Biden: Mukasey Stance on Torture "Shocks My Conscience"

[pearlynx]

Sarah Palin on viewing this video: "Shocking the conscience is mavericky!"

[dave777blaster]

Americans executed Japanese officers for torture at the end of ww2

Because they used water boarding.

The world loved USA for its high morality then.

Today We see Americans being ridiculed and thought of as schmucks ,dupes,and morons.

that's because America is over if they do not prosecute the people that committed and commanded torture.

Especially because it was America who prosecuted Japanese officers for using water boarding.

The world is watching ,so far we see only procrastination .

[tunanator123]

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[noster88]

Personally I'd rather have a terrorist waterboarded than have me be nuked.

[MVX12]

this is a conversation that is far above ur understanding capabilities.

this is a conversation not about hypothetical situations such as getting nuked, but its about what should be the guiding rules on how a civilized society should act. and simply put, torture is not what a civilized society should be doing.

[noster88]

I'm not going to be lectured about comprehension by someone who spells like you do. There are no rules about how a civilized society should act. You lack knowledge of political realities that would have told you that the ends often justify the means.

[MVX12]

Of course there are rules on how a civilized society should act. That is the whole point of laws. To prohibit acts that society sees as immoral and wrong: like sexual abuse and yes, torture as well. As the matter of fact you lack the knowledge of historical realities, since history shows that that legalizing acts such as torture is a first step towards dictatorship.

[noster88]

Each society has its own laws and each society considers themselves civilized. "Civilized" is a matter of opinion. I consider the society that is willing to do the necessary to ensure its survival more civilized than the society that is willing to be shit on and do nothing. Is torture less morally perverse than outright killing? Would you argue that war is obsolete even in the face of suicidal/millenarian foes intent on causing your society's destruction?

[MVX12]

i understand what you are saying and i respect it. i agree with you that civilized is a matter of opinion. but torture supported by state is wrong, no matter how one tries to justify it because it paves the way for more heinous behaviour.

[Amarx00]

political realities = barbarism for you,

you hartless cunt

I prey you and yours are never on the receiving end of this... and it might just happen in your lifetime!

[noster88]

I PRAY you spend some more time in school. I'm not HEARTLESS, I'm realistic.

[Amarx00]

REALLY!!!! AND WHEN YOU MEET GOD IS THAT WHAT YOU WILL SAY TO HIM????? I think not, but I doubt you beleive... my school days are over btw, what you call REALISTIC I call Torture, Rape, Oppression... But you're trying to pass that off a CIVILISED, thats what the Romans thought when they were feeding women & children to wild animals, what the German nation thought to the slaughter of Women & Children... & thats whats might reserve your place in hell

[noster88]

English cannot be your first language...

[Amarx00]

@noster88,

I'm really sorry for my grammar.. HERE ON YT...

It must be hard living in a world where everyone is not as perfect as you... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reducing yourself to cheap insults is the last refuge of the ignorance...

I suggest, If you have nothing constrictive to say... DONT!

[noster88]

You know what? It is hard. In fact it's fucking terrible. But see, I like to look on the bright side by considering that my job, social circle, and life in general will be a big step up from yours. If you want to cling to your dumb-person morals that's fine with me, as I know you will never be in a position to exercise any sort of power.

[Amarx00]

And neither will you!, for you know the true govenor of us all, is God!

So cling to your false sense of superiority, and fear death...

[noster88]

I will do no such thing. It is the duty of any self-respecting man to fear no other man and to reject the idea of God. I know that death is the end of consiousness and do not fear it.

[Amarx00]

Well then, you are blessed!, it appears you have more knowledge than any man in the entire sum of human history!

Good luck with that, can you leave me alone now... this is getting kind of childish... yawn!

[Amarx00]

REALISTIC to WHAT also?!?!?

WHen have there EVER been a case to act like this in HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!

Where has there been a situation where Torture has saved millions or thousand... NONE, just an excuse for sadists such as YOU to fulfill your dark, decrepid urges & if YOU cant do it, then you're happy for someone to do it in your name... trust me you may think this now, but HEED my words as I know fate has a strange sence of Irony, I sincerely pray you havint cursed/jinxed you or yours.

[DIMSCIENTIST]

why don't we just get rid of prisons and have every american get waterboarded who committs a crime in the U.S. it would be alot cheaper.

[noster88]

I think that's almost sarcasm but it's not clever enough...

[DIMSCIENTIST]

actually i was being serious. It wasn't sarcasm so thats why it wasn't clever. I mean it cause if we can do it to people of another country we better being doing to it to ourselves in order to be fair.

[cheddyrod]

I would rather have you waterboarded and then have you nuked.

[noster88]

Clever.

[Amarx00]

Thats the world you want to live in?

watch?v=Vt1-eWU2Ii0

You only have yourself to blame!

[a7xisthehaze]

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[rlan1981]

this is indeed truly shocking, torture ok depending on the 'value' of information you could get? The US is moving away from human rights more and more, please you guys and women overthere let your voice be heard and do it right this election!

And if they tamper with the election polls, don't let them get away with it, because that is how democracy dies.

[s10129107]

does that mean if you suspect something horrible enough that you can do whatever you want. Does it shock the conscience to crucify somebody and neuter them to find a nuke? Scary precedent.

[SuznAz]

Speaking truth to out of control power... you go Joe. You've got my vote.

[commercep]

I can't wait to see Biden kick whoever the Repug veep is going to be. He's an attack dog, a doberman pincher. He won't back down, and he's smart and always right on when in comes to policy.

[celinejen]

This guy uses "um" too much, JEEPERS!!!!!!

[Soulrazr]

he's thinking of what to say so he doesn't implicate anyone. Mukasey is a crook.

[piyushsoniccc]

Nuke Guantanamo Bay

[Darusdei]

OMG... torture is "okay" ? ffs u yanks are seriously off the road...

[piyushsoniccc]

BIDEN KICKS ASS

[RedPandaBoy]

Why is this person up there.... or even voted in? I can't wait for him to leave....sadly. What the hell do you do when the attorny general doesn't want to recongize.. or even consider the freaking law.

No.. I don't think a terrorist will get a hold of a nuke.. or they'll be another or ANY attack that teh US can't protect us against. What happened on 9/11 was preventable, regardless of all of these extreme measures we're taking to prevent another one.

[TAMARLANE]

I've thought about it, and I've decided waterboarding is indeed torture. If the subject thinks he may die, then that is torture. However, some people need to think they may die, and in fact some people should in fact die, or be put out of their own misery after they are tortured to give up the information they have that can prevent more death and destruction.

[patsagainstrats]

Biden's sadistic fantasies give us much insight into his personal life. With such a fertile imagination, I wonder why he feels compelled to plagiarize?

[ZPetro]

I'm not a big fan, Joe Biden, but you rocked there...

[scientistwriter]

Joe Biden is a traitor

[sacopenapa]

Mukasey is no better than the war criminal Gonzales... WATERBOARD MUKASEY, against his will, then ask the bastard if it is torture or not. If he still refuses to unswer, WATERBOARD HIM AGAIN!

[JHinWA]

Biden is right, again. You can't postpone the definition of torture only deciding the meaning on the basis or outcome of such torture. What a pathetic joke Mukasey is, and he's supposed to be the legal head of the country. The Senate had to tell HIM that Waterboarding IS, in fact, a war crime. He still can't even figure out if it's torture, unless of course it's done to him, it would then "FEEL" like torture.

[SusaninIowa]

Biden shows why he is a National Treasure.

[sanarkhos]

Yea, because he's all talk and no action.

[JHinWA]

You are misinformed. Biden has a long history of taking action, he kept Borg out, he got the President involved in Bosnia, saving lives. Crime Bill, Violence Against Women Act. Check the facts, in place of dispensing nonsensical ignorance.

[sanarkhos]

First of all the VIWA was unconstitutional, and obviously so from the outset. The only part still in effect is (unsurprisingly) the part that spends lots of money to no good. It was a pander bill. Get over yourself.

Second of all, we bombed Serbia to preserve NATO, not to save Bosnians. But this shouldn't be surprising given his support for the Iraq war:

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Biden is a partisan stooge who has no interest in exposing any institutional corruption. This is all a show for voters.

[JHinWA]

oh so what you meant to say is that you don't agree with his ACTIONS....that's not surprisng and I wont challenge. but what you DID say is that he's "all talk no action", and I have made my point, followed by you now confirming it. thank you.

[sanarkhos]

He didn't spearhead any of this crap. He was following the lead of Clinton (in BOTH cases!) and, more importantly, the lobbyists.

[sanarkhos]

Here, I'll put it in really easy-to-understand terms:

Do you think anything will come from this show of pontificating and windbaggery? Will Mukasey actually be forced to provide facts and answer questions? Will the Democrats make waves just when they're about to seize the White House and a super-majority in Congress?

This is a show for voters back home and nothing more. I'd LOVE him to prove me wrong!

[SusaninIowa]

That is just lazy snark.

Here's a few obvious reasons why. Biden's Plan for Iraq, which he got passed in the Senate, is the only one to end the civil war there and get our soldiers out without leaving genocide behind. On his many trips to Iraq, he saw the effects on soldiers of roadside bombs, and got a law passed requiring the DoD to buy mine-resistant vehicles to protect them. You may have a relative or neighbor whose life is spared by what Biden did.

[sanarkhos]

When you take your partisan goggles off, you realize the only concrete criticism Biden has for the Iraq war is that we didn't spend enough money:

tinyurl(.)com/33doo8

Biden hasn't spared anyone's life. How the hell you came to that conclusion is beyond me! He could have defunded the war, thereby ending it saving thousands of lives, but instead he's too busy trying to sound reasonable with as many words as possible.

What an unbearable windbag!

[us57chevy]

Sen. Biden should be on the Supreme court. He completely discredited Mukasey's arguement in one minute. Simply pointing out America's values and the violation of such as shocking America's conscience.

[skinnychef]

so he discredited mukazey. mukazey was discredited on EXACTLY the same issue b4 his confirmation.

i like biden, don't get me wrong--

but when are these shit-clowns going to actually DO something to restore and protect habeus corpus, our civil liberties, and our dignity in the world...

[sanarkhos]

When voters threaten to throw the Democratic bums out for their inaction.

But, of course, we know they won't!

[skinnychef]

hi snarky, our elections and whole system of voting is a fraud! it will take alot more than punching a sham ballot card in a sham ballot box in some sham american election to make a difference.

sorry to be such a nihlist-- just the way i feel about our "democracy"

[alnewberry]

Realistically, you can never predict what information you'll get or not when torturing someone, so Mukasey's argument here fails miserably.

[ShowsOn]

Good point. He seems to be saying that you have to torture someone, then determine whether it was worth doing it after the fact!

[crazycatfguy]

You have to have a conscience to get it shocked. Not having a conscience is mandatory to work for the Bush crime syndicate. It is the only thing you need to put on your resume.

[RockinRowdyRufus]

Mukasey's favorite word: Um.

Wonder what Freud would say...

[MillerManMusic]

Sucks that Biden didn't have more supporters. Would have made a good President

[oolong2]

Shock to the heart and Mukasey's to blame, he gives torture a new name.

[gallomex13]

They are not trying to hide the torture they are trying to hide what the captured prisoner said.

THE TRUTH!

it was an Illegal war.

[annarboriter]

We should judge a society's members by how well it compensates and admires those who are best at lying and subterfuge.

[burrowowl]

How did this assclown get confirmed?

[fishhead06]

The committee before which he is testifying recommended his confirmation to the full Senate.

[burrowowl]

Yeah, by a very narrow margin IIRC. I had sent a rather strongly-worded letter on the subject to my senator in that committee, but she isn't seeking re-election and hence doesn't have to listen. Her response finally showed up yesterday at my house. Shameful.

[JHinWA]

you can thank just two (D) Senators Schumer (NY) and Feinstein (CA), who forced him through.

[JHinWA]

Just two (D) Senators Schumer and Feinstein forced him through.

[blockustomz]

biden is the man

[wiskawind]

Sen Joe Biden is a great American! Mukasey is another Gonzo! We are still screwed, and the monsters are still going to torture! I feel sick, and ashamed!

[ImaScotsman]

No torture is acceptable, makes us as bad as the people who possibly trying to harm us. Also information gained under torture isnt that reliable since the person in question is usually just trying to end there suffering by any means possible, AKA lies.

[Kookimon]

he grilled him good and did not let any boolshet pass by.

[Gilliatt83]

relative "torture" PLZ