This is moronic. Some dumb kid spouting half-assed theories that he's strung together from trawling Wikipedia, YouTube and watching TV. Is there a single idea here that's been subjected to any form of critical peer analysis? Thought not. Yet he's arrogant enough to think he knows better than Darwin who spent the better part of his life studying the subject first hand...and who's ideas have been tested for a century and a half by the best brains on the planet without springing a leak.
Dude, can't you think that the evolution would take an extreme long time, and that all would take a long time, example : birds flying. Do you know what chickens do ? They are basically birds, but by means of time, not able to fly anymore. So, if you really want to imagine : the first birds, could only go up into air for a short time, like chickens. Then they extended that ability. This is called evolution.
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How can anyone communicate with a man who cannot form sentences which accurately express a situation?
You're twisting words so you can make it sound bad. Nobody believes they were once a fish. the theory is that our ancestors were "fish", this is certainly not the same thing as once being a fish.
And I did take a look at your search suggestion and found myself hard pressed to find anything refuting evolution. Maybe you could explain it for me.
No man thinks they were at one point a fish or a monkey because they were born human. It's our way way way way way back ancestors that are just slightly less human then ourselves. Besides homo sapiens are already classified as a type of ape anyway.
Here's something for you, if you think human sperm and egg cells disprove evolution, you have no idea what evolution is.
Instead of researching google get yourself some good byology books!!!! or any!!! from real scientists, not idiots. There you will find your answers about how evolution by natural selection works, and has been prooven by massive evidence
the algorithms they use in the computer models are massively simplified.
they shouldn't be considered as a precise representation of mother nature. evolution is a force that has been given billions of years to produce the super complex organisms that it has.
is this a joke, no really. s it? "There is a picture of creation" what an absolute retard. You can see from his eyes there is nothing going on behind them.. just .. duuuuuurrrrr... repeat what my pastor said repeat what my pastor said repeat... FUCK OFF fucking morons like this idiot drive me nuts.
@RationalConclusion K fine. I guess we just evolved from hairy chimps who can't speak over time. WIth what evidence though? Someone get a fact telling me where it says we evolved from chimps and how exactly, with proof that didn't come from some 15 year old retarded kid. :)
@Jerauldo no your wrong no one ever said we evolved from chimps we share a common ancestor and genetics, homologies, atavisms, phylogonies, and fossils
Fossils and their exact distribution in time and space as you would expect by evolution... ADN, mutations, natural selection, artificial selection (example: dog breeders)... I could go all day long... watch richard dawkins videos he explains it very well.
@Jerauldo its a fact and a theory animals change over time like dogs from wolfs that is the fact of evolution the theory explains the facts and oh yeh germs, heliocentric earth, cells, atoms are only theories
job chapter 40 verse 15, i think, it talks about the behemoth, which is probably a souropod because it says it has a tail like a tree, there is another one it talks about, called the liviathen, but i cant remember were that was, also the word Dragon is mentioned dozens of times in the bible, which probably ment dinosour.
i couldnt quite understand some of wot u said soz, i normaly speak welsh not english, but to your last question i am saying that soropods lived at the same time as Job, even up until the middle ages, because i have seen a picture in a cretaion magazine of a carving of a soropod in a cathedral, dating about 1500. so yeh they lived up to quite recently, mabey some even live in remore prts of Africa, a tribe in Africa talks of a beasts call kilimembay, which they describe to look like a dinosour.
Can you find a link to that image? Also, I am sure I can find one image in a cathedral that did not exist, so one that resembles a dinosaur does not mean that one lived a few hundred years ago. If a Muslim draws a flying horse, that does not mean that one actually existed.
Also, I wouldn't consider that a problem with evolution. Archeology perhaps.
thats got to be the most stupid thing i have ever heard in my life, unfortunatly i cant show u the picture, but to say that it was probaly a made up creture is absurd, it is and actual carving of a soropod, and if it was the cathedrals imagination of a mythical beast, its a blood y huge coincedence that it looks a splitin image of a dinosour, i i dont remember hearing anything about priests in the middle ages goin on archeological digs. P.S are u an actual creationist or not?
Ive seen the picture. the 'spikes' on the creatures 'back' are actually the frenels on the surrounding area. the creature in the carving...it's a PIG.
the picture in question is definitely a pig. how do we know? it's a repeating motif and the OTHER ones in the motife are obviously pigs (big floppy ears, pointed porcine toes etc) the reason creationist picked this one of all of them? because the crenelations which are on the outer motif are 'squished' on this image in order to fit in the available space.
either way. two headed dragons have been described in art. does that make THEM real to? it's a non argument based on ignorance.
I'd have to see the rest to see the repeating motif. I can certainly imagine that it is the case.
Actually, I am supposing that pictures of dragons mean to them that dragons in fact are real. Especially considering that their Bible does have a fire breathing dragon.
sure, but there argument goes something like this:
them: the bible is true.
response: what about dragons?
them: see these people drew pictures of things like dragons, therefore dragons existed and lived at the same time as them! therefore the 6000 year old earth idea is right and everything was created in 6 days by god.
response: um...err...WTF? non sequitur? argument from ignorance? jumping to conclusions? occams razor? any of this ring a bell?
addmoreice: It is quite hilarious that science is about finding data to prove OR disprove their own hypothesis, and data the proves a hypothesis turns into a theory which leaves open discussion for others to try and disprove it (which allows our knowledge to increase by giving us hurdles to overcome).
Religious view works like this: God made everything, and if something seems out of place, it is the devil and we must take the bible and find passages that are vague enough to work. Done
My apologies, there is a text limit and some keywords had to be chosen..."prove" does mean "verify through data," at least that's how I meant it to come off, miscommunication...again, my apologies. Thanks for catching it
The part that doesn't obviously matter about the 'scientists just use a copy function' comparing to reproduction, if the creature is going to fail at reproducing, it will not be able to reproduce, and be a failure and be eliminated. A simulated mutation in a computer is going to be on a large scale compared to the tiny mutation in any DNA.
If we were created in the image of a God, and we all came from the same parents originally, we would all look the same. Just as you look like your parents.
The flaw is a modifying environment exists in the world. A single creature doesn't need to change without some amount of competition or hazards to weed out the failed 'models'. And this takes place over many generations over large amounts of time.
If we were creatively designed, this would mean we'd be perfect, so no babies would die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or be born with defects.
Your argument contains a fundamental flaw: In a biological transformation -from, say, walking to jumping to gliding to flying- each starting point is a creature already functional. Not an imperfect, experimental form poof'ed into existance in an empty, synthetic space.
It already has perfected motorical skills and senses. It allready knows how to navigate in 3D space and avoid enemies.
Therefore your analogy fails. Evolution is a matter of adaption rather than inventing from scratch.
So the bible says. I mean Isaiah talks about Jesus 700 years before he was even born. Then he goes on the talk about how he would suffer and die to cover the worlds sins and take their iniquity away. Read Isaiah 7:14-16, Isaiah 9:2-7, and Isaiah 53:1-12. He talks about his coming and his resurrection to the very last detail. I know it may be hard for you if you are an atheist. It makes their ears bleed when they hear the truth and proves everything they believe is a lie
Any religion that worships that hands of man, or ideas that were generally thought of by man are usually false. Even if the ideas agree with God and his word, they do not give credit to God. People take what God has given them and claim it as their own. Then there are those religions that try to distort the Truth and tell lies. Even the book that they hold true is a lie. And they will kill for it and can't see the truth. God is the life and and he is love. The truth is written in his word.
Hey man. I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. I don't know everything, but there is more truth to the bible than people realize. I am sorry if I offended anybody.
There is no proof of evolution! Natural adaptation is NOT evolution. If evolution was ever a reality, it would still be going on. And there is no physical evidence that supports it has ever actually happened - anywhere, EVER!
I only sad that evolution is another false religion. I am reformed Presbyterian. "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. (Psalm 14:1)
You are all full of crap . Did you notice that Evolution is just another religion also? Look at their "Big Bang" They say that the universe was created by a massive explosion that set every thing in order for the last 4.5 billion years. Where did these particals that created the explosion come from? Did they shit themselves into exsistance? See, just another religion. mmmm toughie ain't it?
"...All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
-Bill Hicks
Spirituality is AWESOME.....religion is not.
However, I do respect DayfallKat for debating and keeping an open mind.
Now to support my claim of focusing on the external exclusively.
In any relationship a human has, if you do not first understand yourself, you will be limited to the level of understanding you will have on anything else. ESPECIALLY "GOD".
Religion is counterproductive since it encourages one to focus on the external, instead of yourself.
We are nothing but energy(light and sound). Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred from one form to another...cont.
Finally, a christian that THINKS!!! Too bad he cant focus on something more productive and beneficial.
In my own opinion, I feel that focusing so intensely on anything other than yourself(i.e. the bible, jesus, god, or any other propagated story/mythical creature)will never bring true enlightenment, increased awareness of our reality, or a higher state of consciousness.
We are all one. We collectively agree on what "reality" is. And, back in primitive days, we agreed on the bible. NOT ANYMORE!
Fx genetic algos is used for problem solving and works quit well for optimization. If you are looking for realistic artificial life simus, you can have a look on the latest cell simulations with replica, and wait a while to we enough computing power to simulate physical dynamics to a sufficient level. Last word, ideas from evolution are quit successful in solving real world problems.
I don't know very much about the Bible but I do know that the correct translation is "A beginning" not "In the beginning". This information has been in the public domain for years. Does it not reach people like this guy? Or is it the usual case of "blinkers up" syndrome. Take that idea to the scientists mate.
I'll say it might be true. Unfortunately, might doesn't cut it in science. And Genesis? I think you are now in a massive minority who still believe in that book. Talking snake? And he created light after the heaven and the Earth so he did those in the dark too did He? Man out of dirt off the ground or man evolving from beings that we share over 96% of our DNA with? Hmmmm. Toughie. What happens if they find a fossil in the ice on Mars now then? Just left that out of the Bible is it?!
So now you move to something else? Why not bring up a valid point the first time? "might doesn't cut it in science" Sure it does. Scientists are theorizing over all kinds of things like multiple universes. If they are not saying "there might be other universes" then what are they saying? Do scientists say "I might be wrong"? Not according to you. That doesn't cut it in science.
The time of dark chaos approaches us. We will join our hands in the demon's realm. The holy light cries out in pain. The lies of god have been cast aside. The powerless now cower before the master. While they mutter their prayers of ignorance. Singing empty songs of their final defeat. They can not hide from Satan's wraith. He shall feast upon the hordes of mortal sheep. Their tender blood, drunk as wine. Their life-less bodies, quickly devoured. Their brittle bones, built his throne.
and this is 2 everyone evolution is a series of ADAPTATIONS!!!
the series makes so many adaptations to were it can survive in its enviornment!!!! so if u say u dont believe in evolution u dont believe in ADAPTATIONS!!
Um, these computer programs are not perfect. We cannot take into account all the acids and random mutations into a simple computer program. To even record all the variations in strand would take years and years. For one animal.
Who believe that space expanding? And why you believe that? You cant even see space.
Atoms expanding all a time and same time expanding atoms nucleus emit energywaves who have nature of expanding electrons and expanding photons, who also emit expanding energywaves. And thats the way it is. Einstein was wrong. Only power is pressure.
Theory (Idea) of expanding atoms, and you know lot of more what today physics can told you.
All that this has proven is that there are flaws with genetic algorithms. Of course a computer con not accurately reproduce the real world down to the last detail.
Lol, you're basing your opinion off a computer program? We have a hard enough time predicting next weeks weather with our current programs and simulations. What makes you think a program can accurately predict or simulate tens of millions of years of life on earth? I guess the better explanation is that god waived his hand and created everything, that makes so much more sense.
The idiocy of this video is astounding. Before you think of making another video, do these: 1) Check facts. 2) Eliminate ridiculous logical leaps. 3) Learn grammar.
god is not real u gullible fuck its like believing in the easter bunny or the tooth fairy. Accept there stil retards out there that think god is real hahahahaha
Right, so I guess everything just magically appeared on its own. Not believing there is a God is like believing you can make a monkey come out of your ass at anytime you want. I find It really funny that you people try to put science over everything while never asking your selfs how science go here. But, I guess you have everything figured out right?
Oooh I had a tiny bible like that! It was cute, but I couldn't read a word of it. Anyways, nice video, it's almost hilarious to see people actually think you're being serious (aka, agreeing with you or disagreeing with you).
Good one! You get down to the nitty gritty about how it would have had to work had evolution been the way and shown very rationally that it couldn't have been done by itself.
If you think my incredibly bad arguments are "very rational" then you obviously just want someone to agree with you no matter if it makes sense or not. Good going, creationist.
Oh please. You're not even talking about biological evolution, so you really shouldn't expect to be able to disprove it. And by the way, this isn't even evidence, and it wouldn't be, even if you were talking about biological evolution.
I have the Jabberwocky memorized. Oh, and BTW, I am the only one who can truly understand that poem. You don't believe in Alice's journey so you can't .... Oh wait, I have been talking to too many Muslims.
I think you didn't get my point, little conceited character. My interrogation marks underlined the fact I was flabbergasted by your ignorance and your childish arguments. Period.
We are nearing the end of religious incredulity. Every single year science uncovers new evidence, which without intent, sullies the integrity of religion everywhere.
I can't help but feel that what we are currently experiencing is religion's "last gasp!" Kicking and screaming, unwilling to behave rationally, the pious will stop at nothing as they attempt to smother scientific discovery.
I like that Horace Mann quote. How can you say we have created a better intelligence???? No machine has any kind of intelligence, it only has a preset of possible answers given by a human mind!!!
It didn't work in the biggest intelligence on earth, man. Yet it worked in... nothing? That lets you with one shitty intelligence, you can't create what nothing did, how can you trust your own intelligence?
i guess you know alot about computer science and engineering, and would like to debate this with someone who has a degree in engineering and computer science like myself. i guess you dont know that alot of the complex networks through which your video passed through are based on some of these algorithms,
stupid arguments
anybody with half a brain and understands genetic algorithms are laughing at you right now.
What is this guy blabbing on about? People are using evolutionary logarithms in engineering to find better shapes of wings, cars, fans, blades etc to find the most efficient shapes. Does this guy have any education what so ever?
so then Mensa, why do people from africa have dark skin and people from colder places have lighter skin? It because through their generations the pigment in their skin has released more melantin or whatever its called to help protect them from the sun. their bodys have adapted to the environment. this is living proof of evolution. Ever have a freakin suntan genius, well picture it lasting over thousands of years
I can agree the creatures can adapt, but to base this on the whole universe is insane, illogical, and plainly absurd. Its like saying if a man works out enough he'll be able to lift a planet or if a sword can cut through this block of wood it must be able to cut through this wrecking-ball.. its just moronic.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. No idea.
Genetic algorithms and genetic programming have produced things that are better than any human-designed equivalent. I can give you complete references if it will change your mind.
Is this the place there Muslims go to jerk off to their god. You have to serioulsy messed up in the head if you think those arguments will convince anyone? Ok, anyone that doesn't have mental problems also.
That entire site is just so you can say "Look at all the scientific proof of Allah. Atheists must be intentionally blind to not see that (flowers, the blue sky, etc.. ) prove Allah."
I will be showing this to all the Christian creationists I know.
The documentary film you will watch in this site reveals that the theory of evolution is being refuted by the findings of the modern science. You will see that the origin of our lives is not evolution, but Divine creation. And this is a fact which is also supported by overwhelming scientific evidence.
It was easy to find the same mistakes that the first site had. I have a feeling these people know of their errors but would have little if they didn't use them. So, it is fitting they have "deceit" in their domain name.
"To illustrate the vain conceit that the universe must be somehow pre-ordained for us, because we are so well-suited to live in it, he [Adams] mimed a wonderfully funny imitation of a puddle of water, fitting itself snugly into a depression in the ground, the depression uncannily being exactly the same shape as the puddle." -- Richard Dawkins
And you have now made your "excllent points". I ask that you leave your amazing proofs of Allah somewhere else.
"The accidental perfection of this Universe is greater than anything made on purpose"
Find me a planet, or star that isnt a sphere. Explain to me how gravity is perfectly designed to make the universe come together without conflict, and how the earth is perfectly designed to sustain life.
Er.. planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it. With its large body and internal heating from radioactive elements, a planet behaves like a fluid, and over long periods of time succumbs to the gravitational pull from its center of gravity. Simple stuff
How else should the world be designed? If anything were different you would say "look at that! that is the way it is, that works, it must be more fit than any other possiblity!"
what about the billions of other planets that sustain nothing but gas and rock?
evolutionary algortihms are a set of algorithms that vary candidate programs, those that are more fit for that task are promoted, the less fit instances are discarded. this is the basic idea as i understand it.
The fact that your computer simulation failed does not disprove evolution, if anything it proves that your computer simulation is worthless. Try using a better program, one that takes "real data"(REALITY) from the fossil record...Oh wait, this has already been done, it is called Cladistics, look in to it!
I could program a computer so that 3 would be equal to 2 therefore 2 + 3 would be 4. Computers aren't always accurate as it is man who has to imput the data.
Oxygen Thief !
jontibloom 2 weeks ago
oh...that explains it... :))
prsaledja 1 year ago
is this parody or what?
prsaledja 1 year ago
@prsaledja It is me trying to be a creationist.
DayfallKat 1 year ago
Your grasp on evolution is piddly at best. You need to attend a college biology course.
TimeDivider 1 year ago
This is moronic. Some dumb kid spouting half-assed theories that he's strung together from trawling Wikipedia, YouTube and watching TV. Is there a single idea here that's been subjected to any form of critical peer analysis? Thought not. Yet he's arrogant enough to think he knows better than Darwin who spent the better part of his life studying the subject first hand...and who's ideas have been tested for a century and a half by the best brains on the planet without springing a leak.
alfapint 1 year ago
If you can't quote sources, then your entire argument is null.
And your hypotheticals are absolute nonsense, unsupported assumptions.
Galardenta 2 years ago
Yeah, why believe Stephen Hawkings when I can believe this genius?
Haroldbeavis1969 2 years ago
very good! :D i think that you could have used better examples~ but overall very nice^^
prettymoomoocows 2 years ago
Dude, can't you think that the evolution would take an extreme long time, and that all would take a long time, example : birds flying. Do you know what chickens do ? They are basically birds, but by means of time, not able to fly anymore. So, if you really want to imagine : the first birds, could only go up into air for a short time, like chickens. Then they extended that ability. This is called evolution.
qwerty123456789jhdtg 2 years ago
What are the latest theories regarding the evolution of woman?
ecapa0020 2 years ago
I'm rather certain I dropped several IQ points watching this video...
drdistracto707 2 years ago
I just can't believe that this guy has built
his entire argument--or most of it--against
evolution on some computer simulation.
You have given us nothing but gibberish
and you expect us to take you with any
seriousness? The idea that world was "created" by a deity is based solely on a "belief"--something that doesn't have
a field of inquiring thereby and for which no tangible "evidence" can be presented.
Dogmas has nothing to offer but opposition to reason and circular arguments.
pedrom41 2 years ago
how can anyone believe a man who thinks that at one point he was a monkey or a fish??
here is something for you, human egg and sperm prove evolution is wrong.
how?
research google
RizeOrDie 2 years ago
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DayfallKat 2 years ago
How can anyone communicate with a man who cannot form sentences which accurately express a situation?
You're twisting words so you can make it sound bad. Nobody believes they were once a fish. the theory is that our ancestors were "fish", this is certainly not the same thing as once being a fish.
And I did take a look at your search suggestion and found myself hard pressed to find anything refuting evolution. Maybe you could explain it for me.
KevinLounsberry 2 years ago
No man thinks they were at one point a fish or a monkey because they were born human. It's our way way way way way back ancestors that are just slightly less human then ourselves. Besides homo sapiens are already classified as a type of ape anyway.
Here's something for you, if you think human sperm and egg cells disprove evolution, you have no idea what evolution is.
Bluedragon094 2 years ago
@RizeOrDie actually there is a very good explanation for the egg and sperm evolution go look up cdk007 he has a vid that covers that issue
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@RizeOrDie
Instead of researching google get yourself some good byology books!!!! or any!!! from real scientists, not idiots. There you will find your answers about how evolution by natural selection works, and has been prooven by massive evidence
rsolano60 1 year ago
If a real refutation were to come about, for darwinian evolution, it would come from a real SCIENTIST, not an IDIOT
rsolano60 1 year ago
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dumbnetworks 8 months ago
duudde..
the algorithms they use in the computer models are massively simplified.
they shouldn't be considered as a precise representation of mother nature. evolution is a force that has been given billions of years to produce the super complex organisms that it has.
alifeofarcticsounds 2 years ago 2
is this a joke, no really. s it? "There is a picture of creation" what an absolute retard. You can see from his eyes there is nothing going on behind them.. just .. duuuuuurrrrr... repeat what my pastor said repeat what my pastor said repeat... FUCK OFF fucking morons like this idiot drive me nuts.
Studiostrooz 2 years ago
Evolution is a fact. Don't let your religious beliefs blind you from what is true about the universe.
RationalConclusion 2 years ago 10
@RationalConclusion Awesome statement! Correction #1: Evolution is not a fact, it's a theory.
DUH LOL
Jerauldo 1 year ago
@Jerauldo evolution is a fact which has a theory.
Do you know what a scientific theory is?
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
@RationalConclusion K fine. I guess we just evolved from hairy chimps who can't speak over time. WIth what evidence though? Someone get a fact telling me where it says we evolved from chimps and how exactly, with proof that didn't come from some 15 year old retarded kid. :)
Jerauldo 1 year ago
"WIth what evidence though?"
We both have 5 fingers on a hand.
"Someone get a fact telling me where it says we evolved from chimps"
Chromosome pair #2
"and how exactly"
Me too. I also want to know exactly how high Jesus flew up before he got to heaven.
"with proof"
I want proof we didn't.
DayfallKat 1 year ago
@Jerauldo no your wrong no one ever said we evolved from chimps we share a common ancestor and genetics, homologies, atavisms, phylogonies, and fossils
patrickledford420 1 year ago
@Jerauldo
Fossils and their exact distribution in time and space as you would expect by evolution... ADN, mutations, natural selection, artificial selection (example: dog breeders)... I could go all day long... watch richard dawkins videos he explains it very well.
rsolano60 1 year ago
@Jerauldo its a fact and a theory animals change over time like dogs from wolfs that is the fact of evolution the theory explains the facts and oh yeh germs, heliocentric earth, cells, atoms are only theories
patrickledford420 1 year ago
if eveloution is true, how come there are dinsours mentioned in the bible, hundreds of years before they were dicovered?
welshwarriar 2 years ago
This ought to be good. Where does it say that?
DayfallKat 2 years ago
job chapter 40 verse 15, i think, it talks about the behemoth, which is probably a souropod because it says it has a tail like a tree, there is another one it talks about, called the liviathen, but i cant remember were that was, also the word Dragon is mentioned dozens of times in the bible, which probably ment dinosour.
welshwarriar 2 years ago
"because it says it has a tail like a tree"
That is assuming that the girth is the attribute that is being compared. And it assumes that it is a real animal and not like a snowman or Bigfoot.
That is in the next chapter. "probably ment dinosour." I propose it meant dragon considering it breathed fire.
And if you say it was a mundane animal that people actually saw then are you saying that sauropods lived at the time of Job?
DayfallKat 2 years ago
i couldnt quite understand some of wot u said soz, i normaly speak welsh not english, but to your last question i am saying that soropods lived at the same time as Job, even up until the middle ages, because i have seen a picture in a cretaion magazine of a carving of a soropod in a cathedral, dating about 1500. so yeh they lived up to quite recently, mabey some even live in remore prts of Africa, a tribe in Africa talks of a beasts call kilimembay, which they describe to look like a dinosour.
welshwarriar 2 years ago
Can you find a link to that image? Also, I am sure I can find one image in a cathedral that did not exist, so one that resembles a dinosaur does not mean that one lived a few hundred years ago. If a Muslim draws a flying horse, that does not mean that one actually existed.
Also, I wouldn't consider that a problem with evolution. Archeology perhaps.
DayfallKat 2 years ago
thats got to be the most stupid thing i have ever heard in my life, unfortunatly i cant show u the picture, but to say that it was probaly a made up creture is absurd, it is and actual carving of a soropod, and if it was the cathedrals imagination of a mythical beast, its a blood y huge coincedence that it looks a splitin image of a dinosour, i i dont remember hearing anything about priests in the middle ages goin on archeological digs. P.S are u an actual creationist or not?
welshwarriar 2 years ago
Wait, you thought I was a creationist? Now, that is the most stupid thing I have heard.
"it is and actual carving of a soropod"
Certainly you cant' be wrong now could you? Is it the one in this video?
watch?v=9tvJRtGRtFc
Look at the first link. Duh, it is an icon of a chameleon. Which do live in south Asia.
You can claim it is a dinosaur all you want. What is sad is that you think I should just take your word for it.
DayfallKat 2 years ago
Ive seen the picture. the 'spikes' on the creatures 'back' are actually the frenels on the surrounding area. the creature in the carving...it's a PIG.
addmoreice 2 years ago
Perhaps. But I think the "tusks" are just the mouth. The lizards' mouths do curve up like that. The "ears" look to me like the jawbone.
DayfallKat 2 years ago
the picture in question is definitely a pig. how do we know? it's a repeating motif and the OTHER ones in the motife are obviously pigs (big floppy ears, pointed porcine toes etc) the reason creationist picked this one of all of them? because the crenelations which are on the outer motif are 'squished' on this image in order to fit in the available space.
either way. two headed dragons have been described in art. does that make THEM real to? it's a non argument based on ignorance.
addmoreice 2 years ago
I'd have to see the rest to see the repeating motif. I can certainly imagine that it is the case.
Actually, I am supposing that pictures of dragons mean to them that dragons in fact are real. Especially considering that their Bible does have a fire breathing dragon.
DayfallKat 2 years ago
sure, but there argument goes something like this:
them: the bible is true.
response: what about dragons?
them: see these people drew pictures of things like dragons, therefore dragons existed and lived at the same time as them! therefore the 6000 year old earth idea is right and everything was created in 6 days by god.
response: um...err...WTF? non sequitur? argument from ignorance? jumping to conclusions? occams razor? any of this ring a bell?
see why i find there 'logic' faulty?
addmoreice 2 years ago
addmoreice: It is quite hilarious that science is about finding data to prove OR disprove their own hypothesis, and data the proves a hypothesis turns into a theory which leaves open discussion for others to try and disprove it (which allows our knowledge to increase by giving us hurdles to overcome).
Religious view works like this: God made everything, and if something seems out of place, it is the devil and we must take the bible and find passages that are vague enough to work. Done
sabriath 2 years ago
Just a suggestion. Don't say that data "proves" a hypothesis. Say, "data verifies predictions made by the hypothesis."
DayfallKat 2 years ago
i hate to agree, but yeah, dayfallkat is correct there. technically you can't prove anything but a definitional or mathematics, but you CAN disprove.
addmoreice 2 years ago
My apologies, there is a text limit and some keywords had to be chosen..."prove" does mean "verify through data," at least that's how I meant it to come off, miscommunication...again, my apologies. Thanks for catching it
sabriath 2 years ago
The part that doesn't obviously matter about the 'scientists just use a copy function' comparing to reproduction, if the creature is going to fail at reproducing, it will not be able to reproduce, and be a failure and be eliminated. A simulated mutation in a computer is going to be on a large scale compared to the tiny mutation in any DNA.
If we were created in the image of a God, and we all came from the same parents originally, we would all look the same. Just as you look like your parents.
whoarentyou 3 years ago
The flaw is a modifying environment exists in the world. A single creature doesn't need to change without some amount of competition or hazards to weed out the failed 'models'. And this takes place over many generations over large amounts of time.
If we were creatively designed, this would mean we'd be perfect, so no babies would die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or be born with defects.
whoarentyou 3 years ago
Your argument contains a fundamental flaw: In a biological transformation -from, say, walking to jumping to gliding to flying- each starting point is a creature already functional. Not an imperfect, experimental form poof'ed into existance in an empty, synthetic space.
It already has perfected motorical skills and senses. It allready knows how to navigate in 3D space and avoid enemies.
Therefore your analogy fails. Evolution is a matter of adaption rather than inventing from scratch.
Cephalochordata 3 years ago
So the bible says. I mean Isaiah talks about Jesus 700 years before he was even born. Then he goes on the talk about how he would suffer and die to cover the worlds sins and take their iniquity away. Read Isaiah 7:14-16, Isaiah 9:2-7, and Isaiah 53:1-12. He talks about his coming and his resurrection to the very last detail. I know it may be hard for you if you are an atheist. It makes their ears bleed when they hear the truth and proves everything they believe is a lie
jignc1984 3 years ago
Any religion that worships that hands of man, or ideas that were generally thought of by man are usually false. Even if the ideas agree with God and his word, they do not give credit to God. People take what God has given them and claim it as their own. Then there are those religions that try to distort the Truth and tell lies. Even the book that they hold true is a lie. And they will kill for it and can't see the truth. God is the life and and he is love. The truth is written in his word.
jignc1984 3 years ago
so you say.
DayfallKat 3 years ago
Hey man. I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. I don't know everything, but there is more truth to the bible than people realize. I am sorry if I offended anybody.
jignc1984 3 years ago
There is no proof of evolution! Natural adaptation is NOT evolution. If evolution was ever a reality, it would still be going on. And there is no physical evidence that supports it has ever actually happened - anywhere, EVER!
MsBlackPhotography 3 years ago
NO I DON'T DEFINE RELIGION AS SOMETHING FALSE!
I only sad that evolution is another false religion. I am reformed Presbyterian. "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. (Psalm 14:1)
SPARTANB927 3 years ago
Evolution is certainly not a religion
Hirnlego999 3 years ago 2
You are all full of crap . Did you notice that Evolution is just another religion also? Look at their "Big Bang" They say that the universe was created by a massive explosion that set every thing in order for the last 4.5 billion years. Where did these particals that created the explosion come from? Did they shit themselves into exsistance? See, just another religion. mmmm toughie ain't it?
SPARTANB927 3 years ago
So you define religion as something that doesn't make sense? Something that is false?
What is your religion?
DayfallKat 3 years ago
"Where did these particals that created the explosion come from?"
google Higgs Boson
mandangalo18 3 years ago
get a bigger bible.
SPARTANB927 3 years ago
Whoa, look at these comments.. Poe's law in action.
Mithcoriel 3 years ago
cont..
"...All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves..."
-Bill Hicks
Spirituality is AWESOME.....religion is not.
However, I do respect DayfallKat for debating and keeping an open mind.
OneHandHigh 3 years ago
Now to support my claim of focusing on the external exclusively.
In any relationship a human has, if you do not first understand yourself, you will be limited to the level of understanding you will have on anything else. ESPECIALLY "GOD".
Religion is counterproductive since it encourages one to focus on the external, instead of yourself.
We are nothing but energy(light and sound). Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred from one form to another...cont.
OneHandHigh 3 years ago
Finally, a christian that THINKS!!! Too bad he cant focus on something more productive and beneficial.
In my own opinion, I feel that focusing so intensely on anything other than yourself(i.e. the bible, jesus, god, or any other propagated story/mythical creature)will never bring true enlightenment, increased awareness of our reality, or a higher state of consciousness.
We are all one. We collectively agree on what "reality" is. And, back in primitive days, we agreed on the bible. NOT ANYMORE!
OneHandHigh 3 years ago
of cors the bird would have died. that's how natural selection works. the weeker organisums die the strong ones survive. don't you know anything?
celestialsalamander 3 years ago
This is completely wrong.
Fx genetic algos is used for problem solving and works quit well for optimization. If you are looking for realistic artificial life simus, you can have a look on the latest cell simulations with replica, and wait a while to we enough computing power to simulate physical dynamics to a sufficient level. Last word, ideas from evolution are quit successful in solving real world problems.
barisozdil 3 years ago
I don't know very much about the Bible but I do know that the correct translation is "A beginning" not "In the beginning". This information has been in the public domain for years. Does it not reach people like this guy? Or is it the usual case of "blinkers up" syndrome. Take that idea to the scientists mate.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
"Does it not reach people like this guy?"
Oh, everyone knows. But the problem in in the practiced vocalization of the written words. They could be saying the wrong vowel.
Secondly, multiple creations would account for the other people appearing in the beginning of Genesis.
Also, it can mean multiple universes. "Take that idea to the scientists." Ok, they are saying it might be true.
You = fail.
DayfallKat 3 years ago
I'll say it might be true. Unfortunately, might doesn't cut it in science. And Genesis? I think you are now in a massive minority who still believe in that book. Talking snake? And he created light after the heaven and the Earth so he did those in the dark too did He? Man out of dirt off the ground or man evolving from beings that we share over 96% of our DNA with? Hmmmm. Toughie. What happens if they find a fossil in the ice on Mars now then? Just left that out of the Bible is it?!
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
So now you move to something else? Why not bring up a valid point the first time? "might doesn't cut it in science" Sure it does. Scientists are theorizing over all kinds of things like multiple universes. If they are not saying "there might be other universes" then what are they saying? Do scientists say "I might be wrong"? Not according to you. That doesn't cut it in science.
DayfallKat 3 years ago
TheDarkLordLucifer 3 years ago
hey do u know wut evolutin is?
and this is 2 everyone evolution is a series of ADAPTATIONS!!!
the series makes so many adaptations to were it can survive in its enviornment!!!! so if u say u dont believe in evolution u dont believe in ADAPTATIONS!!
MODredxking 3 years ago
How does it feel to be retarded?
esurfer89 3 years ago
I assume you didn't see the video this was a response to.
DayfallKat 3 years ago
Um, these computer programs are not perfect. We cannot take into account all the acids and random mutations into a simple computer program. To even record all the variations in strand would take years and years. For one animal.
RealityBend 3 years ago 2
Oh no, evolution is disproved by a computer simulation! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
MrPinz 3 years ago
That's right, atheist!! LOL!!!!
pretearking 3 years ago
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Who believe that space expanding? And why you believe that? You cant even see space.
Atoms expanding all a time and same time expanding atoms nucleus emit energywaves who have nature of expanding electrons and expanding photons, who also emit expanding energywaves. And thats the way it is. Einstein was wrong. Only power is pressure.
Theory (Idea) of expanding atoms, and you know lot of more what today physics can told you.
Etimespace 3 years ago
Ye i don't get how the universe is expanding! I can get how things IN the universe can expand.
RealityBend 3 years ago
Energy = Energy Condition grid/cobweb/lattice/mesh, which expands in the background space which does not expand or arches.
That energyconditiongrid it is lattice where energy is different density energy and that energy expanding all a time.
We have name for that phenomena and it is Entropy!
You already know that?
Etimespace 3 years ago
Haha, you're ignorant. Evolution is a fact, not some opinion.
mmmAH 3 years ago 2
Oh did they prove it? when? lol....
slux773 3 years ago
Examples of common microevolution:
+The same strains of influenza mutating every season.
+The Methicillin resistant (evolved, BTW) Staphylococcus
+Penicillin resistant Streptococcus pneumoniae
+ Also E. Coli and Mycobacterium tuberculosis.
Example of macroevolution evidence by C. Elegans, a muticelluar worm.
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(h t t p) :// w w w(dot) sciam (dot) com/article (dot) cfm?id=evolution-in-a-petri
Dertygian 3 years ago
lol... i love ur tiny bible... it probably doesn't have everything word for word in the bible...
idk
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ilikeconverseANDkj52 3 years ago
This is so scary I couldn't tell if you were serious or satirical! Lol. Good job at talking BS with a straight face! haha.
sandform 3 years ago
All that this has proven is that there are flaws with genetic algorithms. Of course a computer con not accurately reproduce the real world down to the last detail.
xorflex 3 years ago
you know f45k all....simulation NOT real life...
james37cu1 3 years ago
Do you seriously believe what you're saying? Or is this some kind of joke?
jagsfan8203 3 years ago 5
Lol, you're basing your opinion off a computer program? We have a hard enough time predicting next weeks weather with our current programs and simulations. What makes you think a program can accurately predict or simulate tens of millions of years of life on earth? I guess the better explanation is that god waived his hand and created everything, that makes so much more sense.
jagsfan8203 3 years ago
Where did you get that tiny bible? I want one!
FrontalTraction 3 years ago
I have no idea. Had it forever.
DayfallKat 3 years ago
Ok. I have a green one right next to me about 4 inches tall and 3 inches wide and 0.75 inches thick. Lol it's kind of small!
FrontalTraction 3 years ago
The idiocy of this video is astounding. Before you think of making another video, do these: 1) Check facts. 2) Eliminate ridiculous logical leaps. 3) Learn grammar.
On second thought, don't make another video.
emanueljones 3 years ago
Oh yeah... doesn't work AT all.
Evolution in a computer is a program that humans wrote that isn't nearly has variable as reality.
Most simpler creatures, sponges, don't need to move.
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 years ago
Wow....just wow. *shakes head*
TwigsInc 4 years ago
Don't worship false icons all hail santa!!!
jeff9868 4 years ago
FUCK you stupid bastard. You can burn in your own hell.
4545462 4 years ago
god is not real u gullible fuck its like believing in the easter bunny or the tooth fairy. Accept there stil retards out there that think god is real hahahahaha
67675656565655656565 4 years ago
Right, so I guess everything just magically appeared on its own. Not believing there is a God is like believing you can make a monkey come out of your ass at anytime you want. I find It really funny that you people try to put science over everything while never asking your selfs how science go here. But, I guess you have everything figured out right?
AirsickBilly08 4 years ago
This guy has obviously not read Dawkins. Nice try at an argument. If anybody is accepting dayfallkat's work as truth needs to read a book.
atheismmakessense 4 years ago
Oooh I had a tiny bible like that! It was cute, but I couldn't read a word of it. Anyways, nice video, it's almost hilarious to see people actually think you're being serious (aka, agreeing with you or disagreeing with you).
ILoveMyMatty 4 years ago
wow i feel stupider just watching that video
killblackstar 4 years ago 3
I feel stupidER for making it.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Good one! You get down to the nitty gritty about how it would have had to work had evolution been the way and shown very rationally that it couldn't have been done by itself.
followwaytruthlife 4 years ago
If you think my incredibly bad arguments are "very rational" then you obviously just want someone to agree with you no matter if it makes sense or not. Good going, creationist.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Oh please. You're not even talking about biological evolution, so you really shouldn't expect to be able to disprove it. And by the way, this isn't even evidence, and it wouldn't be, even if you were talking about biological evolution.
TheLonelyImmortal 4 years ago 2
im sorry but your comments are wrong, amebas cant think, neither can cocroaches
time4amindchange 4 years ago
Please, go back to kindergarten. They will induce to read "Alice in Wonderland", which I doubt you will be able to understand anyway.
MACSHUNDESS 4 years ago
I have the Jabberwocky memorized. Oh, and BTW, I am the only one who can truly understand that poem. You don't believe in Alice's journey so you can't .... Oh wait, I have been talking to too many Muslims.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
???
MACSHUNDESS 4 years ago
That proves my point. The truth confuses you.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
I think you didn't get my point, little conceited character. My interrogation marks underlined the fact I was flabbergasted by your ignorance and your childish arguments. Period.
MACSHUNDESS 4 years ago
Just for a hint, watch the video this one was a response to.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
We are nearing the end of religious incredulity. Every single year science uncovers new evidence, which without intent, sullies the integrity of religion everywhere.
I can't help but feel that what we are currently experiencing is religion's "last gasp!" Kicking and screaming, unwilling to behave rationally, the pious will stop at nothing as they attempt to smother scientific discovery.
jumbowhite 4 years ago
Children will doubt if allowed to. They will be the end of religion.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Uh, just because an algorithm is crap is not proof positive that evolution is false.
morelikejewtubelol 4 years ago
I like that Horace Mann quote. How can you say we have created a better intelligence???? No machine has any kind of intelligence, it only has a preset of possible answers given by a human mind!!!
Other than that, awesome video!!
Ashabara 4 years ago
You are an idiot. This was a terrible video and the arguments were poor.
Ghosts are proof we have a soul? HAHA.. Man, the human race is screwed.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
You are an idiot. What ghosts?
Ashabara 4 years ago
"it only has a preset of possible answers given by a human mind"
Do you realize how dumb that is? Nah, nevermind.
Don't worry about the ghost thing. I am not going to get into a discussion about spiritual crap, to be frank.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
You would have to be so damn stupid to think that machines can think.
Ashabara 4 years ago
Why? Can an amoeba think? plant? cockroach? mouse? you?
Perhaps a machine made of wires can not. But I don't see how that is relevant. I don't say that they could.
Hey make a video explaining why machines can't think. Yeah do that.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
One more good reason for AI scientists to speed up their research. I hope I can come back here and write HA! during my lifetime.
mephis 4 years ago
parody?
memblor 4 years ago
Watch the video this is in response to.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Never argue with a fool.
malducci 4 years ago
Wise indeed.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
what an idiot...because it doen't work on a man-made machine means, then it couldn't work over millions of yours in biology.
lewis3367 4 years ago
It didn't work in the biggest intelligence on earth, man. Yet it worked in... nothing? That lets you with one shitty intelligence, you can't create what nothing did, how can you trust your own intelligence?
Ashabara 4 years ago
i guess you know alot about computer science and engineering, and would like to debate this with someone who has a degree in engineering and computer science like myself. i guess you dont know that alot of the complex networks through which your video passed through are based on some of these algorithms,
stupid arguments
anybody with half a brain and understands genetic algorithms are laughing at you right now.
OHFUFI 4 years ago
DUDE!! SWEET BIBLE!!!
AtrixAlpha 4 years ago
I know! It is hard to read, but what real Christian needs to do that when you have the Holy Spirit?
DayfallKat 4 years ago
evolution takes billions of years, why are you complaining about computers not being able to do it (properly) in under an hour or so?
matieman77 4 years ago
jesus! what are you even saying? you must learn to construct a sentence in english first, then speak it, so that we may understand.
smeeghustle 4 years ago
Why everyone say I can not do speek english?
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Isn't the internet great when any arsehole can make a complete prick of themselves?
An9ila 4 years ago
What is this guy blabbing on about? People are using evolutionary logarithms in engineering to find better shapes of wings, cars, fans, blades etc to find the most efficient shapes. Does this guy have any education what so ever?
boorens18 4 years ago
actually with big enough lever and good leverage a planet could be moved. lol. physics
LDX97 4 years ago
Neither muscle or bone would hold to that kinda pressure. I was metaphorically refering to how evolution is taken way out of context.
Girrietu 4 years ago
so then Mensa, why do people from africa have dark skin and people from colder places have lighter skin? It because through their generations the pigment in their skin has released more melantin or whatever its called to help protect them from the sun. their bodys have adapted to the environment. this is living proof of evolution. Ever have a freakin suntan genius, well picture it lasting over thousands of years
LDX97 4 years ago
I can agree the creatures can adapt, but to base this on the whole universe is insane, illogical, and plainly absurd. Its like saying if a man works out enough he'll be able to lift a planet or if a sword can cut through this block of wood it must be able to cut through this wrecking-ball.. its just moronic.
Girrietu 4 years ago
Ooooh you little minx!
It seems I had my sarcasm detector turned off earlier this morning. Nicely done good sir!
themilitantatheist 4 years ago
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. No idea.
Genetic algorithms and genetic programming have produced things that are better than any human-designed equivalent. I can give you complete references if it will change your mind.
themilitantatheist 4 years ago
I have a very good idea of what I am talking about, which is what made the video so hard to make.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
One-starred it before I realized what you were doing. My apologies.
ianw115 4 years ago
Haha, That's ok.
I like your favorites. I haven't seen some of them.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
the 2 web sites are inspired by the books of the same autor Harun Yahya
u could find his ALL books n other works here (free download)..
harunyahya . com
bbahi2 4 years ago
Is this the place there Muslims go to jerk off to their god. You have to serioulsy messed up in the head if you think those arguments will convince anyone? Ok, anyone that doesn't have mental problems also.
That entire site is just so you can say "Look at all the scientific proof of Allah. Atheists must be intentionally blind to not see that (flowers, the blue sky, etc.. ) prove Allah."
I will be showing this to all the Christian creationists I know.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
evolutiondocumentary . com
The documentary film you will watch in this site reveals that the theory of evolution is being refuted by the findings of the modern science. You will see that the origin of our lives is not evolution, but Divine creation. And this is a fact which is also supported by overwhelming scientific evidence.
bbahi2 4 years ago
evolutiondocumentary is deceitful. It has way to many problems. Thanks for calling my attention to it.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
u're welcome !
evolutiondeceit . com
bbahi2 4 years ago
It was easy to find the same mistakes that the first site had. I have a feeling these people know of their errors but would have little if they didn't use them. So, it is fitting they have "deceit" in their domain name.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
harunyahya . com
must see!
bbahi2 4 years ago
no, if every planet was made randomly, then why are they all the same shape? why is the earth
1) perfect distance from the sun for life
2) Has amtospheric and ozone layer for life
3) Only planet with water for life.
and dont let me get started with the mechanics of universal movement. all random i guess?
dont block me cuz i make excellent points...
soheebagain 4 years ago
"To illustrate the vain conceit that the universe must be somehow pre-ordained for us, because we are so well-suited to live in it, he [Adams] mimed a wonderfully funny imitation of a puddle of water, fitting itself snugly into a depression in the ground, the depression uncannily being exactly the same shape as the puddle." -- Richard Dawkins
And you have now made your "excllent points". I ask that you leave your amazing proofs of Allah somewhere else.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
"The accidental perfection of this Universe is greater than anything made on purpose"
Find me a planet, or star that isnt a sphere. Explain to me how gravity is perfectly designed to make the universe come together without conflict, and how the earth is perfectly designed to sustain life.
soheeb16 4 years ago
Everyone knows that round planets are proof of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh). For if she didn't exist then planets would be square.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
Er.. planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it. With its large body and internal heating from radioactive elements, a planet behaves like a fluid, and over long periods of time succumbs to the gravitational pull from its center of gravity. Simple stuff
anthonylodge 4 years ago
How else should the world be designed? If anything were different you would say "look at that! that is the way it is, that works, it must be more fit than any other possiblity!"
what about the billions of other planets that sustain nothing but gas and rock?
evolutionary algortihms are a set of algorithms that vary candidate programs, those that are more fit for that task are promoted, the less fit instances are discarded. this is the basic idea as i understand it.
beholdcharlemagne 4 years ago
oh, my bad. I get it now. But so you ARE kidding in the beginning, with the bible verse. That's what I was asking, man.
domokato 4 years ago
OMG, I forgot I said that. That is so funny. But, honestly, I don't know if I was being funny, just forgot, or was being deep.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
you're kidding, right?
domokato 4 years ago
I am doing the best I can. You try to argue against evolution and see how well you do.
DayfallKat 4 years ago
I would fail just like you did if i argue against evolution.
cryolophosaur 4 years ago
The fact that your computer simulation failed does not disprove evolution, if anything it proves that your computer simulation is worthless. Try using a better program, one that takes "real data"(REALITY) from the fossil record...Oh wait, this has already been done, it is called Cladistics, look in to it!
cryolophosaur 4 years ago
ur gay..... God created the earth, not ur mom and fossils...hehehehehehe
RussianCuzzins 4 years ago
I could program a computer so that 3 would be equal to 2 therefore 2 + 3 would be 4. Computers aren't always accurate as it is man who has to imput the data.
A tiny little bible, just like your brain.
cujo1rossi 4 years ago