You are all a bunchof racists. Look at all the good us "white man" have done for you maori!!!! Youve gone from stone age to fucken spae age in less thn 200 years!!! but you know what? Ill gladly give you alll your land back and leave "your" land but ill be taking everything weve given you. tvs, subarus, car stereos, modern medicine, written langauge, maths pyhsics kfc and you can keep your fucken flax skirts and stick huts
@nguha313 Tihei Mauriora! I completely agree with your sentiments about sleeping/pissing on waahi tapu. I wouldn't want anyone to go wandering into the graveyard of my grandfather or great-grandfather and do that, to do so would be disrespectful and disgusting. How hard is it to go and check with the locals before staying somewhere? And I also believe that it is to do with the tourists in campervans. Go hard with what your doing but make sure not to be dicks to us people who do check. Chur
For all you who do want to know, there is such a thing as Maori Land, this type of land is vested in the Crown, the only difference being that title to the land is divided with each new generation. Maori "customary" land however is a different class of land completely and is not vested in the Crown (see Section 129 (ss 1&2) Te Ture Whenua Māori Act 1993). There isn't much of it around, the majority being in the King Country and relative to the immediate case, in te Urewera National Park.
@worksend6 kiaora, you are right. there is not much maori land left. only about 6% of the whole of nz. its ours, always has been, always will be. maori land is unextinguished of the native title. we have the right to have our lands protected esp from outsiders who think they have a right to tresspass. its about respecting each others spaces. :) kai te mihi.
alex...ive given you a lot of material to research...you have a lot to learn about maori and our place in this country. my advice to you is to go and learn the history of nz propperly......go and learn some maori...and keep lobbying your govt for better signage, especially for wahi tapu and protecting tupuna....take care...
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to ask you something! With the long and populace history of the world, do you think that it is possible to walk anywhere on the face of the earth without stepping on the graves or remains of our ancestors. Such a thing is impossible, unavoidable. Protecting actual graveyards I can understand, but commandeering entire tracts of legally public land is treason against the country. And while history is being modified to suit individual interests...
if the local maori say, " there are graves from here to here, dont walk there...then the best thing is not to walk there...NOT...go there and camp because its " public land "...this is not about public land...its about pissing and shitting on maori land/graves/tupuna....
also...if "commandeering entire tracts of legally public land is treason against the country" then the nz govt should be tried for treason and abolished on the grounds that it has its self commandeered all of nz
@nguha313 Yes, but who does the government of New Zealand represent if it isn't all the people of New Zealand including the Maori? You seem to be representing only one tribe amongst the Maori people. Maori aren't the only people with a legal birthright to live in freedom in New Zealand. I understand that you are upset about people desecrating gravesites - if you have specific cemeteries, then mark them out somehow so that people will not go there.
@nguha313 To exclude non-Maori from certain areas (and there is documented video evidence of this right here on YouTube) is illegal and amounts to discrimination and racism. Nobody is telling you that your graveyards cannot be held sacred, but you need go through the proper channels. For better or worse, many races now live in New Zealand, people who were born there and have no right to move ad hoc back to the countries of their ethnic origins. It cannot be as it was before.
@nguha313 Also, can you please explain the connection between Maori land, graves and tipuna (I don't understand this word)? Are you perhaps suggesting that "Maori land" is all to be considered one vast graveyard? I wait for your reply.
sure thing.., maori have burried their dead here in nz for hundreds of years. in the past they burried their dead in places like caves, sides of hills, sand dunes and spits..etc. now, these sacred places are well known to the maori, and were set aside as wahi tapu ( sacred places ).....in some places the wahi tapu are ignored because local councils and residents are ignorant, in cases like this, they let the public eat sleep and drink on these places. thats wrong. they know better
@nguha313 Ok, you tell me that your dead are buried in places like caves, sides of hills, sand dunes, spits, etc. - first off, are you telling me that before approaching any topographical landmark (since your list is couched in such a way as not to be all inclusive), I must consider the possibility that there may be dead people buried in it? Bearing in mind that NZ is almost one vast landmark with only moderate areas of flat ground (compared, lets say, to Siberia or the American prairies)?
@nguha313 If you remember what I said about it being impossible, with the long and populace history of the world, to avoid stepping on the graves or remains of our ancestors. Bear in mind that every time you wash in the sea, you are bathing in the blood and ashes of my ancestors who were either killed in battle on the shores of foreign countries or burnt at the stake and their ashes thrown into the nearest river by the Catholics during their inquisitions and counter-reformations in Europe.
@Alex462047 "inquisitions and counter-reformations in Europe." has nothing to do with camping on maori graves in new zealand? nothing. keep to the topic......when i go to places like omaha beach in normandy, i observe the sacredness of the place and go to the toilets there if i need a piss. i would never go up to the memorial and piss on it. id be arrested and thrown in jail. but if you piss on a maori grave here in nz...nothing happens but people like you moan and go on about how its alright
@nguha313 I do wish that you would read all the comments that I have posted before you start quoting me out of context. Sure you respect the memorials in Normandy and a great many other places in Europe, but do you realise that, with all the wars there, there is no corner that you can piss in without pissing on someones grave or remains. These Maori graves that you are talking about are largely unmarked, and you don't seem to have any intention of marking them in order that the dead...
@Alex462047 i have not got the money to make all the signs for wahi tapu....i have not got the money to publish new maps that have maori wahi tapu on them, i have not got the money to police the areas in question. My combined income for 16 blocks of maori land was $ 15.30 PA. thats was for 38 hectares. information and signs should be done by the nz govt for all people, so everyone can rest assured they are in a good place and not trampling on old graves...
@nguha313 Well, it's your land, right? Non-Maori title holders don't have the benefit of the NZ Government furnishing signs for landmarks or areas of interest on their private land, so why should you? Sooner or later you have to help yourself.
@nguha313 ...are respected, and then you expect non-Maori to know where they are. If it was as simple as asking the locals, then I am sure that people would, but as long as people like you are so "anti-white man", it just isn't that easy. Correct me if I am wrong, but the locals, like the ones in Webb Matahi Valley 6th April 08, just aren't interested in you unless you pay them off. It stinks of corruption, Nguha, and that's why people don't ask those who are hostile.
@Alex462047 ok here you go trying to play race games again...." people like you are so "anti-white man" where have i ever gone on about so called "white man"....NOWHERE!!!!!!!! I ONLY EVER TALK ABOUT THE NZ GOVT!!!!! and as you know, the nz govt has all nationalities in it, including maori.....so again...dont go there and try and make this a race thing..........thats your thing not mine......
@nguha313 Is that so? Well I disagree. I quote from your comments to others below:... "we never fought that much with each other until the ballance (sic) of power was disrupted by the gun and behind the scenes meddling by influential pakeha."; "...we will win and you will loose (sic), y? cause the settlers messed it all up..."; "bad pakeha cant (sic) hide their shame anymore. we all know the truth. pakeha stole nz. you must pay, all of you..." ...most compelling evidence of racism and hate...
@Alex462047 not rascism...at that time it was the bad pakehua that came here and did that shit to us. pakeha is a name associated with non maori. thats you. and if you havent noticed already...i say BAD pakeha. i never say all pakeha, thats rascist...just the bad ones like tourque and examination...BTW are both the same person...
@nguha313 I continue to quote you:... "(to examinationboard 1 year ago)...u r the face of the bad whiteman..."; "...all hail mighty whiteman..." Only ever talk about the NZ Government, you say? Nowhere have you gone on about so-called "whiteman"? Liar! And if you think that this whole issue is anything other than a race game, then you are deluding yourself. The entire thing is built on race.
@Alex462047 people like you who say its alright to piss and shit on maori graves because maori dont have land? cause you cant see it on your new map? mate seriously, you need to lobby the nz govt to have sacred places of the maori recorded so you dont trample on graves and get introuble with the natives.....it not our fault you dont know where maori land is..........
@nguha313 People like me, you say. Well, I have never pissed, shit, camped or even had a picnic over the top of anyone's grave and furthermore I would never sanction it, as I have more respect for the dead than that. I also never said that the Maori didn't have land, but I did question your concept of Maori jurisdiction and title. And it isn't the fault of non-Maori that they don't know where unmarked land is or what significance you place on it. I never insulted you, so don't insult me.
@Alex462047 says, " I have never pissed, shit, camped or even had a picnic over the top of anyone's grave and furthermore I would never sanction it,"
thats what you are doing here, you are trying to sanction it on the grounds that its not maori land at all, maori dont have land because you couldnt see it on a nz map, the crown owns everything and to own non crown land is treason.
@nguha313 You are particularly quick to associate that conclusion with my process of argument, regardless of the fact that I find the desecration of graves abhorrent, in spite of the fact that there is no such conclusion to be drawn from the aforementioned process. You have made an offensive, gross assumption about my intentions.
@Alex462047 if you find it so abhorrent, then change tact and support this video my making a statement that maori graves...you said "Such a thing is impossible, unavoidable." NO ITS NOT! " Protecting actual graveyards I can understand," really? our graves not actual graves in your mind because according to you, maori have no land, it all belongs to the crown and all nzers? hahahahahaha......no it dont...as for assumptions, all comming from you im afraid. u assumed nz owned everything. wrong
@nguha313 No one says anything about my ancestors who were killed and thrown into the sea or killed in the sea. Will you suddenly respect my ancestors whose remains have been spread around the seabeds and foreshores of the world when I do the best I can to avoid stepping on yours? Do you know exactly to the last detail who of your ancestors was murdered where for whatever purpose and buried secretly in some unknown place, who you eat, sleep and drink all over in ignorance? Please, consider it.
@Alex462047 you are talking crazy, you are trying to tell me i dont respect you ancestors...where did i say that? i dont even know who you are, or where your ancestors came from. i have never gone around the worlds seabed or foreshore. I have never said anything about murders either. you are going on and on about things that have nothing to do with people camping for free on maori land and pissing and shiting on unmarked graves.
@nguha313 Please read what I have written more carefully, as I was drawing a comparison. What I said by way of example about one of your ancestors being murdered was simply to draw your attention to the fact that it is impossible to know where all of your ancestors are buried, and to claim all relevant landmarks as Maori burial places is crazy. You might as well turn around and say that the entire country is sacred and that no-one is allowed to eat, sleep or toilet anywhere.
@Alex462047 it you not reading things properly......ive never said..."all relevant landmarks as Maori burial places" where did i say all??????? ill say it again and again...if the local maori say this or that place is sacred and tapu...then it is and dont go there.....
this country has vast tracts of land that do not belong to the crown or nz public. it is privately owned maori free hold land. This land is regulated by the nz govt's maori land court, but is clearly owned by descendants of the original owners. when an owner dies, the land is passed on to that persons children. only some maori land has graves on it. and only a few of these graves are unmarked. when they are unmarked it is best to stay off it all together...stay away...or ask locals
@nguha313 About this, I have looked on a brand new map of NZ and can't find any areas of land that are marked "Maori land" or "Land under Maori Jurisdiction". Surely, if there were vast tracts of land, as you say, that were outside of crown, government or NZ public service control, then such land would surely be marked differently from the rest. And, you tell me that the land is free-hold Maori owned, regulated by the NZ govt's Maori Land Court.
@Alex462047 you are very confused about maori land. it is NOT crown and is free from the queens radical title. all maori land is searchable on the internet. you can even get pictures of each block plus the names of all the owners of EVERY block of land that is maori. there are different rules for the admin of maori land. you do not know this or you would not be saying things like " I have looked on a brand new map..." etc. its not my fault that whoever makes the maps dont put maori land on it.
@nguha313 I'm sorry, but I am sure that it is you who is confused about the authority of the Crown in relation to land and ownership of title. I don't dispute that Maori land is searchable on the internet, with pictures, owners names, etc. I am not even disputing that there are different rules for the administration of Maori land (although this is a clear case of double standards on the part of the authorities at best and racism at worst), but I am saying that the Maori Land Court is...
@Alex462047 im not confused at all. I live on maori freehold land, i know all about it. my whole community knows about it, we live it day in day out. I cant help that you dont know these things....these basic facts about maori and the crown. maori are not the crown, and the crown is not maori. we are two different things altogether. the crown is here because it signed the treaty of waitangi with some maori. maori and the crownn argue all the time, we are at odds with eachother about land issues
@Alex462047 the only double standards are the amount of red tape heaped on maori land that crown land is free from. if you buy crown land you can do a lot with it, maori land on the other hand is so regulated it is almost impossible to do anything with it. along with that, some acre blocks have 30,000 woners, not by maori design, but nz govt law. there is no rascism as people of all nationalities can own maori land, you just have to have a parent who is an owner.....dont go there alex
@nguha313 And why should I not go there? Is it because you are possibly trying to minimise the fact that Maori are interbred with races foreign to them to the point where, as of 1987, no full-blooded Maori remained any more and the overwhelming majority of nominally Maori people were more than three quarters white (YouTube will not permit me to insert the link for this reference). Is it possibly that you don't want the general population to be aware of this fact, but are preparing for all...
@Alex462047 hey....listen...i said that its not a race thing and not to go there....i have already told you that you can be a mix of any race and still own maori land. you just have to have a parent who is an owner...nowadays, that means both your parents can be white as snow and belong to the smith family and still own maori land.....there is no race quota. thats why im telling you not to go there...cause you are wrong. and there are full blooded maori alive and well in nz. you are wrong again.
@nguha313 ...eventualities as far as being accused of trying to be exclusive. Ah, all nationalities are welcome to own Maori land, as long as you have a parent, a Maori, who owns it. Even you know that there isn't a full-blooded Maori left - it couldn't be any other way, otherwise you would have to exclude more than three quarters of youself! But don't make too much noise about it now, will you. By the way, I quoted Dr Michael Basset before, details of which may be found on his personal website
@nguha313 ...an office of the Crown as represented by the New Zealand Government. Non-crown land would bespeak the existence of a separate country within the commonwealth of New Zealand, and promulgation of such a thing is ultimately treason against the Crown. Non-crown land would also therefore, obviously, not be administered by an office of the Crown. And if there is some kind of agreement, as you allege, recognising the sovereignty of the Maori separate from the Crown within New Zealand, ...
Get used to the fact now alex. Maori land is NOT land owned by the crown. you can not get a more simple answer than that. All treaty settlements have had some sort of land returning component, ie, the crown, has on many occasions, returned crown land to maori ownership. research kaitahu's settlement to see w2hat crown assets were given over to maori ownership. honestly, this is basic 101 knowledge for this subject.
@Alex462047 "of such a thing is ultimately treason against the Crown"
wrong, it is the crown that has to answer these questions in courts of law with maori.and, every now and again, maori will leave the table having secured more land back off the crown.when this happens the land is re classified as maori free hold land. it is no longer crown land. again,these are basic principals that are factual and easily checked with basic research.im sorry that you dont know much about this, not my fault
@nguha313 ...then you can be assured that it would be of such significance that all current or prospective New Zealand citizens would be aware of it. I don't believe you.
@Alex462047 again, it is NOT my fault that the average new zealander has NOT ONE CLUE about Maori land, or the issues surrounding it. i dont know what you are finding hard to believe. Its very simple. Maori had controll of all of nz, then made a deal with the crown to sell some of their land, but only to the crown. 170 years later 94% of NZ belongs to the crown, the remaining 6% is maori land. This is basic 101 knowledge. the remaining 6% is free of crown ownership, but is run under MLC rules.
@Alex462047 "You do realise that the Maori Land court is an office of the NZ Government,...."
exactly, thats why i said last week..."This land is regulated by the nz govt's maori land court, " cant you read? then you say..."Government is the representative of the British Crown, " no it is not...the nz govt is independant of the brittish crown, thats why the queen's offical title in nz is queen of nz. not britten. she has 19 different names.youd better do your homework first before you comment
@nguha313 The Queen is the Crown - yes, the New Zealand Government is independent of the British Government, but New Zealand is not a republic, it is a commonwealth country of the British Crown. That is why the Union Jack is on the New Zealand flag. The Queen is the queen of all her commonwealth countries, as you have observed.
@Alex462047 get the basics right first alex....New Zealand is a consistutional monarchy. Our monarch is called elizabeth II, she is queen of nz. she has 19 different formal identities, one seperate identity for each of her counties......our elizabeth is only queen of nz, australias queen elizabeth is only queen of aussie, same person, two different identities. again this is basic 101 knowedge easily researched.
@Alex462047 hey...do your own research.....i aint got the tim e to make wahi tapu signs for maori land, or to educate you on the basics of maori land 101. you gunna try and label me rascist for saying maori land?....lol.....anyway....hope you learnt something about maori and non maori ( pakeha) land .....if you are staying on maori land, make sure you ask the locals if its ok, dont just assume you have every right to be there..thats what this is all about, maori have rights too.anyway, take care
@nguha313 You do realise that the Maori Land court is an office of the NZ Government, and that the NZ Government is the representative of the British Crown, a proxy, and therefore your Maori Land Court is an office of the proxy of the Crown. All land in New Zealand is Crown-controlled, and when you purchase land free-hold, you are purchasing the title to the free use of the land from either the Crown or the last title-holder.
@nguha313 You must still pay rates and follow other administrative procedures when purchasing, selling or in ownership of the title to you land, and you still must apply for a Resource Consent to make significant alterations on you land or the nuildings on your land. Though I have to say that successive concessions on the part of successive governments have tilted the tables considerably in your favour compared to anyone else there, but that is a separate discussion altogether!
@Alex462047 (Corrections)You must still pay rates and follow other administrative procedures when purchasing, selling or in ownership of the title to your land, and you still must apply for a Resource Consent to make significant alterations on your land or the buildings on your land. Though I have to say that successive concessions on the part of successive governments have tilted the tables considerably in your favour compared to anyone else there, but that is a separate discussion altogether!
@Alex462047 ok...you last comment has nothing to do with the issue at hand, that is, the free camping on private land by people who are not owners or permitted to be there. this has nothing to do with rates, or resource consent. this has to do with non-land owners using the land without permission and doing poos and wees on unmarked graves. there are NO special favours to do with maori land, maori land is so tied up in red tape it is almost impossible to do anything with it.
Really stink to watch. I've seen the comments below, and it's got nothing really to do with the clip. The clips about tourist crapping on our graves, littering. Thant's just not on. Betta watch it, your dick might just fall off. What goes around, comes around. You wouldn't like it if I pissed on the Queen Mother.
Everybody knows Maori are the pests of new Zealand so why am i wasting my time trying to explain the truth to a little ugly Maori boy.
Time to shine some of my beliefs on to you boy...
It is time to commence the genoside on Maoris.
First we will get the Maori adults out of our way by bringing back one of the almighty Hitlers greatest death machines, the gas chamber...no time for maori slaves, they would kill themselfs
Ive been reading your words and although your ideas are typical of hate groups what is it that you are doing that is going to make a difference? You say you want to rid the country of Maori etc yet your extreme ideas doesn't seem to be getting any credible momentum. For some warped reason lets consider that your allegations are true. What are you going to do about it? There's alot of huff and puff but seriously how could you help this country move forward ?
@examinationboard Yeah, it's actually genocide....with a 'c'; and it should be 'of the' as opposed to 'on the' - at the end it's 'Maori' (no plural s). Technically the gas chamber wasn't a machine, just a room with a bunch of piping connected to a gas tank - oh and right there at the end that should be 'themselves' with a 'v', not 'f''. I won't even get started on your capitalisation there... what I want to know is can you spell 'owned'? So much for white superiority :)
@examinationboard I actually, like most people, used my brain...You're here preaching that you're somehow better than a Maori because you're white, making out white people have better education, morals and lives in general etc, but here's what I don't get: You went to Auckland Grammar school (you mis-spelled that on your profile btw) so it's safe to assume your family is well off financially - things most people can only dream of. You have a rich, caring family, probably a nice home ...
@polkadotpants@examinationboard ...a top education and are white - yet you still can't spell, you're unpleasant to say the least and you have all the moral fibre of a turd. You can have all the money in the world and be as white as milk bottle, but none of those things saved you from being a nasty cunt did they? As for not wanting to stick around to argue about spelling, I was just proving a point. I'm done with you now.
@polkadotpants I'm not a racist lets just get that out of the way, haha. I do however believe the maker of this video is a piece of shit for backing up a retard extorting money from road users. He based himself on a public road that was by his land, he had no right to scam people out of their money. Also his manner towards the (kinda annoying) camera-man was appalling. Please do not correct me on spelling or grammar as this is the internet, Grammar Nazis are not welcome here :3
@hamish501 I hear you but think of it from his perspective, pepole don't care about a cause until it's affected them, imagine you and your ancestors being treated like shit, despite nice little reminders that your loved ones are buried on that land - yet everyone ignores. I wouldn't like to lose money over it either but now that people are we have some attention yes? If people don't want to be in that predicament they should have been respectful in the first place so I have no sympathy
@polkadotpants As for the guy in the video I don't feel bad towards him, to be fair it's his channel and his video - I know if somebody pissed me off enough I might make a video like that myself so it's tit for tat really, here that attitude is somebody being polite so I can't say much on that lol. Of course I wouldn't correct your grammar, I don't see anything wrong with it! Anyway, that treatment is reserved for dicks and you don't seem like that other guy.
@polkadotpants I am Scottish & Irish, my people were put though far worse prejudice :P But back to the story... It's a public road. It is for the people of New Zealand and denying them that right is not ok. Sure the Maori were screwed from their land but they gained democracy and ARE treated as equals (now). They have no right to deny people of their rights and scamming and harassing road users is out of line. If you watch the original video you will the the man obviously does not contribute..
@polkadotpants If you watch the original video you will see the man taking the money is scum. He likes to wave the racism card to get sympathy and money. History is history we need to move on. This loser feels he can live harassing and abusing the people of New Zealand. Just another self-rigious Maori who thinks the whole world is racist.<-- and that is not a racist remark :P
@hamish501 My ancestors were Irish and could probably say the same, although that's not really the point since it's not a competition and all prejudice is wrong. I don't think we're going to agree on Maori having equal rights now, I personally know that's a load of bollocks and that's why alot are still so mad because people still can't see. I understand about the road, it's not people's fault but the government, yous should get together and demand they fix it - it should never have been there.
@polkadotpants You're right we don't have equal rights, Maori have far more than us. I used to look around at school to often see 'Maori only' careers and job offers also a whole lot of Maori only scholarships. Also I see Maori only positions in parliament but no 'Pakeha only' seats. The fact of the matter is we brought the Maori democracy and they are treated beyond that of a typical pakeha student as our government feels they have to 'make-up' for the injustice. We are all one country now
@polkadotpants so the land belongs to NEW ZEALAND it's not their own. If they want sections of land they have equal opportunity (even more in most cases) to get a good education and a job and actually contribute to society instead of laying around on the doll crying about stolen land. We are one country and they are trying to segregate it into Maori only territory which is racism in it self. If they want it, they can work for it. Thats how democracy works.
@hamish501 It does belong to the nation yes, and the Maori woyuld probably be happy to share land if it was going to be treated with respect; they're not exactly gonna welcome people to come along and relieve themselves on their ancestors graves though are they? As for the government going too far to compensate sure, in some cases that is true, but alot of them are still treated as second class citizens - maybe if they weren't having to guard their graves from being shat on more could work.
@polkadotpants The only Maori that are treated second class are the Maori that sit at home on the doll complaining the 'the white man' is out to get them. Also the world is a little more civil than that love. If they mark their graves they will be treated with respect just like every other graveyard in New Zealand. You realise the Maori wanted the Forshore to be 'Maori Only' right? Haha if whites wanted to use it they would have to pay a toll. It's just so funnyhow ignorently racist people canbe
@hamish501 Don't get me wrong, I do agree with some of what you're saying like marking the graves, the point is though it's not just the immediate burial area it's also the land surrounding it that's tapu - what would be more useful would be to fence the land off and stick up notices, then anybody caught purposely climbing over to relieve themselves should be fined, can't say much fairer really. As for the forshore that's a new one on me, I'll have to read up on that before I can say much
@polkadotpants This is totally unrelated but, what are the christmas cards like in NZ? I was just thinking it's summer there now so are the pictures summery?
@polkadotpants I see your not from Nz? So I wouldn't expect you to know about the foreshore. Basically the Maori believe they were here first so they own it and whites can't use it unless they pay a toll. I mean I see what you're saying but the Maori rights activists that walk around here are so blatantly racist but they are too ignorant to listen and compromise. It's either their way or no way and well... The law is on the side of the Nz public not the people causing segregation.
Whites cant use it unless they pay a toll...WTF?where did you pull that idea from? out of your ass. there has been a huge compromise in this country. we went from 100% ownership to a little under 6%. we compromised 96% of our lands. now you are moaning that we still have 6% of nz,you are calling it segregation? its not racist, you are making things up.you get maori land becauise your parents died and left it to you. your parent can be 1/4 maori 3/4 irish, race has nothing to do with it
@nguha313 It's not Maori land it's New Zealand land. Like it or not thats what it is. If you would like a portion of New Zealand's land you can work for it. You are not entitled to it just because your ancestors lived here first. Maori can bitch and moan about how their land was stolen (when it wasn't really) but if it wasn't for the English settlement NZ would not be as technological as it is today. Lucky the Spanish didn't invade and commit genocide for the land eh? Things worked out well.
".bitch and moan about how their land was stolen (when it wasn't really)"
are full of shit. go and actually read a court case from start to end and then come back and tell me nothing was stolen off the maori. learn something about the 1866 mass confiscations, schorched earth policy, invasions and mass murders.u r full of shit. BTW there are no what if's only what happened.the ONLY difference nwdays is if the spanish came, we'd be having this same conversation in spanish
@nguha313 The difference is the Maori would most likely be extinct... The English take over was fairly civil compared to what other nations would have done. And don't act like the Maori were completely innocent in this. Most of the killing of the Maoris was committed by Maori. We traded them guns, they went off and destroyed and pillaged. Fact is we won the war, Maori lost. We brought in Democracy,giving the Maori the right to earn the land for themselves. Its the way the world works hun.
@hamish501 I get what you're saying on some things, even agree on some stuff but something pissing me off is wether handing back land is right or wrong or whatever people still want to play down what was documented as attrocoties, to go on and say it was civil compared to what other nations would have done, to me doesn't justify it happening at all. Basically if the settlers didn't do what they did, there wouldn't be this problem now, but it did happen and everyone is stuck with the consequences
@polkadotpants Yeah but if they didn't settle New Zealand would not be a country today and it would still be full of Maori civil war (that's if they could survive this far on their own). Democracy is the greatest gift a civilization can receive but it's tough when the natives are uneducated and tribal. Democracy would not have been accepted if the English ran in holding daisies preaching peace.
@hamish501 I agree democracy is a great gift, but wouldn't real democracy be giving the natives a democratic choice wether to recieve it? To me it boils down to the sovreignty saw something it wanted and took it it under the guise of being charitable, the Maori fought amongst themselves but were at least happy to do so, it wasn't anybody's right to walk in and say I don't agree with this savagery, this is how to live. I was wondering if their are any films about the Land Wars I can look up?
@polkadotpants I'm sure there is some if you take a look around Discovery channel or something like that. I'm sorry but "at least happy to do so" doesn't make much sense. A constant state of war between savage tribes is not a 'happy' life. They had no knowledge of life outside of warfare so it's fair to say their savage habits would be hard to break which caused the disputes. Btw I'm glad to have this civil argument with you^^ I get shot down by alotof Maori activists who don't like my views :P
@hamish501 Cheers, I'll have a look and keep my fingers crossed. I meant happy to do so as in not causing crap for anybody outside of NZ and they were pretty much self contained - that and to Maori warfare was just one of those things and a part of their culture. I think the Maori would have had enough brain power to theorise what a life without war would be like, it just mustn't have appealed. What I'm trying to get across is the settlers had no right to walk in and say 'that's wrong'
@polkadotpants Me too, I love a good debate - I could so whoop your ass... but I prefer being civil since then it gets beyond name calling and actually into the meat of an issue
@hamish501 keep an eye on the national geographic channel for upcomming stories from tuhoe. youll be glad to know they came to me and my partner to film their show and put us in their magazine. neat alright. they come to us because we know what we are talking about. as for life out of warfare, eh, we never fought that much with eachother until the ballance of power was disrupted by the gun and behind the scenes meddling by influental pakeha
@hamish501 nz was a country in every right in 1835 when the confederation of rangatira had their flag and nation recognised by the king of england. it is called the declaration of independence 1835. it made nz a sovereign nation, and it made the maori the sovereign rulers. maori have NEVER ceeded their sovereignty, not even in the treaty......
@hamish501 the first I've heard of those tolls, can you direct me to any literature about it? I think it's more a point being made, claiming back land and the government stating it's theirs again, considering it was to begin with but forcibly taken, I'm sure they'd let people use that land respectively? Settler's ancestors didn't ask to be put there and the Maori didn't want to be disturbed, of course there's always gonna be alot of friction and ill feelings about it.
I'm sick of wasting my day talking to you, i have made my point...you can keep on commenting on your own video mate thats entirely up to you, but you are a bore to me.
Sorry i cant read the three comments you have just sent me because it probably contains another one of you fairy tails...
GET OUT OF THE INTERNET CAFE AND GO TO SCHOOL YOU LITTLE SHIT...BECAUSE REMEMBER YOUR HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY SO YOU CANT HAVE A COMPUTER.
nah mate, you are sick of being proved wrong with your stupid atttacks and combacks. the education thing, you were wrong, the total control thing? i have more total control than you, the housing thing? again you were very wrong in your assumptions.
id not want to talk to me anymore either after getting such a hiding from me today. i told you at the start, you can not back up lies. the truth always wins in a court of law. we will win, and you will loose. y? cause the settlers messed it all up...
I suppose on your unmarked "Maori (scum) land" you don't have any power supply or water supply, hell you probably have to use a long drop because you wouldn't have any piping.
Because my friend, you would have to pay rates to use government facility's to bring these services to you.
You also wouldn't be able to hire a plumber you wouldn't be able to hire an electrician...
hahaha we got power, water, wireless, banks of servers, internet, visa cards, cell phones etc...hell boi.. technology has got a lot smaller since you were at school grandad. all the natives OF THE WORLD have the internet now. bad pakeha cant hide their shame anymore. we all know the truth. pakeha stole nz. you must pay, all of you....
you do not have full contol over your home, only your homo.
seriously, you cant do shit at your house or land unless you conform to the law as prescribed by you local council, pay them to ok it, pay them to inspect it, pay them to maintain it etc etc. you are living in a dream world if you think you have full control over you property, dreaming. my maori land is non rateable and we pay no rates at all, ever! we build what we want where and when we want. thats real total control boi.
the government requires all these checks and approvals to ensure our safety and convenience, you seem to have a problem with everything the government does.
I am very happy with the fact that i require permission to construct on my land and safety check up's to ensure my safety. if you have some problems with the way the government runs new zealand then get the fuck out of here.
what? you are a dick. u try and tell me you have total control of your lands and the maori dont. now you tell me you are happy with being told what to do. fuck, a great builder can build the worlds safest house with out ever knowing what a city council is. you just a slave to the system. fat and happy with your little slice of stolen goods, sleeping easy thinking u are safe cause the .govt wont ever let those maori get theior stuff back..buzz wrong, well get it alright...
"not that that has anything to do with this conversation"
eh, you fuckin brought it up dick....now you cant see why we are talking about it? is that how you roll? all mental and shit? you just flustering yourself boi, cant keep up with the big boys. you have already been wrong at least twice today. remember you statehouse buzz? eh..U WRONG! haha and your total control bullshit? buzz wrong again.. this is too easy...u are all shit ow...
hahahaha i can use thousands of words u have no understanding of whatsoever. and what? u callin me illiterate thinking you all that? thinkin you all better than me? how can that be? you're not any better than me at all. im very literate hahahaha...i can read and write... hahahahaha u saying i should be in school? hahahaha i am. im the teacher...aint that a blast, im teaching the history of the NSW govt and activism 101. fuckin neat eh...maori got some out of it teachers eh? we not brainwashed
No school would hire such a deranged Maori activist.
Professional tutors of even the most basic and low decile schools of new Zealand wouldn't be using such senseless, foul language like the ones you are messaging me with, also adding hahahaha into every sentence you type is becoming quite the annoyance for me, and you are just coming off as stupid.
oh yes they do sonny boi, im fully qualified in your top pakeha universities. i have a number of graduate diplomas in various areas and a bachelors degree in education. and what? my skills are in hot demand in any school in the country and i assure u, if your kids school had a job vacancy at their school and i applied, i would be guaranteed at least an interview and would be a shoe in for any position. schools love me cause im a great worker and know my stuff...hahahaha u no shit. c? maori win
And that takes me back to my very point bout our culture.
1. Pakeha only have records of our country on their arrival
2. Maori existed at least 1000 yrs before this.
3. Ignorant people cannot understand why Maori get upset about a "piece of land" as though it is something bought or sold given we have a history prior to Pakeha arrival.
4. Anyone would get upset if they were kicked off "purchased land" they owned for 50yrs. Now consider Maori had the land for over 1000yrs with history on it.
interesting that when u buy a car thats stolen you have to give it back.
interesting they put that much effort into a fuckin car, but maori stolen land? fuck...what a bunch of robbers the pakeha are. one law for the pakeha taonga, annother law for the maori taonga. fuck the system. corrupt as
what about them? they got wasted by sailors boi. they got wasted by the bugs carried by white sailors, syphilis, gonorrhea and the like way before taranaki went over there. and why did the maori have to go there anyway? cause the pakeha stole taranaki and booted them off. besides, out of that place was born on of the greatest guerilla resistance armies to face off and beat the english army time and time again. the pakehas vietnam, 1840's styles, dished ot to them by the maori, sons of gods....
"Maori children.....cages" wow you really do have issues. Why do you make such a statement? Be reassured we do have a Health system that caters for your sickness and because Ive paid my taxes, I dont mind doing so if you are going to get help for this as the whole country will benefit from it.
You cant seem to respond to any of my points yet you're quick to highlight the obvious and attempt to insult. Your here for yourself not NZ. Go back to school. No reply needed.
Well here we go "Maori must die.....tourists back to our country" You're just as bad as the activists you hate. Your only solution to a problem is through violence, similar to that of Adolf Hitler. Extinct? Are you sure about this? Have you checked the latest NZ census? This suggests otherwise. As for Maori having "as much rights as a standard citizen" well the NZ Government doesnt seem to think so given their support for Maori initiatives. Far fetched from what we want but at least its a start.
Maori are the shame of new zealand... i have grown over the fact that Maori have no respectable rights over this country...instead i wish harm to their people and children.
It is hardly debatable that Maori are a useless embarrassment to this country .
As you probably do not know already because you have never payed taxes...but we are paying taxes for the development of our country...it is just a shame our government has to give most of it away to parasitic brown savages like the Maoris.
You obviously have alot of hate but it seems you need to look in your own backyard (i dont mean literally).
1. "maori are the shame of NZ?" Yet NZ is what it is today because of the Maori cultural values.
2. you have "grown up.....over this country" implies you're poorly informed over the facts or typically try to run away from it rather than address it.
3. My business pays more taxes than you do because I retired at 30yrs
4. You attack Maori people indicating a racist. I dont have time for you
oooo i can use da big wurds illiterate ooo look at me im all tough and brainy, ooooooo.
hahahaha u r a big joke. you are the last of a line of gready gready nasty people. u r the face of the bad whiteman. the nasty bullies how lied and cheated and stole a country. u have no new arguments to offer any serious debate. all of what u have to say has already been proved wrong, just like brad, talk, george, dot and all the others who have been here before and lost face cause they cant back up lies...
We have taken ownership of this country a long time ago, now you have as much rights as a standard NZ Citizen. Wait, theres still maybe the few acres of land the government will temporarily give you to shut you up.
Maori claim to "own" this land, The definition of "owning" is:
-To have or possess as property
-To have full control over that property.
You don't have any control...just be glad we have taken you under our wing, for now.
do you have full control over yours? or are u just a puppet slave of the taxman?hahaha u a slave of the taxman.
2, what pakeha have trouble understanding, is that the land and governance issues imposed on maori was all very illegal, and sooner or later, new zealand will have to answer to the world at the united nations. the united nations will act in time and we will rule in our favor. we will have our rangatiratanga and own .govt...
The united nations will choose what is best for the country.
What I'm saying is, is that my people have succeeded in taking this unique piece of land off your pathetic race. now new Zealand is a very peaceful multicultural civilized country.
Why would anyone in their right minds take away such peace and give it to such an under developed race.
Maori will survive under the wing of the government but will never succeed in the real world...your just a tourist attraction now.
the un has time and time again ruled in favor of the maori. time and time again the nz govt has IGNORED the un. well, how long do you think the un will put up with a tiny little white nz govt disrespecting the honor of the toher 191 countries? not much longer. you racist to call maori an underdeveloped race. maori can do anything a pakeha man or woman can do. thats a fact. so why did you say that? you a fuckwit, thats why. u a dickless cock sucker angry son of a thief. all hail mighty whiteman
These idiots represent themselves and not Maoridom. Im proud to be Maori and will always be. But these freaks need to learn to use there time more effectively, like educating there stupid selves. You can benefit our people through this crap.
i represent me donkeydong. u represent who ever u want to. personally tho, i dont think i could rep the same as you, i'd prefer to rep something that doesnt allow camping on their dead, or the desecration of their mana by letting free loaders, who are too cheep to pay $5 per nigh less that 5kms away, eat, sleep, piss and shit on tipuna maori. by the sounds of it, you dont give a fuck, it's probably not your tipuna being shit on. btw, i bet my pakehua education is far better that your one. l8rs
Also by the way you respond to others I doubt your "pakehua education is far better" than my qualificaitons. And even so it matters not. What matters is what you are doing with those qualifications to benefit our people? I choose to use it to work their own system against them,in peace. Ive got no hara against you at all as my whakapapa traces back to Ueoneone and Reitu. I spit on any desrespectful act against our Tipuna. This vid portrays you as a violent hooligan. I comment on that only.
your "These idiots...educating there stupid selves." thats what pakeha do, assume maori have no education. you sounded very pakehuafied. my videos are an utu. utu for similar ones posted by pakehua. my yin to their yan. this one all starts with waimana. matahi.
fuck their system up the bumbum. none of it is valid or legal or moral or just. its a big game. the sooner all maori have nothing to do with it the better. 620,000 people cant all be arrested on their own whenua. we proved it with rates
I don't know where you get your facts from you stupid bush Maori....
Your video skills suck and your immaturity brings shame to this country...
Maori are 12% and We are 78% now how does your undeveloped Maori brain work out that your are taking the country back you fucking nigger...rednecks are Americans and I'm European so get your facts right bush man....
i made them up like u did. i did mine on purpose to rark u up, u did ypurs to be an egg.
real answer for 2008? 'bout 15%
6429000 as a % of 4,268,900=15.06008573637236%
thats 128067 more maori that your guess of 12%.
as for redknecks? thats u to a t. a redkneck is an unsophisticated whiteperson from us and canada, true, it also applies when a maori says it to a pakeha. our black brothers and sisters let us use it.
Alright mate, your comments are telling me that you are extremely uneducated and also indicating that you are a maori activist. please
We are running everything, paying taxes to feed your fat pathetic race and when we came to this country we found bush Maoris that had no building, no civilization nothing...
Why do you think the signing of the waitangi treaty is called the founding of nz.
1. If your "paying taxes to feed your fat pathetic race" whose the idiot then?
2. There is no such word as Maoris, Maori is plural.
3. The Treaty of Waitangi is said to be our founding document indicating a record of an aspirational partnership between European and Maori rather than "the founding of NZ".
4. "before the white man came, we had no debt, no taxes and women did all the work. They wanted to improve this system." (An indian proverb)
it's not the founding of nz. that was founded much earlier cok nose. didnt u know? nah u dont...thats cause u spent too much time with your head up your arse believing shit handed down to you by a bunch of robbers and evil settlers. u cant hurt me and donkleydong with your basless verbal spewing...WE KNOW EVERYTHING pakeha did to steal this country. u still spreading anti maori propaganda from the 1850's. its over..we will wil, we have justice on our side, all pakeha have is lies, and more lies.
omg i have done a youtube search on anything tuhoe because i am in australia and watching these videos make me feel so proud of who i am ... and unfortunately for me i see your stupid dumb ass comments on every single one of them grrr you stupid mother fucker, if u hate what you see, why are you watching these videos?! Obviously you have too much time on your hands...
Nguhu313 keep doing your thing :) im going to subscribe :)
"Dontgetblls".I'm enjoying my life here in Beautiful Aotearoa,out in the fresh air and outdoors,happily paying my taxes which I am pleased to know contributes to the claims that Maori have every right to pursue.
I am a contented Pakeha aknowledging that this country is Whenua Maori.
You on the other hand ran away with your tail between your legs,whimpering.
when you ever come back you will see the new flag of Aotearoa flying proudly over a Maori parliament.Tinorangatiratanga.!
dont you mean dumb hori? there is no 's' in the maori language. otherwise you're saying that horis is dumb. i dont even know a horis, but i know a boris. he's russian...
done dealhave to be when I get back from the fishing boat I back out antime soon but we keep in touch in the meantime you keep catching and eating those fucking campers a?..keep up the good work
You are all a bunchof racists. Look at all the good us "white man" have done for you maori!!!! Youve gone from stone age to fucken spae age in less thn 200 years!!! but you know what? Ill gladly give you alll your land back and leave "your" land but ill be taking everything weve given you. tvs, subarus, car stereos, modern medicine, written langauge, maths pyhsics kfc and you can keep your fucken flax skirts and stick huts
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thedujong 1 month ago
@thedujong rock apes eh?.... you are the fuckin ape you jerk!!!!!
nguha313 1 month ago
@nguha313 Tihei Mauriora! I completely agree with your sentiments about sleeping/pissing on waahi tapu. I wouldn't want anyone to go wandering into the graveyard of my grandfather or great-grandfather and do that, to do so would be disrespectful and disgusting. How hard is it to go and check with the locals before staying somewhere? And I also believe that it is to do with the tourists in campervans. Go hard with what your doing but make sure not to be dicks to us people who do check. Chur
worksend6 6 months ago
For all you who do want to know, there is such a thing as Maori Land, this type of land is vested in the Crown, the only difference being that title to the land is divided with each new generation. Maori "customary" land however is a different class of land completely and is not vested in the Crown (see Section 129 (ss 1&2) Te Ture Whenua Māori Act 1993). There isn't much of it around, the majority being in the King Country and relative to the immediate case, in te Urewera National Park.
worksend6 6 months ago
@worksend6 kiaora, you are right. there is not much maori land left. only about 6% of the whole of nz. its ours, always has been, always will be. maori land is unextinguished of the native title. we have the right to have our lands protected esp from outsiders who think they have a right to tresspass. its about respecting each others spaces. :) kai te mihi.
nguha313 6 months ago
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worksend6 6 months ago
alex...ive given you a lot of material to research...you have a lot to learn about maori and our place in this country. my advice to you is to go and learn the history of nz propperly......go and learn some maori...and keep lobbying your govt for better signage, especially for wahi tapu and protecting tupuna....take care...
nguha313 9 months ago
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to ask you something! With the long and populace history of the world, do you think that it is possible to walk anywhere on the face of the earth without stepping on the graves or remains of our ancestors. Such a thing is impossible, unavoidable. Protecting actual graveyards I can understand, but commandeering entire tracts of legally public land is treason against the country. And while history is being modified to suit individual interests...
Alex462047 10 months ago
@Alex462047
if the local maori say, " there are graves from here to here, dont walk there...then the best thing is not to walk there...NOT...go there and camp because its " public land "...this is not about public land...its about pissing and shitting on maori land/graves/tupuna....
also...if "commandeering entire tracts of legally public land is treason against the country" then the nz govt should be tried for treason and abolished on the grounds that it has its self commandeered all of nz
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Yes, but who does the government of New Zealand represent if it isn't all the people of New Zealand including the Maori? You seem to be representing only one tribe amongst the Maori people. Maori aren't the only people with a legal birthright to live in freedom in New Zealand. I understand that you are upset about people desecrating gravesites - if you have specific cemeteries, then mark them out somehow so that people will not go there.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@nguha313 To exclude non-Maori from certain areas (and there is documented video evidence of this right here on YouTube) is illegal and amounts to discrimination and racism. Nobody is telling you that your graveyards cannot be held sacred, but you need go through the proper channels. For better or worse, many races now live in New Zealand, people who were born there and have no right to move ad hoc back to the countries of their ethnic origins. It cannot be as it was before.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@nguha313 Also, can you please explain the connection between Maori land, graves and tipuna (I don't understand this word)? Are you perhaps suggesting that "Maori land" is all to be considered one vast graveyard? I wait for your reply.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047
sure thing.., maori have burried their dead here in nz for hundreds of years. in the past they burried their dead in places like caves, sides of hills, sand dunes and spits..etc. now, these sacred places are well known to the maori, and were set aside as wahi tapu ( sacred places ).....in some places the wahi tapu are ignored because local councils and residents are ignorant, in cases like this, they let the public eat sleep and drink on these places. thats wrong. they know better
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Ok, you tell me that your dead are buried in places like caves, sides of hills, sand dunes, spits, etc. - first off, are you telling me that before approaching any topographical landmark (since your list is couched in such a way as not to be all inclusive), I must consider the possibility that there may be dead people buried in it? Bearing in mind that NZ is almost one vast landmark with only moderate areas of flat ground (compared, lets say, to Siberia or the American prairies)?
Alex462047 9 months ago
@nguha313 If you remember what I said about it being impossible, with the long and populace history of the world, to avoid stepping on the graves or remains of our ancestors. Bear in mind that every time you wash in the sea, you are bathing in the blood and ashes of my ancestors who were either killed in battle on the shores of foreign countries or burnt at the stake and their ashes thrown into the nearest river by the Catholics during their inquisitions and counter-reformations in Europe.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 "inquisitions and counter-reformations in Europe." has nothing to do with camping on maori graves in new zealand? nothing. keep to the topic......when i go to places like omaha beach in normandy, i observe the sacredness of the place and go to the toilets there if i need a piss. i would never go up to the memorial and piss on it. id be arrested and thrown in jail. but if you piss on a maori grave here in nz...nothing happens but people like you moan and go on about how its alright
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 I do wish that you would read all the comments that I have posted before you start quoting me out of context. Sure you respect the memorials in Normandy and a great many other places in Europe, but do you realise that, with all the wars there, there is no corner that you can piss in without pissing on someones grave or remains. These Maori graves that you are talking about are largely unmarked, and you don't seem to have any intention of marking them in order that the dead...
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 i have not got the money to make all the signs for wahi tapu....i have not got the money to publish new maps that have maori wahi tapu on them, i have not got the money to police the areas in question. My combined income for 16 blocks of maori land was $ 15.30 PA. thats was for 38 hectares. information and signs should be done by the nz govt for all people, so everyone can rest assured they are in a good place and not trampling on old graves...
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Well, it's your land, right? Non-Maori title holders don't have the benefit of the NZ Government furnishing signs for landmarks or areas of interest on their private land, so why should you? Sooner or later you have to help yourself.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 you told me there is no private non-crown land. you say ALL land belongs to the crown!!???!!!
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 ...are respected, and then you expect non-Maori to know where they are. If it was as simple as asking the locals, then I am sure that people would, but as long as people like you are so "anti-white man", it just isn't that easy. Correct me if I am wrong, but the locals, like the ones in Webb Matahi Valley 6th April 08, just aren't interested in you unless you pay them off. It stinks of corruption, Nguha, and that's why people don't ask those who are hostile.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 ok here you go trying to play race games again...." people like you are so "anti-white man" where have i ever gone on about so called "white man"....NOWHERE!!!!!!!! I ONLY EVER TALK ABOUT THE NZ GOVT!!!!! and as you know, the nz govt has all nationalities in it, including maori.....so again...dont go there and try and make this a race thing..........thats your thing not mine......
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Is that so? Well I disagree. I quote from your comments to others below:... "we never fought that much with each other until the ballance (sic) of power was disrupted by the gun and behind the scenes meddling by influential pakeha."; "...we will win and you will loose (sic), y? cause the settlers messed it all up..."; "bad pakeha cant (sic) hide their shame anymore. we all know the truth. pakeha stole nz. you must pay, all of you..." ...most compelling evidence of racism and hate...
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 not rascism...at that time it was the bad pakehua that came here and did that shit to us. pakeha is a name associated with non maori. thats you. and if you havent noticed already...i say BAD pakeha. i never say all pakeha, thats rascist...just the bad ones like tourque and examination...BTW are both the same person...
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 I continue to quote you:... "(to examinationboard 1 year ago)...u r the face of the bad whiteman..."; "...all hail mighty whiteman..." Only ever talk about the NZ Government, you say? Nowhere have you gone on about so-called "whiteman"? Liar! And if you think that this whole issue is anything other than a race game, then you are deluding yourself. The entire thing is built on race.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 when a person come here and starts saying things like...
"parasitic brown savages like the Maoris.
"Maori must die...we have to slaughter all the Maori children"
"why not steal land off such an uneducated piece of SHIT race"
then they in deed are the face of the bad whitman and will be spoken to as such.
nguha313 9 months ago
@Alex462047 people like you who say its alright to piss and shit on maori graves because maori dont have land? cause you cant see it on your new map? mate seriously, you need to lobby the nz govt to have sacred places of the maori recorded so you dont trample on graves and get introuble with the natives.....it not our fault you dont know where maori land is..........
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 People like me, you say. Well, I have never pissed, shit, camped or even had a picnic over the top of anyone's grave and furthermore I would never sanction it, as I have more respect for the dead than that. I also never said that the Maori didn't have land, but I did question your concept of Maori jurisdiction and title. And it isn't the fault of non-Maori that they don't know where unmarked land is or what significance you place on it. I never insulted you, so don't insult me.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 says, " I have never pissed, shit, camped or even had a picnic over the top of anyone's grave and furthermore I would never sanction it,"
thats what you are doing here, you are trying to sanction it on the grounds that its not maori land at all, maori dont have land because you couldnt see it on a nz map, the crown owns everything and to own non crown land is treason.
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 You are particularly quick to associate that conclusion with my process of argument, regardless of the fact that I find the desecration of graves abhorrent, in spite of the fact that there is no such conclusion to be drawn from the aforementioned process. You have made an offensive, gross assumption about my intentions.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 if you find it so abhorrent, then change tact and support this video my making a statement that maori graves...you said "Such a thing is impossible, unavoidable." NO ITS NOT! " Protecting actual graveyards I can understand," really? our graves not actual graves in your mind because according to you, maori have no land, it all belongs to the crown and all nzers? hahahahahaha......no it dont...as for assumptions, all comming from you im afraid. u assumed nz owned everything. wrong
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 No one says anything about my ancestors who were killed and thrown into the sea or killed in the sea. Will you suddenly respect my ancestors whose remains have been spread around the seabeds and foreshores of the world when I do the best I can to avoid stepping on yours? Do you know exactly to the last detail who of your ancestors was murdered where for whatever purpose and buried secretly in some unknown place, who you eat, sleep and drink all over in ignorance? Please, consider it.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 you are talking crazy, you are trying to tell me i dont respect you ancestors...where did i say that? i dont even know who you are, or where your ancestors came from. i have never gone around the worlds seabed or foreshore. I have never said anything about murders either. you are going on and on about things that have nothing to do with people camping for free on maori land and pissing and shiting on unmarked graves.
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Please read what I have written more carefully, as I was drawing a comparison. What I said by way of example about one of your ancestors being murdered was simply to draw your attention to the fact that it is impossible to know where all of your ancestors are buried, and to claim all relevant landmarks as Maori burial places is crazy. You might as well turn around and say that the entire country is sacred and that no-one is allowed to eat, sleep or toilet anywhere.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 it you not reading things properly......ive never said..."all relevant landmarks as Maori burial places" where did i say all??????? ill say it again and again...if the local maori say this or that place is sacred and tapu...then it is and dont go there.....
nguha313 9 months ago
@Alex462047
this country has vast tracts of land that do not belong to the crown or nz public. it is privately owned maori free hold land. This land is regulated by the nz govt's maori land court, but is clearly owned by descendants of the original owners. when an owner dies, the land is passed on to that persons children. only some maori land has graves on it. and only a few of these graves are unmarked. when they are unmarked it is best to stay off it all together...stay away...or ask locals
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 About this, I have looked on a brand new map of NZ and can't find any areas of land that are marked "Maori land" or "Land under Maori Jurisdiction". Surely, if there were vast tracts of land, as you say, that were outside of crown, government or NZ public service control, then such land would surely be marked differently from the rest. And, you tell me that the land is free-hold Maori owned, regulated by the NZ govt's Maori Land Court.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 you are very confused about maori land. it is NOT crown and is free from the queens radical title. all maori land is searchable on the internet. you can even get pictures of each block plus the names of all the owners of EVERY block of land that is maori. there are different rules for the admin of maori land. you do not know this or you would not be saying things like " I have looked on a brand new map..." etc. its not my fault that whoever makes the maps dont put maori land on it.
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 I'm sorry, but I am sure that it is you who is confused about the authority of the Crown in relation to land and ownership of title. I don't dispute that Maori land is searchable on the internet, with pictures, owners names, etc. I am not even disputing that there are different rules for the administration of Maori land (although this is a clear case of double standards on the part of the authorities at best and racism at worst), but I am saying that the Maori Land Court is...
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 im not confused at all. I live on maori freehold land, i know all about it. my whole community knows about it, we live it day in day out. I cant help that you dont know these things....these basic facts about maori and the crown. maori are not the crown, and the crown is not maori. we are two different things altogether. the crown is here because it signed the treaty of waitangi with some maori. maori and the crownn argue all the time, we are at odds with eachother about land issues
nguha313 9 months ago
@Alex462047 the only double standards are the amount of red tape heaped on maori land that crown land is free from. if you buy crown land you can do a lot with it, maori land on the other hand is so regulated it is almost impossible to do anything with it. along with that, some acre blocks have 30,000 woners, not by maori design, but nz govt law. there is no rascism as people of all nationalities can own maori land, you just have to have a parent who is an owner.....dont go there alex
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 And why should I not go there? Is it because you are possibly trying to minimise the fact that Maori are interbred with races foreign to them to the point where, as of 1987, no full-blooded Maori remained any more and the overwhelming majority of nominally Maori people were more than three quarters white (YouTube will not permit me to insert the link for this reference). Is it possibly that you don't want the general population to be aware of this fact, but are preparing for all...
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 hey....listen...i said that its not a race thing and not to go there....i have already told you that you can be a mix of any race and still own maori land. you just have to have a parent who is an owner...nowadays, that means both your parents can be white as snow and belong to the smith family and still own maori land.....there is no race quota. thats why im telling you not to go there...cause you are wrong. and there are full blooded maori alive and well in nz. you are wrong again.
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 ...eventualities as far as being accused of trying to be exclusive. Ah, all nationalities are welcome to own Maori land, as long as you have a parent, a Maori, who owns it. Even you know that there isn't a full-blooded Maori left - it couldn't be any other way, otherwise you would have to exclude more than three quarters of youself! But don't make too much noise about it now, will you. By the way, I quoted Dr Michael Basset before, details of which may be found on his personal website
Alex462047 9 months ago
@nguha313 ...an office of the Crown as represented by the New Zealand Government. Non-crown land would bespeak the existence of a separate country within the commonwealth of New Zealand, and promulgation of such a thing is ultimately treason against the Crown. Non-crown land would also therefore, obviously, not be administered by an office of the Crown. And if there is some kind of agreement, as you allege, recognising the sovereignty of the Maori separate from the Crown within New Zealand, ...
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047
Get used to the fact now alex. Maori land is NOT land owned by the crown. you can not get a more simple answer than that. All treaty settlements have had some sort of land returning component, ie, the crown, has on many occasions, returned crown land to maori ownership. research kaitahu's settlement to see w2hat crown assets were given over to maori ownership. honestly, this is basic 101 knowledge for this subject.
nguha313 9 months ago
@Alex462047 "of such a thing is ultimately treason against the Crown"
wrong, it is the crown that has to answer these questions in courts of law with maori.and, every now and again, maori will leave the table having secured more land back off the crown.when this happens the land is re classified as maori free hold land. it is no longer crown land. again,these are basic principals that are factual and easily checked with basic research.im sorry that you dont know much about this, not my fault
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 ...then you can be assured that it would be of such significance that all current or prospective New Zealand citizens would be aware of it. I don't believe you.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 again, it is NOT my fault that the average new zealander has NOT ONE CLUE about Maori land, or the issues surrounding it. i dont know what you are finding hard to believe. Its very simple. Maori had controll of all of nz, then made a deal with the crown to sell some of their land, but only to the crown. 170 years later 94% of NZ belongs to the crown, the remaining 6% is maori land. This is basic 101 knowledge. the remaining 6% is free of crown ownership, but is run under MLC rules.
nguha313 9 months ago
@Alex462047 "You do realise that the Maori Land court is an office of the NZ Government,...."
exactly, thats why i said last week..."This land is regulated by the nz govt's maori land court, " cant you read? then you say..."Government is the representative of the British Crown, " no it is not...the nz govt is independant of the brittish crown, thats why the queen's offical title in nz is queen of nz. not britten. she has 19 different names.youd better do your homework first before you comment
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 The Queen is the Crown - yes, the New Zealand Government is independent of the British Government, but New Zealand is not a republic, it is a commonwealth country of the British Crown. That is why the Union Jack is on the New Zealand flag. The Queen is the queen of all her commonwealth countries, as you have observed.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 get the basics right first alex....New Zealand is a consistutional monarchy. Our monarch is called elizabeth II, she is queen of nz. she has 19 different formal identities, one seperate identity for each of her counties......our elizabeth is only queen of nz, australias queen elizabeth is only queen of aussie, same person, two different identities. again this is basic 101 knowedge easily researched.
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 Researchable sources and/or quotes to back up that assertion, please. You are putting forward that argument.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 hey...do your own research.....i aint got the tim e to make wahi tapu signs for maori land, or to educate you on the basics of maori land 101. you gunna try and label me rascist for saying maori land?....lol.....anyway....hope you learnt something about maori and non maori ( pakeha) land .....if you are staying on maori land, make sure you ask the locals if its ok, dont just assume you have every right to be there..thats what this is all about, maori have rights too.anyway, take care
nguha313 9 months ago
@nguha313 You do realise that the Maori Land court is an office of the NZ Government, and that the NZ Government is the representative of the British Crown, a proxy, and therefore your Maori Land Court is an office of the proxy of the Crown. All land in New Zealand is Crown-controlled, and when you purchase land free-hold, you are purchasing the title to the free use of the land from either the Crown or the last title-holder.
Alex462047 9 months ago
@nguha313 You must still pay rates and follow other administrative procedures when purchasing, selling or in ownership of the title to you land, and you still must apply for a Resource Consent to make significant alterations on you land or the nuildings on your land. Though I have to say that successive concessions on the part of successive governments have tilted the tables considerably in your favour compared to anyone else there, but that is a separate discussion altogether!
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 (Corrections)You must still pay rates and follow other administrative procedures when purchasing, selling or in ownership of the title to your land, and you still must apply for a Resource Consent to make significant alterations on your land or the buildings on your land. Though I have to say that successive concessions on the part of successive governments have tilted the tables considerably in your favour compared to anyone else there, but that is a separate discussion altogether!
Alex462047 9 months ago
@Alex462047 ok...you last comment has nothing to do with the issue at hand, that is, the free camping on private land by people who are not owners or permitted to be there. this has nothing to do with rates, or resource consent. this has to do with non-land owners using the land without permission and doing poos and wees on unmarked graves. there are NO special favours to do with maori land, maori land is so tied up in red tape it is almost impossible to do anything with it.
nguha313 9 months ago
Really stink to watch. I've seen the comments below, and it's got nothing really to do with the clip. The clips about tourist crapping on our graves, littering. Thant's just not on. Betta watch it, your dick might just fall off. What goes around, comes around. You wouldn't like it if I pissed on the Queen Mother.
yeanah61 10 months ago
stupid raggy ass human trash get a life
fordprefectnz 1 year ago
Holy shit man, that was loose!!!
SpawnFicklePets 2 years ago
loose as a goose!!!! but it worked tho. it did the trick
nguha313 2 years ago
Fukn aye dude!
Truth, put like that, will make most of these ignorant filth spreaders think twice before leaving their rubbish n shit whereevr the fuk they like.
What happened to 'Be a tidy Kiwi?
A simple message but it worked for most ppl.
Anyway man, 5 up from me!
Fukn wikid execution!!!
JOP
SpawnFicklePets 2 years ago
Just what I thought.....nothing.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
Still talking to yourself...hmmmm
Everybody knows Maori are the pests of new Zealand so why am i wasting my time trying to explain the truth to a little ugly Maori boy.
Time to shine some of my beliefs on to you boy...
It is time to commence the genoside on Maoris.
First we will get the Maori adults out of our way by bringing back one of the almighty Hitlers greatest death machines, the gas chamber...no time for maori slaves, they would kill themselfs
examinationboard 2 years ago
Kiaora exam..
Ive been reading your words and although your ideas are typical of hate groups what is it that you are doing that is going to make a difference? You say you want to rid the country of Maori etc yet your extreme ideas doesn't seem to be getting any credible momentum. For some warped reason lets consider that your allegations are true. What are you going to do about it? There's alot of huff and puff but seriously how could you help this country move forward ?
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
@examinationboard Yeah, it's actually genocide....with a 'c'; and it should be 'of the' as opposed to 'on the' - at the end it's 'Maori' (no plural s). Technically the gas chamber wasn't a machine, just a room with a bunch of piping connected to a gas tank - oh and right there at the end that should be 'themselves' with a 'v', not 'f''. I won't even get started on your capitalisation there... what I want to know is can you spell 'owned'? So much for white superiority :)
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants wow, so you have figured out how to use a spell checker...that argument ended a year ago and i wont sit here arguing about spelling.
examinationboard 1 year ago
@examinationboard I actually, like most people, used my brain...You're here preaching that you're somehow better than a Maori because you're white, making out white people have better education, morals and lives in general etc, but here's what I don't get: You went to Auckland Grammar school (you mis-spelled that on your profile btw) so it's safe to assume your family is well off financially - things most people can only dream of. You have a rich, caring family, probably a nice home ...
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants @examinationboard ...a top education and are white - yet you still can't spell, you're unpleasant to say the least and you have all the moral fibre of a turd. You can have all the money in the world and be as white as milk bottle, but none of those things saved you from being a nasty cunt did they? As for not wanting to stick around to argue about spelling, I was just proving a point. I'm done with you now.
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants I'm not a racist lets just get that out of the way, haha. I do however believe the maker of this video is a piece of shit for backing up a retard extorting money from road users. He based himself on a public road that was by his land, he had no right to scam people out of their money. Also his manner towards the (kinda annoying) camera-man was appalling. Please do not correct me on spelling or grammar as this is the internet, Grammar Nazis are not welcome here :3
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 I hear you but think of it from his perspective, pepole don't care about a cause until it's affected them, imagine you and your ancestors being treated like shit, despite nice little reminders that your loved ones are buried on that land - yet everyone ignores. I wouldn't like to lose money over it either but now that people are we have some attention yes? If people don't want to be in that predicament they should have been respectful in the first place so I have no sympathy
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants As for the guy in the video I don't feel bad towards him, to be fair it's his channel and his video - I know if somebody pissed me off enough I might make a video like that myself so it's tit for tat really, here that attitude is somebody being polite so I can't say much on that lol. Of course I wouldn't correct your grammar, I don't see anything wrong with it! Anyway, that treatment is reserved for dicks and you don't seem like that other guy.
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants I am Scottish & Irish, my people were put though far worse prejudice :P But back to the story... It's a public road. It is for the people of New Zealand and denying them that right is not ok. Sure the Maori were screwed from their land but they gained democracy and ARE treated as equals (now). They have no right to deny people of their rights and scamming and harassing road users is out of line. If you watch the original video you will the the man obviously does not contribute..
hamish501 1 year ago
@polkadotpants If you watch the original video you will see the man taking the money is scum. He likes to wave the racism card to get sympathy and money. History is history we need to move on. This loser feels he can live harassing and abusing the people of New Zealand. Just another self-rigious Maori who thinks the whole world is racist.<-- and that is not a racist remark :P
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 My ancestors were Irish and could probably say the same, although that's not really the point since it's not a competition and all prejudice is wrong. I don't think we're going to agree on Maori having equal rights now, I personally know that's a load of bollocks and that's why alot are still so mad because people still can't see. I understand about the road, it's not people's fault but the government, yous should get together and demand they fix it - it should never have been there.
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants You're right we don't have equal rights, Maori have far more than us. I used to look around at school to often see 'Maori only' careers and job offers also a whole lot of Maori only scholarships. Also I see Maori only positions in parliament but no 'Pakeha only' seats. The fact of the matter is we brought the Maori democracy and they are treated beyond that of a typical pakeha student as our government feels they have to 'make-up' for the injustice. We are all one country now
hamish501 1 year ago
@polkadotpants so the land belongs to NEW ZEALAND it's not their own. If they want sections of land they have equal opportunity (even more in most cases) to get a good education and a job and actually contribute to society instead of laying around on the doll crying about stolen land. We are one country and they are trying to segregate it into Maori only territory which is racism in it self. If they want it, they can work for it. Thats how democracy works.
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 It does belong to the nation yes, and the Maori woyuld probably be happy to share land if it was going to be treated with respect; they're not exactly gonna welcome people to come along and relieve themselves on their ancestors graves though are they? As for the government going too far to compensate sure, in some cases that is true, but alot of them are still treated as second class citizens - maybe if they weren't having to guard their graves from being shat on more could work.
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants The only Maori that are treated second class are the Maori that sit at home on the doll complaining the 'the white man' is out to get them. Also the world is a little more civil than that love. If they mark their graves they will be treated with respect just like every other graveyard in New Zealand. You realise the Maori wanted the Forshore to be 'Maori Only' right? Haha if whites wanted to use it they would have to pay a toll. It's just so funnyhow ignorently racist people canbe
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 Don't get me wrong, I do agree with some of what you're saying like marking the graves, the point is though it's not just the immediate burial area it's also the land surrounding it that's tapu - what would be more useful would be to fence the land off and stick up notices, then anybody caught purposely climbing over to relieve themselves should be fined, can't say much fairer really. As for the forshore that's a new one on me, I'll have to read up on that before I can say much
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants This is totally unrelated but, what are the christmas cards like in NZ? I was just thinking it's summer there now so are the pictures summery?
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants I see your not from Nz? So I wouldn't expect you to know about the foreshore. Basically the Maori believe they were here first so they own it and whites can't use it unless they pay a toll. I mean I see what you're saying but the Maori rights activists that walk around here are so blatantly racist but they are too ignorant to listen and compromise. It's either their way or no way and well... The law is on the side of the Nz public not the people causing segregation.
hamish501 1 year ago
@ham
Whites cant use it unless they pay a toll...WTF?where did you pull that idea from? out of your ass. there has been a huge compromise in this country. we went from 100% ownership to a little under 6%. we compromised 96% of our lands. now you are moaning that we still have 6% of nz,you are calling it segregation? its not racist, you are making things up.you get maori land becauise your parents died and left it to you. your parent can be 1/4 maori 3/4 irish, race has nothing to do with it
nguha313 1 year ago
@nguha313 It's not Maori land it's New Zealand land. Like it or not thats what it is. If you would like a portion of New Zealand's land you can work for it. You are not entitled to it just because your ancestors lived here first. Maori can bitch and moan about how their land was stolen (when it wasn't really) but if it wasn't for the English settlement NZ would not be as technological as it is today. Lucky the Spanish didn't invade and commit genocide for the land eh? Things worked out well.
hamish501 1 year ago
".bitch and moan about how their land was stolen (when it wasn't really)"
are full of shit. go and actually read a court case from start to end and then come back and tell me nothing was stolen off the maori. learn something about the 1866 mass confiscations, schorched earth policy, invasions and mass murders.u r full of shit. BTW there are no what if's only what happened.the ONLY difference nwdays is if the spanish came, we'd be having this same conversation in spanish
nguha313 1 year ago
@nguha313 The difference is the Maori would most likely be extinct... The English take over was fairly civil compared to what other nations would have done. And don't act like the Maori were completely innocent in this. Most of the killing of the Maoris was committed by Maori. We traded them guns, they went off and destroyed and pillaged. Fact is we won the war, Maori lost. We brought in Democracy,giving the Maori the right to earn the land for themselves. Its the way the world works hun.
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 I get what you're saying on some things, even agree on some stuff but something pissing me off is wether handing back land is right or wrong or whatever people still want to play down what was documented as attrocoties, to go on and say it was civil compared to what other nations would have done, to me doesn't justify it happening at all. Basically if the settlers didn't do what they did, there wouldn't be this problem now, but it did happen and everyone is stuck with the consequences
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants Yeah but if they didn't settle New Zealand would not be a country today and it would still be full of Maori civil war (that's if they could survive this far on their own). Democracy is the greatest gift a civilization can receive but it's tough when the natives are uneducated and tribal. Democracy would not have been accepted if the English ran in holding daisies preaching peace.
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 I agree democracy is a great gift, but wouldn't real democracy be giving the natives a democratic choice wether to recieve it? To me it boils down to the sovreignty saw something it wanted and took it it under the guise of being charitable, the Maori fought amongst themselves but were at least happy to do so, it wasn't anybody's right to walk in and say I don't agree with this savagery, this is how to live. I was wondering if their are any films about the Land Wars I can look up?
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants I'm sure there is some if you take a look around Discovery channel or something like that. I'm sorry but "at least happy to do so" doesn't make much sense. A constant state of war between savage tribes is not a 'happy' life. They had no knowledge of life outside of warfare so it's fair to say their savage habits would be hard to break which caused the disputes. Btw I'm glad to have this civil argument with you^^ I get shot down by alotof Maori activists who don't like my views :P
hamish501 1 year ago
@hamish501 Cheers, I'll have a look and keep my fingers crossed. I meant happy to do so as in not causing crap for anybody outside of NZ and they were pretty much self contained - that and to Maori warfare was just one of those things and a part of their culture. I think the Maori would have had enough brain power to theorise what a life without war would be like, it just mustn't have appealed. What I'm trying to get across is the settlers had no right to walk in and say 'that's wrong'
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@polkadotpants Me too, I love a good debate - I could so whoop your ass... but I prefer being civil since then it gets beyond name calling and actually into the meat of an issue
polkadotpants 1 year ago
@hamish501 keep an eye on the national geographic channel for upcomming stories from tuhoe. youll be glad to know they came to me and my partner to film their show and put us in their magazine. neat alright. they come to us because we know what we are talking about. as for life out of warfare, eh, we never fought that much with eachother until the ballance of power was disrupted by the gun and behind the scenes meddling by influental pakeha
nguha313 1 year ago
@hamish501 nz was a country in every right in 1835 when the confederation of rangatira had their flag and nation recognised by the king of england. it is called the declaration of independence 1835. it made nz a sovereign nation, and it made the maori the sovereign rulers. maori have NEVER ceeded their sovereignty, not even in the treaty......
nguha313 1 year ago
@hamish501 the first I've heard of those tolls, can you direct me to any literature about it? I think it's more a point being made, claiming back land and the government stating it's theirs again, considering it was to begin with but forcibly taken, I'm sure they'd let people use that land respectively? Settler's ancestors didn't ask to be put there and the Maori didn't want to be disturbed, of course there's always gonna be alot of friction and ill feelings about it.
polkadotpants 1 year ago
Day come and piss on our morupa
examinationboard 2 years ago
I'm sick of wasting my day talking to you, i have made my point...you can keep on commenting on your own video mate thats entirely up to you, but you are a bore to me.
Sorry i cant read the three comments you have just sent me because it probably contains another one of you fairy tails...
GET OUT OF THE INTERNET CAFE AND GO TO SCHOOL YOU LITTLE SHIT...BECAUSE REMEMBER YOUR HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY SO YOU CANT HAVE A COMPUTER.
examinationboard 2 years ago
nah mate, you are sick of being proved wrong with your stupid atttacks and combacks. the education thing, you were wrong, the total control thing? i have more total control than you, the housing thing? again you were very wrong in your assumptions.
id not want to talk to me anymore either after getting such a hiding from me today. i told you at the start, you can not back up lies. the truth always wins in a court of law. we will win, and you will loose. y? cause the settlers messed it all up...
nguha313 2 years ago
I suppose on your unmarked "Maori (scum) land" you don't have any power supply or water supply, hell you probably have to use a long drop because you wouldn't have any piping.
Because my friend, you would have to pay rates to use government facility's to bring these services to you.
You also wouldn't be able to hire a plumber you wouldn't be able to hire an electrician...
FUCK being you man...thats worse than a caravan
park.
examinationboard 2 years ago
hahaha we got power, water, wireless, banks of servers, internet, visa cards, cell phones etc...hell boi.. technology has got a lot smaller since you were at school grandad. all the natives OF THE WORLD have the internet now. bad pakeha cant hide their shame anymore. we all know the truth. pakeha stole nz. you must pay, all of you....
nguha313 2 years ago
Also yes I do have full control over my home not that that has anything to do with this conversation
examinationboard 2 years ago
you do not have full contol over your home, only your homo.
seriously, you cant do shit at your house or land unless you conform to the law as prescribed by you local council, pay them to ok it, pay them to inspect it, pay them to maintain it etc etc. you are living in a dream world if you think you have full control over you property, dreaming. my maori land is non rateable and we pay no rates at all, ever! we build what we want where and when we want. thats real total control boi.
nguha313 2 years ago
the government requires all these checks and approvals to ensure our safety and convenience, you seem to have a problem with everything the government does.
I am very happy with the fact that i require permission to construct on my land and safety check up's to ensure my safety. if you have some problems with the way the government runs new zealand then get the fuck out of here.
examinationboard 2 years ago
what? you are a dick. u try and tell me you have total control of your lands and the maori dont. now you tell me you are happy with being told what to do. fuck, a great builder can build the worlds safest house with out ever knowing what a city council is. you just a slave to the system. fat and happy with your little slice of stolen goods, sleeping easy thinking u are safe cause the .govt wont ever let those maori get theior stuff back..buzz wrong, well get it alright...
nguha313 2 years ago
"not that that has anything to do with this conversation"
eh, you fuckin brought it up dick....now you cant see why we are talking about it? is that how you roll? all mental and shit? you just flustering yourself boi, cant keep up with the big boys. you have already been wrong at least twice today. remember you statehouse buzz? eh..U WRONG! haha and your total control bullshit? buzz wrong again.. this is too easy...u are all shit ow...
nguha313 2 years ago
Also, the word illiterate is a very basic, commonly used expression.
I'm not trying to use words you don't understand you know...
Seriously man, shouldn't you be in school.
examinationboard 2 years ago
hahahaha i can use thousands of words u have no understanding of whatsoever. and what? u callin me illiterate thinking you all that? thinkin you all better than me? how can that be? you're not any better than me at all. im very literate hahahaha...i can read and write... hahahahaha u saying i should be in school? hahahaha i am. im the teacher...aint that a blast, im teaching the history of the NSW govt and activism 101. fuckin neat eh...maori got some out of it teachers eh? we not brainwashed
nguha313 2 years ago
Small tiny little man.
No school would hire such a deranged Maori activist.
Professional tutors of even the most basic and low decile schools of new Zealand wouldn't be using such senseless, foul language like the ones you are messaging me with, also adding hahahaha into every sentence you type is becoming quite the annoyance for me, and you are just coming off as stupid.
examinationboard 2 years ago
oh yes they do sonny boi, im fully qualified in your top pakeha universities. i have a number of graduate diplomas in various areas and a bachelors degree in education. and what? my skills are in hot demand in any school in the country and i assure u, if your kids school had a job vacancy at their school and i applied, i would be guaranteed at least an interview and would be a shoe in for any position. schools love me cause im a great worker and know my stuff...hahahaha u no shit. c? maori win
nguha313 2 years ago
And that takes me back to my very point bout our culture.
1. Pakeha only have records of our country on their arrival
2. Maori existed at least 1000 yrs before this.
3. Ignorant people cannot understand why Maori get upset about a "piece of land" as though it is something bought or sold given we have a history prior to Pakeha arrival.
4. Anyone would get upset if they were kicked off "purchased land" they owned for 50yrs. Now consider Maori had the land for over 1000yrs with history on it.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
interesting that when u buy a car thats stolen you have to give it back.
interesting they put that much effort into a fuckin car, but maori stolen land? fuck...what a bunch of robbers the pakeha are. one law for the pakeha taonga, annother law for the maori taonga. fuck the system. corrupt as
nguha313 2 years ago
You people were just like wild animals to the rest of the world so, yeah, why not steal land off such an uneducated piece of SHIT race.
What about the Rekohu of new Zealand...or what you call the moriori, what about them.
Your ancestors stole this land from a very well settled, peaceful race living by the code of non violence.
Rekohu were victims of genocide.
You are victims of land loss to a more powerful race. I bad for rekohu but i couldn't give a two shits about you sick bastards.
examinationboard 2 years ago
what about them? they got wasted by sailors boi. they got wasted by the bugs carried by white sailors, syphilis, gonorrhea and the like way before taranaki went over there. and why did the maori have to go there anyway? cause the pakeha stole taranaki and booted them off. besides, out of that place was born on of the greatest guerilla resistance armies to face off and beat the english army time and time again. the pakehas vietnam, 1840's styles, dished ot to them by the maori, sons of gods....
nguha313 2 years ago
Kiaora exam
"Maori children.....cages" wow you really do have issues. Why do you make such a statement? Be reassured we do have a Health system that caters for your sickness and because Ive paid my taxes, I dont mind doing so if you are going to get help for this as the whole country will benefit from it.
You cant seem to respond to any of my points yet you're quick to highlight the obvious and attempt to insult. Your here for yourself not NZ. Go back to school. No reply needed.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
Kiaora exam
But what you have done is highlighted your ignorance and this I aim at you and not all non-Maori.
1. I told you Maoris wasnt a word yet you continue to use it, which is typical of your kind.
2. You say Maori because you use the word "Maoris" so you aim it at all Maori so have classified all.
3. If I was into drugs, then I wouldn't be paying taxes at all now would I.
4. I like other Maori, pay taxes that fund not only Maori, but Pakeha, and most NZ citizens that are on the benefit.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
How can the Maori government succeed when they have as much rights as a standard citizen.
also keeping in mind that Maori are becoming
ext inked and the current Maori population is very small...
Maori must die...we have to slaughter all the Maori children to save money and to bring more tourist's back to our country.
Also about your stupid comment about us being from the US and Canada...we are from Europe so get your facts right before you comment again.
examinationboard 2 years ago
Well here we go "Maori must die.....tourists back to our country" You're just as bad as the activists you hate. Your only solution to a problem is through violence, similar to that of Adolf Hitler. Extinct? Are you sure about this? Have you checked the latest NZ census? This suggests otherwise. As for Maori having "as much rights as a standard citizen" well the NZ Government doesnt seem to think so given their support for Maori initiatives. Far fetched from what we want but at least its a start.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
Maori are the shame of new zealand... i have grown over the fact that Maori have no respectable rights over this country...instead i wish harm to their people and children.
It is hardly debatable that Maori are a useless embarrassment to this country .
As you probably do not know already because you have never payed taxes...but we are paying taxes for the development of our country...it is just a shame our government has to give most of it away to parasitic brown savages like the Maoris.
examinationboard 2 years ago
You obviously have alot of hate but it seems you need to look in your own backyard (i dont mean literally).
1. "maori are the shame of NZ?" Yet NZ is what it is today because of the Maori cultural values.
2. you have "grown up.....over this country" implies you're poorly informed over the facts or typically try to run away from it rather than address it.
3. My business pays more taxes than you do because I retired at 30yrs
4. You attack Maori people indicating a racist. I dont have time for you
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
Your little drug business did not pay any taxes you little shit...
Only the people of new zealand know what Maoris are really like...UGLY, PESTS...
You are speaking on behalf of yourself when you say your business was successful.
What do you have to say for the Maori scum that live off the tax payers Ha.
Maori children need to be slaughtered and fed to the parents that we keep in the cages
examinationboard 2 years ago
fuck, youre a joke cunt!!!! hahahaha this is u eh dotty? or talk or brad, or george...fuck, u are all the same, full of shit.
nguha313 2 years ago
wat the fuck is tht supposed to mean you illiterate piece of shit
examinationboard 2 years ago
oooo i can use da big wurds illiterate ooo look at me im all tough and brainy, ooooooo.
hahahaha u r a big joke. you are the last of a line of gready gready nasty people. u r the face of the bad whiteman. the nasty bullies how lied and cheated and stole a country. u have no new arguments to offer any serious debate. all of what u have to say has already been proved wrong, just like brad, talk, george, dot and all the others who have been here before and lost face cause they cant back up lies...
nguha313 2 years ago
Your right.
Thats what Maoris have trouble understanding.
We have taken ownership of this country a long time ago, now you have as much rights as a standard NZ Citizen. Wait, theres still maybe the few acres of land the government will temporarily give you to shut you up.
Maori claim to "own" this land, The definition of "owning" is:
-To have or possess as property
-To have full control over that property.
You don't have any control...just be glad we have taken you under our wing, for now.
examinationboard 2 years ago
a few points there...
1, full control over that property.
do you have full control over yours? or are u just a puppet slave of the taxman?hahaha u a slave of the taxman.
2, what pakeha have trouble understanding, is that the land and governance issues imposed on maori was all very illegal, and sooner or later, new zealand will have to answer to the world at the united nations. the united nations will act in time and we will rule in our favor. we will have our rangatiratanga and own .govt...
nguha313 2 years ago
The united nations will choose what is best for the country.
What I'm saying is, is that my people have succeeded in taking this unique piece of land off your pathetic race. now new Zealand is a very peaceful multicultural civilized country.
Why would anyone in their right minds take away such peace and give it to such an under developed race.
Maori will survive under the wing of the government but will never succeed in the real world...your just a tourist attraction now.
examinationboard 2 years ago
the un has time and time again ruled in favor of the maori. time and time again the nz govt has IGNORED the un. well, how long do you think the un will put up with a tiny little white nz govt disrespecting the honor of the toher 191 countries? not much longer. you racist to call maori an underdeveloped race. maori can do anything a pakeha man or woman can do. thats a fact. so why did you say that? you a fuckwit, thats why. u a dickless cock sucker angry son of a thief. all hail mighty whiteman
nguha313 2 years ago
These idiots represent themselves and not Maoridom. Im proud to be Maori and will always be. But these freaks need to learn to use there time more effectively, like educating there stupid selves. You can benefit our people through this crap.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
i represent me donkeydong. u represent who ever u want to. personally tho, i dont think i could rep the same as you, i'd prefer to rep something that doesnt allow camping on their dead, or the desecration of their mana by letting free loaders, who are too cheep to pay $5 per nigh less that 5kms away, eat, sleep, piss and shit on tipuna maori. by the sounds of it, you dont give a fuck, it's probably not your tipuna being shit on. btw, i bet my pakehua education is far better that your one. l8rs
nguha313 2 years ago
Also by the way you respond to others I doubt your "pakehua education is far better" than my qualificaitons. And even so it matters not. What matters is what you are doing with those qualifications to benefit our people? I choose to use it to work their own system against them,in peace. Ive got no hara against you at all as my whakapapa traces back to Ueoneone and Reitu. I spit on any desrespectful act against our Tipuna. This vid portrays you as a violent hooligan. I comment on that only.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
your "These idiots...educating there stupid selves." thats what pakeha do, assume maori have no education. you sounded very pakehuafied. my videos are an utu. utu for similar ones posted by pakehua. my yin to their yan. this one all starts with waimana. matahi.
fuck their system up the bumbum. none of it is valid or legal or moral or just. its a big game. the sooner all maori have nothing to do with it the better. 620,000 people cant all be arrested on their own whenua. we proved it with rates
nguha313 2 years ago
lol maoris hahaha
You stole this land and now where stealing it rights back.
We make up 78% of the population and maoris...only 12%
So you do the math...if you can
examinationboard 2 years ago
ok, 78+12=90 and what?
lol redknecks hahaha
maori are 17.5%, dumb dumb. "where stealing it rights back...."hahahaha dumbdumb, where? hahaha, it rights? hahaha...learn to talk betterer engrish chingy
nguha313 2 years ago
I don't know where you get your facts from you stupid bush Maori....
Your video skills suck and your immaturity brings shame to this country...
Maori are 12% and We are 78% now how does your undeveloped Maori brain work out that your are taking the country back you fucking nigger...rednecks are Americans and I'm European so get your facts right bush man....
examinationboard 2 years ago
i made them up like u did. i did mine on purpose to rark u up, u did ypurs to be an egg.
real answer for 2008? 'bout 15%
6429000 as a % of 4,268,900=15.06008573637236%
thats 128067 more maori that your guess of 12%.
as for redknecks? thats u to a t. a redkneck is an unsophisticated whiteperson from us and canada, true, it also applies when a maori says it to a pakeha. our black brothers and sisters let us use it.
nguha313 2 years ago
Alright mate, your comments are telling me that you are extremely uneducated and also indicating that you are a maori activist. please
We are running everything, paying taxes to feed your fat pathetic race and when we came to this country we found bush Maoris that had no building, no civilization nothing...
Why do you think the signing of the waitangi treaty is called the founding of nz.
examinationboard 2 years ago
1. If your "paying taxes to feed your fat pathetic race" whose the idiot then?
2. There is no such word as Maoris, Maori is plural.
3. The Treaty of Waitangi is said to be our founding document indicating a record of an aspirational partnership between European and Maori rather than "the founding of NZ".
4. "before the white man came, we had no debt, no taxes and women did all the work. They wanted to improve this system." (An indian proverb)
Your comments portray racism you have issues.
donkeykongnz 2 years ago
it's not the founding of nz. that was founded much earlier cok nose. didnt u know? nah u dont...thats cause u spent too much time with your head up your arse believing shit handed down to you by a bunch of robbers and evil settlers. u cant hurt me and donkleydong with your basless verbal spewing...WE KNOW EVERYTHING pakeha did to steal this country. u still spreading anti maori propaganda from the 1850's. its over..we will wil, we have justice on our side, all pakeha have is lies, and more lies.
nguha313 2 years ago
LOL man funny shit. this video wont get taken seriously when its a comedy.
afroinferno 2 years ago
hahaha, glad you can see the funny side. most people who come here get real serious, so i get serious right bk. hahahaha apache lost their lands too
nguha313 2 years ago
omg i have done a youtube search on anything tuhoe because i am in australia and watching these videos make me feel so proud of who i am ... and unfortunately for me i see your stupid dumb ass comments on every single one of them grrr you stupid mother fucker, if u hate what you see, why are you watching these videos?! Obviously you have too much time on your hands...
Nguhu313 keep doing your thing :) im going to subscribe :)
pepilicious86 2 years ago
some people here are stupid as....no doubt.
tuhoe pride worldwide
tuhoe nui tonu:-)
nguha313 2 years ago
"Dontgetblls".I'm enjoying my life here in Beautiful Aotearoa,out in the fresh air and outdoors,happily paying my taxes which I am pleased to know contributes to the claims that Maori have every right to pursue.
I am a contented Pakeha aknowledging that this country is Whenua Maori.
You on the other hand ran away with your tail between your legs,whimpering.
when you ever come back you will see the new flag of Aotearoa flying proudly over a Maori parliament.Tinorangatiratanga.!
PakehaKiritea 2 years ago
that dogballface is a looser
nguha313 2 years ago
LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
hahaha, good comeback
nguha313 2 years ago
dontfrogtheballs,come back and pay your taxes to the Maori .
or are you too busy crying to the yanks about the Maori upsetting your sensitivities.
You need a hug?.
PakehaKiritea 2 years ago
even dumber hori,
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
ah thats better.
nguha313 2 years ago
Hey T-dog, i paid more tax in one year (to the US and Chinese govts) than you make in 4 years!
Ill NEVER pay tax dollars to the NZ govt until all treaty claims are squashed and burnt.
Only one person needs a hug here - off you go down the back of the farm to pull up a nice warm jersey.
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
dumb horis
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
dont you mean dumb hori? there is no 's' in the maori language. otherwise you're saying that horis is dumb. i dont even know a horis, but i know a boris. he's russian...
nguha313 2 years ago
give him his benefit back he needsit to buy more drugs the fucking looser
katakatalaughs 3 years ago
hey bro!!!! yay, i was just waiting for u to pop yr head up gain. yeah. go over to waimana valley video and have a read there. lets make a movie...
nguha313 3 years ago
done dealhave to be when I get back from the fishing boat I back out antime soon but we keep in touch in the meantime you keep catching and eating those fucking campers a?..keep up the good work
katakatalaughs 3 years ago
What was that crying shit at the end? Did he lose his benefit?
torqueingheads 3 years ago