Oyama never did TKD. As a boy he commented that he did some Chiba which was a type of Korean grappling. What difference does it make anyway. All the arts blend over time. Train in what you like.
With a better understanding of the Martial Arts comes a greater appreciation of the history, culture and practice of the arts. If we do not have a basic understanding of our art then we could fall victim to historical revisionism (negationism). As for the native Martial Arts during 1910CE-1945CE (Mr. Oyama's childhood falls in between this time period) in what is today the Korean Peinsula, they (native Martial Arts) would have been banned by Imperial Japanese law. Osu
@nagone11 No, dude. Oyama Masutatsu never learned taekwondo. He and Choi Hong Heui, one of taekwondo's founders, learned Shotokan karate. Oyama-sosai made Kyokushin at Japan while Choi-dojunim gave the craft's name.
@6arcsn1sky Dude you better get back to your studies because clearly here your ignorance of his past shows powerfully here. MAs Oyama was Korean by birth and learned Tae Kwon do or the original called Tae Kyon!! WHen one looks at Kyokushinkai-Kan like i studied to Shodan all of the Taekwondo kicks are in there. In fact Kyokushin is Japanese Taekwondo except for the strategy. 70% hands Kyokushin, 70% feet Taekwondo. Sure Oyama knew Funakoshi and studied with him, as well as Jigoro Kano and.....
@nagone11 Oyama had already established Kyokushin in the mid 1950s. TKD's debut was in the 1960s. Choi Hong Hi tried to recruit Oyama to join his organization, but Oyama already was well established with Kyokushin and declined, as Choi did not want him to become a Japanese citizen but Oyama wanted to become Japanese. It's pretty fair to assume that due to the nature of his homeland at the time, his dedication to Japan, and his organization prior to TKD, he was not influenced by Korean MAs.
@kyokushinjarhead Mas Oyama as a kid in korea was influenced by korean martial arts teachers and Mas even said so himself. His path to kyokushin was a long one with many influences.
@nagone11 I've never seen him say that anywhere, nor has it ever been mentioned that he had trained in any Korean martial art. Do you have an actual source that you got this reference from, or is this anecdotal? At the time of the Korean MAs gaining popularity, they wanted to use Oyama as a vessel to further their growth but Oyama wanted no part of it. That's the only connection to the Korean arts Oyama had. Historically no evidence supports a link, nor does anything regarding his youth.
Mr. Oyama was born in Taisho 12nen nana getsu nijunana nichi* or July 27th1923 (*Japanese Historical Time Period). He was born in Dai Nippon Teikoku no Chosen (1910CE-1945CE) or the Imperial Japanese province of Chosen (what is today North and South Korea). The native language and culture in Chosen (Yi dynasty "Korea" 1392CE-1910CE) was replaced with Japanese language and culture even the Martial Arts were Japanese/Okinawan. Where did you get your info from? Osu
@6arcsn1sky .....As well as people like Bong Su Han and others. So Mas Oyama was well versed in the MArtial arts and studied under and got much knowledge from others before he formed his own style. Those are the facts about Mas Oyama, you have not looked into his past and you have no knowledge it seems that he was KOREAN!!!!!
@nagone11 No, the only one showing the ignorance is you. Yes, I know Oyama Masutatsu was Korean, and his original name Korean was Choi Yong Eui, but he would referred to himself as Choi Bae Dal. Oyama-sosai had never trained or heard of taekwondo since it was developed in South Korea while he was at Japan making Kyokushin. As for taekkyeon, I don't know who told you this, but that's by far the dumbest claim I've ever read because most likely, he never heard of taekkyeon.
@6arcsn1sky ..son I'm not going to debate this anymore with you. I know the deal on Mas Oyama, got a blackbelt under his system and i'm fully aware of his history. Not some chump who knows nothing of him and wants to claim and talk stupid shit. Later boy, dont have anymore time for your bullshit.
@nagone11 The only one spreading this kind of bull shit is you, not me. Funny how guys including you would deny taekwondo and even Kyokushin's origins by claiming they're native Korean crafts, but in reality, their origins came straight from karate though both were made by Korean martial artists.
@nagone11 As for taekwondo, the craft had been around since the days of the Japanese occupation. The reason those "taekwondo" kicks are in Kyokushin because both crafts came from karate. Trust me, I did my research, and you can't say that I'm ignorant to know nothing about Oyama-sosai, Kyokushin, and taekwondo.
. the wing chun practitioner must always remain under its principles and methods of combat and never enter the simple exchange of blows with rival wing chun is because the other principles that the mere fact of spending energy trading blows with the opponent, THAT IS the great problem of wing chun fights against other martial art. Where is the attack-defense simultaniedad?
Wing Chun is the most practical martial art, no doubt about it, is founded on scientific principles, the problem is that practitioners come into play the other fighter and that's a serious mistake when they fight in real fights, or fights street forget the principles of wing chun, and enter the game rival. if a good practitioner of wing chun will take on any other practitioner of any art, it soon devastate according to the principles of wing chun
The Wing Chun guy is chubby and poorly conditioned. Any fighter that chooses to be ill-prepared and unconditioned like this poor sap will lose in a competitive fight any day.
Enough on this debate it seems some people have a bias opinion on this. Hence the video is uploaded. All I can say is watch your ego. If these two nobodies signed up to this so call world champion competition, then do you feel this is a fair representative of Wing Chun? Sometimes logic is more powerful than your fist.There are plenty of vid. out there this fighting technique vs other so where do you draw the line?Logic will always overcome your ego.I'm signing out. enjoy having your final say
@chiman121 Kancho Joko Ninomiya, founder of Enshin Karate, is hardly a nobody. As for this tournament, this was first time it was hosted by the Kyokushinkai organization. Since then it has been hosted several more times and is one of the top knockdown fighting tournaments in the world.
I used to do Kyoukusin.For WC fighters and any other Kanfu fighters perhaps can't imagine how punches and kicks of Kyoukusin black belts are fast,skillful and heavy.Especially, he was world class.I think this WC fighter was wounded internal organs.No arguments need any more. Just come to nearest Kyokusin branch for fight or sparring. I'm sure within one minute your body tell you why this WC and other oppennts of Kyoukusin fell down with one punch or kick .
Wing Chun can be used in the ring as the system allows you to modify to suit your environment. But only a skillful WC fighter is knowledgeable to do this and not an amateur fighter which features in the vid. Even some WC fighters don't know that in WC there are two fighting modes. One you use to fight against multiple unskilled trouble makers on the street and the other mode you use when you up against a skillful fighter. This guy featured in the vid used the 3rd mode-"don't know much" mode.
I'm aware the vid. featuring A young Emin against William. You have a point but Emin has evolved since then and he is one of the very few who can explain the Wing Chun art better than most. I suppose that's a trade off. But this WC guy in your vid is definitely an amateur fighter (Lets use our logic here) so we better not blame the art cos this guy is not doing any justice to Wing Chun his techniques and timing are all over the place. These are the classic signs of an amateur fighter.
@kyokushinjarhead You say that but one sentence later you show your bias toward the karateaka very clearly. Perhaps you merly observing the practioners in the video but as a martial artist you must relise what statement is likely to cause debate ps those guy are considered wing chun fighters? barely its obvious they were trained in basic wing chun, but with no regard to the actual aplication or training of the techniques
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 by the way dont think i dont have respect for karate kykushin in paticular you guys fight to the wire, but dont think this means that i dont believe wing chun is not effective or else i would not train in it.
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 I never claimed Wing Chun was ineffective. It's the training methods that most Wing Chun schools use that are ineffective. That's what this video really is: a commentary on training methodology and not style vs style.
@kyokushinjarhead I relise this but i am saying this is how your comment will be interperted people always want to defend their styles so your comment might sound like an attack even though its an observation
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 Of course I have a bit of a bias for him. Joko Ninomiya is essentially a legend among the knockdown karate community. However, as the description clearly says, this is not a "style vs style" video. This is showing how a martial artist who trains like most do nowadays (one who practices forms and compliant partner drills but does not actually fight in his training) was easily defeated by a martial artist who actually does spend his time fighting and preparing to fight.
OK guys some times it's not the style of fighting but the person who wheels the art that wins the fight. If you use your logic, this Wing Chun (WC) guy is clearly an amateur fighter and not a top WC fighter. Without my echo taking over almost all Japanese MA have its origin from China. Furthermore, the Chinese/Japanese style of martial arts will have the flexibility to allow you to modify same of the techniques that will suit your gender, body frame & environment. Check out Emin Boztepe -
@kyokushinjarhead But if you think that this is good wing chun then you clearly have a selective and narrow perception. That guy is a perfect example of a martialartist who only focused on practising forms, karate's equivalent to "kata". One could practise any style he wants but unless it is applied in real combat or sparring it will be useless.That wc guy shouldn't have been there in the first place. Wing Chun is simply not for fighting in the ring! Happy new year..
kyokushinjarhead I'm aware of his birth name and him adopting the last name Oyama but I choose to call him by his chosen name from his younger years out of respect. There's a legend behind the name "BaeDal" did you know that? Also I don't think he moved to Japan just because "he wanted to be japanese" considering the discrimination goin on against koreans back then as that woul be calling him a sell out. And I never said that I believe that this wc guy would win in a real fight.
@elkapre80 If you want to show him respect, doesn't it make sense to use the name he had for over five decades rather than the one he had as a child? Oyama left Korea to join the IJA aviation school so he could fight for Japan and actually applied to be a kamikaze pilot. Read his biography sometime, you'll see he was quite inspired by the Japanese culture and was very happy being considered Japanese.
Dai Nippon Teikoku no Chosen (1910CE-1945CE) or the Imperial Japanese province of Chosen is today North & South Korea. Mr. Oyama was a subject of the Japanese Imperial Crown so he was not being a sellout he was doing his duty for his country. After WWII Mr. Oyama became a Zainichi which is a Korean (and or any other non Japanese) with legal permanent residents in Japan. As such his legal name is/was Oyama, Masutatsu.As for the fighting part, everyone has their own opinions. Osu
You could tell that the WC guy was not a good practioner at all just by watching him do chum kiu. His tan sau and bong sau sucked! And you can't just throw chain punch like that.. I got nothing against karate infact, I'm a huge fan of the kyokoshin founder Choi BaeDal. But if a good WC practioner fought an equally skilled karateka outside the ring the karateka would get creamed. And it's not about who's bigger or taller. It's a matter of understanding body mecanism and appropriate attack
@elkapre80 So you honestly believe this WC fighter could have beaten the karateka outside of the ring? Sorry, but I don't see that happening. Mas Oyama was actually born Choi Young-Eui, but when he moved to Japan he adopted the last name of the family that took him in (Oyama) and his first name, Masutatsu, is where Baedal comes from. Oyama wanted to be Japanese and considered to be Japanese, thus he abandoned his Korean roots when he left in his teens.
@MusicMasterful Too bad real fighting isn't like the movies. If it was, then there'd be people out there like Riki-Oh who could explode their opponent's heads with a single punch.
so much for that bitchass flashing. All that wingy yip man bullshit is only fit in their movies where a single china man beats dozens of japs within seconds. Thats where you see it all, that shits overrated.
man vs man and not style vs style TRUE. still talking generally or taking just average MAY BE the kyokushin fighters are the strongest and toughest in the world. they fight against every style every dojo in full contact matches and almost always win. they train very hard, CENTERED TOTALLY ON COMBAT. oyamas "surpass ur limits" philosophy make it just invincible. Be it against muay thai fighters in thailand with thai rules or kung fu or any other.
only one shita tsuki to body.kyokushin fighters train their whole body.so they can take a lot of punch without blocking and punch or kick their apponents. Osu!
@Tezcatlipoca1984 Weight's a bigger factor than height. Mike Tyson was a comparatively small guy to be a heavy weight, but he was a devastating boxer in his day.
@kyokushinjarhead Depends on the art I'd say. Can't comment on Kyokushin, but in Shotokan and Taekwondo, a foot higher means a foot longer reach (and a foot longer to build up your punch from ground up). You need weight for making sure your opponent can't simply out-muscle you from the ground in Jiujutsu
@FoieGras Sure that'll give you more reach, but weight's the bigger factor as then you can hit harder. Besides, since the WC guy was basically fighting up close and personal the whole time and he was dropped with a body shot, height wouldn't make a difference here either.
@kyokushinjarhead this is actually to the both of you, as weight does play in, so does height, however the close quarters of the fight almost negates the height factor, leaving only weight to play in, however without enough room to build up momentum in the punch the speed of WC should have prevailed, it is as the guy who posted it says, THIS wc guy trained to train, not to fight. WC was made to defend AGAINST BIGGER OPPONENTS...so technically, it was a fair fight.
The world of Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) or the World of (Karate) Karateka does not rest on the 'shoulders' of these individual fighters. To understand what aspects of an art is more effective than another art we need to approach the question (WHICh ART IS BEST?) with real science. Wing Chun is a system not a style. The Ving Tsun system is scientifically one of the best for destroying your opponent if you use its principle to fight and not for forms (kata's) as your sole reason for Wing Chun. Namaste
Thank you for your comment. Would you please define system and style as you would us them. And when you use the word BEST & FIGHT do you mean; street fight, tournament, military warfare (modern, French Revolutionary,Edo, Tang Dynasty) and this system vs style is best for all of these things. Osu
Good day. A fighting style is a way of fighting that works only for a certain type of person like people who are flexible and fast are good at arts that teach high kicks and spinning techniques. A fighting system is a way of fighting that is based on scientific proof and scientific theory. A system allows all people to use its scientific proof and scientific concepts/ theory. Styles are not usually based on scientific concepts but styles tend to be more based on incorporating
@Vvrroommm Even in a simple art like boxing, no one boxer fights exactly like another boxer. That is exactly why Muhammad Ali does not fight like Mike Tyson, yet both are boxers. A fighting style is something you develop on your own from your own training of finding what works in the system you are training best for you. All martial arts are systems, but within those systems all its practitioners have a different fighting style.
@kyokushinjarhead I agree with what your saying that style is how an individual expresses her or himself when fighting and that the systems are the fighting schools and its teachings of how to fight its art.
CONTINUE from last post..... techniques that work from various arts and assuming (without scientific proof) that this combination of techniques will be the best effective fighting method. Regarding what I mean by BEST FIGHTING ART is an art that is based on scientific proof. For example a hook punch reaches its opponent fast but a straight punch from a boxer reaches her or his opponent faster. Therefore, a straight punch is the ideal punch as the saying is said, "Beat'm to the punch." Wing Chun
The Bubishi was a *Ryukyuan *Bujutsu manual which was based on the Chinese science of anatomy & physiology plus an understanding of pressure points. Mr. Oyama (founder of Kyokushin) trained in Goju Ryu karate. The founder of Goju Ryu's teacher Mr. Higashionna based his understanding of Naha Te on the Bubishi. * Ryukyu Kindom 1372CE-1879CE now Okinawa Ken. *Bujutsu:Japanese/Okinawan Martial Arts. Sir, there is theory then application, Kyokushin is rooted in and based on both. Osu
poor wing chun guy, but so if that guy does use wing chun why he doesnt hit in the head, if he cannont why he start a tornament and also he never create a bridge betwen he was just punching the chest and we dont do that in wc we use weak zones to hit haha well u know guys each freak with his freak video haha
@ aldridge1. I do not care I don't even study wing chun I'm f_ _ _ _ with Zacktillery. And hell I don't know the wing chun guy just saw him the other week. The point I'm making is its very easy to sit behind a screen and be a critic. Hell their are some guys that don't take martial arts and beat the hell out of so called black belts. There is that one guy that does wing chun that other wing chun says he is not real but @ least he puts up. Personally I think a bullet beats all.
Like i said anyone could see these guys are not fighters! and if you watxh it who won the tournament in this same tournament a wushu guy won a match also. but you can see the wing chun guys if they really were wing chun was a joke. and lets be real i hate to see the matches where kung fu guys are beating up on karate guys that are no match.
@jetlee357 You must be thinking of another video. The only other kung fu fighter here was this WC guy's training partner in the beginning. He survived the match but barely did anything to his opponent so he lost by decision.
@jetlee357 First round of elimination matches, so he didn't beat anyone. The winner of the overall competition, Katsuaki Sato, had to win a total of 5 full contact matches to take the overall title.
@kyokushinjarhead look really how many fights have you seen on youtube where kung fu beat karate? and how many have you seen karate beat kung fu? and can you really say those guys that was there fighing in the name of wing chun were good fighters? thats all im saying to say something does not work is childish. Can katate beat mma? sure its not the style its the person is all im saying because i have heard only thing that works is "mma" ?
@jetlee357 Apparently you have missed the numerous posts and the info under the video that states this is not a "style vs style" comparison but rather a commentary on training methodologies.
wing chun works its the people that use it. this is from the 70's you can find the tape or dvd its called the fighting blacks. it was a set up to make japanese karate look good...lol.. but trust me anyone could see the kung fu guys were not fighters. i have studied both karate and kung fu and i found out its the man not the style.
@jetlee357 If this was set up just to make karate look good, why did they show Thai boxers winning matches against karateka? This was a documentary of the 1st World Tournament where the director was focusing on all the different competitors from around the world.
@kyokushinjarhead and come on really look at these guys and you going to tell me they are fighters. hell no they are not andyou telling me that the "director" sought out the very best and as big as china is and how many fighters of wing chun this is the best he could find! ( hmmmm ) ok you think the wwf is real also. ok as i see your a true master ( i bow to you )
@jetlee357 It was an open invitation to everyone around the world, hence 1st World Tournament. The Thai boxers that competed here were very good, as were non-Kyokushin karateka from other countries including Europe and North America.
You guys are idiot; this guy is a shame to Wing Chun, fight any student of ip ching (though in reality they wouldnt fight you cause he teaches them better control of their art)
His forms are simply terrible and he clearly needs to go back to basics; i know plently of Masters who fight MMA guys behind closed doors after they sign a waiver, and watch them come out with their asses handed to them begging to be taught, only to be denied.
@XKingOfTheOzoneX i agree this guy's punches were verry squirly and uncontrolled probably because hes never actually punched someone.... u can tell the kyokushin guy has punched plenty of stuff by the way he layed that poor soul out!! it was a completely unfair fight!!
@XKingOfTheOzoneX "i know plently of Masters who fight MMA guys behind closed doors after they sign a waiver, and watch them come out with their asses handed to them begging to be taught, only to be denied."
- Really? Which Masters? How do you know them? ...And once again the only place WC works is in the unvarified fairytales of noob fanboys.
@aldridge1 sounds very unverified haha. u've been playing too many computer games to be calling people noob even in here. do u even laugh in real life by saying l-o-l?
@aldridge1 My shifu and his shifu in Chicago did that. Lol well my friend you apparently havent seen WC performed in a fight correctly or at all to say that.
@XKingOfTheOzoneX the story used to be ' a group of bikers/gang members challenged and lost and then wanted to become students but were turned away'. Now it is 'MMA fighters' instead of 'bikers/gangmembers' . This is the same made up bullshit story told by Kungfu sifus all over the world to get ignorant novices to part with their money. Don't repeat to me the lies that were told to you to get you to open your wallet. ..I have 10+ years of WC under reputable sifus. They all tell the same lies.
@aldridge1 I have no idea what you and my friend are arguing about. Always fucking happens. Imo any form of MA has potential to defeat anything, its all about how you use it. But im not in anything i just street fight it through so ill let my friend and you go at when hes here
This is a perfect example of wing chun and why it dosen't work. The 1,000 punches a second won't help if they don't have any power. Kudos to other martial arts that work.
@jetlee357 Bas Rutten (Kyokushin) went to his school and he pussed out. Jon Blumming (Kyokushin) sent his student Dick Vrij to his school and not only did he puss out, but he cried and begged them not to tell anyone. Boztepe is full of shit and the only ones who don't know are his students.
@zacktillery hummm with (school, my fiancee, work, friends, and family to go fight frauds. I'll ask if they'll come here, though) you dont have time to train just as i thought another internet master. its ok you say it dont work and at your age of 22 i can tell you know alot about it. ( bowing to you) a true master..lmao by the way its youtube no one has anything to prove go school and take care of your fiancee and friends thats what really counts not making comments about frauds.
@jetlee357 I train all the time, what are you talking about? I'm no master of anything, nor did i claim to be. There is a difference between a martial art that takes years to master, and a martial art that is used to make money. Wing chun makes lots of money, just like tae kwon do does. Both useless. Try again?
Every style has the answers, it's just a matter of being exposed to the questions. One thing Kyokushin asks incredibly well is "How well do you stand up to pain?" there are a number of kyokushin teachers who will recommend that students go and have a shot at grappling and throwing schools to get an idea of how to deal with being thrown or grappling, "how do you as a striker deal with this new experience?" you gotta taste it to deal with it.
Guys...whether you root for wc or not, this is not an accurate video. You cannot take this and say see? This is wing chun and it is weak. Look at him: soon as the bout started, he got too close to even punch right, and began flailing his fists. He has no experience as a fighter, its not the wc system failing him here
@StopFlaggingVideos That's actually the point I'm trying to make. He probably trained as most martial artists do, and that's why when it was go time he found out in all reality he really can't fight.
Aye. I've heard Kyokushin called brawling karate before. Great philosophy they have; Box a brawler and brawl a boxer. Beat the tar out of someone who knows what they're doing, and dominate someone who doesn't with sheer martial arts talent.
@StopFlaggingVideos While I want to agree with you, kyokushin is right. Wing Chun spends most of its time sparring other people who know wing chun. Kyokushin fights any takers. People who want to learn to fight should learn Kyokushin and its ranking external arts (Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, Jeet Kun Do). People who want to get in shape, become more alert with their spirituality and become more internal should learn Wing Chun, as well as things like Tai Chi, Pi Gua, etc.
@Delroxorz this is true, i've personally noticed...too much wing chun now doesnt advocate any sort of good, live sparring practice, and whats worse is that they constantly spout how lethal and effective it is, while never providing evidence. there may be some good wing chun out there, but its overshadowed by all the casual catering wing chun. i would really love for wing chun to be a viable system; in theory it would be perfect, but what human can perform it flawlessly?
@StopFlaggingVideos Ip Man can. Aside from him, this idea seems to fit. The most spectacular way to fight a Wing Chun fighter is with another Wing Chun Fighter, but the most efficient and practical way is with any other art. Bruce Lee kinda proved this even with his strong Wing Chun base. Ba Ji Quan and Sanshou are two of very few street effective forms of Kung Fu I've found. I use Ba Ji myself. Explosive power and good takedowns. Really good. Sanshou is "Kung Thai" or "Muay Fu" really.
@StopFlaggingVideos check his taolu (routine before he started the competition video) his punches seems to have no jing in it . no power , if he has it , one punch is enough
Conspiracies are not always untrue or weird. It wouldn't be the first time that Kyokushin had been caught in spreading bullshit.
As for your physics question, I suggest you look it up in a physics book. This is not any fun anymore - it has become sad. A bit like trying to have the Christians defend why the bible say that bats are birds.
@patisallano Oh, please. Another WC fighter actually survived an entire match though he lost the decision at the end as he was severely out classed. If the goal was to create a conspiracy theory, they sure didn't go about it properly. And if you aren't willing to explain your theory that you previously presented, why even bring it up in the first place? When you present an argument yet cannot support it, it doesn't give your argument a lot of weight. It just makes you lose face.
WOW!! Kyokushinka went to Hong Kong and trained in Kung Fu ( badly, I guess from the comments from people here on Youtube who claim they train in some form of Kung Fu???) and protend to only rep. a Kung Fu style and lose to all Kyokushinka?? to much trouble, why not just train hard in Kyokushin style of Karate and fight whoever comes, Oh! That is what happened! Osu
Even in the presentation, where the WC person is performing a form, it is clear that it is not a WC person. Most likely it is a koykushin person, that pose as a WC as part of making Kyukushin look good. And let us drop the physics talk before your image is completely shattered.
@patisallano Yet another conspiracy theorist I see. As we said, if the idea was to prove the power of Kyokushin over all other arts, why would in this same documentary would they show non-Kyokushin fighters winning? And please, by all means, explain. I'm no physics expert so that would hardly shatter my image. I'm curious as to your explanation as to how a 50kg person can hit harder than a 300kg person without having superhuman abilities or the 300kg opponent being a vegetable.
Here we go again...more on "my martial arts can beat your martial arts."......really....it is really the fighter, not the art. What if there is on martial art that dominant......but the practicioner of the art sucked?
And a side-note: I've seen people having done martial arts for 30+ years, that had no understanding of what they were doing. No structure and no composition. Its not the amount of time you attend something that makes you an expert, but how well you understand what you study. Otherwise it's just 30 years wasted on ego. By seeing other kyokushin videos here on YT I'd say that the style has a serious ego-problem, but with a guy like Mas Oyama it's understandable...
@patisallano I also find it ironic that you refer us to having an ego problem, when any time a WC practitioner loses in a fight everyone is quick to jump in and says he wasn't using "real" WC. Meanwhile if a Kyokushin fighter loses, we acknowledge the other fighter as being the better man that day. Kyokushin has always maintained an open door policy for challengers of all kinds to prove ourselves, hence why it's constantly evolving and improving as the years go by.
Mr. Oyama who came from a humble background from the Imperial Japanese provence of Chosen (1910CE-1945CE what is now Korea) and him being Zainichi (a non Japanese permanent resident of Japan). From learning KarateDo from wise Karate Masters such as Mr. Funakoshi & Mr. Yamaguchi. Spending 2 years in the Japanese mountains training & starting Kyokushin Karate with over 15 million people.Yes, some ego but when you've touch that many people you have to have a strong ego.Osu
Working in security and crowd control does not give much knowledge about physics and mechanics. At most it gives an opportunity to see physics and mechanics in action, but it does not give an understanding of it. Jeez. I've spend some time browsing through some other "Kyokoshin vs X" fight and seriously, they all look staged. However taking myself as an example - I have no problem moving around larger and stronger people without using much energy myself.
@patisallano If this fight was staged, they did a poor PR job as other fighters from other styles also competed in this tournament and fared well. This is a knockdown fighting tournament, not some mysterious anti-WC campaign.
@adamzez : Yeah - sometimes I underestimate peoples mental capabilities. It's an error on my part. I do know, that in many of the non-japanese styles they are more scientific in their approach. Krav Maga and Escrima just to mention two, are pretty pragmatic and down to earth people to speak with. By the way, there's a lot of hot females doing Krav Maga, I wonder what Krav Maga has that everybody else doesn't?
I often forget that I'm in contact with very young people, when interacting on the internet. I'll stop here, before the conversation become too embarrassing to be part of.
@patisallano Man, you can tell people on the itnernet that fish breathe oxygen in the water and they will be like NU UH!! THEY ARE NO TEH OXYGEN UNDeerWAATTERR!1!!!1one
I'm not gunna waste my time explaining simple science to these people anymore either. They seem to think no woman has ever beat up a man ever in the history of the world, because the man is bigger and stronger. It's pathetic.
@adamzez Nobody ever said that here. patisallano's example was to use a woman. We're just going off of the weight rather than gender. If your reading comprehension is that poor, it's no wonder why you don't understand.
@kyokushinjarhead No you have dablled in this topic with size and weight. Weight and size are not the same thing at all. You can gain enormous weight, but not much size with the proper techniques. Which are what many fighters go for. It's about getting your muscles as dense as possible, while keeping them small. Size gets in the way and burns way to much energy. Bruce Lee could do things with his strength that people twice his size couldn't do. Same with many other fighters.
@adamzez You're thinking of muscular strength and muscular mass. Bruce Lee actually hurt himself using 135 pounds in an exercise many other guys are doing hundreds of pounds in. Bruce was strong for his size, but even he knew a larger, stronger opponent would most likely kick his butt. That's why he often said he would never want to fight Muhammad Ali, as Ali was fast, strong, and much heavier than him. Just because you're a bigger guy doesn't mean you suddenly burn out quicker either.
@kyokushinjarhead And enough with this googling people's emails. That has nothing to do with anything. You can google chuck norris and not find a single street fight on the man. Same with bruce lee. Joe Lewis. Mike Tyson. Any of them. I guess they all must be horrible in their training too huh?
@adamzez Actually Mike Tyson has had some street fights. Broke his hand in one of them. I did manage to find out how long you've been training though, which explains an awful lot. Can't say I wasn't surprised though.
@kyokushinjarhead Sir Mr. Cus D'Amato trained Mr. Tyson in his Peek-A-Boo style which helped him to offset him only being 5ft 10 1/2inches fighting heavyweights who on the avarage were 6ft 2. Mr. Tyson crushed Mr. Mitchell "Blood" Green (who is 6ft 5 inches) in the ring and on the street. This tournament was a open weight one because Mr. Oyama thought a skilled fighter could over come a height and weight disadvantage,like Mr. William Oliver did in this tournament who was under 5ft 6inches.osu
@1banryukyu OSU, yes Tyson was one of my favorite boxers. And Oyama was correct, as a skilled fighter can overcome a larger opponent with proper training. Kenji Midori is a great example. Size and strength though are very big advantages. Think of Hiroki Kurosawa and how feared he was due to his power and seeming invulnerability. He was not tall, but he was over 100kg and built like a tank.
@1banryukyu I forgot to mention though, that despite his size Tyson weighed just as much as Green did during many of their fights, making him the more muscular of the two. Tyson was big and strong for his height, which goes hand in hand with him being one of the most devastating punchers to ever set foot in a boxing ring.
You make a good point, he was a very strong fighter and had a great chin but like his great training said "speed kills" Mr. Cuz D' Amato. I think Mr. Tyson's hand spead and ability to not get hit (his first 23 fights no one could hit him flush because of his head movement =Peek A Boo style) plus he threw a combo of three punches (with any one of them being able to KO you) and his incredible strength made him the great fighter he was, so I think. Osu
@kyokushinjarhead Of course they were all in street fights. Well i dont think chuck norris was. But im saying just because you dont find videos of people fighting doesn't mean a thing. How long I've been training, really? Because I've been training in multiple fighting styles for different times. And I've been conditioning for a differet amount of time too. So no you didn't find anything on me.
@adamzez Then why didn't you mention all of these multiple fighting systems before when I asked about your training? And sometimes it's not what you post, but what your friends post that matter. About the conditioning thing - you look unhealthily thin in the photo I saw of you. Please don't sacrifice your health for the sake of trying too hard to get in shape. In the long run, it's really not healthy to overexert yourself and not get enough nutrition.
@kyokushinjarhead I'm 135lbs and 5'6". I am very healthy, with a lot of energy. I've said it before. It's not about a look. It's about bodyfat. Height. Weight. And age. And where that fat is on the body. That's what determines if someone is healthy or not. It's more complicated then just a simple number or your eyes (that can be deceiving) look at someone.
@adamzez If you're claiming 6% body fat, yes that is unhealthy. From the looks of the photo I saw of you though, you are not 6% or even in that range. How did you even come to that estimate is beyond me. You just appear to be a naturally skinny kid with light bone structure.
@kyokushinjarhead 4% - 6% is healthy for what reknown health gurus like Tony Horton have classified as "Elite Athlete". It's in the P90X Health Guide. I also have a very healthy blood pressure that supposibly only 11% of male american's my age have. I found this out during a physical for the military, i was going to join, but decided not to. WalMart also has blood pressure tests. And no, I use to be overweight all through high school.
@adamzez So you found out this body fat percentage through the military enlistment physical? That goes off of your neck and waist measurement. At your height and weight, getting to 6% body fat would mean you had an usually large neck and a waist smaller than my thigh. I seriously doubt that from what I've seen of you. Get a good personal trainer with some calipers and they can tell you a lot more accurately than what you think you are. You'll be surprised.
@kyokushinjarhead No neck measurements. lmao. I don't know where you got that from. They checked my bicep. waist. wrist. forarm. hip, height, and weight. You cannot determine someone's accurate bodyfat by measureing their neck. someone can work on their shoulder trapts all day, everyday and fool that inaccurate test you took
@adamzez I've been in the military for over 9 years now, that's exactly how we check BF%. Now I'm questioning whether you even went through MEPS and if that's just more false representation on your part.
@kyokushinjarhead There is a requirement for the body when trying to get in the military. My roommate at the time. The one who is 6'2" or 6'3", you decide, and 330lbs, wasn't sure if he could do the tests and pass. So we went and got all the information we needed from his recruiter and thats the stuff they tested. I like how you are accusing me of lying in all this. When it in fact did happen. And you're just proving to me that you think the world only works 1 way. Its really amusing.
@adamzez There's no reason why they would test you, as you are within the weight standards. At 5'6" you are allowed to be up to 170 pounds before you get taped. When people do get taped, for males they calculate BF% off of waist and neck size alone. If all you did was talk to the recruiter, that's not a military physical either. That's called talking to a recruiter. That's nothing substantial. I've given almost a decade now to the US military, I think I might know what I'm talking about.
@adamzez Also, they only check BF% if you're above the maximum weight for your height. Since you're on the low end of your height, they would have never checked your BF% in the first place.
@adamzez Also, why would they measure your biceps to determine your body fat? If you're using those measurements to check body fat, there's no need to measure it as it's not part of that calculation (which is not used by the US military). Anyways - apparently you have a camera from your buddy's fight in your mom's backyard. Are you going to show us any video of you shadowboxing, working the heavy bag, or sparring like I asked before? I'm going to assume not, and lack of skill is why.
@kyokushinjarhead There is fat that hangs on the tricep that effects a bodyfat%. That's why they measure around the whole bicep to determine a bodyfat%. not a torsofat%.
I actually do have video of my practicing. Mixing a snap kick with a thrust kick. differences from conventional boxing jabs and JKD jabs. And some light shadow boxing. They were uploaded to my facebook and are sent to my friend every so often with my phone. I will not show you them because you're a dick and no other reason.
Oyama never did TKD. As a boy he commented that he did some Chiba which was a type of Korean grappling. What difference does it make anyway. All the arts blend over time. Train in what you like.
k9m42 2 days ago
@k9m42 Sir
With a better understanding of the Martial Arts comes a greater appreciation of the history, culture and practice of the arts. If we do not have a basic understanding of our art then we could fall victim to historical revisionism (negationism). As for the native Martial Arts during 1910CE-1945CE (Mr. Oyama's childhood falls in between this time period) in what is today the Korean Peinsula, they (native Martial Arts) would have been banned by Imperial Japanese law. Osu
1banryukyu 2 days ago
Kung fu training methods are usually much softer than Karate. So he was lot prepared for the high impact blows.
k9m42 2 days ago
ahahahahah wing chun is fuking ridiculous
Andrew99458 3 days ago
@nagone11 No, dude. Oyama Masutatsu never learned taekwondo. He and Choi Hong Heui, one of taekwondo's founders, learned Shotokan karate. Oyama-sosai made Kyokushin at Japan while Choi-dojunim gave the craft's name.
6arcsn1sky 1 week ago
@6arcsn1sky Dude you better get back to your studies because clearly here your ignorance of his past shows powerfully here. MAs Oyama was Korean by birth and learned Tae Kwon do or the original called Tae Kyon!! WHen one looks at Kyokushinkai-Kan like i studied to Shodan all of the Taekwondo kicks are in there. In fact Kyokushin is Japanese Taekwondo except for the strategy. 70% hands Kyokushin, 70% feet Taekwondo. Sure Oyama knew Funakoshi and studied with him, as well as Jigoro Kano and.....
nagone11 1 week ago
@nagone11 Oyama had already established Kyokushin in the mid 1950s. TKD's debut was in the 1960s. Choi Hong Hi tried to recruit Oyama to join his organization, but Oyama already was well established with Kyokushin and declined, as Choi did not want him to become a Japanese citizen but Oyama wanted to become Japanese. It's pretty fair to assume that due to the nature of his homeland at the time, his dedication to Japan, and his organization prior to TKD, he was not influenced by Korean MAs.
kyokushinjarhead 5 days ago
@kyokushinjarhead Mas Oyama as a kid in korea was influenced by korean martial arts teachers and Mas even said so himself. His path to kyokushin was a long one with many influences.
nagone11 5 days ago
@nagone11 I've never seen him say that anywhere, nor has it ever been mentioned that he had trained in any Korean martial art. Do you have an actual source that you got this reference from, or is this anecdotal? At the time of the Korean MAs gaining popularity, they wanted to use Oyama as a vessel to further their growth but Oyama wanted no part of it. That's the only connection to the Korean arts Oyama had. Historically no evidence supports a link, nor does anything regarding his youth.
kyokushinjarhead 5 days ago
@nagone11 Sir
Mr. Oyama was born in Taisho 12nen nana getsu nijunana nichi* or July 27th1923 (*Japanese Historical Time Period). He was born in Dai Nippon Teikoku no Chosen (1910CE-1945CE) or the Imperial Japanese province of Chosen (what is today North and South Korea). The native language and culture in Chosen (Yi dynasty "Korea" 1392CE-1910CE) was replaced with Japanese language and culture even the Martial Arts were Japanese/Okinawan. Where did you get your info from? Osu
1banryukyu 4 days ago
@6arcsn1sky .....As well as people like Bong Su Han and others. So Mas Oyama was well versed in the MArtial arts and studied under and got much knowledge from others before he formed his own style. Those are the facts about Mas Oyama, you have not looked into his past and you have no knowledge it seems that he was KOREAN!!!!!
nagone11 1 week ago
@nagone11 No, the only one showing the ignorance is you. Yes, I know Oyama Masutatsu was Korean, and his original name Korean was Choi Yong Eui, but he would referred to himself as Choi Bae Dal. Oyama-sosai had never trained or heard of taekwondo since it was developed in South Korea while he was at Japan making Kyokushin. As for taekkyeon, I don't know who told you this, but that's by far the dumbest claim I've ever read because most likely, he never heard of taekkyeon.
6arcsn1sky 1 week ago
@6arcsn1sky ..son I'm not going to debate this anymore with you. I know the deal on Mas Oyama, got a blackbelt under his system and i'm fully aware of his history. Not some chump who knows nothing of him and wants to claim and talk stupid shit. Later boy, dont have anymore time for your bullshit.
nagone11 1 week ago
@nagone11 The only one spreading this kind of bull shit is you, not me. Funny how guys including you would deny taekwondo and even Kyokushin's origins by claiming they're native Korean crafts, but in reality, their origins came straight from karate though both were made by Korean martial artists.
6arcsn1sky 1 week ago
@6arcsn1sky Dude ..you are wasting my time...for real!!
nagone11 6 days ago
@nagone11 So what if I am. It just proves you don't know and take the time to anything know about the crafts, their history, and their founders.
6arcsn1sky 6 days ago
@nagone11 As for taekwondo, the craft had been around since the days of the Japanese occupation. The reason those "taekwondo" kicks are in Kyokushin because both crafts came from karate. Trust me, I did my research, and you can't say that I'm ignorant to know nothing about Oyama-sosai, Kyokushin, and taekwondo.
6arcsn1sky 1 week ago
. the wing chun practitioner must always remain under its principles and methods of combat and never enter the simple exchange of blows with rival wing chun is because the other principles that the mere fact of spending energy trading blows with the opponent, THAT IS the great problem of wing chun fights against other martial art. Where is the attack-defense simultaniedad?
TeCamela 1 week ago
Wing Chun is the most practical martial art, no doubt about it, is founded on scientific principles, the problem is that practitioners come into play the other fighter and that's a serious mistake when they fight in real fights, or fights street forget the principles of wing chun, and enter the game rival. if a good practitioner of wing chun will take on any other practitioner of any art, it soon devastate according to the principles of wing chun
TeCamela 1 week ago
The Wing Chun guy is chubby and poorly conditioned. Any fighter that chooses to be ill-prepared and unconditioned like this poor sap will lose in a competitive fight any day.
Arbiter1231 1 week ago
At 1:01 u can hear a guy screaming: "HAYOOO! HADOUKEN!"
xSilkify 2 weeks ago
LOL at the stupid chun defenders.
The best part is how he helped the guy off the mat after kicking his ass.
Now that's class.
Tamales21 2 weeks ago
@Tamales21 youll probably get beat by a ´chun' in a streetfight.
xSilkify 2 weeks ago
Enough on this debate it seems some people have a bias opinion on this. Hence the video is uploaded. All I can say is watch your ego. If these two nobodies signed up to this so call world champion competition, then do you feel this is a fair representative of Wing Chun? Sometimes logic is more powerful than your fist.There are plenty of vid. out there this fighting technique vs other so where do you draw the line?Logic will always overcome your ego.I'm signing out. enjoy having your final say
chiman121 2 weeks ago
@chiman121 Kancho Joko Ninomiya, founder of Enshin Karate, is hardly a nobody. As for this tournament, this was first time it was hosted by the Kyokushinkai organization. Since then it has been hosted several more times and is one of the top knockdown fighting tournaments in the world.
kyokushinjarhead 2 weeks ago
I used to do Kyoukusin.For WC fighters and any other Kanfu fighters perhaps can't imagine how punches and kicks of Kyoukusin black belts are fast,skillful and heavy.Especially, he was world class.I think this WC fighter was wounded internal organs.No arguments need any more. Just come to nearest Kyokusin branch for fight or sparring. I'm sure within one minute your body tell you why this WC and other oppennts of Kyoukusin fell down with one punch or kick .
4shunhere 2 weeks ago
Wing Chun can be used in the ring as the system allows you to modify to suit your environment. But only a skillful WC fighter is knowledgeable to do this and not an amateur fighter which features in the vid. Even some WC fighters don't know that in WC there are two fighting modes. One you use to fight against multiple unskilled trouble makers on the street and the other mode you use when you up against a skillful fighter. This guy featured in the vid used the 3rd mode-"don't know much" mode.
chiman121 2 weeks ago
I'm aware the vid. featuring A young Emin against William. You have a point but Emin has evolved since then and he is one of the very few who can explain the Wing Chun art better than most. I suppose that's a trade off. But this WC guy in your vid is definitely an amateur fighter (Lets use our logic here) so we better not blame the art cos this guy is not doing any justice to Wing Chun his techniques and timing are all over the place. These are the classic signs of an amateur fighter.
chiman121 2 weeks ago
@chiman121 Please read the full video description. This is not a style vs style video.
kyokushinjarhead 2 weeks ago
@kyokushinjarhead You say that but one sentence later you show your bias toward the karateaka very clearly. Perhaps you merly observing the practioners in the video but as a martial artist you must relise what statement is likely to cause debate ps those guy are considered wing chun fighters? barely its obvious they were trained in basic wing chun, but with no regard to the actual aplication or training of the techniques
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 6 days ago
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 by the way dont think i dont have respect for karate kykushin in paticular you guys fight to the wire, but dont think this means that i dont believe wing chun is not effective or else i would not train in it.
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 6 days ago
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 I never claimed Wing Chun was ineffective. It's the training methods that most Wing Chun schools use that are ineffective. That's what this video really is: a commentary on training methodology and not style vs style.
kyokushinjarhead 5 days ago
@kyokushinjarhead I relise this but i am saying this is how your comment will be interperted people always want to defend their styles so your comment might sound like an attack even though its an observation
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 5 days ago
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 Then they should probably read the video description entirely before jumping to hasty conclusions.
kyokushinjarhead 4 days ago
@kyokushinjarhead it doesnt matter what you say but how one says it
ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 4 days ago
@ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 Of course I have a bit of a bias for him. Joko Ninomiya is essentially a legend among the knockdown karate community. However, as the description clearly says, this is not a "style vs style" video. This is showing how a martial artist who trains like most do nowadays (one who practices forms and compliant partner drills but does not actually fight in his training) was easily defeated by a martial artist who actually does spend his time fighting and preparing to fight.
kyokushinjarhead 5 days ago
OK guys some times it's not the style of fighting but the person who wheels the art that wins the fight. If you use your logic, this Wing Chun (WC) guy is clearly an amateur fighter and not a top WC fighter. Without my echo taking over almost all Japanese MA have its origin from China. Furthermore, the Chinese/Japanese style of martial arts will have the flexibility to allow you to modify same of the techniques that will suit your gender, body frame & environment. Check out Emin Boztepe -
chiman121 2 weeks ago
@chiman121 I wouldn't use Emin Boztepe as a good example, especially considering the video of his fight with William Cheung.
kyokushinjarhead 2 weeks ago
@kyokushinjarhead But if you think that this is good wing chun then you clearly have a selective and narrow perception. That guy is a perfect example of a martialartist who only focused on practising forms, karate's equivalent to "kata". One could practise any style he wants but unless it is applied in real combat or sparring it will be useless.That wc guy shouldn't have been there in the first place. Wing Chun is simply not for fighting in the ring! Happy new year..
elkapre80 4 weeks ago
@elkapre80 Apparently you, like many others, have missed reading the whole description under this video.
kyokushinjarhead 4 weeks ago
kyokushinjarhead I'm aware of his birth name and him adopting the last name Oyama but I choose to call him by his chosen name from his younger years out of respect. There's a legend behind the name "BaeDal" did you know that? Also I don't think he moved to Japan just because "he wanted to be japanese" considering the discrimination goin on against koreans back then as that woul be calling him a sell out. And I never said that I believe that this wc guy would win in a real fight.
elkapre80 4 weeks ago
@elkapre80 If you want to show him respect, doesn't it make sense to use the name he had for over five decades rather than the one he had as a child? Oyama left Korea to join the IJA aviation school so he could fight for Japan and actually applied to be a kamikaze pilot. Read his biography sometime, you'll see he was quite inspired by the Japanese culture and was very happy being considered Japanese.
kyokushinjarhead 4 weeks ago
@elkapre80 Sir
Dai Nippon Teikoku no Chosen (1910CE-1945CE) or the Imperial Japanese province of Chosen is today North & South Korea. Mr. Oyama was a subject of the Japanese Imperial Crown so he was not being a sellout he was doing his duty for his country. After WWII Mr. Oyama became a Zainichi which is a Korean (and or any other non Japanese) with legal permanent residents in Japan. As such his legal name is/was Oyama, Masutatsu.As for the fighting part, everyone has their own opinions. Osu
1banryukyu 3 weeks ago
You could tell that the WC guy was not a good practioner at all just by watching him do chum kiu. His tan sau and bong sau sucked! And you can't just throw chain punch like that.. I got nothing against karate infact, I'm a huge fan of the kyokoshin founder Choi BaeDal. But if a good WC practioner fought an equally skilled karateka outside the ring the karateka would get creamed. And it's not about who's bigger or taller. It's a matter of understanding body mecanism and appropriate attack
elkapre80 1 month ago
@elkapre80 So you honestly believe this WC fighter could have beaten the karateka outside of the ring? Sorry, but I don't see that happening. Mas Oyama was actually born Choi Young-Eui, but when he moved to Japan he adopted the last name of the family that took him in (Oyama) and his first name, Masutatsu, is where Baedal comes from. Oyama wanted to be Japanese and considered to be Japanese, thus he abandoned his Korean roots when he left in his teens.
kyokushinjarhead 1 month ago
The kungfu guy was not fit or hard enough to face the Kyokushin fighter and Enshin Karate founder Kancho Joko Ninomiya
maoridude04 1 month ago
go watch ip man the movie u fags understand martials arts concept lulz gg noobs
MusicMasterful 1 month ago
@MusicMasterful Too bad real fighting isn't like the movies. If it was, then there'd be people out there like Riki-Oh who could explode their opponent's heads with a single punch.
kyokushinjarhead 1 month ago
@MusicMasterful Really? learn 'martial arts concepts' from a movie featuring choreographed performers? ..really? -_-
aldridge1 3 weeks ago
power vs speed
parzifal2 1 month ago
the wc guy doesnt punch to face, he is fighting with karate rules, only punches to chest, no techniques
Youmend 1 month ago 2
@Youmend That was the rules of the tournament. He signed up for it, so he knew what to expect.
kyokushinjarhead 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Nothing is the best of theese fighting things its about how much you have trainded how much strenght its all about you!
ozzopwn 1 month ago
OSU!
Hsv048maloo 1 month ago
so much for that bitchass flashing. All that wingy yip man bullshit is only fit in their movies where a single china man beats dozens of japs within seconds. Thats where you see it all, that shits overrated.
lobofaca707 1 month ago
this no wing chun ! t
smoothkiller777 1 month ago
man vs man and not style vs style TRUE. still talking generally or taking just average MAY BE the kyokushin fighters are the strongest and toughest in the world. they fight against every style every dojo in full contact matches and almost always win. they train very hard, CENTERED TOTALLY ON COMBAT. oyamas "surpass ur limits" philosophy make it just invincible. Be it against muay thai fighters in thailand with thai rules or kung fu or any other.
OSU
broulys1729 1 month ago
yeah dude in black was just swinging wildly. thats not wing chun thats called dumb.
lawngnome412 2 months ago
@lawngnome412 wing chun is dumb just look at it
IRaaave 1 month ago
На татами не Wing Chun был, porno!!!!!!!!!!!
Afganspec 2 months ago
Weight in muscle is a bigger factor than height. More weight = harder hits and more able to stand your ground.
tipsy3T 2 months ago
Every wing chun practicioner the only thing that he is doing when he is close to an enemy is the chain punches, again and again.
akishad69 2 months ago
only one shita tsuki to body.kyokushin fighters train their whole body.so they can take a lot of punch without blocking and punch or kick their apponents. Osu!
alienshooter100 2 months ago
depend on fighters not on arts
alienshooter100 2 months ago
That's not wing chun, that guy can't fight for shit.
Wing Chun is more defensive than offensive at first, this guy went all out like an amateur
madzane94 2 months ago
No one martial art is greater than the other! Only the skill levels of the fighters themselves!
roh00002 2 months ago
it does not seem to be a very fair match, the karate guy is a lot taller than the wing chun guy
Tezcatlipoca1984 2 months ago
@Tezcatlipoca1984 Weight's a bigger factor than height. Mike Tyson was a comparatively small guy to be a heavy weight, but he was a devastating boxer in his day.
kyokushinjarhead 2 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead Depends on the art I'd say. Can't comment on Kyokushin, but in Shotokan and Taekwondo, a foot higher means a foot longer reach (and a foot longer to build up your punch from ground up). You need weight for making sure your opponent can't simply out-muscle you from the ground in Jiujutsu
FoieGras 2 months ago
@FoieGras Sure that'll give you more reach, but weight's the bigger factor as then you can hit harder. Besides, since the WC guy was basically fighting up close and personal the whole time and he was dropped with a body shot, height wouldn't make a difference here either.
kyokushinjarhead 2 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead this is actually to the both of you, as weight does play in, so does height, however the close quarters of the fight almost negates the height factor, leaving only weight to play in, however without enough room to build up momentum in the punch the speed of WC should have prevailed, it is as the guy who posted it says, THIS wc guy trained to train, not to fight. WC was made to defend AGAINST BIGGER OPPONENTS...so technically, it was a fair fight.
blkstang69911 1 month ago
@blkstang69911 All martial arts are designed to be used against bigger and stronger opponents, so that's not much of an argument.
kyokushinjarhead 1 month ago
I bet the dislikes here are mostly WC guys who are butt hurt over this.
lol
Gharphield 2 months ago
that guy is not wing chun hahaha is somebody who dony know nothing even the forms is wrong
WingChunEcuador 2 months ago
The world of Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) or the World of (Karate) Karateka does not rest on the 'shoulders' of these individual fighters. To understand what aspects of an art is more effective than another art we need to approach the question (WHICh ART IS BEST?) with real science. Wing Chun is a system not a style. The Ving Tsun system is scientifically one of the best for destroying your opponent if you use its principle to fight and not for forms (kata's) as your sole reason for Wing Chun. Namaste
Vvrroommm 3 months ago
@Vvrroommm Sir
Thank you for your comment. Would you please define system and style as you would us them. And when you use the word BEST & FIGHT do you mean; street fight, tournament, military warfare (modern, French Revolutionary,Edo, Tang Dynasty) and this system vs style is best for all of these things. Osu
1banryukyu 3 months ago
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Vvrroommm 3 months ago
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Vvrroommm 3 months ago
Good day. A fighting style is a way of fighting that works only for a certain type of person like people who are flexible and fast are good at arts that teach high kicks and spinning techniques. A fighting system is a way of fighting that is based on scientific proof and scientific theory. A system allows all people to use its scientific proof and scientific concepts/ theory. Styles are not usually based on scientific concepts but styles tend to be more based on incorporating
Vvrroommm 3 months ago
@Vvrroommm Even in a simple art like boxing, no one boxer fights exactly like another boxer. That is exactly why Muhammad Ali does not fight like Mike Tyson, yet both are boxers. A fighting style is something you develop on your own from your own training of finding what works in the system you are training best for you. All martial arts are systems, but within those systems all its practitioners have a different fighting style.
kyokushinjarhead 2 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead I agree with what your saying that style is how an individual expresses her or himself when fighting and that the systems are the fighting schools and its teachings of how to fight its art.
Vvrroommm 2 months ago
CONTINUE from last post..... techniques that work from various arts and assuming (without scientific proof) that this combination of techniques will be the best effective fighting method. Regarding what I mean by BEST FIGHTING ART is an art that is based on scientific proof. For example a hook punch reaches its opponent fast but a straight punch from a boxer reaches her or his opponent faster. Therefore, a straight punch is the ideal punch as the saying is said, "Beat'm to the punch." Wing Chun
Vvrroommm 3 months ago
@Vvrroommm Sir
The Bubishi was a *Ryukyuan *Bujutsu manual which was based on the Chinese science of anatomy & physiology plus an understanding of pressure points. Mr. Oyama (founder of Kyokushin) trained in Goju Ryu karate. The founder of Goju Ryu's teacher Mr. Higashionna based his understanding of Naha Te on the Bubishi. * Ryukyu Kindom 1372CE-1879CE now Okinawa Ken. *Bujutsu:Japanese/Okinawan Martial Arts. Sir, there is theory then application, Kyokushin is rooted in and based on both. Osu
1banryukyu 3 months ago
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Vvrroommm 3 months ago
form vs practicality..
prodigy511 3 months ago
@prodigy511 uh no... you can clearly see in this video that wing chun guy don't really know wing chun.
OVERCAPITALIZE 3 months ago
poor wing chun guy, but so if that guy does use wing chun why he doesnt hit in the head, if he cannont why he start a tornament and also he never create a bridge betwen he was just punching the chest and we dont do that in wc we use weak zones to hit haha well u know guys each freak with his freak video haha
WingChunEcuador 3 months ago
@WingChunEcuador looks like level 1 rookie wing chun practitioner who is taught nothing but attack with no guard hand even haha
DonMega187 3 months ago
@ aldridge1. I do not care I don't even study wing chun I'm f_ _ _ _ with Zacktillery. And hell I don't know the wing chun guy just saw him the other week. The point I'm making is its very easy to sit behind a screen and be a critic. Hell their are some guys that don't take martial arts and beat the hell out of so called black belts. There is that one guy that does wing chun that other wing chun says he is not real but @ least he puts up. Personally I think a bullet beats all.
jetlee357 3 months ago
this is indicative of NOTHING....
sifujosh 3 months ago
Like i said anyone could see these guys are not fighters! and if you watxh it who won the tournament in this same tournament a wushu guy won a match also. but you can see the wing chun guys if they really were wing chun was a joke. and lets be real i hate to see the matches where kung fu guys are beating up on karate guys that are no match.
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 You must be thinking of another video. The only other kung fu fighter here was this WC guy's training partner in the beginning. He survived the match but barely did anything to his opponent so he lost by decision.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead humm so if the other guy lost by decision how many others had he beat to get to that point?
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 First round of elimination matches, so he didn't beat anyone. The winner of the overall competition, Katsuaki Sato, had to win a total of 5 full contact matches to take the overall title.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead look really how many fights have you seen on youtube where kung fu beat karate? and how many have you seen karate beat kung fu? and can you really say those guys that was there fighing in the name of wing chun were good fighters? thats all im saying to say something does not work is childish. Can katate beat mma? sure its not the style its the person is all im saying because i have heard only thing that works is "mma" ?
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 Apparently you have missed the numerous posts and the info under the video that states this is not a "style vs style" comparison but rather a commentary on training methodologies.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
Kind of flabby!
Ronin6575 3 months ago
wing chun works its the people that use it. this is from the 70's you can find the tape or dvd its called the fighting blacks. it was a set up to make japanese karate look good...lol.. but trust me anyone could see the kung fu guys were not fighters. i have studied both karate and kung fu and i found out its the man not the style.
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 If this was set up just to make karate look good, why did they show Thai boxers winning matches against karateka? This was a documentary of the 1st World Tournament where the director was focusing on all the different competitors from around the world.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead still that is always the man if you dont know how to use the techniques then you will lose against everyone
slipkshit06 3 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead and come on really look at these guys and you going to tell me they are fighters. hell no they are not andyou telling me that the "director" sought out the very best and as big as china is and how many fighters of wing chun this is the best he could find! ( hmmmm ) ok you think the wwf is real also. ok as i see your a true master ( i bow to you )
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 It was an open invitation to everyone around the world, hence 1st World Tournament. The Thai boxers that competed here were very good, as were non-Kyokushin karateka from other countries including Europe and North America.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
You guys are idiot; this guy is a shame to Wing Chun, fight any student of ip ching (though in reality they wouldnt fight you cause he teaches them better control of their art)
His forms are simply terrible and he clearly needs to go back to basics; i know plently of Masters who fight MMA guys behind closed doors after they sign a waiver, and watch them come out with their asses handed to them begging to be taught, only to be denied.
XKingOfTheOzoneX 3 months ago
@XKingOfTheOzoneX I've seen that movie too.
kyokushinjarhead 3 months ago
@XKingOfTheOzoneX i agree this guy's punches were verry squirly and uncontrolled probably because hes never actually punched someone.... u can tell the kyokushin guy has punched plenty of stuff by the way he layed that poor soul out!! it was a completely unfair fight!!
samuraichuck87 3 months ago
@XKingOfTheOzoneX "i know plently of Masters who fight MMA guys behind closed doors after they sign a waiver, and watch them come out with their asses handed to them begging to be taught, only to be denied."
- Really? Which Masters? How do you know them? ...And once again the only place WC works is in the unvarified fairytales of noob fanboys.
aldridge1 3 months ago
@aldridge1 sounds very unverified haha. u've been playing too many computer games to be calling people noob even in here. do u even laugh in real life by saying l-o-l?
DonMega187 3 months ago
@DonMega187 If you wish to communicate with someone you must speak their language. Glad I could amuse you with my choice of words:)
aldridge1 3 months ago
@aldridge1 My shifu and his shifu in Chicago did that. Lol well my friend you apparently havent seen WC performed in a fight correctly or at all to say that.
XKingOfTheOzoneX 3 months ago
@XKingOfTheOzoneX the story used to be ' a group of bikers/gang members challenged and lost and then wanted to become students but were turned away'. Now it is 'MMA fighters' instead of 'bikers/gangmembers' . This is the same made up bullshit story told by Kungfu sifus all over the world to get ignorant novices to part with their money. Don't repeat to me the lies that were told to you to get you to open your wallet. ..I have 10+ years of WC under reputable sifus. They all tell the same lies.
aldridge1 3 months ago
@aldridge1 I have no idea what you and my friend are arguing about. Always fucking happens. Imo any form of MA has potential to defeat anything, its all about how you use it. But im not in anything i just street fight it through so ill let my friend and you go at when hes here
XKingOfTheOzoneX 3 months ago
This is a perfect example of wing chun and why it dosen't work. The 1,000 punches a second won't help if they don't have any power. Kudos to other martial arts that work.
zacktillery 3 months ago
@zacktillery Go to emin boztepe on here (youtube) make a date to go fight with his students and see if it works
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 Sure, i'll just drop school, my fiancee, work, friends, and family to go fight frauds. I'll ask if they'll come here, though.
zacktillery 3 months ago
@jetlee357 Bas Rutten (Kyokushin) went to his school and he pussed out. Jon Blumming (Kyokushin) sent his student Dick Vrij to his school and not only did he puss out, but he cried and begged them not to tell anyone. Boztepe is full of shit and the only ones who don't know are his students.
aldridge1 3 months ago
@zacktillery hummm with (school, my fiancee, work, friends, and family to go fight frauds. I'll ask if they'll come here, though) you dont have time to train just as i thought another internet master. its ok you say it dont work and at your age of 22 i can tell you know alot about it. ( bowing to you) a true master..lmao by the way its youtube no one has anything to prove go school and take care of your fiancee and friends thats what really counts not making comments about frauds.
jetlee357 3 months ago
@jetlee357 I train all the time, what are you talking about? I'm no master of anything, nor did i claim to be. There is a difference between a martial art that takes years to master, and a martial art that is used to make money. Wing chun makes lots of money, just like tae kwon do does. Both useless. Try again?
zacktillery 3 months ago
I remember that joke from Kung Pow...
'My nipples look like milk duds'
caliberAlexis 3 months ago
0:43 KAZUYA MISHIMA!!!!
eunaogostodevoce6 3 months ago 2
0:43 KAZUYA MISHIMA
eunaogostodevoce6 3 months ago
Big difference between a martial ARTIST and a fighter
josh808m 3 months ago
Guys, this is not WC. The most obvious fact he doesnt put his guard up once should tip you off, otherwise, the punches are a dead giveaway.
FizzyBublech 4 months ago
LOL
arucardseito 4 months ago
Every style has the answers, it's just a matter of being exposed to the questions. One thing Kyokushin asks incredibly well is "How well do you stand up to pain?" there are a number of kyokushin teachers who will recommend that students go and have a shot at grappling and throwing schools to get an idea of how to deal with being thrown or grappling, "how do you as a striker deal with this new experience?" you gotta taste it to deal with it.
psychedashell 4 months ago 2
Guys...whether you root for wc or not, this is not an accurate video. You cannot take this and say see? This is wing chun and it is weak. Look at him: soon as the bout started, he got too close to even punch right, and began flailing his fists. He has no experience as a fighter, its not the wc system failing him here
StopFlaggingVideos 4 months ago 18
@StopFlaggingVideos That's actually the point I'm trying to make. He probably trained as most martial artists do, and that's why when it was go time he found out in all reality he really can't fight.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago 2
Aye. I've heard Kyokushin called brawling karate before. Great philosophy they have; Box a brawler and brawl a boxer. Beat the tar out of someone who knows what they're doing, and dominate someone who doesn't with sheer martial arts talent.
Delroxorz 3 months ago
@StopFlaggingVideos Also you have to consider the fact that they dont punch to the face in Kyokushin Karate
ZenPhilosopher123 3 months ago
@StopFlaggingVideos While I want to agree with you, kyokushin is right. Wing Chun spends most of its time sparring other people who know wing chun. Kyokushin fights any takers. People who want to learn to fight should learn Kyokushin and its ranking external arts (Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, Jeet Kun Do). People who want to get in shape, become more alert with their spirituality and become more internal should learn Wing Chun, as well as things like Tai Chi, Pi Gua, etc.
Delroxorz 3 months ago
@Delroxorz this is true, i've personally noticed...too much wing chun now doesnt advocate any sort of good, live sparring practice, and whats worse is that they constantly spout how lethal and effective it is, while never providing evidence. there may be some good wing chun out there, but its overshadowed by all the casual catering wing chun. i would really love for wing chun to be a viable system; in theory it would be perfect, but what human can perform it flawlessly?
StopFlaggingVideos 3 months ago
@StopFlaggingVideos Ip Man can. Aside from him, this idea seems to fit. The most spectacular way to fight a Wing Chun fighter is with another Wing Chun Fighter, but the most efficient and practical way is with any other art. Bruce Lee kinda proved this even with his strong Wing Chun base. Ba Ji Quan and Sanshou are two of very few street effective forms of Kung Fu I've found. I use Ba Ji myself. Explosive power and good takedowns. Really good. Sanshou is "Kung Thai" or "Muay Fu" really.
Delroxorz 3 months ago
@StopFlaggingVideos check his taolu (routine before he started the competition video) his punches seems to have no jing in it . no power , if he has it , one punch is enough
Lesterishere 3 months ago
Conspiracies are not always untrue or weird. It wouldn't be the first time that Kyokushin had been caught in spreading bullshit.
As for your physics question, I suggest you look it up in a physics book. This is not any fun anymore - it has become sad. A bit like trying to have the Christians defend why the bible say that bats are birds.
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano Oh, please. Another WC fighter actually survived an entire match though he lost the decision at the end as he was severely out classed. If the goal was to create a conspiracy theory, they sure didn't go about it properly. And if you aren't willing to explain your theory that you previously presented, why even bring it up in the first place? When you present an argument yet cannot support it, it doesn't give your argument a lot of weight. It just makes you lose face.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
CONSPIRACY THEORIST
WOW!! Kyokushinka went to Hong Kong and trained in Kung Fu ( badly, I guess from the comments from people here on Youtube who claim they train in some form of Kung Fu???) and protend to only rep. a Kung Fu style and lose to all Kyokushinka?? to much trouble, why not just train hard in Kyokushin style of Karate and fight whoever comes, Oh! That is what happened! Osu
1banryukyu 4 months ago
Even in the presentation, where the WC person is performing a form, it is clear that it is not a WC person. Most likely it is a koykushin person, that pose as a WC as part of making Kyukushin look good. And let us drop the physics talk before your image is completely shattered.
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano Yet another conspiracy theorist I see. As we said, if the idea was to prove the power of Kyokushin over all other arts, why would in this same documentary would they show non-Kyokushin fighters winning? And please, by all means, explain. I'm no physics expert so that would hardly shatter my image. I'm curious as to your explanation as to how a 50kg person can hit harder than a 300kg person without having superhuman abilities or the 300kg opponent being a vegetable.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
Here we go again...more on "my martial arts can beat your martial arts."......really....it is really the fighter, not the art. What if there is on martial art that dominant......but the practicioner of the art sucked?
Iraqendwar 4 months ago
And a side-note: I've seen people having done martial arts for 30+ years, that had no understanding of what they were doing. No structure and no composition. Its not the amount of time you attend something that makes you an expert, but how well you understand what you study. Otherwise it's just 30 years wasted on ego. By seeing other kyokushin videos here on YT I'd say that the style has a serious ego-problem, but with a guy like Mas Oyama it's understandable...
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano I also find it ironic that you refer us to having an ego problem, when any time a WC practitioner loses in a fight everyone is quick to jump in and says he wasn't using "real" WC. Meanwhile if a Kyokushin fighter loses, we acknowledge the other fighter as being the better man that day. Kyokushin has always maintained an open door policy for challengers of all kinds to prove ourselves, hence why it's constantly evolving and improving as the years go by.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@patisallano Sir
Mr. Oyama who came from a humble background from the Imperial Japanese provence of Chosen (1910CE-1945CE what is now Korea) and him being Zainichi (a non Japanese permanent resident of Japan). From learning KarateDo from wise Karate Masters such as Mr. Funakoshi & Mr. Yamaguchi. Spending 2 years in the Japanese mountains training & starting Kyokushin Karate with over 15 million people.Yes, some ego but when you've touch that many people you have to have a strong ego.Osu
1banryukyu 4 months ago
Working in security and crowd control does not give much knowledge about physics and mechanics. At most it gives an opportunity to see physics and mechanics in action, but it does not give an understanding of it. Jeez. I've spend some time browsing through some other "Kyokoshin vs X" fight and seriously, they all look staged. However taking myself as an example - I have no problem moving around larger and stronger people without using much energy myself.
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano If this fight was staged, they did a poor PR job as other fighters from other styles also competed in this tournament and fared well. This is a knockdown fighting tournament, not some mysterious anti-WC campaign.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
This call poster that cannot fight.
guitarlearner89 4 months ago
@adamzez : Yeah - sometimes I underestimate peoples mental capabilities. It's an error on my part. I do know, that in many of the non-japanese styles they are more scientific in their approach. Krav Maga and Escrima just to mention two, are pretty pragmatic and down to earth people to speak with. By the way, there's a lot of hot females doing Krav Maga, I wonder what Krav Maga has that everybody else doesn't?
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano lol .And you know they say Wing Chun was invented by a woman. :P
adamzez 4 months ago
I often forget that I'm in contact with very young people, when interacting on the internet. I'll stop here, before the conversation become too embarrassing to be part of.
patisallano 4 months ago
@patisallano Man, you can tell people on the itnernet that fish breathe oxygen in the water and they will be like NU UH!! THEY ARE NO TEH OXYGEN UNDeerWAATTERR!1!!!1one
I'm not gunna waste my time explaining simple science to these people anymore either. They seem to think no woman has ever beat up a man ever in the history of the world, because the man is bigger and stronger. It's pathetic.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez Nobody ever said that here. patisallano's example was to use a woman. We're just going off of the weight rather than gender. If your reading comprehension is that poor, it's no wonder why you don't understand.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead No you have dablled in this topic with size and weight. Weight and size are not the same thing at all. You can gain enormous weight, but not much size with the proper techniques. Which are what many fighters go for. It's about getting your muscles as dense as possible, while keeping them small. Size gets in the way and burns way to much energy. Bruce Lee could do things with his strength that people twice his size couldn't do. Same with many other fighters.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez You're thinking of muscular strength and muscular mass. Bruce Lee actually hurt himself using 135 pounds in an exercise many other guys are doing hundreds of pounds in. Bruce was strong for his size, but even he knew a larger, stronger opponent would most likely kick his butt. That's why he often said he would never want to fight Muhammad Ali, as Ali was fast, strong, and much heavier than him. Just because you're a bigger guy doesn't mean you suddenly burn out quicker either.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead And enough with this googling people's emails. That has nothing to do with anything. You can google chuck norris and not find a single street fight on the man. Same with bruce lee. Joe Lewis. Mike Tyson. Any of them. I guess they all must be horrible in their training too huh?
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez Actually Mike Tyson has had some street fights. Broke his hand in one of them. I did manage to find out how long you've been training though, which explains an awful lot. Can't say I wasn't surprised though.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead Sir Mr. Cus D'Amato trained Mr. Tyson in his Peek-A-Boo style which helped him to offset him only being 5ft 10 1/2inches fighting heavyweights who on the avarage were 6ft 2. Mr. Tyson crushed Mr. Mitchell "Blood" Green (who is 6ft 5 inches) in the ring and on the street. This tournament was a open weight one because Mr. Oyama thought a skilled fighter could over come a height and weight disadvantage,like Mr. William Oliver did in this tournament who was under 5ft 6inches.osu
1banryukyu 4 months ago
@1banryukyu OSU, yes Tyson was one of my favorite boxers. And Oyama was correct, as a skilled fighter can overcome a larger opponent with proper training. Kenji Midori is a great example. Size and strength though are very big advantages. Think of Hiroki Kurosawa and how feared he was due to his power and seeming invulnerability. He was not tall, but he was over 100kg and built like a tank.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@1banryukyu I forgot to mention though, that despite his size Tyson weighed just as much as Green did during many of their fights, making him the more muscular of the two. Tyson was big and strong for his height, which goes hand in hand with him being one of the most devastating punchers to ever set foot in a boxing ring.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead Sir
You make a good point, he was a very strong fighter and had a great chin but like his great training said "speed kills" Mr. Cuz D' Amato. I think Mr. Tyson's hand spead and ability to not get hit (his first 23 fights no one could hit him flush because of his head movement =Peek A Boo style) plus he threw a combo of three punches (with any one of them being able to KO you) and his incredible strength made him the great fighter he was, so I think. Osu
1banryukyu 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead Of course they were all in street fights. Well i dont think chuck norris was. But im saying just because you dont find videos of people fighting doesn't mean a thing. How long I've been training, really? Because I've been training in multiple fighting styles for different times. And I've been conditioning for a differet amount of time too. So no you didn't find anything on me.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez Then why didn't you mention all of these multiple fighting systems before when I asked about your training? And sometimes it's not what you post, but what your friends post that matter. About the conditioning thing - you look unhealthily thin in the photo I saw of you. Please don't sacrifice your health for the sake of trying too hard to get in shape. In the long run, it's really not healthy to overexert yourself and not get enough nutrition.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead I'm 135lbs and 5'6". I am very healthy, with a lot of energy. I've said it before. It's not about a look. It's about bodyfat. Height. Weight. And age. And where that fat is on the body. That's what determines if someone is healthy or not. It's more complicated then just a simple number or your eyes (that can be deceiving) look at someone.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez If you're claiming 6% body fat, yes that is unhealthy. From the looks of the photo I saw of you though, you are not 6% or even in that range. How did you even come to that estimate is beyond me. You just appear to be a naturally skinny kid with light bone structure.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead 4% - 6% is healthy for what reknown health gurus like Tony Horton have classified as "Elite Athlete". It's in the P90X Health Guide. I also have a very healthy blood pressure that supposibly only 11% of male american's my age have. I found this out during a physical for the military, i was going to join, but decided not to. WalMart also has blood pressure tests. And no, I use to be overweight all through high school.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez So you found out this body fat percentage through the military enlistment physical? That goes off of your neck and waist measurement. At your height and weight, getting to 6% body fat would mean you had an usually large neck and a waist smaller than my thigh. I seriously doubt that from what I've seen of you. Get a good personal trainer with some calipers and they can tell you a lot more accurately than what you think you are. You'll be surprised.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead No neck measurements. lmao. I don't know where you got that from. They checked my bicep. waist. wrist. forarm. hip, height, and weight. You cannot determine someone's accurate bodyfat by measureing their neck. someone can work on their shoulder trapts all day, everyday and fool that inaccurate test you took
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez I've been in the military for over 9 years now, that's exactly how we check BF%. Now I'm questioning whether you even went through MEPS and if that's just more false representation on your part.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead There is a requirement for the body when trying to get in the military. My roommate at the time. The one who is 6'2" or 6'3", you decide, and 330lbs, wasn't sure if he could do the tests and pass. So we went and got all the information we needed from his recruiter and thats the stuff they tested. I like how you are accusing me of lying in all this. When it in fact did happen. And you're just proving to me that you think the world only works 1 way. Its really amusing.
adamzez 4 months ago
@adamzez There's no reason why they would test you, as you are within the weight standards. At 5'6" you are allowed to be up to 170 pounds before you get taped. When people do get taped, for males they calculate BF% off of waist and neck size alone. If all you did was talk to the recruiter, that's not a military physical either. That's called talking to a recruiter. That's nothing substantial. I've given almost a decade now to the US military, I think I might know what I'm talking about.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@adamzez Also, they only check BF% if you're above the maximum weight for your height. Since you're on the low end of your height, they would have never checked your BF% in the first place.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@adamzez Also, why would they measure your biceps to determine your body fat? If you're using those measurements to check body fat, there's no need to measure it as it's not part of that calculation (which is not used by the US military). Anyways - apparently you have a camera from your buddy's fight in your mom's backyard. Are you going to show us any video of you shadowboxing, working the heavy bag, or sparring like I asked before? I'm going to assume not, and lack of skill is why.
kyokushinjarhead 4 months ago
@kyokushinjarhead There is fat that hangs on the tricep that effects a bodyfat%. That's why they measure around the whole bicep to determine a bodyfat%. not a torsofat%.
I actually do have video of my practicing. Mixing a snap kick with a thrust kick. differences from conventional boxing jabs and JKD jabs. And some light shadow boxing. They were uploaded to my facebook and are sent to my friend every so often with my phone. I will not show you them because you're a dick and no other reason.
adamzez 4 months ago