Climate-Gate - Michael Coren with Lord Christopher Monckton part 3 of 5

[scoobydoobytoob]

Excellent!

[marvinc999]

Monckton is great, of course (unless you're one of Gore's Greenshirts), even though not a 'scientist'.

But there are OTHER 'sceptics' worth reading (for the literate, that is), such as:

Dick Lindzen, Nils Axel Morner, Ed Wegman, Bob Carter, Chris Landsea, Paul Reiter, Hendrik Tennekes.

And - unlike Big Al - they know how to read a graph !

Computer geeks can't even model an 8-runner horserace to find winners. And yet you believe they can 'model' the global climate ?

C'mon......!

[verysillypenguin]

This is unreal to me. I'm at university studying politics however I have friends in environmental science. I'm betting they would devoutly claim (based on what their taught I'm assuming) that gobal-warming is real and regurgitate some of the data shown here by Monckton to be horribly misconstrued. Gotta love politics.

[marvinc999]

@verysillypenguin

Studying Politics, eh ? Then you'll find that much of what you're taught (or persuaded to read) IS 'unreal', I fear - in comparison to WHAT's really going on, and WHY.

I've yet to meet a Politics lecturer that didn't have his own little 'agenda'. Whatever you may think of him as a person, Monckton is a great role model for the Intelligent Sceptic.

I just hope that the 'experts' at Uni tell you as much about the Puppet-Masters as the Puppets.

Good luck !

[verysillypenguin]

@marvinc999 thanks, actually Monckton has nothing to do with what i'm studying at the moment but i just found it interesting. I believe some of the stuff he says about gore because i think they are both political extremes. At the end of the day though he's full of it.

[marvinc999]

@verysillypenguin

The essential difference between the two:

a) Monckton is HAPPY to debate with ANYONE. Gore is TERRIFIED of debating with anyone.

b) Monckton says "DON'T listen to ME - check the FACTS for yourself" Gore says "LISTEN to me - the Science is SETTLED"

c) Monckton is brilliant - and demonstrates it. Gore is a mediocrity - and disguises it.

Who'd make the better guide ?

Self-confidence is no sin. Except to the insecure... and the mean-of-spirit !

[verysillypenguin]

@marvinc999 yeah it's good he tells you not to take his word for it but he tries too hard for credibility . the pink logo he uses is just silly but other than that theres a lot other holes in his game. smart man but he has a journalism degree and not many people would take him very seriously. the thing is gore doesn't need to debate this guy. he was a scientific advisor with a degree in journalism. if he was spouting this stuff off in public service clearly no one listened.

[NikovK]

@verysillypenguin Unfortunately this is all ad hominem. If the village idiot said my house was on fire, and I assumed since he is the village idiot anything he says is nonsense, I'm going to be quite surprised to go home to a burnt-out house.

[verysillypenguin]

@marvinc999 i think, he was washed up, career hit a dead end like gore, and having being involved in politics he knew how 2 spin it. good for him i guess. got more publicity than he would have from just writing a book. moral of the story be skeptical of gore and monckton. sift through the crap spewing from both of their mouths and you'll find a couple gems but just a couple.

[shackle5]

al gore = trash

[co2isgoodal]

It's totally amazing that people still believe the global warming nonsense.

After Toto pulled away the curtain even the scarecrow didn't say,

"Hey, where's the wizard?...the Wizard is still real and you better beieve it. I have scientific proof from the horse of a diffrent colour and 2400 flying monkeys!"

[ranger082469]

i have the answer the definate answer to stop global warming. Are you ready hum do you really want to know the answer. You want the truth. You cant handle the truth. LOL im soory just had to say that. Pass a global law to stop all volcanic erruptions because they produce an unmeasurable amount of carbon dioxide what kind of footprint does that cause lol

[KingDingaLing090]

"although winter seems to be an apt term in the 21rst century"

Please elaborate gums.... You are a funny lookin target for me.

: )>) (Thats one of my teeth.)

[RasPesher]

DingaLing

Just a few tips:

-You should cut and paste, you'd make less errors that way.

-Also your graphics are not working.

[KingDingaLing090]

Raspesher- You are watching your religion crumble and you are desperately holding on to the last fibers of its existence.

Lol

[auggiedoggy]

@KingDingaLing: Yes, the Global Warming proponents can't explain the cooling trend so they resort to drastic measures (fudged data). There have been many warming and cooling periods in earth's history. If the GW crowd were correct about the polar bear extinction (a favourite topic they like to drag out) due to global warming, this extinction would have happened already in a previous warming cycle. Guess what? We still have polar bears!!!

[RasPesher]

Do you really think that a "warming period" in the precambrian could have wiped out the Polar Bears? Polar bears only evolved relatively recently.

Alternatively you may have unearthed evidence that super-warm periods, sufficient warm to melt all polar sea ice, in much more recent times are mythical.

[shadow1dak]

I would love to see Monckton and Gore debate and see just who has the facts and real proof. Each gets to bring two scientist friends to back up there models. Who can make that happen?

[RasPesher]

There was a debate last week on the ABC between Plimer and Monbiot. Plimer a climate skeptic against Monbiot a science reporter. You can google it and listen for yourself. Google:

"Plimer, Monbiot cross swords in climate debate"

... and you'll find it.

In my opinion Plimer got creamed. Plimer came across as a real, died-in-the-wool, will-say-anything-however-fals­e denialist. One blog comment summed up the debate fairly well:

"Plimer, career over!"

[auggiedoggy]

@shadow1dak: Monckton would eat Gore alive. I'd love to watch it but such a debate will never happen. Gore is afraid to debate Monckton.

[RasPesher]

Monckton is a poor feeble old man!

Apparently an email was sent from Lord Monckton's email address to his wiki page claiming that he was payed 50,000 pounds in damages by the Guardian for an article written by Monbiot. The claim in the email was false. Monbiot then asked Monckton about the source of the false email. Monckton wrote to the Guardian asking that they not ask him any questions because of his "grave ill-health". Either Monckton is feining ill-health or he's too sick to debate.

[auggiedoggy]

Monckton is up to debating anyone from the pro-GW crowd but they refuse to debate him. I can understand why Gore won't because he would get fried.

[RasPesher]

[Monckton is up to debating]

auggie, so your implying that Monckton is not being honest when he used the excuse that he had "grave ill-health"; so he's feining it. Monckton also wrote to some US senators claiming to be a member of the House of Lords. Is he feining that too?

[auggiedoggy]

@RasPesher: You're reading too much into it. I simply meant that Monckton is up to it in terms of knowing the subject. He is not afraid to debate anybody from the pro-GW side.

[nzapanda]

I read somones comment about land ice melting causing sea levels to rise. I'd like this person to do an experiment.

Fill up a bowl halfway with water. Fill up the other half with Ice. Measure where the water line is to the bowl of water. Allow the ice to melt. Remeasure where the water line is.

Fact: When H2O is in liquid form, it contracts. When H2O freezes, it expands.

Experiment: Fill up a water bottle with water. Place in freezer. Check back when water in bottle is frozen.

[RasPesher]

nzapanda, Your obviously confusing land ice with sea ice. When land ice melts and runs into the water, it raises the water level. Putting ice cubes in water is not going to tell you anything about this.

If you are actually interested in melting sea ice; the answer is absolutely nothing. No change in level will be observed. That is because the ice floats, displacing exactly the same amount of water volume it would fill, if it was in its liquid state. So the sea level remains the same.

[oicub2]

Take a Cup, Call it Earth

Put in some water, call that the ocean.

nuke it, call that Global warming.

Now take the cup of hot water and splash it in your face, call that the public misinformation system.

[manosblim]

more power too you !!!!  stop the eco nazis !

[OneManAndHisFiction]

See Professor Bob Carter's presentation here on youtube too. - It's called "Climate Change - Is CO2 the cause?".

It supports what Christopher Monkton is saying, with detail on the specifics and how the measurements are made and how they have been manipulated - some purposely, some inadvertently.

[sadol11]

This man is a great speaker

[dookie2kie]

It is an interesting interview and I would be a supporter that climate change is occuring!!

It is interesting listening to both sides of the debate But im just wondering what do we do as a species when fossil fuels do run out!!

If climate change is occurring or not doesnt really matter if cars cannot run or houses cannot be heated by electricity generation!!

Ppl seem to take great pride in announcing which "side" they are on. But were all in the same boat together when oil stocks run out!!

[jiminiflix]

Hi,

I don't see why that has anything to do with the point of global warming> The issue is -Is man causing it or not and is it as serious as the media are saying. I don't think so. In terms of fossil fuels, the earth has more than we are told. Peak oil is the issue (the amount available for demand) but there is more oil than we are told. Oil scares are political and for profit more than because of limitations. I do agree we need better fuels.A NWO wants to use GW treaties to control us.

[mrhrtn88]

relax bro, we still have lots of coal to be used as energy source...

hopefully, we could obtain enhanced efficiency in photovoltaic cells by the next 30 years or so...as the largest possible energy source that we have comes from sun anyway.. only the problem is we still figuring out how to convert the energy efficiently without losing too much of it during conversion process..

[auggiedoggy]

Of course the climate is changing and will continue to change but it is solar activity and not humans (like the bedwetters claim) that is the cause. Climate change doesn't always equate to warming. There hasn't been any warming in the last 10 years and the bedwetters can't explain it, hence the fudging of the data. If anything, the temperatures have cooled slightly. So, if "global warming" continues at its current rate, I'll have to move to Florida to escape its devastation, LOL!!!

[dookie2kie]

Ah sure keep going and take no notice then!!!

The changes are different in seperate countries, people are experiencing changes at alternating rates. Its evident in my country due to our position as an island.

Dont expect everyone to accept it sure thats what makes the world go round.. different views. Everyones free to choose how they live...

Im going to keep trying my best to conserve what i love as it gives me hope that some ppl will eventually respect the land on which they live. Slán

[auggiedoggy]

So you have bought into the big lie! Your band of pro-global warming "scientists" are cooking the data. That isn't science and they have demonstrated that they have no integrity. They can't explain why there hasn't been any warming in 10 years and they are quite perplexed by this fact.

[dookie2kie]

good man, keep going,!!!

Ill do what i do, you do what you do, problem solved the world keeps going and youtube is safe from more silly little your right im right bickering!!!

Dont really care if there is a link between this and that, alls i know is i enjoy the environment thru my hobbies of fishing, hunting, shooting and horticulture and aboriculture and I see changes in the short time ive been here...

I want my kids to enjoy it (when i eventualy have em) so ill try and do what i can!!

[auggiedoggy]

The "action" you choose to take is neither required nor is it effective because if the temperatures increase or decrease, humans have no impact anyhow. Its going to happen regardless of any action the population of the world decides to undertake. The planet goes through cycles of warming and cooling and will continue to do so. If your "action" makes you feel better about yourself, then fine. It is going to benefit your own personal state of mind, which is a good thing!

[dookie2kie]

Humans have no impact.. dude, i beg to differ as a fisherman and seeing pops of fish decline due to habitat destruction.

The action i take is helping to restore rivers in my locality to enable additional trout spawning to occur thus increasing the poplulation into the future.

Planting 8,000 trees on the farm of varied species as a wind break, a future energy source as timber instead of oil and a resource to make specialised furniture and therefore a living out of!

Peace out man!<(: {) Hap Xmas

[auggiedoggy]

This video is about climate-gate. You are taking my comments out of context. I said humans have no impact on climate change. That is my point here. I'm all for decreasing pollution. Fish stocks are down due to pollution and over-fishing.

[dookie2kie]

Well either in context or out of context I have an opinion that humans from the moment they are born to the moment they die have an impact on this planet, some may call it climate change some may call it ecological footprint or carbon footprint!!

This is my opinion and people who disagree can and will and that is democracy. BUt as they say there are thinkers sayers and doers!! I delight in the joy that I possess all three traits!!

Life has potential when you have hope!!

[TheNeufin8tor]

@auggiedoggy I agree that humans have no impact on climate change. To believe that human actions cause the earth's atmosphere to deteriorate and one day become unable to support life is narcissistic, bordering on a god-complex. The earth goes through cycles, hot and cold. The Global Warming theory leads to Geo-Engineering, which leads to weather modification, which in reality is playing god.

[RasPesher]

[They can't explain why there hasn't been any warming in 10 years and they are quite perplexed by this fact]

Over the last ten years the majority of the global warming energy has gone into the oceans. No-one is perplexed other than you. It takes far more energy to heat the ocean by one degree than it does to heat the air; more energy is stored in the ocean than the atmosphere. Measure the sea level and that will tell you if the Earth is warming. It's so simple a child could understand!

[auggiedoggy]

I'm perplexed? Over what? The fact that the GW scam has been made public and that the pro-GW "scientists" can't explain the lack of warming? LOL. I'm sitting back in my easy chair laughing at the bunch of you. I'm quite enjoying this latest outcome. I see that Denmark, among other European countries, just got buried in a nasty snowfall during the climate change conference. The timing was perfect. LOL.

[RasPesher]

["scientists" can't explain the lack of warming?]

What lack? Last month we had temperatures that averaged 5.2 degrees above the mean for the whole month. The state of NSW, maximum temperature for November, recorded in 1944, was broken twice last month. You have a funny idea of global cooling.

[auggiedoggy]

How about the fact that the polar ice is increasing. That is both the northern and southern poles. The temperatures in Antarctica are cooling and that observation was made by your (Australia) own scientists. And what about those European countries that are now witnessing those record snowfalls?

[auggiedoggy]

There is a direct correlation between solar activity and global warming. There hasn't been any significant solar activity in years and guess what? No warming has occurred in years.

[RasPesher]

"No warming has occurred in years"

This is just an urban myth. The ocean is a gigantic thermometer; the sea level is rising. Its rising about 3 mm/year. Half of this rise comes from expansion of the ocean; the ocean as a whole is getting hotter. The other half of the rise is coming from glacial and Antarctic land ice melt; the land is getting hotter. You only need to take a yearly set of sea level measurements from one location to know this; no fancy modelling required.

[RasPesher]

"The temperatures in Antarctica are cooling"

Antarctica is loosing land bound ice. The run off from land bound ice is causing the water around the land to cool which is protecting the sea ice from the warmer southern ocean temperature. Yes, sea ice is increasing in area around the Antarctic. However, a massive ice block just floated past Australia about 19 km x 8 km in area, travelling northwartds from the South Pole. Slabs are breaking off and the new ice is thinner.

[auggiedoggy]

I assume you're talking about ice breaking off the Wilkins Ice Shelf? When ice melts, it melts from the edges towards the center. Blaming the clean fractures of 200 metres thick ice on warming and melting is quite a long shot. I've read that that there is approximately a 30% excess of sea ice there. Sorry, I don't buy it and neither do many scientists.

[RasPesher]

auggie, As for your claim that the northern ice sheet is growing, it's basically bunk.

In 1980 the perennial sea ice filled approx. 60% of the Arctic region, today it fills only about 30%; that's a fall of about 10% per decade. You'll get a variation from year to year but the overall trend is clear. So stay seated in your easy chair, and drink that "Kool-Aid".

[goisles]

@RasPesher

Are you in the crowd that cherry picks it's data? And tries to use individual weekly / monthly data when it suits your side? Most AGW believers that I know tell me that "Climatology isn't about individual numbers" when I bring up the fact that there was record cold last year here on the Gulf Coast and even snowed in New Orleans. But, I guess it doesn't matter where the numbers came from, what the sources were, and the timetable of the data-set if it suits your arguement.

[RasPesher]

@goisles

When you had a "record cold last year" on the Gulf Coast, we, in Australia, had record highs in the southern half of the continent. The highs of last summer have been followed up with record highs again in Australia. I realise that this is anecdotal, but I also gave information that was world wide and covered the 10 year period through which we allegedly had "global cooling". "Global cooling" is a myth.

[auggiedoggy]

Let's for the sake of argument say that global warming is taking place right now. What do you expect to do about it? Solar activity has a direct correlation to global warming. This has been observed by climatologists. Another observation is that CO2 follows warming! That means CO2 isn't the cause nor are humans. Global warming and cooling will occur whether humans populate the planet or not.

[RasPesher]

[Solar activity has a direct correlation to global warming]

We have been in a period of low sun spot activity, yet we still have global warming. We should have expected to be in a cool period, but we're not. This leads to the conclusion, that CO2 is the likely cause.

[RasPesher]

When it comes to global warming, measuring the sea level is particularly effective because it is the accumulation of the expansion of every drop of water in the ocean and at every point in the ocean and at every depth in the ocean. Its like having a zillion thermometers located around the Earth with each temperature being added and averaged automatically. Who needs a super computer when you've got the sea.

[KingDingaLing090]

Thats funny how you say that because the sea level is NOT rising.

hahaha....

Dont take my word for go read "Claim That Sea Level is Rising is a Total Fraud" an article written by Dr. Nils Axel Morner the worlds top sea level specialist that has been studying the sea level for 35 years.

[RasPesher]

When I saw the name Dr. Nils Axel Morner, I wondered if he'd used his dowsing rod to measure sea level. But no, he used a satelite instead! Why won't he take up the million dollar challenge with respect to his theory on dowsing. James Randi has the money waiting for him. Next you'll have a palm reader come in to read temperatures for the next hundred years. Great detective work, KingDingaLing. I really don't know whether to take you seriously or not.

[KingDingaLing090]

HAHAHA... What are your credentials RasPesher. You are a JOKE.

And he used the difference between 2 bodies of land one rising and one sinking. You might know many things if you knew anymore than what you just learned with one wikipedia search. I think its hysterical that you think YOU can discredit him by his support for dowsing HAAHAH... : D

This is good tell me more... How much the sea rise in the last 3 years?? And include your source

So I can laugh in your face

A SOURCE KAY??

[RasPesher]

But let's take Morner's claim seriously. He claims that the average sea level rise prior to the year 2000 was 1 mm/year.

That is not that different from the following report (post IPC4 AR4 Update):

"The average rate of sea-level rise

from 1961 to 2003 was 1.8 mm/year

and increased to 3.1 mm/year from

1993 to 2003."

Take out the figures, post 2000 from this report and you'd end up with a similar figure to that of Morner. Since 2000 the increase in level has been above 3mm/year.

[KingDingaLing090]

I ASKED you HOW much the sea has RISEN IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

And I WANT A SOURCE.

Come on... Im still going to laugh either way and you will look like an idiot but , just make it more interesting for us.

HOW MUCH HAS THE SEA RISEN IN THE LAST THREEE YEARS.

Include a source.

[RasPesher]

Sea level rise (June 08 - 09): Sydney +0.1 mm Melbourne +0.7 mm Adelaide +0.5 mm Esperance +0.8 mm Perth +0.6 mm Broome +0.2 mm Darwin +0.4 mm Gulf of Capentaria +0.9 mm Cairns +0.3 mm Brisbane +0.2 mm These figures have been adjusted for geological sea floor movement and for barametric pressure. Data from Australian National Tidal Centre as referenced on ABC Podcast - Future Tense 2009-11-19

[KingDingaLing090]

You went to all that trouble to give me a PODCAST???

Oh MY God.

Psychopath alert.

Thats the best you can come up with?

A podcast. O_o

Really.... A podcast???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!@ RasPesher AAAHAHAHA!!!

I think your podcaster forgot that there is only 1 sea level.

[RasPesher]

Sea Level Rise over 18 year period: Sydney +1.9 mm/yr Melbourne +2.4 mm/yr Adelaide +5.1 mm/yr Esperance +5.3 mm/yr Perth +8.6 mm/yr Broome +8.1 mm/yr Darwin +7.5 mm/yr Gulf of Capentaria +7.5 mm/yr Cairns +2.8 mm/yr Brisbane +1.5 mm/yr The net relative sea level trend in mm/year after subtracting the effects of the vertical movement of the platform and the inverse barometric pressure effect utilising all the data collected since the start of the project up to the end of June 2009.

[RasPesher]

[You went to all that trouble to give me a PODCAST]

No - The Data in the report was prepared by the National Tidal Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology. The podcast gave a description of who the body was, and how they collected the data. I listed the podcast/radio programme for background information; not the data set.

[RasPesher]

KingDingaLing said:

[I think your podcaster forgot that there is only 1 sea level]

As water level is added not all ships rise at the same rate. When water melts at the poles it is likely to end up closer to the equator due to the effect of the Sun and the Moon. Ocean currents also effect the sea level differently in different locations.

I hope this helps fill your knowledge gap. I'm still struggling to know whether to take you seriously or not; could someone really be this stupid?

[RasPesher]

Cont...

KingDingaLing

Half fill a cup with water and put a line on the cup representing the water level. Pour some more water into the cup. Mark it with another line. This does not mean that we have more than one water level, what it means is that the water level has CHANGED due to the addition of water.

I hope this helps.

[KingDingaLing090]

They are funded by the Greenhouse Climate Change Research Program.

They exist solely to provide a basis for the UN carbon tax and all they can come up with is a fraction of millimetre?

.1mm in Sydney???

Thats like the size of a strand of hair.

What is wrong with you man?? Do you really think 1.9 mm in 18 years is a problem?

Maybe in ten thousand years if we kept warming at the rate we were warming a decade ago might be a problem

Thanks for proving my point. Seriously I mean it

[RasPesher]

[What is wrong with you man?? Do you really think 1.9 mm in 18 years is a problem?]

1.9 mm/yr x 18 yrs does not equal 1.9 mm.

May I suggest that you re-enrole at school... about 2nd or 3rd grade level should do. But then again I'm basing this level on what you don't know, rather than, what you do know. Do you think that you'd be able to match it with 7 & 8 year olds?

[KingDingaLing090]

There was a total of 8 inches of a rise in sea level over the last 100 years and there hasnt been a statistically significant rise in three years.

Just ask yourself. Raspesher.

.1 MILLIMETRE???

Face it shmuck there is no sea level rise, and the level that it did rise was not because of man. If it were a result of CO2 then it would still be rising because we have released more co2 than ever in the past three years.

Therefore its NOT MAN MADE. Get it shmuck?

[RasPesher]

Global warming is a trend; a trend that has yielded an increase of about 0.6 C world wide and about 1 C in Australia.. The weather varies from year to year fluctuating by more than 0.6 C. It should not surprise us then that some years will only have modest increases in temperature. The figures I gave demonstrated that we are not in a cooling cycle. Your objection is that the sea level has risen only slightly in the last year. This does not prove that there is global cooling over the last 10 yrs?

[RasPesher]

Cont..

What you have attempted to do, is to create a strawman arguement, by changing my claim which was over a ten year period to that of a three year period.

Nice try. A 3 yr period tells us very little about longer term trends. Given any year, there is a slightly less that 50% chance that the next year will be colder, and a slightly greater than 50% chance that it will be hotter. Finding a year where the increase in sea level is low should not be a surprise.

[RasPesher]

[8 inches of a rise in sea level over the last 100 years]

There has been a 6 inch rise in sea level near Perth over the last 18 years. That is a much faster rate than 8" over 100 yrs. So maybe there is something to the concerns that people have with respect to Global warming. It's been estimated that, without an atmosphere, the temperature on the Earth's surface would be on average -18 C. It isn't; conclusion, the atmosphere has an effect on holding the heat from the Sun (or other source) in.

[RasPesher]

Cont..

There is an online calculator for the surface temperature of a planet. I used the following parameters:

Star Size = 1 (1 = Size of the Sun)

Planet size = 1 (1 = size of the Earth)

bond Albedo = 37 *

greenhouse effect = 0

Calculated surface Temperature = -18 C

Note 1 Bond Albedo for the Earth with atmosphere 29

Note 2 Bond albedo for Ice is 50

Note 3 A Bond albedo of 37 is between the albedo of the earth with an atmosphere and that of the Earth covered in Ice.

[RasPesher]

To find the program I googled:

"calculating planet temperatures without atmosphere"

The calculator is called "Temperature1"

Try it yourself.

[KingDingaLing090]

IT proves nothing.

The numbers you quoted can not be trusted because they are working for the Greenhouse Climate Change Project, they exist merely to produce those numbers and they fluctuate betweern ONLY PLUS .1 and .7 millimetres, NEVER MINUS .1 millimetre? That is because the numbers are FAKE. They get idiots like you thinking +.1millimetre proves global warming.

Wake up you idiot.

[RasPesher]

KingDingaLing, so if the facts don't fit your hypothetical ideas, you throw the facts out and retain a hypothetical. Now that is the definition of a religion.

Personally I go to the beach on Sundays. And I've started going through winter as well; although winter hardly seems to be an apt term in the 21st century.

So rather than relying on a national measurement agency, you'd prefer to use a dowsing rod and Madam Fu Fu's Ouija board!

[KingDingaLing090]

DUUURRRRR +.1 MILLIMETRE PROVES GLOBAL WAMING!!!!"

DUuuurrrrr yeah the rise was always be POSITIVE, ..... DUUUUURRR

We must stop the millimetre rise if it lkills billions!!!

Because we are afraid of SHARKS!!! Yeah!!

DUUUUUUUUUURRRRR$RRR

[RasPesher]

Have you been drinking again?

[acidgawd999]

@KingDingaLing090

Please get sterilized.

[KingDingaLing090]

@acidgawd999 Shoo faggot.

[RasPesher]

[NEVER MINUS]

If we look at the UK Hadcrut3 global temperature analysis we do find years for which the figure are negative. 1985 was the last year for which the yearly anomaly was negative. In 1994 February's monthly anomaly was negative; the last month for which a temperature anomaly went negative.

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason that the temperature anomalies never go "minus" is because the accumulated background global warming now exceeds the fluctuations.

[Kenzofeis]

@RasPesher

Is introduction of sediment materials, salts etc. taken into the consideration, also increase in gases in the water due to more and more of the earth being covered in biomass, more erosion, more food for life in the sea (more "dung") etc?

Is deformations of the Earths crust taken into consideration?

[RasPesher]

The Earth's crust floats on the mantle, so you are correct to have concerns with respect to the plasticity of the Earth.

As the land erodes, loosing sedimentary material to the sea, the land will float up by an equivalent amount and the sea floor will fall by a similar amount. So the average land height and sea floor depth will be maintained. As for deformations in the crust, yes that is compensated for.

[RasPesher]

"more and more of the earth being covered in biomass"

I think you're already wandering down the path of climate change right here. If the environment was in equilibrium we would not expect to see an increase in biomass.

[RasPesher]

Along a similar thread we know that the land in greenland and under antarctica are rising as the ice melts. This demonstrates the concept of the land/crust floating.

[Kenzofeis]

@RasPesher

"land in greenland and under antarctica are rising as the ice melts."

I have dug out old shells, softened and fragile, but still shells, from clay deposited after the ice age, at 5-10m above sea level.

It was entertaining to hold 7-9000 years old shells in my hand.

100m above present sea level there are still old shelfs which was earlier "abysses".

This still goes on.

It makes the relative sea level sink here, and rise there (other places).

[RasPesher]

I have held 400 year old shells found 15m above sea level. However this was not the result of any geological movement but the result of Human activity. The site was an aboriginal middern.

[auggiedoggy]

Ok, same old recording. We'll just have to agree to disagree because there's very little if anything we agree on.

[TheGamanic]

@auggiedoggy There has been warming though...

[auggiedoggy]

@TheGamanic : Well, a year after I made that comment I think I may retract what I said and agree with you. I see a warming trend here where I live. I still believe however that any climate change is largely the result of solar activity with human activity contributing very little. Disclaimer: These are just my personal observations.

[TheGamanic]

@auggiedoggy Fair enough

[RasPesher]

[There hasn't been any warming in the last 10 years and the bedwetters can't explain it, hence the fudging of the data]

The Earth is like a giant thermometer. When the oceans get hot, they expand; when glaciers get hot, they melt. Over the past 10 years the sea level has been rising approx 3mm/year.

auggiedoggy, it's time to wake up and change your sheets, they're wet as!

[auggiedoggy]

@RasPesher: Sorry but I'm not the bedwetter. I'm not losing an ounce of sleep over this scam therefore, no reason to be a bedwetter.

[thatstheguy07]

man. this is such a good interview.

[wheelzwheela]

In Canada the CBC "covered" climate gate... really just glossed over it, after drilling the idea that hackers stole the e-mails until it became nauseating , and used the rest of the piece to push climate change. CBC = pathetic bias "news".

[SatoBrooks]

So suggest that scientists have not thought of the radiation from the planet as it warms is ridiculous. He is so dishonest.

[JPK7777777]

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[nordtiger]

swedish media is also ignoring this...no wonder since our politicians are the spearhead in this bullshit blowing warming....

[chickenliam]

I am extremely disturbed that there is no discussion in the UK regarding Climategate. Seems that the US and Australia will need to lead the way.

[fpfleide]

There is no discussion about this in Germany either. I think this discussion is suppressed by the mainstream media.

[joejohnson043]

the US? Haven't the networks ignored Climategate for over 2 weeks and counting? Though, I guess no one reeeeally watches the networks for news anymore anyway.....

[waterfuelnow]

Theve got to stop the copenhagen treaty !! who has contacts with honest press !!

[FromDimmuLand]

Hahah Failed Presidentil candidate..Love it !! Al Goor..

[downlowfunk]

3:46 Al Gore discussion

4:15 onward Singapore government will pay to make a point. vry imptnt

[911FalseFlag]

Global Warming = Global Government = New World Order. Once a NWO is in place there is no such thing as democracy, no such thing as free speech, no such thing as freedom.

[ngonea]

@911FalseFlag - there never really has been a true one for ALL, maybe we can finally get it right? check: ratical. org/co-globalize/HAARPbg. html

Planet Earth Weapon by Rosalie Bertell, ozone,haarp,chem - mind blower!

[bkglamb]

@911FalseFlag Rev. 13:16-18

[yourtube20061]

enlightening !!

[ufewl]

I myself predicted that the earth would radiate more heat, there is a reason for it.