persecution. The lynching of blacks for being black is persecution. Correctly calling you a bigot is not. Nobody in the USA is denying straight white Christian males basic human rights so stop playing the tired persecuted Christian card. It is not only offensive but ridiculous.(cont)
Just for some added background and probably irrelevant to this conversation I'm a straight male with a gay son living in the Castro district in Ca. and the person I consider my best friend is a gay Christian living in Boys Town in Chicago. I treasure them both for who they are not what they are.(cont)
And please refrain from calling me "my friend." I could never consider having someone as a friend who is so arrogant and self-righteous that they felt the need to denigrate a group of people on what is for them a special occasion. I will not come to your channel on Christmas or Easter and do the same.(cont)
Please don't bother with a reply because your religious beliefs have stripped you of any ability of independent thought leaving you with nothing but quotes from the Bible. As an atheist this is meaningless.
Thanks for the pasting, but you completely (of course) misinterpreted my position and you don't know me. You do, however, find it more desirable it seems to find someone to scold about views which you do not share. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I do expect to be accurately understood. You seem to have no desire to do so. Thanks anyway.
1. I apologize in advance for the length of this comment but I found it impossible to express my thoughts within the 500 character limit. I have gone back and reread all comments to see if I was perhaps out of line in my admitted biased interpretation. I don't feel that I was. (cont)
2. Your original comment was not one in a quest for answers or understanding but one of disrespect and meant to demean.
"So, why pride and parades? Should I organize a heterosexual pride week with parades and all of the trimmings? How about a Christian pride week? What's the purpose?"(cont)
3. You then reduce the gay struggle to vanity and include "but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance?" This is either willful disrespect or total lack of understanding. The homosexual community is no different in what they are about as the heterosexual community but unfortunately they have to fight for the rights and the acceptance you and I were born with. Can you not understand that? (cont)
4. Homosexuality is a sin was then added which is always effective when dealing with atheists and never found offensive. But it was your playing the persecuted Christian card that prompted the harsher response. Put down your Bible and read the story of Alan Turing to see real persecution and the devastation your 1st century beliefs can cause. (cont)
5. My mother-in-law and brother-in-law are confined to a nursing home and EVERY Sunday for the last 9 yrs I have gone there to take them to mass. Out of respect, never once have I jumped up and expressed my atheist point of view. It's just not the time or place. Correctly or incorrectly I view this video through the same lens. This was about PRIDE and you couldn't resist raining on the parade.
from your reply I would assume you are a litarlist. believing every word in the bible is true. If that is the case, can i also correctly assume that you do not eat 'unclean animals' such as pork. and that, for example, if you touch a woman who is menstrating, you go thru the ritual body cleansing and burning of your clothes?
You have to realize that while God provided the inspiration for the bible, it was man's biased and unclean hands the actually wrote the stories down.
Let's leave the decision up to the man in charge. As a christian, you should know that God is fully capable of making these decisions on his own and does not need your help. While on the earthly plain, lets follow the #1 rules that Jesus left behind, Love your neighbor (ref the story of the good samaritan).
Human rights all the way! However, I think there is a problem with the gay lobby: they willingly acquiesce to the stereotype that, by definition, gay sex = buggery. This puts off many people.
I don't believe male homosexuality can be so defined. Having come from a single-sex boarding school (UK), where homosexuality was quite common, I'm pretty sure that anal intercourse was well off the beaten track.
Interested people should google "heroic homosex" (frottage), if not too embarrassed.
Thanks for your comment, Psandbergnz. I'm a bit puzzled by what you said about anal sex. I'd be the first to note (from personal experience) that it's not the sum and substance of a gay male couple's sex life. I'd also point out (not from personal experience, but based on what I've been told and what I've read) that anal sex is not a uniquely homosexual activity. I'm not aware of any homosexual or homosexual "lobby" that says otherwise. Perhaps you might elaborate on what you had in mind.
profMTH, I think that in the public perception, buggery is the sine qua non of gay sex. This is proven from just about any gay joke you'll hear.
I believe the gay lobby should try to broaden people's minds on this. Anal sex is not an essential for ANY form of sexual expression, and it shouldn't be the focus of gay porn either (google the site I gave).
Of course anal sex is practised by heterosexuals, but that association is rarely made.
I'm not sure I see what you'd hope we agree to, Psandbergnz. If it's merely to say that gay people aren't having anal sex all the time, well, yeah, true enough. But the gay civil rights movement isn't about discussing sex acts with people or trying to get them to understand what gay people do and don't do in the privacy of their bedrooms. So I'm afraid I'm still puzzled.
Is that from the "What do you think?" part of The Onion? I love The Onion and that is usually my favorite part. Some time back they had a question about what people thought of the Olympics being in China. One of the responses was, "I don't know much about the Chinese, though I have been an admirer of their fire drills for years." lol
I've always been a straight ally but somehow felt that I could be doing more. So with the help of my ex-wife we produced a son for the cause. My ex-wife will tell you he is not really gay and it's only an act to hurt her. I figure he must really be pissed at her because he is now 38 yrs old and still acting "as gay as Christmas at Bloomingdales."(loved that line)
Well done, Dunwrkn4. The anti-gay set likes to say that we convert people -- even children -- to homosexuality, but in fact, as you've seen, heterosexuals produce homosexuals. It reminds me of a joke Jon Stewart did at the start of "The Daily Show" a few years ago when Billy Graham was having a crusade here in New York on the same Sunday the gay pride parade was happening. It went something like, "So Billy Graham was having his crusade just a few miles from where the gays were having their...
Of course, I think gays should turn the tables on the bible belters. Every natural disaster in places like Iowa or Mississippi should be attributed to a vengeful god who is angry at attempts to discriminate against gay marriage.
Where ever Fred Phelps goes, god is surely going to punish that community shortly afterwards for accepting a bigot into their midst.
You're right to note, JW, that on one front the propsects for success in the fight for the extension of the marriage right to same-sex couples looks bleak here in the U.S.: a solid majority of states have explicitly outlawed it either in their statutory codes or their constitutions. However, with two states extending the marriage right (and several more extending it in all but name only, e.g., so-called civil unions), the prospects increase for a direct challenge to such legislation based...
...on the federal Constitution's full faith and credit clause. In my opinion, not even the federal Defense of Marriage Act would withstand such a challenge. And I say that as one who didn't think I'd see all consensual "sodomy" laws struck down in his lifetime, but they were.
We had a guy we worked with and it was odd that he was anti-gay and when we asked him about it he said " I dont support them having sex with each other an that life style of dancing and gay love " it was odd to us because this guy was a DJ for a downtown club before working with us. We asked him about the club thing and he loved dancing and watching all the people.
I laughed at the part where he said he didn't like "that lifestyle of dancing and gay love." I'd have issues with people who had nothing more to do than dance and make love, too. lol
We then asked him about why he does not like gays dancing and how he would ever see gay sex and he was oddly quiet for the way he normaly is... We think gays are being attacked and such by people that just never though about the real objections they have.
Interesting opinions pal. But why is it homosexual's are called gay. When gay meant happy? I am gay but not freaking homo disgusting sexual. The rectum is meant for defecating and assisting with stability. It is illogical for a man to sex another man up the anus. Even for some sicko men to do the same thing to a woman, No wonder male prisoners would make me their bitch. MEN FOR LADIES DOT COM
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@ryukenb2k There are few things I hate more than a uncreative bigot. I mean, really, the same old hackneyed bullshit about what the rectum is "meant for" and so on. You're an embarrassment to those who struggle to stay on the cutting edge of bigotry and remain original.
Free advice: hang up your hood and go do something else with your time, douche bag.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
Cant Wait for San Fran Pride,
Love USA xxx
projectpound 2 years ago
The previous comment is only intended for people who want to change. I am certainly not against anyone who does not desire to change.
I am only saying that change is within our strength given from God (if we believe and want it).
It is harder to truly want to change than it is to make the change.
P.S. I am certainly nobody special, or in any way better than anybody. I just believe strongly in the strength we have been given. I love you all regardless of opinion or sexual orientation.
eastombg 2 years ago
"change is within our strength given from God "
Fewer and fewer people believe in god,
and for very good reasons.
There is no reason to try to apply god
to anyone who does not believe.
Right?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
I agree with what you are saying in this case. I only put this in the equation for gay Christians who want to change. Not to tell non-Christian (or Christian) gays they need to change.
So the point is to encourage the many gay Christians who want to change, that it is within their ability.
Not to tell people they have to, just that they can.
eastombg 2 years ago
While you have attempted to couch your "change" rhetoric in benign terms, the fact is that people who preach the message you're preaching here -- regardless of how benign the phrasing -- are trying to persuade homosexuals that they need to change. Well, they don't. Go peddle your bigoted bullshit on someone else's channel, Eastombg.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I will stay away, I apologize for that impression. I absolutely am not telling homosexuals they need to change.
I am trying to learn to communicate a positive message to those (a person in my church) who wants to change on his own accord.
Which judging by the offense I am leaving here, I am failing miserably.
I apologize again for any offense. I don't think any of us are different from each other, or better than any of each other.
eastombg 2 years ago
"I only put this in the equation for gay Christians who want to change."
The only reason I am aware of
for any gay person to want to change his/her orientation
is to avoid the social discrimination
and bullying by christians and those whom they encourage.
The problem is best addressed, not by expecting gays to change,
but by promoting equality for all people
and by christians following the example of Jesus
and leaving gays alone.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
I am Christian. I love all people.
I have a question I am hoping for some help with. (not trying to be rude, just confused on one issue)
Many people say that (gays) are born that way.
I don't understand that because, I don't think a straight person is born straight, nor a gay person is born gay. We don't have sexual attractions until puberty. Our minds might be trained in one way or another before then, but we don't sexualize it until puberty, is that right?
eastombg 2 years ago
I don't know whether one is born with one's sexual orientation set or not. I don't think anyone knows. What I *do* know is that sexual orientation is discovered, as opposed to chosen. There comes a day when each of us realizes that he or she is attracted to people of the opposite sex, the same sex, or sometimes both. My suspicion is that sexual orientation is multifactorial in origin and, once established, is pretty much impervious to change.
Hope that helps a bit.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
" is that right?"
I don't think so.
I was attracted to girls from my earliest memory.
I "fell in love" with my second-grade teacher.
My daughter fell in love with her 3rd grade teacher.
My son fell in love with his male swimming instructor at 6 years of age.
Guess what?
My son is an adult now, and gay.
It appears to be innate, not learned.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
l love your comments about choice!! You are right, it's not a choice, and those who think it is are blatently uneducated. It's also nothing to be ashamed of, we are all made differently for a reason, it keeps things interesting!
lb8978 2 years ago
"We are anonymous!
Fear us!"
Gee, you sound just like the KKK.
A bunch of cowards hiding under sheets.
What tiny pricks you all must have.
Hahahaha!!!!!!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
For those straights who think it's a choice,
let me offer this challenge-
just for a single weekend, DECIDE to be gay.
CHOOSE to be erotically stimulated
by someone of the same gender.
ELECT to have romantic feelings toward a gay person.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND to not be attracted
to anyone of the opposite gender.
If you can do this, it's a choice.
If not, please shut up about it.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
I love all people.
I believe though that we have the ability to control our sexual desires. It takes not only extreme willpower, but also an extreme desire to change, a nearly impossible combination.
I figured this out when I was growing out of a personal perversion.
If we really want to be, we can be sexually driven by anyone or anything.
We have been given the strength to control it.
I understand the power of sexuality, but I also know we have been given strength over it if we want it.
eastombg 2 years ago
"we have the ability to control our sexual desires"
Perhaps.
But why should anyone be condemned to spending their life
fighting against one of humanity's most powerful drives?
There is no basis to equate homosexuality
with perversions that harm people.
It's just a matter of indoor vs outdoor plumbing.
Why should it concern anyone besides the people involved?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Hello,
may I ask you a question? Is it actually more "unpopular" to be gay or to be an atheist? (in the US, I mean). Recently I've heard that atheists sometimes hide their lack of belief. And this was really surprising to me, to say the least.
AnderssenVP 3 years ago
Polling data indicate that society is markedly more tolerant of homosexuals than it is of atheists.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Ok, thanks. I think it's strange, nonetheless (the intolerance against atheists I mean).
AnderssenVP 3 years ago
Intolerance tends to be strange.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
If your both then o gosh its stacked against you
BungleZippie 2 years ago
I really don't get the "you're a fag"
i mean, come on, how is that insulting? It's like insulting someone with saying. "you're Human" or "you eat food"
lifeisgummo 3 years ago
I tend to agree, Lifeisgummo. However, as I take it you've seen, lots of people use it as an insult. I have a feeling such people may be telling us way more about them than they even realize. ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
well, im sorry, but most people dont want to be a "fag" it insults mannliness.
meantexanguy 3 years ago
why wont anyone answer my question i have asked many times, (not here, other videos); why is two girls together "hot", but two guys together is "gay, sinful and wrong"? Why wont some men stop being the gross pigs they are and just admit they really are agreeing that love is love and everyone has the right to it no matter what. I mean, lesbians must be "gay, sinful and wrong" too, but they are accepted so much. Admit you pigs! your either for gay love or your just secretly gay yourselves!
wantsumcandy 3 years ago
you answered your own questions.
"Why wont some men stop being the gross pigs"
These straight men are sexually attracted to woman. so girl on girl is obviously going to be appealing to alot of them.
lifeisgummo 3 years ago
Half of the fun is reading all these hateful bigots respond with frothing mouths!
Digitalfinch 3 years ago
They're wild, aren't they? Just when one might be tempted to think that such troglodytes died off when our species left the caves and came down from the trees, one of them appears as if to say, "We're here, we're queer (literally), get used to it." ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Great video, I hope that soon in our country people wont feel shame for being gay because of ignorant retarts.
naturalrights14 3 years ago
Indeed. Thanks very much, Naturalrights14.
:-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
It warms my heart when I see a bigot like you, SLVgana, show just how stupid he is. You can't even spell 'fags' correctly. LOL! Back to your soccer, you dopey closet case.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
another straight (but not narrow) chick here to remind you to NEVER be ashamed and always have pride! equality for all!
flamedame007 3 years ago
:-) Thanks, Flamedame007.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
equality for all, just only if they agree with my way of life
LastDayInSin 3 years ago
Nice job!
TheGaylyShow 3 years ago
Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
happy (really late) pride! :D I really enjoyed your video. you are so thought out and well spoken. Thank you for posting!
sapphicnickel 3 years ago
Thank you. And a belated Happy Pride to you, too. :-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
i totally agree.
i love it
[:
YupYupSexMeUp 3 years ago
Thanks. :-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Do the families feel the same pride that the fags feel or do they feel shame for the moral depravity that we see in our modern tolerant culture where being male and straight entitles you to take the blame for whatever has happened through history.
fraserdp91 3 years ago
You sound bitter, Fraserdp91. That's too bad. I hope you work that out.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Pride? Homosexuality used to be classified as a form of mental illness, and rightfully so. Instead of rendering vile & unnatural acts of sodomite deviancy to be socially acceptable, we should be rounding up these poor lost souls and getting them the help they need. Frontal lobotomies and electroshock therapy once worked wonders in curing people of the pernicious disease of homosexuality. There's no reason they can't again today.
aquilaoculus75 3 years ago
LOL!
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Wait, you ARE being sarcastic, right?
PurpleTune 3 years ago
SILLY FAGGOTS,DICKS ARE FOR CHICKS
coldetheyl 3 years ago
Homophobes have become remarkably *not* clever with their remarks. I suspect it goes to show what troglodyte one must be to still harbor such bigotry. The good news, Coldetheyl, is that you were able to lift your knuckles from dragging long enough to type. Modest progress, but progress nonetheless.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Well said.
PurpleTune 3 years ago
Thanks, PurpleTune.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Woot Woot.
Not only are the opponants of equality on the wrong side of history, they're on the wrong side of good sense.
Are they aggressively opposed to no-fault devorce? Nooooooo, are they agressively opposed to open ended civil marriage in general? Nooooooo, Face it people, you just hate gays.
Stay proud my friends.
xSpectatoronex 3 years ago
"Are they aggressively opposed to no-fault devorce? Nooooooo...."
Actually, many of them are.
"are they agressively opposed to open ended civil marriage in general?"
What does "open-ended civil marriage" mean?
ProfMTH 3 years ago
To the extent that they would actualy propose a constitutional amendment banning it? I don't think so.
open-ended civil marriage: a civil Marriage system that has a less riged criteria than a religous ceramony.
xSpectatoronex 3 years ago
"To the extent that they would actualy propose a constitutional amendment banning it? I don't think so."
Because they don't view that as necessary at this point. They believe they can accomplish their goal statutorily on a state-by-state basis.
"open-ended civil marriage: a civil Marriage system that has a less riged criteria than a religous ceramony."
I still don't know what you mean.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"Because they don't view that as necessary at this point. They believe they can accomplish their goal statutorily on a state-by-state basis."
You're probably right and that friightens me.
I guess what I mean is that they arent attempting to make civil marriage more like religous marriage, but, as you said above, they probably are. scarry.
xSpectatoronex 3 years ago
Yay! :3
PurpleTune 3 years ago
Woooooo- happy belated Pride from SF :)
kickinoranges 3 years ago
One of my favorite cities. Thanks, Kinkinoranges. And to you, too. ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I too am grateful and inspired by our straight allies. Pride is about who we are and the right to love whomever we will in our struggle for full equality (including marriage equality). My marriage is based on love and commitment, not our genitals. Inequality is the reason for Pride Parades!
Dykeborn 3 years ago
Well said, Dykeborn. Thanks. :-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
dykeborn
Tuesday, July 1, 2008 14:12 EDT
Obama takes a stand against gay marriage ban.
Wouldn't it be nice to include the most powerful leader in the free world as one of your straight allies? Keep on flaunting.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
makes me sick. Ok with Gays but NOT MARRIAGE. hate gay marriage. Wouldn't hate someone just for being gay.. but getting married..YES I WILL..
computergeek836 3 years ago
Well, it's a good thing you shared that with all of us, Computergeek836. We wouldn't want to risk offending you after all.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Prof
Sen. Larry Craig signed on as a co-sponsor last month to the Marriage Protection Amendment against gay marriage. Both Sen. Craig and computergeek seem to be OK with gays but draw the line at marriage.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Given Senator Craig's apparent penchant for anonymous sexual liaisons with other men in places like airport bathrooms, it just may be that he doesn't want anyone else to be less miserable than he must be.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
cool but not for me
comeclarity1234 3 years ago
i have no problem with gays. but i hate the fact that you hijack terms and symbols.
the rainbow flag used to mean a symbol of unity among races, if i were to use it as that now, like put the sticker on my car then i would be identified at face as gay
the word 'gay' used to mean happy but they used it as a euphemism for queer. which is still used in the academic sense to mean 'gay' (ie queer studies).
laughingjakal 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more. Rainbow stickers or flags now mean something differnent. Not right.
However, good vid, be proud no matter who or what you are.
shawn303 3 years ago
Call me skeptical, but I suspect you guys weren't exactly all about rainbow stickers and flags before they became symbols of the gay pride movement. lol
In any case, in Europe the rainbow flag is also used as a symbol for peace. No one seems to be concerned about it the fact that homosexuals use the same symbol. That tells me that this mountain -- such as it is -- can be dealt with. :: rolling eyes ::
ProfMTH 3 years ago
The rainbow flag is a symbol for many different groups. The colors of the stripes and the order in which those stripes are displayed is what gives each flag its meaning. The LGBT flag may be similar but is actually unique.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
gay people does not have the right to live they're dirty, disgusting, stupid, godless, satanic, perverted ,motherfucking ,stinky, disease infected creatures.. and one more thing why have this pride parade mockery? faggets does not have pride watsoever they are just fucking lowlifes and freeloaders...kill gays and lesbians...they does not have a place in our ethical world.. die faggets die!! ( i am not homophobic because im not scared of faggets i'll kill them all if id have the chance
disserboy420 3 years ago
You could at least learn to spell 'faggots' correctly, Disserboy420. In any case, HAPPY PRIDE!
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I guess that was supposed to be shocking or terribly offensive. It's not really. Hardly worth the time that it took you to post it, Daahaa66. You could just as well have kept jacking yourself off to Jonas Brothers' videos.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Great video!!!
atheismislogic65 3 years ago
Thanks, Atheismislogic.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
gays are people with genetic defects and/or mental disorders .... This is a fact
ulliboll 3 years ago
Reverend Falwell, I thought you were dead.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Yes, this is true. But in the same way that being left-handed is a 'genetic defect and/or mental disorder'.
SoapboxJunky 3 years ago
gays are people with genetic defects and/or mental disorders
ulliboll 3 years ago
Please don't bother with a reply because your religious beliefs have stripped you of any ability of independent thought leaving you with nothing but quotes from the Bible. As an atheist this is meaningless.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
i wouldve given my gay right testicle to have been at pride fest
xxxj81 3 years ago
Gay people scare me
cdwray 3 years ago
Doubtless you return the favor.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
U SUCK HOMOPHOBE
bubblycola95 3 years ago
YAY!
gayandproud988 3 years ago
:-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I'm PROUD to say i'm PROUD to be a fag.
ApolloLion 3 years ago
:-) Happy Pride, ApolloLion.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Did you see the videos Grumpychuck did on this topic?
kirafan68 3 years ago
I saw one, Kirafan. Were there several?
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Yes; one was titled: "I hate gay pride", one something about homosexuality and the bible, and a new one today; can´t remember the title. (getting older sucks!) I think they are all very nice. It is heartwarming to see a heterosexual being so happy about gay marriage!
kirafan68 3 years ago
Thanks for the heads-up, Kira. I'll check the others out. :-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
My wife and I have giant equal signs on our cars. EQUAL.
Equal taxation, equal opportunity, equal contribution, equal respect.
EQUAL. Period.
TLCTugger 3 years ago
Excellent, TLCTugger.
I must ask you -- and I trust you won't mind (I mean no offense) -- are you actually a foreskin restorer?
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"I'm not only the TLC Tugger president, I'm also a client!"
All the before/after shots at our web site are me.
-Ron
TLCTugger 3 years ago
"I'm not only the TLC Tugger president, I'm also a client!"
LOL! Thanks for the great response. I'll check out the website.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Can this be considered healing an amputee and if so does this make Ron God?
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
LOL!! At last, we've found the answer to that first question!
ProfMTH 3 years ago
^^ does this make Ron God? ^^
I'm not one for honorary titles, but if it gets people to come out to Chicago's Pride Parade and march with us Sunday, then I shall speak unto thee...
Click for my profile and contact me to be part of our Equality and Intactivism contingent. Line-up at 2535 North Halsted by 11:30am.
See also my video "Amputee."
-Ron
TLCTugger 3 years ago
I don't get it..what do gays have to be proud of? descracing god?
It's not normal and you should stop it immediately. it's not healthy.
shockingshot 3 years ago
LOL! Happy Gay Pride Week to you, Shockingshot.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
im not gay but im very proud of those who have fought for justice. i think it says a lot about a person! Gay acceptance is on the rise and im proud to see where everybody is headed. lets face it- nobody likes a hater!
So dont let people get you down EVER. God gave you the right to be you!
i believe god made people that way.
PEACE AND LOVE
whyareyousooofat 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment, and your screen name is hysterical.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I'm going to pride in Atlanta in a week. So excited.
MissStitches 3 years ago
Have fun! ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
California ftw.
kylesmith425 3 years ago
See, I'm torn on the whole Gay Pride thing. While I am completely in favor of Lesbians (provided they are young and hot), the thought of gay men having sex doesn't do anything for me.
And, to be honest, I'm kind of in favor of people who stay in the closet.
ClosetAtheist 3 years ago
LOL! Well, I certainly understand *your* preference for your closet, ClosetAtheist.
By the way, the thought of lesbians having sex doesn't do anything for me.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"By the way, the thought of lesbians having sex doesn't do anything for me."
Back when you were 11 and chose to be gay, you didn't fully understand all the ramifications, did you?
You could have been a disgusting slob who likes two women gettin' it on... but instead you chose to be a fastidious, well-dressed man with fabulous fashion sense, great shoes and a fondness for Broadway musicals (did I forget anything?).
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
ClosetAtheist 3 years ago
"You could have been a disgusting slob who likes two women gettin' it on... but instead you chose to be a fastidious, well-dressed man with fabulous fashion sense, great shoes and a fondness for Broadway musicals (did I forget anything?)."
Just one: I can dance. ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"Just one: I can dance. ;-)"
Aaaargh! How did I miss that one?
Oh, and the girls love you. They take you shopping with them and try on their lingerie and ask you how it looks.
You bastard.
ClosetAtheist 3 years ago
"Oh, and the girls love you. They take you shopping with them and try on their lingerie and ask you how it looks."
LOL! That *has* happened a number of times, actually. What truly shocked me, however, was when I discovered that some women were quite comfortable changing clothes in front of me -- skin to the wind and all.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Stop! Stop! You're killing me! If I hadn't gone to a small Lutheran high school I would have pretended to be gay just to try and have that happen!
I'm past that now, of course.
ClosetAtheist 3 years ago
i pretty much go with the reverse,we need more gay men and less gay women.1 want as little competition as possible ;)
NemoUtopian 3 years ago
1. I'm off the market, so I don't care about the competition.
2. If I was on the market, competition wouldn't be a problem for me, since I'm basically the perfect man.
ClosetAtheist 3 years ago
I just went to Gay pride Oklahoma city last Sunday, and I must say, it was quite the experience. I did not realize that pride was not only about gays, but being proud of who you are and about yourself, there were lots of [excuse the "labels"] "trans-gender", "goth", "emos" all shapes colors, and sexual preferences. It was a wonderful time, and one of the things I'm able to say I'm glad I experienced
xfemaledrummerx 3 years ago
Yeah, they can be very inclusive events, which is one of their virtues. Thanks for the comment, Xfemaledrummerx.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
O.K., profMTH. We'll have to leave it at that, since there's nothing more I can usefully contribute on this.
psandbergnz 3 years ago
So, why pride and parades? Should I organize a heterosexual pride week with parades and all of the trimmings? How about a Christian pride week? What's the purpose?
bberchin 3 years ago
Bberchin, you may organize a parade and week of celebrations for you and your fellow heterosexuals if you'd like. Since you all constitute the majority, it seems like every day is heterosexual pride day, but if you feel the need to have a special day or week, who am I to say you shouldn't? As for gay pride, its main origin is the birth of the gay civil rights movement. It's not at all atypical for commemorations of challenges to and victories over oppression to be celebrated with parades.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Hey Prof, I'm certainly not for a heterosexual parade (I hate parades in general!) and I do understand the struggle for equality and acceptance, but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your lifestyle? Why the need to have others agree with you? I can understand struggling against harmful oppression, but the rest is vanity is it not?
bberchin 3 years ago
"...but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your lifestyle? Why the need to have others agree with you?"
I said nothing about people agreeing with me or "acceptance," nor is that what the gay civil rights movement is about. I suspect most gay people don't give a rat's tail whether they're accepted -- myself included. What we don't put up with is discrimination, denial of rights, and oppression.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I suspect most gay people don't give a rat's tail whether they're accepted -- myself included.
ProfMTH
If this statement were true there would be no need for closet. Unfortunately far to many lack your strong character and confidence.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
"If this statement were true there would be no need for closet."
I should clarify. I had people who are out of the closet in mind when I said that, Dunwrkn4.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
bberchin
I have taken the liberty of changing the focus of your comment from gays to blacks while keeping the main text intact. Seen in this perspective can you see how bigoted and offensive your comment was?(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Hey Prof, I'm certainly not for a white parade (I hate parades in general!) and I do understand the struggle for equality and acceptance, but is that all the black community is about- rights and acceptance? Why such a great need for acceptance if you are confident in your race? Why the need to have others agree with you? I can understand struggling against harmful oppression, but the rest is vanity is it not?
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Dunwrkn4, perhaps your modification of Bberchin's statement will help him to see the point. Many people who've never faced staunch denial of basic rights can't connect to what that sort of second-class citizenship is like. It's my good fortune to be both a white male *and* gay: as the former, I experience the privileges of membership in the majority group with power, but that is tempered the fact that I'm gay. ...
ProfMTH 3 years ago
... This allows me at least to get a *glimpse* of what it must be like for those people who are completely outside the majority/power set and, therefore, I'm more compassionate because I can connect to their hassles. I used to think compassion was a religious virtue; I'm no longer sure.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I considered the black/white issue in dealing with this because of the obvious paralells I knew would be drawn upon. I may not be able to identify with this particular type of "2nd class citizenship", but I certainly deal with my own oppression and discrimination, especially as a Christian in a hostile New England culture. Please don't use the "you don't understand" argument; frankly, it's offensive and just not true.
bberchin 3 years ago
As I said to Prof below, I considered that parallel in dealing with this, but your attempt to make me sound bigoted is empty for 2 reasons- 1. I'm not a bigot and 2. Being black or white is not a sin according to the scriptures, but homosexuality is. Your translation, while you think has power, is inaccurate and does not apply.
bberchin 3 years ago
Rules from a video on bberchin's channel:
The questions posed in this video and the conversations I will participate in will presuppose either the existence of God and heaven or a simple belief that those things are possibilities and require thought and consideration in one's beliefs and plans for life.(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Sorry bberchin, these rules don't apply once you leave your channel. Most here don't see homosexuality as a sin and reject the scriptures, ergo you're a bigot. And claiming you are a persecuted Christian white male living in New England is offensive to people who have known real discrimination. Shame on you.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Sin is sin, my friend. If you want to take the high and mighty approach, go ahead, but you have no idea what I've gone through in my life, nor does it matter "where" we are. You and many others don't "see" homosexuality as sin, but the Bible says so and you see things however you want to see them. Just calling me a bigot shows you don't understand what I said or where it comes from and shows your own bigotry toward Christianity- and I'm not persecuted? You're blinded by your own double-standard.
bberchin 3 years ago
The murder of Matt Shepard because of sexual orientation is persecution. The lynching of blacks for being black is persecution. Correctly calling you a bigot is not. Nobody in the USA is denying straight white Christian males basic human rights so stop playing the tired persecuted Christian card. It is not only offensive but ridiculous.(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Just for some added background and probably irrelevant to this conversation I'm a straight male with a gay son living in the Castro district in Ca. and the person I consider my best friend is a gay Christian living in Boys Town in Chicago. I treasure them both for who they are not what they are.(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
And please refrain from calling me "my friend." I could never consider having someone as a friend who is so arrogant and self-righteous that they felt the need to denigrate a group of people on what is for them a special occasion. I will not come to your channel on Christmas or Easter and do the same.(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Please don't bother with a reply because your religious beliefs have stripped you of any ability of independent thought leaving you with nothing but quotes from the Bible. As an atheist this is meaningless.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Thanks for the pasting, but you completely (of course) misinterpreted my position and you don't know me. You do, however, find it more desirable it seems to find someone to scold about views which you do not share. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I do expect to be accurately understood. You seem to have no desire to do so. Thanks anyway.
bberchin 3 years ago
1. I apologize in advance for the length of this comment but I found it impossible to express my thoughts within the 500 character limit. I have gone back and reread all comments to see if I was perhaps out of line in my admitted biased interpretation. I don't feel that I was. (cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
2. Your original comment was not one in a quest for answers or understanding but one of disrespect and meant to demean.
"So, why pride and parades? Should I organize a heterosexual pride week with parades and all of the trimmings? How about a Christian pride week? What's the purpose?"(cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
3. You then reduce the gay struggle to vanity and include "but is that all the homosexual community is about- rights and acceptance?" This is either willful disrespect or total lack of understanding. The homosexual community is no different in what they are about as the heterosexual community but unfortunately they have to fight for the rights and the acceptance you and I were born with. Can you not understand that? (cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
4. Homosexuality is a sin was then added which is always effective when dealing with atheists and never found offensive. But it was your playing the persecuted Christian card that prompted the harsher response. Put down your Bible and read the story of Alan Turing to see real persecution and the devastation your 1st century beliefs can cause. (cont)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
5. My mother-in-law and brother-in-law are confined to a nursing home and EVERY Sunday for the last 9 yrs I have gone there to take them to mass. Out of respect, never once have I jumped up and expressed my atheist point of view. It's just not the time or place. Correctly or incorrectly I view this video through the same lens. This was about PRIDE and you couldn't resist raining on the parade.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
from your reply I would assume you are a litarlist. believing every word in the bible is true. If that is the case, can i also correctly assume that you do not eat 'unclean animals' such as pork. and that, for example, if you touch a woman who is menstrating, you go thru the ritual body cleansing and burning of your clothes?
You have to realize that while God provided the inspiration for the bible, it was man's biased and unclean hands the actually wrote the stories down.
finally...
sapphicnickel 3 years ago
Let's leave the decision up to the man in charge. As a christian, you should know that God is fully capable of making these decisions on his own and does not need your help. While on the earthly plain, lets follow the #1 rules that Jesus left behind, Love your neighbor (ref the story of the good samaritan).
love and peace to all ~~~<3
sapphicnickel 3 years ago
and this reply was supposed to go under bberchin's comment above. (silly YT) :)thx!
sapphicnickel 3 years ago
I love the video the gay community needs more people like you keep up the good work on supporting gay rights. Much Love,Rghsplayboy2008
Rghsplayboy2008 3 years ago
Thanks very much, Rghsplayboy2008.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I am straight as a board, but the rights to freedom, equality, and happiness always get my vote.
4McClain 3 years ago
Excellent, 4McClain.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
There shouldn't even be such a thing as "gay rights", there should only be "human rights".
I'm still waiting for the bigots in society to wake up to that
TheReaderReport 3 years ago
Quite right, TheReaderReport. I try to avoid that phrase, but its got a certain shorthand value that makes it difficult to resist.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Human rights all the way! However, I think there is a problem with the gay lobby: they willingly acquiesce to the stereotype that, by definition, gay sex = buggery. This puts off many people.
I don't believe male homosexuality can be so defined. Having come from a single-sex boarding school (UK), where homosexuality was quite common, I'm pretty sure that anal intercourse was well off the beaten track.
Interested people should google "heroic homosex" (frottage), if not too embarrassed.
psandbergnz 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment, Psandbergnz. I'm a bit puzzled by what you said about anal sex. I'd be the first to note (from personal experience) that it's not the sum and substance of a gay male couple's sex life. I'd also point out (not from personal experience, but based on what I've been told and what I've read) that anal sex is not a uniquely homosexual activity. I'm not aware of any homosexual or homosexual "lobby" that says otherwise. Perhaps you might elaborate on what you had in mind.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
profMTH, I think that in the public perception, buggery is the sine qua non of gay sex. This is proven from just about any gay joke you'll hear.
I believe the gay lobby should try to broaden people's minds on this. Anal sex is not an essential for ANY form of sexual expression, and it shouldn't be the focus of gay porn either (google the site I gave).
Of course anal sex is practised by heterosexuals, but that association is rarely made.
I hope there is partial agreement between us.
psandbergnz 3 years ago
I'm not sure I see what you'd hope we agree to, Psandbergnz. If it's merely to say that gay people aren't having anal sex all the time, well, yeah, true enough. But the gay civil rights movement isn't about discussing sex acts with people or trying to get them to understand what gay people do and don't do in the privacy of their bedrooms. So I'm afraid I'm still puzzled.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
ProfMTH
Article in the Onion
1. Homosexuals are just trying to make their sodomy as morally acceptable as the sodomy I enjoy in my church-sanctioned marriage.
2.I suppose it's okay for homosexuals to marry-so long as they don't marry each other, of course.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Is that from the "What do you think?" part of The Onion? I love The Onion and that is usually my favorite part. Some time back they had a question about what people thought of the Olympics being in China. One of the responses was, "I don't know much about the Chinese, though I have been an admirer of their fire drills for years." lol
ProfMTH 3 years ago
ProfMTH
Yes, it is from "What do you think." I love the Onion also.
Here is one more.
"Gay marriage is only going to take weddings to another opulent level."
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
LOL.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
ProfMTH
I've always been a straight ally but somehow felt that I could be doing more. So with the help of my ex-wife we produced a son for the cause. My ex-wife will tell you he is not really gay and it's only an act to hurt her. I figure he must really be pissed at her because he is now 38 yrs old and still acting "as gay as Christmas at Bloomingdales."(loved that line)
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Well done, Dunwrkn4. The anti-gay set likes to say that we convert people -- even children -- to homosexuality, but in fact, as you've seen, heterosexuals produce homosexuals. It reminds me of a joke Jon Stewart did at the start of "The Daily Show" a few years ago when Billy Graham was having a crusade here in New York on the same Sunday the gay pride parade was happening. It went something like, "So Billy Graham was having his crusade just a few miles from where the gays were having their...
ProfMTH 3 years ago
...annual parade. And guess which one was trying to convert people to their lifestyle."
My best to your son during this pride week. And special ups to you as the loving parent of a gay son. We can't have too many of you.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Gotta love Jon Stewart. Nothing like humor to drive home a point. RIP George Carlin.
dunwrkn4 3 years ago
Of course, I think gays should turn the tables on the bible belters. Every natural disaster in places like Iowa or Mississippi should be attributed to a vengeful god who is angry at attempts to discriminate against gay marriage.
Where ever Fred Phelps goes, god is surely going to punish that community shortly afterwards for accepting a bigot into their midst.
What's good for the goose...
middlekk 3 years ago
"Let's hear it for the straight allies"... You're welcome. :-)
middlekk 3 years ago
:-) Much appreciated, Middlekk.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
You're right to note, JW, that on one front the propsects for success in the fight for the extension of the marriage right to same-sex couples looks bleak here in the U.S.: a solid majority of states have explicitly outlawed it either in their statutory codes or their constitutions. However, with two states extending the marriage right (and several more extending it in all but name only, e.g., so-called civil unions), the prospects increase for a direct challenge to such legislation based...
ProfMTH 3 years ago
...on the federal Constitution's full faith and credit clause. In my opinion, not even the federal Defense of Marriage Act would withstand such a challenge. And I say that as one who didn't think I'd see all consensual "sodomy" laws struck down in his lifetime, but they were.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
1 ProfMTH is worth 1 billion heterosexual bigots. I could expound, but I'll leave it at that . . .
jason666king 3 years ago
I should hope so, Jason. lol Seriously, thanks, man.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
We had a guy we worked with and it was odd that he was anti-gay and when we asked him about it he said " I dont support them having sex with each other an that life style of dancing and gay love " it was odd to us because this guy was a DJ for a downtown club before working with us. We asked him about the club thing and he loved dancing and watching all the people.
Tacos25n28 3 years ago
Bigotry is rarely coherent, Tacos25n28.
I laughed at the part where he said he didn't like "that lifestyle of dancing and gay love." I'd have issues with people who had nothing more to do than dance and make love, too. lol
Thanks for your comment.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
We then asked him about why he does not like gays dancing and how he would ever see gay sex and he was oddly quiet for the way he normaly is... We think gays are being attacked and such by people that just never though about the real objections they have.
Tacos25n28 3 years ago
Nice!
Consider me a straight ally too!
YAY FOR GAY!!!
Happy pride, people.
mungbeanman 3 years ago
lol Thanks, Mungbeanman.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Good onya man. I like the "Just another straight guy for gay rights.", I wouldn't mind one of those signs.
I've been meaning to ask you, to what extent was your homosexuality involved in your leaving of Christianity?
Mozza314 3 years ago