I feel that homeopathy consumers do not really understand what homeopathy is or how the drugs are made. Liquid drugs are literally just water and the pills are literally just sugar, as the tests done in this video have shown. To suggest that a drug dose less than what is measurable by modern technology has any physiological effect is absolutely ridiculous.
The placebo effect can only be explained when the patient 1) knows they are taking a medicine 2) and secondly believe it works. The thing about homeopathy is, the statistics make it clear that the stuff works even for animals and very young babies who don't understand what medicine or homeopathy is, and that homeopathy also works for people who don't believe in it. My research continues... I don't think this is a black and white issue. Modern science may not be as advanced as we think.
@simonealisa How many times can you be wrong in three sentences?
The placebo effect occurs when there is an intervention, regardless of the type of intervention. It could be capsule, injection, false accupuncture, or even intercessory prayer. Belief in the intervention is unnecessary. The phenomenon is related to the perception and expectation that the patient has, if they are lead to believe the effect will be positive, it tests positive, if negative, it tests negative (nocebo).
The placebo effect observed in animals and children is most likely observational bias on the part of the owner or veterinarian. Any positive outcome is construed as being due to the action of the placebo. Any double-blinded placebo controlled study will show that there is no effect beyond placebo in animal testing.
If you are truly doing research, it is significantly lacking in depth.
The israelites, who spawned all white people, including real jews, are going to crush the talmudists, communists, satanists and other perverts and cowards along with holoCOSTianity.
Or more correctly, they don't want us to find the cure! They already know it exists. For one, cannabis oil (oil from the bud of the plant) cures cancer. This is shown in the documentary Run From The Cure (can be found on youtube). You can also google: cannabis cures cancer, cannabinoids and cancer. You will be amazed with what you find. Take care and spread the word.
Honestly, Steven Sager the "cancer specialist" knows something most don't. He calls homeopathy a scam in treating cancer. That may be true, but what he doesn't mention is that chemotherapy and other conventional medicine is ineffective at treating cancer. Chemo and radiation combined have a 2% success rate, and they're in place so it stays that way. Why? They have made a (billion dollar) industry out of cancer research and treatment. They don't want to find a cure! (continued in next comment)
@sheradized All you do is go around on these videos calling scientists "bigots". I wonder what your self interest is? I bet you make money off of this junk sugar yourself.
@Diffrentjamsith In what way? The evidence that it causes autism is very dodgy. I wouldn't be a big fan of pharmaceutical firms but I don't think I'd be a big fan of polio either.
@Smithpolly You do not pay attention to much of this do you? It has caused death, ADHD and other conditions in children. I do not trust the companies when they first come up with the bird flu and then the swine flu, when research shows that more people die from regular flu than people died of bird and swine flu.
@Diffrentjamsith The evidence that it has caused ADHD in children has been debunked and there's a lot of evidence to show that bird and swine flu were a real danger. However, even if I'm wrong on both these points, that doesn't take away from the fact that polio, measles and german measles are all terrible diseases. The vacine has meant that people have been able to forget how terrifying the epidemics were and the death and permanent disability that hose diseases caused.
@Smithpolly So a child with no vaccines can't possibly live in this world can they. And we could not live before pizza was invented? I have no vaccines, but I have one hell of a great immune system, and that is all that matters!
@Diffrentjamsith The reason that those without vaccines are fine is because the majority of people have been vaccinated. Therefore unprotected people like yourself don't come in contact with these diseases to begin with. I am hesitant to trust everything the gov't might tell us to do, but to say that the quality of life would be better without vaccines seems kind of silly.
@battleaxegoblin herd immunity is impossible to achieve. The reason why unvaccinated people are fine has nothing to do with the "majority" being vaccinated. Do more research and you'll see it's soon obvious, there is something else which is preventing these diseases occurring in the unvaccinated. By the way, when there is an outbreak of something like measles - often times the vaccinated are actually more effected then the unvaccinated. Vaccines are not 100%, far from it.
Way back in the 1930's when people thought that Homeopathy was magical/mystical, Hans Von Euler did tests and stated: "I will simply state that on this basis we now understand how quantities of one millionth of a gram and less of a poison may be sufficient to paralyse or annihilate an organism; the quantity of the catalysts required to be inactivated in the poisoning of an organ is not greater than the quantity of poison used. There is therefore nothing mystical in the homeopathic doses".
Pseudoskepticism should be classified as a religion.
Homeopathy is science backed by studies done by 3 Nobel Laureate scientists in Chemistry(Hans Von Euler), Physics(Brian Josephson) and Physiology & Medicine(Luc Montagnier) and numerous other scientists who are specialists in their fields of work.
How exactly does this qualify as pseudoskepticism? As a matter of fact, what is "pseudoskepticism" anyway? Is it like pseudoscience?
And you claim Josephson and Von Euler did studies involving homeopathy. I can't seem to find their papers, would you be so kind as to provide me with a link to them?
The study done by Montagnier you're talking about is probably the one where he was able to detect a DNA molecule in a very high dilution. Well, allow me to quote Montagnier himself: 7:46
I am not against traditional north american medicine but I know homeopathy works. My mom was diagnosed with a very rare kidney disease that destroyed both of her kidneys beyond repair. Doctors told her that she would need a transplant in a year - she started with natural remedies and guess what!? Her kidneys are working and doctors are floored!! join her blog: curablefromwithin.blogspot.com and share your thoughts!
The comments section to this video on CBC shows approximately 900 comments from users and practitioners who are extremely satisfied with the results they get from homeopathy.
Right, because treating patients with "medicine" created under dubious processes without the practitioners even knowing how their bulls-hit works is such an effective method of treatment.
For the record, many doctors actually WILL give you a placebo - it has caused concern and debate from an ethical perspective. Further, placebos work even when the person taking them knows they are placebos.
I'm fascinated by what takes place in the mind to cause it to override, invert, and/or enhance the "proven" effects of actual drugs based on the taker's expectation. Harnessing that is where the future lies.
I would have preferred if they'd taken a more neutral tone for this segment. I agree with the point that they're making, but the snarky tone they're taking hurts the presentation of it. They should have just presented it neutral with evidence, and no tone in their voices. Leave that stuff up to Penn and Teller. The actual data is all the snark you need.
@IstasPumaNevada Plenty of other pieces have tried the "equal time" presentation, but it only dilutes (haha) the message: homeopathy is an unabashed scam. Why give "equal time" to an absurd notion? Too many pieces pretend that there might actually be some legitimacy to homeopathy, which just helps these criminals deceive the public more readily.
Why are placebos illegal in mainstream medicine but allowed for this junk medicine? OMG, that kid is vaccinated against NOTHING. Mother's who are gullible shouldn't be making decisions. Con's should be exposed and made illegal.
@cutes22 Because the acceptance of quackery as a form of "alternative" medicine has created a double standard: these frauds are allowed to trick their patient; doctors are not. This puts them at enormous advantage.
how can Power balance get sued for being a con, yet these people cant? At least power balance's worst side effect is reducing the bank balance of gullible people. This mob kills children.
The sad part is that by not giving her child conventional vaccines, she is endangering the lives of OTHER people's children as well. Her child will get something they should have been vaccinated for when they're older, and infect a child who has not had a chance to get the vaccine.
Someone said below: "for whatever reason homeopathy works". It is not "whatever reason", it is the placebo effect - clear and simple. If Merck or Pfizer sold a line of sugar pills, but lied to the public and marketed them as having health benefits, many people would take those pills and feel better. The placebo would work. But where "Big Pharma" would be vilified for selling placebos, the homeopathy sellers are embraced and protected by legislation.
@manunderyourbed The explanations lack absolute facts to disprove it. It's just an explanation of how it wouldn't work. You can explain how anything may or may not work.
@14sJakeB190 Because the animal study wasn't double-blinded. The data was gathered and interpreted by humans - humans in this case who are active proponents of homeopathy. The same results were NOT obtained by independently repeated experiments. So, in short, the animal studies are just more scams. But homeopathy is a billion dollar scam, so it's well worth it.
@14sJakeB190 That is exactly why studies must be peer-reviewed and repeatable. Those studies that are well designed, double-blinded, placebo-controlled show....no effect beyond placebo in case after case.
I feel like finding out when and where the next homeopathic exhibition is and going to all the stores, trying then buying their candy and downing the whole lot in front of everyone.
Even if we assume that the "water memory" works, how does dripping that water on sugar pills and letting them dry work? Does sugar have memory as well?
I disagree. 'Have an open mind' means that even though there is an element of mystery to some things we can eventually figure them out if our minds are open. I'm trying to use very basic terms and words here but the bottom line is... for whatever reason homeopathy works for many and is a thriving form of health care. Personal responsibility is always relevant so if you do beleive that something doesn't work, whether you are professionally qualified to determine that or not- don't use it. OUT
@MeditateZen There is NO element of mystery, we fully understand how molecules work on this level. Homeopathy does NOT work, the only effects it displays is a placebo effect, which we have well documented and studied. It can not cure cancer, it can not mend broken bones, it can not fight diseases. You don't get to believe something works or not, FACTS are not believed in. So, are you going to hand me 500 bucks so I can make you a millionaire or not?
@MeditateZen Yes, you go ahead and disappear. You have nothing more than "I disagree" and the basic misinterpretation of what having an open mind means. These homeopath supporters can't even demonstrate the water has anything inside it other than water. But hey, we will go ahead and use your definition. Have an open mind, give me 500 bucks and I will mysteriously make you a millionaire.
Oh dear, and we were having such a nice debate! I'd like to think that we are not finished with science and therefore thinking and evolving that thinking for good!! Open your mind!
@MeditateZen You don't understand what an open mind means. An open mind means you are open to hearing ideas and looking at the evidence for claims. Homoeopathy has no evidence, the mathematics don't work out either. It works on the placebo effect, which is well documented. For the record, "have an open mind" is the last resort of someone with a failed argument and no backing. Having an open mind does not mean throwing logic and reason out the window.
The common sense answer would be that since it began with something in it then no matter how minute once diluted... there is 'something' in it. Unless you choose to look at it like a washing away of the original matter- not quite the same as rinsing dirt off your hands down the drain though! Keep in mind, I'm just learning myself.
@MeditateZen Molecules have a size. Their size can and has been calculated. Water is not some magical substance, its a ton of H2O molecules. So if you dilute something enough, you will eventually remove all molecules of it.
@MeditateZen Further, we don't run on common sense, we run on provable and demonstrably repeatable claims. That is how science works, that is how you even have a computer. No one needs to prove the wateri s empty, the homoeopaths have to prove the water has something in it. To reverse that logic means you now have to prove you don't owe me ten thousand dollars. Good luck with that.
this really made me very very angry. Irresonsiblle parent with the stupid non-justification 'each to their own' It is just complete grabage that can and does kill
True, psyzzle. They may be effective but the research has shown that the conventional vaccines ARE effective. I am not willing to take a chance on my child's life (not just health- life!!) I think it's selfish of some moms to know that they are protected for sure by the vaccine that they have received and then take a chance on the vaccine for their child! Sad. As for other remedies, use what works with the least harmful effects to the body. All these Advil addicts out there could benefit!
My children would never go through life without their conventional vaccines! People- if you don't know why you're choosing these polio and measle vaccines other than for the fact that you are choosing homeopathy- don't use them!! The conventional vaccines work!
@MeditateZen But there are plenty of homeopaths who claim there are homeopathic remedies for polio, for example. Why don't you trust them? How do you make the distinction?
The chemist said that the level of 'belladona', for example, was too minute to be detected and that the two sugars were easily detected. He didn't say that it was not present. I noticed that the host was claiming that he had said that there 'was nothing in it but sugar'. Pay attention! That's not what he said.
@MeditateZen You're arguing semantics? If there's less than a million millionth of the 'active ingredient' in the product, how can you say that there is anything in there? You know most water (even filtered) contains traces of minerals and other metals, etc in there, right? There's more of those things in drinking water than there is 'active ingredient' in homeopathic bullshit. Don't argue semantics, for all intents and purposes there's nothing in there.
The chemist researching the homeopathic medecines said very clearly that the level of 'belladona', for example, was too minute to be detected and that the two sugars were easily detected. He didn't say that it was not present. I noticed that for the rest of the program the host was claiming that he said there 'was nothing in it but sugar'. Pay attention- that's not what he said.
@MeditateZen Yeah because you cannot prove a negative. He was being scientifically accurate and she interpreted it into everyday language.
So if it is beyond the ability of modern equipment to detect the substance this does raise the important point of how do homoeopaths know that there is anything in these 'remedies' since they don't have any better detection ability?
I think that there is value in scientifically exploring the effectiveness of alternative and historical medicines. That said, homeopathy works no better than placebo, and should be discredited as such.
@regorris Agreed, but in order to do the science on alternative medicines, governments should stop giving the alternative medicines any preferential treatment, it ought to be under the exact same strict rules as regular medicine.
I do think it should be regulated. Those quacks can put whatever the hell they want in those bottles, and It's not as if I trust them.
Also, let's not forget that many of their ingredients are chosen specifically because they are normally harmful, and it's not as if I trust these people to dilute it competently.
Just a reminder that it's 2011 and we're still having debates about whether water remembers the stuff it used to have in it. Not only that, but the popularity of this belief is INCREASING and now has tacit government endorsement.
@harmonykrieg Ah, I'm also a rational dude and love it when anti-vacc people claim "it's my right." Because of "their" right, they've made the decision for some poor kid or individual who's immunocompromised.
"Whatever the mother chooses?" Sorry, but that's abuse of children. If the mother is not reasonably sane to protect her children, the children should be taken away!
So that mom giving her kids homeopathic vaccines condescendingly says that if people researched both sides, they might change their mind. It turns out she has no idea as to how homeopathy works (or more accurately, doesn't work). That sounds like some quality research on her part.
All respect to skepticism, but the group of skeptics in that show was really a showcase of the obnoxious stereotype of a skeptic. They are the skeptics who have no real reason for it, except that "it's cool" (in a small group at least). They tend to repeat stuff they hear from more acclaimed skeptics (or from Bullshit!), and don't bother to give them a second thought.
@Retardretroguy That's a reasonable criticism. Alot of skeptics are frustrated having to explain the same thing over and over and I'm sure that there are plenty of skeptics that, maybe, don't 100% understand science or critical thinking either. The big problem is attitude: we're so used to assaulting people's faulty logic but psychology suggests that the more people are told they are wrong, the more they are convinced that they are right. Skeptics have to subvert and not attack bad logic.
@Gilgamesh417 That's pretty much what I though. Additionally I do think the skeptical activism is actually reducing skeptical thinking. When something becomes a movement, it loses it's effect. I mean in the video we see a group (extremely stereotypical group, might I add) of men basically repeating an old Randi act. I wonder where they got the idea originally :-)
Homeopathy and all sort of alternative medicine is a big problem, but public stunts probably wont help.
@Retardretroguy Hmm, I kinda think the layperson should put aside independent thinking when it comes to science. They should listen to the scientists.
I kind of get what you're saying about repeating the Randi act, but I do think it makes a pithy and humourous point that will get noticed by the general public. As for the sceptics themselves, I don't really see your point. What's so stereotypical about them? They just look like people to me. I also don't think it's obnoxious of them to call something bullshit when it clearly is. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
@Retardretroguy I'm willing to bet they thought once or twice before downing entire bottles of the shit. I'm tired of people using the ad hominem attack that the skeptic is arrogant. That's irrelevant. If I claimed my Yorkshire Terrier was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, your response would likely seem to me to be quite arrogant.
@IMMatthu It's just that it's not ad hominem attack, or any sort of attack at all. I only pointed out the fact that they picked a group that doesn't give a good impression, and they made something totally pointless, they've seen someone else done before.
@StargateMunky Yup. It relies on one of tenets of science in that it's very rarely that we ever say "this DEFINITELY is the case." Homeopaths never seem to get the idea that they need to provide a reasonable mechanism and a testable hypothesis along with controlled, double-blind, large and random sample size studies. Guess they never learned how to design an experimental design.
Show's just how fucked human understanding is. Homeopathy and many "alternative" medicines require an extreme amount of stupidity. If there is intelligent life out there, I regretfully hope they never discover humans. No fucking way could humanity live down the shame of "alternative medicines, religions, and anti-vaccers. If the creatures have a sense of humor they'd probably die from all the rofl they'd be doing whether due to starvation or exhaustion, maybe both.
Oh for the love of sanity.... Homeopathic elixirs to "prevent" polio and measles, to cure cancer? This witch doctor shit makes me so. fucking. angry. And health Canada. Yeah, you guys. Thumb in your eye, you wankers! Boourns.
And I'm someone who uses home made herbals (poultices, liniments, creams, inhalants, pills) as treatment for some everyday ills.
Yup; nothing wrong with herbology - the stuff that's been tested and works, that is. Willow; menthol; grapefruit oil; garlic. You know, the stuff that science actually says has an effect consistent with the tradition. (Mind, stuff where there's been shown no correlation makes up the majority of many modern herbology books, but a little cross referencing is helpful).
But homeopathic preparations are, by definition, not medicine - unless you happen to be dehydrated.
@MyTotalCure Compare the amount of people who die using conventional medicine to their predicted outcomes with homeopathic 'remedies'. You sick bastards who promote this are sacrificing the health of those patients and others that they might infect with easily preventable transmissible diseases. Lying to someone by giving them a useless product might prevent them from getting actual treatment. Just because you can't OD easily on sugar or water does NOT mean it is an acceptable alternative.
Only 200k die yearly from prescription drugs? Whooping cough alone results in 295k deaths per annum worldwide, all of which are preventable with modern prescription drugs.
There are about 85k Type 1 diabetes cases in the US alone, all of which would die were it not for daily insulin. There are 600k people with Chrohn's disease who, while they do suffer a death sentence from the disease, have significant life extension from pharma.
Isn't it illegal to claim you can treat certain diseases (including cancer) in Canada? I know it is in Sweden. Hard to get sentenced for it though, and most are good enough to put in a "might" somewhere.
I'm so embarrassed to be in Ontario. I'm really afraid a family member will take one of these to treat a serious problem. I'm going to spread this video around to everyone I know and spread the message! Everyone should do the same.
showing that there is no evidence for a homeopathic mechanism doesn't prove that there is *no* mechanism at all. Unlikely as it is, there still *might* be some yet unknown mechanism to be discovered.
Instead, they should have pointed to the missing evidence that homeopathy works at all!
... There have been hundreds of studies and meta-studies, all of them showing clearly that homeopathy doesn't work at all -- the only benefit is the well-known (though not completely understood) placebo effect.
Yes, taking sugar pills helps you to feel better, if someone tells you, that those sugar pills will magically make you feel better; that's proven beyond doubt.
But that's no reason to promote sugar pills as a magical remedy.
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This is where ObamaCare will take America. One great way to save money will be to force the drug companies to embrace homeopathy, thereby reducing cost (because water is quite inexpensive). The resulting reduction in the population will eliminate the threat of bankruptcy that looms over Social Security. Those liberals sure are smart!
Yet another example of carefully thought-out policy analysis from a "conservative". Nothing that seems like hate-fueled paranoia here, folks; just patient, realistic analysis.
I hate it when parents act like their kids are something they own like a dog or something and not an individual human being. They either do something like put their kids in indoctrination-style homeschooling, circumcise baby boys "so he looks like his dad" or treat them with this quack medicine.
I blame religion for this SCAM. Religion builds hope in people. Hope in the mystic or sacred. Homeopathy is exactly the same thing. So it is Astrology. The "science" of the weak minded persons who can't make decisions by themselves and need the position of planets among starts as their personal flip coin...
These institutions need to be abolished for the face of the earth...
Health Canada needs to start educating people. Telling them, flat out, that homeopathic, fundie chiropractic, actupuncture, and other alt-med quackery are just that -- quackery with no evidence for legitimacy.
If people put themselves at risk by using this kind of misleading "medicine", as far as i'm concerned it's just a form of Darwinism. It's when they put their own children or other people at risk - like that mother who doesn't vaccinate her child against a host of easily preventable diseases - that it makes me sick. Is there a homeopathic cure for incomprehensible stupidity?
Priests behave similarly if you call them out. They just feign injury, and calmly assert their nonsense as if it were simple, blandly obvious facts.
Either that, or they flip out. Watching the flip-out is more fun - and is another behavior common to scientologists and homeopaths when they're not on camera.
Homeopathy is a con and I'm suprised a country like Canada hasn't realised it yet
These poeple are risking other people's children by not vaccinating their own children and should be prosecuted for doing so - if my child died as a result of these idiots using a crap pseudoscience then I would prosecute!
@psychopam It is a con, unfortunately it's a popular con, and the politicians will just about always got for the popular vote if it'll give them a few extra votes.
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Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
@DrNancyMalik either believes what she's saying (in which case she's an idiot) or she doesn't (in which case she's a liar). In either case, a smart person will steer clear.
You are like a bad penny that keeps turning up with that same exact phrase, word for word on every video about homeopathy. I'm not surprised that a lazy charlatan like you would just copy and paste the same old nonsense every time without even thinking, that is what you do to you unwitting patients without worrying about the fact that it is bullshit.
And "Nano-medicine", my ass! Yes, water molecules are very small, but that doesn't make it medicine, you quack! What nerve!
I feel that homeopathy consumers do not really understand what homeopathy is or how the drugs are made. Liquid drugs are literally just water and the pills are literally just sugar, as the tests done in this video have shown. To suggest that a drug dose less than what is measurable by modern technology has any physiological effect is absolutely ridiculous.
FeelsLike32 3 weeks ago
The placebo effect can only be explained when the patient 1) knows they are taking a medicine 2) and secondly believe it works. The thing about homeopathy is, the statistics make it clear that the stuff works even for animals and very young babies who don't understand what medicine or homeopathy is, and that homeopathy also works for people who don't believe in it. My research continues... I don't think this is a black and white issue. Modern science may not be as advanced as we think.
simonealisa 2 months ago
@simonealisa How many times can you be wrong in three sentences?
The placebo effect occurs when there is an intervention, regardless of the type of intervention. It could be capsule, injection, false accupuncture, or even intercessory prayer. Belief in the intervention is unnecessary. The phenomenon is related to the perception and expectation that the patient has, if they are lead to believe the effect will be positive, it tests positive, if negative, it tests negative (nocebo).
...continued
murdocha 1 month ago
@simonealisa ...continued
The placebo effect observed in animals and children is most likely observational bias on the part of the owner or veterinarian. Any positive outcome is construed as being due to the action of the placebo. Any double-blinded placebo controlled study will show that there is no effect beyond placebo in animal testing.
If you are truly doing research, it is significantly lacking in depth.
murdocha 1 month ago
That mother should be beaten up.
Nomiss9 2 months ago
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The israelites, who spawned all white people, including real jews, are going to crush the talmudists, communists, satanists and other perverts and cowards along with holoCOSTianity.
oveid 3 months ago
Or more correctly, they don't want us to find the cure! They already know it exists. For one, cannabis oil (oil from the bud of the plant) cures cancer. This is shown in the documentary Run From The Cure (can be found on youtube). You can also google: cannabis cures cancer, cannabinoids and cancer. You will be amazed with what you find. Take care and spread the word.
likeOMGitsUNLTD 3 months ago
Honestly, Steven Sager the "cancer specialist" knows something most don't. He calls homeopathy a scam in treating cancer. That may be true, but what he doesn't mention is that chemotherapy and other conventional medicine is ineffective at treating cancer. Chemo and radiation combined have a 2% success rate, and they're in place so it stays that way. Why? They have made a (billion dollar) industry out of cancer research and treatment. They don't want to find a cure! (continued in next comment)
likeOMGitsUNLTD 3 months ago
This tv company are illiterate attention seekers assisted by overdose halfwits.
and Doctors overflowing with prejudice and self interest.
Further, the foul bigotry is all to evident in these columns.
sheradized 4 months ago
@sheradized All you do is go around on these videos calling scientists "bigots". I wonder what your self interest is? I bet you make money off of this junk sugar yourself.
battleaxegoblin 4 months ago
@sheradized Pointing out that water has no memory is not "bigoted".
antitheist1980 1 month ago
Sorry homeopaths, I don't think my witch doctor would support me using your water medicine in conjunction with the leeches.
ciaobellakate 5 months ago
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Those poor kids.
ciaobellakate 5 months ago
if you use the right machine. why doesn't the company make this machine to proove thier point. this is a very very dangerous joke.
wcresponder 6 months ago
Well you might get screwed by regular vaccines as well... so what should one do? Right?
Diffrentjamsith 6 months ago
@Diffrentjamsith In what way? The evidence that it causes autism is very dodgy. I wouldn't be a big fan of pharmaceutical firms but I don't think I'd be a big fan of polio either.
Smithpolly 6 months ago
@Smithpolly You do not pay attention to much of this do you? It has caused death, ADHD and other conditions in children. I do not trust the companies when they first come up with the bird flu and then the swine flu, when research shows that more people die from regular flu than people died of bird and swine flu.
Diffrentjamsith 6 months ago
@Diffrentjamsith The evidence that it has caused ADHD in children has been debunked and there's a lot of evidence to show that bird and swine flu were a real danger. However, even if I'm wrong on both these points, that doesn't take away from the fact that polio, measles and german measles are all terrible diseases. The vacine has meant that people have been able to forget how terrifying the epidemics were and the death and permanent disability that hose diseases caused.
Smithpolly 6 months ago
@Smithpolly So a child with no vaccines can't possibly live in this world can they. And we could not live before pizza was invented? I have no vaccines, but I have one hell of a great immune system, and that is all that matters!
Diffrentjamsith 6 months ago
@Diffrentjamsith Could you show me where I said or implied that " So a child with no vaccines can't possibly live in this world"
Smithpolly 6 months ago
@Diffrentjamsith The reason that those without vaccines are fine is because the majority of people have been vaccinated. Therefore unprotected people like yourself don't come in contact with these diseases to begin with. I am hesitant to trust everything the gov't might tell us to do, but to say that the quality of life would be better without vaccines seems kind of silly.
battleaxegoblin 4 months ago
@battleaxegoblin herd immunity is impossible to achieve. The reason why unvaccinated people are fine has nothing to do with the "majority" being vaccinated. Do more research and you'll see it's soon obvious, there is something else which is preventing these diseases occurring in the unvaccinated. By the way, when there is an outbreak of something like measles - often times the vaccinated are actually more effected then the unvaccinated. Vaccines are not 100%, far from it.
simonealisa 2 months ago
@simonealisa I presume you mean "affected" not "effected". The other point is your complete misunderstanding of science and science-based medicine.
Nobody ever stated vaccines are 100% effective, that would be a blatant lie.
Stop constructing straw man arguments and actually do some research.
I suppose you have some genius insight into the recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases in undervaccinated populations?
murdocha 1 month ago
I wanna strangle that one who keeps saying you can't just measure it
KevinPatrickCarey 6 months ago
staffordshire
Lempo79 7 months ago
Fuck
MrNDUDE16 7 months ago
Just google: Hans Von Euler - Nobel Lecture
It's a PDF file
mohanaturo 7 months ago
Way back in the 1930's when people thought that Homeopathy was magical/mystical, Hans Von Euler did tests and stated: "I will simply state that on this basis we now understand how quantities of one millionth of a gram and less of a poison may be sufficient to paralyse or annihilate an organism; the quantity of the catalysts required to be inactivated in the poisoning of an organ is not greater than the quantity of poison used. There is therefore nothing mystical in the homeopathic doses".
mohanaturo 7 months ago
@mohanaturo Why is it then, that you can't OD on homeopathic drugs?
kimanyv 7 months ago
Pseudoskepticism should be classified as a religion.
Homeopathy is science backed by studies done by 3 Nobel Laureate scientists in Chemistry(Hans Von Euler), Physics(Brian Josephson) and Physiology & Medicine(Luc Montagnier) and numerous other scientists who are specialists in their fields of work.
mohanaturo 8 months ago
@mohanaturo
How exactly does this qualify as pseudoskepticism? As a matter of fact, what is "pseudoskepticism" anyway? Is it like pseudoscience?
And you claim Josephson and Von Euler did studies involving homeopathy. I can't seem to find their papers, would you be so kind as to provide me with a link to them?
The study done by Montagnier you're talking about is probably the one where he was able to detect a DNA molecule in a very high dilution. Well, allow me to quote Montagnier himself: 7:46
wesselbindt 8 months ago
Homeopathy bot only takes your money but also your life!
qlau82 9 months ago
4:20 a desi woman(homeopath) bullshitting the white woman. section 420 of the Indian Penal Code deals with cons, Coincidence????
prithwin 9 months ago
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leslieannedancey 11 months ago
The comments section to this video on CBC shows approximately 900 comments from users and practitioners who are extremely satisfied with the results they get from homeopathy.
den151redbank 11 months ago
@den151redbank clearly you have not read any of the comments
bengalslash 11 months ago
Next year I bet candy companies will start selling homeopathy brands of their products. Got the flu? Try this homeopathic snickers bar.
Nineball7 1 year ago
listen to James Randi on homeopathic remedies, debunked? i'd say so
AHSmgaAHS 1 year ago 3
Right, because treating patients with "medicine" created under dubious processes without the practitioners even knowing how their bulls-hit works is such an effective method of treatment.
frankystein12 1 year ago
3:50 - They spelled homeopathy wrong.
Victim15 1 year ago
For the record, many doctors actually WILL give you a placebo - it has caused concern and debate from an ethical perspective. Further, placebos work even when the person taking them knows they are placebos.
I'm fascinated by what takes place in the mind to cause it to override, invert, and/or enhance the "proven" effects of actual drugs based on the taker's expectation. Harnessing that is where the future lies.
mshealthwellness1 1 year ago
I do agree with the unfortunately clearly bias tone of this story. I would have preferred a more professional piece, and expected one from CBC.
MyLawns 1 year ago
@MyLawns Bias? Where. Care to point out anything that was misleading? Anything not factual? Any point of view not presented and given equal time?
Nemesis000000 1 year ago
wow. hope it wakes some idiots up. lol
DATBOIPatGMAIL 1 year ago
This is scary.
ssijak 1 year ago
I would have preferred if they'd taken a more neutral tone for this segment. I agree with the point that they're making, but the snarky tone they're taking hurts the presentation of it. They should have just presented it neutral with evidence, and no tone in their voices. Leave that stuff up to Penn and Teller. The actual data is all the snark you need.
IstasPumaNevada 1 year ago
@IstasPumaNevada Plenty of other pieces have tried the "equal time" presentation, but it only dilutes (haha) the message: homeopathy is an unabashed scam. Why give "equal time" to an absurd notion? Too many pieces pretend that there might actually be some legitimacy to homeopathy, which just helps these criminals deceive the public more readily.
suzushirou 1 year ago
Why are placebos illegal in mainstream medicine but allowed for this junk medicine? OMG, that kid is vaccinated against NOTHING. Mother's who are gullible shouldn't be making decisions. Con's should be exposed and made illegal.
cutes22 1 year ago 14
@cutes22 Because the acceptance of quackery as a form of "alternative" medicine has created a double standard: these frauds are allowed to trick their patient; doctors are not. This puts them at enormous advantage.
CharizardFireGod 4 months ago
how can Power balance get sued for being a con, yet these people cant? At least power balance's worst side effect is reducing the bank balance of gullible people. This mob kills children.
meljh82 1 year ago
The sad part is that by not giving her child conventional vaccines, she is endangering the lives of OTHER people's children as well. Her child will get something they should have been vaccinated for when they're older, and infect a child who has not had a chance to get the vaccine.
Homeopathy should be ILLEGAL
Balian49 1 year ago 2
"Whatever the mother chooses is her choice"
What bullshit.
Springheel01 1 year ago
Scammers will never admit there bullshit.
MrAtheist1984 1 year ago 3
Someone said below: "for whatever reason homeopathy works". It is not "whatever reason", it is the placebo effect - clear and simple. If Merck or Pfizer sold a line of sugar pills, but lied to the public and marketed them as having health benefits, many people would take those pills and feel better. The placebo would work. But where "Big Pharma" would be vilified for selling placebos, the homeopathy sellers are embraced and protected by legislation.
It's time to call a spade a spade.
Woodlandview 1 year ago 32
@Woodlandview How do you explain it working on animals? They don't know what a pill is or anything for that matter.
14sJakeB190 3 months ago
@14sJakeB190
Just google: "placebo and animals" .
*sigh*
manunderyourbed 3 months ago
@manunderyourbed The explanations lack absolute facts to disprove it. It's just an explanation of how it wouldn't work. You can explain how anything may or may not work.
14sJakeB190 3 months ago
@14sJakeB190 Because the animal study wasn't double-blinded. The data was gathered and interpreted by humans - humans in this case who are active proponents of homeopathy. The same results were NOT obtained by independently repeated experiments. So, in short, the animal studies are just more scams. But homeopathy is a billion dollar scam, so it's well worth it.
Woodlandview 3 months ago
@Woodlandview Okay then. Well I guess someone should conduct that study.
I'm still not convinced that several scientist would have miscounted.
14sJakeB190 3 months ago
@14sJakeB190 That is exactly why studies must be peer-reviewed and repeatable. Those studies that are well designed, double-blinded, placebo-controlled show....no effect beyond placebo in case after case.
murdocha 1 month ago
"To each their own"
Yea that argument doesn't really work when it comes to facts.
"2 + 2 = 5, hey, its my opinion, to each their own, perhaps these mathematicians who are so sure the answer is 4 are just closed minded."
BubbleGumNipples 1 year ago
Try Islamic medicine instead!~ Islamic medicine is far more superior !
groundzerobuild 1 year ago
@groundzerobuild BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
thisismynamehahaha 9 months ago
Merseyside Skeptics will be redoing their 10:23 campaign this year and there will be representation in Canada. For more information google 1023
murdocha 1 year ago
I feel like finding out when and where the next homeopathic exhibition is and going to all the stores, trying then buying their candy and downing the whole lot in front of everyone.
fakesmith797 1 year ago
Even if we assume that the "water memory" works, how does dripping that water on sugar pills and letting them dry work? Does sugar have memory as well?
grape387 1 year ago
I disagree. 'Have an open mind' means that even though there is an element of mystery to some things we can eventually figure them out if our minds are open. I'm trying to use very basic terms and words here but the bottom line is... for whatever reason homeopathy works for many and is a thriving form of health care. Personal responsibility is always relevant so if you do beleive that something doesn't work, whether you are professionally qualified to determine that or not- don't use it. OUT
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen There is NO element of mystery, we fully understand how molecules work on this level. Homeopathy does NOT work, the only effects it displays is a placebo effect, which we have well documented and studied. It can not cure cancer, it can not mend broken bones, it can not fight diseases. You don't get to believe something works or not, FACTS are not believed in. So, are you going to hand me 500 bucks so I can make you a millionaire or not?
Shyhalu 1 year ago 2
@MeditateZen Yes, you go ahead and disappear. You have nothing more than "I disagree" and the basic misinterpretation of what having an open mind means. These homeopath supporters can't even demonstrate the water has anything inside it other than water. But hey, we will go ahead and use your definition. Have an open mind, give me 500 bucks and I will mysteriously make you a millionaire.
Shyhalu 1 year ago
Oh dear, and we were having such a nice debate! I'd like to think that we are not finished with science and therefore thinking and evolving that thinking for good!! Open your mind!
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen You don't understand what an open mind means. An open mind means you are open to hearing ideas and looking at the evidence for claims. Homoeopathy has no evidence, the mathematics don't work out either. It works on the placebo effect, which is well documented. For the record, "have an open mind" is the last resort of someone with a failed argument and no backing. Having an open mind does not mean throwing logic and reason out the window.
Shyhalu 1 year ago
@MeditateZen If I told you that you could give me 500 dollars and I could make you a millionaire, would you do it?
Shyhalu 1 year ago
The common sense answer would be that since it began with something in it then no matter how minute once diluted... there is 'something' in it. Unless you choose to look at it like a washing away of the original matter- not quite the same as rinsing dirt off your hands down the drain though! Keep in mind, I'm just learning myself.
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen Molecules have a size. Their size can and has been calculated. Water is not some magical substance, its a ton of H2O molecules. So if you dilute something enough, you will eventually remove all molecules of it.
Shyhalu 1 year ago
@MeditateZen Further, we don't run on common sense, we run on provable and demonstrably repeatable claims. That is how science works, that is how you even have a computer. No one needs to prove the wateri s empty, the homoeopaths have to prove the water has something in it. To reverse that logic means you now have to prove you don't owe me ten thousand dollars. Good luck with that.
Shyhalu 1 year ago
this really made me very very angry. Irresonsiblle parent with the stupid non-justification 'each to their own' It is just complete grabage that can and does kill
pete975 1 year ago
True, psyzzle. They may be effective but the research has shown that the conventional vaccines ARE effective. I am not willing to take a chance on my child's life (not just health- life!!) I think it's selfish of some moms to know that they are protected for sure by the vaccine that they have received and then take a chance on the vaccine for their child! Sad. As for other remedies, use what works with the least harmful effects to the body. All these Advil addicts out there could benefit!
MeditateZen 1 year ago
My children would never go through life without their conventional vaccines! People- if you don't know why you're choosing these polio and measle vaccines other than for the fact that you are choosing homeopathy- don't use them!! The conventional vaccines work!
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen But there are plenty of homeopaths who claim there are homeopathic remedies for polio, for example. Why don't you trust them? How do you make the distinction?
psyzzle 1 year ago
The chemist said that the level of 'belladona', for example, was too minute to be detected and that the two sugars were easily detected. He didn't say that it was not present. I noticed that the host was claiming that he had said that there 'was nothing in it but sugar'. Pay attention! That's not what he said.
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen You're arguing semantics? If there's less than a million millionth of the 'active ingredient' in the product, how can you say that there is anything in there? You know most water (even filtered) contains traces of minerals and other metals, etc in there, right? There's more of those things in drinking water than there is 'active ingredient' in homeopathic bullshit. Don't argue semantics, for all intents and purposes there's nothing in there.
2ndtoJohn 1 year ago
The chemist researching the homeopathic medecines said very clearly that the level of 'belladona', for example, was too minute to be detected and that the two sugars were easily detected. He didn't say that it was not present. I noticed that for the rest of the program the host was claiming that he said there 'was nothing in it but sugar'. Pay attention- that's not what he said.
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@MeditateZen Yeah because you cannot prove a negative. He was being scientifically accurate and she interpreted it into everyday language.
So if it is beyond the ability of modern equipment to detect the substance this does raise the important point of how do homoeopaths know that there is anything in these 'remedies' since they don't have any better detection ability?
pete975 1 year ago
I think that there is value in scientifically exploring the effectiveness of alternative and historical medicines. That said, homeopathy works no better than placebo, and should be discredited as such.
regorris 1 year ago
@regorris Agreed, but in order to do the science on alternative medicines, governments should stop giving the alternative medicines any preferential treatment, it ought to be under the exact same strict rules as regular medicine.
AGrandt 1 year ago
We are entering a new dark age.
oisiaa 1 year ago 3
@oisiaa
An Ontario Government-approved dark age :(
icarus313 1 year ago
I do think it should be regulated. Those quacks can put whatever the hell they want in those bottles, and It's not as if I trust them.
Also, let's not forget that many of their ingredients are chosen specifically because they are normally harmful, and it's not as if I trust these people to dilute it competently.
Fjarhultian 1 year ago
Just a reminder that it's 2011 and we're still having debates about whether water remembers the stuff it used to have in it. Not only that, but the popularity of this belief is INCREASING and now has tacit government endorsement.
10mintwo 1 year ago
A right of the parents? What about the rights of the child do not be vulnerable to deadly diseases which are freely vaccinated against?
harmonykrieg 1 year ago 3
@harmonykrieg Ah, I'm also a rational dude and love it when anti-vacc people claim "it's my right." Because of "their" right, they've made the decision for some poor kid or individual who's immunocompromised.
Gilgamesh417 1 year ago
"Whatever the mother chooses?" Sorry, but that's abuse of children. If the mother is not reasonably sane to protect her children, the children should be taken away!
nomaed 1 year ago
So that mom giving her kids homeopathic vaccines condescendingly says that if people researched both sides, they might change their mind. It turns out she has no idea as to how homeopathy works (or more accurately, doesn't work). That sounds like some quality research on her part.
folkerhero 1 year ago
All respect to skepticism, but the group of skeptics in that show was really a showcase of the obnoxious stereotype of a skeptic. They are the skeptics who have no real reason for it, except that "it's cool" (in a small group at least). They tend to repeat stuff they hear from more acclaimed skeptics (or from Bullshit!), and don't bother to give them a second thought.
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy
those were people from the center for inquiry, they are a very important group.
phallictractor 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy That's a reasonable criticism. Alot of skeptics are frustrated having to explain the same thing over and over and I'm sure that there are plenty of skeptics that, maybe, don't 100% understand science or critical thinking either. The big problem is attitude: we're so used to assaulting people's faulty logic but psychology suggests that the more people are told they are wrong, the more they are convinced that they are right. Skeptics have to subvert and not attack bad logic.
Gilgamesh417 1 year ago
@Gilgamesh417 That's pretty much what I though. Additionally I do think the skeptical activism is actually reducing skeptical thinking. When something becomes a movement, it loses it's effect. I mean in the video we see a group (extremely stereotypical group, might I add) of men basically repeating an old Randi act. I wonder where they got the idea originally :-)
Homeopathy and all sort of alternative medicine is a big problem, but public stunts probably wont help.
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
@Gilgamesh417 Also I have to add; Repeating what some magician has done, probably isn't the best way to support independent thinking.
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy STFU
StargateMunky 1 year ago
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@StargateMunky Don't blame me if you don't like the truth
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy Hmm, I kinda think the layperson should put aside independent thinking when it comes to science. They should listen to the scientists.
IMMatthu 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy
I kind of get what you're saying about repeating the Randi act, but I do think it makes a pithy and humourous point that will get noticed by the general public. As for the sceptics themselves, I don't really see your point. What's so stereotypical about them? They just look like people to me. I also don't think it's obnoxious of them to call something bullshit when it clearly is. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
icarus313 1 year ago
@Retardretroguy I'm willing to bet they thought once or twice before downing entire bottles of the shit. I'm tired of people using the ad hominem attack that the skeptic is arrogant. That's irrelevant. If I claimed my Yorkshire Terrier was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, your response would likely seem to me to be quite arrogant.
IMMatthu 1 year ago
@IMMatthu It's just that it's not ad hominem attack, or any sort of attack at all. I only pointed out the fact that they picked a group that doesn't give a good impression, and they made something totally pointless, they've seen someone else done before.
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
The fool and his money are soon parted.
neoc0n 1 year ago
"There is no evidence that this works"
It must be rephrased:
"There is strong evidence that this does not work!"
ketanovas 1 year ago
@ketanovas umm no.
There is no evidence that it works.
Thats what the double blind test says.
Homeopathy hides behind the idea of "prove a logical negative"
StargateMunky 1 year ago
@StargateMunky Yup. It relies on one of tenets of science in that it's very rarely that we ever say "this DEFINITELY is the case." Homeopaths never seem to get the idea that they need to provide a reasonable mechanism and a testable hypothesis along with controlled, double-blind, large and random sample size studies. Guess they never learned how to design an experimental design.
Gilgamesh417 1 year ago 2
@StargateMunky Why isn't this evidence of absence, and not absence of evidence? Because the test of course had a big statistical confidence.
ketanovas 1 year ago
@MyTotalCure Good luck with sugar-pills, hope you don't get diabetes!
looksintolasers 1 year ago
Show's just how fucked human understanding is. Homeopathy and many "alternative" medicines require an extreme amount of stupidity. If there is intelligent life out there, I regretfully hope they never discover humans. No fucking way could humanity live down the shame of "alternative medicines, religions, and anti-vaccers. If the creatures have a sense of humor they'd probably die from all the rofl they'd be doing whether due to starvation or exhaustion, maybe both.
mistereveready 1 year ago
science ftw
falsepark 1 year ago
I wanna be on the homeopathy pill busting beard gang!
inamorty 1 year ago
@inamorty join cfi vancouver
modchips4u 1 year ago
Oh for the love of sanity.... Homeopathic elixirs to "prevent" polio and measles, to cure cancer? This witch doctor shit makes me so. fucking. angry. And health Canada. Yeah, you guys. Thumb in your eye, you wankers! Boourns.
And I'm someone who uses home made herbals (poultices, liniments, creams, inhalants, pills) as treatment for some everyday ills.
dgm1514 1 year ago 2
@dgm1514
Yup; nothing wrong with herbology - the stuff that's been tested and works, that is. Willow; menthol; grapefruit oil; garlic. You know, the stuff that science actually says has an effect consistent with the tradition. (Mind, stuff where there's been shown no correlation makes up the majority of many modern herbology books, but a little cross referencing is helpful).
But homeopathic preparations are, by definition, not medicine - unless you happen to be dehydrated.
Fordi 1 year ago
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MyTotalCure 1 year ago
@MyTotalCure Compare the amount of people who die using conventional medicine to their predicted outcomes with homeopathic 'remedies'. You sick bastards who promote this are sacrificing the health of those patients and others that they might infect with easily preventable transmissible diseases. Lying to someone by giving them a useless product might prevent them from getting actual treatment. Just because you can't OD easily on sugar or water does NOT mean it is an acceptable alternative.
Pokarot 1 year ago
@MyTotalCure Congratulations, you officially are an idiot!
Give homeopathy instead of drugs to ALL those americans, and you'll have 20 million deaths.
ketanovas 1 year ago
@MyTotalCure
Only 200k die yearly from prescription drugs? Whooping cough alone results in 295k deaths per annum worldwide, all of which are preventable with modern prescription drugs.
There are about 85k Type 1 diabetes cases in the US alone, all of which would die were it not for daily insulin. There are 600k people with Chrohn's disease who, while they do suffer a death sentence from the disease, have significant life extension from pharma.
How much of that 200k is voluntary OD?
Fordi 1 year ago
Isn't it illegal to claim you can treat certain diseases (including cancer) in Canada? I know it is in Sweden. Hard to get sentenced for it though, and most are good enough to put in a "might" somewhere.
MrQuispiam 1 year ago
I'm so embarrassed to be in Ontario. I'm really afraid a family member will take one of these to treat a serious problem. I'm going to spread this video around to everyone I know and spread the message! Everyone should do the same.
Tonezinator 1 year ago 3
I consider the debunking approach flawed:
showing that there is no evidence for a homeopathic mechanism doesn't prove that there is *no* mechanism at all. Unlikely as it is, there still *might* be some yet unknown mechanism to be discovered.
Instead, they should have pointed to the missing evidence that homeopathy works at all!
Bender1sBack 1 year ago
... There have been hundreds of studies and meta-studies, all of them showing clearly that homeopathy doesn't work at all -- the only benefit is the well-known (though not completely understood) placebo effect.
Yes, taking sugar pills helps you to feel better, if someone tells you, that those sugar pills will magically make you feel better; that's proven beyond doubt.
But that's no reason to promote sugar pills as a magical remedy.
Bender1sBack 1 year ago 2
@Bender1sBack
It's great that this piece doesn't commit the false-balance fallacy, but I agree.
rulesandwisdom 1 year ago
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This is where ObamaCare will take America. One great way to save money will be to force the drug companies to embrace homeopathy, thereby reducing cost (because water is quite inexpensive). The resulting reduction in the population will eliminate the threat of bankruptcy that looms over Social Security. Those liberals sure are smart!
heliomphalodon 1 year ago
@heliomphalodon
Yet another example of carefully thought-out policy analysis from a "conservative". Nothing that seems like hate-fueled paranoia here, folks; just patient, realistic analysis.
/sarcasm
Fordi 1 year ago
"To each their own."
Can I choose for you?
bendem94 1 year ago
@bendem94 Maybe the kid should get to choose !
w1ldrover 1 year ago
"To each their own."?
I hate it when parents act like their kids are something they own like a dog or something and not an individual human being. They either do something like put their kids in indoctrination-style homeschooling, circumcise baby boys "so he looks like his dad" or treat them with this quack medicine.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
I blame religion for this SCAM. Religion builds hope in people. Hope in the mystic or sacred. Homeopathy is exactly the same thing. So it is Astrology. The "science" of the weak minded persons who can't make decisions by themselves and need the position of planets among starts as their personal flip coin...
These institutions need to be abolished for the face of the earth...
T0B0KKE 1 year ago 3
Well, at least it has no side effects! [/sarcasm]
brennakj 1 year ago
I hope that woman's kid doesn't get whooping cough or polio, but if he does, it'll be her fault.
Cabochon1360 1 year ago 3
Health Canada needs to start educating people. Telling them, flat out, that homeopathic, fundie chiropractic, actupuncture, and other alt-med quackery are just that -- quackery with no evidence for legitimacy.
SicariusBarritus 1 year ago 2
Damn that's costy sugar pills.
chronius9 1 year ago
If people put themselves at risk by using this kind of misleading "medicine", as far as i'm concerned it's just a form of Darwinism. It's when they put their own children or other people at risk - like that mother who doesn't vaccinate her child against a host of easily preventable diseases - that it makes me sick. Is there a homeopathic cure for incomprehensible stupidity?
DHScherocha 1 year ago
The manner of homeopathy advocates reminds me of scientologists: both calmly peddle their own brand of nonsense.
ianchard 1 year ago 2
@ianchard
Although to my knowledge the homeopath doesn't kill your dog if you speak out against homeopathy.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ianchard
Priests behave similarly if you call them out. They just feign injury, and calmly assert their nonsense as if it were simple, blandly obvious facts.
Either that, or they flip out. Watching the flip-out is more fun - and is another behavior common to scientologists and homeopaths when they're not on camera.
Fordi 1 year ago
"perhaps science hasn't developed the technology to detect the differences"
..so how does the manufacturer verify dosage is correct?
milkmage 1 year ago 3
@milkmage Dosage? Remember, it is supposed to be a "memory" of the active ingredient - what would be the dosage of a memory?
lusepuster 1 year ago
A choice is free only when people know all the facts about the choices. People have to know that this is a scam, and then they can be free to choose.
CowardsBendTheKnee 1 year ago
Great job exposing the criminal cult of homeopathy.
skepticat1 1 year ago 16
"To prevent polio"
Speechless. These people should be locked up.
8prattwalk 1 year ago 2
Homeopathy is a con and I'm suprised a country like Canada hasn't realised it yet
These poeple are risking other people's children by not vaccinating their own children and should be prosecuted for doing so - if my child died as a result of these idiots using a crap pseudoscience then I would prosecute!
psychopam 1 year ago 56
@psychopam
You could never prosecute a case like that because of the indirect causality and lack of legal precedent, but I'd support you just the same!
icarus313 1 year ago
@psychopam It is a con, unfortunately it's a popular con, and the politicians will just about always got for the popular vote if it'll give them a few extra votes.
AGrandt 1 year ago
Homeopathy is a con and I'm suprised a country like Canada hasn't realised it yet
psychopam 1 year ago 2
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Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
DrNancyMalik 1 year ago
@DrNancyMalik either believes what she's saying (in which case she's an idiot) or she doesn't (in which case she's a liar). In either case, a smart person will steer clear.
LilJimmyNordin 1 year ago
@DrNancyMalik
You are like a bad penny that keeps turning up with that same exact phrase, word for word on every video about homeopathy. I'm not surprised that a lazy charlatan like you would just copy and paste the same old nonsense every time without even thinking, that is what you do to you unwitting patients without worrying about the fact that it is bullshit.
And "Nano-medicine", my ass! Yes, water molecules are very small, but that doesn't make it medicine, you quack! What nerve!
Nilguiri 1 year ago 3
@DrNancyMalik
You are a dangerous misleading liar. There is no quality evidence for homeopathy working above placebo effect. It's a simple as that.
StevIestallion 1 year ago
@DrNancyMalik
There is no evidence-based homeopathy. Go ahead. Lie to us again.
Fordi 1 year ago
Supplements, Complementary and Alternative Medicine - S.C.A.M.
gjc278 1 year ago 63
Okay- open your mind. Not everything 'new age' is scammy! Do some research! Suppliments??!!! Cman!
MeditateZen 1 year ago
@gjc278
NaturalRearing 1 year ago
@gjc278 I have been using classical homeopathy for over 8 years now. On livestock, dogs, cats,
goats, poultry and myself too. It DOES work. When humans finally do "get it", I hope that you'll be
loudly proclaiming your apologies. I can't believe that people blindly trust pHARMa companies with
their toxic and harmful doses of meds...but, to each their own. (NaturalRearing)
NaturalRearing 1 year ago
@NaturalRearing Where is your evidence that conventional pharmaceuticals are "toxic" and "harmful"? Who told you that? Are you a bio-chemist?
By the way, did you know that oxygen is toxic and harmful? Oh yes it is. Oxygen is highly corrosive.
Did you know that water can kill you? If you drink enough water to unbalance your electrolytes you will die.
So just because some nobody says that conventional pharmaceuticals are "toxic" or "harmful", there's no reason to blindly believe them.
Ozzah 1 year ago
@NaturalRearing Science shoes its ineffictive, say it works all you want.
cary123 1 year ago
No wonder the quacks were worried: it tells the truth about homeopathy.
zeno2712 1 year ago 6