The mind is just to be used to solve problems on how survive, does not have anything to do with the brain, I understand that the brain is just a part of the body and is one of the most difficult to study that is the why is so difficult to evaluate it compared with the heart, the bones, the stomach. I think we are more than a brain and we are more than the mind, we use the mind to control the body. The mind is just a collection of pictures with information that we use to solve problems.
I've already applied to and received information about the school, what I would like is information on the science, being an adept at consciousness based phenomenon I am looking forward to further discussions with Dr. Travis. I must respond though to your final response to 'tooleydeviljuice'; that response is suitable for his level, but poor for advanced studies. To clarify; with enough practice we should "know" if Meditation A is mixing with Meditation B, therefore reaping benefits from both.
@M0VI3GUY If you are mixing Meditation A with Meditation B, then you are practicing neither one. To get the expected benefits from a technique, you must practice that technique. If you mix techniques together, then you won't necessarily get the benefits you would expect from each technique alone.
@MaharishiUniversity - Thank you for the reply, but I should give a more detailed clarification to my reasoning. We'll call "Meditation A" a physical systems meditation and "Meditation B" a perceptual systems meditation. If you focus to "deaden" or "cancel" receptors throughout your body such as natural skin galvanization through Meditation A, Meditation B is increased through enhanced brain activity (limited stimuli). This creates a "heightened" perceptual or emotional state in Meditation B.
@M0VI3GUY Sounds interesting in theory. To find out whether the theory works, you'd need to get physiological measurements – including EEG – for each meditation individually, and then for the new technique that combines the two. Without some sort of objective measurement, you can't really know what effects the meditation is producing.
With TM, the mind is settling down to complete silence. So you don't want to blend it with another meditation technique because that would keep the mind active.
@MaharishiUniversity - Exactly my point, experiencing this as a fact in my perceptual understanding only goes so far, it is only subjective.
With "TM", this is the "basics" to all advanced forms of meditation, using TM to calm yourself and your conscious connection with your environment you already "deaden" your perceptual filters such as sound and sight to focus on pure thought, this is how you can focus on what I e-mailed you about, "higher wave thought forms" in a material though wave form.
@M0VI3GUY In TM you don't focus on anything. If you try to focus,that's a lot of mental work, and it keeps your mind active so it doesn't settle down. So if you try to add some sort of focusing – or any other kind of mental activity – to TM, you're not practicing TM any more and you won't experience the silent depths of the mind.
Once you've finished your TM session, then you can focus on anything you like, and the mental clarity from TM will help you do that.
Dr. Travis says: Your question can be interpreted two ways: First, are the same parts of the brain affected similarly by different meditations? I'll answer this question here: I've presented and published research on this: Internation Journal of Neuroscience 116, 1519-38 (2006). There's also a YouTube video I made: Are all meditations the same? The answer, bascially, is NO: Each meditation has its own goals, its own technique, and its own effects and benefits.
2nd interpretation of your question: Does studying meditation have the same effect on the brain as actually meditating? For Transcendental Meditation, I would say it does not. TM takes the mind from active thinking levels to quieter levels. Studying the effects of TM means the mind is thinking--and cannot settle down to the same quiet state you experience when you transcend in TM. My video "The Transcending Brain" shows how this experience affects the brain.
thank you very much for your reply. i watched both videos. do you think the two types of meditation mentioned would be counter productive if both were practiced? i first think surely they would both aid in "opening" the mind to the experience of the other, then i find it hard to see where they would not clash in how they train the mind. thank you again, and i'll be thinking very hard about this!
The difficulty is that if you're practicing both types of meditation, then you might start mixing in a little of Meditation A when you're practicing Meditation B. In order to get the results of a meditation practice, you need to follow the instructions for that meditation. If you start mixing other things in -- whether it's on purpose or accidentally -- then you won't get the benefits. So probably it's better to stick to one meditation at a time.
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worldsacrap 9 months ago
The mind is just to be used to solve problems on how survive, does not have anything to do with the brain, I understand that the brain is just a part of the body and is one of the most difficult to study that is the why is so difficult to evaluate it compared with the heart, the bones, the stomach. I think we are more than a brain and we are more than the mind, we use the mind to control the body. The mind is just a collection of pictures with information that we use to solve problems.
MultiShanti2010 1 year ago
I've already applied to and received information about the school, what I would like is information on the science, being an adept at consciousness based phenomenon I am looking forward to further discussions with Dr. Travis. I must respond though to your final response to 'tooleydeviljuice'; that response is suitable for his level, but poor for advanced studies. To clarify; with enough practice we should "know" if Meditation A is mixing with Meditation B, therefore reaping benefits from both.
M0VI3GUY 1 year ago
@M0VI3GUY If you are mixing Meditation A with Meditation B, then you are practicing neither one. To get the expected benefits from a technique, you must practice that technique. If you mix techniques together, then you won't necessarily get the benefits you would expect from each technique alone.
MaharishiUniversity 1 year ago
@MaharishiUniversity - Thank you for the reply, but I should give a more detailed clarification to my reasoning. We'll call "Meditation A" a physical systems meditation and "Meditation B" a perceptual systems meditation. If you focus to "deaden" or "cancel" receptors throughout your body such as natural skin galvanization through Meditation A, Meditation B is increased through enhanced brain activity (limited stimuli). This creates a "heightened" perceptual or emotional state in Meditation B.
M0VI3GUY 1 year ago
@M0VI3GUY Sounds interesting in theory. To find out whether the theory works, you'd need to get physiological measurements – including EEG – for each meditation individually, and then for the new technique that combines the two. Without some sort of objective measurement, you can't really know what effects the meditation is producing.
With TM, the mind is settling down to complete silence. So you don't want to blend it with another meditation technique because that would keep the mind active.
MaharishiUniversity 1 year ago
@MaharishiUniversity - Exactly my point, experiencing this as a fact in my perceptual understanding only goes so far, it is only subjective.
With "TM", this is the "basics" to all advanced forms of meditation, using TM to calm yourself and your conscious connection with your environment you already "deaden" your perceptual filters such as sound and sight to focus on pure thought, this is how you can focus on what I e-mailed you about, "higher wave thought forms" in a material though wave form.
M0VI3GUY 1 year ago
@M0VI3GUY In TM you don't focus on anything. If you try to focus,that's a lot of mental work, and it keeps your mind active so it doesn't settle down. So if you try to add some sort of focusing – or any other kind of mental activity – to TM, you're not practicing TM any more and you won't experience the silent depths of the mind.
Once you've finished your TM session, then you can focus on anything you like, and the mental clarity from TM will help you do that.
MaharishiUniversity 1 year ago
Wow :))
SunnyChawla1992 1 year ago
Fred Travis is good at explaining things
splasher4444 2 years ago 2
Word.
kensho3 3 years ago
do you think that by studying the effects (and essence) of such meditations, that the same parts of the brain are affected in a similar way?
tooleydeviljuice 4 years ago
Dr. Travis says: Your question can be interpreted two ways: First, are the same parts of the brain affected similarly by different meditations? I'll answer this question here: I've presented and published research on this: Internation Journal of Neuroscience 116, 1519-38 (2006). There's also a YouTube video I made: Are all meditations the same? The answer, bascially, is NO: Each meditation has its own goals, its own technique, and its own effects and benefits.
MaharishiUniversity 4 years ago
Dr. Travis's answer, part 2:
2nd interpretation of your question: Does studying meditation have the same effect on the brain as actually meditating? For Transcendental Meditation, I would say it does not. TM takes the mind from active thinking levels to quieter levels. Studying the effects of TM means the mind is thinking--and cannot settle down to the same quiet state you experience when you transcend in TM. My video "The Transcending Brain" shows how this experience affects the brain.
MaharishiUniversity 4 years ago
thank you very much for your reply. i watched both videos. do you think the two types of meditation mentioned would be counter productive if both were practiced? i first think surely they would both aid in "opening" the mind to the experience of the other, then i find it hard to see where they would not clash in how they train the mind. thank you again, and i'll be thinking very hard about this!
tooleydeviljuice 3 years ago
The difficulty is that if you're practicing both types of meditation, then you might start mixing in a little of Meditation A when you're practicing Meditation B. In order to get the results of a meditation practice, you need to follow the instructions for that meditation. If you start mixing other things in -- whether it's on purpose or accidentally -- then you won't get the benefits. So probably it's better to stick to one meditation at a time.
MaharishiUniversity 3 years ago
Do you mean the Brain or the Mind? Two different things.
affluence8 2 years ago