Outside superior court march 5th hearings to overturn prop 8

[marloesjgs]

government 101: The rights of a minority cannot be voted on by the majority.

[ToxicOdiousOne]

Majority rules you socialist dunbasses!

[JeremyMilne]

i say fuck christians. they had their time, it was called the dark ages.

[DJLunasf]

Why is all this footage of only yes on 8? Fucking homophobe. You'll be the one to go to hell for all your hate, not us.

[snuffokk]

Marriage is ordained by GOD and is between a MAN and WOMAN. It has always been that way. My children will know that being GAY is a sin; not to mention it is against Natural Law. God loves ALL people, but he does not love ALL the sins we do. Gay marriage is WRONG. I don’t care anymore about being politically correct. This country is in for a HUGE surprise.

[magicmike3D]

All I see in this video segment is two groups of people on opposite sides of the street not listening to each other. They should have all stayed home. Waste of time.

[TaylorSiluwe]

If we don't stop the fundies from taking over American gov & military, we're doomed. Believe that.

[darkwolfx333]

I guess these wonderfully "loving" Christians never read the passages of Samuel where God married David and Johnathan because of their sacrifice to them and as lovers to each other.

[WhitepwrItalian1]

YES ON PROP 8!!! FUCKIN HOMOS GO DIE!

[M1Garandmarine]

Sie machen mich lachen! HA, HA, HA, HA...!

[oxoxMusicxisxlifexox]

Makes me sick to see that people are still this ignorant.This is an old trick that religious bigots have played through out history,using the bible as an ecxuse for their ignorance and fear.

[hugomusica]

so.. esencially people voted for death penalty or might as well have.

would u die for the love of ur life?

would you die if they took him her away?

what if people had the right to vote weather you should be happy or not?? ohh wait they did.. what a fuc%$#$ up proposition!!

[SkeetInTheHeat]

OVERTURN PROPOSITION 8!

[colorfulanguage]

Those wack jobs ever hear of a little separation of church and state? History has shown us bigots never win, I can't wait to see how fast some churches will back pedal to save face in the text books of the future. Then again, some of them can't even get over condoms....religion is truly a path for sheep looking for a leader.

[frenchamericantv]

its not a matter of equality but of definition.

same sex marriage is an oxymoron

can marry same sex

the definition of marriage are 2 opposites that complete

each other. cant be done with same sex.

it is called a civil union.

or call it what you want like "unmarriable"

[darkwolfx333]

@frenchamericantv That definition is not in Webster nor is it truly in the bible. And that american definition came only after DOMA was passed. What about the passages of Samuel where god married David and Johnathan to each other for not only the sacrifice to god but also for the sacrifice they gave to each other?

[Jealixn734]

That guy with the megaphone is pathetic. When you ban gay marrage, you resrict a minority's rights, disallow them to live life as they choose, and emotionally devistate thousands of people. How is that what the Bible says to do? That's the farthest from what any God of any religion would want.

If you want to do what the bible says or what God wants, then spread happiness.

Promoting homophobia like that will get you sent to hell before being gay will.

[mattsf2003]

That's a pretty big turn out for the Yes on 8 folks in SF. Right or Wrong, the people voted on this, fair & square.

[Rigger4100]

You know whats VERY Scary, The Dude who is yelling on the Megaphone sounds EXACTLY like Jim Jones did when he was using the Sound System at Jonestown to brainwash his Followers. Like EXACTLY the same. Same accent and sarcasm and everything. Chilling.

[Rigger4100]

They cant use these retards with megaphones in the street as the example for all people who were For Prop 8. Most just need to be convinced or at least shown that they will be accepted by Gays. but Gays are so angry that they cant do that, its insult after insult. Good News is that they are already gathering signatures for a 2010 Measure to remove Marriage from Govt. Language in Cali and go with Civil Unions for all. Then, the Churches can handle Marriage.

[Rigger4100]

REFER to my latest: The Cost for the No on 8 Lobby is $50 Mil and counting upward. What if THAT money and energy was spent on getting the 1380 rights that they need to achieve equality of Civil Unions. Since Prop 8 is going to be upheld all that Money is wasted on arguing over a dumb word. If I was Gay I wouldnt care if they called it being "{Choose your word}" to my partner.

As long as I had my rights. In fact I may have prefered to call it something different and unique

[johnaryder]

Money won't help get DOMA repealed. I'm not sure what would make you think that.

But it WILL help us to get our message out to the American people so that they realize that they realize that same-sex relationships deserve the same recognition as opposite-sex relationships, which will help get civil unions or even marriages legalized in other states, and might help get us the votes to repeal DOMA.

"In fact I may have prefered to call it something different and unique"

Well, we don't.

[Rigger4100]

Then there it is: $50 mil+ to get out the message. And nothing to show for it. BTW DOMA does not have get repealed to achieve equal partnership rights. So if it is really all about the word than that means its all or nothing, and as of March 11, 2009 its nothing. So unless you want it to stay that way, keep throwing a tantrum about a word and forget about the wasted money spent and getting equality.

[johnaryder]

"BTW DOMA does not have get repealed to achieve equal partnership rights"

Uh... that's EXACTLY the problem. No state can give federal rights to same-sex couples until DOMA is repealed, and the people don't have the power to repeal DOMA, only Congress does. But the votes just aren't there right now. So our main issue now is getting the people on our side, which will in turn influence Congress. It's not "throwing a tantrum". It's the next logical step in achieving equality.

[Rigger4100]

Prop 8 is A Cali Measure, Im not talking about Federal Law...Yet. Within the Borders of Cali we can even out Civil Unions very easily. But Back to your point about getting the people on your side. I 100% Agree. But thats not happening because the Gay Lobby has created a knee Jerk Rection in its supporters to treat anyone who does not agree with them (or doesnt know what to think) into an automatic hatefilled Biggot. By attacking everyone who disgarees with them they are driving people away.

[johnaryder]

I completely agree with you on this. Although I think some people don't deserve our respect at all, most people against gay rights aren't hate-filled bigots and we need to realize this and treat them with dignity. But you have to understand that some gay people have those reactions because of negative experiences they had with their family, friends or peers as they were growing up.

[Rigger4100]

Its more than some though. Every Rally, Protest or No on 8 advocate celebrity on the news (God Bless them) cant help but to attack anyone who disagrees with them by making them out to be Hate filled biggots. It hurt the cause and Prop 8 will be upheld.

[blur880]

But, within 20 years, same-sex marriage will be the norm. It is inevitable.

I'm all your same-sex marriage, but I do agree to some extent that you can be against same-sex marriage without being a bigot.

It is a slippery slope to say same-sex marriage is okay but nothing else, like polygamy. It is all the State telling you how to live. If you are going to open the doors wider, can we/should we just slam them shut when we legalize same-sex marriage?

[Rigger4100]

Actually Thats my whole point. These Religous wacadoos who are outside the courthouse with megaphones(and who are from out of State) shouldnt be the face of the Yes on 8 crowd. But Im saying its sad that every celenrity, Left wing Politician and anyone in the Gay Lobby chooses to brand EVERYONE who voted for 8 as a Hatefull Biggot. That is whats going to cost them years of stalled progress.

[blur880]

Well, wacadoos always get all the attention away. That is why Rush and Sharpton are always on TV. :)

Sure, no one likes to be called a bigot. Making the issue black and white is probably bad for same-sex couples. Talking is always better than arguing. Ultimately though, I think a lot of people are just uncomfortable with gay sex. They get hung up on that and the raising children issue.

[blur880]

It is a complicated issue, like slavery was. We all new it was wrong long before it ended. It was just such a huge monster we didn't know what to do with it.

Same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, but it creates so interesting situations. College dorms, restrooms, etc.

Plus, churchs will fight it hard. I'm not saying churchs will be forced to marry same-sex couples, but they'll be called bigoted if they do, and they'll fight that hard. It will be messy, but we'll manage.

[Rigger4100]

Very complicated but the biggest difference is that during the Sixties we didnt have the Media Empire that exists now. So with the exception of the Black Panthers and The Nation of Islam (Malcom X etc) there wasnt a whole heck of a lot of Hatefull lashing out at whites by blacks. MLK and those like him were the difference. Today there is no big named voice of Civilty in the No on8 crowd even among the hoards of celebs and talk show hosts against it.Everyone is so angry its counterproductive.

[blur880]

Sure, the media is different now. But, actually, the massive media coverage was greatly responsible for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I do totally agree with you about the lack of leadership/organization.  But, that has always been a problem with the liberals (I'm one): they lack organization. The conservatives, on the other hand are always very organized--that is why Democrats don't get elected president as often. Obama had the presidency handed to him, and he didn't even win big.

[Rigger4100]

Right which is why its so sad because the Left Wing Leadership (Politician or celebrity) that does exist, could have almost unlimited Free pub on ANY Website, Cable News Show, National Newscast, TV Show, Movie awards etc etc, but then they still go on those outlets give the same exact message that an very angry 23 year old on the street would give. Such a waste of resources.

[peaceispatriotic7]

The same people that voted yes on 8 are the exact same people that said lightning would strike and the sky would fall when blacks and whites were able to marry in the 1940's. If you have a gay couple living next door and this affects YOUR marriage, run, don't walk, to your nearest divorce attorney. Seriously fast.

[Rigger4100]

So again back to Reality, Practicality, what your saying is they want ALL or Nothing. So fine its nothing because the Cali High Court is not reversing anything. Good luck with Civil Unions. You still want a Utopia not Gay Rights. Do you see the difference? Rights they can have now, Utopia will never happen. Forget these religious wackos on a magaphone, they have nothing to lose. Think about Rights, but like I said, its more about "Winning" the Fight than achieving rights. Oh Well.

[Rigger4100]

The Cost for the No on 8 Lobby is $50 Mil and counting upward. What if THAT money and energy was spent on getting the 1380 rights that they need to achieve equality of Civil Unions. Since Prop 8 is going to be upheld all that Money is wasted on arguing over a dumb word. If I was Gay I wouldnt care if they called it being "{Choose your word}" to my partner.

As long as I had my rights. In fact I may have prefered to call it something different and unique. But agian its about a Tantrum.

[Rigger4100]

Let me ask you this. If The Cali High courts grant EQUAL Civil Union Rights tommorow will that mean its all good as far as equal rights or is it REALLY about wanting to "WIN" a fight against the YES on 8 crowd so that you can own "marriage" as a word. In other words is it about Gay rights or about throwing a tantrum and being able to tell the world "Gays Won!" How bad do they want "Marriage" and How bad do the want the "rights" Answer: they dont even know.

[xusmcguy]

Rigger, you response is typical of most of the so-called-christians on here and everywhere else. Your pathetic attempt at asking a simple question is REALLY about your outright contempt and HATRED towards a segment of society that has NEVER and never WILL have ANY effect on YOUR or anyone else's LIFE!

Your a BIGOT, Rigger, FACE IT!

[Rigger4100]

Exactly thanks for proving my point, you are the typical Lefty, you have to divert from practicality in order to be more Utopian. Then all you have to do is call people names and start a catfight and in the meantime Gay Rights are going backwards not forwards and its because of you not me.

[peaceispatriotic7]

Yes, they do know what they want Rigger. They want to be EQUAL in EVERY aspect of what a straight marriage is. The yes people tried to be tricky and say it is just a definition, but read the complete voters guide. They knew most people do not read the guides and just watch media. The lies and deceat of the yes voters would blow you off your couch. Snakes come to mind. Religious? Church going? Doesn't mean shit if you have to lie to get your way. Truly sickening!

[thanatos101b]

At no point, and in no place have civil unions ever been equal to marriage. Even in the UK and California where they are stated, by law, to be equal there were massive differences .

You hypothetical speculation is nice and all, but some of us prefer live in the real world, which the only equality comes with "marriage."

[peaceispatriotic7]

Oops, I meant, thank you Sean!

[peaceispatriotic7]

There is a really, really, good reason to seperate church and state and the Prop 8 issue should be the Poster Child for the reason there should be a seperation. The Catholic religion banned birth control for hundreds of years. If that were still the case and we as women were told by our govenment that we could not, shit would hit the fan in America, big time. Does anyone see this kind of ramification? Seriously, scares the shit out of me.

[FOOLYCOOLY]

Yes on 8 rallies make me sick. Vicious, desperate hate speech from that one guy. You're either with Christ or you're a gay-brainwasher! Don the tinfoil hats! Grab the children! GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD!

[SeanChapin1]

There is so much power in the question "did we vote on your marriage?". There are people whose religion is based in a gay-loving God, and there are people whose religion condemns homosexuality. The thing is, both religions--really, every religion--have a right to freedom in America. Since our government rules on marriage strictly from a legal perspective, why is one religion taking away the rights of those who believe in another religion? Did we vote on your marriage? Hate is disgusting.

[peaceispatriotic7]

That you Sean. You bring up 2 good points. One, this is NOT a religious issue. It is a civil rights issue, but just for the sake of argument, let's make it a religious issue. If I am supposed to respect your religious views, not only respect them, but be dictated by them, what makes me not bellieve that the religious views of the men that flew planes into our building on 9/11 are not just as valid and justifys them doing it. If we are forced to respect your views, we MUST respect them all.

[ilovemireli]

what can that reason be, that marriage wont mean as much if gays arent allowed to get married?

if it didnt mean anything why would we be fighting for it?

does britney spears marriage in vegas mean so much to you that it will absolutly kill you if gays are allowed to marry?

you are an idiot

[Rigger4100]

If anyone on either side wants to win this debate they need to keep Religion completely out of it. There are plenty of non-religious reasons to Uphold Prop 8.

[thanatos101b]

Really? I can't think of a single one.

[pirish236]

Ok you made a statement now back it up? What are those reasons? And you better include where yo got it from.

[peaceispatriotic7]

Who are you talking too priish? Just curious?

[peaceispatriotic7]

The question the California Supreme Court is really faced with is this: Does a majority have the inalienable right to take away someones inalienable right? Look up inalienable in the dictionary. One of the Justices said that the Cal Supreme Court has never had to deal with this issue. If the GOP wants small Government, start by staying out of our bedrooms, churches, and doctors offices. The hypocracy is down right unbelievable.

[peaceispatriotic7]

One of the signs said, "The cost of sin is death". Last I heard we all die! WTF? This is a civil rights issue! My three month old daughter died and to the best of my knowledge she had not sinned. Just goes to show you how fucking ignorant the right wing conservatives are. What if 52% of California decided that it was against the law to express your religious views in public and overturned the 1st amendment? They keep this shit up, thats what will happen. Rights? You better be careful.

[FreedomUSA1]

This kind of hatred by Dittohead mobs probably sexually excited freaks like Matt Drudge.

[Jacksonholenativ]

God doesn't throw anyone into a lake of fire. These creeps are the inventors and renewers of the hell myth. Their fear is toxic.

[aykgotl]

"God" gave them a set of commandments in a book. One of the commandments is that two men can not have sex.

Another of the commands is that people can not wear clothes made out of two different types of fabric. Christians openly acknowledge that some Biblical laws are irrelevant to modern society. Doesn't that invalidate the infallibility of "God's Word?"

*facepalm*

Also - There's a child chanting at 8:45. Chilling.

lolworthy quote from megaphone man: "All gays hate democracy."

[peaceispatriotic7]

WTF and are you kidding? What commandment says that 2 men can not have sex? Democracy? Democracy is in the Constitution and the Constitution says that a majority can not take the rights from a minority. I know, I know, you have watched Bush for the last 8 years trash the Constitution and you have gotten used to it, but our Government really depends on it. OMG, wake up you guys.

[aykgotl]

peaceispatriotic7 - The Bible has very explicit instructions concerning homosexuals. The most quoted commandment against homosexuality is Leviticus 23:20 - "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

Heart-warming, isn't it?

[pirish236]

* If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

[pirish236]

* If a married person has sex with someone elses husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:22

[pirish236]

* Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced. Mark 10:1-12

[pirish236]

* The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a womans period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.Leviticus 18:19

[Rosie11Dancer]

To you pirish236: I run circles around your so-called god. Why, because I would never destroy people, just because they aren't kissing my ass. I have the balls to handle my own 'dirt-work' as opposed to god having people kill each other, just because someone had sex during their period.

I have more compassion in my toenail clippings than your god will have, period.

You, your ilk, and your punk-bitch of a god, can take the southbound A-train straight to hell, if there is one.

Rose11Dancer

[pirish236]

* If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir. Mark 12:18-27 * If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemys genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

[pirish236]

If someone tells you, "The bile says its a sin to be gay," You might want to ask them if they also think the things mentioned above are sins that should be met with the extreme punishments described.

[aykgotl]

That's almost exactly what I was getting at a few comments ago.

[aykgotl]

peaceispatriotic7 - I don't think you are reading my comments very well, because I'm not on religion's side. In fact, I'm gay as a three-dollar bill. Maybe you just couldn't hear my sarcasm (or my lisp, for that matter) when I referred to the murder of gays as "heartwarming."

[peaceispatriotic7]

Leviticus 23:20 is not a commandment. Other religious documents other than the Bible don't say this. My point is that you are basing your opinion on a quote from the Bible and feel that your beliefs out weigh any other religious beliefs. The word POMPUS comes to mind that you think YOUR religion is superior to any other and then think that you can dictate your beliefs through the political process. It is cool that you read the Bible, but first read the constitution. This is what this is about.

[thanatos101b]

Really any time someone says such things in relation to law, it is a bald faced appeal to establishing an American theocracy.

[Rigger4100]

Im for re-establishing American Democracy not a Theocracy. Im not against Religion but im saying that by arguing the scriptures by both sides no one ever gets anywhwere. It goes in circles. I say discuss it secularly. Prop 8 opposers dont want that because then they couldnt blame Christianity for all thier problems and would have to discuss it itlelligently instead of throwing around insults at the opposition (Hatefull, Biggots etc etc)

[thanatos101b]

Only one side brought the scriptures into anything. Only one said calls for the "sanctity" of marriage (distinctly religious word choice.)

Please give us a secular argument, lacking in religious prejudices and preconceived notions, for why anyone should support prop 8?

[pirish236]

That may be, but it's the verse that is used most often to justify their hate toward gays.

[radiofreerome]

What better illustration could there be that gays are a suspect class? Mormons say they were under an execution order so they were really persecuted. We're still under an execution order.

[peaceispatriotic7]

Hi radio, just thought I would chime in about the Mormon religion. I live in Southern California. I am a straight 50 year old Grandmother and voted no on 8. Whether the courts overturn 8 or not, my true hope is that the Mormon religion loses thousands and thousands of their church congregation because of this. They claim to be superior, but you would not believe how much they lied in the ads they made promoting yes on 8. It was insane. Shame, shame on them!

[jessikahelpsmovies]

Thanks for posting because I didn't know there was a court hearing... but seriously, this video makes me sick. Christian works promote "Love thy neighbour" "treat others how you would like to be treated" and that "All people are sinners; sin is for God to judge" ... These protests by so-called "Christians" are so hypocritical of the faith they claim to believe.

Hate is not a family value!!!

[Rigger4100]

I see more hate coming from the No on 8 crowd. I see more anger and beligerant activity and im not even religious.

[johnaryder]

Where's the videos of the hate from the No on 8 side? Where are the gays saying that Christians would kill all gay people if they could?

[radiofreerome]

That's called "Leviticus."

[ch5342]

Rigger4100

Read the signs on both sides.I think you may need glasses if you dont see where the hated is coming from.

[badpappy]

These ignorant "christians" think that the Bible was written in english. If they spent half as much time dealing with issues like hunger, the homeless, being good stewards of the planet and even the divorce rate, the world would be in a much better place. Jesus must be shaking his head at their hypocrisy.

[patrickometry]

Barbarity on video. Supremacist bigots on video. Hate on video.

[GwynnShadow]

I thought Jesus preached love, not hate.

NO ON 8!

[firecutter2]

no on 8

[firecutter2]

dude i'm not homosexual but how can you freakin judge people on there preferences. so if i write on a piece of paper that " whereing ahat is a sin"

we can have a riot on that

[yury2268]

aids is the cure for homosexuality

[ch5342]

WOW! How wonderful to see a bigot reunion! Keep all your bible trash talk all you want. Gay people will obtain full equality not tomorrow, but soon. Your kind is dying off and we are tired of your hatred.

NO ON 8!

[23Revan84]

Dont blame them, they are doing what they think is right like this no on prop 8, they think it is right.

[thanatos101b]

If they were doing what they were thinking was right, then they would simply not get gay married. No, they are impinging upon other humans' fundamental rights, which is undeniably evil.

[ch5342]

23Revan,

Theres a big difference between doing what one feels its right and being blind not to see further. 99.99% of the peple who support Prop 8 are absolutely uninformed, believe the lies the yes on 8 told them, or they are manipulated by their churches. There are tons of information out there to open anyones eyes, but many dont want to open them.

[23Revan84]

But how do you know what they are doing is right and what gay are doing is wrong ? And how do you know what gays are right and christians are wrong ? You dont know either we are guided by our conscience,

[Sheogorath64]

All I know is I need a scapegoat, a crutch for my hatred. Gays are an easy target because they are just like <5% of the population, and it's still acceptable to publicaly gay bash whereas if I try to bash black folks I'll get my ass kicked.

That's just how pathetic I am. I just want an enemy.

[aykgotl]

23Revan84 - Being "guided by one's conscience" is the most fallible way to construct an argument. If you want to win an argument you have to have sound logic. It just so happens that Christians' logic assumes the existence of the Hebrew god, which makes their logic unsound because of the lack of empirical evidence for their God.

[23Revan84]

LOL! See this is why I like to make such low arguments, to get assholes like yourself to come out, who think they are superior to all and no doubt smart. If bashing on God makes you feel better go ahead, bash something nonexistant. Also guilded by ones conscience or thought is the reason why you answered my question, because you have to. LOL !

[peaceispatriotic7]

You keep bringing up religion aykgott. I am all for seeking beliefs.. What would be heartwarming to me is to have someone stop you from marrying the person you love, regardless of your sexual orientation and see how you feel. If I were to respect YOUR religious beliefs, I have to respect them all. The men that flew airplanes into our buildings had VERY strong religious beliefs. Put away the Bible. Read the Constituion.

[ch5342]

"But how do you know what they are doing is right and what gay are doing is wrong ? And how do you know what gays are right and christians are wrong ? You dont know either we are guided by our conscience"

It is very simple. Gay people are basing his statements in science, law and history itself. Anti gay movements are basing their hatred in a bronze-aged book who interpret to their needs. Who do you think is 'right' and who do you think its 'wrong'?