@holidayrap if bjj is a copy cat then why did Kimura ask Helio to come teach in Japan after beating Helio. It would make no sense to have a brazilian teaching tradiional jj or judo, night and day
@MMALibrary Who knows. Maybe because Kimura wanted someone Helio's size to show that judo techniques can still be effective. But what I do know is that BJJ gets way too much credit for grappling.
BJJ continues to borrow/use/steal..whatever way you put it )techniques from other arts. NOTHING WRONG with that..but give credit where credit is due.
@holidayrap Every bjj practitioner I know acknowledges Judo as the original art. In my school, we have pictures of both Helio Gracie and Jigoro Kano that we bow to before and after class. You can not, however, deny that the Brazilians molded ne-waza into a more solid art form.
@newazason Ya I can agree on the Brazilians remarkable contribution to grappling in general particularly the Gracies. But in 50 years people are going to be looking back and realizing how much the AMERICANS have further refined the art by perfecting counters, take down defenses. Hopefully there wont be a new name for it like " American grappling" or something.
Which brings me back to my original point of having the respect to give credit where its due. Props to your school for doing so.
@holidayrap American grappling has been around for a long time. In fact, it is THE original American martial art. It evolved into what we know as pro wrestling today. Before it turned into a theatre act, it was called catch-as-catch-can. Yet, it's still a different art altogether. The gracies borrowed from this art, as well as sambo and judo, to create a more well rounded grappling focused system. Known as Gracie Jiu Jitsu, or bjj today.
@newazason I don't know if you got my point and the rest is open to debate...which i don't want to get in to. So, I'll let you have the last word on that.
@newazason Catch Wrestling was developed in England and assimilated techniques from Japanese Jujitsu and was introduced to America from Imigrants etc and then continued to evolve
While what you are saying is the truth, most Judo schools I know got rid of Leg Locks all together. Just because they are taught in Judo and not used in competitions, doesn't mean they will be taught in all Judo dojos. I actually think MOST dojos won't even teach them.
@tearo I train with Alberto Crane, a BJJ black belt who trained with Gokor, and that guy is a monster with leglocks as well, and he's passed on to some of his students. I have to constantly protect my legs during the no-gi classes.
@tearo I'm alright with leglocks, I know how to defend against them and I do get them on people from time to time, but leglocks aren't my go-to-moves when I'm grappling.
BJJ is a copycat of this.
holidayrap 8 months ago
@holidayrap if bjj is a copy cat then why did Kimura ask Helio to come teach in Japan after beating Helio. It would make no sense to have a brazilian teaching tradiional jj or judo, night and day
MMALibrary 6 months ago
@MMALibrary Who knows. Maybe because Kimura wanted someone Helio's size to show that judo techniques can still be effective. But what I do know is that BJJ gets way too much credit for grappling.
BJJ continues to borrow/use/steal..whatever way you put it )techniques from other arts. NOTHING WRONG with that..but give credit where credit is due.
holidayrap 6 months ago
@holidayrap Every bjj practitioner I know acknowledges Judo as the original art. In my school, we have pictures of both Helio Gracie and Jigoro Kano that we bow to before and after class. You can not, however, deny that the Brazilians molded ne-waza into a more solid art form.
newazason 4 months ago
@newazason Ya I can agree on the Brazilians remarkable contribution to grappling in general particularly the Gracies. But in 50 years people are going to be looking back and realizing how much the AMERICANS have further refined the art by perfecting counters, take down defenses. Hopefully there wont be a new name for it like " American grappling" or something.
Which brings me back to my original point of having the respect to give credit where its due. Props to your school for doing so.
holidayrap 4 months ago
@holidayrap American grappling has been around for a long time. In fact, it is THE original American martial art. It evolved into what we know as pro wrestling today. Before it turned into a theatre act, it was called catch-as-catch-can. Yet, it's still a different art altogether. The gracies borrowed from this art, as well as sambo and judo, to create a more well rounded grappling focused system. Known as Gracie Jiu Jitsu, or bjj today.
newazason 4 months ago
@newazason I don't know if you got my point and the rest is open to debate...which i don't want to get in to. So, I'll let you have the last word on that.
holidayrap 4 months ago
@newazason Catch Wrestling was developed in England and assimilated techniques from Japanese Jujitsu and was introduced to America from Imigrants etc and then continued to evolve
Mitchx42 1 month ago
These should still be allowed, who agrees?
ihaterobbie123 9 months ago 14
epic side control escape at 1:09
downstreamlife 1 year ago 6
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BringDownTheirPride 11 months ago
@downstreamlife yes it was and before he did a similar one at around :30. Only one leglock at the end and it was brutal.
BringDownTheirPride 11 months ago
@downstreamlife Word! That escape was the shit. I am totally trying this in class.
SCROGY 10 months ago
@downstreamlife Hell yes. I saw this and was like DAMN, I have to learn that ****!!!!
SCROGY 2 months ago
AWSOME! Thank you VERY much! :-)
GJJFan 1 year ago
ok guys just to make the point clearer.
JUDO HAS LEGLOCKS-BUT WE DONT USE THEM IN COMPS.
ONLY AT DAN GRADING LEVEL.
AGAIN WE HAVE THEM WE DONT USE THEM
THANK YOU
judopathoftruth 1 year ago 2
@judopathoftruth
While what you are saying is the truth, most Judo schools I know got rid of Leg Locks all together. Just because they are taught in Judo and not used in competitions, doesn't mean they will be taught in all Judo dojos. I actually think MOST dojos won't even teach them.
tearo 1 year ago
@tearo The only Judo school that teaches them is Gokor's, and that is only because they are also a sambo, submission grappling, and mma gym.
SakoYo 1 year ago
@SakoYo Gokor is a beast. He's scares me.
I pracitced sambo btw.
tearo 1 year ago
@tearo I train with Alberto Crane, a BJJ black belt who trained with Gokor, and that guy is a monster with leglocks as well, and he's passed on to some of his students. I have to constantly protect my legs during the no-gi classes.
SakoYo 1 year ago
You must be pretty good with leg locks yourself then! Or at least, going to be good wit leg locks.
I once trained with someone who is really skilled with compression leg locks. The most painful ones, and got my knee injured badly.
tearo 1 year ago
@tearo I'm alright with leglocks, I know how to defend against them and I do get them on people from time to time, but leglocks aren't my go-to-moves when I'm grappling.
SakoYo 1 year ago 2
thank you for sharing. Do you know if they teach some of these techniques still or are these illegal techniques?
MisterJ21 2 years ago
the leg locks are illegal in competition, but are still taught. I think only black belts learn them, but I might be wrong.
great video
UmDiaEuFicoBom 2 years ago 2
I have seen some of them (leg locks) in proffesional wrestling.
Anibal677 2 years ago
theyre not in the kodokan syllabus but individual instructors might teach them somewhere.You dont learn them at black belt or any other belt.
billysue2 2 years ago
Hard to say these days. I'd say go to a Sambo club those guys know how to incorporate leglocks with traditional Judo newaza.
mmajunkie1000 1 year ago
Aos professores de artes marciais: Admirem e lutem para que esta época de respeito aos valores e origem volte para era atual...
equipetokugawa 3 years ago
Glad to share
chingonraza 3 years ago
good footage 5 stars thanks for sharing
defensiveempowerment 3 years ago