I've been training in Systema after a few yrs in hard-style aikido, shotokan and later bujunkan ninjutsu. Systema is a whole 'nuther animal. Take your best fighting skills to a good Systema instructor for your very own rude awakening. Put your body where your mouth is.
I just went to a seminar with a senior Systema instructor, and I can assure you this is the real deal. It doesn't look like fighting you have seen before, because this is a game of messing with the opponenet's nervous system. Try it out: these guys tak challenges!
@hardXcoreminecraft Or am I a member of a SF unit and you a guy that plays computer games? Maybe I am an idiot and are you fighting wars everyday hand to hand. That's possible too.
@hardXcoreminecraft No you're right. A real member would've uploaded all kind of video's of his missions and training. Killing people with his bare hands, just like in the bourne identity. My point was: A freefighter/boxer/etc knows a lot more about fighting than a member of any SF unit. Simply because it's the only thing he trains, and the only thing he does when he fights matches. Selfdefense is a very small part of the training is of any unit, they are specialists in tactics, fire-arms, etc
Wanted to add to my last post that Systema reminds me of Bujinkan Ninjutsu in that many of the strikes hit nerve pathways and vital structures, so what seems to be a soft strike has a major impact. As for the visual problems with boxing jabs, if you hit something hard like a wall or heavy like a sand bag for long enough, the jarring will hurt the joints of the hand, arm and shoulder and maybe shake your brain a bit too. Will it shake it enough to damage the eye structures and optic nerves? Maybe
It is interesting to read the comments of people who have not tried the style they put down. I have done martial arts and boxing for nearly 40 years, done security at clubs, work as a psychiatric nurse and I am used to people attacking me and felt I could take hits. Systema shocked me with the force of the strikes and that was the first day. Don't take my word for it go to your local Systema class and feel what it is like to be hit repeatedly, no pads, guards or stopping short. You'll rethink!
Systema is like a JOKE system, like a sketch on Saturday Night Live or something. Anyone thinking Systema is a truly effective system for the street has no real experience of combat, & certainly does not practice against a resisting (really resisting opponent). Some of Systema tecniques are so impractical & laughable if you saw them in a kung fu movie you'd be like 'come on that's ridiculous'. Modern Systema was created basically to con very gullible Americans & Europeans!
dudes....this shit is based on many years of study by the russians....the punch has NO TENSION WHATSOEVER. just using the concept, i can pull off harder punches with little or no tension in my body. systema also includes breathing techniques, psychological strategies....systema is the shit man! :D
I think that those who think this stuff fake may be in need of closer attention. I have been watching Ryabko hit in the stomach area and he is striking the solar plexus, for those that have been punched here ( like me for instance) you can't breathe properly for several minutes. Also short punches performed by masters can produce explosive power. These techniques were employed by spetznaz soldiers and they weren't going on a family picnic when they went on active service.
I'm sorry but these people commenting must know so much more about combat than a Russian Militant adult, haha silly me there I was thinking that the people calling this bullshit were being serious!
I mean ofcourse everyone calling this untrue have been on a 3 year course to only find out after the 3 years that it doesn't work, silly me
@SD78 Hahhhahah, a cult? You uneducated idiot.... It's rooted in ancient Russian fighting habits, mixed with some NKVD techniques, grounded in profound studies of human physique, behavior, psychology. Soviets conducted major scientific researches specifically to contribute to the creation of this discipline.
You're the one who's embarrassing himself and your country which I much respect, by the way.
Boxers go blind cause they GET punched in the face sooo fucking hard from those "inefective straight punches" not cause they are throwing the punches. This guy is wrong.
For those who need to poopoo the System...that works just fine for me and those I train with...it keeps idiots away from people who are prepared to put in the hard yards in a martial art unlike any other. If you are prepared to put your money (or time) where your ignorant mouth is...go to a systema training seminar and actually SEE what its about tungusodessa........ it just may change the way you see the world :-)
it makes me pee myself laughing when I read all the comments of the ignorant in regards to Systema. Such and such a martial art would do this...or systema is a marketing ploy.. or even better...systema wouldnt hold up in the "real" world.
I train in the "system"...and love it. It is tough, brutal and HARD work training and conditioning and anyone who says different isnt training hard enough!. Unless youve worked in the System , dont put it down. It only shows your ignorance.
@rupertthepsycho That's like saying unless you've worked in astrology, you have no way of knowing that it is illegitimate. Systema is bound to physics and human physiology just like any other martial art, and the systema punch just can't generate the amount of force that a traditional boxing straight or hook can. Furthermore, his assertion that boxers go blind from throwing straight punches is just laughably idiotic.
@RebelWrestler45 . Lol...then perhaps you need to study the human physiology a little more dude, and will you will very quickly see how HARD some of these punches are. or even better, compare it yourself , take a hook from a boxer , then a hook from Ryabko....and when you wake up..let me know how it felt :-).
@rupertthepsycho Ryabko just said that boxers go blind from the force of throwing straight punches, and you suggest that he has greater knowledge of human physiology than I? Forrest Gump post lobotomy couldn’t summon enough Down’s to say something that stupid and inane. If I take a punch from Ryabko, I will experience significant discomfort; if I take a right hook from Tyson in his prime, I might very well be dead. An arm punch with no pivot, cannot achieve significant power.
also its not about how hard neccessarily, but where. and dont forget boxing is a sport, whereas systema is a self defence technique. i know theres not much sway in that argument, but there arent rules that boxers follow in the sport. it teaches you to use pressure points and sensitive areas like the breast bone and nerves in the neck and all sorts of shit. i get what your saying however, but the purpose of boxing and systema are different.. :P
@soldierside365 Did you suggest that the sternum is a sensitive area? Well, anyways, boxing is a science, with full knowledge of human physiology. The martial art of boxing is designed to incapacitate an adversary; it teaches you to strike pressure points and target vital areas. However, the human anatomy is more robust than most martial artists would have you believe, and many of those vital areas are extremely difficult to target, if an opponent is actually resisting. Systema punches are crap.
well im sure you've been punched in the sternum and found yourself struggling to breath. as you may know there are a concentration of nerves in the sternum and also chest compression can cause your heart to fail, and it doesnt even take alot of force to do it. like i said, this is self defence. its much more than punches. and if you can manage it, watch the video 'Mikhail Ryabko teaching systema punching' and then tell me that doesnt hurt. people go weak at the knees from them
@soldierside365 No not the sternum; the sternum is one of the most robust places on the body; it is the celiac (solar) plexus below the sternum that you are referring to. Chest compression can cause your heart to fail, but not from one of Ryabko's punches, because it does take a significant amount of force to do it. I've watched most of Ryabko's videos, his students are just as brainwashed as Dillman and his Kiai followers; their 'flops' aren't even believable, he needs better actors.
ah yes, the solar plexus, thats the one i meant! doesnt help my case when im being corrected here lol. but this technique has been around for a very long time.. if it didnt work, they wouldnt do it. same as boxing isnt it? if a technique is flawed, why would they continue to teach it when there are so many others? anyone that does martial arts follow it in a cult like way. its a way of life, with discipline just like boxing. i think we should agree to disagree.
these thecniques have their place just as do straight punches. this is an interesting view on the things. from my relatively limited exp, i can say that in TaeKwon-Do we are tought to remain relaxed and keep our bodies and muscles relaxec and tense up the muscles only upon striking and then relax again.
@UncleSam493 I'm afraid "basically" is the wrong word to use. If Mikhail could bring it down to those two sentences, he would -- but the principles are subtler than that.
hmm... i don't know, guys. there is a certain amount of bull coming out of every instructor i have ever seen. when i first heard about systema, it sounded like so much hogwash. now, all i can say is, i have attended a couple of systema seminars, and in one, a short fat guy in his 6o's who looked like an ad for a heart attack handed me my ass. in the next one, a skinny accountant did the same. so, maybe they DO know a thing or two.
only a retard who knows nothing about real violence would believe this bullshit.
Even if you are a complete novice, can't you see how fake this is. Systema never existed its a marketing ploy to separate fools from their money. there is no ancient Russian martial art. Russian elite forces trained in sambo, kickboxing and other REAL combat sports. Ryabko is a scam artist
@tungusodessa Ok to prove your point ,I think that you should go to a seminar with a friend who has a cam and record a challenge by you . You could be the Hero to the world disproving this so called scam you believe System to be.
@thuddpucker11 Next time there is a seminar in my area i will try to go. i would not do anything as dramatic as a videotaped challenge but i would privately ask the instructor to roll with me. I am 45 y.o. and can still tap out one of these theoreticians because i train and have competed in REAL combat sports - wrestling, ju jitsu, MMA... I am Russian and ex-military (U.S. Army Infantry) and I've worked as a bouncer for 15 years. Now, go put on a cute camouflage outfit and play Spetsnatz.
@thuddpucker11 Next time there is a seminar in my area i will try to go. i wouldn't do anything as dramatic as a videotaped challenge but i would privately ask the instructor to roll with me. I am 45 y.o. but I can still tap out one of these theoreticians because i train and have competed in REAL combat sports - wrestling, ju jitsu, MMA... I am Russian and ex-military (U.S. Army Infantry) and I've worked as a bouncer for 15 years. Now, go put on a cute camouflage outfit and play Spetsnatz.
Another thing that has some folks wound up is that the Russians have studied the psychological effects of different kinds of punches, whereas to most Americans a punch is a punch. So when Mikhail says "this punch creates this reaction, this other punch creates this other reaction," most MA's automatically consider it BS because they've never considered, let alone studied the psychological side of punching. "Just take him out." But a bodyguard might just want to intimidate, not hurt.
@nazworkshop What's getting people hung up is that most martial arts rely on kinetic linking--feeling a "ground path" from the foot to the fist--to generate power. It works, I teach it, but Systema strikes rely on what Raizanov calls "ballistic striking," where the shoulder & arm operate somewhat independently from the rest of the body. Both methods have their advantages. Ballistic striking offers the same power but in a different package, with the addition of great flexibility & improvisation.
Check this clip of your legendary Systema punches write:
Full clip of Rybakos straight punches BS
or you will see it to the right there of clips
Hahahah it's fucking hillarious this shit is real BULLSHIDO, this systema punching is a real fake it's so funny you people believe in this shit, hahaha laughed my ass off when i saw it, go train some real martial arts seriously people.
@SpartanCombativesGrp You're partially correct. The majority of Spetsnaz train in sambo. However, there are a couple of units, specializing in counterterrorism and high level protection, that employ systema and have since the time of Stalin. Ryabko's father was a member of Stalin's bodyguard force, called "Stalin's Falcons." Ryabko trained directly under his father beginning at the age of five, just as Ryabko has been training his son since childhood (he's now a young man).
@911jewjob didn´t they defeted all arabic army and terrorist units in many wars. you skiped a history lesson or two ??? israel is the only democracy surroundet by terror states and gangsters. they do a good job against evil nations and they support your freedom too
Yeah, straight punches make you go blind. Nevermind boxers get hit in the head a lot, it's the way they punch that causes the damage? What a fucking clown.
is this supposed to reveal something embarrassing to ryabko? coz i don't see it. the "full clip" is straight out of the strikes dvd - it's all on the dvd.
"OMG! did someone say boxers often suffer brain damage? how ridiculous!" ...or... not :-/ Anyone seen footage of a 50+ boxer recently? I dunno, say Frazier? The guy who beat him aint doin so hot either...
@CNCTEMATIC he's saying it's due to them striking and not due to them being struck. That's a big difference, and it's a ridiculous claim. No person is infalliable but systema practitioners can't seem to agree that the guy is talking garbage here.
@LuqmanNaq How do you know the boxers' injuries had no contribution from the way they did their striking, other than yr inclinations? You a neurosurgeon? I don't say Ryabko is 100% right. I DO know a huge % of older boxers have brain injury, that I can feel a small shock to the head when punching straight (bag, glove, whatever), and that the Soviets did years of scientific research at Dynamo into every aspect of combat. All consistent
@CNCTEMATIC No I'm not a neurosurgeon but there are many doctors around the world who have concluded that the repeated blunt trauma to the head is the dominant cause of brain injuries in boxing. That's pretty well known and unanimous, laymen practioners to doctors know that blunt trauma to the head isn't healthy. If you've ever studied boxing you would know that any decent boxer will work on putting the most force into his opponent, have you ever considered your not boxing correctly?
@CNCTEMATIC The soviets may have it doesn't mean that Ryabko (I'm sure many russian doctors would disagree with him) is right about this issue, and that his statement represents the conclusion of Russian doctors and scientists into boxing. The soviet union disbanded in 91, current medical research is unanimous about what causes brain injuries and sight problems to boxers, it is the repeated blunt trauma to the head. He isn't infallible and is plain wrong on this issue.
@LuqmanNaq 1) Maybe you missed it when I said it the 1st time but I don't think Ryabko is "infallible". I find a lot of what he says not credible. 2) Please cite a source for your statement that "current medical research is unanimous about what causes brain injuries and sight problems to boxers, it is [solely and exclusively?] the repeated blunt trauma to the head". peace
@CNCTEMATIC google 'should boxing be banned' plenty of links, you can claim 'doesn't mean that straight punches aren't a cause', but the onus is on you and Ryabko to provide evidence justifying your claim, not on me to disprove it. You can if you like provide links to soviet research (2 decades old I might add) to support Ryabko's claim if you like.
@LuqmanNaq why is the onus on me to prove Ryabko's right?? the initial claim here is that what Ryabko says is ridiculous, laughable, obviously "bullshido". No backup, just because of the nature of the claim. I'm not saying I know straight punches contribute to brain injury. I'm saying its not self-evidently ridiculous, and in fact is consistent with other things I've observed.
You're the one making sweeping claims about "unanimous conclusions of medical research".
@CNCTEMATIC Yep it's unanimous that the brain injuries from boxing are due to the trauma of being struck (blunt trauma to the head is another term). Google. I am not aware of a single study that has attributed the brain injuries to straight punches, can you cite one? Your posts to me seem to allude that you believe straight punches cause brain injuries in boxers, if you believe that then it is on you to provide evidence to support that. It is bullshido because it defies unanimous research.
@LuqmanNaq What a ridiculous argument. Maybe I should contact some scientists to research whether my soup is hot or not.
The dialog in the video doesn't even say that straight punches are the dominant cause of blindness in boxers, Ryabko is saying that the straight punch can inflict additional trauma, contributing to blindness in boxers. Instead of listening to the words for what they are, people decide they need to suggest something else in order to try to discredit it.
@Blakobness direct quote 'boxer's who usually work only with straight punches they eventually start losing there sight because it effects the brain' - if that's self-evident to you then your gullible to be quite frank. Their loss of sight is due to the blunt trauma via punches that they take round after round throughout there career, this has been unanimously agreed upon by doctors, and is self evident to anyone who's done boxing. Taking punches to the skull isn't good for the brain, trust me.
@LuqmanNaq He wasn't contesting that, which is what I'm saying. He merely said that blowback from a punch sends energy back to your skull, which can cause debilitating trauma; not more trauma than receiving a blow to the head, but enough for him to warrant using another method. He's not speaking at a brain health seminar, don't get distracted by sub-topics.
@Lan5in6 I am not sure, but I think he means that straight punches make you focus on what's directly in front of you, and since your perifrial ( spell check) vision is no being used as much, you focus with tunnel vision. But again this is what I get from what he said. Maybe I am wrong, and I probably am.
I wouldn't agree ninjutsuHH, being that it's their entire army, the whole point of a special forces unit is to have a small group of extremely well trained and disciplined soldiers to go in with little or no back up to disrupt the enemies interests from the inside.
@RebelWrestler45 True...sadly, most minds simly don't have the experience needed to properly discriminate, regardless of what that mind's owner deludes himself into thinking.
Lightly strike into a wall with a fully extended arm. You can feel the strike recoil back up your arm, go into the spinus erectae muscles of the neck and then concuss the back of the skull. The occipital region of the brain is located in the back of the head. Now hit the wall with your elbow bent 90 degrees. No recoil into the back of the head or up the arm. It goes out the elbow. I don't know about real blindness myself, but that's old time Russian military health wisdom Mikhail's relaying.
@taiji218 You guys are nuts, DON'T HIT IMMOVABLE OBJECTS LIKE WALLS. It doesn't matter what kind of strike you use it is going to damage the body, the human body isn't designed to impact immovable objects and be OK. Common sense. If what he was saying had a slight inclination of truth we would see truckloads of boxers, and kickboxers who have lost their eyesight due to thousands of hours of striking. It's simply garbage all you offered was a ridiculous rationalization.
@LuqmanNaq Uh, dude, my suggestion was as an *exercise* to feel the recoil up the arm. I wasn't suggesting striking full force, more like using only a pound or two of force. Go hit your training partner you if you like. You just aren't as likely to feel the recoil.. It's still there As I said, I don't know (or care) about the blindness claim myself. The main point is striking with a bent arm protects the cervical spine. Why are you so bent out of shape? Hit with a straight arm if you like.
@taiji218 I tried it. You're right. I see what he means by not doing too many straight punches. I think it's good to practice them in moderation on a wall bag or heavy bag, but keep it MODERATE.
@taiji218 indeed. and it is infact true. although i would not be hitting a wall in any case. i do believe that withall martial arts, and systema is one of wich (correct if needed) the object is to teach the pupil an amount of self control and knowledge to determine when a foe is defeated. overstepping your control could reult in negative consequences. which is why i dont punch walls..
Mikhail's been in combat multiple times and heads a Special Forces unit outside of Moscow. His military students continue to go on operations in Chechnya and inside of Russia.
Mikhail hit's like a freight train. I know. I've been both hit by him and have seen others hit by him. I have no doubt he can easily kill with his punches.
How many of the keyboard warriors here have been in actual life & death combat where there are no rules? How many have actually killed somebody?
@humanparadox the fat guy, is fat out of shape & could not fight sleep! He is a trained cheeseburger eater. (see post below). Never trust a Fatty in martial arts unless he is teaching Sumo wrestling; it is clear he has never done any hard training in his life. People are very gullible!!! If BS like above actually worked, send some Systema JOKER into UFC, & they would beat everyone & earn lot of money too.
That would be true in a UFC fight. But this guy teaches defending yourself on the street. You dont need to be Jason Statham in a normal situation in a Walmart parking lot. So I disagree with you. He is a fat azz, yes. But most street fight last a few seconds, remember that. All you need to know is how to defend yourself, not necessarily how to fight.
@CloudsBeyond i sparred with a systema guy -- he is around 60, short, with a big beer gut, and looks half asleep. i am 6'1", 210lb, pretty fit, ex-infantry, and reasonably well trained. the guy just killed me without raising a sweat. i suspect that you have never tried to tangle with a real systema guy. so, why not sign up for a seminar with ryabko (he teaches in germany) and try and kick his ass? make a video of it while you're at it, and we will all enjoy watching it.
@kalevraa Systema is a JOKE designed mainly to target very gullible & naive Americans and Europeans, there are lot of them around just like you. If BS like Systema worked , why doesn't a Systema fighter go KO everyone in the UFC & earn a lot of money? EXACTLY SAME REASON a George Dillman Pressure Point expert hasn't done it either! Beating up Fatty wouldn't be a problem but I'd be ridiculed for beating up some fat out of shape old guy. Yes, I've seen real Sytema first hand - it is BS!
@CloudsBeyond i guess we have to agree to disagree. i don't know who you sparred with or what your martial art of choice is -- i have been trained in krav maga and wing chun, and sparred with 4 systema guys so far, and was impressed each time. anyhow, talk is cheap. you think you can take out ryabko, or vasilyev or ryazanov or gaevsky? fine. maybe you are as good as you say you are. show me a vid of you knocking ryabko on his fat ass, and i will eat my hat. till than, it's just boasting.
@kalevraa tell me please why no Systema guy has gone in UFC made a lot of money & beat everyone easily??? Or a George Dillman Pressure Points guy? It is simply because such BS works ONLY with people dumb & naive enough to believe it i.e. usually people who do such arts. If Pressure Points worked as Dillman claims, or Ryabkos punches (as above or other videos him brushing the guy with punches and guy is in shock flying back, etc) people doing them in UFC or real fight would KO everyone!
@CloudsBeyond i don't know how many times i heard that: why isn't he in ufc?" for that matter, why aren't YOU? my kung-fu teacher is pretty bad ass, and it wouldn't occur to him to be in ufc. you won't find aikido guys there, either. are you going to say that aikido is all bullshit, too? ufc or mma isn't any kind of standard. it's a sport, of sorts. many people who go there take some sort of systema ir sambo training, and benefit from it. hence the term mixed martial arts.
@kalevraa there are some good people in Aikido but yes largely it is BS!!! Most of them cannot fight & do not train it in realistically with people really trying to hurt them. Very few people relying solely on Aikido could do much with it in a real all out fight. Look at ANY demos on here of Aikido, people trained to take falls looks nice, unrealistic attacks nobody really trying to hurt them, no all out fight or hard sparring........ cont.
@CloudsBeyond aikido's biggest weakness is that since they are not trained to attack aggressively, the defense can be unrealistic. still, a dedicated aikido practitioner who trains for a certain minimum of time (years) is a very inconvenient opponent. the same can be said about any martial art. it's not the style -- it's the practitioner. the argument as to what style is "best" is old, and completely pointless. anyhow, what do YOU train in? what other styles have you sparred against?
@knownpornographer a sport has rules, and is a different game. certain styles and schools don't do tournaments, cause they don't wish to become a sport. i recently had a chance to practice with a russian guy, a former spetsnaz guy. every move is designed to maim or kill, not to score points. so you get shit like neck breaks, throat punches and eye gouging as a matter of fact. every knife disarm ends with the knife in the opponent's ribs. scary, and not for use in civilian life, or in cage.
@kalevraa if a martial art doesnt work or isnt proven to work in a real fighting situation, then we must remove "Martial" from the name. If it is merely an art than call it that. but, if you have an instructor that is attempting to mimic real life situations then he is in effect claiming that this is the most effecient way to dispatch an attacker in this situation. whats wrong with asking a practitioner to prove it against another system of fighting. mma seems the most logical choice.
@knownpornographer I'm an 11 year Goju Ryu karateka and I got into a street fight with an "MMA fighter" before, I shoved my thumbs in his eyes punched his nose in and walked away. Sport is different from real combat.
The problem still is that a cage match has rules. It gives you time to prepare mentally and physically. You know WHO you're facing, WHERE it's going to happen and WHEN. You even get the option of crying uncle if you have to. Hence... it's not a fight.
Different systems have different goals. MMA has proven that it is the best style for UFC. While there are other systems which are more useful for combat.
You can learn something useful from most styles just the same.
@kalevraa Systema is a JOKE designed mainly to target very gullible & naive Americans and Europeans, there are lot of them around just like you. If BS like Systema worked , why doesn't a Systema fighter go KO everyone in the UFC & earn a lot of money? EXACTLY SAME REASON a George Dillman Pressure Point expert hasn't done it either! Beating up Fatty wouldn't be a problem but I'd be ridiculed for beating up some fat out of shape old guy. Yes, I've seen real Sytema first hand - it is BS!
@S0undBite@S0undBite Having trained with both Ryobko and Vasiliev, I'd say if it's a "scam" I'll happily continue to give them my money. I've learned a ton from them. Mikhail is deeply religious, as is Vlad. As I said before, really don't care about the blindness claim. I do know Mikhail truely believes what he says here. That doesn't make it true, but if you disagree with the claim that doesn't make Mikhail a scam artist either. Again, hit with a straight arm if you like. It's a free country.
@taiji218 go into a kyokushin, vale tudo or pancration knockdown tournament and test your techniques against a resisting opponent, then post the video
@S0undBite look dude, I've got nothing to prove, to you or anybody else. I'm happy with what I do and have no ego in the game. I've gone against many a resisting opponent before and am confident for my purposes I can adequately defend myself and my loved ones if I absolutely need to--either with systema, old Yang taiji, my Ruger LCR or my Remington 12 gauge. Whatever works. I don't do any of this stuff to pump up my sense of masculinity. What's your hangup that you have to see Ryobko as a fake?
@taiji218 your a big fucking man! Believe me, if you ever get in a real confrontation pull out your gun my friend because systema and taiji is going to do very little for you. I have no doubt in my mind you would never go to any tournament.
@S0undBite@S0undBite I've been in my fair share of "real confrontations" and systema and taiji served me fine. It's never the art, its the moment and the reflexes and the ability to deal with whats coming at you. Real confrontations are ugly, unpredictable and have next to nothing to do with being a "real fucking man." There is no glory in a real confrontation. They also don't have any rules. Ask anybody who's been in combat. The key term is ugly. Tournaments can be fun but they prove nothing.
@taiji218 a punch is a punch a kick is a kick, a tournament is like a test of the techniques, you spar right? just think of a tournament as sparing with a guy but with resistance and under much more pressure. So why wont you pressure test yourself?
@taiji218 dude dont bother trying to explain anything to this guys i had a back and forth argument with him on another video even though you make points that are entirely legit he will always go back to " why isnt it in tournaments" trust me hes like a little kid dont waste your time.
@taiji218 Your lack of doubt means very little to a person with a brain. Why would a person's lack of combat experience have any bearing on systema garbage? I have never killed anybody in unarmed combat, yet I still know that humans can't fly, become invisible or kill with a punch. Systema has been exposed as dog shit, get over it.
@adamish1134 A solid strike to the trachea can kill with little force--about 2-3X what it takes to kink 2 toilet paper rolls. A solid strike to the spleen can rupture it. It's harder but it happens often enough that ER personnel don't like it. If you hit somebody older than 35 in the floating ribs or xyphoid, they fracture (and possibly splinter) far easier than at age 20. Collapsing a lung will kill if it's not treated. A hard enough hammer fist to the temple works. No glory there. Get over it.
Let's just say I've been teaching old style Taijiquan (Yang Ban Hou) for 38 years and have been a certified Systema instructor since around 2002. I may retire from formal teaching for medical reasons, but I'll continue to practice and teach this stuff until I totally can't. Check out Val Raizanov's "Ballistic Striking." He's ex-Spetsnaz, trained first in Sambo, then in Systema by Ryabko. Nobody can call him "fat," nor will anybody call him "fake."
@taiji218 : any style is better than no style, and I do believe that Rybakos can kick some ass. And he seems like a very caring and knowledgeable teacher. I just don't see this as effective over any other style, but I do see some profound weaknesses. Psychological effects of punching? Please..give me a break. Russians didn't invent punching a guy in the nose to make his eyes water or hitting in the throat to cause the gagging effect.
@MrSuperbombastik Nobody--including the Russians--said they invented it. They simply studied it and developed it a bit. Again, the Spetsnaz Mikhail trains work in executive bodyguarding as well as counterterrorism. They don't always want to take somebody out.
But look at it this way: a double palm strike to the shoulders while swearing is meant to piss off the guy you're arguing with and provoke a fight response, while a light punch to the side of the shoulder while smiling provokes laughter.
@taiji218 : any style is better than no style, and I do believe that Rybakos can kick some ass. And he seems like a very caring and knowledgeable teacher. I just don't see this as effective over any other style, but I do see some profound weaknesses. Psychological effects of punching? Please..give me a break. Russians didn't invent punching a guy in the nose to make his eyes water or hitting in the throat to cause the gagging effect. Seagal trained CIA in vietnam, doesnt mean he can't be beat.
All I see in aikido is practitioners bending at the waist. Try a real system, like ninpo taijutsu, where they use their legs. As for Systema, it is for combat, while aikido has been turned into a "moving meditation". That's why BJJ has pulled ahead of it so easily.
I think the bending at the waist was because of the style of dress back in feudal japan. You may find this hard to believe, but I left behind my taijutsu training to follow a "traditional" chinese instructor, but having grown up a gangster, he knew how to actually apply his system. I have never found another MA school to even come close, including BJJ. It isn't the style, it's the experience of the teacher. Modern life just doesn't allow for a lot, that's why MAs died out.
That's why I like Systema. I studied russian while in the army, and they are absolutely brutally practical in the way they develop anything, and this is derived from real-world deadly combat, not a ring, tournament or octagon. But I have also seen some bullshit passed off by russian "entrepeneurs" as "SPETSNAZ" combat, now that their secrets are gaining popularity with the rest of the world. It's the new capitalism, comrade!
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what crap boxers lose their eyesight due to straight punches,they get bad eyes due to getting punched in them as soon as this guy said that you know hes full of shit or should i say doughnuts.!!!!!!
he still IS in the Russian Army. He is a Colonel and advisor to the Minister of Justice. His specialty? counter terrorism/hostage rescue: When he was younger, he was much thinner.
It's no scam and what martial art do you do? I would love to see u at a systema seminar saying the same thing to either Vlad, Mikhail, or Kadochnikov who are all ex - Spetznaz operators. Mikhail is still employed by the Russian military btw. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have no fucking idea about what sophistication in martial arts is all about. Whatever keyboard warrior...
@talkfan I do REAL combat sports. U know how many guys who tell you they were SEALS were actually Navy cooks. Go to an MMA or Muay Thai gym or a judo dojo and see what that training is like. Oh, I forgot thats not "real life fighting." Or, you probably tried to train in a REAL sports but couldn't take it. So, keep doing spectacular flips for your instructor at seminars and maybe he'll certify you. Sophistication?! BJJ is sophistication. Systema is theoretical choreography.
@tungusodessa BJJ -BY ITSELF- is a stupid fighting style. It assumes you won't be on cement or gravel, and that your opponent is gonna play nice and fair, and not poke you in the eyes, hit you in the balls, or get his buddies to stomp you. It's got too many openings as a standalone fighting style.
@tungusodessa bbj is mess.Kaodchnikov style ROSS combat sambo KRav MAGA and tKD is really good shit.i did akido and bbj and its mess against more than one opponenet outside a ring.Systema from the 90's as thought by vlad is really good and by sonny puzikas.he makes his work really realistic from what ive seen.ryabko=lack of skillz
@talkfan hMM. mR.KADOCHNIKOV thats one grandfather im afraid of but yet love to see him work .he's so innovative and transended RMA to the place it is.He really the grandfather of RMA.Vlasiliev is a nice guy.love his training style from the 90's.he is really a the best master of systema with THE MOST SKILL.ryabko...imo i know my capabalities and most likely i could knock out his ass and leave him dribbling.ill hit him a puch to "make him happy"
Ok, you`re on. I will see if there`s any Systema here in Vancouver, BC(I`m Canadian now). I will see how judo and western boxing stacks up against Systema. If Systema proves me wrong, I will be open to learning it.
I know about Fedor cuz I`m a member of the American Sambo Association and he often trains at the ASA club in NY.
I also know how to box and the punching I am seeing here(as well as your explanation) is horrible.
In my opinion, these guys are con men selling bullshit to Americans, because Americans are stupid and will buy it. Same scam the Chinese and Koreans have been pulling with kung fu and tae kwon do
@devesujo.....the fact that ur willing to try Systema, earns u respect with me anyways. If u meet Vlad or Mikhail and still think it's garbage, I will respect you for at least trying it.
Oleg`s been retired for almost 10 years now. There is absolutely ZERO systema in Fedor`s style. Maybe you should research your facts before you use so called examples. Also, I`ve taken plenty of punches by big Russian who actually know how to box, so I ain`T worried about some old fat guy who doesn`t know how to put his hip into his punch. And don`t give me that wing chun style "taking power from the ground" shit.
how would you know if there is or there isn't any Systema in Fedor's style? You don't know Systema and it's not a technique based system. It's a principle based system. When used in combat/fighting it doesn't look like the drills and exercises you see here. Systema striking doesn't come from the hip or the ground. They stem from the lower back to created a certain type of impact. You have no idea about what your talking about. Spare the condescending remarks on a style you've never experienced
What grounds or basis do you have for DISPROVING this? You haven't gotten up from behind your keyboard and tried this unique form of body mechanics. Do yourself a favor.<
I've been training in Systema after a few yrs in hard-style aikido, shotokan and later bujunkan ninjutsu. Systema is a whole 'nuther animal. Take your best fighting skills to a good Systema instructor for your very own rude awakening. Put your body where your mouth is.
swimmerwolf5 1 month ago
I just went to a seminar with a senior Systema instructor, and I can assure you this is the real deal. It doesn't look like fighting you have seen before, because this is a game of messing with the opponenet's nervous system. Try it out: these guys tak challenges!
HughSlaman 3 months ago
@HughSlaman How do i go about challenging them
megaman349 1 month ago
i want to see this guy with mike tyson in the ring...
TheHellenike 4 months ago
@TheHellenike being a coach is different from a fighter
mehrdadofsky 4 months ago
@TheHellenike he would kill tyson.
SuperShinobi4 4 months ago
@SuperShinobi4 Roflmao..
TheHellenike 4 months ago
@SuperShinobi4 at the buffet?
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
BS? You know systema is used by the russian special forces right?
2129261184 4 months ago
@2129261184 BS = BullShido
SushiBlast 4 months ago
@SushiBlast Ah, ok, my mistake :)
2129261184 4 months ago
@2129261184 And you know that special forces NEVER have to fight hand to hand right? So why is that an argument?
tibor1980 4 months ago
@tibor1980 right, hand to hand combat would never come into play at all. you're a fucking idiot.
hardXcoreminecraft 4 months ago
@hardXcoreminecraft Or am I a member of a SF unit and you a guy that plays computer games? Maybe I am an idiot and are you fighting wars everyday hand to hand. That's possible too.
tibor1980 4 months ago
@tibor1980 oh, you're really a member of a special forces unit? cool videos.
hardXcoreminecraft 4 months ago
@hardXcoreminecraft No you're right. A real member would've uploaded all kind of video's of his missions and training. Killing people with his bare hands, just like in the bourne identity. My point was: A freefighter/boxer/etc knows a lot more about fighting than a member of any SF unit. Simply because it's the only thing he trains, and the only thing he does when he fights matches. Selfdefense is a very small part of the training is of any unit, they are specialists in tactics, fire-arms, etc
tibor1980 4 months ago
@tibor1980 yeah, i'd expect videos like that.
hardXcoreminecraft 4 months ago
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tibor1980 4 months ago
how does throwing straight punches effect the brain?
817riverparkmusic 5 months ago
OK.
Bayonet fighting, fencing, wrestling, archery and good ol' boxing are ALL Martial Arts.
Learn what the term Martial Arts actually means and encompasses.
If you 'developed' a system of killing a man with a beer mug, that too would be a martial art.
Martial Art doesn't mean Eastern or Asian, it means a military system, it kinda directly relates to war.
arkim44 5 months ago 2
well i've beat up all the gracies and ivans because my martial art is the best and my johnson is bigger.
chickenthrower 6 months ago
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ChaosWZ 7 months ago
Wanted to add to my last post that Systema reminds me of Bujinkan Ninjutsu in that many of the strikes hit nerve pathways and vital structures, so what seems to be a soft strike has a major impact. As for the visual problems with boxing jabs, if you hit something hard like a wall or heavy like a sand bag for long enough, the jarring will hurt the joints of the hand, arm and shoulder and maybe shake your brain a bit too. Will it shake it enough to damage the eye structures and optic nerves? Maybe
susanaandsam 7 months ago
It is interesting to read the comments of people who have not tried the style they put down. I have done martial arts and boxing for nearly 40 years, done security at clubs, work as a psychiatric nurse and I am used to people attacking me and felt I could take hits. Systema shocked me with the force of the strikes and that was the first day. Don't take my word for it go to your local Systema class and feel what it is like to be hit repeatedly, no pads, guards or stopping short. You'll rethink!
susanaandsam 7 months ago
Systema is like a JOKE system, like a sketch on Saturday Night Live or something. Anyone thinking Systema is a truly effective system for the street has no real experience of combat, & certainly does not practice against a resisting (really resisting opponent). Some of Systema tecniques are so impractical & laughable if you saw them in a kung fu movie you'd be like 'come on that's ridiculous'. Modern Systema was created basically to con very gullible Americans & Europeans!
CloudsBeyond 7 months ago
dudes....this shit is based on many years of study by the russians....the punch has NO TENSION WHATSOEVER. just using the concept, i can pull off harder punches with little or no tension in my body. systema also includes breathing techniques, psychological strategies....systema is the shit man! :D
sAmZy1993 7 months ago
thats were this vid was taped at the toronto school its run by mikhails top student iv traied ther its for real!
spetznas37 8 months ago
I think that those who think this stuff fake may be in need of closer attention. I have been watching Ryabko hit in the stomach area and he is striking the solar plexus, for those that have been punched here ( like me for instance) you can't breathe properly for several minutes. Also short punches performed by masters can produce explosive power. These techniques were employed by spetznaz soldiers and they weren't going on a family picnic when they went on active service.
leeking007 8 months ago
my tai chi teacher says the same thing "avoid action reaction"
zotzclap 9 months ago
Anyone have a verifiable medical source that boxing leads to bad vision, or that punching the wrong way deteriorates your vision?
shawandrew 10 months ago
I'm sorry but these people commenting must know so much more about combat than a Russian Militant adult, haha silly me there I was thinking that the people calling this bullshit were being serious!
I mean ofcourse everyone calling this untrue have been on a 3 year course to only find out after the 3 years that it doesn't work, silly me
hoddsesaurusREX 1 year ago
Very interesting, thank you for the post.
DancesWithGhosts 1 year ago
LOL@the Systema cultists spamming these videos with their bullshit, no matter how indefensible it is...
LMAO@straight punches making you going blind...
SD78 1 year ago
@SD78 Come and suck on my russian balls, you envious piece of shit. You know Systema will put you down in a second.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
Systema is a cult.
You should be embarrassed to have such a farce representing your country.
SD78 1 year ago
@SD78 Hahhhahah, a cult? You uneducated idiot.... It's rooted in ancient Russian fighting habits, mixed with some NKVD techniques, grounded in profound studies of human physique, behavior, psychology. Soviets conducted major scientific researches specifically to contribute to the creation of this discipline.
You're the one who's embarrassing himself and your country which I much respect, by the way.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
Boxers go blind cause they GET punched in the face sooo fucking hard from those "inefective straight punches" not cause they are throwing the punches. This guy is wrong.
kevinchris 1 year ago
For those who need to poopoo the System...that works just fine for me and those I train with...it keeps idiots away from people who are prepared to put in the hard yards in a martial art unlike any other. If you are prepared to put your money (or time) where your ignorant mouth is...go to a systema training seminar and actually SEE what its about tungusodessa........ it just may change the way you see the world :-)
rupertthepsycho 1 year ago
it makes me pee myself laughing when I read all the comments of the ignorant in regards to Systema. Such and such a martial art would do this...or systema is a marketing ploy.. or even better...systema wouldnt hold up in the "real" world.
I train in the "system"...and love it. It is tough, brutal and HARD work training and conditioning and anyone who says different isnt training hard enough!. Unless youve worked in the System , dont put it down. It only shows your ignorance.
rupertthepsycho 1 year ago
@rupertthepsycho That's like saying unless you've worked in astrology, you have no way of knowing that it is illegitimate. Systema is bound to physics and human physiology just like any other martial art, and the systema punch just can't generate the amount of force that a traditional boxing straight or hook can. Furthermore, his assertion that boxers go blind from throwing straight punches is just laughably idiotic.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 . Lol...then perhaps you need to study the human physiology a little more dude, and will you will very quickly see how HARD some of these punches are. or even better, compare it yourself , take a hook from a boxer , then a hook from Ryabko....and when you wake up..let me know how it felt :-).
rupertthepsycho 1 year ago
@rupertthepsycho Ryabko just said that boxers go blind from the force of throwing straight punches, and you suggest that he has greater knowledge of human physiology than I? Forrest Gump post lobotomy couldn’t summon enough Down’s to say something that stupid and inane. If I take a punch from Ryabko, I will experience significant discomfort; if I take a right hook from Tyson in his prime, I might very well be dead. An arm punch with no pivot, cannot achieve significant power.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45
also its not about how hard neccessarily, but where. and dont forget boxing is a sport, whereas systema is a self defence technique. i know theres not much sway in that argument, but there arent rules that boxers follow in the sport. it teaches you to use pressure points and sensitive areas like the breast bone and nerves in the neck and all sorts of shit. i get what your saying however, but the purpose of boxing and systema are different.. :P
soldierside365 11 months ago
@soldierside365 Did you suggest that the sternum is a sensitive area? Well, anyways, boxing is a science, with full knowledge of human physiology. The martial art of boxing is designed to incapacitate an adversary; it teaches you to strike pressure points and target vital areas. However, the human anatomy is more robust than most martial artists would have you believe, and many of those vital areas are extremely difficult to target, if an opponent is actually resisting. Systema punches are crap.
RebelWrestler45 11 months ago
@RebelWrestler45
well im sure you've been punched in the sternum and found yourself struggling to breath. as you may know there are a concentration of nerves in the sternum and also chest compression can cause your heart to fail, and it doesnt even take alot of force to do it. like i said, this is self defence. its much more than punches. and if you can manage it, watch the video 'Mikhail Ryabko teaching systema punching' and then tell me that doesnt hurt. people go weak at the knees from them
soldierside365 11 months ago
@soldierside365 No not the sternum; the sternum is one of the most robust places on the body; it is the celiac (solar) plexus below the sternum that you are referring to. Chest compression can cause your heart to fail, but not from one of Ryabko's punches, because it does take a significant amount of force to do it. I've watched most of Ryabko's videos, his students are just as brainwashed as Dillman and his Kiai followers; their 'flops' aren't even believable, he needs better actors.
RebelWrestler45 11 months ago
@RebelWrestler45
ah yes, the solar plexus, thats the one i meant! doesnt help my case when im being corrected here lol. but this technique has been around for a very long time.. if it didnt work, they wouldnt do it. same as boxing isnt it? if a technique is flawed, why would they continue to teach it when there are so many others? anyone that does martial arts follow it in a cult like way. its a way of life, with discipline just like boxing. i think we should agree to disagree.
soldierside365 11 months ago
these thecniques have their place just as do straight punches. this is an interesting view on the things. from my relatively limited exp, i can say that in TaeKwon-Do we are tought to remain relaxed and keep our bodies and muscles relaxec and tense up the muscles only upon striking and then relax again.
MatoVuc 1 year ago
are they basiccly saying that a straight punch is a bad punch? like, theres more force behind a hammer-like blow?
UncleSam493 1 year ago
@UncleSam493 I'm afraid "basically" is the wrong word to use. If Mikhail could bring it down to those two sentences, he would -- but the principles are subtler than that.
Trevoke 1 year ago
hmm... i don't know, guys. there is a certain amount of bull coming out of every instructor i have ever seen. when i first heard about systema, it sounded like so much hogwash. now, all i can say is, i have attended a couple of systema seminars, and in one, a short fat guy in his 6o's who looked like an ad for a heart attack handed me my ass. in the next one, a skinny accountant did the same. so, maybe they DO know a thing or two.
kalevraa 1 year ago
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tungusodessa 1 year ago
only a retard who knows nothing about real violence would believe this bullshit.
Even if you are a complete novice, can't you see how fake this is. Systema never existed its a marketing ploy to separate fools from their money. there is no ancient Russian martial art. Russian elite forces trained in sambo, kickboxing and other REAL combat sports. Ryabko is a scam artist
tungusodessa 1 year ago
@tungusodessa Ok to prove your point ,I think that you should go to a seminar with a friend who has a cam and record a challenge by you . You could be the Hero to the world disproving this so called scam you believe System to be.
thuddpucker11 1 year ago
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@thuddpucker11 Next time there is a seminar in my area i will try to go. i would not do anything as dramatic as a videotaped challenge but i would privately ask the instructor to roll with me. I am 45 y.o. and can still tap out one of these theoreticians because i train and have competed in REAL combat sports - wrestling, ju jitsu, MMA... I am Russian and ex-military (U.S. Army Infantry) and I've worked as a bouncer for 15 years. Now, go put on a cute camouflage outfit and play Spetsnatz.
tungusodessa 1 year ago
@thuddpucker11 Next time there is a seminar in my area i will try to go. i wouldn't do anything as dramatic as a videotaped challenge but i would privately ask the instructor to roll with me. I am 45 y.o. but I can still tap out one of these theoreticians because i train and have competed in REAL combat sports - wrestling, ju jitsu, MMA... I am Russian and ex-military (U.S. Army Infantry) and I've worked as a bouncer for 15 years. Now, go put on a cute camouflage outfit and play Spetsnatz.
tungusodessa 1 year ago
@tungusodessa How's it feel to have lower physical requirements than the airforce?
Unitzero25 1 year ago
Boxers lose their sight because of straight punches?
LMFAO!!!!!!
SD78 1 year ago
Another thing that has some folks wound up is that the Russians have studied the psychological effects of different kinds of punches, whereas to most Americans a punch is a punch. So when Mikhail says "this punch creates this reaction, this other punch creates this other reaction," most MA's automatically consider it BS because they've never considered, let alone studied the psychological side of punching. "Just take him out." But a bodyguard might just want to intimidate, not hurt.
taiji218 1 year ago
@nazworkshop What's getting people hung up is that most martial arts rely on kinetic linking--feeling a "ground path" from the foot to the fist--to generate power. It works, I teach it, but Systema strikes rely on what Raizanov calls "ballistic striking," where the shoulder & arm operate somewhat independently from the rest of the body. Both methods have their advantages. Ballistic striking offers the same power but in a different package, with the addition of great flexibility & improvisation.
taiji218 1 year ago
Check this clip of your legendary Systema punches write:
Full clip of Rybakos straight punches BS
or you will see it to the right there of clips
Hahahah it's fucking hillarious this shit is real BULLSHIDO, this systema punching is a real fake it's so funny you people believe in this shit, hahaha laughed my ass off when i saw it, go train some real martial arts seriously people.
rufius89 1 year ago
@rufius89 How about this, you go get into a fistfight with a Spetsnaz soldier then tell me how fake the Systema punching is.
Isosyth 1 year ago
@Isosyth Spetznaz doesn't train in "systema". That is a myth.
SpartanCombativesGrp 1 year ago
@SpartanCombativesGrp You're partially correct. The majority of Spetsnaz train in sambo. However, there are a couple of units, specializing in counterterrorism and high level protection, that employ systema and have since the time of Stalin. Ryabko's father was a member of Stalin's bodyguard force, called "Stalin's Falcons." Ryabko trained directly under his father beginning at the age of five, just as Ryabko has been training his son since childhood (he's now a young man).
taiji218 1 year ago
@rufius89 Did you ever feel a Systema punch?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
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TimeGod12 1 year ago
Oh Gott ich und der IVAN ;)
soilentmichi 1 year ago
@911jewjob its all bullshit and lies and you know that. end of converstation.
its useless. you will never change
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@911jewjob ok now that i saw your profile. you are just a stupid nazi kid.
leave the world alone or get a good racist free education and become a happy human beeing
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@911jewjob didn´t they defeted all arabic army and terrorist units in many wars. you skiped a history lesson or two ??? israel is the only democracy surroundet by terror states and gangsters. they do a good job against evil nations and they support your freedom too
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
Yeah, straight punches make you go blind. Nevermind boxers get hit in the head a lot, it's the way they punch that causes the damage? What a fucking clown.
911jewjob 1 year ago
one thing no one seems to realise is mikail and vladmir are often the largest guys in the room.
israelifaggot 1 year ago
is this supposed to reveal something embarrassing to ryabko? coz i don't see it. the "full clip" is straight out of the strikes dvd - it's all on the dvd.
"OMG! did someone say boxers often suffer brain damage? how ridiculous!" ...or... not :-/ Anyone seen footage of a 50+ boxer recently? I dunno, say Frazier? The guy who beat him aint doin so hot either...
CNCTEMATIC 1 year ago
@CNCTEMATIC he's saying it's due to them striking and not due to them being struck. That's a big difference, and it's a ridiculous claim. No person is infalliable but systema practitioners can't seem to agree that the guy is talking garbage here.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq How do you know the boxers' injuries had no contribution from the way they did their striking, other than yr inclinations? You a neurosurgeon? I don't say Ryabko is 100% right. I DO know a huge % of older boxers have brain injury, that I can feel a small shock to the head when punching straight (bag, glove, whatever), and that the Soviets did years of scientific research at Dynamo into every aspect of combat. All consistent
CNCTEMATIC 1 year ago
@CNCTEMATIC No I'm not a neurosurgeon but there are many doctors around the world who have concluded that the repeated blunt trauma to the head is the dominant cause of brain injuries in boxing. That's pretty well known and unanimous, laymen practioners to doctors know that blunt trauma to the head isn't healthy. If you've ever studied boxing you would know that any decent boxer will work on putting the most force into his opponent, have you ever considered your not boxing correctly?
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@CNCTEMATIC The soviets may have it doesn't mean that Ryabko (I'm sure many russian doctors would disagree with him) is right about this issue, and that his statement represents the conclusion of Russian doctors and scientists into boxing. The soviet union disbanded in 91, current medical research is unanimous about what causes brain injuries and sight problems to boxers, it is the repeated blunt trauma to the head. He isn't infallible and is plain wrong on this issue.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq 1) Maybe you missed it when I said it the 1st time but I don't think Ryabko is "infallible". I find a lot of what he says not credible. 2) Please cite a source for your statement that "current medical research is unanimous about what causes brain injuries and sight problems to boxers, it is [solely and exclusively?] the repeated blunt trauma to the head". peace
CNCTEMATIC 1 year ago
@CNCTEMATIC google 'should boxing be banned' plenty of links, you can claim 'doesn't mean that straight punches aren't a cause', but the onus is on you and Ryabko to provide evidence justifying your claim, not on me to disprove it. You can if you like provide links to soviet research (2 decades old I might add) to support Ryabko's claim if you like.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq why is the onus on me to prove Ryabko's right?? the initial claim here is that what Ryabko says is ridiculous, laughable, obviously "bullshido". No backup, just because of the nature of the claim. I'm not saying I know straight punches contribute to brain injury. I'm saying its not self-evidently ridiculous, and in fact is consistent with other things I've observed.
You're the one making sweeping claims about "unanimous conclusions of medical research".
CNCTEMATIC 1 year ago
@CNCTEMATIC Yep it's unanimous that the brain injuries from boxing are due to the trauma of being struck (blunt trauma to the head is another term). Google. I am not aware of a single study that has attributed the brain injuries to straight punches, can you cite one? Your posts to me seem to allude that you believe straight punches cause brain injuries in boxers, if you believe that then it is on you to provide evidence to support that. It is bullshido because it defies unanimous research.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq What a ridiculous argument. Maybe I should contact some scientists to research whether my soup is hot or not.
The dialog in the video doesn't even say that straight punches are the dominant cause of blindness in boxers, Ryabko is saying that the straight punch can inflict additional trauma, contributing to blindness in boxers. Instead of listening to the words for what they are, people decide they need to suggest something else in order to try to discredit it.
Blakobness 1 year ago
@Blakobness direct quote 'boxer's who usually work only with straight punches they eventually start losing there sight because it effects the brain' - if that's self-evident to you then your gullible to be quite frank. Their loss of sight is due to the blunt trauma via punches that they take round after round throughout there career, this has been unanimously agreed upon by doctors, and is self evident to anyone who's done boxing. Taking punches to the skull isn't good for the brain, trust me.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq He wasn't contesting that, which is what I'm saying. He merely said that blowback from a punch sends energy back to your skull, which can cause debilitating trauma; not more trauma than receiving a blow to the head, but enough for him to warrant using another method. He's not speaking at a brain health seminar, don't get distracted by sub-topics.
Blakobness 1 year ago
I still wouldn't agree, they don't have the "modern know-how" as such
azabm05 2 years ago
wtf doing straight punches affects your brain?!
Lan5in6 2 years ago
@Lan5in6 I am not sure, but I think he means that straight punches make you focus on what's directly in front of you, and since your perifrial ( spell check) vision is no being used as much, you focus with tunnel vision. But again this is what I get from what he said. Maybe I am wrong, and I probably am.
jmikejapan 1 year ago
I wouldn't agree ninjutsuHH, being that it's their entire army, the whole point of a special forces unit is to have a small group of extremely well trained and disciplined soldiers to go in with little or no back up to disrupt the enemies interests from the inside.
azabm05 2 years ago
The SPETZNAZ, to be honest, are probably the most brutal special forces in the world.
They are trained to such high standards, and when was the last time you heard something about them?
You regularly hear about the S.A.S in Britain, and delta force/green berets in the states.
although having said that i can't comment on the Navy SEALs.
azabm05 2 years ago
the israeli army is constantly at work against killers and terrorists ..so they are probably the best sp force around
ninjutsuHH 2 years ago
Rumor has it there is a pretty decent Systema school in Toronto. Perhaps some doubters should go for a class. :)
jakeizlove 2 years ago 10
god bless internal power
kaindrg 2 years ago 2
lol i dont think u could knock anyone or anything with ur cock lol probably not even a fly
pranskius 2 years ago
Instead of throwing straight punches, boxers should make their money by holding seminars for gullible suckers like these guys.
SD78 2 years ago
The closed mind forever remains empty.
varanid9 2 years ago 9
@varanid9 And the indiscriminant mind overflows with bullshit
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
@RebelWrestler45 True...sadly, most minds simly don't have the experience needed to properly discriminate, regardless of what that mind's owner deludes himself into thinking.
varanid9 1 year ago
Lightly strike into a wall with a fully extended arm. You can feel the strike recoil back up your arm, go into the spinus erectae muscles of the neck and then concuss the back of the skull. The occipital region of the brain is located in the back of the head. Now hit the wall with your elbow bent 90 degrees. No recoil into the back of the head or up the arm. It goes out the elbow. I don't know about real blindness myself, but that's old time Russian military health wisdom Mikhail's relaying.
taiji218 2 years ago 22
@taiji218 You guys are nuts, DON'T HIT IMMOVABLE OBJECTS LIKE WALLS. It doesn't matter what kind of strike you use it is going to damage the body, the human body isn't designed to impact immovable objects and be OK. Common sense. If what he was saying had a slight inclination of truth we would see truckloads of boxers, and kickboxers who have lost their eyesight due to thousands of hours of striking. It's simply garbage all you offered was a ridiculous rationalization.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq Uh, dude, my suggestion was as an *exercise* to feel the recoil up the arm. I wasn't suggesting striking full force, more like using only a pound or two of force. Go hit your training partner you if you like. You just aren't as likely to feel the recoil.. It's still there As I said, I don't know (or care) about the blindness claim myself. The main point is striking with a bent arm protects the cervical spine. Why are you so bent out of shape? Hit with a straight arm if you like.
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 I tried it. You're right. I see what he means by not doing too many straight punches. I think it's good to practice them in moderation on a wall bag or heavy bag, but keep it MODERATE.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@taiji218 indeed. and it is infact true. although i would not be hitting a wall in any case. i do believe that withall martial arts, and systema is one of wich (correct if needed) the object is to teach the pupil an amount of self control and knowledge to determine when a foe is defeated. overstepping your control could reult in negative consequences. which is why i dont punch walls..
PUNKROCKINTHISSHIT 1 year ago
im pretty sure he is talking about tunnel vision and not actually going blind.
Nauthiz666 2 years ago
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Mikhail's been in combat multiple times and heads a Special Forces unit outside of Moscow. His military students continue to go on operations in Chechnya and inside of Russia.
Mikhail hit's like a freight train. I know. I've been both hit by him and have seen others hit by him. I have no doubt he can easily kill with his punches.
How many of the keyboard warriors here have been in actual life & death combat where there are no rules? How many have actually killed somebody?
Who are the posers?
taiji218 2 years ago 54
that fat fucker couldnt fight his way out of a paper bag but he is laughing all the way to the bank
billysue2 2 years ago
Go and take him on then keyboard warrior?
jemibanez 2 years ago
This "fat guy" is a Colonel of the Russian Army and has been training for over 30 years in hand-to-hand. He is a trained killer
humanparadox 2 years ago 19
@humanparadox the fat guy, is fat out of shape & could not fight sleep! He is a trained cheeseburger eater. (see post below). Never trust a Fatty in martial arts unless he is teaching Sumo wrestling; it is clear he has never done any hard training in his life. People are very gullible!!! If BS like above actually worked, send some Systema JOKER into UFC, & they would beat everyone & earn lot of money too.
CloudsBeyond 7 months ago
@CloudsBeyond
That would be true in a UFC fight. But this guy teaches defending yourself on the street. You dont need to be Jason Statham in a normal situation in a Walmart parking lot. So I disagree with you. He is a fat azz, yes. But most street fight last a few seconds, remember that. All you need to know is how to defend yourself, not necessarily how to fight.
humanparadox 7 months ago
@CloudsBeyond i sparred with a systema guy -- he is around 60, short, with a big beer gut, and looks half asleep. i am 6'1", 210lb, pretty fit, ex-infantry, and reasonably well trained. the guy just killed me without raising a sweat. i suspect that you have never tried to tangle with a real systema guy. so, why not sign up for a seminar with ryabko (he teaches in germany) and try and kick his ass? make a video of it while you're at it, and we will all enjoy watching it.
kalevraa 6 months ago
@kalevraa Systema is a JOKE designed mainly to target very gullible & naive Americans and Europeans, there are lot of them around just like you. If BS like Systema worked , why doesn't a Systema fighter go KO everyone in the UFC & earn a lot of money? EXACTLY SAME REASON a George Dillman Pressure Point expert hasn't done it either! Beating up Fatty wouldn't be a problem but I'd be ridiculed for beating up some fat out of shape old guy. Yes, I've seen real Sytema first hand - it is BS!
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
@CloudsBeyond i guess we have to agree to disagree. i don't know who you sparred with or what your martial art of choice is -- i have been trained in krav maga and wing chun, and sparred with 4 systema guys so far, and was impressed each time. anyhow, talk is cheap. you think you can take out ryabko, or vasilyev or ryazanov or gaevsky? fine. maybe you are as good as you say you are. show me a vid of you knocking ryabko on his fat ass, and i will eat my hat. till than, it's just boasting.
kalevraa 6 months ago
@kalevraa tell me please why no Systema guy has gone in UFC made a lot of money & beat everyone easily??? Or a George Dillman Pressure Points guy? It is simply because such BS works ONLY with people dumb & naive enough to believe it i.e. usually people who do such arts. If Pressure Points worked as Dillman claims, or Ryabkos punches (as above or other videos him brushing the guy with punches and guy is in shock flying back, etc) people doing them in UFC or real fight would KO everyone!
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
@CloudsBeyond i don't know how many times i heard that: why isn't he in ufc?" for that matter, why aren't YOU? my kung-fu teacher is pretty bad ass, and it wouldn't occur to him to be in ufc. you won't find aikido guys there, either. are you going to say that aikido is all bullshit, too? ufc or mma isn't any kind of standard. it's a sport, of sorts. many people who go there take some sort of systema ir sambo training, and benefit from it. hence the term mixed martial arts.
kalevraa 6 months ago
@kalevraa there are some good people in Aikido but yes largely it is BS!!! Most of them cannot fight & do not train it in realistically with people really trying to hurt them. Very few people relying solely on Aikido could do much with it in a real all out fight. Look at ANY demos on here of Aikido, people trained to take falls looks nice, unrealistic attacks nobody really trying to hurt them, no all out fight or hard sparring........ cont.
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
@CloudsBeyond aikido's biggest weakness is that since they are not trained to attack aggressively, the defense can be unrealistic. still, a dedicated aikido practitioner who trains for a certain minimum of time (years) is a very inconvenient opponent. the same can be said about any martial art. it's not the style -- it's the practitioner. the argument as to what style is "best" is old, and completely pointless. anyhow, what do YOU train in? what other styles have you sparred against?
kalevraa 6 months ago
@kalevraa a sport that encourages all martial arts to test themselves against each other would certainly be the closest thing to the standard.
knownpornographer 6 months ago
@knownpornographer a sport has rules, and is a different game. certain styles and schools don't do tournaments, cause they don't wish to become a sport. i recently had a chance to practice with a russian guy, a former spetsnaz guy. every move is designed to maim or kill, not to score points. so you get shit like neck breaks, throat punches and eye gouging as a matter of fact. every knife disarm ends with the knife in the opponent's ribs. scary, and not for use in civilian life, or in cage.
kalevraa 6 months ago
@kalevraa if a martial art doesnt work or isnt proven to work in a real fighting situation, then we must remove "Martial" from the name. If it is merely an art than call it that. but, if you have an instructor that is attempting to mimic real life situations then he is in effect claiming that this is the most effecient way to dispatch an attacker in this situation. whats wrong with asking a practitioner to prove it against another system of fighting. mma seems the most logical choice.
knownpornographer 6 months ago 2
@knownpornographer I'm an 11 year Goju Ryu karateka and I got into a street fight with an "MMA fighter" before, I shoved my thumbs in his eyes punched his nose in and walked away. Sport is different from real combat.
HairofSteel555 6 months ago
@knownpornographer
The problem still is that a cage match has rules. It gives you time to prepare mentally and physically. You know WHO you're facing, WHERE it's going to happen and WHEN. You even get the option of crying uncle if you have to. Hence... it's not a fight.
Different systems have different goals. MMA has proven that it is the best style for UFC. While there are other systems which are more useful for combat.
You can learn something useful from most styles just the same.
Wavemaninawe 5 months ago
@knownpornographer yea its called mma
teoafar1 6 months ago
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@kalevraa Systema is a JOKE designed mainly to target very gullible & naive Americans and Europeans, there are lot of them around just like you. If BS like Systema worked , why doesn't a Systema fighter go KO everyone in the UFC & earn a lot of money? EXACTLY SAME REASON a George Dillman Pressure Point expert hasn't done it either! Beating up Fatty wouldn't be a problem but I'd be ridiculed for beating up some fat out of shape old guy. Yes, I've seen real Sytema first hand - it is BS!
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
@taiji218 im russian and know how russians love to take westerners money with scams like this
S0undBite 1 year ago
@S0undBite@S0undBite Having trained with both Ryobko and Vasiliev, I'd say if it's a "scam" I'll happily continue to give them my money. I've learned a ton from them. Mikhail is deeply religious, as is Vlad. As I said before, really don't care about the blindness claim. I do know Mikhail truely believes what he says here. That doesn't make it true, but if you disagree with the claim that doesn't make Mikhail a scam artist either. Again, hit with a straight arm if you like. It's a free country.
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 go into a kyokushin, vale tudo or pancration knockdown tournament and test your techniques against a resisting opponent, then post the video
S0undBite 1 year ago
@S0undBite look dude, I've got nothing to prove, to you or anybody else. I'm happy with what I do and have no ego in the game. I've gone against many a resisting opponent before and am confident for my purposes I can adequately defend myself and my loved ones if I absolutely need to--either with systema, old Yang taiji, my Ruger LCR or my Remington 12 gauge. Whatever works. I don't do any of this stuff to pump up my sense of masculinity. What's your hangup that you have to see Ryobko as a fake?
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 your a big fucking man! Believe me, if you ever get in a real confrontation pull out your gun my friend because systema and taiji is going to do very little for you. I have no doubt in my mind you would never go to any tournament.
S0undBite 1 year ago
@S0undBite@S0undBite I've been in my fair share of "real confrontations" and systema and taiji served me fine. It's never the art, its the moment and the reflexes and the ability to deal with whats coming at you. Real confrontations are ugly, unpredictable and have next to nothing to do with being a "real fucking man." There is no glory in a real confrontation. They also don't have any rules. Ask anybody who's been in combat. The key term is ugly. Tournaments can be fun but they prove nothing.
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 a punch is a punch a kick is a kick, a tournament is like a test of the techniques, you spar right? just think of a tournament as sparing with a guy but with resistance and under much more pressure. So why wont you pressure test yourself?
S0undBite 1 year ago
@taiji218 dude dont bother trying to explain anything to this guys i had a back and forth argument with him on another video even though you make points that are entirely legit he will always go back to " why isnt it in tournaments" trust me hes like a little kid dont waste your time.
EricVelez0609 1 year ago
@taiji218 Your lack of doubt means very little to a person with a brain. Why would a person's lack of combat experience have any bearing on systema garbage? I have never killed anybody in unarmed combat, yet I still know that humans can't fly, become invisible or kill with a punch. Systema has been exposed as dog shit, get over it.
adamish1134 1 year ago
@adamish1134 A solid strike to the trachea can kill with little force--about 2-3X what it takes to kink 2 toilet paper rolls. A solid strike to the spleen can rupture it. It's harder but it happens often enough that ER personnel don't like it. If you hit somebody older than 35 in the floating ribs or xyphoid, they fracture (and possibly splinter) far easier than at age 20. Collapsing a lung will kill if it's not treated. A hard enough hammer fist to the temple works. No glory there. Get over it.
taiji218 1 year ago
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@adamish1134
Where or why Syst. has been exposed as "dog shit" ?
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@taiji218 who are you?
RabidxPanda 1 year ago
Let's just say I've been teaching old style Taijiquan (Yang Ban Hou) for 38 years and have been a certified Systema instructor since around 2002. I may retire from formal teaching for medical reasons, but I'll continue to practice and teach this stuff until I totally can't. Check out Val Raizanov's "Ballistic Striking." He's ex-Spetsnaz, trained first in Sambo, then in Systema by Ryabko. Nobody can call him "fat," nor will anybody call him "fake."
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 : any style is better than no style, and I do believe that Rybakos can kick some ass. And he seems like a very caring and knowledgeable teacher. I just don't see this as effective over any other style, but I do see some profound weaknesses. Psychological effects of punching? Please..give me a break. Russians didn't invent punching a guy in the nose to make his eyes water or hitting in the throat to cause the gagging effect.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
@MrSuperbombastik Nobody--including the Russians--said they invented it. They simply studied it and developed it a bit. Again, the Spetsnaz Mikhail trains work in executive bodyguarding as well as counterterrorism. They don't always want to take somebody out.
But look at it this way: a double palm strike to the shoulders while swearing is meant to piss off the guy you're arguing with and provoke a fight response, while a light punch to the side of the shoulder while smiling provokes laughter.
taiji218 1 year ago
@taiji218 : any style is better than no style, and I do believe that Rybakos can kick some ass. And he seems like a very caring and knowledgeable teacher. I just don't see this as effective over any other style, but I do see some profound weaknesses. Psychological effects of punching? Please..give me a break. Russians didn't invent punching a guy in the nose to make his eyes water or hitting in the throat to cause the gagging effect. Seagal trained CIA in vietnam, doesnt mean he can't be beat.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
@taiji218 I think al that Mikhails has been killing is entire buckets of KFC chicken!!
ONENIGGER2ANOTHER 1 year ago
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@taiji218 I can beat the shit out of you with my keyboard.
zekal10 1 year ago
@taiji218 "in combat multiple times"....with a friend called Kalashnikov :D
player1CR 1 year ago
Russains ripping of Aikido and passing it off as there own??
but your movements looks like crap,you guys should of stole sabaki....and the drills as well.
stop bending at the hips!!! every time you bend...you face down??
how can this be a combat system,when you facing down??
rule no.1 eyes on target
Shinkatana420 2 years ago
All I see in aikido is practitioners bending at the waist. Try a real system, like ninpo taijutsu, where they use their legs. As for Systema, it is for combat, while aikido has been turned into a "moving meditation". That's why BJJ has pulled ahead of it so easily.
varanid9 2 years ago
bjj is acutlly the Goshin no Te scroll of old Ryu-ha Jujutsu.
and is also a part of Aikido Jujutsu as well.
bending at the waist isnt good for any style i guess.
i like all the styles u named,there basically practicing the same things jus in differeant ways.
Shinkatana420 2 years ago
I think the bending at the waist was because of the style of dress back in feudal japan. You may find this hard to believe, but I left behind my taijutsu training to follow a "traditional" chinese instructor, but having grown up a gangster, he knew how to actually apply his system. I have never found another MA school to even come close, including BJJ. It isn't the style, it's the experience of the teacher. Modern life just doesn't allow for a lot, that's why MAs died out.
varanid9 2 years ago
That's why I like Systema. I studied russian while in the army, and they are absolutely brutally practical in the way they develop anything, and this is derived from real-world deadly combat, not a ring, tournament or octagon. But I have also seen some bullshit passed off by russian "entrepeneurs" as "SPETSNAZ" combat, now that their secrets are gaining popularity with the rest of the world. It's the new capitalism, comrade!
varanid9 2 years ago
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what crap boxers lose their eyesight due to straight punches,they get bad eyes due to getting punched in them as soon as this guy said that you know hes full of shit or should i say doughnuts.!!!!!!
RedJellyable 2 years ago
Why you are writing on internet?
Why you aint trying systema?
And BTW, human is best at old age, can you explain that?
I know one fat man who had put your kind of small thinking karate twats unconsious.
I guess someday you will understand that being athletic is just factor, not points.
svanari 2 years ago
he still IS in the Russian Army. He is a Colonel and advisor to the Minister of Justice. His specialty? counter terrorism/hostage rescue: When he was younger, he was much thinner.
talkfan 2 years ago
Hi everybody!! :D
berner 2 years ago 2
It's no scam and what martial art do you do? I would love to see u at a systema seminar saying the same thing to either Vlad, Mikhail, or Kadochnikov who are all ex - Spetznaz operators. Mikhail is still employed by the Russian military btw. You have no idea what you are talking about and you have no fucking idea about what sophistication in martial arts is all about. Whatever keyboard warrior...
talkfan 2 years ago 8
@talkfan I do REAL combat sports. U know how many guys who tell you they were SEALS were actually Navy cooks. Go to an MMA or Muay Thai gym or a judo dojo and see what that training is like. Oh, I forgot thats not "real life fighting." Or, you probably tried to train in a REAL sports but couldn't take it. So, keep doing spectacular flips for your instructor at seminars and maybe he'll certify you. Sophistication?! BJJ is sophistication. Systema is theoretical choreography.
tungusodessa 1 year ago
@tungusodessa BJJ -BY ITSELF- is a stupid fighting style. It assumes you won't be on cement or gravel, and that your opponent is gonna play nice and fair, and not poke you in the eyes, hit you in the balls, or get his buddies to stomp you. It's got too many openings as a standalone fighting style.
Unitzero25 1 year ago
@tungusodessa bbj is mess.Kaodchnikov style ROSS combat sambo KRav MAGA and tKD is really good shit.i did akido and bbj and its mess against more than one opponenet outside a ring.Systema from the 90's as thought by vlad is really good and by sonny puzikas.he makes his work really realistic from what ive seen.ryabko=lack of skillz
Trinieffects 1 year ago
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tungusodessa 1 year ago
@talkfan hMM. mR.KADOCHNIKOV thats one grandfather im afraid of but yet love to see him work .he's so innovative and transended RMA to the place it is.He really the grandfather of RMA.Vlasiliev is a nice guy.love his training style from the 90's.he is really a the best master of systema with THE MOST SKILL.ryabko...imo i know my capabalities and most likely i could knock out his ass and leave him dribbling.ill hit him a puch to "make him happy"
Trinieffects 1 year ago
Ok, you`re on. I will see if there`s any Systema here in Vancouver, BC(I`m Canadian now). I will see how judo and western boxing stacks up against Systema. If Systema proves me wrong, I will be open to learning it.
davesujo 2 years ago 3
I know about Fedor cuz I`m a member of the American Sambo Association and he often trains at the ASA club in NY.
I also know how to box and the punching I am seeing here(as well as your explanation) is horrible.
In my opinion, these guys are con men selling bullshit to Americans, because Americans are stupid and will buy it. Same scam the Chinese and Koreans have been pulling with kung fu and tae kwon do
davesujo 2 years ago
@devesujo.....the fact that ur willing to try Systema, earns u respect with me anyways. If u meet Vlad or Mikhail and still think it's garbage, I will respect you for at least trying it.
talkfan 2 years ago 2
Oleg`s been retired for almost 10 years now. There is absolutely ZERO systema in Fedor`s style. Maybe you should research your facts before you use so called examples. Also, I`ve taken plenty of punches by big Russian who actually know how to box, so I ain`T worried about some old fat guy who doesn`t know how to put his hip into his punch. And don`t give me that wing chun style "taking power from the ground" shit.
davesujo 2 years ago
how would you know if there is or there isn't any Systema in Fedor's style? You don't know Systema and it's not a technique based system. It's a principle based system. When used in combat/fighting it doesn't look like the drills and exercises you see here. Systema striking doesn't come from the hip or the ground. They stem from the lower back to created a certain type of impact. You have no idea about what your talking about. Spare the condescending remarks on a style you've never experienced
shazsanfrancisco 2 years ago
What grounds or basis do you have for DISPROVING this? You haven't gotten up from behind your keyboard and tried this unique form of body mechanics. Do yourself a favor.<