I personally liked the story, i could not get myself to watch the whole movie since i knew what was going to happen after reading the whole book, i just watched it to see how the characters were depicted, as i was reading the book i imagined them just a bit younger LOOKING. Overall I think they did a great job.
i just finished watching this movie on showtime. like some of the posters on here, i didn't understand the ending either. only thing that i could think of is that he didn't want to leave her again and he wants to protect her. when you are a parent, its hard to understand the situations we get into when it involves your child. now if it was me,..i'da been done shot the sheet out of the muthasucker's wife's sick brother and make them eat him.
I've just read and discussed this book for my English class. It was dark and left me pretty depressed and confused at the end (I did like it though) but I've learned in class that this is the think Coetzee is trying to do with his novels. This movie looks quite powerful (I love John Malcovich) although I'm reading some negative reviews here but we're going to watch half an hour in class next week so I'm still looking forward to it ^^
@Qjemuse the book is better n more detailed then the movie, then again all books are, the reader always has a different view in every situation, i think many parents can identify themselves with professor Lurie in many ways specially if they've gone thru similar life situation, the story was kind of like a mid-life crisis for this professor, and what unfortunately happens to his daughter is sort of like a wake up call for him overall. I recommend that you read the book first :)
I cant believe I wasted my time on this movie. I will never ever believe any good reviews from Ebert ever again. One pathetic scene after another till the ending with no resolution. I am even pissed at block buster for letting there customers rent this shit! I am going to tell every one that I do not like that it was a great movie.
This movie was a bit weird and confusing and a tad bit disturbing.
I can tell you this.
If the person who raped my Daughter was standing in front of me, days after the incident, free to do whatever he liked, he would have been dead where he stood. I would have no had the will to fight the urge and would have gladly gone to jail for it.
@mrceebees14 You didn't read the book did you? The way David Lurie reacted to his daughter's rape reflected the views of a post apartheid South Africa...not the views and morals of modern people living in the likes of the US or UK.
@jollyradical But its called Disgrace...so is it really made for those white liberals as a means to reassert their authoritative, centralized selves in the hegemonic social order or is it a means of undermining it? if you read the book you'll see how its really not coloured (I find) at all. And in terms of justice the question Coetzee lays out is what kind of justice is truly just? Or who's justice is more just?
@mella1970 Karma as in whites getting what they deserve for previous rule? It was better for both races before Anglo SAs gave power to the black SAs, and black on white murder/rape/torture goes back to the mid 1600s.
I just watched 'disgrace' and thought it would've been nice if they'd had ended the movie with the horrifying statistics, pictures and video of what's happening to whites there. A disappointment, not enough truth revealed.
@jakestep17 I think you guys are missing the point. its not about karma or who gets it. i mean you're both right - that point is raised. but talking about this film and the conflicts in it in this karmic eye for an eye sort of manner only perpetuates the racial conflicts, don't you think? its not about whether whites are being treated poorly or blacks are...identifying negative representations will get us no where! we have to break down the structure of the discourse
Man has consensual sex with his adult student. Girl tells family. He's openly humiliated by her dad, threatened and menaced by her brother, everyone hates him, he's kicked out of his job. When visiting his white daughter, she's gang raped 3 blacks who also bash his head and light him on fire. He accepts the humiliation, the daughter doesn't want revenge and even wants to marry the uncle of one of the rapists. This sick movie was made for white liberals and is an insult to any sense of justice.
God, I fucking hate this movie. Why am I the only person? My son who raped your daughter and set you on fire is too young to marry her so I will marry her. WTF? BLAM you're all fucking dead, that's WTF!
Sometimes you watch a movie you have a need to talk about with friends or someone with different opinions . But wtf was wrong with his dumb daughter , seriously can anyone be like her .. had to take a few breaks , and I 've seen much crazier shit
The book is a fantastic read, and I hope the film manages to live up to it. Also, Malkovich is a brilliant actor, and I should say casting him as Lurie was a brilliant decision, even though I haven't seen the film yet.
I absolutely loved this book and most that Coetzee has written. I presented a paper at a conference on Disgrace. Not sure the movie can live up to the many layers of the book--but I can't wait to see it.
Odeio a parte do filme em que matam os cães...Gosto bastante de dramas mas sinseramente ñ gostei deste, talvez o livro seja melhor, mas como filme deixa muito a desejar!
Stereo mixes of this movie should now be prepared. The book for which it was based (on) should be placed on heat and warmed up. Despite South Africa's burdening cycle of violence the movie is worth a watch. Actors play their roles convincingly and the art direction is well balanced. Not choppy or over drawn. So there's plenty of time to 'absorb' scenes. Makovich's 'Dead air' style acting as the profesor perhaps can be 'over gravitating' but still manages to engage the viewer if hard to relate to
Is Melanie white in this movie? She looks rather light-skinned, but the man chasing after David later in the trailer is clearly black, and the dialogue sounds like something Melanie's father said in the novel....
I read the book, I didn't think it was anything special at the time. I didn't get how that guy kept on getting the ladies. In this movie I don't know how John Melcavich is getting the ladies. Thou I don't like the character and it was hard to relate to the guy. It touches on some good subject matter. If I was to read it again. well to tell you the truth I would still find it average. Give me some Don DeLillo or a real story like Andy McNab any day.
Im a south african Black woman and My mom lives alone ,my sister is at varsity and im abroad,the house has been broken to,her car windows smashed,it was not about colour criminals are low lifes who want a quick buck,they dont give a rats ass who u are!None of us r shocked by it(criminal behaviour) we've dealt with this all our lives,white pple prior 2 1994 were protected 4rom it!difference now is we are all experiencing the same thing hence they think they r targets!
Thanks, hmmocha Despite it all we are happy...we r not accepting the situation as it is,My mum does a lot of wrk in the community to educate these people so they can get jobs...most of thess criminals are uneducated and come from dire situations...so something can be done Even if its one person you help,youve brocken the cycle.Thanks again.
Interesting casting choices. Honestly I always felt David Lurie looked like the the picture of Coetzee on the back of the book. Malkovich lacks that intellectual look of Coetzee's Lurie.
Secondly, what's with Bev being a large woman with big breasts? In the book she looked more like a bag of potatoes.
Thirdly, Lucy. Despite their best try, the actress who plays her still looks too attractive in this movie, especially being who she is.
i want to see it too . it's been over a year since the first release and in romania it hadn't aired yet . in some european countries had a limited release . what does this mean ? why limited ? and the majour mystery is Why wasn't released in U.S? I simply can't understand and i can't find anything relevant on imbd regarding this issue ... Does anyone around here know more?
I don't know anything about it but I would not suprised if the reason is that someone could think that there will be a not too far day when Europe (or the US) become like South Africa. I believe it's not a matter of race. It's a cultural thing. When people don't share a common spiritual and social weltanschauung, istruments of social control collapse. Usually the only remedy to that is military dictatorship. Multi-culturalism will require the Orwelliam Big Brother.
@italianchappy Race, ethnicity and cultural share a intrinsic connection. Ethno-Europeans hardly have culture anymore, and it's not incidental the 'white' genotype is dying along with Western civilization, a Euro-creation.
Look in to the white genocide in south Africa for yourself. This film doesn't scratch the surface of the problem. It's racial whether whites believe or want it to be, or not.
@italianchappy I beg to differ bro with the situation with South Africa the real root of the problem is one on on hatred I Mean SA has a long history of brutal colonialism along with natives giving their form of revenge thinking its the right thing to cure everything when it is not. This is what happens when people go to another country does not respect the natives of the land and its people (well as individuals involved) which results in never ending violence. I glad im born peace diverse islan
@hoarse01 there there go have a sook will you, geez the bitterness and ego in your words. No one wants to be dominated either by blacks or whites even other they just want to live peacefully in their fucken countries along with the customs passed down to them by their ancestors.
@Lilzoify1 Not nasty old white colonialism again. The same old storey being rattled out for the last 100 years. How convenient. Nasty white folk. Trouble is the organise and orchestrate the progress of humanity. Leave the world to blacks and you have instant implosion. Dread to think.
There were some fundamental problems with the storyline.
1) melanie consented to having sex with her professor. Assuming she was over 18 as she was a UCT student - and given the fact that he never forced her into doing anything?
2) what kind of 20-something woman lives alone on a farm in south africa?
There are so many more... as a whole the entire story is completely ridiculous. It is a naive, inaccurate, sensationalist picture of post apartheid south africa.
Thats not all though, Attacked and set on fire and no retaliation when the perps were seen again, not the South African men I know, and some pathetic, almost apologetic ideology from his daughter about why it was her or her ancestors fault.?, Fuckin shiite.
I just thought you would like to know that though I do agree with you in some respects that the novel is not "all its made out to be" so to speak and I respect your saying that. However I do disagree with your 2) coz I think its kinda uninformed, I am South African and a woman could live alone on a farm if she thought it safe, clearly she did in this case. And the reason why Coetzee does this is coz he wants to DE-sensitise us. Its a VERY accurate picture of crime in SA. If not slightly nicer.
1- Melanie may have consented, but David took advantage of his position as her professor. He should have distanced himself, and behaved professionally.
2- If you want to get technical, she wasn't living all alone for a while. Helen lived with her for some time, after all. For all we know, Lucy being alone could be a recent development.
Definitely. I watched it the other day and I couldn't forget about that; I even discussed with my friends. Amazing movie. John Malkovich is genius. Steve Jacobs has done great job really.
Hint of advise to all of you, who comment on anything but the movie. just remember that this is a South Afican Based movie..... so Barack Ombama has absolutley Squat to do with anything..... my advise would be go get an education....
yeah, that's one way to look at it, but I don't think that sadness and absurdity are necessarily indicators of a lack of literary worth or merit. just because it forces you to confront uncomfortable ideas doesn't make it bad.
what in your opinion gives this book literary worth? i think that the lack of confrontation of the uncomfortable is what made this book unpleasurable to read. It just didnt seem to leave me with anything to contemplate? He stood idly by while his family was raveged and then killed the dog who unconditionally loved him. Read "Life of Pi", that book has literary merit, in my opinion, but to each his own.
Lack of confrontation? I'm pretty sure David Lurie spent the large majority of the book addressing the uncomfortable. In fact, the more he thinks in terms of absolutes of punishment and redemption, involvement and escape, the more he finds himself unable to come to terms with the concepts. Lucy pretty much embodies this, she doesn't choose either of daddy's two ways.
hey, talking bout this film. for everyone whos read the book, we're studying this in our class atm and theres been a heated argument as to whether lurie raped melanie or not. thoughts?
We had the same argument in my class about the book. The overall consensus was that, yes, he did rape her. In my opinion, though, I'm a little torn. First she tells him 'No, not now!', which clearly indicates that it is rape, but then later on that same page it says that she does not resist him. This is the only time I believe it might be rape. The other two times they have sex I believe it is mutual.
i agree with you because when a woman says no it's no and he didnt listen to her when she said no. The second time was consentual and remeber she went to his house to stay. She was bullied by her boyfriend or ex boyfriend to accuse professor lurie. I think she liked him but was forced to make false charges against him.
i dont think so at all. she didnt stop him, i think she has low self esteem which is why she let him even thogh she didnt like it. but she didnt once say no. she didnt say yes, but she didnt say no
I think about assessing it from the position of the consequences of rape. Surely Professor Durie's coerced sexual act with Melanie doesn't warrant twenty years in jail as you'd give to your run of the mill rapist in a balaclava?
Maybe you could consider it an indirect coerced sexual act - manipulation of sensibilities and such-like.
Well i almost want to say rape is definately worse but that would all depend on the fraud charge... In the case of the "rape" with Mel i more or less think she changed he mind, rather like a mother that says no eating biscuits b4 tea, but then she goes "fine have some then" not really changing her mind but consenting none the less, and in this case fraud is worse but rape can screw a person up for life... I HATE IT!!!
For me as a guy, I can sort of imagine the precedent which declaring what happened "rape" would entail.
It seems like something that possibly happens often with regards to acquiring consent. What is certainly unacceptable is the abuse of the teacher-student power relationship.
That must be the source of the victimization, that of having been used.
Say a similar scenario happened between her and the janitor then she'd probably be less upset.
Of course she'd be pretty shameless if she did that
I guess as long as we're talking about the film online, creating buzz, the more likely it is that we'll be able to whip up the motivation to release it more widely.
I have a weird feeling that's not going to happen for a while. IMDB hasn't got any release information available for the film, nor on Yahoo! Movies. Sigh.
Does anyone know if this is being released in Australia and if so will it only be a limited release? I just read the book for literature studies this semester and I think it would be quite interesting to see how it was adapted to film.
I saw this film 2 days ago. It is a great film and it's hard to imagine it being any closer to the book. I don't think those that love the book will be disappointed. Surprisingly Malkovich is the best I have seen him and deserving of an Oscar. Jessica Haines was an inspired choice considering it is her first feature film.
I saw this film yesterday and it is VERY good, all should go and see. (I haven't read the book so to me it doesn't matter what Lucy looks like etc. but I plan on reading something of Coetzee now)
Excelente libro, el actor John Malkovich me parece genial para ese papel, así me lo imaginaba, pero me salta la duda en lo demas. Alguien sabe cuando llegara a mexico?
lol Lucy in this film is so much different that how I'd imagine her. I thought she'd be a little plump with a hint of passed attractiveness. The actress they hired for the part is hot and fit.
did this movie air in America? i really want to see it . They said they released first in Europe but i don't see any trace of it. Why is there so little information about this film..?
Disgrace was without a doubt one of the best books I've ever read. Absolutely incredible, you should read it before you watch the film.
TaylorKinsley 4 weeks ago
lol I´ve just finished the book a few minutes ago.
deSAMBALschepper 1 month ago
The book is fantastic,...loved it! not sure I want to watch the film, films of books tend to taint people's views
nattyasha101 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you are in IB and you got this book and you are trying to find the movie of it
TheUglyCyote 5 months ago 2
Its not Real how can anyone allow to be gangraped BS
shadowofears 5 months ago
I'm readong it right now, it's brilliant.
Foodfast123 7 months ago
@Foodfast123 reading, lol
Foodfast123 7 months ago
I personally liked the story, i could not get myself to watch the whole movie since i knew what was going to happen after reading the whole book, i just watched it to see how the characters were depicted, as i was reading the book i imagined them just a bit younger LOOKING. Overall I think they did a great job.
j3lly8907 8 months ago
i just finished watching this movie on showtime. like some of the posters on here, i didn't understand the ending either. only thing that i could think of is that he didn't want to leave her again and he wants to protect her. when you are a parent, its hard to understand the situations we get into when it involves your child. now if it was me,..i'da been done shot the sheet out of the muthasucker's wife's sick brother and make them eat him.
action31000 8 months ago
I've just read and discussed this book for my English class. It was dark and left me pretty depressed and confused at the end (I did like it though) but I've learned in class that this is the think Coetzee is trying to do with his novels. This movie looks quite powerful (I love John Malcovich) although I'm reading some negative reviews here but we're going to watch half an hour in class next week so I'm still looking forward to it ^^
lagoondiver 9 months ago
malcolvich is great
movie sucks. the plots and the ppl dont make sense at all the only thing thats right is this movie is a huge disgrace.
Im even surprise this movie makes sense to any of you.
Qjemuse 10 months ago
@Qjemuse the book is better n more detailed then the movie, then again all books are, the reader always has a different view in every situation, i think many parents can identify themselves with professor Lurie in many ways specially if they've gone thru similar life situation, the story was kind of like a mid-life crisis for this professor, and what unfortunately happens to his daughter is sort of like a wake up call for him overall. I recommend that you read the book first :)
j3lly8907 8 months ago
i cant bring myself to watch the movie, the book was too good.
gmpm 1 year ago
I cant believe I wasted my time on this movie. I will never ever believe any good reviews from Ebert ever again. One pathetic scene after another till the ending with no resolution. I am even pissed at block buster for letting there customers rent this shit! I am going to tell every one that I do not like that it was a great movie.
noshorts291 1 year ago
horrible accent, as always
OkilayRex 1 year ago
This movie was a bit weird and confusing and a tad bit disturbing.
I can tell you this.
If the person who raped my Daughter was standing in front of me, days after the incident, free to do whatever he liked, he would have been dead where he stood. I would have no had the will to fight the urge and would have gladly gone to jail for it.
mrceebees14 1 year ago 11
@mrceebees14 time to kill
1Senne1 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 You didn't read the book did you? The way David Lurie reacted to his daughter's rape reflected the views of a post apartheid South Africa...not the views and morals of modern people living in the likes of the US or UK.
nattyasha101 2 months ago 2
@jollyradical But its called Disgrace...so is it really made for those white liberals as a means to reassert their authoritative, centralized selves in the hegemonic social order or is it a means of undermining it? if you read the book you'll see how its really not coloured (I find) at all. And in terms of justice the question Coetzee lays out is what kind of justice is truly just? Or who's justice is more just?
01honey 1 year ago
i imagine lurie to be better looking.
vanderwoodsen90 1 year ago
the book is on my uni reading list. It sounds as though it's quite a heavy, powerful read.
loufembot 1 year ago
Just saw this film. Powerful themes of conflict management, shift of power, and karma.
mella1970 1 year ago
@mella1970 Karma as in whites getting what they deserve for previous rule? It was better for both races before Anglo SAs gave power to the black SAs, and black on white murder/rape/torture goes back to the mid 1600s.
I just watched 'disgrace' and thought it would've been nice if they'd had ended the movie with the horrifying statistics, pictures and video of what's happening to whites there. A disappointment, not enough truth revealed.
jakestep17 1 year ago
@jakestep17 I think you guys are missing the point. its not about karma or who gets it. i mean you're both right - that point is raised. but talking about this film and the conflicts in it in this karmic eye for an eye sort of manner only perpetuates the racial conflicts, don't you think? its not about whether whites are being treated poorly or blacks are...identifying negative representations will get us no where! we have to break down the structure of the discourse
01honey 1 year ago
breath of fresh air from action flicks!
a must see!
AniceAct 1 year ago
awesome movie, tragedies like this happen all the time. Malkovich is superb
fleamarket3000 1 year ago
john malkovich is a genius!
WasterBlaster 1 year ago
Man has consensual sex with his adult student. Girl tells family. He's openly humiliated by her dad, threatened and menaced by her brother, everyone hates him, he's kicked out of his job. When visiting his white daughter, she's gang raped 3 blacks who also bash his head and light him on fire. He accepts the humiliation, the daughter doesn't want revenge and even wants to marry the uncle of one of the rapists. This sick movie was made for white liberals and is an insult to any sense of justice.
jollyradical 1 year ago
God, I fucking hate this movie. Why am I the only person? My son who raped your daughter and set you on fire is too young to marry her so I will marry her. WTF? BLAM you're all fucking dead, that's WTF!
forgiveaspie 1 year ago
the one thing i never understood was if the girl was sleeping with the professor voluntarily and if she was then why she was so cold towards him?
anthonycotillo 1 year ago
What a depressing movie!. I'm sure NPR will love it!.
generic223 1 year ago
i loved the novel and didnt know there was this movie out till now. can't wait to rent dvd and watch it!!!!!!!!
dbxl1127 1 year ago
Lets hope the film is just as vivid as the book is. I wonder why there aren't many video clipings posted-up on YouTube yet..
doolittleformula 1 year ago
este trailer jode la peli y la novela a la vez, this trailer spoils the book and the film at the same time, enhorabuena/congratulations!!!!
moideyomisma 1 year ago
John Malkovich is the most amazing actor. He can play anything, a professor, a lover, a hit man, a father...
He is absolutely unique in that he makes his audiance believe in the character he plays...it's so real.
saharra22469 1 year ago
Sometimes you watch a movie you have a need to talk about with friends or someone with different opinions . But wtf was wrong with his dumb daughter , seriously can anyone be like her .. had to take a few breaks , and I 've seen much crazier shit
rjesensky 2 years ago
Yeah. When I read the novel I kept thinking WTF is wrong with this bitch?!
Iambecome 2 years ago
The book is a fantastic read, and I hope the film manages to live up to it. Also, Malkovich is a brilliant actor, and I should say casting him as Lurie was a brilliant decision, even though I haven't seen the film yet.
Cenyon 2 years ago
just read the book and now i want to see the movie. seems to be great!
1Praetor1 2 years ago
this is great movie! I just finish watching it , and John's acting as usual is perfect!
If Malkovich wasn't born, God would probably had to create one ! brilliant man , and the casting is good , with intense scenes ! 5*****
Queenesy 2 years ago 2
oh man, I have to see this movie
espilehiyo 2 years ago
I absolutely loved this book and most that Coetzee has written. I presented a paper at a conference on Disgrace. Not sure the movie can live up to the many layers of the book--but I can't wait to see it.
michyulo 2 years ago
Odeio a parte do filme em que matam os cães...Gosto bastante de dramas mas sinseramente ñ gostei deste, talvez o livro seja melhor, mas como filme deixa muito a desejar!
kikah1918 2 years ago
Stereo mixes of this movie should now be prepared. The book for which it was based (on) should be placed on heat and warmed up. Despite South Africa's burdening cycle of violence the movie is worth a watch. Actors play their roles convincingly and the art direction is well balanced. Not choppy or over drawn. So there's plenty of time to 'absorb' scenes. Makovich's 'Dead air' style acting as the profesor perhaps can be 'over gravitating' but still manages to engage the viewer if hard to relate to
Regalseven 2 years ago 3
looks good - I am reading the book now.
livll1 2 years ago
30 minute into the film he is reading the newspaper upside down lol
NoMONKEYS 2 years ago
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ines176 2 years ago
me too!!
lilblad3 2 years ago
Good job Coetzee!!!
His books R so full of contents.
estaere 2 years ago
they should make in the heart of the country into a movie,
Petey123123 2 years ago
I think the movie leaves a moral shit.
Maybe it depicts realism, but still there's no viable purpose for this movie at all.
deestilo 2 years ago
because it was a best selling novel ... if it sells as a book, it stands a better chance as a film - it's a good book... good but not great
hugobear1 2 years ago
DOn't waste your fucking time with this shit movie. Others did, they regretted it. I was one of them.
kikividis 2 years ago
this movie was so fuckin stupid!
mzyordanov 2 years ago
Why is Bev Shaw played by a white woman????
cxmg08 2 years ago
I thought Bev Shaw WAS white. She seems to be depicted as that in the novel.
Izzy41630 2 years ago 3
Yes, why is she?
Erickvazquezc 2 years ago
because she was white in the novel
Petey123123 2 years ago
Because she is white in the book genius.
steeze111 2 years ago
this film looks boring to me..
WhisperingBeauty 2 years ago
Is Melanie white in this movie? She looks rather light-skinned, but the man chasing after David later in the trailer is clearly black, and the dialogue sounds like something Melanie's father said in the novel....
Izzy41630 2 years ago
yeah i agree we5026 this movie so boring
gerdaniful 2 years ago
such a shit movie!!! dont watch it u will waste your life!! there are many good movies from home(SA) but this one is soooo shit!!
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extraminadotcom 2 years ago
Malkovich was the perect choice for the film adaptation.
lena5721 2 years ago 2
I read the book, I didn't think it was anything special at the time. I didn't get how that guy kept on getting the ladies. In this movie I don't know how John Melcavich is getting the ladies. Thou I don't like the character and it was hard to relate to the guy. It touches on some good subject matter. If I was to read it again. well to tell you the truth I would still find it average. Give me some Don DeLillo or a real story like Andy McNab any day.
raymondchan168 2 years ago
Im a south african Black woman and My mom lives alone ,my sister is at varsity and im abroad,the house has been broken to,her car windows smashed,it was not about colour criminals are low lifes who want a quick buck,they dont give a rats ass who u are!None of us r shocked by it(criminal behaviour) we've dealt with this all our lives,white pple prior 2 1994 were protected 4rom it!difference now is we are all experiencing the same thing hence they think they r targets!
ntokozokabuzz 2 years ago
I am sorry to read about what happened to your family, ntokozkabuzz but I applaud your statement. Clap, Clap, Clap
hmmmocha 2 years ago
Thanks, hmmocha Despite it all we are happy...we r not accepting the situation as it is,My mum does a lot of wrk in the community to educate these people so they can get jobs...most of thess criminals are uneducated and come from dire situations...so something can be done Even if its one person you help,youve brocken the cycle.Thanks again.
ntokozokabuzz 2 years ago
Interesting casting choices. Honestly I always felt David Lurie looked like the the picture of Coetzee on the back of the book. Malkovich lacks that intellectual look of Coetzee's Lurie.
Secondly, what's with Bev being a large woman with big breasts? In the book she looked more like a bag of potatoes.
Thirdly, Lucy. Despite their best try, the actress who plays her still looks too attractive in this movie, especially being who she is.
ijaxinwz 2 years ago
This movie was so bad i killed myself
GhostfaceCracker 2 years ago
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the film was bad
pitn24 2 years ago
i m going to the cinema on tuesday for this movie
pitn24 2 years ago
The Sunday NYT claims that this will be released on this coming Friday in the US...
spmull06 2 years ago
I loved this novel.And seems like they stick to the novel when they make the films.
LittleMissEggRoll 2 years ago
i want to see it too . it's been over a year since the first release and in romania it hadn't aired yet . in some european countries had a limited release . what does this mean ? why limited ? and the majour mystery is Why wasn't released in U.S? I simply can't understand and i can't find anything relevant on imbd regarding this issue ... Does anyone around here know more?
sfeclitza 2 years ago
I don't know anything about it but I would not suprised if the reason is that someone could think that there will be a not too far day when Europe (or the US) become like South Africa. I believe it's not a matter of race. It's a cultural thing. When people don't share a common spiritual and social weltanschauung, istruments of social control collapse. Usually the only remedy to that is military dictatorship. Multi-culturalism will require the Orwelliam Big Brother.
italianchappy 2 years ago
@italianchappy Race, ethnicity and cultural share a intrinsic connection. Ethno-Europeans hardly have culture anymore, and it's not incidental the 'white' genotype is dying along with Western civilization, a Euro-creation.
Look in to the white genocide in south Africa for yourself. This film doesn't scratch the surface of the problem. It's racial whether whites believe or want it to be, or not.
jakestep17 1 year ago
@italianchappy I beg to differ bro with the situation with South Africa the real root of the problem is one on on hatred I Mean SA has a long history of brutal colonialism along with natives giving their form of revenge thinking its the right thing to cure everything when it is not. This is what happens when people go to another country does not respect the natives of the land and its people (well as individuals involved) which results in never ending violence. I glad im born peace diverse islan
Lilzoify1 1 year ago
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hoarse01 8 months ago
@hoarse01 there there go have a sook will you, geez the bitterness and ego in your words. No one wants to be dominated either by blacks or whites even other they just want to live peacefully in their fucken countries along with the customs passed down to them by their ancestors.
Lilzoify1 8 months ago
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hoarse01 8 months ago
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@Lilzoify1 Not nasty old white colonialism again. The same old storey being rattled out for the last 100 years. How convenient. Nasty white folk. Trouble is the organise and orchestrate the progress of humanity. Leave the world to blacks and you have instant implosion. Dread to think.
hoarse01 8 months ago
FUCKKK I wanna watch this man!!!!!!!! when the fuck is it gonna come out!?!??
btw, they did a good job. picked a good guy for the role. seems accurate so far. *smiles*
Monkeyybooy 2 years ago 2
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This movie is a disgrace, Malkovitch has gone mad, has no work or both, its not believable, its a ludicrous story. Just my opinion.
catatonicable 2 years ago
I guess you don´t have any idea about acting. Just my opinion. ;) Go watch your blockbuster-movies with will smith and jeff peterson and so on...
BakinKoljac 2 years ago 4
Its not the acting I was on about its the story, nearly 14000 vids watched so you must know more than most.
catatonicable 2 years ago
There were some fundamental problems with the storyline.
1) melanie consented to having sex with her professor. Assuming she was over 18 as she was a UCT student - and given the fact that he never forced her into doing anything?
2) what kind of 20-something woman lives alone on a farm in south africa?
There are so many more... as a whole the entire story is completely ridiculous. It is a naive, inaccurate, sensationalist picture of post apartheid south africa.
msjayification 2 years ago
Thats not all though, Attacked and set on fire and no retaliation when the perps were seen again, not the South African men I know, and some pathetic, almost apologetic ideology from his daughter about why it was her or her ancestors fault.?, Fuckin shiite.
catatonicable 2 years ago
I just thought you would like to know that though I do agree with you in some respects that the novel is not "all its made out to be" so to speak and I respect your saying that. However I do disagree with your 2) coz I think its kinda uninformed, I am South African and a woman could live alone on a farm if she thought it safe, clearly she did in this case. And the reason why Coetzee does this is coz he wants to DE-sensitise us. Its a VERY accurate picture of crime in SA. If not slightly nicer.
regalsmartie11 2 years ago
Read the book!!! - It's won a Nobel prize
And you do find 20 something woman living alone on farms in SA. Renting the farm house when the farmer has more than one farm etc.
Happyguyg 2 years ago
1- Melanie may have consented, but David took advantage of his position as her professor. He should have distanced himself, and behaved professionally.
2- If you want to get technical, she wasn't living all alone for a while. Helen lived with her for some time, after all. For all we know, Lucy being alone could be a recent development.
Izzy41630 2 years ago 2
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aphrodite1605 2 years ago
Watch this film, its' excellent.
srbmental 2 years ago
Definitely. I watched it the other day and I couldn't forget about that; I even discussed with my friends. Amazing movie. John Malkovich is genius. Steve Jacobs has done great job really.
sunnytsofiya 2 years ago 3
disgrace and waiting for the barbarians are by far the best pieces of literature i have ever read.
TurdMafia27 2 years ago
J.M. Coetzee is brilliant
impyrse27 2 years ago 10
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lightburn14 2 years ago
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Hint of advise to all of you, who comment on anything but the movie. just remember that this is a South Afican Based movie..... so Barack Ombama has absolutley Squat to do with anything..... my advise would be go get an education....
aphrodite1605 2 years ago
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David
Pegils 2 years ago 2
most fucked up movie ever
Pegils 2 years ago
la vi en el festival ficco es muy buena
FREAKzDANCE 2 years ago
what does she say while they are driving?
"When you trap a woman ..."
sorry, can't make out the rest ...
forgive me, the accent
dayjackal 2 years ago
Dont worry her accent has nothing to do with it, i cant understand it either.. its like she farts out of her mouth for a moment.
chommy 2 years ago
The book was absolutely brilliant...
it symbolises the powerlessness felt by white males in the new south Africa,.. it is an excellent portrayal of the social character of the country
niles1zion 2 years ago
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this book was a waste of time and this movie will be too. spare yourself the anguish and do not subject yourself to something so sad and absurd
lightburn14 2 years ago
yeah, that's one way to look at it, but I don't think that sadness and absurdity are necessarily indicators of a lack of literary worth or merit. just because it forces you to confront uncomfortable ideas doesn't make it bad.
rebeckery 2 years ago
what in your opinion gives this book literary worth? i think that the lack of confrontation of the uncomfortable is what made this book unpleasurable to read. It just didnt seem to leave me with anything to contemplate? He stood idly by while his family was raveged and then killed the dog who unconditionally loved him. Read "Life of Pi", that book has literary merit, in my opinion, but to each his own.
lightburn14 2 years ago
Lack of confrontation? I'm pretty sure David Lurie spent the large majority of the book addressing the uncomfortable. In fact, the more he thinks in terms of absolutes of punishment and redemption, involvement and escape, the more he finds himself unable to come to terms with the concepts. Lucy pretty much embodies this, she doesn't choose either of daddy's two ways.
dubblewalker 2 years ago
@rebeckery Wow. Beautifully put.
ashlee22559 1 year ago
@rebeckery LOL
paysagebleu 1 year ago
Whats absurd about it? Its not a waste of time you hick. Its filled with symbolism and irony.
Back to Transformers 2 for you.
oldfool666 2 years ago 32
intelligent, post more
lightburn14 2 years ago
@oldfool666 HAHAHAHAHA.
"Back to Transformers 2 for you."
I'm dying.
PopPrincess8823 1 year ago
Haha, he's not quite Yellowbeard is he?
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
hey, talking bout this film. for everyone whos read the book, we're studying this in our class atm and theres been a heated argument as to whether lurie raped melanie or not. thoughts?
oneteaspoon08 2 years ago
We had the same argument in my class about the book. The overall consensus was that, yes, he did rape her. In my opinion, though, I'm a little torn. First she tells him 'No, not now!', which clearly indicates that it is rape, but then later on that same page it says that she does not resist him. This is the only time I believe it might be rape. The other two times they have sex I believe it is mutual.
randomdan15 2 years ago
i agree with you because when a woman says no it's no and he didnt listen to her when she said no. The second time was consentual and remeber she went to his house to stay. She was bullied by her boyfriend or ex boyfriend to accuse professor lurie. I think she liked him but was forced to make false charges against him.
Petey123123 2 years ago
i dont think so at all. she didnt stop him, i think she has low self esteem which is why she let him even thogh she didnt like it. but she didnt once say no. she didnt say yes, but she didnt say no
fallella 2 years ago
I think about assessing it from the position of the consequences of rape. Surely Professor Durie's coerced sexual act with Melanie doesn't warrant twenty years in jail as you'd give to your run of the mill rapist in a balaclava?
Maybe you could consider it an indirect coerced sexual act - manipulation of sensibilities and such-like.
What's worse fraud or rape?
What do you think of this argument?
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
Well i almost want to say rape is definately worse but that would all depend on the fraud charge... In the case of the "rape" with Mel i more or less think she changed he mind, rather like a mother that says no eating biscuits b4 tea, but then she goes "fine have some then" not really changing her mind but consenting none the less, and in this case fraud is worse but rape can screw a person up for life... I HATE IT!!!
CristalTee 2 years ago
For me as a guy, I can sort of imagine the precedent which declaring what happened "rape" would entail.
It seems like something that possibly happens often with regards to acquiring consent. What is certainly unacceptable is the abuse of the teacher-student power relationship.
That must be the source of the victimization, that of having been used.
Say a similar scenario happened between her and the janitor then she'd probably be less upset.
Of course she'd be pretty shameless if she did that
fomastephanovitch 2 years ago
I guess as long as we're talking about the film online, creating buzz, the more likely it is that we'll be able to whip up the motivation to release it more widely.
I have a weird feeling that's not going to happen for a while. IMDB hasn't got any release information available for the film, nor on Yahoo! Movies. Sigh.
cosmicbullfight 2 years ago
Does anyone know if this is being released in Australia and if so will it only be a limited release? I just read the book for literature studies this semester and I think it would be quite interesting to see how it was adapted to film.
randomdan15 2 years ago
It's being released in cinemas in Australia this week.
LordAfwa 2 years ago
released at movies on weekend..
16HaHa 2 years ago
I saw this film 2 days ago. It is a great film and it's hard to imagine it being any closer to the book. I don't think those that love the book will be disappointed. Surprisingly Malkovich is the best I have seen him and deserving of an Oscar. Jessica Haines was an inspired choice considering it is her first feature film.
kilberg16 2 years ago 3
petrus seems to be a good pick!
freshfighterfights 2 years ago
I saw this film yesterday and it is VERY good, all should go and see. (I haven't read the book so to me it doesn't matter what Lucy looks like etc. but I plan on reading something of Coetzee now)
barryfreund 2 years ago
where can i watch the movie?
any suggesition,pls
qaz00 2 years ago
The theatre?
snap
maidenaust 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA. Great comment.
jazzigod 2 years ago
i was expecting joy bryant to play melanie. she seems to fit her looks in the book.
notrubbish 2 years ago
Excelente libro, el actor John Malkovich me parece genial para ese papel, así me lo imaginaba, pero me salta la duda en lo demas. Alguien sabe cuando llegara a mexico?
JPK2666 2 years ago
I'm nervous about this movie, i love the book. when is it coming out?
eggnez 3 years ago
I can't wait to see that movie. Book is great!
LadyRita1986 3 years ago
lol Lucy in this film is so much different that how I'd imagine her. I thought she'd be a little plump with a hint of passed attractiveness. The actress they hired for the part is hot and fit.
KoreanBlues 3 years ago 5
yeah..she's supposed to be quite dumpy.
notrubbish 2 years ago
can't wait ..
hslg86 3 years ago
Great!! Quero ver logo!
I want see !!
jbna7 3 years ago
did this movie air in America? i really want to see it . They said they released first in Europe but i don't see any trace of it. Why is there so little information about this film..?
sfeclitza 3 years ago
Great, it looks very similar to how I imagine the story to be.
soursourapples 3 years ago
nope but ive read the book should be good
dulceinolvidable 3 years ago
anyone know where i can get this movie, online?
califraia 3 years ago 3