Mormons - GIVE UP!

[bobbyraejohnson]

They don't believe Jesus was our savior they say they do but then you have to get married in the temple to go to heaven

[foreverstrong2011]

If you want to know what we really believe and why, find out for yourself, not from people that are already prejudiced against what we believe and don't fully understand us. We believe in the Savior Jesus Christ and all of His teachings. If you want to learn more, talk to the missionaries or look up lds.org to learn more.

[minnescanada]

Boy would you kick yourself in your own butt, if you knew that the Mormons were the correct answers. Not that I know any more than you or less. No one has any kind of enlightened knowledge about life after death, since whatever we have is written by the living. If any one of you can say for certain what will happen after death, I call them a bald faced liar. Faith is not the same as knowing what will happen in reality.

[randomlukk]

MORmONism is by far the dumbest religion ive ever com across.

"Joseph Smith did more for humanity than jesus." "the origial native americans were white and were whiped out by the darker skin people we now call indians." "when people couldt choose sides before the earth began they became a minority, but if you chose to ide with jesus you became (or stayed white)"

Ya gotta love stupid people.

i have a wee bit of news for you. your religion is based on racism.

[JohnRhysMusician]

I think we all need to pray to God to help us with our works and our sins. LDS people, like myself pray for help with those all the time, and we also pray for a day when we don't have to do that.

[Exodus314IAM]

When is that day? when you die? Then what? Have you done enogh. Are you 100% sure that you are saved if you die tonight? This is the point, you can never do enough to earn your salvation.'

So what has you gods told you about your works? Have they shown you what you need to do? Did Joseph Smith give you his ok as well, according to Brigham young it is required.

[tkoch25]

So you pray for help for your sins and not forgiveness from them? That doctrine alone makes LDS not Christian.

[JohnRhysMusician]

We pray to overcome those sins, to deal with those sins. We ask for forgiveness once we have made a commitment to do better.

[tkoch25]

Why though? Repentance means to turn away from. So when I go to God, I repent of my sins. I ask for forgiveness, then I turn away, with His help of course.

[Exodus314IAM]

So its what you can do then right? Not what God has done already. If you are going to pray to God to help you with your sins? God knows there is nothing YOU can do, Jesus alone is what saves us. Not from the sin but from ourselves. We (you and me) cannot do it, it is 100% God and 0% what we can do. Once you accept Jesus (God) for who he is and what He did then you are there and you will change.

[rpavich]

Good point...thanks for sharing the vid

[cezza57]

There's a word that I'm thinking of....

PRIDE

[mbhotie715]

Yep, and mormons have it more than anyone

[ArmyBuckeye84]

pride my friend, always leads to destruction

[jakedevon]

Mormons, is polygamy good or evil?

[onlyonesuperdude]

jake, how many vids have u posted this question on? how many responses have u received? how many people have u been able to share the Gospel with through asking this question on these vids?

u might want to change ur tactics and stop spamming with this question over and over and over and over again.

[jakedevon]

You're asking me to give up on a video named "GIVE UP"?

[onlyonesuperdude]

hahaha, i didnt put it together like that, but....

on a more serious note--im not asking u to give up, but possibly change tactics in order to have a more fruitful, Gospel-centered discussion, dialogue, etc.

it was just a suggestion

[Glorthac]

What was the answer again? I remember a FLDS said it was good, but I don't remember a LDS response.

After all, if it is bad, why did God institute it in the beginning? And if it is good, why did He take it away?

[onlyonesuperdude]

im not sure if ur just fishing for an answer or where ur coming from asking the question, but in the second chapter of Genesis (from the very beginning of human history) it says that,"...For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh..." (Gen. 2:24). [notice the passage does not say wives, but wife]. i have read no verse where the LORD institutes or condones polygamy.

[peaceliberty4all]

onlyone- I was just wondering if Abraham is not a prophet because he had more than one wife?

[onlyonesuperdude]

@peaceliberty4all -- one man with one woman making one flesh was/is the way prescribed by GOD for marriage in Gen 2:24--there is no way around that.

Abraham sinned against GOD in his actions. but more importantly than his sin, Abraham was deeply loved by GOD and great man (father even) of faith. as a child of GOD, no matter how hard he fell, he could not fall out of His love. he was greatly used by GOD even after his fornication with concubines and the LORD continue to communicate with him.

[onlyonesuperdude]

(cont.)

on a sidenote: i do not believe that Abraham was a prophet in the common Biblical usage of the word; though he did communicate with GOD.

another sidenote: not sure exactly where it says Abraham took more than one wife (outside the death of Sarah to Keturah). he did in fact have children with concubines. even after sarah's death she is still referred to as his wife and he was burried with her.

[peaceliberty4all]

Can U please give me the reference in the Bible where it states Abraham sinned against God & fell.

Jacob also had more than 1 wife. 2 men who were exalted had more than 1 wife.

If you were right, which I no U R not, your argument could still be used in the case of Joseph Smith as well.

R U saying God is a respector of persons? That he loves 1 more than another?

I don't like the idea of more then 1 wife but it is in the bible and never did it say Abraham or Jacob sinned in having more then 1.

[onlyonesuperdude]

(sorry, this shall be long)

Abraham was a great man of faith, but he was not perfect; he was a sinner--a descendent of Adam just u and i are, so Paul was either wrong or lying in Rom 5:12-14 and Rom 3:23 if u believe that Abraham was sinless. u might not be saying that and i shall concede to u the benefit of a doubt in this area.

[onlyonesuperdude]

now the question is: was it a sin for Abraham to have extramarital relations with concubines/servants/maids? we know that in the decalogue delivered to Moses that adultery was prohibited as well as coveting another's wife, but this was delivered many generations after Abraham. Either sin is sin no matter when it is done or sin is a result of the Law (Rom 3:20 and 5:13). I lean towards the latter and here is 2 reasons/examples why i believe so:

(cont.)

[onlyonesuperdude]

Incest was the way the first generations reproduced, yet later in Lev. 18 and 20 this act was condemned as immoral, a disgrace, abomination, etc. was it a sin for Abraham to marry his sister? at that time, i would have to answer in the negative.

[onlyonesuperdude]

But there is an opposition to this thought--the murdering of Able by Cain was sin (correct?) and he was punished/cursed for said sin even before the decalogue was delivered. So was murder a sin even though the Law has not defined it as such? To answer this i have to look at what GOD said to Cain in this situation in Gen. 4.

[onlyonesuperdude]

Cain was angry that his sacrifice was not up to par with Ables (for some unspecified reason). The LORD spoke to Cain telling him to do well to lift his countenance (in NT words to repent and seek to please the LORD in obedience). Instead of doing well (repenting) he fell into the sin (of rage and hatred leading to its natural end/telos of murder) that was crouching at the door that mastered him.

[onlyonesuperdude]

So Cain was in direct disobedience against GOD in not master the sin that the LORD said he must master--much like his father and mother were in direct sin against GOD in eating of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[onlyonesuperdude]

All this to say that i do believe that Abraham (and all others) was (is) in sin by taking more than one wife/having extramarital relations with others because of what GOD prescribed in Gen 2:24 because the couple are now one. but everyone living after the Law was given that have taken more than one wife, is in fact in sin (ie joe smith). is this to say that those who did take on more than one wife (ie, Saul, David, Solomon, etc.) did not do great things for and in the name of the LORD?

[onlyonesuperdude]

Of course not; take David for instance--though David was a sinner, he was elect of GOD and GOD continued to love and guide him throughout his life and sin.

[onlyonesuperdude]

Going back to oneness with ones spouse--i do believe that the best example of this is the love Christ has for his Bride. Throughout the NT we see commands, esp by Paul, for husbands to love their wives (like Christ loves his Bride); also that for one to serve in church leadership one must be a husband of one wife (i have no idea how Mormons get around that one!).

[onlyonesuperdude]

There is one Bride and Body, though there are many members. Christs Bride is not Israel, but the Church; He did not divorce Israel to marry the Church, nor did he add the Church as another Bride--there is but one Bride and that is the Church!

the end, hahaha (sorry again for this being so long).

[peaceliberty4all]

Never said nor believed Abraham was perfect but you did not give me a bible reference where God said he sinned in having more than 1 wife or Jacob either. They did not have extramaritial affairs as you stated they married more then 1 women. As you did state- in the beginning brothers and sisters married it was the only way to fulfill the command to multiply and replenish the earth. God can also allow multiple wives for the same purpose as he allowed it with Abraham marrying Hagar to have seed.

[onlyonesuperdude]

like i said, i conceded the benefit of the doubt in the sinless Abraham area and i am glad that u believe that he was a sinner.

i did answer that i do not believe that it was a sin for Jacob to have more than one wife (at the time before the Law was given), though i do not believe that it was ideal for him to have more than one wife.

also, i stated that Sarah gave Abraham Hagar to sleep with, but they never married. the only mention of him marrying another is after the death of Sarah.

[onlyonesuperdude]

***i meant to say that i DO believe that it is a sin (sin means to miss the mark/target that GOD has prescribe/established) for anyone to marry more that one wife, not that i do not.

for a man to do so disturbs oneness of the flesh with the first wife. Gen 2:24 says that the man and woman shall become one flesh, so that is the mark established by GOD and those who married more than one wife disrupt the oneness, thus missing said mark, thus sinning against GOD.***

sorry for the confusion.

[peaceliberty4all]

I don't believe you can judge what is and is not sin only God can do that so you give me a reference where God said Abraham or Jacob sinned in having more then 1 wife & I will believe it is a sin. When the mormons practiced polygamy not all were allowed to do so only those who were called. It wasn't a free for all & it was for the purpose of raising seed in God's Church & neither Joseph or Brigham wanted to do it when 1st given the command. Many men & women fought it until they prayed about it

[onlyonesuperdude]

oh, but i can judge what is sin because i have the authority of the Bible to do so. what the Bible says is sin, is sin. my subjectivity in no hinders that objective truth.

mormons live in a post-Law age where the Bible clearly states the theme of one-man-one-woman marriages (one flesh argument, Jesus' Bride argument, 1 Cor 7:2). also there is a super strong case for this in the leadership of the local body (1 Tim 3:2)--the overseer is have one wife. were these men not "overseers"?

[onlyonesuperdude]

(cont)

we have the examples of the Apostles to follow in this area. some of them were married, some remained single, but no where do we read that any had more than one wife. i say we should search the objective Scriptures and not go on subjective emotions and feelings. GOD will never call anyone of His children to disobey His holy word, but we, in our natural state, will finds ways to justify and condone our sin instead of doing what is prescribed in His word--repent and trust in the LORD.