Can someone please watch the journolist videos and analysis the meanings behind it. Possibly explore how obama was given nothing but great press, anything negative about him was intentionally ignored. Please, put down your idealogy, and type it in on youtube and watch. There are some very persuasive evidence that there were liberals who were doing everything they could to elect obama
Cenk totally whitewashes the journolist scandal...and so did the MSM, aside from Fox News, god the irony. Do you people not find it disturbing that journalists wanted to kill the press on the reverend??! This was an expose of a group of significant journalists privately collaborating ways in which to aid a president...
This doesn't disgust you?
Think about the reaction if this was done in the Bush times and exposed like this...
Everything is a conspiracy to the conservatives. Science, the media, higher education, etc. If it doesn't sync with their lifestyle of ignorance, born privilege, and hate, then it's a Satan-driven conspiracy. Someone send these people back to the dark ages where they belong.
And the "Leaning Tower of Pisa" is not leaning. The media has always been slanted to the left going back to the 60's. The problem is that the liberal media is so far left, it was nowhere else to go and that is what you fools are calling "slanted to the rigth."
The "liberal media" and "Obama is a socialist" bullshit is a scheme to push us even further to the right...even though polls show the population is to the LEFT of the ENTIRE political spectrum. Wake up conservatives.
The entire "Liberal Media" nonsense the right always spews is total fantasy. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Every single independent, scientific study ever conducted has shown that, overall, the Media in this country tends to skew center-right. The problem is that the people you always hear harping on about the "Liberal Media" are the far-right wackos - the ones who perceive "center-right" views as being leftist, because center-right happens to be quite far to the left of where they are.
@BloatedSensations Okay jackwagon, I'll call you out on this. How about you cite all of these independent, scientific studies conducted regarding the media. Show me who funded them and what the conclusions were. I'll wait!
^_^
Oh, wait... there *aren't* any bipartisan or non-partisan independent scientific studies conducted on the media as a whole?
Corporations = private tyrannies that put the intere$ts of their share holders above the public trust, often have DEEP right-wing $ political ties, work closely with govt to sell The Big Lies, are NOT liberal/democratic in structure/intent, and to a disturbing degree have all three branches of the US govt bought & paid for.
The US has a phony, brainwashed representative democracy, and typically conducts hegemony/wars of aggression under equally phony premises with fascist ulterior agendas.
NO, 95% of TV and Print media are Left Wing Progressive-Socialist Statists promoting the idea the Socialism is "Progress" and that we NEED a "Big Brother" gov't. This is propaganda.
Statists promote the lie that Fascism & Socialism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum when the TRUTH is that there LESS gov't is the opposite of MORE gov't therefore Collective Socialism & National Socialism (Facism) are to the FAR LEFT of the Political Spectrum.
@yakyakyak69 i dont recall him saying anything about stormtroopers. weirdo. But the Right needs to make laws outlawing sex and marriage and gonna force people to be catholic or some nonsense in schools. The definition of government control.
Statism is Statism. The RINO Statists want regulate marriage. The Progressive-Statists want to regulate everythingAND place people into classes so they can more easily redistribute for "social Fairness" disregarding EQUAL fairness.
When ONE group uses crony politicians to write laws which redistribute the wealth of another group (wealth is representative of labor and life span) then the first group is IN FACT enslaving the second group.
@grendelee BTW, where did I use the word "storm troopers"?
I do want to point out that the Fabian Socialists came up with the idea of eugincs and gas chambers, then shared those ideas with the German National Socialist Worker's Party (NAZI) during WW-II.
Socialist Gov'ts have murdered 170 Million of their own citizens in Soviet Russia, China, Nazi Germany, Vietnam, Uganda, Cambodia, Guatemala and Rwanda among others.
A SMALL & WEAK central gov't = a Safe, FREE & Prosperous people!
It's interesting that a Progressive Fabian Socialist would compare Republicans to genocidal, global killing storm troopers. Is this not a FACT you typed this? lol what the fuck is wrong with you?
@yakyakyak69 1 week ago: "It was the Progressive Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw who came up with the idea of Gas Chambers and Eugenics and then SHARED the idea of storm troopers & genocide it with the NAZI German National Socialist Workers Party leading up to WWII."
Genocide requires a VERY powerful totalitarian society of the type that formed under Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc and is now forming under ObaMao as power is concentrated while free speech and the right to have the ability for SELF-defense is under attack.
Both the Communal-Socialists (Mao, Stalin etc.) and National Socialists (NAZIS) commit genocide for political and eugenic communal "purity".
@yakyakyak69 Now, I will reply to your comment to me: We live in a very complex society with many small taxes levied for various reasons like auto registrations and emissions certifications because some people steal cars and some people drive smoke bombs and we, as a society, have decided on a minimal right to healthy air regulation. We have property and municipal taxes for police, fire, roads, schools, traffic regulation, zoning regulation, sewers etcetera.
We have libraries full of texts on contract law, criminal law, tax law, civil law because we ARE a society in which the rule of law is regulated through a system that is a compromise between the potential anarchy of pure democracy and the oligarchical rule of a pure republic. That it is complex and often deeply frustrating is undeniable, but YOU (assuming you are a citizen) still have the right to print attacks against the government. You have the right to register as a candidate and run ...
... for office. You have the right (assuming you are not a convicted criminal) to move almost anywhere in the country (except for, say, military bases), and seek employment without some bureaucrat's permission. The Democrats are FAR from perfect, but it was the Republicans who passed legislation bankrupting the Federal Budget, it was G.W. Bush and Darth Cheney who created a war based on lies, which they declared would last generations. Get your head out of your butt and address the REAL issues.
Concentrating power in DC to promote social justice over equal justice is WRONG and a VERY dangerous thing to do. Monopoly kills competition, concentrates power and leads to corruption. That is why our founders wrote the Bill of Rights including the 10th Amendment which ended the ambiguity in the Commerce & General Welfare clauses leaving power to the States & People.
Statists ALWAYS use ambiguity to "interpret" more power for themselves which leads to totalitarianism.
@yakyakyak69 You know, I've met and interacted with people from all over the world, including immigrants from Kenya and Central America, and what they all say is, "It's not perfect here, but it's better." As long as the Constitution and Bill of Rights stand, the struggle that has been the USA from the beginning will continue. Politicians are NOT in for life, you still have the right to own a firearm, and all the rest is 300+million people trying to figure out how to live together.
Evil people seek power. Good people want to live and let live.
This is why a VERY weak central gov't with widely distributed power to the States and to We, the People (from which ALL gov't power flows) is the ONLY way to keep totalitarianism from terrorizing We, the People.
Power naturally concentrates and corrupts and THAT is why it must NOT be allowed to concentrate in DC.
Redistribution concentrates power and creates cronyism.
@yakyakyak69 I've never really had a problem with the idea of "big government" because the only arguments I hear against it are too many taxes, and I have no problem with taxes. . . Now this is an argument I can understand. . . It's true very few good, honest people seek that much power! (For example, I HONESTLY believe Jon Stewart would make a better president than anyone who's run in my lifetime. . . but as if he would want that job!)
You SHOULD have a problem with Big Gov't because power naturally concentrates and corrupts. The bigger the gov't, the more power they have over our daily lives. The more power gov't has, the less liberty & the less prosperity we have.
It takes a powerful central gov''t like the USSR, Red China, The NAZIS, N. Korea etc. etc. to have the military might and corruption to commit genocide on their own population.
Like our founders, YOU should be afraid...VERY afraid.
@yakyakyak69 The argument AGAINST "a VERY weak central gov't with widely distributed power to the States" was, the USA as such a structure under the Articles of Confederation, was TOO weak to provide the necessary legal infrastructure for a complex, large, growing society. I am not afraid of a governmental totalitarianism, at least not at this time. I am far more concerned about the growing power of the CORPORACRACY, the collusion between the military contractors, big energy & big banks.
It's interesting that a Progressive Fabian Socialist would compare Republicans to genocidal, global killing storm troopers.
It was the Progressive Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw who came up with the idea of Gas Chambers and Eugenics and then SHARED the idea of storm troopers & genocide it with the NAZI German National Socialist Workers Party leading up to WWII.
Progressive-Socialists scream "Look over there” while they burn down your house.
@GamerztimeX20 I didnt say Americans are stupid. I said it that they like to be entertained and may that we are also a little lazy. Thats why I watch fox news for the entertaiment not the news. Can you give an example where any of the major networks went out of there way to get Obama elected? Like say for example organizing rallies like Fox News did for the tea party. Or maybe where they donated money to democrats like Fox News did for republicans.
its true that the lliberal media has almost no power compared to the conservative party. but, i think in a couple of more years....things will change. FINGERS CROSSED.
Noam Chomsky talks about this. It's about "asserting the opposite". Once you've narrowed it down to the one acceptable question, "Are the media too liberal?" they then argue that by asking, "Which way do journalists, vote." They don't look at the content of what is reported. Read more about the myth of the liberal media here,
First of all, what did Rev. Wright say that was wrong? I hate how he's dismissed as crazy by both liberals and conservatives. He may be irrelevant, but he did he say anything that wasn't true? No, he's just irrelevant and crazy, and Fox and ABC always hold politicians accountable for the lies they tell us. And Rev. Wright's just getting in the way of that.
@OccamsView Fail on your part - 'Journolist' is the name of the list of liberal journalist's. IF you bothered to read the actual list this is based on you'd know this.
the reason they think its "liberal" is because they are so right wing that anything to the left of them is liberal marxist maoist and any other words that end with 'ist' they can think of. Its smart though, they make the media act conservative as to prove they arent liberal. They wont ever attack the argument, just attack the person and label with 'ist' words. Effective use of propaganda.
even conservatives wont deny fox news is conservative and is by far the biggest media source out there.
I have my share of consertive values, but way the nut jobs act, I honsetly don't care if they call me a librial. I would rather be called a librial than acaully be an asshole consertive. It is not worth it.
The reason I think that liberal media does not have as much pull as conservative media is becasue they are not as sensational. Liberal media tends to restrict its self to facts and statistics, and am sorry but facts in our nation just dont get ratings. Conservative news has become a spectical like reality tv. But hey thats just my opinion I suggest you watch both conservative news like Bill Oreilly and compare it to its counterpart Racheal Maddow Show for a month and fact check their claims.
@DarthKap you conservatives peddle words with out checking the true meaning like neocon, hitler, socialist and so on you people are really happy yes you guys need to take a good look at real problems in other parts of the world like africa and certain parts of europe and see how lucky you guys are and stop peddling idle talk..... i guess if you really had problems u would not be bloging this shit ....
@ddman10001 Conservative? I'm afraid not. Thanks for baseless stereotyping though.
Do you know how Hitler even came to power? Ever read about some of his "social programs"? It's amazing how well you can throw out today's meaningless slogans and talking points, but know so very little about the history behind the words you speak.
I know I have it well. I'm more concerned about the future if things continue to "progress" towards big goverment. If you knew history, you would as well.
@coosoorlog From what I read he's completely made up of paradoxes. He defends free markets, while advocating the masses should pay taxes as a "badge of liberty, not of slavery." In addition, he also held the belief that the masses should pay for the improvement of the monarch's lifestyle something I think we would agree isn't in the best interests of the People.
It has nothing to due with the fact both socialists and fascists require goverment power to push thier social programs.
@DarthKap Wow, dude, you should read more, and not some presentist hogwash. Adam Smith is the father of Liberalism, which in definition is belief in free markets and individual liberty.
@Useyno In other words you hate the conservative media when they aren't doing fluff pieces about images of jesus in trees and which celebrity is going to prison for what this week.
@jensen1901 You call yourself a Liberal, but you really are a Marxist. Thats why you took offense to my comment. The Liberals and their Marxist media do nothing but sabotage our country to support Obama's Communist schemes, you cant fool anyone. Liberals do nothing for the country, they support Marxism, they support Gays, they support the deficit, they support this Marxist Health Care which you have to buy or you go to jail. Stop watching Maddow and Olbermans marxist propaganda
And "Marxist Health Care"? Are you kidding? That bill is full of concessions to the corporations, and loopholes they can exploit, and it won't even take effect until 2014.
Oh, and as for going to jail if you don't buy insurance, that's nowhere in the bill, and nothing like that would have been necessary if the public option hadn't been thrown out.
@jensen1901 I dont "hate" Marxists. Just like a typical Liberal, you twist word's to try and smear someone, wont work on me Libby(Marxist). You managed to call me racist and Nazi-like. How do you know Hitler's quotes from his book ????? Hmmmm
... im gonna let that one go on beck and hannity...
anyway, i dont know why someone would read it im just saying its out there somewhere. hell google Mein Kamp or whatever its called you'll probably find it.
@MarcoBrolo So I'm a traitor for not liking someone's books? That's beyond rediculous. A "Real American Patriot" would respect other people's opinions, or at least not resort to name-calling if he/she disagrees.
And I said ALL books with a political slant tend to be boring, not just books by those guys.
@MarcoBrolo You do realize that the Nazi party and Marxism are completely different right? You can not mix two opposing view points like that.
Typical brainwashed hate-monger. Having no facts. Just yell out random, barely thought out words and hope to god that you can gather some anger and riots.
Maybe that'll work out for you one of these days, but hopefully not.
The are few media outlets who are ostensibly bias such as Fox (though they don't admit it) MSNBC, etc. However, most of the major news networks don't have a strong bias towards the left or the right. If they have any bias at all it is towards sensationalism.
@pennjersey83 NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and The New York Times may be 'liberal" but that does not stop them from happily repeating stories that are pushed or created by the conservative media.
Pushed or created by conservative media?? are u insane? Liberal media and films push a liberal agenda all year and have done a good job creating a liberal culture.
@pennjersey83 Considering this video is discussing news bias I am making no comment on films or TV, though that can be argued as well.
The conservative news organisations will run a story then they will run another story about how they are the only people talking about the issue. Within hours the other networks will being parroting the story with the same misinformation that the conservative media included (e.g., Acorn, "New" Black Panthers, Sherod, Climate-gate, etc.).
Sorry, honey. But ABC and CNN are hardly liberal. ABC, if you remember, is owned by Disney and they aired the right wing propaganda movie "The Path to 9/11."
Nearly every single AM talk radio station in the US is owned by and run by conservatives and they all play only right wing hosts (Savage, Rush, Hannity etc).
Yes Hollywood is liberal, but that is not news media. That's movies. And conservatives are welcome to make them too. They just happen to suck at it.
If you are calling me "honey" I hope you are a woman, because I am a man. You're right, abc may not be liberal but CNN is somewhat on the liberal side. Also, liberals control the movie industy and you want to compare that to talk radio? I don;t know about you but I dont listen to talk radio I'd rather listen to music. But I, and all of america has seen a movie made by liberal hollywood. Most major film companies won't produce a movie mad by a conservative.
President Sarah Palin will fully expose the liberal bias of our lamestream leftist media and completely convert it into Palinist Christian Conservative Media. Fox News is the MOST POWERFUL news network on the planet today for it is backed by GOD HERSELF!
GOP use that "liberal media" crap to take US Neocon Media FURTHER TO THE FASCIST RIGHT-WING. All Neocon Media want to be as Insane, Fascist & Corrupt as FoxNoise.
Right-wing using the "liberal media" lie to deny facts. The whole concept's a myth concocted by GOP Neocons to bully news outlets into not making reich-wing look bad. It's fascism.
US media's not been liberal since beginning of TV, when McCarthy's witch hunt purged all real liberals from media.
I love when Cenk works in a poignant Star Trek reference to make his point so clearly to nerds like me. "Why does God need a space-ship?!" Classic, thank you Cenk! <3
@needparalegal, Seriously, though. What makes you say that? The fact is they *haven't* burned down the Senate, and *haven't* assumed dictatorial powers. And I'm not saying none of them would ever try it, I'm sure some of them aren't above that, but the fact remains they haven't.
Must we really stoop to their level and accuse them of being nazis when so far, they really just aren't? Isn't that what they're doing when the call Obama a communist, when he isn't even all that liberal?
@EyeLean5280 No, because they use everything the Nazis used. There are no simularities between Obama and a communist. Goebbels used racism, fear and jingoism based almost completely in deception just like the GOP does, no difference whatsoever. We progressives are in much less danger than the 1938 Jews and German liberals because we are heavily armed.
@needparalegal, Well, after last summer's town hall meetings on health care, I don't mind saying that I do think liberals ought to arm themselves (I personally don't know any who are "heavily armed") - or were you speaking metaphorically?
And while the tactics you mention were used by Goebbels, they predate him by quite a bit - take the Know Nothings, for example.
I'm sorry. Until the GOP enforces a 1 party state and commits racial genocide, it's unhelpful hyperbole to call them nazis.
@EyeLean5280 You don't think it would have been smart for liberals to have acted before Hitler implemented his Final Solution? No metaphor, we don't play golf in my circle, we do shooting sports. Never heard ot the "Know Nothings", though the greeks forced slaves to watch propaganda plays going back to at least 400 B.C, and recording false history has probably been going on since before writing.
@needparalegal, look, I'll be perfectly honest here. I'm worried, too. Very, very worried. So far, things aren't nearly as bad as in the 50s (police dogs attacking black children in the street and Senators threatening "massive resistance" to the Supreme Court), let alone the Civil War, our darkest hour as a nation. But things could head in a dangerous direction. I see that.
Still, I don't believe all Republicans are extremists, hence the battle between the T party & the establishment.
do you all think the liberals just "accidentally" let this come out for the conservatives?...... I mean it sounds like they sent them something and conservatives slammed there heads on the table to prove crap and make them look more stupid....just feels it and I say good job
This jerk turk is a liberal hack for sure. But he talks like a retard and the Journolist guys are too uppity to allow him to the club.
YayhooTube 6 months ago
@YayhooTube
1. It's Cenk.
2. Fuck off.
Eim30 5 months ago
@YayhooTube i like how they mispell the word journalist and youre too stupid to know that. youre the retard
redners11 1 week ago
@redners11 It is “JournoList.” Ezra Klein started the group for liberal reporters. Google it, goober. Learn to punctuate.
YayhooTube 1 week ago
"Senk Wiger" haha
LibertyInProgressNOW 9 months ago
These highly influential journalists collaborated together, making plans to help Obama get elected.... How is this not very, very eye opening...
willsbanana 10 months ago
Can someone please watch the journolist videos and analysis the meanings behind it. Possibly explore how obama was given nothing but great press, anything negative about him was intentionally ignored. Please, put down your idealogy, and type it in on youtube and watch. There are some very persuasive evidence that there were liberals who were doing everything they could to elect obama
willsbanana 10 months ago
Cenk totally whitewashes the journolist scandal...and so did the MSM, aside from Fox News, god the irony. Do you people not find it disturbing that journalists wanted to kill the press on the reverend??! This was an expose of a group of significant journalists privately collaborating ways in which to aid a president...
This doesn't disgust you?
Think about the reaction if this was done in the Bush times and exposed like this...
willsbanana 10 months ago
Cenk spins the journolist affair....
willsbanana 10 months ago
Democrats need to reclaim the word liberal.
JImmy4336 10 months ago
Everything is a conspiracy to the conservatives. Science, the media, higher education, etc. If it doesn't sync with their lifestyle of ignorance, born privilege, and hate, then it's a Satan-driven conspiracy. Someone send these people back to the dark ages where they belong.
gingerbreadcorpses 11 months ago
And the "Leaning Tower of Pisa" is not leaning. The media has always been slanted to the left going back to the 60's. The problem is that the liberal media is so far left, it was nowhere else to go and that is what you fools are calling "slanted to the rigth."
TheDrRJP 1 year ago
Journolist?
is that how you spell it?
redryan20000 1 year ago
@redryan20000 journalist is spelled journalist.
the LIST that the people were on is called journo-list. journolist.
taffysaur 10 months ago
Aren't these guys just a division of Soros's Media Matters.....
MrPennalto 1 year ago
The "liberal media" and "Obama is a socialist" bullshit is a scheme to push us even further to the right...even though polls show the population is to the LEFT of the ENTIRE political spectrum. Wake up conservatives.
tstruss912 1 year ago 2
btw, thats "journalism", misspelled a bit there?
horbergaren 1 year ago
The entire "Liberal Media" nonsense the right always spews is total fantasy. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Every single independent, scientific study ever conducted has shown that, overall, the Media in this country tends to skew center-right. The problem is that the people you always hear harping on about the "Liberal Media" are the far-right wackos - the ones who perceive "center-right" views as being leftist, because center-right happens to be quite far to the left of where they are.
BloatedSensations 1 year ago 14
@BloatedSensations we have that bullshit here in sweden to, but in here the socialists are blaming the libs to have a monopoly on the media
horbergaren 1 year ago
@BloatedSensations Okay jackwagon, I'll call you out on this. How about you cite all of these independent, scientific studies conducted regarding the media. Show me who funded them and what the conclusions were. I'll wait!
^_^
Oh, wait... there *aren't* any bipartisan or non-partisan independent scientific studies conducted on the media as a whole?
Prove me wrong, dude. I frakking *dare* you.
Zucca101 1 year ago
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Corporations = private tyrannies that put the intere$ts of their share holders above the public trust, often have DEEP right-wing $ political ties, work closely with govt to sell The Big Lies, are NOT liberal/democratic in structure/intent, and to a disturbing degree have all three branches of the US govt bought & paid for.
The US has a phony, brainwashed representative democracy, and typically conducts hegemony/wars of aggression under equally phony premises with fascist ulterior agendas.
TheeUnidentified 1 year ago
NO, 95% of TV and Print media are Left Wing Progressive-Socialist Statists promoting the idea the Socialism is "Progress" and that we NEED a "Big Brother" gov't. This is propaganda.
Statists promote the lie that Fascism & Socialism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum when the TRUTH is that there LESS gov't is the opposite of MORE gov't therefore Collective Socialism & National Socialism (Facism) are to the FAR LEFT of the Political Spectrum.
More Gov't = LESS Liberty Tyranny!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 i dont recall him saying anything about stormtroopers. weirdo. But the Right needs to make laws outlawing sex and marriage and gonna force people to be catholic or some nonsense in schools. The definition of government control.
grendelee 1 year ago
@grendelee
Statism is Statism. The RINO Statists want regulate marriage. The Progressive-Statists want to regulate everythingAND place people into classes so they can more easily redistribute for "social Fairness" disregarding EQUAL fairness.
When ONE group uses crony politicians to write laws which redistribute the wealth of another group (wealth is representative of labor and life span) then the first group is IN FACT enslaving the second group.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO ENSLAVE!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@grendelee BTW, where did I use the word "storm troopers"?
I do want to point out that the Fabian Socialists came up with the idea of eugincs and gas chambers, then shared those ideas with the German National Socialist Worker's Party (NAZI) during WW-II.
Socialist Gov'ts have murdered 170 Million of their own citizens in Soviet Russia, China, Nazi Germany, Vietnam, Uganda, Cambodia, Guatemala and Rwanda among others.
A SMALL & WEAK central gov't = a Safe, FREE & Prosperous people!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 in your comment, you fucking psycho
grendelee 1 year ago
@grendelee This is how you debate facts? LOSER
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 yakyakyak69
1 week ago
It's interesting that a Progressive Fabian Socialist would compare Republicans to genocidal, global killing storm troopers. Is this not a FACT you typed this? lol what the fuck is wrong with you?
grendelee 1 year ago
@grendelee
You are correct, I DID quote Nancy Pelosi when she compared the Tea Part to genocidal, global killing storm troopers. What is wrong with YOU?
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 "BTW, where did I use the word "storm troopers"?"
do you remember who said that?
grendelee 1 year ago
@grendelee The Speaker of the House of Representatives
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 1 week ago: "It was the Progressive Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw who came up with the idea of Gas Chambers and Eugenics and then SHARED the idea of storm troopers & genocide it with the NAZI German National Socialist Workers Party leading up to WWII."
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
@EternalRecursion Correct. That is true history.
Ms Pelosi is engaging in a False-Flag attack.
Genocide requires a VERY powerful totalitarian society of the type that formed under Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc and is now forming under ObaMao as power is concentrated while free speech and the right to have the ability for SELF-defense is under attack.
Both the Communal-Socialists (Mao, Stalin etc.) and National Socialists (NAZIS) commit genocide for political and eugenic communal "purity".
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 You had posted "@grendelee BTW, where did I use the word "storm troopers"?"
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
@EternalRecursion Actually I was quoting Nancy Pelosi when I used HER words "storm troopers".
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 Now, I will reply to your comment to me: We live in a very complex society with many small taxes levied for various reasons like auto registrations and emissions certifications because some people steal cars and some people drive smoke bombs and we, as a society, have decided on a minimal right to healthy air regulation. We have property and municipal taxes for police, fire, roads, schools, traffic regulation, zoning regulation, sewers etcetera.
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
We have libraries full of texts on contract law, criminal law, tax law, civil law because we ARE a society in which the rule of law is regulated through a system that is a compromise between the potential anarchy of pure democracy and the oligarchical rule of a pure republic. That it is complex and often deeply frustrating is undeniable, but YOU (assuming you are a citizen) still have the right to print attacks against the government. You have the right to register as a candidate and run ...
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
... for office. You have the right (assuming you are not a convicted criminal) to move almost anywhere in the country (except for, say, military bases), and seek employment without some bureaucrat's permission. The Democrats are FAR from perfect, but it was the Republicans who passed legislation bankrupting the Federal Budget, it was G.W. Bush and Darth Cheney who created a war based on lies, which they declared would last generations. Get your head out of your butt and address the REAL issues.
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
@EternalRecursion
Concentrating power in DC to promote social justice over equal justice is WRONG and a VERY dangerous thing to do. Monopoly kills competition, concentrates power and leads to corruption. That is why our founders wrote the Bill of Rights including the 10th Amendment which ended the ambiguity in the Commerce & General Welfare clauses leaving power to the States & People.
Statists ALWAYS use ambiguity to "interpret" more power for themselves which leads to totalitarianism.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 You know, I've met and interacted with people from all over the world, including immigrants from Kenya and Central America, and what they all say is, "It's not perfect here, but it's better." As long as the Constitution and Bill of Rights stand, the struggle that has been the USA from the beginning will continue. Politicians are NOT in for life, you still have the right to own a firearm, and all the rest is 300+million people trying to figure out how to live together.
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
@EternalRecursion On THIS, we can agree.
Evil people seek power. Good people want to live and let live.
This is why a VERY weak central gov't with widely distributed power to the States and to We, the People (from which ALL gov't power flows) is the ONLY way to keep totalitarianism from terrorizing We, the People.
Power naturally concentrates and corrupts and THAT is why it must NOT be allowed to concentrate in DC.
Redistribution concentrates power and creates cronyism.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 I've never really had a problem with the idea of "big government" because the only arguments I hear against it are too many taxes, and I have no problem with taxes. . . Now this is an argument I can understand. . . It's true very few good, honest people seek that much power! (For example, I HONESTLY believe Jon Stewart would make a better president than anyone who's run in my lifetime. . . but as if he would want that job!)
Madelynn1984 1 year ago
@Madelynn1984
You SHOULD have a problem with Big Gov't because power naturally concentrates and corrupts. The bigger the gov't, the more power they have over our daily lives. The more power gov't has, the less liberty & the less prosperity we have.
It takes a powerful central gov''t like the USSR, Red China, The NAZIS, N. Korea etc. etc. to have the military might and corruption to commit genocide on their own population.
Like our founders, YOU should be afraid...VERY afraid.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
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@yakyakyak69 The argument AGAINST "a VERY weak central gov't with widely distributed power to the States" was, the USA as such a structure under the Articles of Confederation, was TOO weak to provide the necessary legal infrastructure for a complex, large, growing society. I am not afraid of a governmental totalitarianism, at least not at this time. I am far more concerned about the growing power of the CORPORACRACY, the collusion between the military contractors, big energy & big banks.
EternalRecursion 1 year ago
Cenk Uygur The recruiter:) Hope you expose right wing media like fox, for what it is, pure propaganda!
broken1nail 1 year ago
It's interesting that a Progressive Fabian Socialist would compare Republicans to genocidal, global killing storm troopers.
It was the Progressive Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw who came up with the idea of Gas Chambers and Eugenics and then SHARED the idea of storm troopers & genocide it with the NAZI German National Socialist Workers Party leading up to WWII.
Progressive-Socialists scream "Look over there” while they burn down your house.
Too many look away.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 I think youre on the wrong video, lol
grendelee 1 year ago
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yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@GamerztimeX20 I didnt say Americans are stupid. I said it that they like to be entertained and may that we are also a little lazy. Thats why I watch fox news for the entertaiment not the news. Can you give an example where any of the major networks went out of there way to get Obama elected? Like say for example organizing rallies like Fox News did for the tea party. Or maybe where they donated money to democrats like Fox News did for republicans.
UDamDirtyApes 1 year ago
Oh, those neocon bastards don't know what's commin. You hear that?
IT'S THE MUTHAFUCKING KRAKEN!
TYT Army FTW!
CommandoDude 1 year ago
phew, thought that was journalist spelt wrong at first.
up2trix 1 year ago
yeah, your not liberal at all.
working for MSNBC is a sign of being conserative.
quezcatol 1 year ago
Every time Cenk quotes Star Trek 5... an angel loses it's wings, but a human becomes a free-thinker.
banonKING 1 year ago 18
That Zenc Wyger Guy gotta be on the list... lol
Parralyzed 1 year ago
LOL @ the typo in the title never getting fixed... XD
OcularPolitics 1 year ago
@OcularPolitics Which Typo? Journolist? That's not a typo... That's the name of the list.
watermelonygoodness 1 year ago
I all of the sudden got a song by Anti-Flag stuck in my head... "Underground Network Alternative Communication!!" Yeah....
MikeandSara88 1 year ago
Cenk you have been listed armed men with guns will pick you up soon to protect the rest of the population from your voice good day sir!
Tony007corp 1 year ago
lol, "senk wayger"
erjoalgo 1 year ago
Ya that Senk Whyger guy is a trouble maker :)
We're Comin For Ya!!
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
its true that the lliberal media has almost no power compared to the conservative party. but, i think in a couple of more years....things will change. FINGERS CROSSED.
elmirasahar 1 year ago
journolist?
WoWBronxe 1 year ago
ANARCHY!!! IT'S THE ONLY ANSWER WE MUST UNITE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT STOP THE RACITS B.S. IT IS PLANTED THERE BY GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS!!!
FxOxC 1 year ago
@FxOxC
hmm
now that the government is in bed with corporations, that doesnt sound too radical anymore
erjoalgo 1 year ago
"Senk Whygur" rofl
I love TYT
MelleB90 1 year ago
Of COURSE it's B.S. The media is so fucking conservative that I want to PROJECTILE VOMIT.
geminidave 1 year ago
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Kmagic6 1 year ago
Noam Chomsky talks about this. It's about "asserting the opposite". Once you've narrowed it down to the one acceptable question, "Are the media too liberal?" they then argue that by asking, "Which way do journalists, vote." They don't look at the content of what is reported. Read more about the myth of the liberal media here,
bit .ly/aqHYxN
Command0182 1 year ago
ARE YOU KIDDING ME... HEY TYT I don't know if it's possible but if it IS then you should keep tabs on what advertisements they push on your videos..
I mean COME ON continue the bush tax cuts to ensure a secure economy!?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
LMAO star trek & south park reference why does god need a spaceship
KurtLang 1 year ago
@KurtLang - I know, I Loved It! As soon as he said it, I started laughing & was happy as hell.
I remember that line from 1 of the Star Trek movies.
Renisance2K 1 year ago
"Senk Wyger" LOOOOLLLLLL
cenk could possibly be one of the most hilarious show hosts ive ever seen in my life.
aeolismensae 1 year ago
Journolist???
lloydreggie 1 year ago
First of all, what did Rev. Wright say that was wrong? I hate how he's dismissed as crazy by both liberals and conservatives. He may be irrelevant, but he did he say anything that wasn't true? No, he's just irrelevant and crazy, and Fox and ABC always hold politicians accountable for the lies they tell us. And Rev. Wright's just getting in the way of that.
Motionedout 1 year ago
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lloydreggie 1 year ago
That SANK WHYGER! UGH
PISTOLcm 1 year ago
'Journolist' - spelling fail.
OccamsView 1 year ago
@OccamsView Fail on your part - 'Journolist' is the name of the list of liberal journalist's. IF you bothered to read the actual list this is based on you'd know this.
BenjaminFranklin2u 1 year ago
@BenjaminFranklin2u - yeah, I posted too soon.
OccamsView 1 year ago
wow a stear trek 5 refrence lol
gutshot564 1 year ago
The Media is Zionist, not necessarily Liberal, but definitely Neocon.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS ..."Zionist?"
GarlicPudding 1 year ago
@GarlicPudding
The Neocons, and Shills in the Media, pushing America to fight Israel's enemies.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
Loved the Star Trek line, Kirk to Sybok "Why does god need a spaceship?"
thenewvoice8 1 year ago
Cenk with the Star Trek speak lol
chestveeg 1 year ago
the reason they think its "liberal" is because they are so right wing that anything to the left of them is liberal marxist maoist and any other words that end with 'ist' they can think of. Its smart though, they make the media act conservative as to prove they arent liberal. They wont ever attack the argument, just attack the person and label with 'ist' words. Effective use of propaganda.
even conservatives wont deny fox news is conservative and is by far the biggest media source out there.
bucnasty14 1 year ago
I have my share of consertive values, but way the nut jobs act, I honsetly don't care if they call me a librial. I would rather be called a librial than acaully be an asshole consertive. It is not worth it.
almweb2083 1 year ago
Why does god need a spaceship? That's from Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country.
athews1976 1 year ago
@athews1976 It's "what does god need with a starship" not spaceship. lol I just showed my nerdieness.
TheDeadhead76 1 year ago
@TheDeadhead76
Oh good. You're the nerd then X[] hehehe...
athews1976 1 year ago
@athews1976 lmao yeah i'm a hippie nerd :-)
TheDeadhead76 1 year ago
@athews1976 oh yeah and it was star trek V final froniter
TheDeadhead76 1 year ago
The reason I think that liberal media does not have as much pull as conservative media is becasue they are not as sensational. Liberal media tends to restrict its self to facts and statistics, and am sorry but facts in our nation just dont get ratings. Conservative news has become a spectical like reality tv. But hey thats just my opinion I suggest you watch both conservative news like Bill Oreilly and compare it to its counterpart Racheal Maddow Show for a month and fact check their claims.
UDamDirtyApes 1 year ago 13
@UDamDirtyApes Translation: It's only factual if I agree with it.
rgmztxy 1 year ago
Star Trek quote :D
StewieSwan 1 year ago
HAHA STAR TREK V!
Terrible movie, but excellent reference.
Tokopol 1 year ago
Wow, Star Trek reference.
cjdaweasel 1 year ago
Liberalism is the opposite of Marxism
coosoorlog 1 year ago
@coosoorlog What on Earth are you talking about? Both liberalism and Marxism both want more goverment regulation to increase their power.
DarthKap 1 year ago
@DarthKap you conservatives peddle words with out checking the true meaning like neocon, hitler, socialist and so on you people are really happy yes you guys need to take a good look at real problems in other parts of the world like africa and certain parts of europe and see how lucky you guys are and stop peddling idle talk..... i guess if you really had problems u would not be bloging this shit ....
ddman10001 1 year ago
@ddman10001 Conservative? I'm afraid not. Thanks for baseless stereotyping though.
Do you know how Hitler even came to power? Ever read about some of his "social programs"? It's amazing how well you can throw out today's meaningless slogans and talking points, but know so very little about the history behind the words you speak.
I know I have it well. I'm more concerned about the future if things continue to "progress" towards big goverment. If you knew history, you would as well.
DarthKap 1 year ago
@DarthKap Read Adam Smith and come back
coosoorlog 1 year ago
@coosoorlog From what I read he's completely made up of paradoxes. He defends free markets, while advocating the masses should pay taxes as a "badge of liberty, not of slavery." In addition, he also held the belief that the masses should pay for the improvement of the monarch's lifestyle something I think we would agree isn't in the best interests of the People.
It has nothing to due with the fact both socialists and fascists require goverment power to push thier social programs.
DarthKap 1 year ago
@DarthKap Wow, dude, you should read more, and not some presentist hogwash. Adam Smith is the father of Liberalism, which in definition is belief in free markets and individual liberty.
coosoorlog 1 year ago
There is a bias in the MSM--it's the Lowest Common Denominator bias.
sexysadie1977 1 year ago
lol senk why-ger
enacra101 1 year ago
i love liberal media, but then again i am a liberal
sage0857 1 year ago
I have no problem with the conservative media except for when they lie and tell people to pick their guns up and shit that's just crazy.
Useyno 1 year ago
@Useyno In other words you hate the conservative media when they aren't doing fluff pieces about images of jesus in trees and which celebrity is going to prison for what this week.
dffykvn 1 year ago
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The US Media is controlled by undercover Marxists, under the guise of "Liberals". Liberals offer nothing to the Country but Evil Communism
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo
Good, so GTFO of my country.
Look up communism in a dictionary before you run your mouth, cunt.
Love, a liberal.
jensen1901 1 year ago 4
@jensen1901 You call yourself a Liberal, but you really are a Marxist. Thats why you took offense to my comment. The Liberals and their Marxist media do nothing but sabotage our country to support Obama's Communist schemes, you cant fool anyone. Liberals do nothing for the country, they support Marxism, they support Gays, they support the deficit, they support this Marxist Health Care which you have to buy or you go to jail. Stop watching Maddow and Olbermans marxist propaganda
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo What's wrong with "supporting" gays?
And "Marxist Health Care"? Are you kidding? That bill is full of concessions to the corporations, and loopholes they can exploit, and it won't even take effect until 2014.
Oh, and as for going to jail if you don't buy insurance, that's nowhere in the bill, and nothing like that would have been necessary if the public option hadn't been thrown out.
GarlicPudding 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo
So you hate Marxists, eh? Guess who else hated Marxists?
Hitler.
From his book "Mein Kampf":
"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."
You and your sick conservative ignorant mind is in lockstep with Adolf Hitler. Congratulations!
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 I dont "hate" Marxists. Just like a typical Liberal, you twist word's to try and smear someone, wont work on me Libby(Marxist). You managed to call me racist and Nazi-like. How do you know Hitler's quotes from his book ????? Hmmmm
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo
its on the internet? duh.
Nxtl68 1 year ago
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MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@Nxtl68 So, why would anyone want to read anything from Hitler, riddle me that. Why read Hitler, when you can read Glen Beck or Sean Hannity ?
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo
... im gonna let that one go on beck and hannity...
anyway, i dont know why someone would read it im just saying its out there somewhere. hell google Mein Kamp or whatever its called you'll probably find it.
Nxtl68 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo Why read any of those guys?
Books with a political leaning are usually boring garbage.
GarlicPudding 1 year ago
@GarlicPudding Real American Patriots read Beck and Hannity. Only Marxist Obammunists call them "boring"
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo So I'm a traitor for not liking someone's books? That's beyond rediculous. A "Real American Patriot" would respect other people's opinions, or at least not resort to name-calling if he/she disagrees.
And I said ALL books with a political slant tend to be boring, not just books by those guys.
GarlicPudding 1 year ago
@GarlicPudding Damn, meant to say "ridiculous". Stupid typos...
GarlicPudding 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo
Because I have Google, fucktard.
Ever heard of it?
You can learn things, like how to use the English language and proper grammar (hint: it's "words" and not "word's").
Now go back to watching idiot TV (Fox).
It's just your speed, genius.
Naturally, you love it.
jensen1901 1 year ago
@jensen1901 Typical undercover Nazi Marxist, you have to resort to Lame playground jokes.
and fox News is the best, no Marxist and Liberal influences
Get back to reading Hitler you NSM member scum
MarcoBrolo 1 year ago
@MarcoBrolo You do realize that the Nazi party and Marxism are completely different right? You can not mix two opposing view points like that.
Typical brainwashed hate-monger. Having no facts. Just yell out random, barely thought out words and hope to god that you can gather some anger and riots.
Maybe that'll work out for you one of these days, but hopefully not.
BokuwaFdesu 1 year ago
The are few media outlets who are ostensibly bias such as Fox (though they don't admit it) MSNBC, etc. However, most of the major news networks don't have a strong bias towards the left or the right. If they have any bias at all it is towards sensationalism.
alphacause 1 year ago
isnt the YoungTurks liberal media?
1Mafioso4 1 year ago
lol senk wyger
acrophobe 1 year ago
This guy is delusional. NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, The New York times, and Hollywood are all liberal.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and The New York Times may be 'liberal" but that does not stop them from happily repeating stories that are pushed or created by the conservative media.
RememberJudas314 1 year ago
@RememberJudas314
Pushed or created by conservative media?? are u insane? Liberal media and films push a liberal agenda all year and have done a good job creating a liberal culture.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 Considering this video is discussing news bias I am making no comment on films or TV, though that can be argued as well.
The conservative news organisations will run a story then they will run another story about how they are the only people talking about the issue. Within hours the other networks will being parroting the story with the same misinformation that the conservative media included (e.g., Acorn, "New" Black Panthers, Sherod, Climate-gate, etc.).
RememberJudas314 1 year ago
@pennjersey83 Also, what exactly qualifies as a "liberal culture?"
RememberJudas314 1 year ago
@pennjersey83
Sorry, honey. But ABC and CNN are hardly liberal. ABC, if you remember, is owned by Disney and they aired the right wing propaganda movie "The Path to 9/11."
Nearly every single AM talk radio station in the US is owned by and run by conservatives and they all play only right wing hosts (Savage, Rush, Hannity etc).
Yes Hollywood is liberal, but that is not news media. That's movies. And conservatives are welcome to make them too. They just happen to suck at it.
jensen1901 1 year ago 3
@jensen1901
If you are calling me "honey" I hope you are a woman, because I am a man. You're right, abc may not be liberal but CNN is somewhat on the liberal side. Also, liberals control the movie industy and you want to compare that to talk radio? I don;t know about you but I dont listen to talk radio I'd rather listen to music. But I, and all of america has seen a movie made by liberal hollywood. Most major film companies won't produce a movie mad by a conservative.
pennjersey83 1 year ago
@pennjersey83
What is the liberal "agenda" in the Dark Knight?
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
well cenk, the tyt army is too big and theyre scared
masterkayaki 1 year ago
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President Sarah Palin will fully expose the liberal bias of our lamestream leftist media and completely convert it into Palinist Christian Conservative Media. Fox News is the MOST POWERFUL news network on the planet today for it is backed by GOD HERSELF!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
commies all yall! i'm coming for ya! -- jebuz
wubbadubdub 1 year ago
GOP use that "liberal media" crap to take US Neocon Media FURTHER TO THE FASCIST RIGHT-WING. All Neocon Media want to be as Insane, Fascist & Corrupt as FoxNoise.
Right-wing using the "liberal media" lie to deny facts. The whole concept's a myth concocted by GOP Neocons to bully news outlets into not making reich-wing look bad. It's fascism.
US media's not been liberal since beginning of TV, when McCarthy's witch hunt purged all real liberals from media.
Reality has a well-known Liberal Bias
halcyon0830 1 year ago 25
"why does God need a spaceship?". i might be a geek, but i LOVE the star trek referances cenk spews out :D
evilblades 1 year ago
Senk whygur LOL
StarfireEKS 1 year ago
Spelled "journalist" in the title wrong. >w>;;;;
hitheresunshine 1 year ago
@hitheresunshine Journolist is a website.
Madjacker08 1 year ago 2
@Madjacker08
Oooh~! XD I get it. Thanks for filling me in. :D It's good to know!
hitheresunshine 1 year ago
@hitheresunshine
Watch the clip.
Amsah 1 year ago
Sorry to nit-pick, but it's Journalist, not Journolist.
Or is "Journolist" a derogatory term?
aquiace 1 year ago
@aquiace "Journolist" is an internet website forum for discussions with journalists.
Madjacker08 1 year ago 3
@aquiace
~_~ Did you watch the clip?
Amsah 1 year ago
I love when Cenk works in a poignant Star Trek reference to make his point so clearly to nerds like me. "Why does God need a space-ship?!" Classic, thank you Cenk! <3
DaveNacca 1 year ago 8
Callin' them out for good old-fashioned yellow journalism.
claytonemoorejr 1 year ago
Leave it to conservatives to prove that the media ISNT liberal while trying to prove the exact opposite.
BunsterByne 1 year ago 3
First rule of propaganda in Mein Kompf, accuse your enemies of wrongs you have committed.
needparalegal 1 year ago 39
@needparalegal It's Mein Kampf, don't make us look bad.
stukajunker88 1 year ago
@needparalegal, I guess that means we can expect the GOP to burn down the Senate, accuse liberals of doing it, and assume dictatorial powers.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 I think they are already way past buring the Reichstagg.
needparalegal 1 year ago
@needparalegal, Seriously, though. What makes you say that? The fact is they *haven't* burned down the Senate, and *haven't* assumed dictatorial powers. And I'm not saying none of them would ever try it, I'm sure some of them aren't above that, but the fact remains they haven't.
Must we really stoop to their level and accuse them of being nazis when so far, they really just aren't? Isn't that what they're doing when the call Obama a communist, when he isn't even all that liberal?
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 No, because they use everything the Nazis used. There are no simularities between Obama and a communist. Goebbels used racism, fear and jingoism based almost completely in deception just like the GOP does, no difference whatsoever. We progressives are in much less danger than the 1938 Jews and German liberals because we are heavily armed.
needparalegal 1 year ago
@needparalegal, Well, after last summer's town hall meetings on health care, I don't mind saying that I do think liberals ought to arm themselves (I personally don't know any who are "heavily armed") - or were you speaking metaphorically?
And while the tactics you mention were used by Goebbels, they predate him by quite a bit - take the Know Nothings, for example.
I'm sorry. Until the GOP enforces a 1 party state and commits racial genocide, it's unhelpful hyperbole to call them nazis.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 You don't think it would have been smart for liberals to have acted before Hitler implemented his Final Solution? No metaphor, we don't play golf in my circle, we do shooting sports. Never heard ot the "Know Nothings", though the greeks forced slaves to watch propaganda plays going back to at least 400 B.C, and recording false history has probably been going on since before writing.
needparalegal 1 year ago
@needparalegal, look, I'll be perfectly honest here. I'm worried, too. Very, very worried. So far, things aren't nearly as bad as in the 50s (police dogs attacking black children in the street and Senators threatening "massive resistance" to the Supreme Court), let alone the Civil War, our darkest hour as a nation. But things could head in a dangerous direction. I see that.
Still, I don't believe all Republicans are extremists, hence the battle between the T party & the establishment.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
SENK WEIGER... LOL
asaldanam 1 year ago
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HAHA!
liberals are SCUM! liberals are FILTHY PIGS!
liberals are disgusting diseased parasitic VERMIN!
YEAH!
frictionRx5 1 year ago
do you all think the liberals just "accidentally" let this come out for the conservatives?...... I mean it sounds like they sent them something and conservatives slammed there heads on the table to prove crap and make them look more stupid....just feels it and I say good job
Hariuka 1 year ago
Ignore Halcyon everyone. She's a conspiracy nut.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
@MasterAdam100
it's a she??
deveousdevil 1 year ago