Before landing, Joe Engle asked for clearance from the Edwards tower (though you can't hear it on this video). You do hear the response from the Edwards tower, though, which causes Joe Kerwin (doing the commentary) to laugh.
It wasn't protocol to ask for landing clearance...and the only communications were meant to be between Houston and Columbia...but Engle had too much history at Edwards and wanted to include them on the landing.
Believe it or not I was the Air Traffic Controller who was working in Edwards Tower that day... I issued the landing clearance to the Columbia but it was not normal protocal as you are right, Houston was supposed to be the only communication with the space craft. I felt it was going to be my only opportunity to make history as the "first" air traffic controller to clear an aircraft to land after returning from space.. a dubious honor that it is.. My name is Braxton Freeman for the record!
@CessnaFlyGuy1 lol thanks, Braxton. Always wondered what the " clear to land" comment was. I thought...he's in a glider, cleared ot land or not, they are coming down now! lol
From the brief shot of the countdown clock overlaid over the picture from pad 39 at the start of this video, I would guess this launch is from network coverage and not the 'official' NASA feed.
@lunarmodule5 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
@lunarmodule5 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
On the landing; recognized the voices of Tom Brokaw, John Chancellor at NBC and Joe Kerwin form Skylab 2 who was their NBC consultant in the 1980s;, they had him on the STS-26 launch in 1988 too.
@RJY4356 I like Gene Cernan's anchoring of shuttle launches, he always seemed like he's enjoying himself and so enthusiastic! I've read about his reaction to STS-5 lifting off on 11 Nov 82 ('Get ready to celebrate Vets Day world!') but sadly it does not seem to be on Youtube
@ceredigio Someone sent me the STS-5 ABC footage on DVD. If it isn't on You Tube, I will tell you that he does say at T-minues 12 or 11 seconds or so " World, get ready for a celebration on Veteran's Day" Then at the moment of lift-off, "There she goes! And what a sight today!!" When the soundwaves really start hammering them at about +20 seconds, Cernan says to Frank Reynolds, " Feel that, Frank!" Then around +90 seconds " We just may be able to see this one forever!" (great visibility)
Best video I've ever seen of STS-2, with decent sound too, at least briefly. The mission highlights version has no sound and cuts out halfway through. Only thing that would make this better is if they had opened another outdoor mic after the initial liftoff. And would be nice to see it a little more before launch than 25 seconds but that's just imho.
Would be nice if NASA would have live sound with their replays from, say, the press site. In these days of HD and high-quality audio they ought to have a much better broadcast experience. HD Net does a decent job.
@3210andLiftoff Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
@3210andLiftoff The feed of this launch which Mark Gray has just released on DVD is MUCH better, with extensive countdown and the complete liftoff and ascent sequence through SRB and ET Sep, though it has no 'outside sound' but the individual TV angles which follow the feed do.
@RJY4356 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
@ceredigio No, I hven't seen anything by Spacecraft Films for about 3 years now. I got annoyed with some of the selectiveness of their productions- what they would omit. Thanks for the tip, I will look that up online and check that out.
@RJY4356 Yeah Spacecraft Films' DVDs are very good, but I find myself disappointed when they omit things as well - eg the KSC TV feed of the Apollo 11 launch but none for other Saturn-launched missions (although I find it fun switching between launch angles and then watching them all on one screen at once! I wish they could have done that for STS-2)
@ceredigio I also recommend looking up the live broadcast ABC footage on here. They show great stuff, better sound, and live replays - of all the early shuttle launches; 1981-1983.
@RJY4356 On the aforementioned Shuttle set on the NASA TV feeds of some of the launches, the JSC PAO to fill time replays the liftoff feed without the live audio feed as well as individual TV angles while commentating on the current mission progress.
@RJY4356 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
@RJY4356 The mission highlights version I've seen DID have audio but as you say clipped half of the ascent just after Engle reported the false master alarm and then cut to just before SRB Sep :-( The feed which Mark Gray has just released on DVD is MUCH better, with extensive countdown and the complete liftoff and ascent sequence through SRB and ET Sep, though like the mission highlights version it has no 'outside sound' but the individual TV angles which follow the feed do.
And left up, on the space shuttle and columbia desury on stetection on and space!!!
huguitosanty2407 6 months ago
@huguitosanty2407 And the space shuttle has cleared the tower!
ceredigio 1 month ago
What was the background surrounding the comments about a "disappointing mission?"
ilmsff7 7 months ago
@ilmsff7 The mission was scheduled to be 5 days, but a failed fuel cell forced the mission to be cut to just over 2 days.
helixspiral 2 months ago
Before landing, Joe Engle asked for clearance from the Edwards tower (though you can't hear it on this video). You do hear the response from the Edwards tower, though, which causes Joe Kerwin (doing the commentary) to laugh.
It wasn't protocol to ask for landing clearance...and the only communications were meant to be between Houston and Columbia...but Engle had too much history at Edwards and wanted to include them on the landing.
mjanovec 1 year ago
Believe it or not I was the Air Traffic Controller who was working in Edwards Tower that day... I issued the landing clearance to the Columbia but it was not normal protocal as you are right, Houston was supposed to be the only communication with the space craft. I felt it was going to be my only opportunity to make history as the "first" air traffic controller to clear an aircraft to land after returning from space.. a dubious honor that it is.. My name is Braxton Freeman for the record!
CessnaFlyGuy1 3 months ago 2
@CessnaFlyGuy1 lol thanks, Braxton. Always wondered what the " clear to land" comment was. I thought...he's in a glider, cleared ot land or not, they are coming down now! lol
RJY4356 1 month ago
From the brief shot of the countdown clock overlaid over the picture from pad 39 at the start of this video, I would guess this launch is from network coverage and not the 'official' NASA feed.
ceredigio 2 years ago
I have the whole of the count from T-9 thru SRB SEP from the BBC coverage in the UK on video. But it doesn't sound as good as this!
lunarmodule5 2 years ago
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@lunarmodule5 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
ceredigio 1 month ago
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@lunarmodule5 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
ceredigio 1 month ago
On the landing; recognized the voices of Tom Brokaw, John Chancellor at NBC and Joe Kerwin form Skylab 2 who was their NBC consultant in the 1980s;, they had him on the STS-26 launch in 1988 too.
RJY4356 2 years ago
@RJY4356 I like Gene Cernan's anchoring of shuttle launches, he always seemed like he's enjoying himself and so enthusiastic! I've read about his reaction to STS-5 lifting off on 11 Nov 82 ('Get ready to celebrate Vets Day world!') but sadly it does not seem to be on Youtube
ceredigio 1 month ago
@ceredigio Someone sent me the STS-5 ABC footage on DVD. If it isn't on You Tube, I will tell you that he does say at T-minues 12 or 11 seconds or so " World, get ready for a celebration on Veteran's Day" Then at the moment of lift-off, "There she goes! And what a sight today!!" When the soundwaves really start hammering them at about +20 seconds, Cernan says to Frank Reynolds, " Feel that, Frank!" Then around +90 seconds " We just may be able to see this one forever!" (great visibility)
RJY4356 1 month ago
@RJY4356 Another really clear launch was Skylab 4 in November 1973, the footage of that with Cronkite and Schirra anchoring is on Youtube.
ceredigio 1 month ago
Best video I've ever seen of STS-2, with decent sound too, at least briefly. The mission highlights version has no sound and cuts out halfway through. Only thing that would make this better is if they had opened another outdoor mic after the initial liftoff. And would be nice to see it a little more before launch than 25 seconds but that's just imho.
RJY4356 2 years ago
Would be nice if NASA would have live sound with their replays from, say, the press site. In these days of HD and high-quality audio they ought to have a much better broadcast experience. HD Net does a decent job.
3210andLiftoff 2 years ago
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@3210andLiftoff Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
ceredigio 1 month ago
@3210andLiftoff The feed of this launch which Mark Gray has just released on DVD is MUCH better, with extensive countdown and the complete liftoff and ascent sequence through SRB and ET Sep, though it has no 'outside sound' but the individual TV angles which follow the feed do.
ceredigio 1 month ago
@RJY4356 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
ceredigio 1 month ago
@ceredigio No, I hven't seen anything by Spacecraft Films for about 3 years now. I got annoyed with some of the selectiveness of their productions- what they would omit. Thanks for the tip, I will look that up online and check that out.
RJY4356 1 month ago
@RJY4356 Yeah Spacecraft Films' DVDs are very good, but I find myself disappointed when they omit things as well - eg the KSC TV feed of the Apollo 11 launch but none for other Saturn-launched missions (although I find it fun switching between launch angles and then watching them all on one screen at once! I wish they could have done that for STS-2)
ceredigio 1 month ago
@ceredigio I also recommend looking up the live broadcast ABC footage on here. They show great stuff, better sound, and live replays - of all the early shuttle launches; 1981-1983.
RJY4356 1 month ago
@RJY4356 On the aforementioned Shuttle set on the NASA TV feeds of some of the launches, the JSC PAO to fill time replays the liftoff feed without the live audio feed as well as individual TV angles while commentating on the current mission progress.
ceredigio 1 month ago
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@RJY4356 Do you have the Spacecraft Films STS-1 to 41B DVD set? That has a very extensive countdown and COMPLETE launch feed of STS-2 from NASA TV, as well as a good selection of TV pad cameras including a GREAT view of launch from the white room!
ceredigio 1 month ago
@RJY4356 The mission highlights version I've seen DID have audio but as you say clipped half of the ascent just after Engle reported the false master alarm and then cut to just before SRB Sep :-( The feed which Mark Gray has just released on DVD is MUCH better, with extensive countdown and the complete liftoff and ascent sequence through SRB and ET Sep, though like the mission highlights version it has no 'outside sound' but the individual TV angles which follow the feed do.
ceredigio 1 month ago