Which?: Electrical work in the home - what can you do?

[ASBOdisposalsystem]

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[oharaf1]

This EXPERT says "If you want to Installa a shower or a SOCKET in the bathroom"

I think perhaps you really should take this video down and get an EXPERT to guide you through a new one!!!

[banallsheds]

@oharaf1 - sockets can be installed in bathrooms, 3m or more from the edge of Zone 1.

Which, ironically, make them non-notifiable, so more errors in the video.

@ Which - "Simplifying" things for the consumer must not equate to telling them things which aren't true just because you think they cannot cope with the truth, and it is wrong that an organisation like yours should think it does.

[europatterson]

Electrical work dosent have to be carried out by a competent person?! Fuck me, no wonder we make you licenced poms do 6 months more at college before we give you an aussie licence!

[WhichWebsite]

@Batstercat @dale76uk Sorry about the delayed reply. Looking at your comments it seems that what you are saying is that we have used slightly incorrect terminology for some of the references, like 'Part-P electrician' or 'Part-P certificate'. Although these things might not be the exact wording, this video is aimed at the lay person and as such uses phrasing that will be easy for them to remember.

Although those terms are not strictly correct they do cover the essence of what is required.

[Batstercat]

@WhichWebsite It's more than 'slightly incorrect terminology' it's simply incorrect. As for the lay person, surely the truth is better than the opposite.

What I am suggesting is that your expert should actually know what he is talking about and he would certainly benefit from attending a course where his knowledge could be brought up to an adequate standard.

I commend to you dale76uk's suggestion - the trainers there are excellent.

[dale76uk]

@WhichWebsite why not simplify it by saying a 'competent person' as defined by BS7671??? by referring to 'Part P Electricians' is like saying call a 'Part J - Plumber'. Its very difficult then re-educate the lay person into explaining that there is no such thing as a 'Part P - Electrician or Part P Certificate'.

[dale76uk]

Message for Pete Tinen (feat. in this video).

Think you need some training before you call yourself an 'EXPERT'.

Visit w w w . e l e c t r i c a l t r a i n i n g . c o . u k

[WhichWebsite]

@Batstercat @dale76uk (Cont.) Some work needs to be carried out either by a tradesman that is Competent and approved for doing work that is covered by Part P (or in short and Part P electrician), once that work is complete that person must provide documentation that it was carried out by a Competent person (or in short, a Part P certificate).

Thanks for pointing things out but the aim of these videos is to simplify things for the consumer and make it easier for them to ask for the right thing.

[dale76uk]

0:54secs  You need it inspected

No mention of Inspection and Testing! :-)

[dale76uk]

i want to be a 'Part P - Electrician'

[Batstercat]

I made lots of comment, but they don't appear to have been addressed. Never mind, you are in the dark, along with the majority of so-called 'experts' out there.

[EtsLtd]

The Government approved Document P (electrical safety) came into effect on 1 Jan 2005.For the first time work carried out by domestic electrical installers became subject to the requirements and procedures associated with Building Control. Domestic electrical installers need to appreciate the requirements that apply to building work they carry out in connection with their electrical work,and they need to understand the way that Building Control works and the procedures that need to be followed.

[Batstercat]

For accurate information, read Approved Document P and be careful of terminology. The building trades are rife with inaccurate and often misleading terminology and a follow-my-leader approach to training.

The approved documents can be found by searching for 'Planning Portal professional'.

I hope that helps

[Batstercat]

2:24 Again, there is no such thing as a 'Part P Certificate'.

3:00 rewires 'often' covered by Part P. Rewires are ALWAYS covered by Part P.

There is a running theme that some work is covered by Part P and some not. This is inaccurate - ALL electrical work in and in relation to dwellings is expressly included in the scope of Part P. Minor electrical work in non-hazardous locations may not need notifying, but all work is covered and all should be done by competent persons, qualified or otherwise.

[Batstercat]

Also, the LABC does not have to issue any certification under a building notice submission, whereas an electrician (registered or not) MUST issue a certificate to comply with BS7671.

Electrician or DIY, notifiable work should be logged with the LABC

2:00 It is suggested that you can change the light fitting in a kitchen without notifying, but nothing else. In fact you may replace ANY item of current-using equipment and any accessory (switch, socket, etc) in any location without notifying. (Cont)

[Batstercat]

0:38 You MUST be competent, whether in trade or DIY. EAWR 1989 and BS7671 refer.

0:49 There is no such thing as a 'Part P Electrician'. The term 'registered electrician' is more accurate, referring to electricians registered on government-approved competent persons schemes. (Some tradesmen believe themselves to be 'Part P', having attended a course which has merely provided an academic entry requirement for such a scheme.)

1:40 No such thing as a 'Part P Certificate'.... (cont)

[Batstercat]

There are many, many incorrect statements in this video. The trouble is, most electricians do not know the rules either!

[WhichWebsite]

Hi @Batstercat if you let us know what you think are the incorrect points we will try to address them.

Thanks

[vim949]

@WhichWebsite Well you couldn't put a socket (except a shaver socket) in that bathroom for a start. Also no mention that the 'part-p' rules only cover England and Wales and not Scotland (or NI?). Your 'wet rooms' advice is a bit off - a cloakroom does not have the same rules as a room containing a bath or shower.