Don't take this the wrong way; I have to wonder Y he didn't mentions the patient should 1st have a mechanical evaluation so the cart isn't being put before the horse.Isn't the guy suppose to be tucking the arms into the chest to stabilize the spine & keep ext in the low back; I also don't think he's suppose to be flexing the patients trunk all the way down to her knee. A posterior derangement would certainly exacerbate with this
Obviously with a posterior derangement this would worsen the pain.
@WingThaiJ You seem to be quite obsessed with this video. It was meant to be a demonstration for the general public on a local TV station. Your observations are quite impressive but they should be saved for the clinic or a classroom ....... Not for a 4 minute demonstration on TV . Once again It's not a "how to" video.
@Dsel64 LOL.. I thought I was having a discussion, as I've gotten replies which is what makes up a discussion... I don't know how this translates into an obsession... I'm having much longer discussions on numerous other sites.. this is just a side interest..
Iliolumbar Lig: What does he mean ‘release the lig’ It’s somewhat elastic;The tech shown is also causing an posterior pelvic tilt affecting SIJ; twisting the body can gap facets. The technique used seems to gap facets & how can one release a ligament; & r u familiar w/a ligament tightening/contracting? Input appreciated. Thanks. More if you don't mind.
@WingThaiJ My anatomy textbook discussed the theory that the Iliolumbar Ligament is actually contractile tissue (muscle) until about middle-age. If that is correct, one could indeed "release" the ligament.
@jbealsmusic That's fine &I'm fine w/using any &all available tools, but I would not assume ILL is what is primarily being affected by the tech, in-fact, the entity providing any relief does not need to be known if u get the results of improved pain-free movement. To me, it's more likely you're affecting the spine moreso than soft tissues. As far as the video about piriformis, I can say that after 20 yrs treating spinal pain, it'sVERY RARE to have a Pirif syndrome
@jbealsmusic .When I rule out the spine, I rule out a nerve root aherence or an entrapment, then I might choose to 'test' the piriformus but it seems many just automatically start poking around it because they might not be familiar with spinal mechanical eval & testg procedures of the piriformis.
@WingThaiJ Another theory is that when manual therapists treat the iliolumbar ligament, the "releasing" effect is actually a release of QL/ES d/t the effect of the treatment on the thoracolumbar fascia.
@jbealsmusic I'd first rule out the spinal motion segment first; if I think this maneuver might help, like anything, I'd try it; but in the end, the entity that is being positively effect is assumed; which is fine with me... I would probably qualify myself with the patient as I always do as to the potential tissues at fault.. many things are being effected at one time, including the spine.
That Hamstring stretch could severely worsen a sciatica; you need to rule out the L/S FIRST and treat via mechanical means... you have to be shown that the hamstring stretch you showed would not tug the nerve root and worsen the condition
That is not correct. This video was not meant to teach the technique. Most techniques are active , some are passive. You need to attend the seminars to properly learn the technique.
That is not correct. This video was not meant to teach the technique. Most techniques are active , some are passive. You need to attend the seminars to properly learn the technique.
Yeah, techinically the patient should be actively bringing the hip into flexion rather than the therapist/doctor, but the active component and purported specificity is what separates this technique say from "normal" massage. Also, Graston technique is another soft tissue-based treatment protocol that uses specialized stainless steel instruments that, IMHO, is more effective in treating tendon and fascial conditions.
Your interpretation of the technique is wrong. This is not PNF, so no resistance is needed. In fact, the active motion occurs when the patient flexes at the hip, not extends.
Well he looks like he is a good practitioner, but technically speaking, it's called 'active' because the patient causes the movement themself, rather than having the practitioner do it for them.
This allows the patient to self-govern the speed and hence pain of the treatment.
"This allows the patient to self-govern the speed and hence pain of the treatment."
You make it sound like this is how all of ART is and that is false. There isn't one protocol that purely involved the patient doing the movement. Its an appropriate way to employ the technique however its quite rare to see a practitioner employ active patient movement as a standard. The results aren't as high as having an assistant passively lengthen the isolated muscle.
I'm happy to say Dan has helped me AND my bf. :) I had major foot pain, and nothing helps relieve my issues like ART. My boyfriend had shin-splints & even though he iced and rested his legs, nothing worked except for Dan's diagnosis and treatment of his calves! Dan's a god-send. :)
i had a loose labarum and had it fixed with surgery and P.T. this was in my right arm.. Now my left shoulder is having problems... The joint isn't working properly... Wehn i exercise i feel pressure in the shoudler instead of the muscle i'm aiming to work out.. Maybe this is what i need.e
more like assisted relief
philipee32 1 month ago
Don't take this the wrong way; I have to wonder Y he didn't mentions the patient should 1st have a mechanical evaluation so the cart isn't being put before the horse.Isn't the guy suppose to be tucking the arms into the chest to stabilize the spine & keep ext in the low back; I also don't think he's suppose to be flexing the patients trunk all the way down to her knee. A posterior derangement would certainly exacerbate with this
Obviously with a posterior derangement this would worsen the pain.
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
@WingThaiJ You seem to be quite obsessed with this video. It was meant to be a demonstration for the general public on a local TV station. Your observations are quite impressive but they should be saved for the clinic or a classroom ....... Not for a 4 minute demonstration on TV . Once again It's not a "how to" video.
Dsel64 3 months ago 2
@Dsel64 LOL.. I thought I was having a discussion, as I've gotten replies which is what makes up a discussion... I don't know how this translates into an obsession... I'm having much longer discussions on numerous other sites.. this is just a side interest..
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
Iliolumbar Lig: What does he mean ‘release the lig’ It’s somewhat elastic;The tech shown is also causing an posterior pelvic tilt affecting SIJ; twisting the body can gap facets. The technique used seems to gap facets & how can one release a ligament; & r u familiar w/a ligament tightening/contracting? Input appreciated. Thanks. More if you don't mind.
WingThaiJ 4 months ago
@WingThaiJ My anatomy textbook discussed the theory that the Iliolumbar Ligament is actually contractile tissue (muscle) until about middle-age. If that is correct, one could indeed "release" the ligament.
jbealsmusic 3 months ago
@jbealsmusic That's fine &I'm fine w/using any &all available tools, but I would not assume ILL is what is primarily being affected by the tech, in-fact, the entity providing any relief does not need to be known if u get the results of improved pain-free movement. To me, it's more likely you're affecting the spine moreso than soft tissues. As far as the video about piriformis, I can say that after 20 yrs treating spinal pain, it'sVERY RARE to have a Pirif syndrome
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
@jbealsmusic .When I rule out the spine, I rule out a nerve root aherence or an entrapment, then I might choose to 'test' the piriformus but it seems many just automatically start poking around it because they might not be familiar with spinal mechanical eval & testg procedures of the piriformis.
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
@WingThaiJ Another theory is that when manual therapists treat the iliolumbar ligament, the "releasing" effect is actually a release of QL/ES d/t the effect of the treatment on the thoracolumbar fascia.
jbealsmusic 3 months ago
@jbealsmusic I'd first rule out the spinal motion segment first; if I think this maneuver might help, like anything, I'd try it; but in the end, the entity that is being positively effect is assumed; which is fine with me... I would probably qualify myself with the patient as I always do as to the potential tissues at fault.. many things are being effected at one time, including the spine.
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
That Hamstring stretch could severely worsen a sciatica; you need to rule out the L/S FIRST and treat via mechanical means... you have to be shown that the hamstring stretch you showed would not tug the nerve root and worsen the condition
WingThaiJ 4 months ago
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he is talking to the reporter's tits...I would too.
CoachAsmono 1 year ago
he is talking to the reports tits...I would too.
CoachAsmono 1 year ago
@CoachAsmono I would too... lol
WingThaiJ 3 months ago
That is not correct. This video was not meant to teach the technique. Most techniques are active , some are passive. You need to attend the seminars to properly learn the technique.
dselstad 2 years ago
this is passive- the patient needs to activate the muscle by giving resistance when he is pushing from 1:14 for hamstring.
bugsnbikes 2 years ago
That is not correct. This video was not meant to teach the technique. Most techniques are active , some are passive. You need to attend the seminars to properly learn the technique.
dselstad 2 years ago
Yeah, techinically the patient should be actively bringing the hip into flexion rather than the therapist/doctor, but the active component and purported specificity is what separates this technique say from "normal" massage. Also, Graston technique is another soft tissue-based treatment protocol that uses specialized stainless steel instruments that, IMHO, is more effective in treating tendon and fascial conditions.
Bronstone 2 years ago
Your interpretation of the technique is wrong. This is not PNF, so no resistance is needed. In fact, the active motion occurs when the patient flexes at the hip, not extends.
Averagebum2 1 year ago
Well he looks like he is a good practitioner, but technically speaking, it's called 'active' because the patient causes the movement themself, rather than having the practitioner do it for them.
This allows the patient to self-govern the speed and hence pain of the treatment.
bushidobadboy 2 years ago
@bushidobadboy
technically speaking you are still incorrect as there isn't one protocol that require them to move actively.
smapaparappa 2 years ago
Well yes there is, that's why it's called 'active' release, not passive. But maybe we misunderstand each other ;)
bushidobadboy 2 years ago
@bushidobadboy
"This allows the patient to self-govern the speed and hence pain of the treatment."
You make it sound like this is how all of ART is and that is false. There isn't one protocol that purely involved the patient doing the movement. Its an appropriate way to employ the technique however its quite rare to see a practitioner employ active patient movement as a standard. The results aren't as high as having an assistant passively lengthen the isolated muscle.
smapaparappa 2 years ago
Fair enough; I guess you know more about this than I do. So, out of curiosity, why isn't it called 'passive release therapy' then?
bushidobadboy 2 years ago
I'm happy to say Dan has helped me AND my bf. :) I had major foot pain, and nothing helps relieve my issues like ART. My boyfriend had shin-splints & even though he iced and rested his legs, nothing worked except for Dan's diagnosis and treatment of his calves! Dan's a god-send. :)
suzlk 2 years ago
that reporter is a babe :)
Nikon05 2 years ago
i had a loose labarum and had it fixed with surgery and P.T. this was in my right arm.. Now my left shoulder is having problems... The joint isn't working properly... Wehn i exercise i feel pressure in the shoudler instead of the muscle i'm aiming to work out.. Maybe this is what i need.e
imadebobie 3 years ago
I figured out that ART is what I really need.
h5y 3 years ago
If I lived anywhere close to there I'd make an appointment. He looks like he knows what he's doing. Can you recommend anyone in the Texas Panhandle?
sistermitzi 3 years ago
There is a chiropractor in Lubbock: Dr. McAlpin who uses ART.
purlington 3 years ago