Red Gold: The Pebble Mine Debate. Bristol Bay, AK

[museken]

My god. Your all looking in the wrong direction. ARE YOU AN AMERICAN?. Do you work for an American company?. Well this company that wants to mine OUR resources is foreign owned. This is our land owned by the people for the people. If Your a powerful American company who does mine, who the fuck are these clowns to come to our USA country and steal OUR resources. This Companys not making jobs for American people they bring there own in. My God Democrat or Republican, This is your home. Who r they

[hardrock272]

Keep the fish and resources. y not it can b done that's slot of dead fish in your smoker

[JessePinkmanYo]

Guess what? do you like electricity, lights, modern society. it takes copper for modern society to run. I suggest if you oppose this mine you shouldn't use any copper at all, you'd better sell all your gold too, oh yeah and turn your back on the economic system. People need money to live, I didn't make the rules but, The pebble deposit will bring BILLIONS to the local native community

OPPOSE HAARP NOT PEBBLE- HAARP WILL DESTROY THE WORLD

[georgeegger]

Say no to the Pebble Mine and protect Bristol Bay! This land is priceless and we

must do all we can to protect it from short sighted greed! It's time for once that

humans think about the long haul. And leave something as our creator intended.

[wayupstream1]

luck can be a deciding factor. fingers crossed.

[pattycrack]

yeah its a bad idea..so how you gonna stop a gold rush? good luck.

[wayupstream1]

sounds like a good idea. let me know how the social studies class debate goes.

[bow2chuckanorris]

im just a twelve year old, even i can see through this "pebble mine" Bullshit. im bringing it up in my social studies class for a debate

[6970Usermik]

either you get a (although the corporations take a whole lot more than you) big buck and don't earn any more than that, or you do NOT get that nice raise and keep earning some money - basic math here, i think i'll go with the nice, constant income rather than a rip - off oversized PFD. ima native american too and mines like these that threaten our cultures just for the extra paper for the people who already have overweight wallets won't just waltz into alaska without opposition.

[teamk4]

Just got done watching the Red Gold Documentary....very sad the dollars and cents could out weight one of the last great fishing lands in the world. I am not an avid fisherman but I know the value of fishing on more than the monetary level. DON"T let them mine!!! At all cost stop this.

[ClearCut83]

Good stuff! I have copyright permission and have received the High Definition trailer from Travis of Felt Soul Media. Come take a look in hd!

[05Dubb]

im from Bristol Bay.....

And what im saying we need to keep fighting we could get the pebble mine outta Bristol somehow

[warburgella]

Lovely photography and certainly interesting, but a repetitive, long-winded movie, replete with numerous errors of fact. Too bad. Every one of the individuals profiled in the movie depends on copper in some way. Where will it come from, if not a mine, somewhere? Fortunately the US has amongst the toughest environmental laws in the world, and if a mine does go in, it should be held to those laws.

[6970Usermik]

@warburgella the last thing we native americans need are more mines that KOs our cultures just for the extra paper in the gigantic wallets of the major corporations that can easily out do any yo mama joke. and yes, our copper demands may be higher than your house but think about the other wildlife for once, ever since humans dominated the planet we cared less for other animals that tried to share this planet with us and let them bite the dust you're still hoping to mine.

[benefit44]

We (the broke ass fishermen) wouldn't be broke if the fucking processors didn't screw us over every year. They can afford to pay us at least a buck a pound, but no they're paying us 68 cents. Fuck this pebble mine bullshit. It shouldn't even be a debate. I live in oregon and we fucked up the Columbia river doing the same type of bullshit. Fuck the mine.

[Carlimongrel1910]

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[redsalmo76]

The test drilling (without permits I might add) is already doing enough damage.

google ak trecking and find the test site photos, see for yourself, and extrapolate..

Vote YES on Ballot Measure 4

[metallogeny]

This is a lie!

All mechanized activities are fully permitted and reclaimed and available for public review. Because you are ignorant, you must resort to fabrication and extrapolation.

[6970Usermik]

@metallogeny basic math here: a renewable resource which us natives survived on for a good 10,000 years or the destruction the resource for a one-time PFD. *one century later* - yeah i'll go with the salmon run that bristol bay is known for

[metallogeny]

@6970Usermik: Us natives will continue to subsist on salmon while learning valuable skills and being granted remarkable opportunities to take these skills anywhere in the world -- or here. It was an American driller who drilled that hole to rescue the Chilean miners. There is no evidence that a Pebble Mine will negatively impact the salmon population of Bristol Bay. Recent evidence suggest that the opposite will happen -- where Red Dog, Fort Knox, and Pogo have improved the local fish habitat.

[troutman222]

@metallogeny if you honestly believe that then you're totally and utterly moronic

[metallogeny]

There will be no CN- in the tailings pond. All Cn- leachate is recycled and any discharge is neutralized with CaO. Same thing at Ft. Knox where recycle pond is number one recruitment hatchery for Grayling in Chena River drainage. Ft. Knox contributes over $200M annually to the state and local economy. Pebble will be several times this. When Pebble goes, it will contribute significantly more revenue to the state than Bristol Bay fishery. Plus good paying yearround jobs. Mining/fishing together.

[ZSparkman]

Oh, so you mean to say that you don't believe that this Northern Dynasties will finish its business here, Possibly causing major damage, and then hide behind the government of Canada, forcing taxpayers to cover the expenses of cleanup, like many mines owned by foreign countries have done before it?

[metallogeny]

Who knows? That's why we have regulatory oversight and enforcement. Fisherman have done the same thing to their own fisheries. It is an indisputable fact that commercial fisherman slaughter millions of fish every year and that they have destroyed entire fisheries by their greed. Can you name one fishery in Alaska that has been negatively impacted by mining? Cominco (Red Dog) and Kinross (Ft. Knox) have factually improved downstream fish habitat. Fishing and mining together is the answer.

[ZSparkman]

We've been very lucky in Alaska that we haven't had any accidents with mines. The reason that I'm concerned about this particular mine is that Northern Dynasties is owned by some of the same people that caused Montana's Zortman-Landusky open-pit mine fiasco.

[pukaman2000]

There is a difference and a vicious cycle here. First the Corporation makes promises, then with the permits, they start, then when they make profit they invest it in DEREGULATION lobbying rather than ENVIRONMENT. You fail to say that those same resources will be there tomorrow... so there is no rush to get them... they will be there. Now people pay big money to live in UNCONTAMINATED places like Hawaii. Not because they are fancy, because they are pure.

[metallogeny]

Hawaii is hardly uncontaminated. Hawaii is 100% dependent on minerals and 100% dependent on someone else, far away to produce these minerals for them. Hawaii's number one product are tourist trinkets. Hawaii's number one export is pakalolo. Hawaii is a playground for corporate chiefs. This is no record to be proud of.

[pukaman2000]

Oh, the mineral part is quite true. The contamination comes from the "industry" that we are talking about, and this film is wanting to stop. Hawaii does have some exports, such as fish (Large fish farms off the coast that nobody talks about) Water (distilled deep salt water is a hit in Japan) Algee (spirilina) and tourism. The tourism is not to come and see a metropolis, but to enjoy nature and the waves. Pakalolo is a money crop anywhere, even Alaska. You lose your land if you are caught.

[skinnychef]

hiya!

pebble mine must be stopped! it is an issue that affects everyone! these canadian mining companies are unscrupulous and determined. look at the uranium issue in South Dakota and Nebraska too!

[stinkalick]

if they do come and mine this area theres gonna be some problems because we are not going without a fight  fuck dynasty and what they beleive there killers and money mongers

[heat1974]

Metallogeny-

Why don't you go and do some research before opening your ignorant mouth. Northern Dynasty is the largest polluter in Colorado. If they can't run an environmentally friendly mine in CO now, what makes you think they can do it in Bristol Bay tomorrow?

[metallogeny]

Northern Dynasty does not mine in Colorado. The people of Colorado are factually, the largest polluters in Colorado.

[biddlebones]

Please tell me someone knows the music to this trailer. It fits so well. Put a stop to Northern Dynasty!

[biddlebones]

Pleas tell me someone knows the music in this trailer. it fits perfectly. Put a stop to Northern Dynasty!

[dickhouse09]

what was the song?

[metallogeny]

NewsFlash!!! - You can have both. In fact, life has proven that you must have both. The greatest threat to the salmon are the fisherman themselves. They kill millions every year! Ohhhh, the icthymanity!!!

[bntbs1721]

You make zero sense. Must have both??? Please do some research before you speak. The Bristol Bay fishing fleet is extremely vital to the fish itself. If those millions of fish were not caught the rivers would become exptremely overpopulated and would cause large die outs which would in turn hurt many other species of animals and thousands of people who rely on the fishery to live. Putting a needless mine near the river could have the same effect, while simply getting a few canadian pricks rich.

[metallogeny]

It's unfortunate that you slept through your biology class. Your theory regarding anadromous species is grossly uninformed. You need the mine. What are you banging your e-mails out on? How many salmon have you eaten in the last year? My point is that there is every reason to believe that Bristol Bay can have a thriving fishery (assuming people like you will eat the product) and a wealth producing mining industry (safe to say you will continue to consume metals)paying workers an average $80,000.

[masondingo]

You don't need the mine, and a species like salmon can be wiped out by toxic mine tailings; poisoning such massive spawning grounds as Bristol Bay. Maybe you should have payed attention in biology class, as well as Economics 101. If the fish are dead, the fishery can no longer thrive, which means the commercial fishing, sport fishing, and hospitality industry is gone. Mining jobs created will not match the current jobs lost. By the way, there is a great new-fangled source for metals...Recycling.

[metallogeny]

I'm sorry, but you don't know enough about CN- and HS- chemistry nor marine biology to talk to me about this. There will be no jobs lost. The net effect will be a huge increase in sportfishing and tourism if the mine goes into production. Look at all the other mining towns with well established industries post-mining: San Francisco, Vancouver, Fairbanks, Reno, Butte, Telluride, Los Angeles (oil), etc. Your argument fails your thesis. Recyclingisgood. Can you commit to using only recycled metals?

[masondingo]

Correct, I am not a marine biologist, but as a geologist, I am well aware of the environmental dangers that mining produces, including the highly toxic cyanide and hydrogen sulfide that you mention. Poor mining practices have contributed to irreversible damages in Appalachia, Montana, and elsewhere around the world. And your logic has a gap, you've neglected to realize the simple fact that it takes fish to support a sportfishing industry. Unsupported verbiage only weakens your argument.

[metallogeny]

I am a pro-geologist w/25 yrs in AK. We do not use poor mining practices, only best practices. Invalid to compare Appalachia coal mining to Alaska. There is no evidence of AMD from 100s of old mines in AK. Kennecot Mine dumped MTs waste directly into Copper River, yet world class fishing today. You make a giant leap in assuming that one mine will kill all fish in Bristol Bay. The state of Alaska has reams of "verbiage" to support the mine. It is the anti-mining crowd that is fear-mongering.

[masondingo]

Apparently all the "best" mining practices have earned the mining industry a prestigious top finish on the EPA's list of Industrial Polluters. Whether Coal or Hardrock, bad mining is bad mining. After the mine has completed it's lifespan and big business has filled it's pockets by raping the countryside, often the U.S. taxpayer is left with the cleanup. Take note that the remnants of hardrock mining in Butte is currently costing over $100 million, more than 100 years after the mines were built.

[metallogeny]

You've almost got it. Butte was 100 years ago. Much has developed since. Both Red Dog and Ft. Knox have significantly improved the fisheries of surrounding streams. Well documented by AK Fish and Game. There is no reason that Pebble couldn't do the same. EPA has defined any waste-rock, AMD generating or not as a "toxic dishcarge". Your garden & your local gravel pit also qualify as a toxic discharge under this definition. It is just words with no real meaning. Arbitrary? Yes. Capricious? Yes.

[ZSparkman]

Northern Dynasty is run by some of the same people that owned the Zortman-Landusky mine in Montana, and we all remember how that turned out. The proposed pebble mine would operate in the same way, and regardless of who is running the mine I don't like the idea of a dammed-up cesspool of cyanide threatining any part of our fishing industry. The mining industry is only attributed to 1.5% of the state of Alaska's annual, it is dwarved by the fishing and oil industries.

[jason23296]

I live in Johnstown,pa and there were alot of steelmills and there was a coal mine across the street and they all left in the 70's and to this day the rivers and creeks are stained brown and orange from sulfur and other chemicals . The conmaugh river flows less than a mile from my house and I've never seen anyfish there my whole life. people say it's because the chemical drive the fish away because it causes them pain to breath the water.

[metallogeny]

There are a lot of problems associated with the old mills and mines. This is what led to the passage of the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, and Wetlands Act, and Endangered Species Act. There is a world of difference between the mining practices of the 1960s and of today. Alaska has a stellar record for regulatory oversight and enforcement. I say that we can have both fish and minerals, further, I say that we MUST have both fish and minerals. We can't fish without the minerals and fuel.

[HVAC25000]

What a freaking amazing video.

And the choice in music, fantastic.

Now I'm off to learn more and get involved.

[tarpon68]

What was the music? It was great! Anyone know?

[vernstor]

GREAT JOB! As someone who has lived in the bay for 18 years and still depend on the rich fishery resource we are so blessed to have, I want to thank you very much for this, I will share it as much as I can. Bristol Bay FOREVER!

[yuhina]

We need these documentary films...

Thank you!