I would not go out to call any nation a congregation of Satan nation. Are you mad that you would curse your nation with the abomination of Christianity, with it's sun worship Deity, the human invented Jesus. Col 4:11, Rev 3:9. Run you pack of wolves and pedophile protectors, your time is at hand. You never knew me, depart from me workers of iniquity.
You just proved our point... non-christians founded this country, and non-christians are more tolerant than christians because they allowed people of all faiths to freely practice their religion in america.
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus
Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here."
Very nice vid, and I especially liked that you pointed out the true meaning of "Nature's God". Not a lot of people pay attention in World History in high school, and definitely not in the Age of Reason or other philosophical sections.
United States of the America is officially secular nation! Unless you want the USA' First Amendment removed, then USA will be no different from Iran or nonsecular nations.
I believe that the USA was founded upon Christianity...and murder (especially of the natives), rape, greed, exploitation, slavery, sexism, hypocrisy, arrogance, self righteousness, theft seemed to be as virtuous as ever to these so called God fearing people. The do unto others thing, is only applicable to other Christians...if they are white and male, anyway. Please, don't insult free thinkers by suggesting this country was founded on anything but Christianity.
Out of the 56 signatures on the Declaration of Independence, 50 were known Freemasons, and only one was known not to be. Freemasons incorporate the Christian Bible in their lodges by placing their symbolic square and compass on top of it. But they do not teach or mention Jesus Christ at all. They are Pagans through and through. The Washington monument is the Egyptian Sun Gods Penis. The Statue of Liberty is a lunar deity. The 5 pointed star is Venus which the Masons also refer to as Lucifer.
Christmas...a.k.a. The Christ Mass was introduced into the Catholic church 400 A.D. by a Pagan named Constatine. It was originally know as the feast of Saturn, or Saturnalia. Hercules, and many other deities birthday was on Dec. 25th. Christmas is the worship of Ba'al and the Grove. the same worship that Israel got involved in and the reason God destroyed them. His wrath is coming to america in the form of the N.W.O., a beast of a system.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2
Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
New York University Professor Emeritus Patricia Bonomi, in her article "The Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism" wrote: "The colonists were about 98
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 years (1801-35) the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with
us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit
All christian countries are probably insane.... Christian fate is not humanic fate! In vatican they are saying that if men got long or if women got short hair, they aren't normal. So WTF!? Vatican is insane with their ammm hair discrimination :( But this is not only shit from vatican! They are so stupid there ughh...
The name Jesus is not written on one document penned by the founding fathers in relation to setting up this country. This country was not founded based on Judeo Christian beliefs, but on a non descript monotheistic premise. It seems to me that one of the 10 main rules that so many people fight to keep in public places states "Thou shalt not kill" and yet we average a war every 10 years, with the intent to kill people. Perhaps im just reading that rule wrong.
The thing that "Christian Nation" supporters don't seem to understand is this: To call our country a "Christian Nation" is an EXCLUSIVE term, whereas our history has shown that, despite the Christian majority, we ARE inclusive and look out for the rights of the minority. A true "Christian nation" does NEITHER.
to the people who are quoting christian presidents. Shut the fuck up your making yourself look like an idiot. The whole point of this video is to show that though the president may be a christian the idea behind America is non theistically biased vantage point.
And vic, I DO appreciate your input. I support freedom of speech, but your ridiculous spamming of quotes -- which I have stated a few months ago are mostly IRRELEVANT to the point I'm making -- is, in fact, SPAM. Make your point and move on, please.
The writings of George Washington from the original manuscript sources, to ROBERT STEWART April 27,1763:"I inclose you a copy of Mr. Cary's last Acct. currt. against me, which upon my honr and the faith of a Christian is a true one, and transmitted to me with the additional aggravation of a hint at the largeness of it"
Washington admitting he was a Christian. What's the world coming to!
atheistatlarge: George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12,1779: "You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."
George Washington, 1789: for no man, who is profligate in his morals, or a bad member of the civil community, can possibly be a true Christian, or a credit to his own religious society.
"Who would not exchange the discordant scenes of envy, pride, vanity, malice, revenge, for the sweet consolations of philosophy, the serene composure of the passions, the divine enjoyments of Christian charity and benevolence?"
)John Adams, Works, Vol. X, pp. 45-46, to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813.
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature."
...The duties and rights of the man and the citizen are thus taught from early infancy to every creature." John Adams, Dairy entry dated August 14, 1796.
"One great advantage of the Christian religion is that it brings the great principle of the law of nature and nations--Love your neighbor as yourself, and do to others as you would that others should do to you,...No other institution for education, no kind of political discipline, could diffuse this kind of necessary information, so universally among all ranks and descriptions of citizens...
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
John Adams.
Now where I have heard of The Ten Commandments of God before?
John Adams to his wife in 1775:"Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand."
atheistatlarge:"Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell." John Adams, correct quote.
Atheist love to take part of this quote out of context to make it say the opposite of what he meant.
"The Christian religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern Times, the Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and humanity, let the Blackguard [Thomas] Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to Man."
After Paine wrote "the age of reason" he was not very well liked in America.
atheistatlarge: Why was it possible for not only Jefferson but all the founders to use federal money to promote Christianity but not for us? The answer is liberal judges. Liberal judges have turned the Constitution on its head so it means today the exact oppisite of what it meant then. Why do you think our government today is closer to the old ussr's constitution than our own Constitution.
Dec. 3, 1803, Congress ratified Jefferson's treaty with Kaskaskia Indians:
Whereas the greater part of the said tribe have been baptized and received into the Catholic Church ... the United States will give annually, for seven years, one hundred dollars toward the support of a priest of that religion, who will engage to perform for said tribe the duties of his office, and also to instruct as many of their children as possible. ...
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States [10th Amendment]."
The 10th amendment, the one most ignored by the courts.
atheistatlarge: Jefferson viewed the "wall" as limiting the federal government from "intermeddling" in church government, as explained in his letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808:
Thomas Jefferson: God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
atheistatlarge: Thomas Jefferson: My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others...
atheistatlarge - deists do not pray or believe in a personal God. When the founders spoke against religion they were referring to the Catholic Church leaders not Jesus Christ. For every quote you show I can show 3 that show the founders believed in a personal God whom they prayed to and worshipped and believed He intervenes in human life. They may not have all been Christian but they all believed in God.
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian. " -- Richmond v. Moore, Illinois Supreme Court, 1883)
6th Circuit Court of Appeals: First Amendment does not demand wall between church and state: December 20, 2005,
" the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit declared, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state." The court also criticized the ACLU's repeated reference to the construct, calling it "tiresome" and "extra-constitutional."
"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation."
The men of Marlborough, Massachusetts, declared: "Death is more eligible than slavery. A free-born people are not required by the religion of Jesus Christ to submit to tyranny..."
John Jay, an author of the Federalist Papers and the original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court,"I have long been of the opinion that the evidence of the truth of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in candid minds." William Jay, The Life of John Jay.
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 years the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it."
Interesting, that he says entirely ? So just whom was George Washington talking about when he was looking for troops and included Atheists in his speach ?
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here."
ah yes, Pat did have a little too much of the THEOTOXINS
The point being made is that NOT ALL OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN THE XIAN GOD AND THAT THEY MADE SURE THAT , THAT GOD WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THEIR DOCUMENTS THAT FORGED THE USA
So you can spout all you want about which xian said what, the docs show for themselves that this is not a xian nation
Henry was shot down for his views and they were never entered into the texts
I've already commented on the treaty of tripoli. Read my comments.BTW, what is the title of this video. I have never said the government was Christian. America was founded by Christians. The NATION was and is Christian.
George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12,1779:"You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all,the religion of Jesus Christ.These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here." Imagine if the Court had used this quote instead of misusing Jefferson's "wall".
The reason God in not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution? It was left to each state. I only listed the earliest. Every state constitution mentions God. Should the aclu sue each state?
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation, 3 October 1789
Congress set aside December 18, 1777 as a day of thanksgiving so the American people "may express the grateful feelings of their hearts and consecrate themselves to the service of their divine benefactor" and on which they might "join the penitent confession of their manifold sins . . . that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance."
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
You accuse me of posting nothing but opinions. That is the same thing you are doing. No where in the Constitution does it say we are a secular nation.
What is the title of this video? I'm not saying the government is Christian.The NATION was Christian. The vast majority of people in America was Christian. The reason it's not mentioned in the Constitution is because it was left to the states. Every state Constitution mentions God. Even with that the founders meant for the government to be controlled by religous and moral men.
"I'm not saying the government is Christian. . . The vast majority of people in America was Christian." Agreed.
"You accuse me of posting nothing but opinions. That is the same thing you are doing. No where in the Constitution does it say we are a secular nation." False. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" makes it secular. If they wanted to make this a Christian theocracy, they failed miserably in the documentation department.
So if it doesn't EXACTLY say Christian it means we aren't Christian. But if it doesn't EXACTLY say secular it still means we're secular.Not very consistent. BTW, why do atheists always leave out the 2nd half of the 1st amendment?
A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era (1760-1805), [reported] that 94 percent of the periods documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.
years later when the treaty of tripoli was rewritten,and the U.S. had a stronger navy, article 11 was left out. Why don't you mention that, if you want accurate history.
The Treaty begins with the words, "In the Name of the most holy and undivided Trinity... ," and there is no dispute about its validity or its wording.
This Treaty, negotiated by Ben Franklin and John Adams among others,is truly a foundational document for the United States, because by this Treaty Britian recognized the independence of the United States.
Those who cite the Treaty of Tripoli as evidence that this nation was not founded on the Christian religion, usually ignore the Treaty of Paris of 1783.
Alexis de Tocqueville:"Christianity has therefore retained a strong hold on the public mind in America...In the United States...Christianity itself is a? fact so irresistibly established, that no one undertakes either to attack or to defend it."
Your quotes are interesting, particuarly the ones from Tocqueville. The fallacy, however (and I admit I fell into that trap during my video), is that they are just OPINIONS of the founding fathers -- nothing more. What you have failed to give me is some legal document that proves -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that this is a Christian nation, and NOT a secular one. They had ample opportunity to state it in the Declarion and the Constitution, and instead they wrote freedom of religion.
Alexis de Tocqueville:"Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention...In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found? they were intimately united."
Alexis de Tocqueville:"The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their? minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other...They brought with them into the New World a form of Christianity which I cannot better describe than by styling it a democratic and republican religion."
"The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects." --Justice Joseph Story
Upon signing the Declaration of Independence, Samuel Adams stated: "This day, I trust, the reign of political protestantism will commence." The 56 signers were mostly Protestant, with a notable exception being Catholic Charles Carroll of Maryland.
New York University Professor Emeritus Patricia Bonomi, in her article "The Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism" wrote: "The colonists were about 98 percent Protestant."
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 epochal years (1801-35) the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it."
"I am a real Christian, that is, a Disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." Thomas Jefferson, comment made AFTER retirement. The quote came from "The Complete Book Of U.S. Presidents" William A. DeGregorio -A Barnes and Noble Book c. 2002. page 40
I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other". Jefferson believed he was a Christian. Anyone who says he wasn't is calling him a liar.
Thomas Jefferson: "My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself.
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington
Oh? What, precisely, do you think it nonsense? and why won't you allow it as a response for your video? In my experience, someone who silences a dissenting voice has something to hide, or fear.
if the USA is a christian nation then some one needs to slap it back into its place in the world
codppl 5 months ago
I would not go out to call any nation a congregation of Satan nation. Are you mad that you would curse your nation with the abomination of Christianity, with it's sun worship Deity, the human invented Jesus. Col 4:11, Rev 3:9. Run you pack of wolves and pedophile protectors, your time is at hand. You never knew me, depart from me workers of iniquity.
stoodOnAnArk 1 year ago
You just proved our point... non-christians founded this country, and non-christians are more tolerant than christians because they allowed people of all faiths to freely practice their religion in america.
I didn't say that, you did.
Jarut195 1 year ago
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus
Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here."
blessedvic 2 years ago
Very nice vid, and I especially liked that you pointed out the true meaning of "Nature's God". Not a lot of people pay attention in World History in high school, and definitely not in the Age of Reason or other philosophical sections.
338dmac 2 years ago
I'm sorry, Christians.
United States of the America is officially secular nation! Unless you want the USA' First Amendment removed, then USA will be no different from Iran or nonsecular nations.
KOHABAEB 2 years ago
I believe that the USA was founded upon Christianity...and murder (especially of the natives), rape, greed, exploitation, slavery, sexism, hypocrisy, arrogance, self righteousness, theft seemed to be as virtuous as ever to these so called God fearing people. The do unto others thing, is only applicable to other Christians...if they are white and male, anyway. Please, don't insult free thinkers by suggesting this country was founded on anything but Christianity.
RecoveringRecluse 2 years ago
Comment removed
CL121076 2 years ago
Out of the 56 signatures on the Declaration of Independence, 50 were known Freemasons, and only one was known not to be. Freemasons incorporate the Christian Bible in their lodges by placing their symbolic square and compass on top of it. But they do not teach or mention Jesus Christ at all. They are Pagans through and through. The Washington monument is the Egyptian Sun Gods Penis. The Statue of Liberty is a lunar deity. The 5 pointed star is Venus which the Masons also refer to as Lucifer.
CL121076 2 years ago
Christmas...a.k.a. The Christ Mass was introduced into the Catholic church 400 A.D. by a Pagan named Constatine. It was originally know as the feast of Saturn, or Saturnalia. Hercules, and many other deities birthday was on Dec. 25th. Christmas is the worship of Ba'al and the Grove. the same worship that Israel got involved in and the reason God destroyed them. His wrath is coming to america in the form of the N.W.O., a beast of a system.
CL121076 2 years ago
The 55 Founding Fathers.
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2
Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
blessedvic 2 years ago
New York University Professor Emeritus Patricia Bonomi, in her article "The Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism" wrote: "The colonists were about 98
percent Protestant."
blessedvic 2 years ago
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 years (1801-35) the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with
us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit
relations with it."
blessedvic 2 years ago
All christian countries are probably insane.... Christian fate is not humanic fate! In vatican they are saying that if men got long or if women got short hair, they aren't normal. So WTF!? Vatican is insane with their ammm hair discrimination :( But this is not only shit from vatican! They are so stupid there ughh...
gamsd 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Worth watching, and full of facts: America's Heritage is not Christian: True or False?
TheRationalthinker 2 years ago
Worth watching, and full of facts: America's Heritage is not Christian: True or False?
TheRationalthinker 2 years ago
The name Jesus is not written on one document penned by the founding fathers in relation to setting up this country. This country was not founded based on Judeo Christian beliefs, but on a non descript monotheistic premise. It seems to me that one of the 10 main rules that so many people fight to keep in public places states "Thou shalt not kill" and yet we average a war every 10 years, with the intent to kill people. Perhaps im just reading that rule wrong.
MrKevMan 2 years ago
The thing that "Christian Nation" supporters don't seem to understand is this: To call our country a "Christian Nation" is an EXCLUSIVE term, whereas our history has shown that, despite the Christian majority, we ARE inclusive and look out for the rights of the minority. A true "Christian nation" does NEITHER.
DionysusVoice 2 years ago
to the people who are quoting christian presidents. Shut the fuck up your making yourself look like an idiot. The whole point of this video is to show that though the president may be a christian the idea behind America is non theistically biased vantage point.
SuperDisser 2 years ago
Thank you, Disser.
And vic, I DO appreciate your input. I support freedom of speech, but your ridiculous spamming of quotes -- which I have stated a few months ago are mostly IRRELEVANT to the point I'm making -- is, in fact, SPAM. Make your point and move on, please.
DionysusVoice 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: I would post some more but I've got things to do. Have a blessed day and remember to thank God America was founded by Christians.
blessedvic 2 years ago
The writings of George Washington from the original manuscript sources, to ROBERT STEWART April 27,1763:"I inclose you a copy of Mr. Cary's last Acct. currt. against me, which upon my honr and the faith of a Christian is a true one, and transmitted to me with the additional aggravation of a hint at the largeness of it"
Washington admitting he was a Christian. What's the world coming to!
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12,1779: "You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."
Imagine that, Washington mentioning Jesus Christ.
Bet you never saw that quote in history class.
blessedvic 2 years ago
George Washington, 1789: for no man, who is profligate in his morals, or a bad member of the civil community, can possibly be a true Christian, or a credit to his own religious society.
blessedvic 2 years ago
John Adams Letter to Zabdiel Adams, June 21, 1776
"Who would not exchange the discordant scenes of envy, pride, vanity, malice, revenge, for the sweet consolations of philosophy, the serene composure of the passions, the divine enjoyments of Christian charity and benevolence?"
not a very good deist.
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: John Adams, isn't he the same guy who signed the first treaty of tripoli? He must have been really confused!
blessedvic 2 years ago
)John Adams, Works, Vol. X, pp. 45-46, to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813.
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature."
blessedvic 2 years ago
...The duties and rights of the man and the citizen are thus taught from early infancy to every creature." John Adams, Dairy entry dated August 14, 1796.
But John Adams wasn't a Christian!
blessedvic 2 years ago
"One great advantage of the Christian religion is that it brings the great principle of the law of nature and nations--Love your neighbor as yourself, and do to others as you would that others should do to you,...No other institution for education, no kind of political discipline, could diffuse this kind of necessary information, so universally among all ranks and descriptions of citizens...
blessedvic 2 years ago
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
John Adams.
Now where I have heard of The Ten Commandments of God before?
blessedvic 2 years ago
John Adams to his wife in 1775:"Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand."
Maybe he was referring to Budda?
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge:"Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell." John Adams, correct quote.
Atheist love to take part of this quote out of context to make it say the opposite of what he meant.
blessedvic 2 years ago
John Adams "Diary" dated July 26, 1796:
"The Christian religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern Times, the Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and humanity, let the Blackguard [Thomas] Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to Man."
After Paine wrote "the age of reason" he was not very well liked in America.
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: Why was it possible for not only Jefferson but all the founders to use federal money to promote Christianity but not for us? The answer is liberal judges. Liberal judges have turned the Constitution on its head so it means today the exact oppisite of what it meant then. Why do you think our government today is closer to the old ussr's constitution than our own Constitution.
LIBERAL JUDGES.
blessedvic 2 years ago
...And the United States will further give the sum of three hundred dollars, to assist the said tribe in the erection of a church."
using federal dollars to promote Christianity?
Oh the humanity!
blessedvic 2 years ago
Dec. 3, 1803, Congress ratified Jefferson's treaty with Kaskaskia Indians:
Whereas the greater part of the said tribe have been baptized and received into the Catholic Church ... the United States will give annually, for seven years, one hundred dollars toward the support of a priest of that religion, who will engage to perform for said tribe the duties of his office, and also to instruct as many of their children as possible. ...
blessedvic 2 years ago
April 26, 1802, Jefferson extended a 1787 act of Congress where lands were designated:
"For the sole use of Christian Indians and the Moravian Brethren missionaries for civilizing the Indians and promoting Christianity."
Using federal money to promote Christianity. I guess Jefferson never read the Constitution. At least not the way the aclu reads it!
blessedvic 2 years ago
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States [10th Amendment]."
The 10th amendment, the one most ignored by the courts.
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: Jefferson viewed the "wall" as limiting the federal government from "intermeddling" in church government, as explained in his letter to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23, 1808:
blessedvic 2 years ago
"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
funny how that part of the 1st amendment is ignored.
blessedvic 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson: God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Doesn't sound like a deist.
blessedvic 2 years ago
anyone who says Jefferson was not a Christian is calling him a liar.
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge: Thomas Jefferson: My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others...
blessedvic 2 years ago
atheistatlarge - deists do not pray or believe in a personal God. When the founders spoke against religion they were referring to the Catholic Church leaders not Jesus Christ. For every quote you show I can show 3 that show the founders believed in a personal God whom they prayed to and worshipped and believed He intervenes in human life. They may not have all been Christian but they all believed in God.
blessedvic 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian. " -- Richmond v. Moore, Illinois Supreme Court, 1883)
blessedvic 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
6th Circuit Court of Appeals: First Amendment does not demand wall between church and state: December 20, 2005,
" the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit declared, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state." The court also criticized the ACLU's repeated reference to the construct, calling it "tiresome" and "extra-constitutional."
About time the court got it right.
blessedvic 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Benjamin Franklin helped write Pennsylvania's 1776 Constitution,
which stated in Frame of Government, Chapter 2, Section 10:
"Each member of the legislature, before he takes his seat, shall make
and subscribe the following declaration:
'I do believe in one God, the Creator and Governour of the Universe,
the Rewarder of the good and Punisher of the wicked, and I do
acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given
by Divine Inspiration.'"
blessedvic 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. U.S.
"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation."
blessedvic 3 years ago
"Religion in a Family is at once its brightest Ornament and its best Security." --Samuel Adams
blessedvic 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The Boston Tea Party :
The men of Marlborough, Massachusetts, declared: "Death is more eligible than slavery. A free-born people are not required by the religion of Jesus Christ to submit to tyranny..."
blessedvic 3 years ago
John Jay, an author of the Federalist Papers and the original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court,"I have long been of the opinion that the evidence of the truth of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in candid minds." William Jay, The Life of John Jay.
blessedvic 3 years ago
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 years the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Interesting, that he says entirely ? So just whom was George Washington talking about when he was looking for troops and included Atheists in his speach ?
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here."
blessedvic 3 years ago
ah yes, Pat did have a little too much of the THEOTOXINS
The point being made is that NOT ALL OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS BELIEVED IN THE XIAN GOD AND THAT THEY MADE SURE THAT , THAT GOD WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THEIR DOCUMENTS THAT FORGED THE USA
So you can spout all you want about which xian said what, the docs show for themselves that this is not a xian nation
Henry was shot down for his views and they were never entered into the texts
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
Jedediah Morse stated in Charleston, Massachusetts, April 25, 1799:
"Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government,and all the blessings which
flow from them,must fall with them."
The father of Samuel Morse thought this was a Christian nation!
blessedvic 3 years ago
Try reading the Treaty of Tripoli, that should cure your xian illness thinking the USA is a xian nation
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
I've already commented on the treaty of tripoli. Read my comments.BTW, what is the title of this video. I have never said the government was Christian. America was founded by Christians. The NATION was and is Christian.
blessedvic 2 years ago
Well I guess that you didnt pay attention to this video or any of the others that prove you are totally wrong
The founding fathers werent all xians, many were deists, and had a real dislike for christianity
All I need to do is show you one quote, thats it to prove youre wrong, and the quotes are in this video, and others
Seek out DeistPalidin for more info
Your wants and desires arent historically correct
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12,1779:"You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all,the religion of Jesus Christ.These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."
blessedvic 3 years ago
The Continental Congress voted September 11, 1777, to import Bibles
from Scotland or Holland into different parts of the Union, stating:
"The use of the Bible is so universal and its importance so great...it was resolved accordingly to direct said Committee of
Commerce to import 20,000 copies of the Bible."
That would have been the "Christian" Bible!
blessedvic 3 years ago
Patrick Henry:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of faiths have been afforded asylum, and freedom of worship here." Imagine if the Court had used this quote instead of misusing Jefferson's "wall".
blessedvic 3 years ago
The reason God in not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution? It was left to each state. I only listed the earliest. Every state constitution mentions God. Should the aclu sue each state?
blessedvic 3 years ago
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
- William Penn
blessedvic 3 years ago
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging
with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy .
blessedvic 3 years ago
Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon
protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this
Constitution...
blessedvic 3 years ago
Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland,
grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
blessedvic 3 years ago
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a
natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates
of his own conscience.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and
humbly invoking His guidance
blessedvic 3 years ago
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of
South Carolina. grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and
establish this Constitution.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
blessedvic 3 years ago
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we
owe our Creator .. can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the
mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and
Charity towards each other ...
blessedvic 3 years ago
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation, 3 October 1789
blessedvic 3 years ago
the reason the Constitution doesn't mention God is because that was left to the states. EVERY state constitution mentions God.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Congress set aside December 18, 1777 as a day of thanksgiving so the American people "may express the grateful feelings of their hearts and consecrate themselves to the service of their divine benefactor" and on which they might "join the penitent confession of their manifold sins . . . that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance."
blessedvic 3 years ago
"Thou shalt not covet","Thou shalt not steal","commandments from Heaven".I wonder where he could have gotten those ideas?
blessedvic 3 years ago
"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force
of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny
commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal'
were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable
precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free."
-- John Adams (A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1787)
blessedvic 3 years ago
The 55 Founding Fathers:
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin.
Not a single secularists or atheist.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Jefferson wrote in the Declaration: "All men are endowed by their Creator," not a secularists belief.
blessedvic 3 years ago
You accuse me of posting nothing but opinions. That is the same thing you are doing. No where in the Constitution does it say we are a secular nation.
blessedvic 3 years ago
What is the title of this video? I'm not saying the government is Christian.The NATION was Christian. The vast majority of people in America was Christian. The reason it's not mentioned in the Constitution is because it was left to the states. Every state Constitution mentions God. Even with that the founders meant for the government to be controlled by religous and moral men.
blessedvic 3 years ago
"I'm not saying the government is Christian. . . The vast majority of people in America was Christian." Agreed.
"You accuse me of posting nothing but opinions. That is the same thing you are doing. No where in the Constitution does it say we are a secular nation." False. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" makes it secular. If they wanted to make this a Christian theocracy, they failed miserably in the documentation department.
DionysusVoice 3 years ago
So if it doesn't EXACTLY say Christian it means we aren't Christian. But if it doesn't EXACTLY say secular it still means we're secular.Not very consistent. BTW, why do atheists always leave out the 2nd half of the 1st amendment?
blessedvic 3 years ago
A study by the American Political Science Review on the political documents of the founding era (1760-1805), [reported] that 94 percent of the periods documents were based on the Bible, with 34 percent of the contents being direct citations from the Bible. The Scripture was the bedrock and blueprint of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, academic arenas and heritage until the last quarter of a century.
blessedvic 3 years ago
years later when the treaty of tripoli was rewritten,and the U.S. had a stronger navy, article 11 was left out. Why don't you mention that, if you want accurate history.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Secularists who read too much into the Treaty of Tripoli are either showing their ignorance or their dishonesty.
blessedvic 3 years ago
The Treaty begins with the words, "In the Name of the most holy and undivided Trinity... ," and there is no dispute about its validity or its wording.
blessedvic 3 years ago
This Treaty, negotiated by Ben Franklin and John Adams among others,is truly a foundational document for the United States, because by this Treaty Britian recognized the independence of the United States.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Those who cite the Treaty of Tripoli as evidence that this nation was not founded on the Christian religion, usually ignore the Treaty of Paris of 1783.
blessedvic 3 years ago
What in the world could have made de Tocpueville think America was a Christian nation. Maybe he never consulted the aclu!
blessedvic 3 years ago
Alexis de Tocqueville:"Christianity has therefore retained a strong hold on the public mind in America...In the United States...Christianity itself is a? fact so irresistibly established, that no one undertakes either to attack or to defend it."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Your quotes are interesting, particuarly the ones from Tocqueville. The fallacy, however (and I admit I fell into that trap during my video), is that they are just OPINIONS of the founding fathers -- nothing more. What you have failed to give me is some legal document that proves -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that this is a Christian nation, and NOT a secular one. They had ample opportunity to state it in the Declarion and the Constitution, and instead they wrote freedom of religion.
DionysusVoice 3 years ago
Alexis de Tocqueville:"Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention...In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found? they were intimately united."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Alexis de Tocqueville:"The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their? minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other...They brought with them into the New World a form of Christianity which I cannot better describe than by styling it a democratic and republican religion."
blessedvic 3 years ago
"The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects." --Justice Joseph Story
blessedvic 3 years ago
Upon signing the Declaration of Independence, Samuel Adams stated: "This day, I trust, the reign of political protestantism will commence." The 56 signers were mostly Protestant, with a notable exception being Catholic Charles Carroll of Maryland.
blessedvic 3 years ago
"The reformation was preceded by the discovery of America, as
if the Almighty graciously meant to open a sanctuary to the
persecuted in future years, when home should afford neither
friendship nor safety." Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776). Written before Paine went to France and lost his common sense.
blessedvic 3 years ago
26)William Samuel Johnson,27)John Adams,28)Jedidiah Morse,29)Daniel Webster,30)John Marshall,31)John Langdon,32)Elias Boudinot,33)James Burrill Jr.,34)Dewitt Clinton,35)Caleb Strong,36)John Hamilton,37)Charles Cotesworth Pinckney,38)Rufus Putnam,39)John Cotton Smith,40)Daniel Tompkins,41)Bushrod Washington."
How convient to only mention the founders that agree with you.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Founding Christians:1)James Otis,2)Samuel Adams,3)John Jay,4)James Wilson,5)John Quincy Adams,6)Alexander Hamilton,7)Noah Webster,8)Rufus King,9)William Findley,10)James Madison,11)Zephaniah Swift,12)James Kent,13)Andrew Young,14)Patrick Henry,15)George Washington,16)Benjamin Rush,17)John Witherspoon,18)George Mason,19)Thomas McKean,20)James McHenry,
21)Richard Stockton,22)Robert Treat Paine,23)John Dickinson,24)Charles Carroll,25)Roger Sherman,...
blessedvic 3 years ago
New York University Professor Emeritus Patricia Bonomi, in her article "The Middle Colonies as the Birthplace of American Religious Pluralism" wrote: "The colonists were about 98 percent Protestant."
blessedvic 3 years ago
John Marshall, the father of American Jurisprudence and for 34 epochal years (1801-35) the Chief Justice of the United States, wrote: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Jedediah Morse stated in Charleston, Massachusetts, April 25, 1799:
"Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government,and all the blessings which
flow from them,must fall with them."
blessedvic 3 years ago
Benjamin Franklin wrote:"Atheism is unknown there; Infidelity rare and secret; so that
persons may live to a great age in that country without having their
piety shocked by meeting with either an Atheist or an Infidel. And
the Divine Being seems...pleased to favor the whole country."
Well at least we know Franklin wasn't an atheist.
blessedvic 3 years ago
"I am a real Christian, that is, a Disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." Thomas Jefferson, comment made AFTER retirement. The quote came from "The Complete Book Of U.S. Presidents" William A. DeGregorio -A Barnes and Noble Book c. 2002. page 40
blessedvic 3 years ago
I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other". Jefferson believed he was a Christian. Anyone who says he wasn't is calling him a liar.
blessedvic 3 years ago
Thomas Jefferson: "My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself.
blessedvic 3 years ago
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His mercy, to implore His protection and favor... That great and beneficent author of all good that was, that is, or ever shall be, that we may then unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people." --George Washington
blessedvic 3 years ago
Thanks for bringing all of these quotes together in one place. I just finished looking them up in other sources and they're all accurate.
MarlinBeta 3 years ago 5
Oh? What, precisely, do you think it nonsense? and why won't you allow it as a response for your video? In my experience, someone who silences a dissenting voice has something to hide, or fear.
DionysusVoice 3 years ago
Good stuff, man!!!
breastadvocate 3 years ago 5
Great vid. :)
TheLogicalTheist 3 years ago 7
Hmmm... the epistles of paul... or the epistles of Thomas Jefferson...
Psh, there is no contest.
someweirdgayguy 3 years ago 6
Some of the founding fathers were religious some were not but they were first and foremost secularists. This is something people need to understand.
GodoftheGeeks 3 years ago 7